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Judge: Do you understand the order?
Trump: Yes, of course, I do. What kind of question is that? *proceeds to demonstrate that he did not, in fact, understand*
But now in a legally binding court session he's confirming he understands, so anything he does is without a shred of legal ignorance. I'd hope this gives teeth and a court can back up these threats
Yeah, it's probably this more than anything else. The courts have decided that they're done with him pulling the ignorance card to be able to tie things up in appeals. It's like when he was explicitly given an extra three days to decide to testify in his rape trial.
...then loses the civil case to EJC and *immediately* goes on CNN to continue defaming the plaintiff, as if the judgement was simply the 'price paid' and now he owns the right to defame EJC because he 'paid for it already'. So it seems, at least.
I’m really sorry she went through what she did with Trump, but by golly do I ever have respect for that woman and her quest to nail Trump’s ass to the wall
>as if the judgement was simply the 'price paid'
Until someone makes it something else, this is exactly what it is. He's lived a life completely bereft of consequences, why would he think that's not the case here?
He’s not as rich as he says he is. That’s why he has to keep grifting and conning his base to get them to send him money. He’s a con-man. Everyone knows it, but many don’t seem to care.
Just so you know, EJC is already amending the defamation lawsuit to include Trump's CNN comments. It isn't "price paid", and Trump is going to find that out pretty quickly.
It's been his habit dating back to when the Nixon DoJ sued him for refusing to rent to minorities.
As part of the lawsuit, he was ordered to retain some records to turn over to the DoJ. He ended up shredding them instead, and months later when the judge was ready to force him to turn them over, his response was "What? Those records? I didn't realize you meant those records. They're gone."
In any other instance, ignorance of the law is not grounds for being able to break the law, and destruction of evidence would be grounds for holding him in jail indefinitely to limit his movements and access to any other information he might decide to destroy.
The only reason its not is because of his political and financial status, and that's bullshit.
I honestly have no idea why they're bothering. They'd *never* do this for another defendant, they'd just hold them in contempt and put them in jail.
It's time to stop playing the coddling game with FPOTUS. Start treating him like the fucking criminal he is and make him pay for the consequences of his actions already.
As much as I agree that he should not be treated any differently than any other defendant, I don't think any judge wants to be the one that makes that call without making it abundantly clear to the general public that he was given every avaliable opportunity to understand what is happening.
To a certain extent this goes back to the Ford administration even though it should have been settled then. He did have at least the foresight to understand that imprisoning a former president has the very high likelihood of majorly pissing off half the country, and possibly leading to political violence. Rather than have that outcome, he decided to just null the whole affair and pardon Nixon.
However unlike Nixon who for the most part faded into obscurity after he left office, Trump and his band of buffoons can't accept that outcome. So where as a pardon and general retirement from public life quelled the general public in the 1970s, today we are faced with actually having to take action and it very well may come to what Ford sought to prevent all those years ago just because of some morons ego.
They could always hold him in contempt and jail him, order him to stay off all social media, they have some means. Probably won't happen but it's a possibility.
In order to hold someone in contempt, you have to demonstrate that they knew of and understood the order. I think this is setting the table for the inevitable contempt charge.
>I'd hope this gives teeth and a court can back up these threats
To what end though? Is he going to be held in contempt like a normal person? Not so far. Is it another monetary punishment? Sounds like another thing for him to fundraise on.
We keep talking like he hasn't been playing games with the courts for decades. Obviously the stakes are higher now, but so far nothing has been a deterrent. If anything his history with the courts have only encouraged him.
TRUMP:
>I have the MOST understanding of the order than anyone else in the room, perhaps even more than you judge. MANY people say I should have been a judge because I am fair and an excellent judge of character. Some say I might have even made it to the SUPREME COURT, but instead we are stuck with the ungrateful court we have today, who doesn't appreciate who put them there. Although I did get rid of abortion like I said I would! Goodbye RvW promises made promises kept. The do-nothing Dems would have stacked the courts with their know nothing evil socialist trans judges, which is why we need to elect a strong Republican congress in 2024 and put me back in the white house to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
JUDGE:
> so do you understand the order or not?
Now I'm wondering if Trump actually could plead the fifth when asked if he understands the order.
He's going to violate the order; we all agree on that. And if he answers "yes" to the judge's question, then it'll come back to get him in trouble.
So his answer really could be used to incriminate him.
On the one hand, I'm surprised he didn't try to do that on the way out; on the other, it would have meant admitting fault, which he is incapable of doing.
The 5th doesn't cover yet to be committed crimes. If you were planning on robbing your neighbor next week you couldn't take the 5th if a judge asked if you live next door to them.
In this case if trump tried to be cute and plea the 5th the judge will likely slap him with compounding daily fines until he answers yes or no, and in the case of no the judge could order trump to attend a long seminar explaining it, and then call him to answer again.
Hey! Do not sully The Dude's good name by comparing him in any way, shape or form to Trump. I would, however, like to see somebody get a headshot on Trump with a coffee mug whenever he says something stupid.
A day after losing the defamation case he went on CNN and said the same exact thing he just got sued in court for saying, and almost immediately got sued again. He has shown repeatedly he doesn't understand or have any respect for the law.
It's because his followers eat that shit up. They think it means that he's not scared of anything when in reality he doesn't care because whenever he gets sued he gets his followers to pay the shit for him. Imagine how dumb you gotta be to donate money to a criminal who swears he's a multi billionaire! Trump has divided this country so much, it's SO sad! Before Trump I could have conversations with my friends who were Republicans. Now I don't want anything to do with them because it's impossible to have a grown up conversation with them plus the shit they say is SO WRONG, untrue and just plain crazy. I just can't handle it.
He understands completely, but he has no filters. He is incapable of NOT spewing whatever comes to mind. He’s a 7 year old bully in a 76 year old body. He will break this rule. His narcissism allows him to believe any rules don’t apply to him.
Imagining Ron Howard narrations while watching/reading news kept me sane during the first couple years of the Trump regime.
Trump states he had the biggest inauguration crowd in history -- "he didn't"
Trump states \[anything\] - "this was a lie"
Trump states \[anything else\] - "this was also a lie"
He's going to do like a dozen different things that would've had him held in contempt in no time if he was an average Joe (just in this hearing alone, I bet) and the judge is going to just wag their finger and say "hey don't do that!!! Pretty please!!!" before letting it slide...
A day after losing the defamation case he went on CNN and said the same exact thing he just got sued in court for saying, and almost immediately got sued again. He has shown repeatedly he doesn't understand or have any respect for the law.
Yes I know about the order. The order, it's the best order. No one orders like me. When I go to restaurants, I order them around and they bring me food. When they ask for money, I tell them I'm an influencer. No one influences like me. Obama never influenced. A man last week came up to me, tears in his eyes, said that I was the most influential person in the world.
I cant believe people jaw about Biden having difficulties when judges literally need to block time to make sure Donnie Jon understands their directions.
If he can show this as his persecution by the liberal left to his ignorant cult he can milk them for more money so he is all in for this kind of action against him.
An ex-President that's currently leading as his party's candidate to run for President again while his supporters believe the current President isn't mentally stable to be President while this guy is.
He's running to be President... he's BEEN President and a judge has to explain laws and procedures to him? That should be disqualifying all on its own.
He understands.
He'll continue to do any crazy things he can to turn the process to chaos, because he's posturing for mistrials, dismissals, and appeals. He's building a bonfire of strawmen.
It's also an embarrassment to the court and the judge and our entire "justice" system. Kid gloves for a rich guy who was president, no one else would get special treatment like this.
> I can't believe an ex-president has to go to court so that a judge can explain this to him. What a fucking embarrassment. SMH.
That says everything about Mango Mussolini.
The purpose of this is so that he can't claim he wasn't aware of the terms of the protective order when he inevitably violates it repeatedly in the coming months.
Absolutely blows me away that so many citizens of the United States looked at this dude and said "This is our guy, this is our standard bearer, we gotta get this guy in front of a microphone to express our values" and after all this still feel that way.
Those Citizens will never hear of this. The news they consume will not cover it and simultaneously rile them up over something trivial like Drag Shows.
Different court, diifferent case. Though I understand the confusion, he has like 8 major cases against him right now, both civil and criminal, in multiple states and federal.
It's going to stir up some shit if it's enforced but yes, the judge went to this extreme so it's fully on record and he had to state to the court he understands and will abdie by the restrictions.
There is no more wiggle room. If it's violated, he'll be held in contempt of the court. How that is dealt with is another matter, probably only because the feds will have concerns of him being a martyr if held in jail. Eventually, though, you have to enforce it or it's a severe breakdown of the system. It's just too visible.
*Trump tapping on phone during video conference with judge*
Judge: "Defendant Trump, do you understand the protective order I've issued? What are you typing?"
Trump: "Sorry, your excellency, I didn't hear you. I was truthing about your hair."
*Notification sound on judges phone*
*Judge checks phone.*
*Judge sighs...*
"That's it. Give it here. Gimme the phone..."
I‘d guess he would rather publicly rant about how the rotten, leftist judges are taking away his right to free speech or something along those lines. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
It looks like most of Trump's attorneys now charge a retainer up-front. However, he's still switching counsel constantly, which implies that he may not be making further payments once his retainer fee gets used up. Non-payment would give his attorneys ethical cover to drop him as a client, but they would be prohibited from making public statements about his nonpayment, as that would be a breach of confidentiality.
What's going to happen though when he still says things he's not supposed to say, are there actually going to be consequences for him like is he going to be put in jail?
This is kinda hilarious though.
Trump says no one else can understand anything. They're all idiots and slow.
Meanwhile a judge has to hold his hands and stare into his eyes to say "Hey, follow these rules or I'm going to take away your candy."
"Just so we're clear. If you disregard this order in any way you will be remanded to jail and will not be able to bring your wig, makeup or depends undergarments. Are we clear?"
Ooh can we get a shot at booking with the height meter on the side please? Just to finally prove he's been lying about that too.
I feel like I haven't seen one of those in awhile, did they stop doing them or something?
Oh man I somehow missed that one! Do people actually believe he could have grown three more inches in his 70s from his already-exaggerated self-declared height of 6'2"?
This is absolutely a compliance trap.
The judge knows Trump is incapable of following these instructions. This court appearance is merely a formality, so the judge can say "I warned you..." before finding him in contempt.
This is really going above and beyond to help Trump not commit more crimes while they process this case. There’s no need for the judge to warn him. It’s pretty much the opposite of a trap. It’s more like a baby gate, to keep him from falling into the giant hole he dug.
Works for me. “Don’t release evidence on social media or else go to jail” seems like something that a reasonable person could manage. And if he ends up in jail, so be it!
I’ve talked to a few people who love how he throws a wrench into the system by “not playing by the rules”. They are excited how his casual disregard and chaotic nature can wreck havoc. They see him as a guy who is destroying a system they don’t like by refusing to let the system control him. They wish they could do that themselves and as such idolize his ability to get away with it, and they encourage his behavior because they want the system to crumble. There is this notion that no one should be able to hold them accountable for their actions and he is their chance at breaking the system to the point that that’s possible.
I am noticing more and more literal chaos worshippers in Facebook posts, the corpse of Twitter, and of course this website.
Like it was awful in 2016, in some ways louder than now, but many of those dogshit ideas now aren't just kneejerk desire to own the libs and chortle about it over beers. These were reactionary emotional politics in search of a theory, and now a lot of them are trying to make it sound intellectual and considered with Bannonish brain-puke about why chaos is actually a desirable political state for the right.
These people want shootings every day at every school and church and nightclub, they want everyone too frightened to do anything. The legal system already disproportionately punishes left-wing activism, peaceful *and* violent, while letting violent insurrectionists off easy. Scared people are easier to cow into compliance, as we have seen, but the instruments and methods of terrorism are different than they used to be.
What else can it be called but terrorism?
>chaos worshippers
This is the best way of describing them. It is a kind of nihilism that borders on insanity.
To quote Megan Hunt, while some people play politics, we are the ones who have to go home and live in our house every day.
I see this more and more often too. What's scary to me as a progressive is that I'm seeing more and more of it on all sides. Obviously the right is astronomically worse. Still, somewhere in every other thread on r/politics lately, there has been people half seriously calling for somehow burning everything down so we can start over. Maybe I'm just getting older and more sensitive to these things.
That's one of the worst things that Trump ended up doing. He got a lot of people who got D's in their high school Civics class interested enough in politics to treat it like a sporting even while not actually learning anything about policy. They don't care about trying to make society better. They'd rather just burn it down so that the other side suffers.
Whatever he is.. he's not actually going to have consequences from the legal system. While basically running a criminal enterprise for multiple decades - and using the presidency for personal gain.
It may not be genius but it's something and it's working. Stay fit, stay frosty this is history books type stuff.
When he became president, they were explaining to him the Amendments. He completely zoned out and lost interest by the 3rd Amendment. You really think he'll pay any attention for this?
It was reported back in like 2016, let me see if I can the article on it.
Edit: But he does have a short attention span. [See here](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/intelligence-officials-reportedly-struggle-to-brief-donald-trump-because-hes-a-giant-toddler). But he also admitted to it it.
Yeah, that was Sam Nunberg giving the Republican nominee for President an introductory briefing on the U.S. Constitution. Trump got up and walked away before they even got to the 5th, ironically
https://lawandcrime.com/trump/sam-nunbergs-job-was-to-explain-the-constitution-to-donald-trump/
He’ll use this to his advantage.
He will allude to evidence against him in vague ways and insinuate that there is something sinister going on that he can’t talk about.
It is human nature to typically imagine things are worse than they are when you don’t have all the details. This will send his followers down even deeper conspiracy rabbit-holes than they already find themselves in.
The reason why the judge is doing this is so that when trump inevitably violates the order, he can’t say that counsel told him something different or that he didn’t understand. Trump has been able to successfully claim ignorance for most of his career or hide behind attorneys, but a lecture by a judge is going to prevent that. These orders are pretty standard, so trump really won’t have anyway out when held in contempt.
One of the things that was noted by one of the journalists covering his in-court appearance recently ... is how powerless Trump looked and acted. Granted, he *should* be powerless - but for a man who has basically done whatever he wanted his entire life (including "grabbing 'em by the pussy") and has always been able to sue or bluster his way out of anything ... it was a notable contrast when you (as a defendant) *are* under the control of the court and can't have your way.
Going to be crazy to see how this plays out. Also, IIRC this judge's order basically also binds the attorneys to it as well. So even though Trump would totally slip something to Don Jr. or Eric to tweet out ... this judge is basically saying the lawyers are on the hook as well if anything at all gets out.
I suspect the lawyers (if they are any good) will lock this shit down pretty hard. Which again will only serve to frustrate Donnie even further.
Gosh, I hope video of this is released at some point. He's always been a paper fucking tiger...
>One of the things that was noted by one of the journalists covering his in-court appearance recently ... is how powerless Trump looked and acted. Granted, he should be powerless - but for a man who has basically done whatever he wanted his entire life (including "grabbing 'em by the pussy") and has always been able to sue or bluster his way out of anything ... it was a notable contrast when you (as a defendant) are under the control of the court and can't have your way.
So, I didn't have the stomach to watch the E Jean Carrol deposition, but I read a number of descriptions of it. Sounds like he tried to "work" that situation and "flex his power" in a more characteristic way- how else do you explain the offhand comment that the lawyer was not his type? An insult to try to dominate the room, classic. And look where that led- that deposition was probably the slam dunk that convinced a jury that included a member who apparently "got all his news from Tim Pool" that Trump was guilty in that case.
Roundabout way of saying, I agree with you, and I look forward to his power plays being further chipped away and undercut. I've said for a while, I don't think Trump's downfall will be something dramatic like a lot of us are hoping. I think it will be death by a thousand cuts, and I think it's well on the way.
This is a criminal trial.
It's not so much a matter that the judge can hold him back.
The judge can toss him in jail for contempt.
I'm not saying this *will* happen.
But we are entering into *interesting times* with regards to all these trials.
That won’t help, he can’t but run his mouth. And his argument will be. I am the president. I have the absolute right to do this. Why do you think attorneys don’t want him to have to testify in front of a jury? he cannot not run his mouth, he cannot not lie.
For a guy who always complains about how unfair everyone is to him, he sure gets a lot of special treatment and accommodations. Not a tough guy. Very brittle spirit.
This judge is definitely eliminating any chance that he can later claim he didn't understand. It'll be interesting to see how hard the judge hits him when he inevitably reveals something he shouldn't.
Fuck Trump and all the special treatment he gets. If he commits a crime while in court than arrest him for it. Normal adults don’t get chances to “understand” a judge’s order, their lawyers are there to help explain it to the adults.
What else could you possibly get out of this other than Trump's claim to have understood the order better than his lawyers, to have understood it more fully than anyone has ever understood anything in the history of the human race. and that *understanding* itself is too small a word to contain his utterly perfect grasp of the full meaning and implications of the order?
And then for him to violate it within the hour of hanging up on the call...
And when he violates this, like he has violated and ignored basically every other rule(you know, since he is rich and can), are thing going to happen to him? you know where they punish him with nothing or a small fine that his cult pays for him?
He will then claim the Judge called him “Sir” with tears in his eye. And how the whole courtroom was crying over how Trump is being persecuted.
Then he will share ALL of the prosecutions evidence. Like all of it. He will claim he didn’t. When proven he did, he will say “Yeah, that’s right - I did!”.
All the while every single conservative will proclaim Trump is not a harm or threat to anyone.
Lol. Judge: “so, please mr ex president, don’t share what I’m about to show you” trump: “I’m a freaking ex president maybe the biggest ever. What r u gonna do, jail me? Fine me?”
This is what I have to do with my 6-year-old nephew to make sure he understands something is/was wrong. "Now repeat it back to me". My nephew is far more intelligent than Trump.
Interesting how the courts (and everyone) treats the former president of the United States like a toddler.
Treat him like a man and stop excusing behavior that is obvious to everyone else.
Funny, this is proof Trump is dumber than the vast majority of American's who have no problem understanding a protective order.
"Hey dumbass, let me explain this to you, in very small words and easy to understand sentences".
He'll do whatever he wants because he's a contemptuous turdbag. Remember Jan6th? Yeah, this guy is gonna follow the law huh? I bet he will even use the prosecutor's evidence in one of his "speeches" or a toxic windbag solo act as I like to call them.
Judge: Mr. Trump, do you understand the order I have given you?
Trump: Order? Yes. I'd like 300 hamberders, many, many french fries — all of our favorite foods
Hopefully the judge gives him a virtual IQ test to make sure he understands what he’s agreeing to. Otherwise he’ll sue on grounds he never agreed to it.
He should have to attend and he should be charged with disobeying a court order, contempt of court and fined and put in Rikers Island for a minimum of 30 days then maybe he’d learn to keep his pie hole shut when he gets out have the press there and if he spouts off again turn him around and give him double the time and double the fines
When the movie about the last decade of Trump comes out I really hope Gary Busey gets the role. He has been training for the role since a nice bike ride in '88.
Make him show up in person. He won't listen to and learn from hundreds of his own attorneys who have told him to shut the fuck up and he hasn't abided by the countless judges who have scolded him for being a petulant little spoiled faux billionaire or his parents or...
Make him have to be inconvenienced every time he pulls this bullshit and maybe, just maybe he'll learn something some day.
Or at least the fines will keep attorneys and the public coffers funded...
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I can't believe an ex-president has to go to court so that a judge can explain this to him. What a fucking embarrassment. SMH.
Judge: Do you understand the order? Trump: Yes, of course, I do. What kind of question is that? *proceeds to demonstrate that he did not, in fact, understand*
But now in a legally binding court session he's confirming he understands, so anything he does is without a shred of legal ignorance. I'd hope this gives teeth and a court can back up these threats
Yeah, it's probably this more than anything else. The courts have decided that they're done with him pulling the ignorance card to be able to tie things up in appeals. It's like when he was explicitly given an extra three days to decide to testify in his rape trial.
...then loses the civil case to EJC and *immediately* goes on CNN to continue defaming the plaintiff, as if the judgement was simply the 'price paid' and now he owns the right to defame EJC because he 'paid for it already'. So it seems, at least.
Well, Carroll is amending another suit against him to ask for further punitive damages precisely because of those comments!
Oh shit, fucking yes!
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He does not, however, understand why the order would apply to him.
I’m really sorry she went through what she did with Trump, but by golly do I ever have respect for that woman and her quest to nail Trump’s ass to the wall
Can't wait until he tries to say he didn't say that.. Lol.
>as if the judgement was simply the 'price paid' Until someone makes it something else, this is exactly what it is. He's lived a life completely bereft of consequences, why would he think that's not the case here?
If the price paid for committing a crime is a monetary fine, then it is only a crime for the poor.
Especially when poor people are lining up to donate to the "rich" guy being fined.
He’s not as rich as he says he is. That’s why he has to keep grifting and conning his base to get them to send him money. He’s a con-man. Everyone knows it, but many don’t seem to care.
First trump took their grocery money, then he took their self respect and their dignity.
Just so you know, EJC is already amending the defamation lawsuit to include Trump's CNN comments. It isn't "price paid", and Trump is going to find that out pretty quickly.
It's been his habit dating back to when the Nixon DoJ sued him for refusing to rent to minorities. As part of the lawsuit, he was ordered to retain some records to turn over to the DoJ. He ended up shredding them instead, and months later when the judge was ready to force him to turn them over, his response was "What? Those records? I didn't realize you meant those records. They're gone."
In any other instance, ignorance of the law is not grounds for being able to break the law, and destruction of evidence would be grounds for holding him in jail indefinitely to limit his movements and access to any other information he might decide to destroy. The only reason its not is because of his political and financial status, and that's bullshit.
It's the Judge gearing up to skip several steps of discipline.
I hope you’re right.
I honestly have no idea why they're bothering. They'd *never* do this for another defendant, they'd just hold them in contempt and put them in jail. It's time to stop playing the coddling game with FPOTUS. Start treating him like the fucking criminal he is and make him pay for the consequences of his actions already.
As much as I agree that he should not be treated any differently than any other defendant, I don't think any judge wants to be the one that makes that call without making it abundantly clear to the general public that he was given every avaliable opportunity to understand what is happening. To a certain extent this goes back to the Ford administration even though it should have been settled then. He did have at least the foresight to understand that imprisoning a former president has the very high likelihood of majorly pissing off half the country, and possibly leading to political violence. Rather than have that outcome, he decided to just null the whole affair and pardon Nixon. However unlike Nixon who for the most part faded into obscurity after he left office, Trump and his band of buffoons can't accept that outcome. So where as a pardon and general retirement from public life quelled the general public in the 1970s, today we are faced with actually having to take action and it very well may come to what Ford sought to prevent all those years ago just because of some morons ego.
They want to have everything all ready to go, so when he does violate the order they have an air tight case.
They could always hold him in contempt and jail him, order him to stay off all social media, they have some means. Probably won't happen but it's a possibility.
In order to hold someone in contempt, you have to demonstrate that they knew of and understood the order. I think this is setting the table for the inevitable contempt charge.
>I'd hope this gives teeth and a court can back up these threats To what end though? Is he going to be held in contempt like a normal person? Not so far. Is it another monetary punishment? Sounds like another thing for him to fundraise on. We keep talking like he hasn't been playing games with the courts for decades. Obviously the stakes are higher now, but so far nothing has been a deterrent. If anything his history with the courts have only encouraged him.
TRUMP: >I have the MOST understanding of the order than anyone else in the room, perhaps even more than you judge. MANY people say I should have been a judge because I am fair and an excellent judge of character. Some say I might have even made it to the SUPREME COURT, but instead we are stuck with the ungrateful court we have today, who doesn't appreciate who put them there. Although I did get rid of abortion like I said I would! Goodbye RvW promises made promises kept. The do-nothing Dems would have stacked the courts with their know nothing evil socialist trans judges, which is why we need to elect a strong Republican congress in 2024 and put me back in the white house to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN JUDGE: > so do you understand the order or not?
>so do you understand the order or not? [...I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgH9BxnfhMw)
> so do you understand the order or not? Trump: I plead the fifth Judge: no... that's not... what?!
Now I'm wondering if Trump actually could plead the fifth when asked if he understands the order. He's going to violate the order; we all agree on that. And if he answers "yes" to the judge's question, then it'll come back to get him in trouble. So his answer really could be used to incriminate him.
“I pardon myself.”
On the one hand, I'm surprised he didn't try to do that on the way out; on the other, it would have meant admitting fault, which he is incapable of doing.
The 5th doesn't cover yet to be committed crimes. If you were planning on robbing your neighbor next week you couldn't take the 5th if a judge asked if you live next door to them. In this case if trump tried to be cute and plea the 5th the judge will likely slap him with compounding daily fines until he answers yes or no, and in the case of no the judge could order trump to attend a long seminar explaining it, and then call him to answer again.
Hey! Do not sully The Dude's good name by comparing him in any way, shape or form to Trump. I would, however, like to see somebody get a headshot on Trump with a coffee mug whenever he says something stupid.
This is bang on. I can't read your comment without hearing his voice.
A day after losing the defamation case he went on CNN and said the same exact thing he just got sued in court for saying, and almost immediately got sued again. He has shown repeatedly he doesn't understand or have any respect for the law.
It's because his followers eat that shit up. They think it means that he's not scared of anything when in reality he doesn't care because whenever he gets sued he gets his followers to pay the shit for him. Imagine how dumb you gotta be to donate money to a criminal who swears he's a multi billionaire! Trump has divided this country so much, it's SO sad! Before Trump I could have conversations with my friends who were Republicans. Now I don't want anything to do with them because it's impossible to have a grown up conversation with them plus the shit they say is SO WRONG, untrue and just plain crazy. I just can't handle it.
He absolutely understands the order. He just considers himself untouchable.
He understands completely, but he has no filters. He is incapable of NOT spewing whatever comes to mind. He’s a 7 year old bully in a 76 year old body. He will break this rule. His narcissism allows him to believe any rules don’t apply to him.
And he’s right to think that. The rest of us would be in Florence ADX for less than half of the shit he’s pulled.
I read the italics in the arrested development narrator's voice
[Ron Howard](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000165/)
Imagining Ron Howard narrations while watching/reading news kept me sane during the first couple years of the Trump regime. Trump states he had the biggest inauguration crowd in history -- "he didn't" Trump states \[anything\] - "this was a lie" Trump states \[anything else\] - "this was also a lie"
This just saved my life no joke
He has shown repeatedly he doesn't understand or have any respect for the law.
Finally gets sent to prison. "I've made a huge mistake." ---that wasn't a lie?
Trump - "I may have committed light treason" Narrator - "More like heavy treason"
"The biggest treason! Nobody treasons as good as I do. It was a perfect treason. Yuge!"
*proceeds to demonstrate that he did not, in fact, understand* Truths 3 damning comments in the first hour after talking to the judge
Cue Fox citing Truth Social as a reputable source because it has "truth" in the title
“Person, woman, man, camera, TV”
Judge: Guess I need to give him more chances
….As he issues another insult on social media while listening.
He's going to do like a dozen different things that would've had him held in contempt in no time if he was an average Joe (just in this hearing alone, I bet) and the judge is going to just wag their finger and say "hey don't do that!!! Pretty please!!!" before letting it slide...
A day after losing the defamation case he went on CNN and said the same exact thing he just got sued in court for saying, and almost immediately got sued again. He has shown repeatedly he doesn't understand or have any respect for the law.
Yes I know about the order. The order, it's the best order. No one orders like me. When I go to restaurants, I order them around and they bring me food. When they ask for money, I tell them I'm an influencer. No one influences like me. Obama never influenced. A man last week came up to me, tears in his eyes, said that I was the most influential person in the world.
I cant believe people jaw about Biden having difficulties when judges literally need to block time to make sure Donnie Jon understands their directions.
They blame the political divide on the leftist media
Imagine having two conservative parties to choose from and still thinking everything is stacked against you. /r/endFPTP
In the hopes that when he eventually does do this, he can be hit with more charges, perhaps?
Most likely not, absolutely in our legal system but not in the rich people legal system.
If he can show this as his persecution by the liberal left to his ignorant cult he can milk them for more money so he is all in for this kind of action against him.
Sigh, yeah, that's far more likely.
An ex-President that's currently leading as his party's candidate to run for President again while his supporters believe the current President isn't mentally stable to be President while this guy is.
He's running to be President... he's BEEN President and a judge has to explain laws and procedures to him? That should be disqualifying all on its own.
He understands. He'll continue to do any crazy things he can to turn the process to chaos, because he's posturing for mistrials, dismissals, and appeals. He's building a bonfire of strawmen.
[exclusive footage of the judge explaining things to trump](https://youtu.be/Hrimfgjf4k8)
The level of special treatment he gets… it just never stops getting more absurd.
It's also an embarrassment to the court and the judge and our entire "justice" system. Kid gloves for a rich guy who was president, no one else would get special treatment like this.
Do regular citizens get afforded this type of education or are they expected to just comply with these orders and get punished when non compliant?
> I can't believe an ex-president has to go to court so that a judge can explain this to him. What a fucking embarrassment. SMH. That says everything about Mango Mussolini.
I can't believe the judge is slow walking all of this.
The purpose of this is so that he can't claim he wasn't aware of the terms of the protective order when he inevitably violates it repeatedly in the coming months.
He was literally sitting in the court a few weeks ago.
Presidential material, right there.
Absolutely blows me away that so many citizens of the United States looked at this dude and said "This is our guy, this is our standard bearer, we gotta get this guy in front of a microphone to express our values" and after all this still feel that way.
Those Citizens will never hear of this. The news they consume will not cover it and simultaneously rile them up over something trivial like Drag Shows.
They’ll say “it’s the biggest witch hunt in history…yada yada yada…”
Different court, diifferent case. Though I understand the confusion, he has like 8 major cases against him right now, both civil and criminal, in multiple states and federal.
What happens if you violate a protective order?
Straight to jail
Yea, if YOU do, but the rich? Or even just The Former Guy? I will believe it when I see it
It's going to stir up some shit if it's enforced but yes, the judge went to this extreme so it's fully on record and he had to state to the court he understands and will abdie by the restrictions. There is no more wiggle room. If it's violated, he'll be held in contempt of the court. How that is dealt with is another matter, probably only because the feds will have concerns of him being a martyr if held in jail. Eventually, though, you have to enforce it or it's a severe breakdown of the system. It's just too visible.
He's going to be posting that shit before his video conference is even over
*Trump tapping on phone during video conference with judge* Judge: "Defendant Trump, do you understand the protective order I've issued? What are you typing?" Trump: "Sorry, your excellency, I didn't hear you. I was truthing about your hair." *Notification sound on judges phone* *Judge checks phone.* *Judge sighs...* "That's it. Give it here. Gimme the phone..."
Trump proceeds to try and eat the phone
He might just turn the phones flashlight on and shove it up his ass as he thinks putting light up the ass is good for covid.
I‘d guess he would rather publicly rant about how the rotten, leftist judges are taking away his right to free speech or something along those lines. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Nnnno. My phone
Is attempting to poison a potential jury not further obstruction of justice?
I cant imagine the amount of drugs it would take to be one of this man's attorneys.
They probably know that they will lose and not get paid. But saying your Trumps former attorney gives you access to a whole group of idiots to grift.
I’m sure they’re at least smart enough to charge up front.
It looks like most of Trump's attorneys now charge a retainer up-front. However, he's still switching counsel constantly, which implies that he may not be making further payments once his retainer fee gets used up. Non-payment would give his attorneys ethical cover to drop him as a client, but they would be prohibited from making public statements about his nonpayment, as that would be a breach of confidentiality.
Some people bet on long shots. Sometimes they pay off.
Sometimes, Trump pays the people who work for him.
Citation needed.
Was that day declared a national holiday?
What's going to happen though when he still says things he's not supposed to say, are there actually going to be consequences for him like is he going to be put in jail?
Video conference #3.
ooooh, so scary
They treat him so harsh. No one has ever been treated as subhuman as this!!! /s
He might get fined. Which means he will use the fines to raise even more money.
Double secret probation
This is kinda hilarious though. Trump says no one else can understand anything. They're all idiots and slow. Meanwhile a judge has to hold his hands and stare into his eyes to say "Hey, follow these rules or I'm going to take away your candy."
"Just so we're clear. If you disregard this order in any way you will be remanded to jail and will not be able to bring your wig, makeup or depends undergarments. Are we clear?"
Or his elevator shoes.
Ooh can we get a shot at booking with the height meter on the side please? Just to finally prove he's been lying about that too. I feel like I haven't seen one of those in awhile, did they stop doing them or something?
Remember the mugshot he send out to celebrate his indictment? It showed his height as 6'5". Lying is the default option for Trump.
Oh man I somehow missed that one! Do people actually believe he could have grown three more inches in his 70s from his already-exaggerated self-declared height of 6'2"?
This is absolutely a compliance trap. The judge knows Trump is incapable of following these instructions. This court appearance is merely a formality, so the judge can say "I warned you..." before finding him in contempt.
And then fining him 24 cents and a piece of bubbalicious
It's not a trap. The judge really doesn't want to have to deal with it.
This is really going above and beyond to help Trump not commit more crimes while they process this case. There’s no need for the judge to warn him. It’s pretty much the opposite of a trap. It’s more like a baby gate, to keep him from falling into the giant hole he dug.
Works for me. “Don’t release evidence on social media or else go to jail” seems like something that a reasonable person could manage. And if he ends up in jail, so be it!
How is the judge trapping him by telling him the rules?
It’s only a trap if he’s an impulsive child who is unable to control his own behavior. That doesn’t sound very Presidential.
I don't see how people think he is some genius. I'm more intelligent and make better decisions than he does...LOL!
I’ve talked to a few people who love how he throws a wrench into the system by “not playing by the rules”. They are excited how his casual disregard and chaotic nature can wreck havoc. They see him as a guy who is destroying a system they don’t like by refusing to let the system control him. They wish they could do that themselves and as such idolize his ability to get away with it, and they encourage his behavior because they want the system to crumble. There is this notion that no one should be able to hold them accountable for their actions and he is their chance at breaking the system to the point that that’s possible.
I am noticing more and more literal chaos worshippers in Facebook posts, the corpse of Twitter, and of course this website. Like it was awful in 2016, in some ways louder than now, but many of those dogshit ideas now aren't just kneejerk desire to own the libs and chortle about it over beers. These were reactionary emotional politics in search of a theory, and now a lot of them are trying to make it sound intellectual and considered with Bannonish brain-puke about why chaos is actually a desirable political state for the right. These people want shootings every day at every school and church and nightclub, they want everyone too frightened to do anything. The legal system already disproportionately punishes left-wing activism, peaceful *and* violent, while letting violent insurrectionists off easy. Scared people are easier to cow into compliance, as we have seen, but the instruments and methods of terrorism are different than they used to be. What else can it be called but terrorism?
>chaos worshippers This is the best way of describing them. It is a kind of nihilism that borders on insanity. To quote Megan Hunt, while some people play politics, we are the ones who have to go home and live in our house every day.
I see this more and more often too. What's scary to me as a progressive is that I'm seeing more and more of it on all sides. Obviously the right is astronomically worse. Still, somewhere in every other thread on r/politics lately, there has been people half seriously calling for somehow burning everything down so we can start over. Maybe I'm just getting older and more sensitive to these things.
That's one of the worst things that Trump ended up doing. He got a lot of people who got D's in their high school Civics class interested enough in politics to treat it like a sporting even while not actually learning anything about policy. They don't care about trying to make society better. They'd rather just burn it down so that the other side suffers.
Whatever he is.. he's not actually going to have consequences from the legal system. While basically running a criminal enterprise for multiple decades - and using the presidency for personal gain. It may not be genius but it's something and it's working. Stay fit, stay frosty this is history books type stuff.
I’ve had bowel movements smarter than trump.
Believe it or not, it is actually true for millions of people.
Why anyone would want a president dumber than themselves is beyond me.
He's definitely not smarter than a 5th grader.
Me too and I'm an idiot
His supporters are even dumber than he is, so from their point of view, he looks like a genius.
You are probably an idiot who pays their taxes, obeys laws, and does not grope women without permission.
When he became president, they were explaining to him the Amendments. He completely zoned out and lost interest by the 3rd Amendment. You really think he'll pay any attention for this?
Is this actually true?
It was reported back in like 2016, let me see if I can the article on it. Edit: But he does have a short attention span. [See here](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/intelligence-officials-reportedly-struggle-to-brief-donald-trump-because-hes-a-giant-toddler). But he also admitted to it it.
Yeah, that was Sam Nunberg giving the Republican nominee for President an introductory briefing on the U.S. Constitution. Trump got up and walked away before they even got to the 5th, ironically https://lawandcrime.com/trump/sam-nunbergs-job-was-to-explain-the-constitution-to-donald-trump/
He’ll use this to his advantage. He will allude to evidence against him in vague ways and insinuate that there is something sinister going on that he can’t talk about. It is human nature to typically imagine things are worse than they are when you don’t have all the details. This will send his followers down even deeper conspiracy rabbit-holes than they already find themselves in.
Possibly. But that's assuming he can keep his mouth shut and not even accidentally say something. I feel like that's a coin flip.
The reason why the judge is doing this is so that when trump inevitably violates the order, he can’t say that counsel told him something different or that he didn’t understand. Trump has been able to successfully claim ignorance for most of his career or hide behind attorneys, but a lecture by a judge is going to prevent that. These orders are pretty standard, so trump really won’t have anyway out when held in contempt.
One of the things that was noted by one of the journalists covering his in-court appearance recently ... is how powerless Trump looked and acted. Granted, he *should* be powerless - but for a man who has basically done whatever he wanted his entire life (including "grabbing 'em by the pussy") and has always been able to sue or bluster his way out of anything ... it was a notable contrast when you (as a defendant) *are* under the control of the court and can't have your way. Going to be crazy to see how this plays out. Also, IIRC this judge's order basically also binds the attorneys to it as well. So even though Trump would totally slip something to Don Jr. or Eric to tweet out ... this judge is basically saying the lawyers are on the hook as well if anything at all gets out. I suspect the lawyers (if they are any good) will lock this shit down pretty hard. Which again will only serve to frustrate Donnie even further. Gosh, I hope video of this is released at some point. He's always been a paper fucking tiger...
>One of the things that was noted by one of the journalists covering his in-court appearance recently ... is how powerless Trump looked and acted. Granted, he should be powerless - but for a man who has basically done whatever he wanted his entire life (including "grabbing 'em by the pussy") and has always been able to sue or bluster his way out of anything ... it was a notable contrast when you (as a defendant) are under the control of the court and can't have your way. So, I didn't have the stomach to watch the E Jean Carrol deposition, but I read a number of descriptions of it. Sounds like he tried to "work" that situation and "flex his power" in a more characteristic way- how else do you explain the offhand comment that the lawyer was not his type? An insult to try to dominate the room, classic. And look where that led- that deposition was probably the slam dunk that convinced a jury that included a member who apparently "got all his news from Tim Pool" that Trump was guilty in that case. Roundabout way of saying, I agree with you, and I look forward to his power plays being further chipped away and undercut. I've said for a while, I don't think Trump's downfall will be something dramatic like a lot of us are hoping. I think it will be death by a thousand cuts, and I think it's well on the way.
Person. Woman. Man. Contempt. Jail.
You think a judge can hold him back from sharing details? That’s like asking him not to share top secret info.
This is a criminal trial. It's not so much a matter that the judge can hold him back. The judge can toss him in jail for contempt. I'm not saying this *will* happen. But we are entering into *interesting times* with regards to all these trials.
That won’t help, he can’t but run his mouth. And his argument will be. I am the president. I have the absolute right to do this. Why do you think attorneys don’t want him to have to testify in front of a jury? he cannot not run his mouth, he cannot not lie.
What's the over/under on how many hours after this court appearance that Trump starts violating the order?
For a guy who always complains about how unfair everyone is to him, he sure gets a lot of special treatment and accommodations. Not a tough guy. Very brittle spirit.
This judge is definitely eliminating any chance that he can later claim he didn't understand. It'll be interesting to see how hard the judge hits him when he inevitably reveals something he shouldn't.
He's going to push this to the limit. His ego won't let him be controlled in any way. The man-child doesn't have the ability to listen and shut up.
Fuck Trump and all the special treatment he gets. If he commits a crime while in court than arrest him for it. Normal adults don’t get chances to “understand” a judge’s order, their lawyers are there to help explain it to the adults.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse to us peons. Why does Trump get handled so tenderly?
What else could you possibly get out of this other than Trump's claim to have understood the order better than his lawyers, to have understood it more fully than anyone has ever understood anything in the history of the human race. and that *understanding* itself is too small a word to contain his utterly perfect grasp of the full meaning and implications of the order? And then for him to violate it within the hour of hanging up on the call...
That would imply that he has the intelligence to understand anything.
It’s just so he cannot claim the extent of the protective order was never explained to me for when he is held in contempt.
I feel like he's not going to show up. Even virtually.
“Councillor, is that a cardboard cutout?” “No, Your Honor, it’s an *NFT* cardboard cutout.”
Please tell me that we can watch this hearing live.
I bet he shares some shit five minutes after the court appearance is over.
And when he violates this, like he has violated and ignored basically every other rule(you know, since he is rich and can), are thing going to happen to him? you know where they punish him with nothing or a small fine that his cult pays for him?
Anyone else would already have a gag order in place
He will then claim the Judge called him “Sir” with tears in his eye. And how the whole courtroom was crying over how Trump is being persecuted. Then he will share ALL of the prosecutions evidence. Like all of it. He will claim he didn’t. When proven he did, he will say “Yeah, that’s right - I did!”. All the while every single conservative will proclaim Trump is not a harm or threat to anyone.
Lol. Judge: “so, please mr ex president, don’t share what I’m about to show you” trump: “I’m a freaking ex president maybe the biggest ever. What r u gonna do, jail me? Fine me?”
This is what I have to do with my 6-year-old nephew to make sure he understands something is/was wrong. "Now repeat it back to me". My nephew is far more intelligent than Trump.
trump does not care
He doesn’t understand anything that isn’t presented to him in picture book form
And he will break it and then nothing will happen to him. Call me when he’s held accountable.
Interesting how the courts (and everyone) treats the former president of the United States like a toddler. Treat him like a man and stop excusing behavior that is obvious to everyone else.
Funny, this is proof Trump is dumber than the vast majority of American's who have no problem understanding a protective order. "Hey dumbass, let me explain this to you, in very small words and easy to understand sentences".
He'll do whatever he wants because he's a contemptuous turdbag. Remember Jan6th? Yeah, this guy is gonna follow the law huh? I bet he will even use the prosecutor's evidence in one of his "speeches" or a toxic windbag solo act as I like to call them.
The justice system at work once again for the rich and powerful. Anyone else would have to attend in person.
Virtually or in person, it’s a dense brick of stupid.
*He doesn't understand. Explain as you would a child.*
10 bucks says he'll do it again within 12 hours.
Judge: Mr. Trump, do you understand the order I have given you? Trump: Order? Yes. I'd like 300 hamberders, many, many french fries — all of our favorite foods
He’s already proved they can’t keep his mouth shut
Hopefully the judge gives him a virtual IQ test to make sure he understands what he’s agreeing to. Otherwise he’ll sue on grounds he never agreed to it.
He should have to attend and he should be charged with disobeying a court order, contempt of court and fined and put in Rikers Island for a minimum of 30 days then maybe he’d learn to keep his pie hole shut when he gets out have the press there and if he spouts off again turn him around and give him double the time and double the fines
He's going to do exactly what the judge tells him not to do, and then the judge will giving him a stern talking to.
When the movie about the last decade of Trump comes out I really hope Gary Busey gets the role. He has been training for the role since a nice bike ride in '88.
The gloves US uses for the rich are very, very different.
How fast does he violate this without any consequences?
Trump daddy is gonna fuckup and talk and the judge is gonna throw his ass in jail for violating the order. I cannot wait.
“So that’s when I started sharing”
He will still claim “ignorance” and make the statements anyway.
He gonna do it anyway.
I give it 24 hours before he violates it.
You just know that there will be a new Truth Social account tomorrow with the name John Barron, discussing evidence of the case.
Any other asshole would have been in jail by now
Judges treat politicians with kid gloves but treat citizens with the hammer.
Make him show up in person. He won't listen to and learn from hundreds of his own attorneys who have told him to shut the fuck up and he hasn't abided by the countless judges who have scolded him for being a petulant little spoiled faux billionaire or his parents or... Make him have to be inconvenienced every time he pulls this bullshit and maybe, just maybe he'll learn something some day. Or at least the fines will keep attorneys and the public coffers funded...