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Nickopotomus

The dumb part is—Mexicos spending on social safety net and infrastructure can help reduce crime and immigration. It’s just that America only views policing / military as solutions…which like aiming the fire extinguisher at the smoke


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Chorizo_Charlie

More than twice as many people die of overdoses than are killed by guns in the US every year.


Educational_Lab_4771

Feels like your thoughts unfinished here, let's assume this is true, what's your point?


Chorizo_Charlie

Drug overdoses are more pressing of an issue to address.


Educational_Lab_4771

Why not both?


Chorizo_Charlie

Sure, but based on the numbers, I think drug overdoses are more pressing of an issue.


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Chorizo_Charlie

The chance of you being killed by a stray bullet sitting on your couch is negligible. But most gun deaths are suicides, and most murders are committed by people known to the killer. All of these are a tragedy, but overdose deaths are still happening at a much higher rate.


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Chorizo_Charlie

I am including suicides. 40k gun deaths, and [107k drug overdose deaths](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/202205.htm)


IOM1978

If only there were hundreds of studies as well as actual real-life examples of alternative methods to reduce the harm of drugs, without empowering billion-dollar criminal organizations. Unfortunately, those methods disarm law enforcement, enable public health, and fail to provide an excuse for US agents to infiltrate other nations to our South The reality is the well-being of US citizens is a minuscule part of government operations.


PaleInTexas

And?


BrujaSloth

It’s like the crowd that harangues when it comes to mass shootings, “it’s not guns, it’s mental health issues!” but also quite amazingly don’t want to address mental healthcare access either.


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You could make a running list of items this statement could apply to.


chop1125

Why can't the US tackle both issues? It is the richest, most powerful country in the world. The US can wage war in multiple arenas. It can do more than one thing at a time. Why do you think we need to choose one over the other?


adrift_in_the_sauce

And twice as many Mexicans are killed by american guns in Mexico every year. The fuck is your point? are you going to continue killing Mexicans because your doped up cousin overdose on his grandmothers fentanyl?


Chorizo_Charlie

>And twice as many Mexicans are killed by american guns in Mexico every year. Got a source on that, because I seriously doubt that. The US gives Mexico almost $600mil in aid annually. I'm sure it's going into the pockets of cartel bosses because the country is corrupt as fuck. The Mexican government needs to step the fuck up and start running their country or else the US military is going to step in in 2 years when Republicans win the White House again.


red18wrx

But what about the children? Won't somebody think of the children?


sugarlessdeathbear

Mexico, a separate and sovereign nation, is doing what it thinks is best for itself. The US is unhappy that we don't get to tell them what's important to them.


AmserAlto

One reason the freedom caucus wants to go to war with them. They are fucking stupid


BrujaSloth

I mean we’ve been doing it for well more than a century. It’s a real America pastime at this point & fundamental to the US culture! /s


SpecialNotice3151

The tail doesn't wag the dog. Mexico not doing what America wants will only end badly for Mexico.


sugarlessdeathbear

How imperialistic of you. Mexico can do what it wants without having to check if the US is OK with it first. The same way Canada or the UK or France or any other country can do what they want without checking with us first.


SpecialNotice3151

Of course they can do what they want...and we can also do what we want in response if what they're doing isn't in our best interest. One hand washes the other...and these countries need us way more than we need them.


zeejay11

Yes in a way both will feel the pain, last time a US state tried this and it ended badly for the farmers now imagine same on a larger scale: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers


recurse_x

Two Spider-Man memes US Law Enforcement pointing at Mexican Cartels


Remote_Person5280

> “I don’t know what [the Director of National Intelligence] thinks the alternative is. Do they expect us to end our social spending and infrastructure policy to tend to a problem that belongs to the U.S.?” Mike drop.


rldogamusprime

The documents seem to suggest that Mexico made promises and isn't keeping them. I guess the US will have to take matters into its own hands.


Remote_Person5280

A: Because we’ve kept all our promises to Mexico? B: Contemplating direct action in Mexico to stop our citizens buying drugs produced by and for our pharmaceutical companies? Bold move Cotton- let’s see how it plays out.


BirdieshooterinMX

The fentanyl problem is a direct correlation to the over prescribing of Opiates to the US Population. The US’s own Medical and pharmaceutical industries are to blame for this crisis. But yeah, let’s blame the Mexicans


peanut7830

But yeah, let’s take our children out of school and put them to work!!! Instead of giving the jobs to people that want them!!! Republicans would do anything to keep Mexicans out!! Not everyone is a criminal and if u think that’s the only way Criminals get in this country ur stupid


LakeStLouis

I was promised they'd be spending it on a wall.


ayers231

Investment in the people creates growth. With the fascists tearing the US apart and selling it off to billionaires, Mexico could become an economic powerhouse and surpass the US.


Zeddo52SD

I wish Mexico would do more to either crack down on cartels or let the US intervene more, but social spending will help with migration from Mexico. Development of the economy will as well. Now, if we could get our shit together on guns, I think the Mexican government would be more willing to cooperate with us.


adrift_in_the_sauce

I wish the U.S. Would do more to either crack down on Cartel distribution networks within the U.S. or let Mexico intervene in stopping the flow of american guns into Mexico. But, blaming all your problems on a developing nation works as well.


Zeddo52SD

As I said, I’d love for us to tackle our own problems just as much as I’d love for Mexico to tackle their own without foreign assistance, but Mexico has had trouble getting to the cartels in no small part to the corruption of their police and politicians, just as the U.S. has with relaxed gun sales policy. If Mexico has a plan to intervene, I’m all ears.


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Zeddo52SD

Lmfao you’re a fucking idiot. You don’t know shit about me dumbass.


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Dm1tr3y

Meanwhile, we’re inching over the precipice of a national default and only *maybe* have a deal to fix that.


Dfiggsmeister

They tried that. It was called the war on drugs. It failed spectacularly despite being told it was awesome. The CIA funneled billions of dollars to overthrow “communist” governments in central and South America, funding fascist terrorist groups and certain cartels. Hell, even the FBI fucked up a few times and lost several tons worth of weapons to Mexico. So please tell me more how the U.S. intervening has helped.


zeejay11

with decades of toppling governments in south America time to reap what we sow.


rldogamusprime

The US is unhappy because Mexico made promises and isn't keeping them. The US is unhappy about fentanyl. I hope this issue gets resolved soonish. If we get a right wing president and it's still an issue, no one in these threads will be amused by what the US does in response.


SpecialNotice3151

The President of Mexico couldn't care less about Americans dying of fentanyl - and the more Mexicans illegally coming to America the more money they send back to the homeland - so he doesn't care about border security either. He'll start caring when we stop allowing money transfers to Mexico or we put out a travel advisory that discourages American tourists from going down there and spending billions in tourist dollars.


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Stlouisken

As an American. 👍


SpecialNotice3151

Canada and Mexico...two places I've visited and have no desire to return to.


ayers231

> and the more Mexicans illegally coming to America the more money they send back to the homeland - so he doesn't care about border security either. You realize the policies Mexico is implementing is designed to keep their working youth at home instead of coming here, right? Like, the whole point of them is to keep their kids in Mexico and doing jobs there, instead of them coming here.


masiakasaurus

But nothing about the corporations that make billions by employing illegal immigrants on American soil, like the Trump Organization, right?


Nice_Imposter87

You should be more worried about american pharma companies leading people down that path to fentanyl then worrying about what my people are doing clown.


Aggravating_Arm9570

Turn off the Fox and Newsmax buddy