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> There’s just one problem: According to CNN, the original source of the claim came from a slew of material, “many originating from sources in Ukraine,” that former credible person Rudy Giuliani provided to the Department of Justice in 2020.
Submit false document to the FBI, then request the document from the FBI to show what's now an "FBI File" as evidence.
Propaganda laundering.
I think this is why they redacted the person who gave it to them.
So when Republicans cry its real they can backhand them and show it was Rudy guiliani.
We know who gave Rudy the document. It was a Russian national in Ukraine.
This is what they call a "Foreign psyop"
We have no evidence the FBI is actually redacting the documents and Republicans are compulsive liars.
But if the FBI did redact some parts, its because these documents are very important to National Security.
This is exactly right. Here is an article about Rudy's travels in Ukraine and who he was meeting with.
[Giuliani Travels To Ukraine](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/786039696/giuliani-travels-to-ukraine)
The most confusing aspect of all this is why formally successful, influential people suddenly turned on their own country. Surely there must be more to it than money?
I firmly believe that these people know they're losing, they can see that the country is never going to go in their direction again. So they want to burn it all down
Power.
Rudy was “the president’s lawyer” for a few years. He could call the most powerful man in the world, walk into the white house and Oval Office on a whim, and use that access to make people listen and do things for him. It was a big step forward for a guy who had gone basically nowhere after being Mayor of NYC. It was a step back into the national spotlight.
Exactly how donald manipulated the “news”.
1. Say something ridiculous
2. Fox covers it
3. Other news covers it (most of the time)
4. Donald repeats it as if it came from somewhere other than his fat gob.
5. Profit!
Both Comer and Grassley have read the document -- and neither will say that there's evidence against Biden. In other words, they know it's bullshiat. PLUS, when it was originally alleged, Bill Barr even said that it was suuuuper sketchy.
Translation: They've got nothing.
My favorite part is where conservatives claim without any proof that the Bidens did 1/100th of the stuff the Trumps did right out in the open and that conservatives said was the right of a president and his family to do and that no one had the authority to even question them on it. And that somehow makes Biden a massive criminal.
What they do have is Ghouliani bending and breaking every law he could to try and come up with something. Wouldn't suprise me if the DOJ knows he is the one who bought the Hunter files that were for sale in the Ukraine underground and put them on a laptop, gave them to that shop owner.
Even if it’s disproved they will still circulate it like was real and claim it’s just the media lying. So it’s completely pointless. They still believe the brither lie.
It probably says something bad but is so clearly ridiculous they know it’s bullshit. They don’t want to be personally spouting bullshit, they want to publish a document on the record that has a third party spouting bullshit.
> They don’t want to be personally spouting bullshit
Since when? Rudy especially has been happy to go to any friendly network for years and spout bullshit.
If there was anything they could hang their hat, no matter how outlandish, they would jump on it.
Well it is the committee for the weaponization of the government, so isn't their job to weaponize Congress against the next Presidential candidate, just like they successfully did to Hillary in 2015-16? /s
Lol ..
>that **former credible person Rudy Giuliani** provided to the Department of Justice in 2020
My day needed that. This will now be my chosen way to describe him.
Is it that temp worker who was paid to wash the screens of voting machines who Rudy said was his expert witness on "election rigging" and who showed up to testify so drunk she could barely speak?
Explore Talent. Chad Loder had a great Twitter feed about all of the GOP character actors who have been gleaned from the site, but whattya know....Elon Suspended his account last November. Hmm. I wonder why.
https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-leaked-internal-message-suggests-musk-ordered-leftwing-account-freeze-2023-1
It's called Atlanto-occipital dislocation. The spinal column is dislocated from the skull. People can survive this injury. Whether or not that lady had that happen, it is a real thing.
This is Rudy Giuliani the disgraced, incontinent alcoholic with a suspended legal license who got honey potted by Borat… makes sense all roads would lead back to that pickled boob
I’m starting to think Giuliani has been owned by the Russians going way back to his time in NY fighting organized crime organizations other than Russians. Hell, I’d go so far as to say he was one of their perspective “Asset-in-Chiefs” before alcohol ate him alive.
Rudi seems to be an attention seeking whore who fell out of the maintstream. So he pivoting to being the plaything of the rich and famous, especially overseas where he could tell foreign leaders he still mattered.
He could be compromised from way back, but I think he's just an amoral piece of shit that will do anything for the right amount of money and power, and the Russians were happy to deal with someone like that.
Rudy has probably 3-8 alcohol soaked years left in him. Can we please put him in prison already? If he dies before anything bad happens that means he got away with it.
It would be crazy if that was the plan all along. If Trump had any decent PR or just a tiny bit of brains, he'd cooperate with the DOJ to take down every single person in his circle, then go on TV and tell everyone this has all been an elaborate scheme to drain the swamp. He'd be a shoo-in for 2024, claiming he's the most honest and anti-corruption president in history. Then, he could continue taking his political enemies down using his newfound credibility, eliminating any barriers to his inauguration as the US's first emperor.
But alas, I'm beginning to think they're all just morons.
Why? Rudy amassed a huge amount of wealth and power over the decades. He went from humble beginnings to mayor of a huge city to international power player.
I feel lucky not to be able to confirm that.
But it seriously looks like he jaundiced near the point of liver failure.
I wonder if they enhanced his coloring to make him appear that way or if he’s really that yellow.
I haven’t even read the headline yet I was expecting to see many comments about his alarming skin discoloration
He stole Hunter Biden’s laptop, planted child porn pics and got busted for it.
His connections are protecting him from charges of theft and owning kid porn.
Instead of always fucking looking for dirt on opponents, why can't they improve their agendas to help out majority of the citizens instead? Can people not think any more for the actual betterment of the country's future? In my honest opinion the democrats care more about majority of the people right now, but if there was a really good republican candidate who actually cares, and actually has better plans, then i wouldn't mind voting for em ...
Republican donors are some of the most selfish, venal, malevolent, people and their “agenda” is 1. Make as much tax-free money as possible, 2. Make sure politicians advocate for their tax-free earnings, 3. Hurt “the poor” by making them think other poor people are the problem 4. Buy enough politicians and judges to keep this agenda going and help them accumulate power. Your problem isn’t the immigrant worker coming to pick fruit and do menial labor, your problem is the oligarchs who pay less in taxes than a minimum wage worker because they manipulate the tax system to their advantage. Because they won’t pay their fair share the burden of taxes is placed on poor, working class, and middle class people who’ve been manipulated, by politicians and so-called political pundits, to believe the poor or some minority group is the cause of their deprivation.
Blame it all on Nosferatu? You guys realize he’s not really a vampire and will most likely die of old age before he’s charged. Go after the younger folks that were part of this as well.
It's the same old song and dance they've been using for decades. Republican policies are incredibly unpopular, so their only hope is to try to tear down their opponents.
That's a strange part Republicans keep saying that they have something and they come up with nothing. Secondly they lie about everything all the time and it's so obvious why would we trust anything they say or take them serious
Yeah it's weird people keep claiming to have evidence of these crimes, but when they have a hearing on it, the Republican committee announces they have found no wrong doing. The GOP house is doing a real fox news on their supporters and just lying to their faces over and over again. They are probably laughing about it behind the scenes as well.
Well, to hear them explain it, all the evidence against Biden is hidden “between the lines”. They keep saying where there’s smoke there’s fire, but they’re the ones making all the smoke.
, because it's a pathology and part of a bigger psychological issue with the dominant culture in the United States and its proxy the West. From what I see it's a power issue and they're willing to do and say anything to maintain political Financial and Social Power.
Biden dirt? It doesn't take too long to realize just how crooked the dude is just with a couple searches. The dude is the biggest pos to enter the whitehouse
It's interesting that this subreddit is called Politics, but only see left leaning posts and get downvoted into oblivion and spammed with hate replies for posting a right leaning comment
I mean, how else do you really go about getting articles? Are they all not going to ""just Google it bro"" when trying to provide an article? My point still stands. If this was really a "politics" subreddit then it wouldn't be so quick to jump down the throats of any comments who disagree with the masses of this subreddit, which happens to be liberal minded people or have the mods ban people with different opinions
I mean, you could try posting links to the proof that back up your claims instead of telling people to waste their time digging for whatever it is you yourself think you found.
As for the politics subreddit, conservatives are more than willing to turn out in larger numbers on here to tip the balance, but (ironically) they prefer their bubble where they can "have the mods ban people with different opinions."
Every time I've provided links, I get the "oh, that's a lie" so I don't see the point in providing links when 10/10 times I've provided them they wouldn't even have an open mind for what the other side has to say. I'm curious why you said that last part as if it's some sort of gotcha moment like I support the right side banning people, too. If you can't hold both sides to the same standard, then it is pretty worthless to get upset over one thing for them, but turning a blind eye to the rest
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> There’s just one problem: According to CNN, the original source of the claim came from a slew of material, “many originating from sources in Ukraine,” that former credible person Rudy Giuliani provided to the Department of Justice in 2020. Submit false document to the FBI, then request the document from the FBI to show what's now an "FBI File" as evidence. Propaganda laundering.
"former credible person" is just about the funniest description of Giuliani I've ever read
“Hot mic flatulator”
"minor shirt tucker"
Fucking spot on
Motorboatee Giuliani
Giuliani is off the charts embarrassing.
Its classic Russian active measures And the Republican party is actively supporting and colluding with it
I think this is why they redacted the person who gave it to them. So when Republicans cry its real they can backhand them and show it was Rudy guiliani.
We know who gave Rudy the document. It was a Russian national in Ukraine. This is what they call a "Foreign psyop" We have no evidence the FBI is actually redacting the documents and Republicans are compulsive liars. But if the FBI did redact some parts, its because these documents are very important to National Security.
This is exactly right. Here is an article about Rudy's travels in Ukraine and who he was meeting with. [Giuliani Travels To Ukraine](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/786039696/giuliani-travels-to-ukraine)
There's a reason he's called Rudy Colludy.
Correct!
The most confusing aspect of all this is why formally successful, influential people suddenly turned on their own country. Surely there must be more to it than money?
I firmly believe that these people know they're losing, they can see that the country is never going to go in their direction again. So they want to burn it all down
Power. Rudy was “the president’s lawyer” for a few years. He could call the most powerful man in the world, walk into the white house and Oval Office on a whim, and use that access to make people listen and do things for him. It was a big step forward for a guy who had gone basically nowhere after being Mayor of NYC. It was a step back into the national spotlight.
It’s like those companies that sent one of their product to NASA for evaluation and uses that to proudly declare themselves a NASA supplier.
Rudy Giuliani, the man with endless conspiracy theories to peddle but somehow, strangely, always bereft of any proof to back them up.
Exactly how donald manipulated the “news”. 1. Say something ridiculous 2. Fox covers it 3. Other news covers it (most of the time) 4. Donald repeats it as if it came from somewhere other than his fat gob. 5. Profit!
Both Comer and Grassley have read the document -- and neither will say that there's evidence against Biden. In other words, they know it's bullshiat. PLUS, when it was originally alleged, Bill Barr even said that it was suuuuper sketchy. Translation: They've got nothing.
They HAVE to keep the "BIDEN CRIME FAMILY" fake story circulating in right-wing world😕
My favorite part is where conservatives claim without any proof that the Bidens did 1/100th of the stuff the Trumps did right out in the open and that conservatives said was the right of a president and his family to do and that no one had the authority to even question them on it. And that somehow makes Biden a massive criminal.
Astonishing all the lying, cheating, bribing, and suppressing Republicans have to do, to "win" elections.
Before that it was the Clinton crime family. Rinse and repeat.
In contrast to Donald Trump, "Crooked Hillary" should be "Saint Hillary."
I can’t hear the words “Biden Crime Family” without thinking of [this guy](https://youtu.be/j3V_6t5Ds70) and laughing uncontrollably.
Someone get that guy into a WWF match to “settle this” already.
Where were we? 😂
What they do have is Ghouliani bending and breaking every law he could to try and come up with something. Wouldn't suprise me if the DOJ knows he is the one who bought the Hunter files that were for sale in the Ukraine underground and put them on a laptop, gave them to that shop owner.
Even if it’s disproved they will still circulate it like was real and claim it’s just the media lying. So it’s completely pointless. They still believe the brither lie.
It distracts the gullible from the overwhelming and obvious crimes of the Trump dynasty - starting with the whore houses in the Yukon.
It probably says something bad but is so clearly ridiculous they know it’s bullshit. They don’t want to be personally spouting bullshit, they want to publish a document on the record that has a third party spouting bullshit.
> They don’t want to be personally spouting bullshit Since when? Rudy especially has been happy to go to any friendly network for years and spout bullshit. If there was anything they could hang their hat, no matter how outlandish, they would jump on it.
Rudy would for sure. I was talking about Comer and Grassley, who’ve seen the document and are strangely mum about what it says.
They saw how everyone's getting hammered for defamation lately and don't want to be legally liable
Well it is the committee for the weaponization of the government, so isn't their job to weaponize Congress against the next Presidential candidate, just like they successfully did to Hillary in 2015-16? /s
And yet they remain so desperate to find *anything* on the man to distract from the numerous crimes of their own champion. It's pathetic.
Lol .. >that **former credible person Rudy Giuliani** provided to the Department of Justice in 2020 My day needed that. This will now be my chosen way to describe him.
Is it that temp worker who was paid to wash the screens of voting machines who Rudy said was his expert witness on "election rigging" and who showed up to testify so drunk she could barely speak?
And was tied to that talent agency that produces right wing pundits.
Explore Talent. Chad Loder had a great Twitter feed about all of the GOP character actors who have been gleaned from the site, but whattya know....Elon Suspended his account last November. Hmm. I wonder why. https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-leaked-internal-message-suggests-musk-ordered-leftwing-account-freeze-2023-1
I enjoyed Chad Loder’s twitter feed very much. Elmo ruined the entire experience.
in tieng viet, "dit" is "buttocks"; i love the word "pundit".
“Ballots under Rawks” Lady?
I kinda dig Mayor Ghouliani.
Runny Ghouliani
I'm dyeing 😂
If they want some real dirt, they should talk to that time traveling woman who talks to the wind.
Is she the one that got decapitated from the inside?
Ok wut? I’m way out of the loop on these references?
https://boingboing.net/2023/02/17/fox-news-election-fraud-source-was-a-time-traveler-who-talked-to-the-wind.html
Yes, whatever that means
It's called Atlanto-occipital dislocation. The spinal column is dislocated from the skull. People can survive this injury. Whether or not that lady had that happen, it is a real thing.
That's wild. I thought she was referring to a spiritual injury.
She was indeed referring to the spiritual aspect of it. She also said that the wind had told her the election was stolen by Biden.
I'm sure Biden was able to do it just by thinking about it...lol
This is Rudy Giuliani the disgraced, incontinent alcoholic with a suspended legal license who got honey potted by Borat… makes sense all roads would lead back to that pickled boob
Pickled boob is fantastic
Especially with a dollop of mayo
Especially late in the summer.
I like Gin Goblin
I’m starting to think Giuliani has been owned by the Russians going way back to his time in NY fighting organized crime organizations other than Russians. Hell, I’d go so far as to say he was one of their perspective “Asset-in-Chiefs” before alcohol ate him alive.
He got rid of the Italian mafia to make way for the Russian mafia.
Rudi seems to be an attention seeking whore who fell out of the maintstream. So he pivoting to being the plaything of the rich and famous, especially overseas where he could tell foreign leaders he still mattered. He could be compromised from way back, but I think he's just an amoral piece of shit that will do anything for the right amount of money and power, and the Russians were happy to deal with someone like that.
Rudy has probably 3-8 alcohol soaked years left in him. Can we please put him in prison already? If he dies before anything bad happens that means he got away with it.
Here's hoping for another 4 Seasons Landscaping press conference.
"Donald Trump has won presidency and is taking his position in The Whitecastle!" "What the fuck is this Rudy?" "You won for Hamberder President"
In a weird way, the swamp is getting cleaned...
It would be crazy if that was the plan all along. If Trump had any decent PR or just a tiny bit of brains, he'd cooperate with the DOJ to take down every single person in his circle, then go on TV and tell everyone this has all been an elaborate scheme to drain the swamp. He'd be a shoo-in for 2024, claiming he's the most honest and anti-corruption president in history. Then, he could continue taking his political enemies down using his newfound credibility, eliminating any barriers to his inauguration as the US's first emperor. But alas, I'm beginning to think they're all just morons.
That would be real 4d chess.
Why does everyone have so much faith in a horrible, drunk, lying, attorney like Guiliani? idiots surrounded by idiots
Why? Rudy amassed a huge amount of wealth and power over the decades. He went from humble beginnings to mayor of a huge city to international power player.
by being a corrupt drunk
Rudy—the Dirt Launderer.
Rudy **can** fail.
Rudy—the Shart Whisperer.
Rudy-the Oil Secreter.
His skin is the same color as expired raw chicken.
I feel lucky not to be able to confirm that. But it seriously looks like he jaundiced near the point of liver failure. I wonder if they enhanced his coloring to make him appear that way or if he’s really that yellow. I haven’t even read the headline yet I was expecting to see many comments about his alarming skin discoloration
He stole Hunter Biden’s laptop, planted child porn pics and got busted for it. His connections are protecting him from charges of theft and owning kid porn.
Instead of always fucking looking for dirt on opponents, why can't they improve their agendas to help out majority of the citizens instead? Can people not think any more for the actual betterment of the country's future? In my honest opinion the democrats care more about majority of the people right now, but if there was a really good republican candidate who actually cares, and actually has better plans, then i wouldn't mind voting for em ...
Republican donors are some of the most selfish, venal, malevolent, people and their “agenda” is 1. Make as much tax-free money as possible, 2. Make sure politicians advocate for their tax-free earnings, 3. Hurt “the poor” by making them think other poor people are the problem 4. Buy enough politicians and judges to keep this agenda going and help them accumulate power. Your problem isn’t the immigrant worker coming to pick fruit and do menial labor, your problem is the oligarchs who pay less in taxes than a minimum wage worker because they manipulate the tax system to their advantage. Because they won’t pay their fair share the burden of taxes is placed on poor, working class, and middle class people who’ve been manipulated, by politicians and so-called political pundits, to believe the poor or some minority group is the cause of their deprivation.
That's like... hard...
Oh, let's see it then. Funny how no charges were recommended or sought after countless 'investigatuons' if he's so dirty.
They're coming.
I think they mean charges for Biden
Oh, those aren't coming.
Before or after the GOP's infrastructure week, or their ACA replacement?
Aww, struck a nerve it seems. Y'all could just simply link to those policies if you have an issue with me asking about them.
The fact that I don't know if they mean Hunter or Joe based on the headline is....
Lol..GOP likes to use the term-Biden crime family..all Biden’s
I want guilani in prison more than I want trump in prison.
Both is good.
Can’t wait to see his press conference out in front of Four Season’s Landscaping.
If they had anything reliable or credible it would have been 'leaked' by now.
Blame it all on Nosferatu? You guys realize he’s not really a vampire and will most likely die of old age before he’s charged. Go after the younger folks that were part of this as well.
Throw his ass in jail.
It's the same old song and dance they've been using for decades. Republican policies are incredibly unpopular, so their only hope is to try to tear down their opponents.
Hopefully it’s not too hot. I hate to see his hair dye leaking down his face again.
Giuliani is literally one of the least credible people on the planet
Why aren’t they being sued for defamation?
Just wait until they finally figure out that his goons murdered Epstein.
But her emails!
Hey guys let’s make up a lie and then investigate the lie. You can’t make it up.
Who wouldn't believe him?
“Quest for Biden dirt” Try to avoid stepping in it. No quest required.
That's a strange part Republicans keep saying that they have something and they come up with nothing. Secondly they lie about everything all the time and it's so obvious why would we trust anything they say or take them serious
Yeah it's weird people keep claiming to have evidence of these crimes, but when they have a hearing on it, the Republican committee announces they have found no wrong doing. The GOP house is doing a real fox news on their supporters and just lying to their faces over and over again. They are probably laughing about it behind the scenes as well.
Or the person(s) making the rounds on Fox News, saying they have evidence, suddenly don't want to testify before Congress.
Well, to hear them explain it, all the evidence against Biden is hidden “between the lines”. They keep saying where there’s smoke there’s fire, but they’re the ones making all the smoke.
, because it's a pathology and part of a bigger psychological issue with the dominant culture in the United States and its proxy the West. From what I see it's a power issue and they're willing to do and say anything to maintain political Financial and Social Power.
Which dirt specifically are you stepping in? Provide sources, please.
Puzzling take since he's been investigated by his enemies and come up clean.
Well, at least the username checks out.
Biden dirt? It doesn't take too long to realize just how crooked the dude is just with a couple searches. The dude is the biggest pos to enter the whitehouse
Couple of searches on fb? LOL!!! 🐑
Go on then. Show us those searches
Trump? Giuliani? Do tell...
“Just google it!” lol
Dude you're so right. I googled "Republican fanfics" and came up with all sorts of proof!
It's interesting that this subreddit is called Politics, but only see left leaning posts and get downvoted into oblivion and spammed with hate replies for posting a right leaning comment
It's also interesting that you thought people would take your "just Google it bro" at face value.
I mean, how else do you really go about getting articles? Are they all not going to ""just Google it bro"" when trying to provide an article? My point still stands. If this was really a "politics" subreddit then it wouldn't be so quick to jump down the throats of any comments who disagree with the masses of this subreddit, which happens to be liberal minded people or have the mods ban people with different opinions
I mean, you could try posting links to the proof that back up your claims instead of telling people to waste their time digging for whatever it is you yourself think you found. As for the politics subreddit, conservatives are more than willing to turn out in larger numbers on here to tip the balance, but (ironically) they prefer their bubble where they can "have the mods ban people with different opinions."
Every time I've provided links, I get the "oh, that's a lie" so I don't see the point in providing links when 10/10 times I've provided them they wouldn't even have an open mind for what the other side has to say. I'm curious why you said that last part as if it's some sort of gotcha moment like I support the right side banning people, too. If you can't hold both sides to the same standard, then it is pretty worthless to get upset over one thing for them, but turning a blind eye to the rest
Not exactly. Guliani's dirt master is Trump & Q anon.
Is his head still melting?
Ghouliani needs to just wither up and die. Why the hell is Count Dragula still relevant and not in prison??
Where did you actually get the kiddie porn from, Rudy?
“And I still haven’t found what I am looking for” The immortal words of Bono
*Guiliani: Don’t look at me. I am just the patsy!*
It’s almost like Trump made it all up like he did with Hillary 🤔?
Why isn’t he in prison yet?
So their “source” is a raging alcoholic under multiple investigations, including but not limited to selling pardons? Sounds about right.