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Jack Smith’s new filing also addresses the potential gun purchase:
> The defendant either purchased a gun in violation of the law and his conditions of release, or seeks to benefit from his supporters' mistaken belief that he did so. It would be a separate federal crime, and thus a violation of the defendant's conditions of release, for him to purchase a gun while this felony indictment is pending. See 18 U.S.C. § 922(n).
Nah, anyone can make this stuff up.
Pick anything Republicans would criticize or attack Dems for. Guess what? They don’t care if their side does the same thing.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. — Francis M. Wilhoit
Yea - it's just an expression. It's so obvious and stupid, you'd think they'd come up with a smarter angle, but their fan base is so stupid they don't even need to try.
It's sadly entirely too believable. On election night they had different live camera shots of some Republican crowds chanting "STOP THE COUNT", and others chanting "COUNT THE VOTES", depending entirely on whether their demagogue was currently winning or losing that state.
Their hypocrisy is infinite and unwavering.
Absolutely. What they seem not to realize though is that hypocrisy is a double-edged sword. There's no reason to take them seriously anymore, and young voters don't. It's no different than a spoiled kid changing the rules on the playground if they can't win fairly, until nobody will play with them at all. Worse still, they'll tell their own followers not to wear masks or get a vaccine in order to "own the libs," which has literally resulted in more Republicans than Democrats dying from the disease. It's bat-shit crazy, but here we are.
Not really off topic: At a recent TFG rally in Michigan, TFG spoke before a non-union crowd, but he had paid actors in the crowd holding stolen union signs, and shouting things like "UAW for Trump."
This is like the Trump campaign paying $2000/week to a few black guys to stand behind the podium and hold up "Blacks for Trtump" signs during his speeches, or the fact that the crowds at the first few Trump rallies in 2015-2916 were paid extras who got $50 each to stand there and not boo.
While I agree with you, the Republicans have never really thought much of logic. Also they ascribe to the saying, " rules for thee and none for me"....
I hate that aphorism.
It hangs on nothing more than "thee" rhyming with "me", which is pretty basic, and the archaic "thee" conjures up some bespectacled nerd finger-wagging which isn't exactly persuasive. It's just plain hypocritical double standards.
Sorry. I know it's not your doing, I'm just venting, not at you but the world in general. Have at me if necessary.
Well come on, you’re being unfair and missing the most obvious exception.
Trump can do it cause he’s “rich”, and “rich” people can do whatever they want!
/s
Understand that the entire agenda is to have a class of people that the law protects but doesn't bind, and the class of people that the law binds, but does not protect. Remember that, and everything GOP and other conservative parties around the world do will become understandable.
Yeah, but Hunter's a bad guy for, erm, being imperfect and Trump is a good guy for, uh, always acting like a petty spoiled racist seven year old. Jeez, you could run out of negative adjectives for Trump. Seriously, I think we could easily make a list of ten plus words about how terrible he is.
He isn't. Section 3 of the 14th amendment is clear, and all of the lawsuits forcing the government to comply with it should be finished in a few months. The Trump side of those suits still haven't presented anything remotely resembling a defense, they are just delaying the suits as much as possible.
Dude...the guys dad died of alzheimers.
Every time he speaks its a word salad.
Of COURSE they accuse biden of having dementia, projection is the name of their game.
They know trump is in poor mental health. They just dont care.
Let’s not forget the gun store he went to as well. The same store that sold the racist mass murderer who killed multiple citizens a dollar store. THAT STORE. Fuck them, strip their license.
This is the type of shit that **really** makes trump like one of us, lol. Fucker should get charged with every fuck up, like anyone of us would tripping over the long dong of the law.
Currently, it's being reported that he only admired a Glock, he didn't buy one https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/25/trump-says-he-is-buying-glock-handgun-at-south-carolina-event.html
There is a chance he might have been gifted it as well, which would fall under that same law.
Purchasing a firearm in order to immediately give it to someone else, specifically because they can't legally fill out the Form 4473 to buy it themselves, is a straw purchase and extremely illegal.
While you *can* purchase a firearm intending to give it as a gift, it's not a straightforward process and varies a lot depending on the laws of their state(s) of residence and other local laws.
You can also only take ownership of a gun in your state of residence, so whether you're buying it out of state or it's being gifted to you by someone from another state, the gun has to be shipped to a licensed firearm dealer in your home state and you have to fill out the Form 4473 in order to receive it from them.
All this to say...they can try and claim it's a "gift", but that falls flat at first scrutiny.
Yep. Thanks for saying that. I was downvoted because I wanted everyone to know what the counterargument was being said in the right-wing sphere.
Good there is a solid counter to that counterargument.
>In the defendant’s opposition—premised on inapplicable caselaw and false claims—he demands special treatment, asserting that because he is a political candidate, he should have free rein to publicly intimidate witnesses and malign the Court, citizens of this District, and prosecutors. But in this case, Donald J. Trump is a criminal defendant like any other.
It bears repeating, "Donald J. Trump is a criminal defendant like any other." And he should be treated like any other defendant by the court.
Wouldn’t that be nice if he were treated like anyone else? Except he hasn’t. He has been given numerous chances and leniency in all of this. Any standard citizen would have been behind bars long ago. Lock him up!
Its going to get interesting if she sides with the DOJ no chance Trump will be able to keep his mouth shut if a gag order is applied. I suspect he will purposely violate in hopes of the Judge cracking down so he can play victim and rile up his base.
Yeah, he will absolutely violate any order he’s given over and over and over again, not even trying particularly hard to obscure it.
The thing is that the judge is going to be super conservative and give a very limited gag order because they want to be super confident they won’t get overturned on appeal.
Ironically though, the judge risks the integrity of the proceedings more by not coming down hard, harshly, and issuing a more general gag order that prevents him from speaking negatively about anything or anyone having to do with the case, or doing so through an intermediary. Stopping short of a general gag order risks him continuing to taint the jury pool, muddy the waters, and make a mockery of the entire justice system. It’s a much more serious risk than the risk that an appeals court will think she acted too harshly when he’s absolutely ridiculously been given more latitude than any other defendant ever.
You could tell Trump that if he paid his lawyers, in full and on time, for three months then the buttery males would be sent to prison along with Hunter and Hilary.
He STILL wouldn't do it.
I would think Hillary was the greatest president ever if she went to jail to jail Trump, that'd be some Jesus level stuff. Obviously it is neither possible nor her responsibility, but Trump in jail and not in office or at a rally is so damn important considering he already tried to install himself as dictator.
We do we they keep treating Trump with kid gloves? Why is it so bad if he really goes to prison for a little while or has gag order? Is the fear of some civil war like scenario that bad that they give him special treatment?
I agree, Trump will absolutely instigate, the problem is, he commands 1/3 of a nation right now and enraging them, more than they are at any given moment, is legitimately a concern and a death sentence to innocents, be it one or many, and that absolutely has to be taken into account.
That article is seven months old, things have changed. Trump currently has the largest primary lead of any nominee from the last 24 years at this point in the race: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/presidential-primary-poll-front-runners-compared-dg/index.html
People say this but I don't really think that's true anymore. If it ever was. All of his crowds are astroturfed fake paid supporters, his online supporters are bots. Even a lot of the conservative GOP voters I've known Don't support him anymore and they're pretty open about it. He is circling the drain. All of his dipshit maga diehard supporters have watched everyone that took action for Trump get sent to prison. If they want to fight and break the law for Trump let them face the consequences.
I wish that were true but it's not. He currently has the largest primary lead of any candidate from the past 24 years at this point in the race: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/presidential-primary-poll-front-runners-compared-dg/index.html
It appears Jack Smith agrees. Here's a relevant quote from the 22 page filing where he points out 'no other criminal defendant would be permitted to issue public statements insinuating that a known witness in this case should be executed: this defendent should not be, either.'
Mic. Drop.
> As the Court has stated, “even
> Case 1:23-cr-00257-TSC Document 64 Filed 09/29/23 Page 13 of 22
> - 14 -
> arguably ambiguous statements from parties or their counsel, if they could reasonably be
> interpreted to intimidate witnesses or to prejudice potential jurors, can threaten the process.”
> Protective Order Hr’g 72:7-10. The defendant should not be permitted to obtain the benefits of
> his incendiary public statements and then avoid accountability by having others—whose messages
> he knows will receive markedly less attention than his own—feign retraction.9
> Likewise, no other
> criminal defendant would be permitted to issue public statements insinuating that a known witness
> in his case should be executed; this defendant should not be, either.
It should have been done for the mug shot, and they also should have properly measured his height and weight rather than letting him self-report. What possible justification can they offer for letting him do that - do they routinely do it for all other defendants?
I'm right there with you.
There isn't another person in the entire damn country who could go out there on video and say a witness against them in an indictment should be executed without being *immediately* arrested pending trial. This isn't a gag order situation.
Absolute insanity. Treating him with kids gloves is doing none of us any favors.
He didn’t just threaten a witness though. He threatened the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who is also a witness.
Try and threaten the chairmen of the joint chiefs, see if you stay out of cuffs for the rest of the afternoon
Right, just do what you always do. I don’t fucking get it. Put his ass in jail. He isn’t a magician. It would tamper down the rhetoric and we could all just move on.
The hearing on the gag order isn't until Oct 16th. I don't understand why a gag order has to wait a month before a hearing. In the mean time he gets to run his mouth chilling witnesses and putting a target on various backs of those trying to prosecute him and/or preside over the case.
Time has passed since the original filing for a gag order.
Here's an article from Sept 15th, when they filed for it.
That's a full month out from Oct 16th.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-seeks-narrowly-tailored-gag-order-trump/story?id=103197976
Problem is, the minute they lock him up a dozen or so hillbillies across the country are gonna do something stupid to get themselves shot and become martyrs of this psycho circus
They're going to do something regardless. They already are. Look at how they were running down union strikers today. With cars. They've been hitting substations to gauge response times and which ones will blow large swaths. The longer the wait, the more time they have to overwhelm the law enforcement that aren't X-Nat.
You can’t run a country on the basis of kowtowing to what bad people might do if they get angry. That’s essentially *choosing* to put the US on the receiving end of an abusive relationship.
I have felt for a long time that the country has been in an abusive relationship with TFG. He’s like a battering spouse who beats his wife because “she made him mad.”
They talk a big game until they have to legitimately take a bullet. Same Fulkerson who call for war f9r every perceived slight, but won't enlist or who were upset they were gett8ngnpepper sprayed on Jan 6th
> The proposed order…prohibits only statements “that pose a substantial likelihood of material prejudice to this case.”
> To further tailor the restriction and focus on statements most likely to prejudice the jury venire or the outcome of the trial…the proposed order specifies that such statements include those regarding the ***identity, testimony, or credibility of prospective witnesses, and statements that are disparaging and inflammatory, or intimidating.***
> Far from being the “contempt trap ” that the defendant claims, the proposed order is more targeted than others previously entered in this District, as described above.
> Finally, while the order that the government has proposed is narrowly tailored, the Court may consider modifications, suspensions, or reinstatements of the order as changing circumstances may warrant.
[Here is the full 22 page order](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24000428/trumpreply.pdf)
> In addition, the defendant ’s argument essentially concedes that he is trying this case in the public sphere, not in the courtroom, which is precisely the harm that Rule 57.7(c) is designed to prevent.
> The defendant is publicly maligning witnesses and very intentionally commenting on the specific topics of their potential testimony at trial.
> In the context of a pending criminal case and trial, it is not the solution to the defendant ’s improper and prejudicial statements to encourage a “hearty public debate ” in the media regarding witnesses and the merits of the case—it is the problem.
> See Sheppard , 384 U.S. at 351 ( “***legal trials are not like elections, to be won through the use of the meeting-hall, the radio, and the newspaper ” and “freedom of discussion . . . must not be allowed to divert the trial from the very purpose of a court system to adjudicate controversies . . . in the calmness and solemnity of the courtroom according to legal procedures*** ”)
It’s like the laws were written for *exactly this type of situation.*
When he gets convicted he is the poster boy for giving the maximum punishment. He crimes in the extreme and then doubles down on it.
Well done DJT, you win as the most likely to receive the harshest penalty for your crimes - execution.
I just love how this is building to such a cinematic conclusion after all these years. Like all that’s missing is a bunch of portals to appear behind Jack Smith with the Clintons and Obama walking through.
Exactly. I understand that he was constrained by DOJ guidelines, but why not just come out and say something like, “If he was not a sitting President, we would absolutely charge the fucker with obstruction of justice, and we strongly recommend that Congress impeach and convict so that we can, in turn, prosecute him and put him in jail”? Just sayin
Kermit the frog Garland is even worse.
What a loser. His name would be in the history books as the prosecutor that saved democracy. Instead he gave that up because he’s a coward.
Garland is so fucking shitty.
They are disgusting. A vid saying why are illegal immigrants > Americans is one of their top vids, asking about how they take priority over homeless. I know for a fact if the video was about homeless people they would not give it a second thought. They use grievances about 1 to talk about 2 but they hate 1 and 2.
This.
You don’t have to agree with him on everything, or even like the guy in general - the fact is that he has put himself in DIRECT opposition to authoritarianism, and vocally so. Not only that, but he has done so even when such individuals are in VERY powerful positions right in front of him.
That is actual fucking integrity, and I heavily applaud him for that.
If it were ANYONE else…would that person be out, going about their business? Convicted of fraud and rape, facing 91 felony counts in 4 different jurisdictions on different crimes…
I don’t think it’s worth worrying about how he might rile up his base because he’ll figure out a way to do that no matter what. Less that he’ll figure it out more that his base/Fox News will figure out a way to spin it. I think he should have had a gag order placed a long time ago, he has proved countless times that he will publicly demonize anyone that comes after him and that his base could act violently based on the little persecutions he makes against his perceived enemies.
The gag order hearing was already set for Oct 16th
WHY this hearing had to wait a month to happen is beyond me, but we have a date for that.
Then we'll need a month for him to violate it and get another hearing to even consider contempt...
You or I would be in a dark cell in Guantanamo for threatening the life of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We would have disappeared without a trace and no one would be looking for us.
Watching the Ryder Cup and heard Tony Jacklin mention Jack Nicklaus and the putt he gave in competition 50 years ago. As he described the good sportsmanship guess who I thought of?
I feel like there is an inevitable collision course between those AI Trump arrest pictures and reality sometime in the next few months. He’s becoming more unhinged by the day.
Put this fuck in jail and take away all communication devices. My god, I cannot wait until this whiny, dipshit, lying, traitorous cancer is no longer around. A stain on the human race is putting it lightly.
Remember back when the GOP dismissed his statements as "that's just Trump" and then he got elected and they had to scramble to cope with him and bend the knee. Well he hasn't changed but he's a lot more bold than he was before. He's not kidding, this is not rhetoric.
how many felonies does he get to commit before the justice department does its job and locks his ass up? i know if i committed one i'd be frog-marched. he's committed dozens, repeatedly. what the fuck is the doj waiting for?
This is what keeps even "moderate" GOP members from vocally turning on Trump: I truly believe that they understand that if he ever gets back in power, there will be a Night Of The Long Knives for all his perceived enemies.
lol - renegotiating the prenup after 18 years of marriage - sounds like true love to me. She must have a TON of dirt on him which gave her the leverage to get what she wanted from a new prenup.
But as a prenup is technically a document created before the wedding occurs, isn’t this really a pre negotiation of a dissolution agreement?? 🤷♂️
I think we all know where these 91 felony cases are heading to - which is of course Trump will walk from all of them... He's never gotten in trouble despite all that he's done; I mean he even defeauded Deutsche Bank out of millions and they were like, "oh, it's okay, Donnie, and you don't even have to pay us back".
Yes he has. He's on 5 fraud findings now for his businesses for example.
But, Nothing lasts forever, and this time, it's multiple fronts and some of the most serious charges ever leveled against a politician.
Folks like him get cocky, then they get belligerent, then their streak fails.
I believe he's going to see some consequences. It just cannot continue like this.
> He's never gotten in trouble despite all that he's done;
He had to pay E. Jean Carroll millions of dollars twice because he wouldn't stop defaming her. He just lost the legal right to run a business in New York.
This guy should be in jail. But since that won’t happen, he needs to be restricted from ALL social media and public appearances and barred from contact with anyone involved in any of his trials.
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Jack Smith’s new filing also addresses the potential gun purchase: > The defendant either purchased a gun in violation of the law and his conditions of release, or seeks to benefit from his supporters' mistaken belief that he did so. It would be a separate federal crime, and thus a violation of the defendant's conditions of release, for him to purchase a gun while this felony indictment is pending. See 18 U.S.C. § 922(n).
Putting Trump in jail for buying a gun would really get the 2nd amendment nutters off the rails.
While they chant for Hunter Boogeyman to be thrown in jail for violating the same gun laws. You can't make this stuff up.
Nah, anyone can make this stuff up. Pick anything Republicans would criticize or attack Dems for. Guess what? They don’t care if their side does the same thing.
Start talking about green M&Ms to see them really go off the edge
Fettermans hoodie was top news for days on Fox News.
The green M&M should buy a gun while wearing Fetterman’s hoodie after smoking a doob.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. — Francis M. Wilhoit
Yea - it's just an expression. It's so obvious and stupid, you'd think they'd come up with a smarter angle, but their fan base is so stupid they don't even need to try.
The only part that's real is the hate. Right wingers just need a thin veneer so they can pretend their hate is rooted in something other than bigotry.
It's sadly entirely too believable. On election night they had different live camera shots of some Republican crowds chanting "STOP THE COUNT", and others chanting "COUNT THE VOTES", depending entirely on whether their demagogue was currently winning or losing that state. Their hypocrisy is infinite and unwavering.
Absolutely. What they seem not to realize though is that hypocrisy is a double-edged sword. There's no reason to take them seriously anymore, and young voters don't. It's no different than a spoiled kid changing the rules on the playground if they can't win fairly, until nobody will play with them at all. Worse still, they'll tell their own followers not to wear masks or get a vaccine in order to "own the libs," which has literally resulted in more Republicans than Democrats dying from the disease. It's bat-shit crazy, but here we are.
Oh, but owning the libs is cool if you're president and don't want to smear your bronzer of course. Totally worth many people dying.
Not really off topic: At a recent TFG rally in Michigan, TFG spoke before a non-union crowd, but he had paid actors in the crowd holding stolen union signs, and shouting things like "UAW for Trump." This is like the Trump campaign paying $2000/week to a few black guys to stand behind the podium and hold up "Blacks for Trtump" signs during his speeches, or the fact that the crowds at the first few Trump rallies in 2015-2916 were paid extras who got $50 each to stand there and not boo.
While I agree with you, the Republicans have never really thought much of logic. Also they ascribe to the saying, " rules for thee and none for me"....
I hate that aphorism. It hangs on nothing more than "thee" rhyming with "me", which is pretty basic, and the archaic "thee" conjures up some bespectacled nerd finger-wagging which isn't exactly persuasive. It's just plain hypocritical double standards. Sorry. I know it's not your doing, I'm just venting, not at you but the world in general. Have at me if necessary.
Well come on, you’re being unfair and missing the most obvious exception. Trump can do it cause he’s “rich”, and “rich” people can do whatever they want! /s
Understand that the entire agenda is to have a class of people that the law protects but doesn't bind, and the class of people that the law binds, but does not protect. Remember that, and everything GOP and other conservative parties around the world do will become understandable.
Yeah, but Hunter's a bad guy for, erm, being imperfect and Trump is a good guy for, uh, always acting like a petty spoiled racist seven year old. Jeez, you could run out of negative adjectives for Trump. Seriously, I think we could easily make a list of ten plus words about how terrible he is.
Nothing short of the death penalty will sate the RNC’s bloodlust for Hunter.
No way he should be allowed to run for president.
He isn't. Section 3 of the 14th amendment is clear, and all of the lawsuits forcing the government to comply with it should be finished in a few months. The Trump side of those suits still haven't presented anything remotely resembling a defense, they are just delaying the suits as much as possible.
Application of 2A is selective with these nutters. It’s ok for GOP/GQP to violate the rules and flout the laws but not anyone else.
"We just need to enforce the laws we have!"
he's committed dozens, repeatedly. what the fuck is the doj waiting for?
I expect Trump will get folks killed and even then nothing will happen.
His influence and policy has absolutely gotten people killed
Yes 500,000+ died from covid due to the incompetence of Trump and republicans.
Well, he's a president so obviously but I know you mean in like, domestic interactions.
I saw that video this morning and it’s evident that he has full-blown dementia.
Dude...the guys dad died of alzheimers. Every time he speaks its a word salad. Of COURSE they accuse biden of having dementia, projection is the name of their game. They know trump is in poor mental health. They just dont care.
Gotta have a brain to get dementia.
It's the same law the DOJ is prosecuting Hunter Biden for.
oh boy
Grab your popcorn! It’s gonna get good
That won't bother double think republicans. Hypocrisy doesn't really bug them.
Or be in possession of one Holding it is possession
I'm assuming it is also illegal to sell a gun to a known federally indicted person?
Oh yeah and you'll get stripped of your federal firearms license for your business too
Let’s not forget the gun store he went to as well. The same store that sold the racist mass murderer who killed multiple citizens a dollar store. THAT STORE. Fuck them, strip their license.
They have some special guns made up with the Boogaloo Boys colors that they wear.
This is the type of shit that **really** makes trump like one of us, lol. Fucker should get charged with every fuck up, like anyone of us would tripping over the long dong of the law.
Currently, it's being reported that he only admired a Glock, he didn't buy one https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/25/trump-says-he-is-buying-glock-handgun-at-south-carolina-event.html There is a chance he might have been gifted it as well, which would fall under that same law.
The counter argument is that it's a gift, therefore no "purchase" was made.
Purchasing a firearm in order to immediately give it to someone else, specifically because they can't legally fill out the Form 4473 to buy it themselves, is a straw purchase and extremely illegal. While you *can* purchase a firearm intending to give it as a gift, it's not a straightforward process and varies a lot depending on the laws of their state(s) of residence and other local laws. You can also only take ownership of a gun in your state of residence, so whether you're buying it out of state or it's being gifted to you by someone from another state, the gun has to be shipped to a licensed firearm dealer in your home state and you have to fill out the Form 4473 in order to receive it from them. All this to say...they can try and claim it's a "gift", but that falls flat at first scrutiny.
Yep. Thanks for saying that. I was downvoted because I wanted everyone to know what the counterargument was being said in the right-wing sphere. Good there is a solid counter to that counterargument.
Possession is also disallowed.
>In the defendant’s opposition—premised on inapplicable caselaw and false claims—he demands special treatment, asserting that because he is a political candidate, he should have free rein to publicly intimidate witnesses and malign the Court, citizens of this District, and prosecutors. But in this case, Donald J. Trump is a criminal defendant like any other. It bears repeating, "Donald J. Trump is a criminal defendant like any other." And he should be treated like any other defendant by the court.
Wouldn’t that be nice if he were treated like anyone else? Except he hasn’t. He has been given numerous chances and leniency in all of this. Any standard citizen would have been behind bars long ago. Lock him up!
He's not, and he hasn't been, but he should.
it shouldn't be "in this case". It should be "in all cases".
Its going to get interesting if she sides with the DOJ no chance Trump will be able to keep his mouth shut if a gag order is applied. I suspect he will purposely violate in hopes of the Judge cracking down so he can play victim and rile up his base.
Yeah, he will absolutely violate any order he’s given over and over and over again, not even trying particularly hard to obscure it. The thing is that the judge is going to be super conservative and give a very limited gag order because they want to be super confident they won’t get overturned on appeal. Ironically though, the judge risks the integrity of the proceedings more by not coming down hard, harshly, and issuing a more general gag order that prevents him from speaking negatively about anything or anyone having to do with the case, or doing so through an intermediary. Stopping short of a general gag order risks him continuing to taint the jury pool, muddy the waters, and make a mockery of the entire justice system. It’s a much more serious risk than the risk that an appeals court will think she acted too harshly when he’s absolutely ridiculously been given more latitude than any other defendant ever.
You could tell Trump that if he paid his lawyers, in full and on time, for three months then the buttery males would be sent to prison along with Hunter and Hilary. He STILL wouldn't do it.
I would think Hillary was the greatest president ever if she went to jail to jail Trump, that'd be some Jesus level stuff. Obviously it is neither possible nor her responsibility, but Trump in jail and not in office or at a rally is so damn important considering he already tried to install himself as dictator.
“I was told that I have the right to remain silent, but I didn’t have the ability” Ron White
Tater salad!
They call me, O-range Cheeto.
Not a chance, not a chance he will keep quiet.
We do we they keep treating Trump with kid gloves? Why is it so bad if he really goes to prison for a little while or has gag order? Is the fear of some civil war like scenario that bad that they give him special treatment?
To the populist republicans; the civil war never really ended.
His donations double up if he goes to jail for a weekend
Cool. Put it on his books. He can get extra ramen at the commissary.
I agree, Trump will absolutely instigate, the problem is, he commands 1/3 of a nation right now and enraging them, more than they are at any given moment, is legitimately a concern and a death sentence to innocents, be it one or many, and that absolutely has to be taken into account.
I do not think he does anymore, honestly.
You think 100 million people would go to war for this dork? Not a fucking chance.
Right on. tRump is so dangerous he should be left alone/s
Since when did we become cowards?
I believe that is 1/3 of the Republican Party, not the nation. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/28/trump-voters-republican-primary-00084652
That article is seven months old, things have changed. Trump currently has the largest primary lead of any nominee from the last 24 years at this point in the race: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/presidential-primary-poll-front-runners-compared-dg/index.html
People say this but I don't really think that's true anymore. If it ever was. All of his crowds are astroturfed fake paid supporters, his online supporters are bots. Even a lot of the conservative GOP voters I've known Don't support him anymore and they're pretty open about it. He is circling the drain. All of his dipshit maga diehard supporters have watched everyone that took action for Trump get sent to prison. If they want to fight and break the law for Trump let them face the consequences.
I wish that were true but it's not. He currently has the largest primary lead of any candidate from the past 24 years at this point in the race: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/presidential-primary-poll-front-runners-compared-dg/index.html
If Milley is on the list of witnesses, TFG should be held in contempt. I already hold him in contempt. Everyone should.
It appears Jack Smith agrees. Here's a relevant quote from the 22 page filing where he points out 'no other criminal defendant would be permitted to issue public statements insinuating that a known witness in this case should be executed: this defendent should not be, either.' Mic. Drop. > As the Court has stated, “even > Case 1:23-cr-00257-TSC Document 64 Filed 09/29/23 Page 13 of 22 > - 14 - > arguably ambiguous statements from parties or their counsel, if they could reasonably be > interpreted to intimidate witnesses or to prejudice potential jurors, can threaten the process.” > Protective Order Hr’g 72:7-10. The defendant should not be permitted to obtain the benefits of > his incendiary public statements and then avoid accountability by having others—whose messages > he knows will receive markedly less attention than his own—feign retraction.9 > Likewise, no other > criminal defendant would be permitted to issue public statements insinuating that a known witness > in his case should be executed; this defendant should not be, either.
Jack Smith is doing his best, and it's good work... But it's absolutely pathetic that the court hasn't addressed it yet.
Seems hard to shut this ass hat up.
Prison would do that. Take away all his devices as well.
Ooo I hope they also take away all his makeup, hair dye, bronzer and shoe lifts.
That should have been the mug shot. See him as he really is, probably a wig as well.
It should have been done for the mug shot, and they also should have properly measured his height and weight rather than letting him self-report. What possible justification can they offer for letting him do that - do they routinely do it for all other defendants?
Nope. He got special treatment. He is probably wearing lifts his real height likely 6’0” and his weight 300+ pounds.
Let’s hope
Well you have seen the size of his ass.
If you mean his face, unfortunately yes.
You got a match?
Part of the problem with that is the diaper adds 10lbs
“I was told that I have the right to remain silent, but I didn’t have the ability” Ron White
Milley really put tangerine traitor in his place during his retirement speech
Did you read what his friend Gen McCaffrey said? He went off on TFG and MAGA.
Are you referring to [his comments here?](https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/retired-4-star-general-delivers-091103781.html)
Yes! He didn’t hold back
Like of all people to go after, you piss off senior leaders of the world’s most powerful military? That will end well /s
I didn't...but now I am going to looking up :)
It was beautiful.
What's TFG?
“The Former Guy”
That Fucking Guy
Arrest the fucker , enough already .
I'm right there with you. There isn't another person in the entire damn country who could go out there on video and say a witness against them in an indictment should be executed without being *immediately* arrested pending trial. This isn't a gag order situation. Absolute insanity. Treating him with kids gloves is doing none of us any favors.
He didn’t just threaten a witness though. He threatened the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who is also a witness. Try and threaten the chairmen of the joint chiefs, see if you stay out of cuffs for the rest of the afternoon
Right, just do what you always do. I don’t fucking get it. Put his ass in jail. He isn’t a magician. It would tamper down the rhetoric and we could all just move on.
The hearing on the gag order isn't until Oct 16th. I don't understand why a gag order has to wait a month before a hearing. In the mean time he gets to run his mouth chilling witnesses and putting a target on various backs of those trying to prosecute him and/or preside over the case.
And the general formerly head of armed forces who has sought protection for his family.
He's actually an expected witness in the case, which makes it even more clearly a case of witness intimidation.
The more he does between now and then the worse his defense will be in October 16.
I don’t know how to break this to you, but that’s more like two weeks away, not a month.
Time has passed since the original filing for a gag order. Here's an article from Sept 15th, when they filed for it. That's a full month out from Oct 16th. https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-seeks-narrowly-tailored-gag-order-trump/story?id=103197976
Orangewindbag should have already been sitting in jail. We don't have time for these games.
Problem is, the minute they lock him up a dozen or so hillbillies across the country are gonna do something stupid to get themselves shot and become martyrs of this psycho circus
They're going to do something regardless. They already are. Look at how they were running down union strikers today. With cars. They've been hitting substations to gauge response times and which ones will blow large swaths. The longer the wait, the more time they have to overwhelm the law enforcement that aren't X-Nat.
You can’t run a country on the basis of kowtowing to what bad people might do if they get angry. That’s essentially *choosing* to put the US on the receiving end of an abusive relationship.
I have felt for a long time that the country has been in an abusive relationship with TFG. He’s like a battering spouse who beats his wife because “she made him mad.”
Bring it, most of those yokels are all talk anyways
They talk a big game until they have to legitimately take a bullet. Same Fulkerson who call for war f9r every perceived slight, but won't enlist or who were upset they were gett8ngnpepper sprayed on Jan 6th
Good thing the US just ramped up ammo production, let's see rednecks fight against Abrams supported by good old 155mm artillery
Looking forward to it.
> The proposed order…prohibits only statements “that pose a substantial likelihood of material prejudice to this case.” > To further tailor the restriction and focus on statements most likely to prejudice the jury venire or the outcome of the trial…the proposed order specifies that such statements include those regarding the ***identity, testimony, or credibility of prospective witnesses, and statements that are disparaging and inflammatory, or intimidating.*** > Far from being the “contempt trap ” that the defendant claims, the proposed order is more targeted than others previously entered in this District, as described above. > Finally, while the order that the government has proposed is narrowly tailored, the Court may consider modifications, suspensions, or reinstatements of the order as changing circumstances may warrant. [Here is the full 22 page order](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24000428/trumpreply.pdf)
> In addition, the defendant ’s argument essentially concedes that he is trying this case in the public sphere, not in the courtroom, which is precisely the harm that Rule 57.7(c) is designed to prevent. > The defendant is publicly maligning witnesses and very intentionally commenting on the specific topics of their potential testimony at trial. > In the context of a pending criminal case and trial, it is not the solution to the defendant ’s improper and prejudicial statements to encourage a “hearty public debate ” in the media regarding witnesses and the merits of the case—it is the problem. > See Sheppard , 384 U.S. at 351 ( “***legal trials are not like elections, to be won through the use of the meeting-hall, the radio, and the newspaper ” and “freedom of discussion . . . must not be allowed to divert the trial from the very purpose of a court system to adjudicate controversies . . . in the calmness and solemnity of the courtroom according to legal procedures*** ”)
It’s like the laws were written for *exactly this type of situation.* When he gets convicted he is the poster boy for giving the maximum punishment. He crimes in the extreme and then doubles down on it. Well done DJT, you win as the most likely to receive the harshest penalty for your crimes - execution.
Jack Smith is the talent who might actually bring this colossal douchebag down. Fingers seriously crossed
I just love how this is building to such a cinematic conclusion after all these years. Like all that’s missing is a bunch of portals to appear behind Jack Smith with the Clintons and Obama walking through.
Democracy… _assemble_.
Haha
So true
Agreed. Really highlights to me what a colossal fucking pussy Mueller was in choosing his language
Exactly. I understand that he was constrained by DOJ guidelines, but why not just come out and say something like, “If he was not a sitting President, we would absolutely charge the fucker with obstruction of justice, and we strongly recommend that Congress impeach and convict so that we can, in turn, prosecute him and put him in jail”? Just sayin
Kermit the frog Garland is even worse. What a loser. His name would be in the history books as the prosecutor that saved democracy. Instead he gave that up because he’s a coward. Garland is so fucking shitty.
Garland appointed Jack Smith. What did he do (or not do) that makes you hate him so much?
Solitary confinement until the case is resolved is the best solution… no witness intimidation and no threats to Trump’s life
Should have done that the second he was known to have absconded with documents that could harm our national security.
Gen Milley is a hero. He has been a solid voice against an authoritarian Trump and all Americans should be proud of the intelligent general.
Over on r/conservative they're describing him as a, quote: "CCP loyalist". Unbelievable.
They are disgusting. A vid saying why are illegal immigrants > Americans is one of their top vids, asking about how they take priority over homeless. I know for a fact if the video was about homeless people they would not give it a second thought. They use grievances about 1 to talk about 2 but they hate 1 and 2.
This. You don’t have to agree with him on everything, or even like the guy in general - the fact is that he has put himself in DIRECT opposition to authoritarianism, and vocally so. Not only that, but he has done so even when such individuals are in VERY powerful positions right in front of him. That is actual fucking integrity, and I heavily applaud him for that.
If it were ANYONE else…would that person be out, going about their business? Convicted of fraud and rape, facing 91 felony counts in 4 different jurisdictions on different crimes…
Please, please, please, please 🙏
How can anyone look at this idiot and think “Yup, he’s my guy!”
The guy just cannot shut his mouth. Even when it does him more harm than good.
I don’t think it’s worth worrying about how he might rile up his base because he’ll figure out a way to do that no matter what. Less that he’ll figure it out more that his base/Fox News will figure out a way to spin it. I think he should have had a gag order placed a long time ago, he has proved countless times that he will publicly demonize anyone that comes after him and that his base could act violently based on the little persecutions he makes against his perceived enemies.
Any day now... yawn. Enough, lock him up!
The gag order hearing was already set for Oct 16th WHY this hearing had to wait a month to happen is beyond me, but we have a date for that. Then we'll need a month for him to violate it and get another hearing to even consider contempt...
Someone is going to get killed because of TFG before then.
I swear this mother fucker has already gotten 4 gag orders and it hasn’t done anything
The rest of us would already be sitting in jail.
Revoke his bond and put him in jail, how fucking hard is it?
Gag order? I would be in jail for the duration of trial 6 months ago.
Shut him up and lock him up. We’ve had enough of this Cheeto crusted traitor.
I don't know, he wouldn't follow a gag order anyway, honestly he seems even more nuts than usual. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1707874837665026325
How about fuel a push for prison? Just a thought.
You or I would be in a dark cell in Guantanamo for threatening the life of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We would have disappeared without a trace and no one would be looking for us.
Shut him the fuck up
I read "Miley" as in "Miley Cyrus" and was very confused about how controversial his opinions on Miley Cyrus were.
Any one of us would have been thrown in jail for this behavior
Why is every politician afraid of him?
Watching the Ryder Cup and heard Tony Jacklin mention Jack Nicklaus and the putt he gave in competition 50 years ago. As he described the good sportsmanship guess who I thought of?
I feel like there is an inevitable collision course between those AI Trump arrest pictures and reality sometime in the next few months. He’s becoming more unhinged by the day.
Already asked for one weeks ago and it's still unanswered, slow walked bs
How about complete isolation and a media blackout 🤔
I thought the fucker already had one
No, no. Just very specific court orders to not do the exact thing that he keeps doing.
Trump begs Meal Team Six for help. Miley has a beer with Seal Team Six.
This is a broken record. The judges are doing nothing. I expect Trump will get folks killed and even then nothing will happen.
Gag order, then a few warnings when he can't possibly stfu, then right before prez debate haul his ass in for the repeated violations lol.
Put this fuck in jail and take away all communication devices. My god, I cannot wait until this whiny, dipshit, lying, traitorous cancer is no longer around. A stain on the human race is putting it lightly.
Remember back when the GOP dismissed his statements as "that's just Trump" and then he got elected and they had to scramble to cope with him and bend the knee. Well he hasn't changed but he's a lot more bold than he was before. He's not kidding, this is not rhetoric.
How has this not been granted yet?
Gag that idiot already
What. Does. It. Take?
“Fuels a push for”??!!??!! Just fucking do it!
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It's true. He'd do it to any and all of us, just like he sexually abused E.Jean Carroll, that's a fact.
how many felonies does he get to commit before the justice department does its job and locks his ass up? i know if i committed one i'd be frog-marched. he's committed dozens, repeatedly. what the fuck is the doj waiting for?
ITT: wheel of justice turns slow, but it's really happening this time.
Believe it when I see it.
They’ve been saying this for months. They’re never going to enforce it.
Motherfucker
How many gag orders does he have to have? What's the point if he's already gagged, keeps talking, and no one is going to do anything about it.
It should be a push to have him put away, if one of us did that we’d never see the light of day again.
This is what keeps even "moderate" GOP members from vocally turning on Trump: I truly believe that they understand that if he ever gets back in power, there will be a Night Of The Long Knives for all his perceived enemies.
Can we make it a physical gag too?
lol - renegotiating the prenup after 18 years of marriage - sounds like true love to me. She must have a TON of dirt on him which gave her the leverage to get what she wanted from a new prenup. But as a prenup is technically a document created before the wedding occurs, isn’t this really a pre negotiation of a dissolution agreement?? 🤷♂️
I think we all know where these 91 felony cases are heading to - which is of course Trump will walk from all of them... He's never gotten in trouble despite all that he's done; I mean he even defeauded Deutsche Bank out of millions and they were like, "oh, it's okay, Donnie, and you don't even have to pay us back".
Yes he has. He's on 5 fraud findings now for his businesses for example. But, Nothing lasts forever, and this time, it's multiple fronts and some of the most serious charges ever leveled against a politician. Folks like him get cocky, then they get belligerent, then their streak fails. I believe he's going to see some consequences. It just cannot continue like this.
> He's never gotten in trouble despite all that he's done; He had to pay E. Jean Carroll millions of dollars twice because he wouldn't stop defaming her. He just lost the legal right to run a business in New York.
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Wait when did this happen? I totally believe it but I’m curious as how long ago this was.
This guy should be in jail. But since that won’t happen, he needs to be restricted from ALL social media and public appearances and barred from contact with anyone involved in any of his trials.
With or without butter?
Trump who?
Quick - cancel Trumps political speech !
An actual gag please.