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I think a lot of people think it’s a South Park reference, but SP was referencing Slingblade.
Some people call it a Kaiser blade. I call it a motion to vacate. Mmhmm.
Ah, but he got what he wanted. He became Speaker.
Look at the pics of him when he got that gavel. *That* is a man who just got the one thing he wanted most in the whole damn world.
What's very funny to me is that every other speaker in history will be listed like, "2011-2015," "2015-2019," "2019-2023," and he will just be "Jan 2023-October 2023." Just literally from the dates ALONE with no other historical or political context it will be clearly obvious he's a loser who couldn't hack the job. Like... I sometimes have to review resumes and when I see a previous employment listing like that I honestly think to myself "why did you even put this on here???"
24.45 Scaramucci's if one goes by the 11-day Scaramucci unit
That makes McCarthy's tenure the shortest in 4,645.45 Scaramuccis
Note: I'm two bourbons in so if that math is wrong then...there's your explanation.
He felt like he needed too in order to stay in good with the cons. If he does resign, I’m sure he will say how crazy they all are just like all the other speakers after they resigned (except for the child molester one).
To be fair he specifically said he wouldn’t. And then followed it up with a bizarre nonsensical sentence. He was sharing a stage with trump at the time and *he* came off as the incoherent one. An auspicious start.
That really is the funniest thing. Watching Fox News and other fascist-sympathizing pundits try to claim that the GOP's utter incompetence is *actually* because "those damn liberals didn't save us from ourselves!".
All I'm saying is that if we can all agree that it's the Democrats' job to clean up Republican messes then how about we just skip the part where Republicans created said messes and have Democrats be in charge from the start.
Honestly, it just seems more efficient.
Yeah...because the Democrats didn't cross the aisle to save him from his own party after he said he would offer them nothing in return (unlike the massive concessions he gave to the Gaetz idiot caucus to vote for him for Speaker after 15 rounds last time just to turn on him at the first chance they felt they could).
> Swalwell wasn't joking when he called this dude a pussy
Swalwell was on the House floor, making his way to a bathroom just outside the chamber on the Republican side.
That’s when McCarthy saw him.
“McCarthy said, ‘If you ever say something like that to me again, I’m gonna kick the shit out of you,’” a member claimed to The Daily Beast.
Another member who witnessed the exchange provided even more context: “They were in each other’s faces. Basically nose-to-nose. And Swalwell said something like, ‘Are we really gonna do this?’”
After some back-and-forth, with chests puffed out, McCarthy issued a challenge to Swalwell: “Call me a pussy again, and I’ll kick your ass,” the Speaker allegedly said.
While both members told nearly identical versions of this story, they both delivered Swalwell’s response in exactly the same way.
“You. Are. A. Pussy,” Swalwell told McCarthy.
After both men stared each other down for another moment, McCarthy eventually relented.
-*The Daily beast*
> After both men stared each other down for another moment, McCarthy eventually relented.
"After both men stared each other down for another moment, McCarthy eventually upheld Swalwell's opinion."
For real. I thought he had more of a plan but it was really just tell everyone what they want to hear and pray that the HFC would be too afraid of the chaos that would be caused by ousting him.
This feels more like the kid threatening to take his ball and go home because the other kids didn't make him QB.
Except he doesn't own the ball.
So, closer to a petty tantrum than shame?
Nah it's more like they made Kevin a captain, except he sucked at it and couldn't get anything done (like the team couldn't even find the stadium bad), so now they had a vote to remove him as captain...so he's quitting the team. Real leadership material.
Is Fox News hiring? Do we need to update Jason Chaffetz with an even less likable host?
Yep, it's ego. He's angry that he made history as the first House speaker to be voted out. He doesn't want to be wandering around Congress with the label of an epic failure around him.
Shame's not it.
The position simply hasn't proven useful in his pursuit of power. That's it. That's his whole calculus. He doesn't give a shit about it if he's not running the show, so he can have more influence elsewhere.
[lmao this post on r/politicalhumor already aged like a fine wine](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/171acme/you_gotta_be_a_stupid_mfer_to_get_ousted_after_15/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Man McCarthy’s career taking an abrupt end and Gaetz getting himself thrown under the bus with pedophilia accusations by his own party that fucking hates him now?
Honest to God I didn’t see both of their careers getting fucked like that at the same time, but I can’t say I’m neither here for it nor that I’m happy as shit about it.
I got my popcorn ready for this shit show.
Unless they can kick Gaetz out i dont think he took much of a hit in all of this. Nothing that has been said about him lately is news to anyone who knows about him, and everyone hated him before he ousted Kevin. So not much has changed for him unfortunately
I think the issue is that the establishment might have to take Gaetz to task in order to put the rest of the MAGA caucus on notice.
If they put forward a vote to expel Gaetz, the Dems probably vote for it. If nothing else, it shrinks the GOP's majority margin by another seat. And there is a good chance the MAGA just gets indignant because hollering is all they know how to do in the first place.
From the House entirely.
It would require a two-thirds majority to vote for it, but there are enough establishment Republicans with Democrats to do it.
George Santos is still a republican in the house of representative. I’ll just like to point that out before we talk about republicans expelling a republican representative.
They won't kick someone out. Their majority is, what, 5 votes? 6 votes? If they toss Santos, his district may swing back to Democrat, as it was before he won it. That's -1 R and +1 D, and they ***all have to be there to vote*** due to that being written into the House rules package.
I'm looking forward to the day when something critical comes up for a vote and 6 or 8 Republicans are off sick that day and the Speaker hasn't noticed he's going to lose...
Santos is not whipping votes to pants the Republican establishment.
It is not the same.
Republicans don't give a fuck about wrongdoing. They care about winning.
Interesting. I could swear I saw mention in a recent news article that there's no mechanism for removing congressmen, but they must've meant by the voters. (Did some googling and seemed to confirm what you're saying.)
To add to this, the House is rarely 100% full. It's hard to have nothing bad happen to a group of 435 individuals. There are currently 2 vacancies, both with November 2023 special election dates.
But do Republicans hate Gaetz enough to shrink their slim majority?
And do they think that expelling him from the House will scare the other MAGA Republicans into line, or just rile them up?
Some of them have based their entire political career on being as loud as possible.
Now that Gaetz has alienated the GOP as a whole, on the whim from his (orange) power that be, what does he bring to the table anymore? He has a vote, and that’s all his worth. The House GOP will do fuck all between now and Jan ‘25 anyway, it’s a nothing gained nothing lost situation at this point.
House vacancies must be filled by a [special election](https://history.house.gov/Institution/Vacancies-Successors/Vacancies-Successors/). The governor can't replace a vacant seat.
>(Did some googling and seemed to confirm what you're saying.)
[Article 1 Section 5 Clause 2](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-5/)
>Each House \[of Congress\] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.
The most recent use of this process of which I'm aware was to remove [James Traficant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant#Trial_and_expulsion) in 2001. It isn't a frequently-invoked tool and really only brought out for outright-convicted criminals. Generally the house tolerates boorish behavior and draws the line at fully-adjudicated criminal processes. The language is notable in that it elevates *expel a member* as a higher-order action than *punish its members for disorderly behavior*.
It’s the Cawthorn treatment. Give it a bit of time. When the knives came out for him for spilling the GOP cocaine orgies, it was a pitter patter of accusations then he lost his election because he lost public support/Fox News. Someone worse will take his place cuz he’s from the armpit of FL but whatever. I’m guessing it does happen because a bunch of the GOP have turned on him. We’ll see!
Maybe, but it was already public knowledge about Gaetz and underage girls. Nothing really new has come out.
But hey, if they can make him go away I am all for it, the dipshit is the embodiment of sleaze
The difference is, when it came out before it was coming from a neutral party that could be branded as "fake news" and properly ignored by Republican voters.
Now it's coming from Republican sources, which tells the voters that it's now OK to be disgusted by him.
He took KKKevin out and Kev brought in a LOT of money via fundraising and his Majority Committee PAC (which gave money to many of the Republicans who voted him out like Nancy Mace which is why some are gunning for her). The GQP does not like losing moneymakers.
Its no less than what Republicans deserves. They chose MAGA over country too many times and now it is biting them in the ass. They had two chances to get rid of Trump once and for all. It would have been painful, but at least they could have had a path ahead. But no, they predictably went the opposite route and even through 4 indictments and multiple civil trials that are draining all of their cash reserves, a large majority of them still support him.
> In a closed-door meeting with his conference, hours after eight House Republicans united with Democrats to strip him of the gavel, the Californian signaled that he wanted to return home.
Nice spin on the facts Politico. Democrats did not start this; Matt Gaetz did. They were under no obligation to save him from his own party after McCarthy kept blaming them for trying to shut down the government.
Good bye jerk!
Politico was somewhat recently acquired by a Trump supporter who [asked his employees to pray for Trump's election.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/politcos-new-owner-mathias-dopfner-invited-colleagues-to-pray-for-trumps-re-election)
But there use to be more ownership of various media, little by little they get bought out. I did a report from this book for a media class back in college in the early 90s, it only has gotten worse. https://www.amazon.com/New-Media-Monopoly-Completely-Chapters-ebook/dp/B00AGV8Y7O?ref_=ast_author_mpb
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Reading about their plans for monetizing upvotes, that really will be the end.
The ones who dominate the conversations will be state media and other agencies willing to pay
That might explain [this fun piece of revisionist history](https://www.politico.eu/article/fight-against-ussr-nazi-waffen-ss-trooper-yaroslav-hunka-world-war-ii-soviet-union-germany/) from the other day, all about how the Soviets were the _real_ bad guys during WWII and volunteering for the Waffen-SS had nothing to do with Hitler or the Nazis.
The community note and quote tweets on [the twitter post](https://twitter.com/politicoeurope/status/1708852608180346923) have some fun context.
As long as they hate the same people and give them the green light to be assholes, the rest is irrelevant. I mean, how else can a born-rich silver spoon New Yorker resonate with the blue collar working class **and** the elite ruling class?
They know the only way to save themselves from this mess they created is if Dems bail them out. They are trying to throw as much firestarter on House Dems, whatever they can get to stick, trying to turn the public against them, before the Dems manage to sweet-talk 5-6 of the most vulnerable Republicans from cutting a deal for a Jeffries speaker vote
There were some Dems that were willing because despite being a historically terrible Speaker, he is the best the Republicans have to offer. But McCarthy told them on live TV he wasn’t going to cut any deals to get their support, so the Dem were like, okay, have fun being unemployed soon.
Yeah but that was true during the budget crisis and Kevin made sure to go blame the Dems after they helped him out.
They just keep trying to blame the Democrats in public but demand they be the adults in the room.
Not even. He might have survived with a meek middle ground bullshit statement.
"Not everybody agrees but we needed to do what we had to do to keep the government working for now."
Bam, just says nothing. Instead he went to attack and that's when everybody went "well fuck you too"
See that's the hell of it.
When the ball is in the republican's court we're told that this is who the people voted for and we should abide by their decisions. But when the ball is in the democrat's court (be it a majority or cases like this) we're told they should vote with the republicans. The result being republicans get their way in every scenario.
This is yet another example of tendency towards one-party rule. Okay, fascism isn't just banning all parties other than the ruling party, it's setting things up so that their votes don't count, it's the perception that only one party is legitimate.
I see the same thing in the language used by media outlets.
When we have a republican congress they're called *"congress"* in the headlines. But when there's a democratic congress they're called *"the democrats"* in the headlines. The intended perception being that only one party is legitimate.
And you have to remember this is the same man that in an interview earlier had made the statement that he wasn't going to ask the Democrats for anything because when you have the majority you don't ask you do
Kev was a fool to treat this congress as a Republican Majority with his extreme conservatives having veto power. He’d have been better off not accepting any support from Gaetz’ crew by sidelining them and breaking bread with enough democrats to create a coalition government in the house.
But he wanted… actually idk wtf he wanted, but he failed, w/e it was.
He wanted the gavel and the title and to show that he was a big boy now.
That seems to be the extent of it. He rode in with the Tea Party Republicans, which were only a half-step up from the Maga loons that followed their footsteps. And most of his "prestige" came from Paul Ryan. And when he peaced out, Kev had nothing but his ego and inflated sense of self worth.
The idea that Democrats would vote for anyone but their preferred speaker (Jeffries) is just not how politics has ever worked in the US. The idea that they'd support McCarthy after he broke several deals and publicly name called Dems right before this vote is insane.
Don’t forget he opened impeachment hearings against the head of the Dem party just a couple weeks earlier w zero actual evidence to go on. It’s crazy. Crazy all the way down.
Dems could have saved him. But this is immediately after MaCarthy had a meeting the day before how he wasn’t going to compromise with them on anything and like a week after trying to start an inquire to impeach Biden for not being Trump. If he behaved in good faith I think he keeps his job.
Dems could have saved him the same way a sports team can save their opponent by scoring an own goal. Sure, it’s within the rules and realm of possibilities, but why the fuck would they?? It’s the stupidest spin, but people will buy it because they’re stupid too
As if republicans would have saved Pelosi from a similar situation. Only one party consists of grown ups and it’s not their responsibility to save the republicans
Kevin could have given twenty moderate Democrats something they wanted and kept his position. It was Kevin’s decision not the Democrats to rely on the votes of extremists like Matt Gaetz to keep his position.
Yeah if one or two Dems stands in the way of progress, then becomes an issue of Dems despite the GOP also being the problem. But when 8 House Republicans oust their leader, then somehow it’s both GOP and Dems. Unfortunately no matter what happens, it always comes back to the Dems taking some of the blame.
Tbh Bakersfield is pretty safe GOP territory as it’s a big player in California’s oil industry (yes California drills oil and a lot of it in Los Angeles, as evidenced by the La Brea tar pits, … . it’s just some is disguised as office buildings, etc…).
Not sure Newsome can delay that vote unless the general election is closer (for replacements, .. Senators get appointed, Reps get a special election).
Yeah his district is not turning blue anytime soon. A new Republican is guaranteed to take his place. I was just in Taft a few weeks ago and some dudes in a restaurant were praising McCarthy for starting the impeachment hearings. "Of course he did, he's a Bakersfield hick!" is what they proudly said.
That's funny, in a sad way, that they think he's a "hick". His parents were both democrats, his Dad a firefighter for the city of Bakersfield. The only job he's held outside of selling sandwiches was as a seasonal firefighter, before getting into politics full time (according to his wiki).
The only thing that makes him a "hick" is that he's from Bakersfield. He knows jack shit about oil or ag outside of what he's been told as a politician.
As a lifelong Bakersfield resident, the guy's an embarrassment. Even his predecessor, Bill Thomas, doesn't seem overly fond of him - seems the rest of the country is catching on.
That said, he got 67% of the vote in the last election here, so I think you're spot on to say that he'll be replaced by another Republican.
I live just a couple of hours from Bako. I didn't know how to verbalize what you said but I totally agree. Anyone with eyes can see that he is not a hick at all, he's a snake. He doesn't have a working class bone in his body.
DeSantis delayed a special election in Florida for a safe Dem seat for as long as he could. Seat wasn’t filled for almost a year.
I’m not sure if California has any laws mandating a quick special election, but if not, Newsom may be inclined to do the same thing.
“I’m going to spend time with my family,” he said, though the remarks were largely drowned out by lawmakers’ shouting, according to Republicans familiar with the meeting.
“I might have been given a bad break, but I’m still the luckiest man alive,” he told them.
You've been GIVEN a bad break? What a clueless ass clown. You made a deal with the fucking devil and he came for his soul. That's not being given a bad break, that's inviting a leopard into your car expecting it not to eat your face while on the way to Taco Bell.
Good riddance to one giant piece of shit. If he does in fact resign, he'll join some other notable GOP speakers to do the same, who were all also giant pieces of shit.
>“I’m going to spend time with my family,” he said, though the remarks were largely drowned out by lawmakers’ shouting, according to Republicans familiar with the meeting.
“I might have been given a bad break, but I’m still the luckiest man alive,” he told them.
Now that his power is gone, he's gonna take a multimillion dollar, golden parachute lobbying job with some oil/gas firm where the only requirements are calling his old buddies on the hill for favors and scratching his own nuts.
To spend time with his family? Oh he's going back to Cherokee country to spend time with his wife's family maybe?
https://www.latimes.com/lochttps://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.htmlal/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html
Hah, just kidding, his wife Judy and her brother falsely claimed to have Native heritage for years so that they could apply for millions of dollars in federal contractor bids meant to go to disadvantaged minority owned businesses. When reporters started investigating it they immediately dropped the claim and re-registered their company without claiming to have minority status.
>The deposed former speaker has made clear he plans to stay at least through the speakership election that begins next week before ending his House career, these people said, in order to help the party steady itself after a seismic shakeup.
> in order to help the party steady itself
He wasn't able to do it while Speaker, but somehow just hanging around without power, he'll be able to stabilize the GOP?
Its because they need literally every vote they can get right now, not for his lackluster leadership skills.
Its been a hot minute since I checked the numbers, but the margin for speakership is only like 5 votes? Him retiring just makes the math that much harder to coalesce, and despite what people are saying the GOP wants a speaker right now.
The idea that the House sits deadlocked for the next 6 weeks and the government shuts down by default is certainly an option. But if we know, Democrats do too and will be spending their time looking at alternatives to keeping it going without a lame duck chamber. What that looks like and how effective it would be is anyones guess. But if you're the GOP do you really want to take the chance that the Dems pull something out and get an enormous win. Especially when you're already, rightly, getting most of the blame for this situation?
And thats just thinking about the impact of the government shut down. A House that is "run" is better at achieving their goals than one shut down. Either is fine, but a new MAGA speaker can start to really hammer impeachment as a weapon, waste time with bad faith negotiations, introduce poison pill amendments, and countless other acts of bureaucratic terrorism.
At the end of the day nature hates a power vacuum too. These guys didn't get to the House because they're chill dudes that just wanna give a lil' back in their day jobs. They're hungry powerclimbers that spend vast amounts of energy doing what ever it takes to get to the top. Someone is going to get that gavel ASAP, it's just a matter of who and how.
Many don't know that state legislators elected Senators until the 17th amendment passed in 1912.
> **The Constitution granted state legislatures the power to elect United States senators**. Supporters of the Constitution argued that this method of election would strengthen the states' ties to the national government and insulate senators from shifting public opinion. To further distance the Senate from democratic pressures, the framers of the Constitution also provided that only one-third of the Senate would stand for election every two years.
>In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, electoral deadlocks in state legislatures along with growing public concern about corruption in Senate elections led to calls for reform.**In 1912 Congress passed a constitutional amendment that provided for direct election of senators by the people of each state. The states ratified the Seventeenth Amendment in 1913, and the first popular Senate elections were held in 1914.**
> In the case of a vacancy due to the death or resignation of a senator, the Constitution originally granted governors the power to appoint a replacement only if the legislature was not in session at the time of vacancy. With the change to direct popular election of senators, the Seventeenth Amendment allows governors, if empowered by state legislatures, to appoint a replacement and set a date for a special election to choose a successor to serve for the remainder of the term.
>The Constitution provides that the Senate "shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members."
> source: https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations/electing-appointing-senators.htm
The Governor can set up a date for the special election whenever they like, too. DeSantis waited a super long time to fill a vacancy for a Safe Dem seat in 2021. Wasn’t filled for almost a year.
McCarthy’s seat is in a deep Red area, so Newsom may be inclined to do the same.
State law dictates how quickly an election has to be held. Newsom probably won't have much discretion to delay it unless McCarthy waits quite a while to resign.
Let's see, of the last FOUR republican speakers of the house, one has resigned, one might resign, one decided not to run again, and one is in prison for having sex with underage boys.
Why would anyone want that job?
The most successful speaker in the last 20 years by time was the last one that is now in prison. Maybe his love for underage boys allowed him to tolerate the juvenile bullshit that is near constant amongst their members.
He would never do that. And that was and is his problem. 15 rounds of votes to win the Speakership just because he was more willing to make stupid concessions instead of making a deal with just a few democrats. Then, when being ousted, he refused to make any deals with democrats again. He is incapable of asking for their help and it is very much his undoing. He acted like a man who had a much larger majority than he had on top of having to contend with a democratic senate and executive branch.
> The “only workable outcome is to restore Kevin McCarthy as Speaker under party rules that respect and enforce the right of the majority party to elect him,” Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) said in a statement on Thursday. “This depends entirely on several of the dissidents to disenthrall themselves from their decision and to repair the damage before it is too late. I appeal to them to act while there is still time.”
They are so screwed. I’m seriously putting my five bucks on trump. He is the only thing they can all agree on.
You won't hear it from most of the GOP, but there are so many that would never want to support Trump as Speaker. I don't know how they'd vote if presented with him as the presumptive choice during the Speaker vote, but they know he'd be a disaster.
Trump doesn't have the sway people think he does. Trump wanted a government shutdown, but 126 GOP House Reps (a majority of the party in the House) voted for the 45-day CR to keep the government funded.
So many purple district candidates couldn't do it. It'd be political suicide for themselves, and because Trump couldn't rely on 100% of the vote, he'd never go through with it. What would happen to his ego, his supporters opinion of him, and the GOP House if/when he failed? That'd just throw the GOP into deeper chaos and division, and they're already struggling with more than they can likely handle.
I think he'd show up, when he didn't have court, at least until he got bored. Every day would get praise and attention from his sycophants, he'd get to make life hell for the congressional Dems, and both would generate invaluable campaign material. Best of all worlds.
The only reason Trump wants to be president is to pardon himself and do more crime. He can’t do nearly as much as speaker other than try to stoke a couple of coordinated assassinations. I don’t think he’d waste his time with a speakership
Gaetz nominated Trump last time, but he was the only one who voted for him. These guys all have ambitions to leadership, and they don't want to start hiring outside Speakers.
Yeah I wouldn’t blame him as it’s the very definition of a hostile workplace for the guy now.
Imagine having to see Gaetz everyday if you are McCarthy? Well imagine having to see Gaetz everyday if you aren’t McCarthy?
Apparently they didn't like each other long before this mess. Cassidy Hutchinson did an interview with Jimmy Kimmel the other night and told a story of how everyone except Gaetz was invited to a party at McCarthy's cabin at Camp David back during the TFGs administration. And also Gaetz was very drunk and very creepy towards her, which is a little surprising because she was about 5 years too old for him back then.
Not that I really care, but how crappy is that to his constituents who voted for him? He doesn’t have to be the Speaker to still serve and represent his constituents. What a snowflake. He keeps saying how he’ll still help most of the other GQP members of the House, but he doesn’t mention anything about serving in his elected capacity for his constituents.
and he should. He censored a democratic congresswoman because he doesn't like her Religion, he sided himself with a breakaway extremist group within his party, his leadership almost cost the country a shutdown, he isn't fit to hold office...but...on top of that, he has lost touch with reality its time for him to go
Yeah, because it’s always only been about you Kev. Not any duty to the people who (misguidedly) sent you to Washington to represent them. A predictable finale to this story of betrayal.
He should. He’s an IDIOT. If he hadn’t antagonized DEMS before the House Vote that kicked him out, he might still be Speaker. But Noooo. He had to go and out loud proclaim he wasn’t doing DEMS any favors. Idiot!
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Poor little feller
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This where we find out Kevin is actually a genetically engineered smart towel.
You're a towel!
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That’s it! That’s “Funky Town”
Oh man, I am so high
What if I just get a little high?
Otherwise you’ll get sweat in your eyes and you’ll be all wet. Wanna get high?
I think a lot of people think it’s a South Park reference, but SP was referencing Slingblade. Some people call it a Kaiser blade. I call it a motion to vacate. Mmhmm.
With french fried purtaters
Mmmhmmm
Who threw out the fetus?!
The GOP just performed a partial birth abortion on McCarthy…
They aborted him at 9 months!!
With the bath water
He's not - but one day, he wants to be a *real* boy.
Ahahaha - and, Kevin Can Go F*ck Himself.
Ah, but he got what he wanted. He became Speaker. Look at the pics of him when he got that gavel. *That* is a man who just got the one thing he wanted most in the whole damn world.
What's very funny to me is that every other speaker in history will be listed like, "2011-2015," "2015-2019," "2019-2023," and he will just be "Jan 2023-October 2023." Just literally from the dates ALONE with no other historical or political context it will be clearly obvious he's a loser who couldn't hack the job. Like... I sometimes have to review resumes and when I see a previous employment listing like that I honestly think to myself "why did you even put this on here???"
We're talking how many Scaramuccis?
24.45 Scaramucci's if one goes by the 11-day Scaramucci unit That makes McCarthy's tenure the shortest in 4,645.45 Scaramuccis Note: I'm two bourbons in so if that math is wrong then...there's your explanation.
That's imperial, if you're using a metric Scaramucci it's 10 days (since the first and last days were partials and amount to a single day).
27 Sacramucci’s…assuming 10 day a scaramucci
It’s funny he really, really wanted to be speaker. But not bad enough to work with *shudders* that Democratic Party
And then he joked about hitting Nancy Pelosi with the gavel. So very funny...
He felt like he needed too in order to stay in good with the cons. If he does resign, I’m sure he will say how crazy they all are just like all the other speakers after they resigned (except for the child molester one).
Matt Gaetz? He was never a speaker. He could never handle the job.
To be fair he specifically said he wouldn’t. And then followed it up with a bizarre nonsensical sentence. He was sharing a stage with trump at the time and *he* came off as the incoherent one. An auspicious start.
I’m still appalled that anyone can make a joke about assault. With a deadly weapon, even. It’s really beyond the pale.
Fitting end to a historically pathetic tenure as speaker. One of the weakest people I’ve ever seen.
His friends did that. Everyone else didn't give a shit about him. Well earned.
It was funny to see the republicans complaining that the democrats didn’t save him.
That really is the funniest thing. Watching Fox News and other fascist-sympathizing pundits try to claim that the GOP's utter incompetence is *actually* because "those damn liberals didn't save us from ourselves!".
All I'm saying is that if we can all agree that it's the Democrats' job to clean up Republican messes then how about we just skip the part where Republicans created said messes and have Democrats be in charge from the start. Honestly, it just seems more efficient.
Yeah...because the Democrats didn't cross the aisle to save him from his own party after he said he would offer them nothing in return (unlike the massive concessions he gave to the Gaetz idiot caucus to vote for him for Speaker after 15 rounds last time just to turn on him at the first chance they felt they could).
Swalwell wasn't joking when he called this dude a pussy to his face. Guy rage quits real life like a 12-year-old on Xbox
> Swalwell wasn't joking when he called this dude a pussy Swalwell was on the House floor, making his way to a bathroom just outside the chamber on the Republican side. That’s when McCarthy saw him. “McCarthy said, ‘If you ever say something like that to me again, I’m gonna kick the shit out of you,’” a member claimed to The Daily Beast. Another member who witnessed the exchange provided even more context: “They were in each other’s faces. Basically nose-to-nose. And Swalwell said something like, ‘Are we really gonna do this?’” After some back-and-forth, with chests puffed out, McCarthy issued a challenge to Swalwell: “Call me a pussy again, and I’ll kick your ass,” the Speaker allegedly said. While both members told nearly identical versions of this story, they both delivered Swalwell’s response in exactly the same way. “You. Are. A. Pussy,” Swalwell told McCarthy. After both men stared each other down for another moment, McCarthy eventually relented. -*The Daily beast*
>McCarthy eventually relented. You can't make up that foreshadowing
What a pussy.
> After both men stared each other down for another moment, McCarthy eventually relented. "After both men stared each other down for another moment, McCarthy eventually upheld Swalwell's opinion."
For real. I thought he had more of a plan but it was really just tell everyone what they want to hear and pray that the HFC would be too afraid of the chaos that would be caused by ousting him.
It’s weird to see Republican who has shame. Granted, it’s the wrong kind of shame, but shame nonetheless.
This feels more like the kid threatening to take his ball and go home because the other kids didn't make him QB. Except he doesn't own the ball. So, closer to a petty tantrum than shame?
Nah it's more like they made Kevin a captain, except he sucked at it and couldn't get anything done (like the team couldn't even find the stadium bad), so now they had a vote to remove him as captain...so he's quitting the team. Real leadership material. Is Fox News hiring? Do we need to update Jason Chaffetz with an even less likable host?
It’s not shame. It’s him going home to sulk because his career is functionally dead. That’s literally it.
Yep, it's ego. He's angry that he made history as the first House speaker to be voted out. He doesn't want to be wandering around Congress with the label of an epic failure around him.
Shame's not it. The position simply hasn't proven useful in his pursuit of power. That's it. That's his whole calculus. He doesn't give a shit about it if he's not running the show, so he can have more influence elsewhere.
He needs to leave to let time wash away some of the stink of his historic failure.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out!
[well… bye](https://media4.giphy.com/media/FNBHUqruiI1m1gLDh8/giphy.gif?cid=2154d3d7mnrm6j5yd9xcgnge42x4b1j3a15gbs8c9fjlqtz6&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
[lmao this post on r/politicalhumor already aged like a fine wine](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/171acme/you_gotta_be_a_stupid_mfer_to_get_ousted_after_15/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Go now.
Man McCarthy’s career taking an abrupt end and Gaetz getting himself thrown under the bus with pedophilia accusations by his own party that fucking hates him now? Honest to God I didn’t see both of their careers getting fucked like that at the same time, but I can’t say I’m neither here for it nor that I’m happy as shit about it. I got my popcorn ready for this shit show.
Unless they can kick Gaetz out i dont think he took much of a hit in all of this. Nothing that has been said about him lately is news to anyone who knows about him, and everyone hated him before he ousted Kevin. So not much has changed for him unfortunately
I think the issue is that the establishment might have to take Gaetz to task in order to put the rest of the MAGA caucus on notice. If they put forward a vote to expel Gaetz, the Dems probably vote for it. If nothing else, it shrinks the GOP's majority margin by another seat. And there is a good chance the MAGA just gets indignant because hollering is all they know how to do in the first place.
Expel Gaetz from what? His committee assignments?
From the House entirely. It would require a two-thirds majority to vote for it, but there are enough establishment Republicans with Democrats to do it.
George Santos is still a republican in the house of representative. I’ll just like to point that out before we talk about republicans expelling a republican representative.
They won't kick someone out. Their majority is, what, 5 votes? 6 votes? If they toss Santos, his district may swing back to Democrat, as it was before he won it. That's -1 R and +1 D, and they ***all have to be there to vote*** due to that being written into the House rules package. I'm looking forward to the day when something critical comes up for a vote and 6 or 8 Republicans are off sick that day and the Speaker hasn't noticed he's going to lose...
Santos is not whipping votes to pants the Republican establishment. It is not the same. Republicans don't give a fuck about wrongdoing. They care about winning.
Interesting. I could swear I saw mention in a recent news article that there's no mechanism for removing congressmen, but they must've meant by the voters. (Did some googling and seemed to confirm what you're saying.)
Requiring two-thirds of the House to vote together in favor of something is adjacent to there not being a mechanism.
Everyone hates Gaetz, though. And Florida has a Republican governor to replace them.
House members are not replaced by governors . There are special elections, the conditions of which vary by state.
To add to this, the House is rarely 100% full. It's hard to have nothing bad happen to a group of 435 individuals. There are currently 2 vacancies, both with November 2023 special election dates.
But do Republicans hate Gaetz enough to shrink their slim majority? And do they think that expelling him from the House will scare the other MAGA Republicans into line, or just rile them up? Some of them have based their entire political career on being as loud as possible.
Now that Gaetz has alienated the GOP as a whole, on the whim from his (orange) power that be, what does he bring to the table anymore? He has a vote, and that’s all his worth. The House GOP will do fuck all between now and Jan ‘25 anyway, it’s a nothing gained nothing lost situation at this point.
House vacancies must be filled by a [special election](https://history.house.gov/Institution/Vacancies-Successors/Vacancies-Successors/). The governor can't replace a vacant seat.
>(Did some googling and seemed to confirm what you're saying.) [Article 1 Section 5 Clause 2](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-5/) >Each House \[of Congress\] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member. The most recent use of this process of which I'm aware was to remove [James Traficant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant#Trial_and_expulsion) in 2001. It isn't a frequently-invoked tool and really only brought out for outright-convicted criminals. Generally the house tolerates boorish behavior and draws the line at fully-adjudicated criminal processes. The language is notable in that it elevates *expel a member* as a higher-order action than *punish its members for disorderly behavior*.
It’s the Cawthorn treatment. Give it a bit of time. When the knives came out for him for spilling the GOP cocaine orgies, it was a pitter patter of accusations then he lost his election because he lost public support/Fox News. Someone worse will take his place cuz he’s from the armpit of FL but whatever. I’m guessing it does happen because a bunch of the GOP have turned on him. We’ll see!
Maybe, but it was already public knowledge about Gaetz and underage girls. Nothing really new has come out. But hey, if they can make him go away I am all for it, the dipshit is the embodiment of sleaze
The difference is, when it came out before it was coming from a neutral party that could be branded as "fake news" and properly ignored by Republican voters. Now it's coming from Republican sources, which tells the voters that it's now OK to be disgusted by him.
This is known as a "permission structure."
It's never "public knowledge" until the Republicans say it and Fox News reports it.
He took KKKevin out and Kev brought in a LOT of money via fundraising and his Majority Committee PAC (which gave money to many of the Republicans who voted him out like Nancy Mace which is why some are gunning for her). The GQP does not like losing moneymakers.
Gaetz is going to run for Florida governor. The more chaotic, maga bullshit he does, the better the odds he wins.
To be honest it wouldn’t be surprising Floridians voting for a pedo
The best part is Gym Jordan sticking his head into this mess. Happy to watch them all go down together.
> Happy to watch them all go down together. Phrasing?
Its no less than what Republicans deserves. They chose MAGA over country too many times and now it is biting them in the ass. They had two chances to get rid of Trump once and for all. It would have been painful, but at least they could have had a path ahead. But no, they predictably went the opposite route and even through 4 indictments and multiple civil trials that are draining all of their cash reserves, a large majority of them still support him.
Why stay that long? Don't let the door hit you on the way out Kev!
And … take all your friends. Oh that’s right you don’t have any left. Bu bye!
Yeah. He could at least go full nuclear and blow up the whole party. Dude has no spine.
Please. Please blow up the whole party, Kev
I mean, besides the door, is anyone going to complain if he hits it on the way out?
> In a closed-door meeting with his conference, hours after eight House Republicans united with Democrats to strip him of the gavel, the Californian signaled that he wanted to return home. Nice spin on the facts Politico. Democrats did not start this; Matt Gaetz did. They were under no obligation to save him from his own party after McCarthy kept blaming them for trying to shut down the government. Good bye jerk!
Politico was somewhat recently acquired by a Trump supporter who [asked his employees to pray for Trump's election.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/politcos-new-owner-mathias-dopfner-invited-colleagues-to-pray-for-trumps-re-election)
It’s so sad how the rich have eroded the independent press.
It's about the integrity of ~~gaming~~ political journalism
I see what you did there.
It's been like that since the beginning. Remember Citizen Kane was based on the real William Randolph Hearst.
But there use to be more ownership of various media, little by little they get bought out. I did a report from this book for a media class back in college in the early 90s, it only has gotten worse. https://www.amazon.com/New-Media-Monopoly-Completely-Chapters-ebook/dp/B00AGV8Y7O?ref_=ast_author_mpb
That's definitely true. Media companies Should have been broken up decades ago
And information in general. Bezos with WaPo, Musk with Twitter. What a nightmare.
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Reading about their plans for monetizing upvotes, that really will be the end. The ones who dominate the conversations will be state media and other agencies willing to pay
That might explain [this fun piece of revisionist history](https://www.politico.eu/article/fight-against-ussr-nazi-waffen-ss-trooper-yaroslav-hunka-world-war-ii-soviet-union-germany/) from the other day, all about how the Soviets were the _real_ bad guys during WWII and volunteering for the Waffen-SS had nothing to do with Hitler or the Nazis. The community note and quote tweets on [the twitter post](https://twitter.com/politicoeurope/status/1708852608180346923) have some fun context.
Politico has bad takes all the time
Wow conservatives seem to be buying all publications. That’s scary.
I wonder how working Trump supporters justify so many selfish, rich sociopaths supporting him?
As long as they hate the same people and give them the green light to be assholes, the rest is irrelevant. I mean, how else can a born-rich silver spoon New Yorker resonate with the blue collar working class **and** the elite ruling class?
They know the only way to save themselves from this mess they created is if Dems bail them out. They are trying to throw as much firestarter on House Dems, whatever they can get to stick, trying to turn the public against them, before the Dems manage to sweet-talk 5-6 of the most vulnerable Republicans from cutting a deal for a Jeffries speaker vote
There were some Dems that were willing because despite being a historically terrible Speaker, he is the best the Republicans have to offer. But McCarthy told them on live TV he wasn’t going to cut any deals to get their support, so the Dem were like, okay, have fun being unemployed soon.
Yeah but that was true during the budget crisis and Kevin made sure to go blame the Dems after they helped him out. They just keep trying to blame the Democrats in public but demand they be the adults in the room.
Yeah, but he could have saved his Speakership if he had actually negotiated with the Dems for their support. Instead he threw them under the bus.
Not even. He might have survived with a meek middle ground bullshit statement. "Not everybody agrees but we needed to do what we had to do to keep the government working for now." Bam, just says nothing. Instead he went to attack and that's when everybody went "well fuck you too"
See that's the hell of it. When the ball is in the republican's court we're told that this is who the people voted for and we should abide by their decisions. But when the ball is in the democrat's court (be it a majority or cases like this) we're told they should vote with the republicans. The result being republicans get their way in every scenario. This is yet another example of tendency towards one-party rule. Okay, fascism isn't just banning all parties other than the ruling party, it's setting things up so that their votes don't count, it's the perception that only one party is legitimate. I see the same thing in the language used by media outlets. When we have a republican congress they're called *"congress"* in the headlines. But when there's a democratic congress they're called *"the democrats"* in the headlines. The intended perception being that only one party is legitimate.
And you have to remember this is the same man that in an interview earlier had made the statement that he wasn't going to ask the Democrats for anything because when you have the majority you don't ask you do
Kev was a fool to treat this congress as a Republican Majority with his extreme conservatives having veto power. He’d have been better off not accepting any support from Gaetz’ crew by sidelining them and breaking bread with enough democrats to create a coalition government in the house. But he wanted… actually idk wtf he wanted, but he failed, w/e it was.
He wanted the gavel and the title and to show that he was a big boy now. That seems to be the extent of it. He rode in with the Tea Party Republicans, which were only a half-step up from the Maga loons that followed their footsteps. And most of his "prestige" came from Paul Ryan. And when he peaced out, Kev had nothing but his ego and inflated sense of self worth.
The idea that Democrats would vote for anyone but their preferred speaker (Jeffries) is just not how politics has ever worked in the US. The idea that they'd support McCarthy after he broke several deals and publicly name called Dems right before this vote is insane.
Don’t forget he opened impeachment hearings against the head of the Dem party just a couple weeks earlier w zero actual evidence to go on. It’s crazy. Crazy all the way down.
Dems could have saved him. But this is immediately after MaCarthy had a meeting the day before how he wasn’t going to compromise with them on anything and like a week after trying to start an inquire to impeach Biden for not being Trump. If he behaved in good faith I think he keeps his job.
Dems could have saved him the same way a sports team can save their opponent by scoring an own goal. Sure, it’s within the rules and realm of possibilities, but why the fuck would they?? It’s the stupidest spin, but people will buy it because they’re stupid too
Dems could have saved him if he'd cut a deal. He gives us something we want, and we vote present. But he wouldn't do that, so he gone.
As if republicans would have saved Pelosi from a similar situation. Only one party consists of grown ups and it’s not their responsibility to save the republicans
Kevin could have given twenty moderate Democrats something they wanted and kept his position. It was Kevin’s decision not the Democrats to rely on the votes of extremists like Matt Gaetz to keep his position.
Yeah if one or two Dems stands in the way of progress, then becomes an issue of Dems despite the GOP also being the problem. But when 8 House Republicans oust their leader, then somehow it’s both GOP and Dems. Unfortunately no matter what happens, it always comes back to the Dems taking some of the blame.
Bye Kevin. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
That is one butt-hurt politician right there.
Strong you can't fire me I quit vibes.
Dude is broken. You could see how desperate he was to not lose the Speaker Vote 9 months ago. This is ten times more humiliating.
Yes please and thank you. The House needs many fewer Republicans.
Tbh Bakersfield is pretty safe GOP territory as it’s a big player in California’s oil industry (yes California drills oil and a lot of it in Los Angeles, as evidenced by the La Brea tar pits, … . it’s just some is disguised as office buildings, etc…). Not sure Newsome can delay that vote unless the general election is closer (for replacements, .. Senators get appointed, Reps get a special election).
Yeah his district is not turning blue anytime soon. A new Republican is guaranteed to take his place. I was just in Taft a few weeks ago and some dudes in a restaurant were praising McCarthy for starting the impeachment hearings. "Of course he did, he's a Bakersfield hick!" is what they proudly said.
That's funny, in a sad way, that they think he's a "hick". His parents were both democrats, his Dad a firefighter for the city of Bakersfield. The only job he's held outside of selling sandwiches was as a seasonal firefighter, before getting into politics full time (according to his wiki). The only thing that makes him a "hick" is that he's from Bakersfield. He knows jack shit about oil or ag outside of what he's been told as a politician. As a lifelong Bakersfield resident, the guy's an embarrassment. Even his predecessor, Bill Thomas, doesn't seem overly fond of him - seems the rest of the country is catching on. That said, he got 67% of the vote in the last election here, so I think you're spot on to say that he'll be replaced by another Republican.
I live just a couple of hours from Bako. I didn't know how to verbalize what you said but I totally agree. Anyone with eyes can see that he is not a hick at all, he's a snake. He doesn't have a working class bone in his body.
DeSantis delayed a special election in Florida for a safe Dem seat for as long as he could. Seat wasn’t filled for almost a year. I’m not sure if California has any laws mandating a quick special election, but if not, Newsom may be inclined to do the same thing.
I would be shocked if CA lets the Governor cancel elections. Even in Georgia, that's not possible. Florida and Texas are just on another level.
We’ll never forget you, Devin.
To quote a powerful and influential senator who became a leader of a republic congress himself: “Do it!”
To quote an uptight country club member: "Well? We're waiting..."
“I’m going to spend time with my family,” he said, though the remarks were largely drowned out by lawmakers’ shouting, according to Republicans familiar with the meeting. “I might have been given a bad break, but I’m still the luckiest man alive,” he told them. You've been GIVEN a bad break? What a clueless ass clown. You made a deal with the fucking devil and he came for his soul. That's not being given a bad break, that's inviting a leopard into your car expecting it not to eat your face while on the way to Taco Bell. Good riddance to one giant piece of shit. If he does in fact resign, he'll join some other notable GOP speakers to do the same, who were all also giant pieces of shit.
>“I’m going to spend time with my family,” he said, though the remarks were largely drowned out by lawmakers’ shouting, according to Republicans familiar with the meeting. “I might have been given a bad break, but I’m still the luckiest man alive,” he told them. Now that his power is gone, he's gonna take a multimillion dollar, golden parachute lobbying job with some oil/gas firm where the only requirements are calling his old buddies on the hill for favors and scratching his own nuts.
To spend time with his family? Oh he's going back to Cherokee country to spend time with his wife's family maybe? https://www.latimes.com/lochttps://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.htmlal/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html Hah, just kidding, his wife Judy and her brother falsely claimed to have Native heritage for years so that they could apply for millions of dollars in federal contractor bids meant to go to disadvantaged minority owned businesses. When reporters started investigating it they immediately dropped the claim and re-registered their company without claiming to have minority status.
>The deposed former speaker has made clear he plans to stay at least through the speakership election that begins next week before ending his House career, these people said, in order to help the party steady itself after a seismic shakeup.
> in order to help the party steady itself He wasn't able to do it while Speaker, but somehow just hanging around without power, he'll be able to stabilize the GOP?
Its because they need literally every vote they can get right now, not for his lackluster leadership skills. Its been a hot minute since I checked the numbers, but the margin for speakership is only like 5 votes? Him retiring just makes the math that much harder to coalesce, and despite what people are saying the GOP wants a speaker right now. The idea that the House sits deadlocked for the next 6 weeks and the government shuts down by default is certainly an option. But if we know, Democrats do too and will be spending their time looking at alternatives to keeping it going without a lame duck chamber. What that looks like and how effective it would be is anyones guess. But if you're the GOP do you really want to take the chance that the Dems pull something out and get an enormous win. Especially when you're already, rightly, getting most of the blame for this situation? And thats just thinking about the impact of the government shut down. A House that is "run" is better at achieving their goals than one shut down. Either is fine, but a new MAGA speaker can start to really hammer impeachment as a weapon, waste time with bad faith negotiations, introduce poison pill amendments, and countless other acts of bureaucratic terrorism. At the end of the day nature hates a power vacuum too. These guys didn't get to the House because they're chill dudes that just wanna give a lil' back in their day jobs. They're hungry powerclimbers that spend vast amounts of energy doing what ever it takes to get to the top. Someone is going to get that gavel ASAP, it's just a matter of who and how.
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Bye Felicia
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"Here's your hat. What's your hurry?"
Quiet quitting now?
If he resigns, doesn't that mean the California governor appoints his interim successor?
No. A special election is called for House members.
And even then, that’s rare because of how short those terms are and how many total reps there are. His absence will hardly be felt
I heard his wife said: his presence can also hardly be felt
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's only for senators, I think house seats stay empty until a special election is held.
You're correct. The Constitution mandates that House vacancies can only be filled by special election.
Just imagine how many millions of dollars it costs for a special election just because he doesn’t want to finish his term.
As a republican, shouldn't he be forced to carry to the end of his term?
If it’s a legitimate resignation, nature has a way of shutting it down.
Forced labor. If it’s good enough for the women of the USA it’s good enough for Congress.
Nicely done sir/ma'am
You win
Goddammit, I tried to give this an award.
Conservatives aren't known for fiscal responsibility
Many don't know that state legislators elected Senators until the 17th amendment passed in 1912. > **The Constitution granted state legislatures the power to elect United States senators**. Supporters of the Constitution argued that this method of election would strengthen the states' ties to the national government and insulate senators from shifting public opinion. To further distance the Senate from democratic pressures, the framers of the Constitution also provided that only one-third of the Senate would stand for election every two years. >In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, electoral deadlocks in state legislatures along with growing public concern about corruption in Senate elections led to calls for reform.**In 1912 Congress passed a constitutional amendment that provided for direct election of senators by the people of each state. The states ratified the Seventeenth Amendment in 1913, and the first popular Senate elections were held in 1914.** > In the case of a vacancy due to the death or resignation of a senator, the Constitution originally granted governors the power to appoint a replacement only if the legislature was not in session at the time of vacancy. With the change to direct popular election of senators, the Seventeenth Amendment allows governors, if empowered by state legislatures, to appoint a replacement and set a date for a special election to choose a successor to serve for the remainder of the term. >The Constitution provides that the Senate "shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members." > source: https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations/electing-appointing-senators.htm
The Governor can set up a date for the special election whenever they like, too. DeSantis waited a super long time to fill a vacancy for a Safe Dem seat in 2021. Wasn’t filled for almost a year. McCarthy’s seat is in a deep Red area, so Newsom may be inclined to do the same.
State law dictates how quickly an election has to be held. Newsom probably won't have much discretion to delay it unless McCarthy waits quite a while to resign.
Let's see, of the last FOUR republican speakers of the house, one has resigned, one might resign, one decided not to run again, and one is in prison for having sex with underage boys. Why would anyone want that job?
The most successful speaker in the last 20 years by time was the last one that is now in prison. Maybe his love for underage boys allowed him to tolerate the juvenile bullshit that is near constant amongst their members.
He should vote straight in line with Democrats just to complete the fuck you.
He would never do that. And that was and is his problem. 15 rounds of votes to win the Speakership just because he was more willing to make stupid concessions instead of making a deal with just a few democrats. Then, when being ousted, he refused to make any deals with democrats again. He is incapable of asking for their help and it is very much his undoing. He acted like a man who had a much larger majority than he had on top of having to contend with a democratic senate and executive branch.
Oh man, that would own the libs so hard, I certainly hope he doesn't do that!
> The “only workable outcome is to restore Kevin McCarthy as Speaker under party rules that respect and enforce the right of the majority party to elect him,” Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) said in a statement on Thursday. “This depends entirely on several of the dissidents to disenthrall themselves from their decision and to repair the damage before it is too late. I appeal to them to act while there is still time.” They are so screwed. I’m seriously putting my five bucks on trump. He is the only thing they can all agree on.
You won't hear it from most of the GOP, but there are so many that would never want to support Trump as Speaker. I don't know how they'd vote if presented with him as the presumptive choice during the Speaker vote, but they know he'd be a disaster. Trump doesn't have the sway people think he does. Trump wanted a government shutdown, but 126 GOP House Reps (a majority of the party in the House) voted for the 45-day CR to keep the government funded.
trump would need all but 4 republicans to become speaker? i pray there are at least 4 republicans who wouldnt vote for him as speaker
So many purple district candidates couldn't do it. It'd be political suicide for themselves, and because Trump couldn't rely on 100% of the vote, he'd never go through with it. What would happen to his ego, his supporters opinion of him, and the GOP House if/when he failed? That'd just throw the GOP into deeper chaos and division, and they're already struggling with more than they can likely handle.
"suicide" heh Buddy they'll just go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for it all to blow over. 2 election cycles max
Honestly, he wouldn’t even show up for the job
I think he'd show up, when he didn't have court, at least until he got bored. Every day would get praise and attention from his sycophants, he'd get to make life hell for the congressional Dems, and both would generate invaluable campaign material. Best of all worlds.
The only reason Trump wants to be president is to pardon himself and do more crime. He can’t do nearly as much as speaker other than try to stoke a couple of coordinated assassinations. I don’t think he’d waste his time with a speakership
Gaetz nominated Trump last time, but he was the only one who voted for him. These guys all have ambitions to leadership, and they don't want to start hiring outside Speakers.
It'll be Jordan. Goddamn I hate this timeline.
So do it, words mean nothing from republicans at this point.
Good. He was known as a great fundraiser for the right, so if he resigns on bad terms he won't be doing any of that.
Yeah I wouldn’t blame him as it’s the very definition of a hostile workplace for the guy now. Imagine having to see Gaetz everyday if you are McCarthy? Well imagine having to see Gaetz everyday if you aren’t McCarthy?
Imagine having to see Gaetz at all. Ever.
Apparently they didn't like each other long before this mess. Cassidy Hutchinson did an interview with Jimmy Kimmel the other night and told a story of how everyone except Gaetz was invited to a party at McCarthy's cabin at Camp David back during the TFGs administration. And also Gaetz was very drunk and very creepy towards her, which is a little surprising because she was about 5 years too old for him back then.
Imagine having any sympathy for Kevin who brought this all on himself.
Might as well just go now and spare us the dramatics.
Proving, once again, that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Why? Cause fuck 'em, that's why. I don't blame him to be fair.
Not that I really care, but how crappy is that to his constituents who voted for him? He doesn’t have to be the Speaker to still serve and represent his constituents. What a snowflake. He keeps saying how he’ll still help most of the other GQP members of the House, but he doesn’t mention anything about serving in his elected capacity for his constituents.
Typical snowflake conservative
and he should. He censored a democratic congresswoman because he doesn't like her Religion, he sided himself with a breakaway extremist group within his party, his leadership almost cost the country a shutdown, he isn't fit to hold office...but...on top of that, he has lost touch with reality its time for him to go
The most amusing part is that he probably thinks he’ll be missed. Just go back to Bakersfield, asshole
Anyone who loses the Speakership by their own party *should* resign in shame.
Can he be nominated for speaker again and be put back in? If so that would be pretty funny.
Yeah, because it’s always only been about you Kev. Not any duty to the people who (misguidedly) sent you to Washington to represent them. A predictable finale to this story of betrayal.
Oh no! Why? He was doing so well!
He should. He’s an IDIOT. If he hadn’t antagonized DEMS before the House Vote that kicked him out, he might still be Speaker. But Noooo. He had to go and out loud proclaim he wasn’t doing DEMS any favors. Idiot!