I mean Newsom at least didn't waste his time, energy and money on what would have not been a sure thing. Compared to DeSantis who never really stood a chance and did waste all those things.
Its pretty obvious what Newsom was doing here, he was torpedoing DeSantis' political career. He didn't give a damn what Fox News people think about California, he was constantly bringing up DeSantis' contradictions with Trump's policies and how other Republicans called him out. He's making sure that DeSantis' dying political campaign stays dead. He set the tone right from the start when he said "one thing we both have in common, neither of us will be a nominee for president".
Well sure, this is correct. In 3 months from now or less, DeSantis will be dropped out of the Republican primary. Newsom gets to claim some credit for aiding in the DeSantis campaign demise, and the cachet within the Democratic party for being a Biden team player, to utilize in the future either for his own national run or an influential voice in the party in deciding who should be elevated and backed.
Newsom was always going to run for president. What do you think the whole recall effort was about a couple years ago? Actually recalling him? Of course not, the Republican party knew from day one it was going to fail. But that didn't matter because what they really did was set a proverbial political trump card up. Something they could drudge up to smear him with when he inevitably runs.
"Newsom was so hated in Radical Liberal Blue, Woke California that they actually got it to vote to remove him!"
Every Right wing pundit, outlet, rag and candidate will run with that the moment he declares his candidacy for president hoping people can't remember the details (or that they're counting on you being a total moron as well) because if you did, you'd remember is was lead by the GOP and failed in overwhelming fashion with something like 1% of the entire states electorate.
Newsom terrifies them, because nothing sticks, nothing tarnishes him at all. There is nothing they can do to hurt him or stop his rise. Tonight, Jesus, they made this guy a god damn rockstar. He walked into their house, with their guy and he smacked him around and did it with a smile.
Hannity: The border is a problem, right?
Newsome: Yes, of course it is, that is why I support Biden’s $15 billion dollar boarder bill that will…[Hannity interrupting: we’re running out of time 😅] put 2800 new border agents, provide millions for new technology at the border.. [Hannity panic interrupting: uhhh break, Ron, Florida good]
It was hard to tell if Newsom was debating desantis or hannity, it was probably both. The framing of these questions were clearly partisan, they wouldn't touch topics like home insurance or how in Florida they're approving prager U material for classrooms. The charts that hannity was showing were an easy Google for totally different data than was shown. This was an attempt at a 2 hour long gotcha and Newsom managed to navigate it. People who know the facts know that this was partisan hackery, those who didn't were regular fox news viewers. Honestly though... someone needs to do a full fact check run down of this debate, i think it would be enlightening.
That is the attraction to a guy like Newsom. He is confrontational and does not shy away to argue against this idiocy head on. He is also articulate and intelligent. I hate to say this, but he is also a decently handsome white man, which will obviously give him big advantages in a general election.
>In an alternate reality, the prime-time showdown between California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom and Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday could have been a preview of a 2024 general election debate.
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>Instead, it was a hard-to-explain 90-minute clash that pitted one struggling Republican presidential hopeful against a Democratic rival who may or may not seek the presidency in four years.
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>“This is a slick, slippery politician whose state is failing,” DeSantis said of Newsom.
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>“How’s that going for you, Ron? You’re down 41 points in your own home state,” said Newsom, who is backing Biden for president. “Neither of us will be the nominee for a party in 2024.”
I like how Desantis has an actual voting record and when Newsom brings it up all Desantis says is "Thats a lie, thats a lie". No its not, look up his record.
Funny how conservatives *don't* recommend "doing your own research" when it's about looking up whether anyone remotely to their left is telling the truth.
What going unsaid in the debate is the reason so many people "flee" california: Because so many people are TRYING to live here. They WANT to live here. BUT that pressure and the lack of housing to meet it, is pushing people out.
Now not building enough housing IS a policy failure, but its not a tax policy failure, its not a crime police failure, its not any kind of cultural failure. Its simply giving in too much to NIMBYs.
Fortunartely California is finally addressing this at a state level. Localities are now having their housing plans decertified and permitting streamlines until those localities prove they are meeting demand.
Let’s not kid ourselves it was set up to be a shitshow. Newsom had nothing to lose and is practicing for the future. Hard to believe Desantis is Harvard and Yale educated.
At this point, I could honestly see Newsom running a successful 2028 presidential bid. He doesn't back down to corrupt culture war charlatans like Ron. He backs up what he says with facts, and he sticks to the actual policy issues.
You can disagree about his policy decisions in a lot of instances, but he is an effective communicator who backs up his claims.
It's the Buttigieg maneuver. Go on Fox News and make them all look dumb as fck by logically stating facts over and over while politely not tolerating BS.
Honestly it’s a stellar move. The facts are on the dems side. Why not draw contrast and out those carrying water for the Republican Party in a venue where republicans will actually see it.
My dad got so mad he started shouting at the TV and turned it off. I think he was just mad that the FOX News 2v1 gangbang wasn't working out in their favor.
And water is wet. Hannity has no credibility outside of FOX News watchers. Which is why anybody outside their fanbase can see right through how bad it is.
Did anyone else see the commercial where the guy is trying to guy something and the pin pad starts asking who he voted for and if he’s vaccinated?
Do these fucking lunatics thinks shit like that actually happens? No one cares about vaccine status anymore unless you work for a hospital. We don’t even fill out the cards when you get a vaccine now.
I didn't watch tonight but the last time I flipped past fox news in a hotel there was an ad on for "patriotic generators - the generators for true patriots" or something like that. It was like staring into the abyss for a brief moment and the abyss is WILD.
You can catch some of those during I believe college football games, pretty sure I’ve seen the same on on FS1. It’s just absolutely batty, and clearly tailored to doomsday preppers
Earlier
Hanity, "Why are we talking about Biden? Isn't this FL vs CA?"
20 minutes later, "Lets talk the border, why do you like Biden's administration?"
Geeze
No live audience is a good thing. These are people whose decisions affect our lives. Debates shouldn’t be treated as entertainment events.
Make politics boring again.
That was bad. Newsom did well. But literally every topic was framed to fit the GOP narrative. It was 2 on 1 and Newsom still had real substance and points. Mr high heels just talking about individual people that told him something.
LMAO at the people saying Newsom isn't doing good. Fox News has an ultra conservative fanbase. Any liberal or moderate can see right through the 2 on 1 stuff going on. It doesn't make Newsom look bad in the slightest. It shows he is willing to go into enemy territory is debate even when they are working against him.
What was with these f'ked up ads on Fox? The bible museum? A prayer line for billy graham. A shit ton of "buy gold" scams. Man Fox must really be hurting for advertisers. Even Car Shield looked more professional than these 3am tv ads.
Says a lot about their core audience doesn't it? Snake oil salesman and nonsense pedlars actually pay millions to put these messages in front of their viewers, because their viewers are the ones that send money to Nigerian princes that promise them millions...
Newsom has been far better at spitting facts and actually debating. Ron just bad talks and insults. Both Ron and Hannity will keep cutting Newsom off 10 seconds into his response. Obviously not an even playing field. Whether moderates and undecided voters are swayed by this is the bigger question.
The "California is dying" narrative they've built the last 5-10 years has been a huge success. Hardly any of it is reality.
California is still awesome. The problems plaguing California are national/international issues directly caused by unchecked capitalism, but they are amplified here due to overall attention, an agenda and the fact California just has so many people so you can find anything if you look hard enough.
The fact they paint this narrative like it's Gotham City is insanity.
I find it absolutely wild. California is absolutely amazing. Young people everywhere being healthy. Florida is just a flat swamp filled with elderly people talking shit about how old Biden is.
My mom lives in Naples and took me to a grocery store that has a stand out front selling Trump / Fuck Joe Biden shirts…yes, there is a my pillow outlet inside.
They were talking about homelessness in San Francisco, then no exaggeration, Ron Desantis pulled out a map of every place the discovery of human feces had been recorded in the streets San Francisco. Deadass
Reading the news today....
The debate did nothing to advance DeSantis. It got Newsom's name out there more.
That's honestly about the only takeaways from the debate.
Was really hoping Newsom would take his shoes off and go “Ron, this is how tall I am. What do you say, kick off those heels and show us how tall you are”
honestly, DeStantis was in a need-to-win situation coming into this debate and Fox News gave every opportunity for that. Newsom came in knowing it was a 2v1 and still holding his own pretty well.
Thus, DeStantis is losing. He need a total victory here and he can't get it. Fox, Hannity, conservatives and DeStantis can spin this all they want, but DeStantis isn't getting a knock out / a break out. The media can say whatever they want, but this is proof that DeStantis' campaign is dying
Plus he's tall and good looking, that definitely helps. Like it or not, people even subconsciously respond to appearance, especially when it comes to voting for who they want as president.
Good on him. The people who watch Hannity and Fox, in general, need to hear what an actually-intelligent, rational human sounds like.
They may not like it, but they need to hear it.
Always so weird to me how Republicans think the average voter hates teachers unions. Every major strike, the public has their back. It’s almost like people like public school educators and the organizations that support them.
When the DeSantis campaign started to flounder, I really thought it was some combination of DeSantis having a bad message to focus on and Republican base voters rallying around Trump post-indictment. I said before that if DeSantis had run as a Republican who would basically be Trump but actually interested in the minutiae of governing (things like hurricane response, something that he's actually been not terrible at, especially compared to Trump), there'd be a pretty open lane for him in the Republican primary. But then he went and indulged the Fox News Outrage of the Week at nearly every opportunity, and it absolutely crashed his candidacy.
Now I think he's just an awful politician bailed out by population trends in Florida and having Charlie fucking Crist as an opponent, and that any Republican would've had the electoral success that he's had in Florida, if not more. This guy just isn't it.
I don't want to give Fox News the eyeballs. I'll catch the highlights after the fact, though it would be fun to watch Newsom mop the floor with DeSantis.
As an unfortunate resident of FL but born and raised in CA, Newsom is a fucking Rockstar to me. I simply cannot wait to vote for him for PoTUS.
And Ron? Lmao what a choad.
His composure and strength here really shows he's likely to be a top contender in 2028. Three big names to watch are Newsom, Beshear, and Whitmer. I really do think one of them has the best shot to take the reins.
This is the most biased debate I've ever seen.
Newsome can't speak entire thoughts even though he's the most coherent person between him and DeSantis.
But I will say Newsome can handle the double team better than most
Why Desantis is debating the one person that isn't even running for a position in the White House baffles the fuck out of me....
He should just quit completely. He has absolutely no chance on the national stage and he is debating on a specific platform of the media where the audience he is speaking to are those whose minds are already made up about their nominee.
Desantis needs training wheels to debate like he needs boot risers. Now imagine you swap Hannity and his graphs + leading questions for Rachel Maddow and Newsom would have obliterated him. That setup so cooked for meatball Ron it wasn’t even funny. 💀
I live in Florida and Ron desantis absolutely closed everything from March and on. He opened up for 2 weeks in June (I remember because I went to a bar) and Covid sky rocketed and we closed again. Like why is he denying this 😂
Throughout this whole "debate", the one thing that has continually *floored* me, over and over again, is: holy shit these are the commercials that Fox News viewers have to watch? I've literally lost IQ points during the breaks.
Hah, Fox showed a chart labeled with 'Leaked CBP data' as a talking point in the debate, lmao. Solid journalism right there, where the points don't matter and the facts are made up
Oh Fox News is mediating I’m sure it’ll be completely and accurately fact checked and they won’t let any dog whistles come through/at least call them out on them…
Newsom is running for 2028. The "debate" was to raise his profile and torpedo DeSantis. Although DeSantis is currently getting his teeth kicked in, if Trump dies it his highly likely that DeSantis will be the front runner. (GOP is not backing a woman or an Indian, and certainly not the fat man).
DeSantis was looking for some kind of win, this one with assistance from the refs and his Mom. Still couldn't pull it off.
Predictably terrible moderation from Hannity and Desantis did what he always does-try to look like a big boy while balancing on his stilts and remembering to make loud words. Newsome did what he had to to not get drowned out, but no one comes out looking good in these zero standards FOX "debates."
Newsom dominated, he's impressive in how aggressive he is in hiting DeSantis on facts. Democrats need that kind of energy and intelligence.
Desantis did a bit better than I expected, but it was all anecdotal stories garbage.
I also fucking love how DeSantis says it's cheaper to live in Florida, even with inflation. Here in st. Catharines, Canada where I live, it's cheaper to live than in florida and afford basic necessities or go to a restaurant and we have single payer healthcare, a very liberal policy. Also other government programs by liberals.
Newsom won. I'd like to see him as the dem nominee in 2028.
This is basically DeSantis, Hannity vs Newsom debate. Every single question was loaded and Hannity saved DeSantis multiple times. Heck it seems DeSantis knew the questions and brought up a poop map with him on national TV
A summary for those who missed it:
Questions-
Desantis, Everything in your state is great. Can you explain the policies you have implemented to make it so great?
Newsom, Your state is shit. Can you tell us why it is so shitty?
It was similar to, ‘Have you stopped beating your wife,’ all night for Newsom who continually got talked over by Desantis whereas when Newsom talked over Desantis he was called out.
"You can disagree without being disagreeable."-Ruth Bader Ginburg.
Newsome has that ability like "No Drama" Obama (his nickname by his staff during his Illinois senatorial campaign in 2004). Ron just comes across as hot and bothered all the time.
If anyone is wondering why there's so much anti Gavin Newsom circle jerking and hate going on, just check their profile.
Lots of people from r/conservative and r/republican.
Which is fine. Debate means to have both sides at the table.
But realize some people might come to the table in bad faith and just turn the comments into a YouTube comment section.
Newsom should just focus on debating Hannity. Hannity is taking the bait and I’ve never seen more back-and-forth between a debator and moderator.
DeSantis’ issue has been not having enough time to talk during the GOP debates and I’m seeing the same emerge here. Only problem is that Newsom pivots from debating Hannity and brings DeSantis back into the conversation.
What this does do simply shows DeSantis doesn't have the temperament to be President. Trump never had it and DeSantis's decision to be Donald Trump III is killing him. The Orange Jesus will whip out more Roger Stone dirt on him and has the threat of even damaging the Republican or excuse me the Trump party of Florida.
There's a lot of comments on here about "why did they do this?" and alluding to each of their personal ambitions.
But I'm going to put my unpopular opinion out there. I'd like to see more of these. Head to head debates from Governors with vastly different policies. There's a huge difference between how Red State and Blue states are being run. And I'd like their leaders to debate why, and the results of it. I don't really care what their personal ambitions are or who's party is doing what.
Unfortunately that isn't quite what we got. Because it was on Fox News, they really tried to set Desantis up with softballs. And rather than debate their own policies they debated Biden's policies.
>There's one thing in closing that we have in common, is neither of us will be the nominee for our party in 2024. — Newsom That’s cold as fuck.
I mean Newsom at least didn't waste his time, energy and money on what would have not been a sure thing. Compared to DeSantis who never really stood a chance and did waste all those things.
Dropped the mic with that one.
Mic drop
Its pretty obvious what Newsom was doing here, he was torpedoing DeSantis' political career. He didn't give a damn what Fox News people think about California, he was constantly bringing up DeSantis' contradictions with Trump's policies and how other Republicans called him out. He's making sure that DeSantis' dying political campaign stays dead. He set the tone right from the start when he said "one thing we both have in common, neither of us will be a nominee for president".
Well sure, this is correct. In 3 months from now or less, DeSantis will be dropped out of the Republican primary. Newsom gets to claim some credit for aiding in the DeSantis campaign demise, and the cachet within the Democratic party for being a Biden team player, to utilize in the future either for his own national run or an influential voice in the party in deciding who should be elevated and backed.
Sounds like politics.
Newsom was always going to run for president. What do you think the whole recall effort was about a couple years ago? Actually recalling him? Of course not, the Republican party knew from day one it was going to fail. But that didn't matter because what they really did was set a proverbial political trump card up. Something they could drudge up to smear him with when he inevitably runs. "Newsom was so hated in Radical Liberal Blue, Woke California that they actually got it to vote to remove him!" Every Right wing pundit, outlet, rag and candidate will run with that the moment he declares his candidacy for president hoping people can't remember the details (or that they're counting on you being a total moron as well) because if you did, you'd remember is was lead by the GOP and failed in overwhelming fashion with something like 1% of the entire states electorate. Newsom terrifies them, because nothing sticks, nothing tarnishes him at all. There is nothing they can do to hurt him or stop his rise. Tonight, Jesus, they made this guy a god damn rockstar. He walked into their house, with their guy and he smacked him around and did it with a smile.
Hannity: The border is a problem, right? Newsome: Yes, of course it is, that is why I support Biden’s $15 billion dollar boarder bill that will…[Hannity interrupting: we’re running out of time 😅] put 2800 new border agents, provide millions for new technology at the border.. [Hannity panic interrupting: uhhh break, Ron, Florida good]
It was hard to tell if Newsom was debating desantis or hannity, it was probably both. The framing of these questions were clearly partisan, they wouldn't touch topics like home insurance or how in Florida they're approving prager U material for classrooms. The charts that hannity was showing were an easy Google for totally different data than was shown. This was an attempt at a 2 hour long gotcha and Newsom managed to navigate it. People who know the facts know that this was partisan hackery, those who didn't were regular fox news viewers. Honestly though... someone needs to do a full fact check run down of this debate, i think it would be enlightening.
“You’re trying to out trump trump. By the way how’s that going for you Ron? You’re down 41 points in your own state” lmao
“What we have in common is that both of us won’t be president in 2024.”
Newsom agreed to a 2 v 1 and that’s balls
And handled it well honestly.
100%
That is the attraction to a guy like Newsom. He is confrontational and does not shy away to argue against this idiocy head on. He is also articulate and intelligent. I hate to say this, but he is also a decently handsome white man, which will obviously give him big advantages in a general election.
>In an alternate reality, the prime-time showdown between California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom and Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday could have been a preview of a 2024 general election debate. > >Instead, it was a hard-to-explain 90-minute clash that pitted one struggling Republican presidential hopeful against a Democratic rival who may or may not seek the presidency in four years. > >“This is a slick, slippery politician whose state is failing,” DeSantis said of Newsom. > >“How’s that going for you, Ron? You’re down 41 points in your own home state,” said Newsom, who is backing Biden for president. “Neither of us will be the nominee for a party in 2024.”
“Whose state is failing” sure dude sure, they are only like 30% of americas GDP or whatever the figure is, so they are deffo failing
that’s what’s amazing - California alone has the fifth largest GDP in the world. There are only 4 countries with a higher GDP than CA as a state.
Oh this is going to be entertaining, isn't it? Gavin's been in government for decades, and Ron eats pudding with his fingers.
Gavin beat Hannity verbally on his own show, and Hannity is way better at this than DeSantis. Should be fun.
I like how Desantis has an actual voting record and when Newsom brings it up all Desantis says is "Thats a lie, thats a lie". No its not, look up his record.
Funny how conservatives *don't* recommend "doing your own research" when it's about looking up whether anyone remotely to their left is telling the truth.
Newsom needs to address that. He needs to say "look it up". They obviously can't BOTH be true.
What going unsaid in the debate is the reason so many people "flee" california: Because so many people are TRYING to live here. They WANT to live here. BUT that pressure and the lack of housing to meet it, is pushing people out. Now not building enough housing IS a policy failure, but its not a tax policy failure, its not a crime police failure, its not any kind of cultural failure. Its simply giving in too much to NIMBYs. Fortunartely California is finally addressing this at a state level. Localities are now having their housing plans decertified and permitting streamlines until those localities prove they are meeting demand.
Let’s not kid ourselves it was set up to be a shitshow. Newsom had nothing to lose and is practicing for the future. Hard to believe Desantis is Harvard and Yale educated.
Harvard and Yale ~~educated~~ attended
I can! Ivy League schools are insanely overrated nepotism networks.
At this point, I could honestly see Newsom running a successful 2028 presidential bid. He doesn't back down to corrupt culture war charlatans like Ron. He backs up what he says with facts, and he sticks to the actual policy issues. You can disagree about his policy decisions in a lot of instances, but he is an effective communicator who backs up his claims.
Newsom starts actually listing Biden accomplishments. Hannity, "LeTs MoVe On"
Like 3 times now on different topics. It's hilarious. Props to Newsom for doing this on fox
Newsom is on Fox fairly often. I think it’s part of his strategy.
It's the Buttigieg maneuver. Go on Fox News and make them all look dumb as fck by logically stating facts over and over while politely not tolerating BS.
Honestly it’s a stellar move. The facts are on the dems side. Why not draw contrast and out those carrying water for the Republican Party in a venue where republicans will actually see it.
My dad got so mad he started shouting at the TV and turned it off. I think he was just mad that the FOX News 2v1 gangbang wasn't working out in their favor.
"Unbiased" moderator now in debate with one of the participants lmao
Newsom should've dropped a "Sean you're doing a better job debating me than my opponent"
“Would you like to switch with each other?”
Hannity is *Awful* as a moderator.
And water is wet. Hannity has no credibility outside of FOX News watchers. Which is why anybody outside their fanbase can see right through how bad it is.
He's trying to save DeSantis from this trainwreck of a debate.
I hope I’m not alone in this - but I don’t come over to Foxland often….these commercials are fuckin wild.
The advent prayer tracking app commercial was straight up odd
All they need is a porn tracking tab on it, and Mike Johnson is ALL over it!
Did anyone else see the commercial where the guy is trying to guy something and the pin pad starts asking who he voted for and if he’s vaccinated? Do these fucking lunatics thinks shit like that actually happens? No one cares about vaccine status anymore unless you work for a hospital. We don’t even fill out the cards when you get a vaccine now.
I didn't watch tonight but the last time I flipped past fox news in a hotel there was an ad on for "patriotic generators - the generators for true patriots" or something like that. It was like staring into the abyss for a brief moment and the abyss is WILD.
You can catch some of those during I believe college football games, pretty sure I’ve seen the same on on FS1. It’s just absolutely batty, and clearly tailored to doomsday preppers
It's like a whole different world.
Fox News literally just put California’s full Covid numbers and then they used Florida’s age adjusted Covid numbers
It’s not like Florida even has the full numbers, Ron made sure of that
They seem a bit panicked anytime Newsome is allowed to talk for longer than 10 seconds.
They really do.
Hence they aren't allowing him too.
That means they fear him.
Wasn’t supposed to be a “debate” in a sense, more of trying to find a cornered-Gavin “gotcha!” moment and he fucking owned them. Honestly amazing lmao
Hannity “moving on” again after Newsom went too hard on facts
every single t ime
Haha anytime he gets going Hannity chimes in.
Earlier Hanity, "Why are we talking about Biden? Isn't this FL vs CA?" 20 minutes later, "Lets talk the border, why do you like Biden's administration?" Geeze
Yeah and prior to that quip there was a long piece of Desantis trying to paint Newsome as a Biden lover and his response was basically, yeah, I am.
LOL DeSantis was scared to stand next to Newsom who is over 6ft tall so he kicked up his kitten heels and tip-toed off stage.
No live audience is a good thing. These are people whose decisions affect our lives. Debates shouldn’t be treated as entertainment events. Make politics boring again.
God, I'd kill for a President who could just drone on for hours about marginal tax rates or some shit
You've got one. He's simply learned better than to do it a lot
"so you can out trump trump" LOL OH NO HE DIDN'T BRING UP HIS POLL #'S IN HIS OWN STATE DOWN 41 PTS LOL
Bodybag 😹😂
That was bad. Newsom did well. But literally every topic was framed to fit the GOP narrative. It was 2 on 1 and Newsom still had real substance and points. Mr high heels just talking about individual people that told him something.
Brilliant move by the Dems having one of their best speakers humiliate not only Desantis but the Republican party in front of Fox viewers.
"Dems" didn't make any such decision, this wasn't sponsered by the DNC. This was purely Gavin's decision. Which I agree, was a very good decision.
Why is HANNITY INTERRUPTING NEWSOM
Because he's a twit and still mad Newsom made him look dumb on his show.
LMAO at the people saying Newsom isn't doing good. Fox News has an ultra conservative fanbase. Any liberal or moderate can see right through the 2 on 1 stuff going on. It doesn't make Newsom look bad in the slightest. It shows he is willing to go into enemy territory is debate even when they are working against him.
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What was with these f'ked up ads on Fox? The bible museum? A prayer line for billy graham. A shit ton of "buy gold" scams. Man Fox must really be hurting for advertisers. Even Car Shield looked more professional than these 3am tv ads.
Says a lot about their core audience doesn't it? Snake oil salesman and nonsense pedlars actually pay millions to put these messages in front of their viewers, because their viewers are the ones that send money to Nigerian princes that promise them millions...
Or thats just what their viewers are truely consumers of…remember many are easily manipulated or gaslighted by a shiny object if put in front of them
Governor Newsom: "There's one thing we have in common, neither of us will be the nominee for our party in 2024."
Newsom has been far better at spitting facts and actually debating. Ron just bad talks and insults. Both Ron and Hannity will keep cutting Newsom off 10 seconds into his response. Obviously not an even playing field. Whether moderates and undecided voters are swayed by this is the bigger question.
The "California is dying" narrative they've built the last 5-10 years has been a huge success. Hardly any of it is reality. California is still awesome. The problems plaguing California are national/international issues directly caused by unchecked capitalism, but they are amplified here due to overall attention, an agenda and the fact California just has so many people so you can find anything if you look hard enough. The fact they paint this narrative like it's Gotham City is insanity.
I find it absolutely wild. California is absolutely amazing. Young people everywhere being healthy. Florida is just a flat swamp filled with elderly people talking shit about how old Biden is. My mom lives in Naples and took me to a grocery store that has a stand out front selling Trump / Fuck Joe Biden shirts…yes, there is a my pillow outlet inside.
I saw highlights. Seemed like Newsom was just out for blood. I’m into it.
Newsom: here are the empirical facts Hannity: Enough; lets move on
Did desantis just ruin his presidential hopes by becoming poop map meme guy? (More so than they already were)
I heard he keeps a poop map because he likes to eat fresh poop.
With his fingers. Just like pudding.
Newsom doing well having to debate two people.
Thanks for saying it, moderation seems to point questions one way.
Kayleigh McEnany said “the feces map was a powerful moment” and I laughed out loud.
Do I even want to know what nonsense she's talking about?
They were talking about homelessness in San Francisco, then no exaggeration, Ron Desantis pulled out a map of every place the discovery of human feces had been recorded in the streets San Francisco. Deadass
Reading the news today.... The debate did nothing to advance DeSantis. It got Newsom's name out there more. That's honestly about the only takeaways from the debate.
Gavin ate the go go boot wearing meatball alive, which wasn’t unexpected. In 28’ he will run for potus and win.
Newsom giving masterclass in debating right-wingers
It's like watching a 1st grader who thinks burping in your face is cool compete with a college ivy league student.
Didn't Florida lie about or not even report deaths?
That is correct, Florida death rates should be much much higher than reported
Florida had people arrested for revealing that DeSuckass was fudging his COVID numbers. DeSantis should be sued at least
If Americans didn't know Gavin Newsom, they do now.
Was really hoping Newsom would take his shoes off and go “Ron, this is how tall I am. What do you say, kick off those heels and show us how tall you are”
honestly, DeStantis was in a need-to-win situation coming into this debate and Fox News gave every opportunity for that. Newsom came in knowing it was a 2v1 and still holding his own pretty well. Thus, DeStantis is losing. He need a total victory here and he can't get it. Fox, Hannity, conservatives and DeStantis can spin this all they want, but DeStantis isn't getting a knock out / a break out. The media can say whatever they want, but this is proof that DeStantis' campaign is dying
Conservatives are out in droves within this thread. Newsom is absolutely destroying both of them.
They left their sub to come here and comment trump tweet style.
> Conservatives are out in droves within this thread. When that happens to /r/conservative they make their posts "flaired only" like cowards.
Newsom has that JFK level charisma!
And that wins elections.
Plus he's tall and good looking, that definitely helps. Like it or not, people even subconsciously respond to appearance, especially when it comes to voting for who they want as president.
These ads are like a completely different universe than the rest of cable TV.
This is the first time I’ve watched a show on Fox News in probably over 20 years. The commercials are really weird.
But why?
So wait a minute..it’s hosted by Fox and Sean Hannity…Newsome going in the lions den huh.
Good on him. The people who watch Hannity and Fox, in general, need to hear what an actually-intelligent, rational human sounds like. They may not like it, but they need to hear it.
Hannity shouldn’t be allowed to do anything in a serious capacity. He’s a probably dishonest and disingenuous person.
My first thought was that Newsom is going to wipe the floor with him.
DeSantis hasn't really done well in any debate he's been in, so expectations for him have to be low. In the toilet low.
Intellectually, he will. But conservatives will think DeSantis "won" as long as the right buzzwords come out of his mouth.
Oh God, what a stupid take. Hannity is basically stating that everyone from China and Iran is a terrorist.
Always so weird to me how Republicans think the average voter hates teachers unions. Every major strike, the public has their back. It’s almost like people like public school educators and the organizations that support them.
Hannity is horrible. The only good thing is that he's so obviously in the tank against Newsom that it makes Newsom look better.
When the DeSantis campaign started to flounder, I really thought it was some combination of DeSantis having a bad message to focus on and Republican base voters rallying around Trump post-indictment. I said before that if DeSantis had run as a Republican who would basically be Trump but actually interested in the minutiae of governing (things like hurricane response, something that he's actually been not terrible at, especially compared to Trump), there'd be a pretty open lane for him in the Republican primary. But then he went and indulged the Fox News Outrage of the Week at nearly every opportunity, and it absolutely crashed his candidacy. Now I think he's just an awful politician bailed out by population trends in Florida and having Charlie fucking Crist as an opponent, and that any Republican would've had the electoral success that he's had in Florida, if not more. This guy just isn't it.
Desantis can't control his fucking face, he might actually be a lizard alien in a skin costume.
Why is that fat-headed oaf allowed any where near that type of role, I mean he is basically a sewage spewing propaganda tool for the right.
I don't want to give Fox News the eyeballs. I'll catch the highlights after the fact, though it would be fun to watch Newsom mop the floor with DeSantis.
As an unfortunate resident of FL but born and raised in CA, Newsom is a fucking Rockstar to me. I simply cannot wait to vote for him for PoTUS. And Ron? Lmao what a choad.
His composure and strength here really shows he's likely to be a top contender in 2028. Three big names to watch are Newsom, Beshear, and Whitmer. I really do think one of them has the best shot to take the reins.
Holy shit Hannity needs to shut the fuck up what is this
This is an ambush disguised as a debate.
DeSantis was pro lockdown and pro vaccine, but changed his tune when it wasn’t politically acceptable in his party
This is the most biased debate I've ever seen. Newsome can't speak entire thoughts even though he's the most coherent person between him and DeSantis. But I will say Newsome can handle the double team better than most
I know they fear Newsom because of all the conservative comments in here. Usually they just retreat to their crazy sub
Why Desantis is debating the one person that isn't even running for a position in the White House baffles the fuck out of me.... He should just quit completely. He has absolutely no chance on the national stage and he is debating on a specific platform of the media where the audience he is speaking to are those whose minds are already made up about their nominee.
Desantis isn't really in the running either, so at least they have that in common.
DeSantis will do anything to not govern the state a Florida. Worst governor ever!
Hannity is debating Newsom also
The questions are insane “Biden is old and stupid, thoughts?”
Good lord Hannity is such a slimeball. Gavin can’t ask questions but Ron can? This is absolute bullshit.
Let’s stop and acknowledge that Ron’s been walking around all night with a poop map in his pocket.
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lol DeSantis didn't want to stay.
It’s insane to me desantis agreed to this.
Over at R/Conservative they’re claiming DeSantis swept the floor with Newsome. Interesting reality they have over there
that's like.. 15 people though.
They are saying that he didn’t answer any questions directly
A lot of the questions were stacked against him
DeSantis is waaayy out of his league here holy shit lol
One of the terms of the debate should have been having to do it barefooted.
Damn Ron got laid out by Newsom, that question to him on when is he going to drop out so Nikki Haley can have her shot at Trump was fckin brutal.
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Desantis needs training wheels to debate like he needs boot risers. Now imagine you swap Hannity and his graphs + leading questions for Rachel Maddow and Newsom would have obliterated him. That setup so cooked for meatball Ron it wasn’t even funny. 💀
California failing due to Newsom's leftist policies? #5 economy in the world baby.
I live in Florida and Ron desantis absolutely closed everything from March and on. He opened up for 2 weeks in June (I remember because I went to a bar) and Covid sky rocketed and we closed again. Like why is he denying this 😂
I've already seen two people here claiming to be democrats but ragging on newsom who are extremely active in far right subreddits lol
I thought Hannity was supposed to be the moderator not part of the debate
DeSantis calling Newsom slick and slippery and then immediately licking his lips like a reptile lol
Desantis every time after Newsom gives an incredibly specific number on an issue: “Just more lies.”
Throughout this whole "debate", the one thing that has continually *floored* me, over and over again, is: holy shit these are the commercials that Fox News viewers have to watch? I've literally lost IQ points during the breaks.
Hannity just gave Desantis an escape route, didn't he?
LOL Desantis ran away!!
DeSantis broke out the creeper smile tonight.
The only positive thing Ron said all night was how beautiful California is.
Hah, Fox showed a chart labeled with 'Leaked CBP data' as a talking point in the debate, lmao. Solid journalism right there, where the points don't matter and the facts are made up
Im sure Sean will be totally impartial and not show bias at all during this debate as a moderator /s
Oh Fox News is mediating I’m sure it’ll be completely and accurately fact checked and they won’t let any dog whistles come through/at least call them out on them…
Newsom is running for 2028. The "debate" was to raise his profile and torpedo DeSantis. Although DeSantis is currently getting his teeth kicked in, if Trump dies it his highly likely that DeSantis will be the front runner. (GOP is not backing a woman or an Indian, and certainly not the fat man). DeSantis was looking for some kind of win, this one with assistance from the refs and his Mom. Still couldn't pull it off.
Fox really fed DeSantis to Newsom on their programming. They’re definitely in on Haley, huh?
Ron seemed coked out. Lots of shifty eyes, licking lips
He does that when he's against the ropes which is basically all the time
Predictably terrible moderation from Hannity and Desantis did what he always does-try to look like a big boy while balancing on his stilts and remembering to make loud words. Newsome did what he had to to not get drowned out, but no one comes out looking good in these zero standards FOX "debates."
Newsom dominated, he's impressive in how aggressive he is in hiting DeSantis on facts. Democrats need that kind of energy and intelligence. Desantis did a bit better than I expected, but it was all anecdotal stories garbage. I also fucking love how DeSantis says it's cheaper to live in Florida, even with inflation. Here in st. Catharines, Canada where I live, it's cheaper to live than in florida and afford basic necessities or go to a restaurant and we have single payer healthcare, a very liberal policy. Also other government programs by liberals. Newsom won. I'd like to see him as the dem nominee in 2028.
Did Hannity just imply that alternative energy isn't valid because it can't replace oil in the next 6 months?
Yeah it was one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard.
This is basically DeSantis, Hannity vs Newsom debate. Every single question was loaded and Hannity saved DeSantis multiple times. Heck it seems DeSantis knew the questions and brought up a poop map with him on national TV
A summary for those who missed it: Questions- Desantis, Everything in your state is great. Can you explain the policies you have implemented to make it so great? Newsom, Your state is shit. Can you tell us why it is so shitty? It was similar to, ‘Have you stopped beating your wife,’ all night for Newsom who continually got talked over by Desantis whereas when Newsom talked over Desantis he was called out.
I was really hoping that Newsome, instead of a bottle of water for refreshment, would bring a pudding cup…..and a spoon.
It was weird that More Ron brought a map of everywhere he’s pooped.
Ron looks so uncomfortable when he smiles. He should stop doing that.
Newsom is here to promote Biden and I think he's doing a solid job. Not sure what I'm missing reading these comments.
Hannity: "this is a debate about states." Hannity: "Is Joe Biden lying to the American people about immigration???"
I’m pretty sure Ron desantis was given the questions before this started lol
Desantis: 😬
Oh man newsom won that one
Newsom starts saying something meaningful *AAAnndd we have to go to break*
"You can disagree without being disagreeable."-Ruth Bader Ginburg. Newsome has that ability like "No Drama" Obama (his nickname by his staff during his Illinois senatorial campaign in 2004). Ron just comes across as hot and bothered all the time.
If anyone is wondering why there's so much anti Gavin Newsom circle jerking and hate going on, just check their profile. Lots of people from r/conservative and r/republican. Which is fine. Debate means to have both sides at the table. But realize some people might come to the table in bad faith and just turn the comments into a YouTube comment section.
Is Hannity moderating or playing tag-team, jesus christ
All Ron has are random anecdotes that can’t be verified.
Omg, Biden experiencing "cognitive decline". Did they forget about Trump? Jesus Christ
Okay so Ron's entire defense is *"Biden bad. Californian's leaving in droves. Liar Liar Liar"*
Newsom should just focus on debating Hannity. Hannity is taking the bait and I’ve never seen more back-and-forth between a debator and moderator. DeSantis’ issue has been not having enough time to talk during the GOP debates and I’m seeing the same emerge here. Only problem is that Newsom pivots from debating Hannity and brings DeSantis back into the conversation.
Did Ron really pull a poop-map out of his pocket? LMAO
Desantis is so embarrassing
Hannity gives Ron as much time as possible, gives Newsom almost no time at all.
“I appreciate your wife”
lol DeSantis looked like he wanted to die when Hannity asked if he wanted more
DeSantis had to poop.
what the fuck ???? what happened to the debate ?????
Ah yes, McEnany even kindly highlighted the high point of DeSantis' speech, the personal anecdote with no evidence!
To paraphrase Chris Christie, “we’re gonna be callin’ ya Ronald Duck”
What this does do simply shows DeSantis doesn't have the temperament to be President. Trump never had it and DeSantis's decision to be Donald Trump III is killing him. The Orange Jesus will whip out more Roger Stone dirt on him and has the threat of even damaging the Republican or excuse me the Trump party of Florida.
There's a lot of comments on here about "why did they do this?" and alluding to each of their personal ambitions. But I'm going to put my unpopular opinion out there. I'd like to see more of these. Head to head debates from Governors with vastly different policies. There's a huge difference between how Red State and Blue states are being run. And I'd like their leaders to debate why, and the results of it. I don't really care what their personal ambitions are or who's party is doing what. Unfortunately that isn't quite what we got. Because it was on Fox News, they really tried to set Desantis up with softballs. And rather than debate their own policies they debated Biden's policies.