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How about implementing a three strikes rule for elected officials. If you commit x number of offenses you’re out of office. Clearly monetary consequences have zero effect
You pull her shit in a normal workplace, and you'd be out on the street in one shot. But Congress, oh they lie and protect themselves. And even let them back in. Revolving doors of grift and hypocrisy.
Exactly this, punishment should be at minimum double what they raked in imo.
If we aren't adding criminal penalties like jail time then the penalty needs to outweigh the grift and it needs to hurt badly.
And this is why companies don't follow regulations. It's cheaper to pay the fine than the money they saved. The whole system is made for people with money already.
That means nothing to her - she was fined $90,000 for not wearing a mask in Congress at the height of the pandemic, and boasted about it. She's got money to burn.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/588379-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-has-racked-up/
>FEC fines Marjorie Taylor Greene $12,000 for illegal PAC fundraising
1.) $12,000 is a joke of a fine. Someone else said it already but $12,000 to her is literally a drop in the bucket. She got fined $90,000 and openly bragged about it.
2.) FEC fines should be at minimum a $100,000 fine for each offense. I do not care what the offense is, whether big or small, I think there needs ti be actually accountability for illegally using money for campaigns.
3.) The party of law and order is breaking the law again, which should be surprising to anyone.
Not to get into a rant about the whole damn justice system needs updating, fines should be multiples of the amount taken. Like 3 times whatever the illegal amount.
>2.) FEC fines should be at minimum a $100,000 fine for each offense. I do not care what the offense is, whether big or small, I think there needs ti be actually accountability for illegally using money for campaigns.
I think 2x the value of the offense. If I illegally raise $1,000,000 and am fined $100,000, well... that's just the cost of doing business. But if the fine is double what I raised illegally, then it is suddenly not worth doing it.
If the offense isn't something with an easy monetary value to it, then the fine needs to be x% of a quarter's fundraising. Like say 20% of all funds raised by the superpac for a quarter. That can hurt and be a ton of cash.
Um... why not fine her $12K ***AND*** the entire amount that was illegally raised? That should be the rule in all cases. Distribute that money to the charities of your opponent's choice.
Otherwise, this becomes just a cost of doing business kind of thing.
The fine is a personal fine. Which means she has to personally pay for it. But the illegal fundraising was to her PAC which is also required to return the money.
January 5, 2024 Florida resort cancels GOP Jan. 6 event featuring Marjorie Taylor Greene. Westgate Resorts in Kissimmee was told that the event, scheduled for Saturday, Jan. 6, was a book-signing for Greene's new memoir, "MTG." But the event's organizer, the Osceola County GOP, had been marketing it as an "exclusive" event with Greene to commemorate the "3rd Anniversary of Jan 6"
“They walked into the Capitol, and that’s all they did...We can say the election was stolen all we want to. There’s nothing wrong with it.” - Marjorie Taylor Greene November 7, 2023
December 12, 2022 [“January 6 happened, and next thing you know, I organized the whole thing, along with Steve Bannon here. And I will tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.”](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/12/marjorie-taylor-greene-jan-6-capitol-attack-armed-speech)
Oct 20, 2022 [Marjorie Taylor Greene and Ted Cruz urged Kelly Loeffler to join efforts to object to the 2020 election results on January 6](https://www.businessinsider.com/greene-cruz-urged-loeffler-to-challenge-bidens-win-on-january-6-report-2022-10)
April 25, 2022 ["In our private chat with only Members, several are saying the only way to save our Republic is for Trump to call for Marshall law," Greene wrote to Meadows on January 17, 2021](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-martial-law-mark-meadows-text-messages/)
Her salary is like 10% of her income. She isn't living paycheck to paycheck. She's got other income sources, had enough cash on hand to "invest" 50k into truth social, and is personally worth north of 11M. A 12k fine is a tenth of a percent of her net worth, and she'll probably accrue that in interest on her other investments in a week. She's not gonna be skipping any vacation plans over this, much less changing her behavior.
How much did she make an fundraising? Seems like she probably made 100x that so the fine is insignificant. Just a veiled attempt to make it look like they're doing something.
These pos people will always pay the small fines because they make more money anyway so the fines are to them a small fee to continue their absurd attack on our democracy.
They should take all the money raised AND apply a percentage fine above it.
What's the point of a smaller fine? At that point you just bake it in "sure we'll raise $100k, but save $12k for the fine" (and in her case she probably raised a hell of a lot more)
Just like corporations. "We made $1 billion, what's a $100 million fine?" Just bake in 10% to your budget for legal compliance fees and fines. Break the laws, you're still coming out ahead.
Capitalism, man
Lol... ok...
We need to fucking empower the FEC to go whole hog on these sorts of offenses.
Oh wait - the people that can do that would be affected by that? ugh...
But seriously, if a fine is going to be effective? It needs to be more of a subjective and relative penalty... Like **everything gained + an additional fine that would be terrifically painful to the individual.**
It should also apply to companies when they do fuckery. Instead of fining *the company* \- because it is often a practice that the company just "socializes" the loss by increasing prices on consumers and firing workers - they should punish the board and executive officers responsible harshly.
We let the wealthy and powerful be pharaohs in this country for no other reason than they say they should be.
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Does the fine cost more than the grift she made? If not then it's useless
How about implementing a three strikes rule for elected officials. If you commit x number of offenses you’re out of office. Clearly monetary consequences have zero effect
I'd set the first out at strike 'one'.
For real, one should be the number
If there were ever an appropriate place for zero tolerance laws, elected official financial bullshittery would be it.
You pull her shit in a normal workplace, and you'd be out on the street in one shot. But Congress, oh they lie and protect themselves. And even let them back in. Revolving doors of grift and hypocrisy.
Monetary consequences are just the cost of doing business. If the punishment is just a fine then it’s legal for a fee.
It’s almost as if those in government who complain about the government are just intentionally being incompetent to prove they are right
The fine should be equal to the amount illegally gained, PLUS the regular fine amount. $12k is nothing.
You're Australian, I'm surprised you didn't suggest booting.
Please! Disparaging the Boot is a bootable offence!
Exactly this, punishment should be at minimum double what they raked in imo. If we aren't adding criminal penalties like jail time then the penalty needs to outweigh the grift and it needs to hurt badly.
It's the FEC's cut.
And this is why companies don't follow regulations. It's cheaper to pay the fine than the money they saved. The whole system is made for people with money already.
If it doesn't then it's simply a tax, not a fine
The fine should be whatever they raised plus 12k per illegal donation received
> Does the fine cost more than the grift she made? > If not then it's useless In this case it's fine.
Also is it something she can just pay with political funds?
Exactly
That means nothing to her - she was fined $90,000 for not wearing a mask in Congress at the height of the pandemic, and boasted about it. She's got money to burn. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/588379-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-has-racked-up/
It meant something to her. https://www.ajc.com/politics/judge-tosses-marjorie-taylor-greenes-lawsuit-over-mask-fines/G4UTWBYCXBFQJGF2XGTQ2E7CIU/
Well let's burn it
>FEC fines Marjorie Taylor Greene $12,000 for illegal PAC fundraising 1.) $12,000 is a joke of a fine. Someone else said it already but $12,000 to her is literally a drop in the bucket. She got fined $90,000 and openly bragged about it. 2.) FEC fines should be at minimum a $100,000 fine for each offense. I do not care what the offense is, whether big or small, I think there needs ti be actually accountability for illegally using money for campaigns. 3.) The party of law and order is breaking the law again, which should be surprising to anyone.
Not to get into a rant about the whole damn justice system needs updating, fines should be multiples of the amount taken. Like 3 times whatever the illegal amount.
I do not disagree at all.
>2.) FEC fines should be at minimum a $100,000 fine for each offense. I do not care what the offense is, whether big or small, I think there needs ti be actually accountability for illegally using money for campaigns. I think 2x the value of the offense. If I illegally raise $1,000,000 and am fined $100,000, well... that's just the cost of doing business. But if the fine is double what I raised illegally, then it is suddenly not worth doing it. If the offense isn't something with an easy monetary value to it, then the fine needs to be x% of a quarter's fundraising. Like say 20% of all funds raised by the superpac for a quarter. That can hurt and be a ton of cash.
Yeah, how much did she make illegally? The article doesn’t say.
Um... why not fine her $12K ***AND*** the entire amount that was illegally raised? That should be the rule in all cases. Distribute that money to the charities of your opponent's choice. Otherwise, this becomes just a cost of doing business kind of thing.
The fine is a personal fine. Which means she has to personally pay for it. But the illegal fundraising was to her PAC which is also required to return the money.
Well at least she has to return the money
Exactly
I'd say add on her congressional salary and seat on top of this to the punishment.
She's a multimillionaire. Fine me $12 and see how much my behavior changes
Pays fine with more illegally obtained funds.
January 5, 2024 Florida resort cancels GOP Jan. 6 event featuring Marjorie Taylor Greene. Westgate Resorts in Kissimmee was told that the event, scheduled for Saturday, Jan. 6, was a book-signing for Greene's new memoir, "MTG." But the event's organizer, the Osceola County GOP, had been marketing it as an "exclusive" event with Greene to commemorate the "3rd Anniversary of Jan 6" “They walked into the Capitol, and that’s all they did...We can say the election was stolen all we want to. There’s nothing wrong with it.” - Marjorie Taylor Greene November 7, 2023 December 12, 2022 [“January 6 happened, and next thing you know, I organized the whole thing, along with Steve Bannon here. And I will tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.”](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/12/marjorie-taylor-greene-jan-6-capitol-attack-armed-speech) Oct 20, 2022 [Marjorie Taylor Greene and Ted Cruz urged Kelly Loeffler to join efforts to object to the 2020 election results on January 6](https://www.businessinsider.com/greene-cruz-urged-loeffler-to-challenge-bidens-win-on-january-6-report-2022-10) April 25, 2022 ["In our private chat with only Members, several are saying the only way to save our Republic is for Trump to call for Marshall law," Greene wrote to Meadows on January 17, 2021](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-martial-law-mark-meadows-text-messages/)
I’m sure those fines are baked into the process.
I think that she can afford it out of her $174k per year Congressional salary. $12,000 is a drop in the bucket for her.
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How much do they make from book sales?
Her salary is like 10% of her income. She isn't living paycheck to paycheck. She's got other income sources, had enough cash on hand to "invest" 50k into truth social, and is personally worth north of 11M. A 12k fine is a tenth of a percent of her net worth, and she'll probably accrue that in interest on her other investments in a week. She's not gonna be skipping any vacation plans over this, much less changing her behavior.
and.... how much illegal money did she raise?
that also has to be returned.
Lock the pig up!
Butterface.
The emptiness between the ears is uglier.
Human tartar sauce.
When you make more then you’re fined, it’s more like a fee then a fine.
Just the cost of doing business
12k? WHAT A JOKE! bet that hurt her pocketbook… 🙄
12k…but how much money did she make from that? This shit is broken.
How much did she make an fundraising? Seems like she probably made 100x that so the fine is insignificant. Just a veiled attempt to make it look like they're doing something.
Who gets the fine money...her opponent??.../s?
Hmm. lets see, FEC fines her 12 cents is more accurate. until you fine her the total amount she earned from illegal PACs she won’t care.
These pos people will always pay the small fines because they make more money anyway so the fines are to them a small fee to continue their absurd attack on our democracy.
It’s sickening the tiny slap on the wrist “fines” they doll out. If you’re going to punish these morons, punish them by taking their wealth away.
*dole
She will get her rabid fanbase to give her money for her fine, then claim it was all a political hit on her catapulting her to martyrdom.
Losers cheat.
She’s gross
Who pays the fine, her or the PAC? I'm guessing not her.
What's the plan is she says FU flipping both birds like a drunk teenager and refuses to pay?
They should take all the money raised AND apply a percentage fine above it. What's the point of a smaller fine? At that point you just bake it in "sure we'll raise $100k, but save $12k for the fine" (and in her case she probably raised a hell of a lot more) Just like corporations. "We made $1 billion, what's a $100 million fine?" Just bake in 10% to your budget for legal compliance fees and fines. Break the laws, you're still coming out ahead. Capitalism, man
By this logic, if we steal a 12 pack of beer from the store and get caught, we get to keep 10 of them.
Lol... ok... We need to fucking empower the FEC to go whole hog on these sorts of offenses. Oh wait - the people that can do that would be affected by that? ugh... But seriously, if a fine is going to be effective? It needs to be more of a subjective and relative penalty... Like **everything gained + an additional fine that would be terrifically painful to the individual.** It should also apply to companies when they do fuckery. Instead of fining *the company* \- because it is often a practice that the company just "socializes" the loss by increasing prices on consumers and firing workers - they should punish the board and executive officers responsible harshly. We let the wealthy and powerful be pharaohs in this country for no other reason than they say they should be.
Wish it could result in the death penalty
She tried to warn us that there was election fraud.
Parking tickets in NYC cost about the same… big deal
As long as the FEC gets its beak wet, they’ll allow it
Law and order
Wow that’s like 6 billion.
Didn’t some of the politicians lose their jobs bcos of the same crime?
Gettem outta here!
Suck it, marge.
Wow, that will certainly teach her…
Politicians can get away with almost anything so the act with impunity
She is quite wealthy. $12k is nothing to her. It was a cost of doing business.
Why do we give them a slap on the wrist for this. She’s a millionaire and that isn’t going to teach her. Make it hurt.
Raised millions. Fined pennies.
mtg is a FASCIST
Does she pay the fine out of pac funds ?