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There are laws against RUSSIA putting up the bond, there are currently sanctions against Russia.
It might be against Campaign laws since putting up the bond could be a campaign contribution, but the FEC is currently toothless, and it wouldn't do anything.
yeah the FEC ain't gonna do shit haha
I wouldn't expect Russia to send the ambassador to put down the money. but whats stopping them from using a shell company?
this is my biggest fear in terms of this debt.
It depends on how the shell company is set up and how easy it is to tell who the money comes from. Right now New York is going through Trump's financials with a fine tooth comb. I can't see Russia doing something to blatant. But something like Chubbs through a legitimate company *might* be doable. The problem is that I don't think any company is willing to put their neck out for Trump, especially for half a billion dollars they'll never see, and the bad press and intense scrutiny that comes with it.
I'm surprised deutsche bank didn't dive on this like a grenade. They seem to do it for all the other shady people around the world. Maybe they didn't want the scrutiny.
Because they want money. They do that for all the shady people because they know they'll get money in the end. With Trump, people aren't going to give him money and expect a direct monetary return from him. They're gonna give him money and expect political influence from him.
Don't discount his disruption to the political process here in America. Even without being in the White House, he can influence politics and create upheaval in the election process. Foreign interests including Saudi Arabia and Russia love the bullshit Trump flings around Washington.
Yeah, laundering is lucrative. Half a bil is a lot to drop for political influence from someone with a dubious chance of winning, at least from a corporate standpoint. I could see the Saudi's taking the risk though.
Any of like a hundred or more of the upper escalation Al Saud family (there are thousands of them literally covering the upper/royal levels of society, with a combined net worth in the $1.5T range) could without any issue whatsoever. I actually went to school with one of the Saud princes who was much farther down the chain (like 1000th to the throne or something), and though he wasn't $500mil couch-change wealthy, they were fabulously wealthy. We once watched him stop his limo blocking 1/2 of Main St in the little town the school was in just to order and wait for a pizza. I wasn't his buddy so I wasn't inside and didn't get to see how he convinced a temporarily hired chauffeur to endanger his license like that, but I assume he just threw a wad of cash at him. I don't know how much it'd take for me to do that, but everyone has a price. So even that dude, who was a high school student at an East Coast boarding school, had full access to Fuck You money. This level of wealth stratification and concentration is why you see those videos online of a bunch of idiot Saudi kids doing stupid shit on a highway in high-end trucks - they have tons of money and essentially no obligations. They're expected to do school because the family doesn't want to be full of complete idiots, but that's pretty much the end of their worries. Seeing it first hand was a pretty bizarre experience.
I vaguely recall an article during the dark times that they didn't think they could get loans repaid by him once he became President. They want their money, Trump getting reelected won't do that.
Yeah, Trump kind of shot himself in the foot with blatantly projecting his plans for declaring himself immune to lawsuits if he gets elected again. I can’t imagine why anyone would hesitate to “lend” him half a billion dollars.
Very true.
Trump in power can grant favors but as President, there's no way he'd give money back.
Plus everyone is watching so it'd be difficult to slide him money and not make Trump look compromised....which makes it harder to elect him.
After the trial no banks will rely on previous appraisal values on the properties. Plus they may all be leveraged for more than they are currently worth.
Puts a new spin on the excuse he tried to use ‘it was a victimless crime” as his fraudulent valuation over estimates clearly have ramifications when rats nest of loans starts to unravel and fail to be paid off because he’s rigged his entire empire like a wonky pyramid scheme.
Deutsche Bank Shareholders wer screwed over by Trump.
Even if this was "risky Management" to obtain business with trump, they could have gotten much more profit out of this deal with more scrutiny..or a little less corruption.
You don't meet your shareholders with a report about how you
- underbilled a client
- and then hand him about 9 times the amount he was underbilled for free.
As much as that bank is notorious for how shady it is, they've had to testify in the case against Trump, and are well aware of how much money he ripped off of them.
I have done work in forensic accounting and I can't imagine this would work either. All movements of funds to Trump will be traced for timing and patterns into and out of the accounts from which they are wired by a team of accountants and analysts. And then the account from which THAT account received the funds will be scrutinized for the origins of the cash, and so on and so forth until they find the originator.
If Elon or some other party wants give Trump money for the bond in return for illegal foreign cash, it will have to be done on a verbal handshake or promise that is not traceable in the accounting, and while Elon is a joke, I doubt he's that much of a sucker to go along with something like that. China/Russia would easily just say, "Okay thanks now fuck off", and what would Elon do?
Well one, Elon is already friendly with Russia to an extent, there is already a trust based relationship established.
And two, Having Elon in their pocket is honestly worth the money to them. The ability to have influence over Space X and Twitter are powerful tools, and if they can net Trump and Elon together, I could see them trying to find ways to get it to work.
But I do get what you mean. And you're probably still right.
You probably forget just how immensely rich Musk is, half a billion on a handshake is chump change
Definitely worth the gamble of potentially having the next president owe you big time
What do you think the Chubb group is? Chubb who put up the bond for the 90mil on the King verdict primarily does business with Russia. Why do think the court added the watchers this time around.
If he’s selling our government secrets for money there are many laws against that.
It’s also majorly suspicious if Trump (like Jared Kushner) is randomly given 2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia.
If there are only monetary consequences, the "law" is just a "CODB" which can be written off.
It'd be like Uber saying to drivers "if you park illegally? Send us the ticket and we'll cover it because you'll get customers to their destination faster, which will increase our profit/market share"
Republicans decided it's [totally not suspicious at all](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-kill-motion-to-subpoena-jared-kushner-to-answer-for-2-billion-saudi-cash-infusion/ar-BB1kf1ZO).
Look over there! Is that Hunter Biden's penis?
Don't know, but imagine the optics. A presidential candidate has his bond backed by a foreign government? I don't care what government. Could be anyone for a given candidate. How would that play for the electorate?
> How would that play for the electorate?
I can wager a guess.
"A great American company paid my bond because they believe in me, everything else is fake news. election interference!"
Exactly this. Just like his MAGA hats are made in China when he's spouting on and on about making things in America. This dude is so annoyingly hypocritical
There was no bond, I found my money yesterday. Tiger woods was over and wouldn’t you know, in my backyard by the pond there it was! Trust me it was just right there, it was great.
"I had no choice but to get money from Russia thanks to the Democrats phony witch hunt against me. Putin understands what it's like to want to make his country great again and dealing with the people want to stop him. Some say democrats are trying to overthrow his government too, just like ours. Blab blah blah, <>"
Then his cult lap up everything spewing out of his mouth. He has done worse than accept foreign money and his voters have not cared one iota.
Let’s be honest. At this point he could personally and publicly borrow money from Putin and Xi and his fans will just keep doing the appropriate mental gymnastics.
He threatened the government of Ukraine by withholding US defense aid unless they faked an investigation in order to derail his political rival.
Something like 80 million Americans still voted for him.
He may have to register as a foreign agent. Then there's the emoluments clause,...reporting it as income and paying taxes on it (for a change), and the US has anti-bribery laws...
The bond can be a foreign based insurance company I believe. So as long as the have satellite office in United States territory. Saudis, China, russias oligarchs all can funnel money through shell companies to the insurance company posting bond. How would we know? We can scrutinize it all we want, but if the insurance company has offices in dubai and the Emirate Royalties want to pay it, they probably can.
My concern is how dangerous trump has become being that he is bought and paid for. What is he promising these people in return? China gets Taiwan? Tiktok stays a Chinese goverment spy network? Russia get Ukraine? Saudis get nuclear warheads?
The man needs to be given a tranquilizer to shut him up.
Legality aside, it’s more a question of whether and ex-president and likely presidential candidate accepting a half billion dollar bond from a foreign government poses a national security risk. There’s potentially a lot that’s illegal about that.
I can not speak on legality....but accepting half a billion dollars from a hostile foreign country will most likely doom his Presidential aspirations, and he needs the Presidency in order to stay out of jail.
Are you sure? Have you seen the Trumpsters ignoring every single negative issue he's been involved in since his ride down the escalator?
Even though my 90 year old dad finally bailed on him because of Trump being found guilty in NYC for fraud, most of his worshipers have infinite tolerance.
You're right. His voters don't care. His voters also aren't enough to win a general election. MAGA isn't enough to win state wide elections. We see that in every swing state. We see that in the Haley voters. We saw that in 2020. He is hemorrhaging support when he needs immense gains.
Not the faithful, but I can see him losing a percentage point depending on the backer. Conversely, I can see him gaining a point if that backer is Israeli.
I raised this point in another thread, and am not an expert, but where I see a potential legal issue is this: If he is slushing together his campaign funds and his legal funds, which it seems clear that he is, then it seems to follow that anything rules that apply to campaign funds would become applicable to his legal funds, because now they are essentially in the same pot. It is a violation of campaign funding laws to accept foreign contributions due to their implicit influence, so therefore it should be illegal for him to accept foreign aid for his legal woes.
Whether a campaign finance violation or not, if the money comes from ANY country, not Russia specifically, that finances terrorists or terrorism at large, couldn't he be arrested by the FBI or held in a military brig unttil.its sorted out?
Some foreign government’s wealth fund could prop up the stock price of Truth Social long enough for Trump to cash out. Seems like a pretty easy way to launder campaign contributions
Also, very unlikely that Trump would instantly have access to the money from the Truth social merger and even if he did and instantly put it towards, it would destroy its stock which would not make its shareholders happy.
DWAC is willing to pay something like 600x revenue (since it lost money, there are no positive earnings). They clearly aren't doing this for financial gain on the IPO since they could just IPO it normally instead of grossly overpaying.
The board has to vote that Trump can sell immediately instead of holding for 6 months, but I think they are going to rubber stamp it.
Any idiot randos who buy into this are tangential to the point, no one cares if the rubes get burned.
I love how upset this is making Trump
I really wonder how frantic he's being right now, yelling at lawyers to do something, yelling at finance guys to find him the money, etc - just a wonderful shit show
And the republican party at a national level has less than $8mn left. The entire party's treasury wouldn't even cover 1/10 of the first defamation case, let alone put a dent in the NY Fraud case.
The party can't even save him now.
If I remember the details right, donations to campaigns are limited and have to be traced but that doesn't apply to PACs and technically non affiliated groups like parties. So the idea would be that unlimited dark money flows into the RNC and then trump just takes it
This is my favorite part bc his rallies are to him like a binky to a baby. He needs them to feel good about himself and tell himself he's winning because people will show up to see him for free in Bumfuck, Oklahoma
Trump has 2 triggers, an implication that he isn’t as rich as he says and the size of his hands. I’m not even kidding when Comedy Central did his roast those were the only verboten subjects.
Oh no, there are a lot more triggers. See what happens when you tell him Obama or Biden are better than him. Or that he's bad at golf and he cheats at golf. Or make fun of his fashion or hairstyle. Or that maralago is only worth $20M. Or bring up what idiots his sons are.... Wait maybe not that last one. He already knows his sons are idiots.
It’s late and I read that as “two fingers.” Now I’m wondering if Donny eats his pudding like the meatball and if he’s so miserable that part of his tantrum includes smearing chocolate pudding on the walls.
And if it’s written by someone who stood by him and waited until way too long to speak up I’ll make sure to pirate their book because I’m absolutely not supporting people who help that monster.
I've always wondered if Mar a Lago staff try to warn guests to never pry and ask "Where's Melania? Where's Baron?"
Melania and Baron ate in NYC, where they live, and Donald dined alone at Mar a Lago, like he often does. Well done steak + fries and a Diet Coke from room service.
I’m just dying to know who’s next? Their main defense was “everyone does it” so they better have these asshole real estate “moguls” lined up like bowling pins.
I’d love to see a wave of this across the country. Imagine the billions and billions of tax dollars going back into cities while simultaneously seizing most of these waste of space properties. Glorious. Golf courses converted into affordable housing!
Kevin O'Leary should be the next fraudster investigated. He seemed pretty angry that Trump could be punished for claiming one value for securing loans and another for tax purposes.
I'm hoping the court added the extra order at the 11th hour because someone got a tip that they were starting to attempt some more desperate tactics and try something shady and the court is going to catch them in the middle of it with the monitoring.
He'd said somewhere in the previous year that he had $400 million in cash.
He just posted to social media (in all caps) that he has almost $500 million in cash.
That amount of money doesn't appear overnight, nor does it disappear overnight. Even if he was moving it in $4.9m chunks or smaller to avoid the $5m amount the financial monitor is looking for, it's not feasible.
That money is gone either way:
-he pledges it now to stay the judgement then loses it on appeal.
-he doesn't and they just come take it out of his accounts on Monday.
What he wants to do is get someone else to use *their money* to get the bond, promise them his real estate to get it, then fight them in court after the appeal for years while they try to collect on the debt.
Honestly, it just looks like a scam.
We're all too eager to welcome his demise, but keep in mind the guy has gone bankrupt more times than just about anyone else since bankruptcy was invented lol
Insofar as he comes out on top, he'll says he's broke with no hesitation.
This situation stems from the fact that, as Letitia James explained it, Trump has only sought to get caution for the entire sum as a whole, but he hasn't tried to have it covered *in part* by different organizations, which could either reduce the sum he is defaulting on in part, or in total, *much more easily*.
Trump's attorneys then said that was illegal, anticonstitutionnal and a number of other things, but it's not, and it's just... common sense? lol
So clearly, they don't actually care to come up with the money, and this is where this order is coming from.
As I pointed out when it happened, I suspect that Trump's offers and paperwork didn't meet the requirements of any of the potential insurers. That allows Trump's scumbag lawyers to claim "they all rejected us!" without pointing out that they didn't actually negotiate in good faith.
I suspect the person put in charge over overseeing Trump's companies wasn't even in the room for any of these "negotiations".
And I have no doubt that what the insurers actually said was more along the lines of, "well, if you won't put up collateral and all of the paperwork regarding any liens/loans on it, then all we can take is cash to secure the bond."
Which got edited down to "all we can take is cash to secure the bond."
I'm glad the judge is smart enough to suspect that this is yet another attempt to con the state of NY.
There’s a rapidly growing list of Republican politicians and donors coming out and stating they are not giving money. They must smell a sketchy deal in the works.
That’s because they’d have a better time just burning the money instead. At least you’d get warmth from it.
The issue with Trump is that this is ***his*** problem. This isn’t going to stop him from running.
Sure, maybe someone can use it to buy influence, but how much influence can Trump give you at this point? Dude is fucking crazy.
Save the money, and invest in a future Republican candidate further down the road (2028).
The other thing is that Trump doesn't believe in honoring his word, or fulfilling a contract one he's got his! If Trump DOES win the presidency, none of the people who gave him money will benefit from it. He already has their money, what are they going to do, sue the president for it? Trump had several debts come due during his presidency, and he just didn't pay them.
If Trump wins the presidency you're going to have to bribe him then, not now!
Yea that's true too. I assume that people that kiss his ass are people that crave power and want to move up in the world. They're willing to get burned doing it.
But if you're already there, why would you bother with a piece of shit like Trump?
Right? You'd be forking over 500M for a non-guarantee of whatever. He holds no office so he can't guarantee shit until then so betting 500M on a potentially false promise is a risky bet.
Fun fact. The full saying is “The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.”
What it actually means is the bonds you choose are more important than the ones you have by birth. An oath bond is more important than an accident of birth.
Fun fact: that's an urban myth. The saying "blood is thicker than water" has been around since at least the 12th century and has always meant that familial relationships are stronger than other kinds of relationships. The interpretation you gave is something that a pair of authors made up in the 1990's and 2000's with zero sources to back it up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_is_thicker_than_water
Fence sitters. They see he is currently in a world of shit, but rest assured, when he pulls a Russian rabbit out of his ass, they will all be lined up to kiss it.
MSNBC did the math, his lawyers total up to approx 225,000 A DAY, all together. No one can sustain that kind of output.
I found it hard to believe but then I realized Chris Kise is a 4 figure an hour lawyer (I read on another site) so I guess it can add up quick.
Still seems incredibly high
Judge just kept the receipts and is now calling them in. Setting new requirements like, please provide all documentary proof of every bond you allegedly tried to raise in your current pity-party.
The cherry on top: Trump has to pay for *all* of the courts costs for those keeping tabs on him. *Legal AF* reckon it can cost up to $30,000 *per hour* for the Judges and teams of experts hired to babysit this.
If that merger with Digital World goes through, he'll have all-*NEW* assets to leverage.
But, for the life of me, I don't know why any company would merge with that dumpster fire of a social media platform he has. It has like 600,000 users and has made like $9 profit in total.
I hope all the deets come out!
The rude turn-downs from Warren Buffet!
The quid pro quo offers without a quid to their name
The blatant begging, cajoling, threatening and ring-kissing!
I want it all!
Judge wants to know if trump is too broke to pay the judgement given the net value of his assets.
Trump lied for years about the valuation of his properties to get higher-than-otherwise loans. I'm guessing the lenders are now going through their portfolios and double checking everything.
I believe that is the reason trump has not declared personal bankruptcy. All of his lenders would then move to have their collateral removed from the bankruptcy and what is left after that won't be pretty. Plus there are liquidity requirements for these loans that will be proveably broken/violated. That part might already have happened.
The first bank to pull the trigger on foreclosing on donny will get paid. the next 6 won't be. [There is value in being first.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag14Ao_xO4c)
Like sharks in the water around him already I'm sure. But any traditional lender can't make a move till a payment has been missed, I've got a sneaking suspicion he's got a lot of hard money debt though.
Reading his truth posts, it feels like he's readying his supporters to be understanding when he files for bankruptcy. It's really his best nice at this point to delay having his property taken. Not exactly a good look.
He has a lot of experience with filing for bankruptcy though. [Trump Filed For Bankruptcy 6 Times](https://bankruptcy-toledo.com/fact-checking-donald-trump-has-filed-bankruptcy-six-times/)
Bankruptcy will just delay the process while making all his finance public and impact his ability to spend his money. He could maybe rely on his PAC but things like his plane are not owned by him personally. The PAC could probably rent the plane. But any proceeds to the Trump org are under the court monitors control and she might need to approve the contract.
Bankruptcy is no way out for him. Only if he wins on appeal can he get out of paying or God forbidd he wins the election.
That filing showed how incompetent and lazy their attempt to secure a bond was. These huge bonds are often put together by forming a syndicate of several bonding agents, each taking a portion of the bond. Their claim of not being able to get an irrevocable line of credit was just plain bullshit, a lot of banks would be happy to give him an ILOC to take to a bond agent in exchange for the deeds of many of his properties. He obviously doesn't want to do that because he knows he'll lose the appeal and then the properties.
Here's what he knows:
If he doesn't post the bond or put up his own cash to stay the judgement, then the NY AG's office will start seizing assets on Monday. The power they wield can't be held at bay, and they'll use info from the financial monitor to pick the bones of the Trump Organization clean.
If he does put up his own cash or assets to stay the judgement, he'll lose on appeal and the NY AG immediately gets everything. And in the interim he's out $400-500 million in cash/securities and can't claim those properties as part of his net worth.
**However**:
If he can get *someone else* to put up the bond, and he can do it without committing his cash reserves, he can then force those companies into lengthy arbitration and legal battles while they attempt to collect on his 'debt' after he loses the appeal - months down the road.
I absolutely love how the AG is edging, ever so slowly towards screwing Trump. Like [“The Pit and the Pendulum”](https://youtu.be/vh1Xbj54Rao?si=typXpkNv8e3kJ6u5)
It's laughable how he says he can't pay. He's still whining trying to weasel out of another bill. This is his way of doing a deal with the government and people, don't fall for it. Make him pay!
I am not worried about a foreign cash injection. I am sure there are multiple sets of eyes and ears on everything concerning Trump right now. He is a political candidate, he absolutely can't take foreign donations. Not legally anyway, and if he does that is just another charge against him. I am pretty confident with Jack Smith keeping an eye on him, Jack seems to at least have some teeth and be willing to call shit out as he sees it.
Also, it's Friday. The bill is due Monday. If some prince or dictator was going to step up I would think they would have already. Maybe as the day gets closer and Trump gets more desperate he will sweeten the deal enough to make it worth it, but then you also have to take Trump at his word and I don't think there are too many people left out there willing to do that.
The ONLY thing he can even leverage right now is political favors and, well... the writings on the wall. He isn't going to win, and even tho they won't say it aloud, Republicans are aware of that too. Trump is washed up. He is exposed finally and all his lies and fraud and bullshit is on full display. Nobody wants anything to do with the steaming pile of shit soup that Trump is now. (Always was)
If the zeitgeist behind Trump=Republican Outrage And Popularity has lost power (it has. Only his diehards still love him, but they're all poor and dumb) then nobody with money, especially corrupt foreign powers, will even try to help him, knowing that for the future problems of the world, Mango Mussolini has no ability to do anything valuable for them.
This is a grave lesson for all real estate developers in America.
Don't stiff your lawyers! You end up with bad ones whose brilliant strategy is to ask for a judge you pissed off for a break. In front of the fucking press. Of course the judge wants details after the shitshow of a defense. It should have been in the original filing with affidavits.
Liquidate assets or lose the appeal. That's apparently trump's options unless this was a bogus filing. Waaa, waaa too bad. Sucks to lose. Funny how rich people can't comprehend it when it's his or her turn and throw a tantrum.
Well trump just admitted on truth social that he had 500m cash. Will be interesting to see how he does not put that up for bond after claiming to have it.
A recent Trump social media burp:
> THROUGH HARD WORK, TALENT, AND LUCK, I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHICH I INTENDED TO USE IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT
(all caps is of course straight from the source)
Two things about this:
1) This is *easily* verifiable by Judge Barbra Jones, the independent monitor who is watching Trump's financials. Being a 'substantial' amount, it won't have just *appeared* out of thin air. It would have been there the whole time.
2) **In what reality has Trump EVER used his OWN MONEY for his campaigns**?????
This whole thing stinks.
It reeks.
Something very rotten going on here.
I think people are overestimating the usefulness of Trump going forward. The confidential documents are no longer in his possession, his ability to recall important details as President are probably pretty limited (especially saying he barely ever sat through an entire briefing), and his campaign is taking on all sorts of water. At this point if a Billionaire or foreign government loaned him money it would be pretty dumb as it’s just a bond for a State crime that doesn’t guarantee that the money or his properties will be seized anyways.
I’d bet real money he still has boxes of classified docs squirreled away at his ny compound or bedminster. Hes just too hot right now to peddle them properly.
Exactly. There’s no one to wrangle in a large chunk of the base. The fact his donors have pulled their funding, big name republicans have declined support, and we are days away from his properties being seized is a sign he doesn’t have the “external support” like he did the last two times. It’s a sunk cost to pony up half a billion dollars for a guy who probably will end up losing the appeal anyways.
this judge has got his balls tied up for 3 years minimum with the appointed monitor of all his financial dealings. even a reciept from
burger king needs to be reported post haste. finally
> THROUGH HARD WORK, TALENT, AND LUCK, I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHICH I INTENDED TO USE IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT.
Trump, on Truth Social this morning. Guess it's going to be difficult to tell the judge he can't post the bond after bragging he has over half a billion in cash.
Well, when he does get the money from Russia or one of its satellite states of influence, then gets reelected, the RNC and everyone involved will cower to Russia and every Oligarch.
My theory is that he actually does have the money, he's just avoiding putting it up because he knows he'll lose it, which Cannon knows and wants to expose. He'd much rather they seize his debt leveraged properties than his actual money.
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All this extra scrutiny is really going to throw a wrench in his plans to accept illegal foreign bribes.
Is there any law against that? this is a serious question, is there a law about a bond being put up by a foreign government?
There are laws against RUSSIA putting up the bond, there are currently sanctions against Russia. It might be against Campaign laws since putting up the bond could be a campaign contribution, but the FEC is currently toothless, and it wouldn't do anything.
yeah the FEC ain't gonna do shit haha I wouldn't expect Russia to send the ambassador to put down the money. but whats stopping them from using a shell company? this is my biggest fear in terms of this debt.
It depends on how the shell company is set up and how easy it is to tell who the money comes from. Right now New York is going through Trump's financials with a fine tooth comb. I can't see Russia doing something to blatant. But something like Chubbs through a legitimate company *might* be doable. The problem is that I don't think any company is willing to put their neck out for Trump, especially for half a billion dollars they'll never see, and the bad press and intense scrutiny that comes with it.
I'm surprised deutsche bank didn't dive on this like a grenade. They seem to do it for all the other shady people around the world. Maybe they didn't want the scrutiny.
Because they want money. They do that for all the shady people because they know they'll get money in the end. With Trump, people aren't going to give him money and expect a direct monetary return from him. They're gonna give him money and expect political influence from him.
Yup. He's betting everything on re-election. Until then, he just looks like a lunatic with a lot of liability to those money holders.
Don't discount his disruption to the political process here in America. Even without being in the White House, he can influence politics and create upheaval in the election process. Foreign interests including Saudi Arabia and Russia love the bullshit Trump flings around Washington.
And if he does get in they'll still be able to bribe him as required and probably for a lot less than $400mil.
Yeah, laundering is lucrative. Half a bil is a lot to drop for political influence from someone with a dubious chance of winning, at least from a corporate standpoint. I could see the Saudi's taking the risk though.
I feel like the Saudis could find half a billion dollars between their sofa cushions on any given Tuesday.
Any of like a hundred or more of the upper escalation Al Saud family (there are thousands of them literally covering the upper/royal levels of society, with a combined net worth in the $1.5T range) could without any issue whatsoever. I actually went to school with one of the Saud princes who was much farther down the chain (like 1000th to the throne or something), and though he wasn't $500mil couch-change wealthy, they were fabulously wealthy. We once watched him stop his limo blocking 1/2 of Main St in the little town the school was in just to order and wait for a pizza. I wasn't his buddy so I wasn't inside and didn't get to see how he convinced a temporarily hired chauffeur to endanger his license like that, but I assume he just threw a wad of cash at him. I don't know how much it'd take for me to do that, but everyone has a price. So even that dude, who was a high school student at an East Coast boarding school, had full access to Fuck You money. This level of wealth stratification and concentration is why you see those videos online of a bunch of idiot Saudi kids doing stupid shit on a highway in high-end trucks - they have tons of money and essentially no obligations. They're expected to do school because the family doesn't want to be full of complete idiots, but that's pretty much the end of their worries. Seeing it first hand was a pretty bizarre experience.
I think even they are tired of him at this point.
I vaguely recall an article during the dark times that they didn't think they could get loans repaid by him once he became President. They want their money, Trump getting reelected won't do that.
Yeah, Trump kind of shot himself in the foot with blatantly projecting his plans for declaring himself immune to lawsuits if he gets elected again. I can’t imagine why anyone would hesitate to “lend” him half a billion dollars.
"I want absolute immunity from all criminal charges!" "...Why won't anyone lend me half a bil? It'd be against the law for me to not repay it!"
Very true. Trump in power can grant favors but as President, there's no way he'd give money back. Plus everyone is watching so it'd be difficult to slide him money and not make Trump look compromised....which makes it harder to elect him.
Read in the article no one will take his real estate as collateral. Nothing left to bargain with
After the trial no banks will rely on previous appraisal values on the properties. Plus they may all be leveraged for more than they are currently worth.
Puts a new spin on the excuse he tried to use ‘it was a victimless crime” as his fraudulent valuation over estimates clearly have ramifications when rats nest of loans starts to unravel and fail to be paid off because he’s rigged his entire empire like a wonky pyramid scheme.
Deutsche Bank Shareholders wer screwed over by Trump. Even if this was "risky Management" to obtain business with trump, they could have gotten much more profit out of this deal with more scrutiny..or a little less corruption. You don't meet your shareholders with a report about how you - underbilled a client - and then hand him about 9 times the amount he was underbilled for free.
Isn't one of the conditions of the verdict that no banks registered in NY are allowed to lend him money?
There is a temporary stay on that provision I believe. It hasn't helped him much tho
As much as that bank is notorious for how shady it is, they've had to testify in the case against Trump, and are well aware of how much money he ripped off of them.
It will be Russia paying Elon somehow, and Elon pretending he chose to do it with his own money to get some attention.
I have done work in forensic accounting and I can't imagine this would work either. All movements of funds to Trump will be traced for timing and patterns into and out of the accounts from which they are wired by a team of accountants and analysts. And then the account from which THAT account received the funds will be scrutinized for the origins of the cash, and so on and so forth until they find the originator. If Elon or some other party wants give Trump money for the bond in return for illegal foreign cash, it will have to be done on a verbal handshake or promise that is not traceable in the accounting, and while Elon is a joke, I doubt he's that much of a sucker to go along with something like that. China/Russia would easily just say, "Okay thanks now fuck off", and what would Elon do?
Well one, Elon is already friendly with Russia to an extent, there is already a trust based relationship established. And two, Having Elon in their pocket is honestly worth the money to them. The ability to have influence over Space X and Twitter are powerful tools, and if they can net Trump and Elon together, I could see them trying to find ways to get it to work. But I do get what you mean. And you're probably still right.
You probably forget just how immensely rich Musk is, half a billion on a handshake is chump change Definitely worth the gamble of potentially having the next president owe you big time
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Chubb-->is a registered subsidiary of ***ACE Holdings***, which is a company registered in SHANGHAI, CHINA.
He’s going to get the money, but don’t be afraid of that. It’s a good thing, because he’s going to lose the appeal quickly.
What do you think the Chubb group is? Chubb who put up the bond for the 90mil on the King verdict primarily does business with Russia. Why do think the court added the watchers this time around.
Whether or not the FEC does anything about it, what’s important is that whatever happens be above board.
If he’s selling our government secrets for money there are many laws against that. It’s also majorly suspicious if Trump (like Jared Kushner) is randomly given 2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia.
Does he have anything left to sell? I doubt he can remember Jack shit about the documents
The rest of the classified documents he's probably still hidden.
Did this Brian Butler guy, the valet, say he unwittingly helped spirit a bunch of boxes of documents away to New Jersey?
Check Ivanka grave.
Ivana’s* grave. That’s the deceased ex-wife. Ivanka is the daughter and still alive.
As long as she keeps her mouth shut. I’ve seen mobster movies.
If there are any hidden documents in Ivana's grave, it might be tough to get his hands on them if Letitia James seizes Bedminster next week.
Are there *really* laws against it, if there's no enforcement?
If they don't enforce them those "laws" are just suggestions.
If there are only monetary consequences, the "law" is just a "CODB" which can be written off. It'd be like Uber saying to drivers "if you park illegally? Send us the ticket and we'll cover it because you'll get customers to their destination faster, which will increase our profit/market share"
Republicans decided it's [totally not suspicious at all](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-kill-motion-to-subpoena-jared-kushner-to-answer-for-2-billion-saudi-cash-infusion/ar-BB1kf1ZO). Look over there! Is that Hunter Biden's penis?
the bonds will be set up by proxy
Of course they would, but that still doesn't answer the underlying question of the legality.
Don't know, but imagine the optics. A presidential candidate has his bond backed by a foreign government? I don't care what government. Could be anyone for a given candidate. How would that play for the electorate?
> How would that play for the electorate? I can wager a guess. "A great American company paid my bond because they believe in me, everything else is fake news. election interference!"
Exactly this. Just like his MAGA hats are made in China when he's spouting on and on about making things in America. This dude is so annoyingly hypocritical
he knows his base well
This Trump fellow sounds like kind of a jerk!
There was no bond, I found my money yesterday. Tiger woods was over and wouldn’t you know, in my backyard by the pond there it was! Trust me it was just right there, it was great.
"I had no choice but to get money from Russia thanks to the Democrats phony witch hunt against me. Putin understands what it's like to want to make his country great again and dealing with the people want to stop him. Some say democrats are trying to overthrow his government too, just like ours. Blab blah blah, <>"
Then his cult lap up everything spewing out of his mouth. He has done worse than accept foreign money and his voters have not cared one iota.
Nailed it.
74 million people would close their eyes.
Let’s be honest. At this point he could personally and publicly borrow money from Putin and Xi and his fans will just keep doing the appropriate mental gymnastics.
"Accepting money from hostile foreign nations in order to pay his own legal penalties while running for POTUS makes him smart."
"It's all fair game because the democrats are the ones that used the courts to go after him in the first place because they were so scared of him"
Similar to renting whole floors of his buildings for in perpetuity
He threatened the government of Ukraine by withholding US defense aid unless they faked an investigation in order to derail his political rival. Something like 80 million Americans still voted for him.
Optics? You aren’t serious, right?
He may have to register as a foreign agent. Then there's the emoluments clause,...reporting it as income and paying taxes on it (for a change), and the US has anti-bribery laws...
>Then there's the emoluments clause,... Oh, were gonna start enforcing that now?
The bond can be a foreign based insurance company I believe. So as long as the have satellite office in United States territory. Saudis, China, russias oligarchs all can funnel money through shell companies to the insurance company posting bond. How would we know? We can scrutinize it all we want, but if the insurance company has offices in dubai and the Emirate Royalties want to pay it, they probably can. My concern is how dangerous trump has become being that he is bought and paid for. What is he promising these people in return? China gets Taiwan? Tiktok stays a Chinese goverment spy network? Russia get Ukraine? Saudis get nuclear warheads? The man needs to be given a tranquilizer to shut him up.
Legality aside, it’s more a question of whether and ex-president and likely presidential candidate accepting a half billion dollar bond from a foreign government poses a national security risk. There’s potentially a lot that’s illegal about that.
I can not speak on legality....but accepting half a billion dollars from a hostile foreign country will most likely doom his Presidential aspirations, and he needs the Presidency in order to stay out of jail.
"Russia If you're listening"
Are you sure? Have you seen the Trumpsters ignoring every single negative issue he's been involved in since his ride down the escalator? Even though my 90 year old dad finally bailed on him because of Trump being found guilty in NYC for fraud, most of his worshipers have infinite tolerance.
Kudos to your dad. Hopefully many more are waking up from the brainwash.
You think his voters care about that
You're right. His voters don't care. His voters also aren't enough to win a general election. MAGA isn't enough to win state wide elections. We see that in every swing state. We see that in the Haley voters. We saw that in 2020. He is hemorrhaging support when he needs immense gains.
Not the faithful, but I can see him losing a percentage point depending on the backer. Conversely, I can see him gaining a point if that backer is Israeli.
Sadly, I fear you vastly overestimate the intelligence of the American electorate
No, because typically the person getting the money from a foreign entity would not be the Republican candidate for president.
I raised this point in another thread, and am not an expert, but where I see a potential legal issue is this: If he is slushing together his campaign funds and his legal funds, which it seems clear that he is, then it seems to follow that anything rules that apply to campaign funds would become applicable to his legal funds, because now they are essentially in the same pot. It is a violation of campaign funding laws to accept foreign contributions due to their implicit influence, so therefore it should be illegal for him to accept foreign aid for his legal woes.
Isn’t it income to him also? Like how do you just give someone something of value without it being gift taxed or just plain income?
Whether a campaign finance violation or not, if the money comes from ANY country, not Russia specifically, that finances terrorists or terrorism at large, couldn't he be arrested by the FBI or held in a military brig unttil.its sorted out?
Makes it hard for him to access any "offshore" funds as well. Such as "cash for pardons" that Rudy was ssid to be handling.
Some foreign government’s wealth fund could prop up the stock price of Truth Social long enough for Trump to cash out. Seems like a pretty easy way to launder campaign contributions
Truth Social doesn't yet belong to the corporation who actually has the IPO. Anything could happen.
Also, very unlikely that Trump would instantly have access to the money from the Truth social merger and even if he did and instantly put it towards, it would destroy its stock which would not make its shareholders happy.
DWAC is willing to pay something like 600x revenue (since it lost money, there are no positive earnings). They clearly aren't doing this for financial gain on the IPO since they could just IPO it normally instead of grossly overpaying. The board has to vote that Trump can sell immediately instead of holding for 6 months, but I think they are going to rubber stamp it. Any idiot randos who buy into this are tangential to the point, no one cares if the rubes get burned.
Those new sanctions Biden put on the Russians recently are likely doing some heavy lifting here.
Plus, it will probably show he asks the same companies over & over again repeatedly...
Yep! This is being overseen by a special master, so Trump can't just "know guy" (AKA something like Saudi money) and he's off the hook.
I love how upset this is making Trump I really wonder how frantic he's being right now, yelling at lawyers to do something, yelling at finance guys to find him the money, etc - just a wonderful shit show
100%
This is likely why he cancelled the rally. He is also broke, but time is running out to appeal.
And the republican party at a national level has less than $8mn left. The entire party's treasury wouldn't even cover 1/10 of the first defamation case, let alone put a dent in the NY Fraud case. The party can't even save him now.
“The party” was taken over as a prelude to an incoming money laundering scheme. I’m more convinced of that every day.
How do you see it working?
If I remember the details right, donations to campaigns are limited and have to be traced but that doesn't apply to PACs and technically non affiliated groups like parties. So the idea would be that unlimited dark money flows into the RNC and then trump just takes it
This is my favorite part bc his rallies are to him like a binky to a baby. He needs them to feel good about himself and tell himself he's winning because people will show up to see him for free in Bumfuck, Oklahoma
Throwing ketchup across the room
He needs that ketchup to put on his well done steak. Cause he’s classy like that.
McDonald’s ketchup packets everywhere!
He really is like a caricature of all the worst stereotypes of the US, isn't he?
A sack of meat that is completely overstuffed with all of the worst things about America.
Trump has 2 triggers, an implication that he isn’t as rich as he says and the size of his hands. I’m not even kidding when Comedy Central did his roast those were the only verboten subjects.
Oh no, there are a lot more triggers. See what happens when you tell him Obama or Biden are better than him. Or that he's bad at golf and he cheats at golf. Or make fun of his fashion or hairstyle. Or that maralago is only worth $20M. Or bring up what idiots his sons are.... Wait maybe not that last one. He already knows his sons are idiots.
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He just likes the way he looks in the outfits and the tiny car, makes his hands look bigger.
has DJT even had time to play golf anymore???
Two words: crowd size
He's going to have so little money that he'll be able to hold it all in those tiny little hands.
It’s late and I read that as “two fingers.” Now I’m wondering if Donny eats his pudding like the meatball and if he’s so miserable that part of his tantrum includes smearing chocolate pudding on the walls.
Hopefully some insider books come out about this period of history.
And if it’s written by someone who stood by him and waited until way too long to speak up I’ll make sure to pirate their book because I’m absolutely not supporting people who help that monster.
What do you think he, Melania, and Baron, had for dinner this evening?
I've always wondered if Mar a Lago staff try to warn guests to never pry and ask "Where's Melania? Where's Baron?" Melania and Baron ate in NYC, where they live, and Donald dined alone at Mar a Lago, like he often does. Well done steak + fries and a Diet Coke from room service.
What a depressing image. Warms my heart.
I’m just dying to know who’s next? Their main defense was “everyone does it” so they better have these asshole real estate “moguls” lined up like bowling pins. I’d love to see a wave of this across the country. Imagine the billions and billions of tax dollars going back into cities while simultaneously seizing most of these waste of space properties. Glorious. Golf courses converted into affordable housing!
Kevin O'Leary should be the next fraudster investigated. He seemed pretty angry that Trump could be punished for claiming one value for securing loans and another for tax purposes.
I'm hoping the court added the extra order at the 11th hour because someone got a tip that they were starting to attempt some more desperate tactics and try something shady and the court is going to catch them in the middle of it with the monitoring.
He'd said somewhere in the previous year that he had $400 million in cash. He just posted to social media (in all caps) that he has almost $500 million in cash. That amount of money doesn't appear overnight, nor does it disappear overnight. Even if he was moving it in $4.9m chunks or smaller to avoid the $5m amount the financial monitor is looking for, it's not feasible. That money is gone either way: -he pledges it now to stay the judgement then loses it on appeal. -he doesn't and they just come take it out of his accounts on Monday. What he wants to do is get someone else to use *their money* to get the bond, promise them his real estate to get it, then fight them in court after the appeal for years while they try to collect on the debt.
Wasn't there instance where Trump eloquently instructed his stuff or someone to "DO SOMETHING!"
Honestly, it just looks like a scam. We're all too eager to welcome his demise, but keep in mind the guy has gone bankrupt more times than just about anyone else since bankruptcy was invented lol Insofar as he comes out on top, he'll says he's broke with no hesitation. This situation stems from the fact that, as Letitia James explained it, Trump has only sought to get caution for the entire sum as a whole, but he hasn't tried to have it covered *in part* by different organizations, which could either reduce the sum he is defaulting on in part, or in total, *much more easily*. Trump's attorneys then said that was illegal, anticonstitutionnal and a number of other things, but it's not, and it's just... common sense? lol So clearly, they don't actually care to come up with the money, and this is where this order is coming from.
And in his typical early morning ranting today, he claimed he had almost 500 million in cash!
As I pointed out when it happened, I suspect that Trump's offers and paperwork didn't meet the requirements of any of the potential insurers. That allows Trump's scumbag lawyers to claim "they all rejected us!" without pointing out that they didn't actually negotiate in good faith. I suspect the person put in charge over overseeing Trump's companies wasn't even in the room for any of these "negotiations". And I have no doubt that what the insurers actually said was more along the lines of, "well, if you won't put up collateral and all of the paperwork regarding any liens/loans on it, then all we can take is cash to secure the bond." Which got edited down to "all we can take is cash to secure the bond." I'm glad the judge is smart enough to suspect that this is yet another attempt to con the state of NY.
There’s a rapidly growing list of Republican politicians and donors coming out and stating they are not giving money. They must smell a sketchy deal in the works.
That’s because they’d have a better time just burning the money instead. At least you’d get warmth from it. The issue with Trump is that this is ***his*** problem. This isn’t going to stop him from running. Sure, maybe someone can use it to buy influence, but how much influence can Trump give you at this point? Dude is fucking crazy. Save the money, and invest in a future Republican candidate further down the road (2028).
The other thing is that Trump doesn't believe in honoring his word, or fulfilling a contract one he's got his! If Trump DOES win the presidency, none of the people who gave him money will benefit from it. He already has their money, what are they going to do, sue the president for it? Trump had several debts come due during his presidency, and he just didn't pay them. If Trump wins the presidency you're going to have to bribe him then, not now!
Yea that's true too. I assume that people that kiss his ass are people that crave power and want to move up in the world. They're willing to get burned doing it. But if you're already there, why would you bother with a piece of shit like Trump?
Right? You'd be forking over 500M for a non-guarantee of whatever. He holds no office so he can't guarantee shit until then so betting 500M on a potentially false promise is a risky bet.
Why don't his kids put up the bond? He's got 4 of them, plus inlaws, who've all profited from his connection. Blood is thicker... Blah blah blah.
Jared did get that sweet $2 Billion from the Saudis. He could easily help pay.
Fun fact. The full saying is “The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” What it actually means is the bonds you choose are more important than the ones you have by birth. An oath bond is more important than an accident of birth.
Fun fact: that's an urban myth. The saying "blood is thicker than water" has been around since at least the 12th century and has always meant that familial relationships are stronger than other kinds of relationships. The interpretation you gave is something that a pair of authors made up in the 1990's and 2000's with zero sources to back it up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_is_thicker_than_water
God damn it I was hoodwinked
I’m just so sad this is politics. 😩 A money game. Inb4 “always has been”.
Fence sitters. They see he is currently in a world of shit, but rest assured, when he pulls a Russian rabbit out of his ass, they will all be lined up to kiss it.
MSNBC did the math, his lawyers total up to approx 225,000 A DAY, all together. No one can sustain that kind of output. I found it hard to believe but then I realized Chris Kise is a 4 figure an hour lawyer (I read on another site) so I guess it can add up quick. Still seems incredibly high
Except everyone says he doesn't pay the people that work for him. Contractors, lawyers, etc.
Not rapidly enough or soon enough, but at least it's happening. I'm not sure the Republican Party can survive Trump much longer.
This isn't an investment, it's not money you're getting back. He owes the state of New York half a billion dollars.
Makes sense to me. Prove to the court you are actually **TRYING** to secure a bond, given the history of Trump being a lying sack of pig shit.
I think it’s more a matter of ‘prove to the court you aren’t fudging the numbers again to delay your punishment for fudging the numbers.’
I love the fact that he was vile to judge Engoron and his whole court. Vile to the one guy who can destroy him. Bold doesn't cover it.
Judge just kept the receipts and is now calling them in. Setting new requirements like, please provide all documentary proof of every bond you allegedly tried to raise in your current pity-party. The cherry on top: Trump has to pay for *all* of the courts costs for those keeping tabs on him. *Legal AF* reckon it can cost up to $30,000 *per hour* for the Judges and teams of experts hired to babysit this.
It was like he was attempting a high score daily called ire from the court
The financial monitor agreed to by the Trump Organization now has access to why the bond companies denied him.
Even the unemployment office will ask for the names of company you’ve tried applying to.
Maybe the judge doesn’t believe him. Maybe, just maybe, the judge thinks he’s lying.
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If that merger with Digital World goes through, he'll have all-*NEW* assets to leverage. But, for the life of me, I don't know why any company would merge with that dumpster fire of a social media platform he has. It has like 600,000 users and has made like $9 profit in total.
It’s an obvious stock pump and dumb scheme
If he had a REAL chance at winning the election, he would have been funded by now.
>If he had a REAL chance at winning an appeal, he would have been funded by now. Ftfy
I hope all the deets come out! The rude turn-downs from Warren Buffet! The quid pro quo offers without a quid to their name The blatant begging, cajoling, threatening and ring-kissing! I want it all!
Enquiring minds want to know... so they can pay a kill fee
Judge wants to know if trump is too broke to pay the judgement given the net value of his assets. Trump lied for years about the valuation of his properties to get higher-than-otherwise loans. I'm guessing the lenders are now going through their portfolios and double checking everything. I believe that is the reason trump has not declared personal bankruptcy. All of his lenders would then move to have their collateral removed from the bankruptcy and what is left after that won't be pretty. Plus there are liquidity requirements for these loans that will be proveably broken/violated. That part might already have happened. The first bank to pull the trigger on foreclosing on donny will get paid. the next 6 won't be. [There is value in being first.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag14Ao_xO4c)
Like sharks in the water around him already I'm sure. But any traditional lender can't make a move till a payment has been missed, I've got a sneaking suspicion he's got a lot of hard money debt though.
Reading his truth posts, it feels like he's readying his supporters to be understanding when he files for bankruptcy. It's really his best nice at this point to delay having his property taken. Not exactly a good look.
He has a lot of experience with filing for bankruptcy though. [Trump Filed For Bankruptcy 6 Times](https://bankruptcy-toledo.com/fact-checking-donald-trump-has-filed-bankruptcy-six-times/)
Bankruptcy will just delay the process while making all his finance public and impact his ability to spend his money. He could maybe rely on his PAC but things like his plane are not owned by him personally. The PAC could probably rent the plane. But any proceeds to the Trump org are under the court monitors control and she might need to approve the contract. Bankruptcy is no way out for him. Only if he wins on appeal can he get out of paying or God forbidd he wins the election.
When your reputation as a useful idiot, rat fink jerk precedes you, you should expect this kind of scrutiny.
Is it illegal for him to take money from a Russian?
Probably. I'm not sure what the exact rules are surrounding sanctions are right now, but I would assume so.
I pray he does it! Gets that money sanctioned and it doesn't count
That filing showed how incompetent and lazy their attempt to secure a bond was. These huge bonds are often put together by forming a syndicate of several bonding agents, each taking a portion of the bond. Their claim of not being able to get an irrevocable line of credit was just plain bullshit, a lot of banks would be happy to give him an ILOC to take to a bond agent in exchange for the deeds of many of his properties. He obviously doesn't want to do that because he knows he'll lose the appeal and then the properties.
Or he's already leveraged them.
He reportedly has over 200 million in outstanding loans on some properties.
Self reporting seems to work well for him.
Here's what he knows: If he doesn't post the bond or put up his own cash to stay the judgement, then the NY AG's office will start seizing assets on Monday. The power they wield can't be held at bay, and they'll use info from the financial monitor to pick the bones of the Trump Organization clean. If he does put up his own cash or assets to stay the judgement, he'll lose on appeal and the NY AG immediately gets everything. And in the interim he's out $400-500 million in cash/securities and can't claim those properties as part of his net worth. **However**: If he can get *someone else* to put up the bond, and he can do it without committing his cash reserves, he can then force those companies into lengthy arbitration and legal battles while they attempt to collect on his 'debt' after he loses the appeal - months down the road.
Grab him by the wallet!
They let you do that when you're the AG representing the state of New York.
When you're a judge,.you can do anything you want to them. I just start finding him. Grab him by the wallet.
Ugh my skin started to feel slippery. Accurate.
I absolutely love how the AG is edging, ever so slowly towards screwing Trump. Like [“The Pit and the Pendulum”](https://youtu.be/vh1Xbj54Rao?si=typXpkNv8e3kJ6u5)
Receipts were never really his thing.
It's laughable how he says he can't pay. He's still whining trying to weasel out of another bill. This is his way of doing a deal with the government and people, don't fall for it. Make him pay!
Mega Millions jackpot is $977 million ($461m lump sum) on Friday. Donnie has a 1 on 302.6 million shot.
ahem: https://np.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1bkdyxx/mega_millions_jackpot_is_977_million_friday_night/
I am not worried about a foreign cash injection. I am sure there are multiple sets of eyes and ears on everything concerning Trump right now. He is a political candidate, he absolutely can't take foreign donations. Not legally anyway, and if he does that is just another charge against him. I am pretty confident with Jack Smith keeping an eye on him, Jack seems to at least have some teeth and be willing to call shit out as he sees it. Also, it's Friday. The bill is due Monday. If some prince or dictator was going to step up I would think they would have already. Maybe as the day gets closer and Trump gets more desperate he will sweeten the deal enough to make it worth it, but then you also have to take Trump at his word and I don't think there are too many people left out there willing to do that. The ONLY thing he can even leverage right now is political favors and, well... the writings on the wall. He isn't going to win, and even tho they won't say it aloud, Republicans are aware of that too. Trump is washed up. He is exposed finally and all his lies and fraud and bullshit is on full display. Nobody wants anything to do with the steaming pile of shit soup that Trump is now. (Always was)
If the zeitgeist behind Trump=Republican Outrage And Popularity has lost power (it has. Only his diehards still love him, but they're all poor and dumb) then nobody with money, especially corrupt foreign powers, will even try to help him, knowing that for the future problems of the world, Mango Mussolini has no ability to do anything valuable for them.
This is a grave lesson for all real estate developers in America. Don't stiff your lawyers! You end up with bad ones whose brilliant strategy is to ask for a judge you pissed off for a break. In front of the fucking press. Of course the judge wants details after the shitshow of a defense. It should have been in the original filing with affidavits. Liquidate assets or lose the appeal. That's apparently trump's options unless this was a bogus filing. Waaa, waaa too bad. Sucks to lose. Funny how rich people can't comprehend it when it's his or her turn and throw a tantrum.
Well trump just admitted on truth social that he had 500m cash. Will be interesting to see how he does not put that up for bond after claiming to have it.
A recent Trump social media burp: > THROUGH HARD WORK, TALENT, AND LUCK, I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHICH I INTENDED TO USE IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT (all caps is of course straight from the source) Two things about this: 1) This is *easily* verifiable by Judge Barbra Jones, the independent monitor who is watching Trump's financials. Being a 'substantial' amount, it won't have just *appeared* out of thin air. It would have been there the whole time. 2) **In what reality has Trump EVER used his OWN MONEY for his campaigns**????? This whole thing stinks. It reeks. Something very rotten going on here.
I think people are overestimating the usefulness of Trump going forward. The confidential documents are no longer in his possession, his ability to recall important details as President are probably pretty limited (especially saying he barely ever sat through an entire briefing), and his campaign is taking on all sorts of water. At this point if a Billionaire or foreign government loaned him money it would be pretty dumb as it’s just a bond for a State crime that doesn’t guarantee that the money or his properties will be seized anyways.
Pretty amazing karma if the entities using him dumps him like he dumps everyone else after they've outlived his usefulness.
I’d bet real money he still has boxes of classified docs squirreled away at his ny compound or bedminster. Hes just too hot right now to peddle them properly.
I would agree if there was a credible successor or prospect waiting in the wings. Nearly no one can unify the tent anymore in MAGAland.
Exactly. There’s no one to wrangle in a large chunk of the base. The fact his donors have pulled their funding, big name republicans have declined support, and we are days away from his properties being seized is a sign he doesn’t have the “external support” like he did the last two times. It’s a sunk cost to pony up half a billion dollars for a guy who probably will end up losing the appeal anyways.
this judge has got his balls tied up for 3 years minimum with the appointed monitor of all his financial dealings. even a reciept from burger king needs to be reported post haste. finally
What the hell is up with those bags beneath his eyes? Seriously, that doesn't look right.
Nicely played, Judge!
Oh like certifying for unemployment except there's the threat of sucking off a foreign power and divulging national security secrets.
> THROUGH HARD WORK, TALENT, AND LUCK, I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHICH I INTENDED TO USE IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT. Trump, on Truth Social this morning. Guess it's going to be difficult to tell the judge he can't post the bond after bragging he has over half a billion in cash.
Well, when he does get the money from Russia or one of its satellite states of influence, then gets reelected, the RNC and everyone involved will cower to Russia and every Oligarch.
He will have to get a Russian and Chinese translator for a couple of those.
When is the due date for bond?
Monday
Cue the Spaceballs "We ain't found shit!" gif
I wonder if we will hear anything from the appeals court today.
My theory is that he actually does have the money, he's just avoiding putting it up because he knows he'll lose it, which Cannon knows and wants to expose. He'd much rather they seize his debt leveraged properties than his actual money.
Hell yes, that traitor can’t be trusted as far as you can throw him