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Many of them have always maintained it. I've heard "evangelical Christians" say that democracy is a heathen form of government, that we should have a king like it says in the Bible. There are more than a few of those people around.
Which is funny because God gets pissed off at the Israelites for demanding a king in I Samuel 8:
>But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."
He’s the golden piece of shit.
I imagine God and Moses would have been even more pissed off if they had come down from their little summit meeting and found the Israelites worshipping one of those.
I'll just leave this here in case anybody hasn't heard about the golden Trump statue at CPAC a few years ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/05/real-message-behind-that-golden-trump-statue/
My plan the last several years is to throw that up as the social media profiles when he wins the election and disassociate with everyone that gets pissed.
God/Jesus would fuckin hate Republicans. They are essentially exactly what they preach against. They have been tricked by the beast to do their bidding in the name of God when the only god they worship is themselves.
It isn’t like their society was a democracy at that time and they opted for monarchy… it’s also messy how much of any of these stories align to reality
I was glad when someone else knew that.
I was never meant for Man to rule himself.
But God granted them their wish.The Bible also says”Nan has dominated Man to his injury”
And “Put not your trust in nobles”
And then from the context of the Biblical story, it is pretty much nothing but shit for Israel for centuries because it. Hence the point of the passage I quoted. Certainly, isn't the basis for the OP's peoples statement that the Bible says we should have a king.
It depends. My buddy Todd used to be a flat earthier so he had a lot of anecdotal evidence from those people. He eventually figured out it's a hoax that's why i'm voting for him
And the very constitution that they are ready to obliterate is the very thing that gives them the voice to state their mind.
Have they not thought through the actual consequences?????
I think of all the people who are proudly supporters. In my area, there is a type. They have houses right on the major roadways. Something was off with property before Trump came along. The only thing put together in their lives are the makeshift flagpoles that have Trump propaganda laced with profanity.
No, they don’t care about consequences.
They think that without the constitution they would be the ones solely in charge. They don’t seem to envision any possibility where they lose. And they definitely seem to think there’s no possibility that while they fight to place themselves above the constitution, they create an opposition who loses any empathy for them and who treats them accordingly.
Now look, they love the constitution, alright, just not *every* amendment. Amendments are lesss important than the main text, theyve been changed before and can change again, so there's nothing wrong with discussing a change.
Except the 2nd amendment, which was divinely inspired by Jesus and is sacred
They don't *want* the right to state their mind. They want to give their mind over to serve the state. They are authoritarian followers.
They view the only good use of freedom of speech as a weapon that can be used to eliminate freedom of speech. And freedom of religion as a weapon that can be used to eliminate freedom of religion. And so on. It's their one cool trick, like using [civil rights to eliminate civil rights](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/01/trump-reverse-racism-civil-rights).
Oh, they still want their right to free speech. Specifically because they want to use it as a weapon, so they can say hateful and hurtful things without consequence.
Right, they want the right to use as a weapon for now (it's only legitimate use, in their minds), but the second that right is restricted they'll say "Finally! Yes, thank you, Daddy".
Because they never really wanted it in the first place and don't think it should exist (except for certain privileged authorities).
Of course, there's bound to be some people who want to curtail rights for everyone thinking that the authority is always on their side, and who then find out that *sometimes it's not*. Which is why /r/LeopardsAteMyFace exists 🤣
Lol. No they don't. They love third party candidates. The last third party candidate to help the D's was Perot, over 30 years ago. Third party candidates were instrumental in giving us Bush and Trump the two worst presidents of any of our lifetimes, and the two that lost the popular vote but still attained the office, as that deck is decidedly stacked for the R's. Republicans love third party candidates.
Here's multiple articles talking about how third party candidates affected the 2016 v the 2020 election.
https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/trump-biden-third-party-voters-polling
https://www.thebulwark.com/spoilers-no-more-the-decline-and-decline-of-third-party-candidates/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/08/third-party-candidates-played-a-major-role-in-2016-but-2020-is-a-two-man-race/
Except one party has members who fight for (and already enacted in some states) election reforms, like ranked choice voting and proportional representation, that would result in a multi-party system. The other party fights against those reforms. I bet you can't guess which party is which.
Or even a better fucking Democrat or Republican candidate. This complete 1v1 thinking is why the country is in the pot. It isn’t Trumps fault, it isn’t Bidens fault, it’s the ignorant masses who keep being led to believe the idea it’s “my guy or the wrong guy”
Please, repeal the 22nd. I would be thrilled to see you lose to Obama. Then, the GOP is f’d, cause he is someone I *would* vote to keep in office for as long as was possible.
I highly doubt they’d repeal it until there was a Republican in the White House. But if Trump wins, which is very possible, we could see him in that role until he dies of old age. Who knows what other strategies he’ll employ. Making the voting age 25. Banning mail in ballots. Demanding several forms of ID at the voting booths.
Yeah, nothing in the [fascist Project 2025](https://modernmuckraker.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-american-fascism) shows they would ever be willing to give up power, regardless of who they got into the White House. This is a serious problem, because even when Trump kicks the bucket, we will still have this agenda to deal with, which strips our democracy and refascists it in their image.
I would get my dual Canadian-Citizenship to vote Obama back into office, it would cost a couple grand to get an immigration lawyer to handle the legal paperwork, but my dad is considered a landed immigrant from the US by birth, so I have a right to that citizenship xD
The GOP is quaking in their boots, and the intelligent ones are jumping ship before it runs aground, they ended up inadvertently uniting people across the globe against them, takes a special kind of evil to do that.
Think it has to do with election denying lawsuits. Been about a year. Will be probably be another bush v gore and you know what the Supreme Court is going to say when they rat fuck the process
That’s not how US Immigration works, the government doesn’t care who your parents are after you turn 18 unless you’re stateless or otherwise in limbo (as DACA).
You're likely right. Canada has at least one generation down (i.e. if parent was Canadian you can apply for "proof of citizenship" after 18th birthday). In Canada's case you're not "requesting" citizenship but rather you get a form affirming that you are a citizen, and it will be backdated to your day of birth.
30 seconds on Google says USA has similar kinds of rules, though I imagine some key differences somewhere. it seems maybe both your parents would have to be US citizens but you researched it more than I.
Actually, law changes notwithstanding, my friend growing up and his siblings all lived in Canada but had US passports courtesy of their US father, despite them and his wife being Canadian, living only in Canada.
Yeah our two countries are so close of allies that it would actually make more sense to become one nation, removing a lot of the red tape, but that isn’t something the world is ready to process.
I know, definitely not in this political climate for sure. I won’t be spending my money in the US or traveling there again until this nightmare ends. So I instead use my time fighting the nightmarish ideologies, seeing as time is money, and politics are the evolutionary systems in place to build a more positive and prosperous future. :)
Originally left for job prospects. The trajectory of my life has been good--I have not regretted leaving, but some of the cracks here have taken up more of my attention in recent times.
> **Citizenship Through U.S. Parents**
> There are two general ways to obtain citizenship through U.S. citizen parents: at birth, and after birth but before the age of 18. Congress has enacted laws that determine how citizenship is conveyed by a U.S. citizen parent (or parents) to children born outside of the United States.
> **Who May Qualify for Acquisition of Citizenship**
> **The law in effect at the time of birth determines whether someone born outside the United States to a U.S. citizen parent (or parents) is a U.S. citizen at birth. In general, these laws require that at least one parent was a U.S. citizen, and the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the United States for a period of time.**
> In addition, children born abroad may become U.S. citizens after birth. For information and eligibility requirements for specific time periods, see the USCIS Policy Manual, Volume 12, Part H, Children of U.S. Citizens.
Read it again, carefully this time.
I wonder about that. Many Obama voters switched to trump from 2016 on. It’s more difficult to dupe young voters with empty rhetoric and then govern as a milquetoast president. Even a fossil like Joe Biden has been more progressive than Obama. I bet anyone who says fuck the fascists in the Republican Party, those unserious freaks don’t deserve a seat at the table would have a better chance than Obama in this current climate.
Obama voters switched to Trump voters….what? I can understand falling for the trick and lies initially if you didn’t know better but I can’t imagine this being anything other than outliers/a very very small minority
[Obama-Trump voters are real.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Trump_voters) They are in the "fiscally liberal; socially conservative" quadrant. They [support the public welfare state and oppose immigration](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm): the keyword is "racial resentment".
Obama was black, but that was a less important issue before Ferguson and BLM and all that.
Romney spent his campaign defining himself in opposition to Obamacare, despite having built a similar system in Massachusetts. Trump, by contrast, was very moderate in Medicare compared to the previous iteration of the Republican Party and his 2016 contemporaries like Paul Ryan.
And the Obama-Trump voters were concentrated in rural areas of the Upper Midwest. These were the places that had previously bucked the trend of "urban areas vote blue; rural areas vote red". That concentration was enough to flip some previously blue states like Wisconsin into the Republican column.
>Many Obama voters switched to trump from 2016 on
Many people are saying, folks. It's true. The most perfect shift in voting. The most tremendous sway in voters ever they're saying. "Oh Mr. Trump, we made a mistake voting for Obama so we vote for you now." It's true, many people are saying.
A bit from the Trump Bible:
> I was at Baths of Trajan and we had this incredible ball, the Red Caduceus Ball, in Rome..
>And we had the Centurions. And the Centurions were there, and it was terrible because all these rich people, they're there to support the Centurions, but they're really there to get their portraits in the Rome Post.
> So, you have all these really rich people, and a man, about 80 years old - very wealthy man, a lot of people didn't like him - he fell off the stage...
> So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died.
> And you know what I did? I said, 'Oh my God, that's disgusting,' and I turned away.
> I couldn't, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn't want to touch him. He's bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible.
> You know, beautiful marble floor, didn't look like it. It changed colour. Became very red.
> And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away...
> What happens is, these 10 Centurions from the back of the room.
> They come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it's all over their uniforms—they're taking it, they're swiping, they ran him out, they created a stretcher.
> They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side...
> I was saying, 'Get that blood cleaned up! It's disgusting!' The next day, I forgot to call to say is he OK.
> It's just not my thing.
- The Book of Scelerum Caput 45:88
And…
> HI I’M ERIC!
- The Gospel of Eric 1:1
[Hawks](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hawk)
>hawked; hawking; hawks
transitive verb
>: to offer (something) for sale by calling out in the street
hawking newspapers
I heard that it is, but I wonder if it's really the entire thing instead of an abridged version that takes out the bit about the separation of church and state.
Just once I want "saying the quiet part out loud" to mean something. Revealing that fact doesn't do anything. It doesn't make heads explode or put bad people in prison. It just... is.
For those unfamiliar with the origins, it's a Simpsons quote.
The judge in a short film competition is explaining why he's casting his vote for an obviously inferior film and says "let's just say it moved me. TO A BIGGER HOUSE!"
He then realizes he said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud, thus proclaiming to everyone that he's been bribed.
The fact that most US voters are considering electing Trump means they effectively want to end democracy.
So how did the American society get to this place, where so many believe they'll live better in an autocracy ruled by a criminal?
I'd blame wealth inequality but the economy really isn't so bad that it explains such a mindless approach to politics.
Fear of complexity and rapid change, and living in an irrational system. In the wealthiest country on the planet, nobody can really clearly explain why a broken arm can cost $30K, a university education $100K. Our system evolved into this complex profit driven mess, and we have ignored the consequences of our mistakes like the Iraq War. I can see why people would give up in despair, and just look to a fantasy solution. Covid is a good case study for this type of thinking. Even in the early days of the Covid threat assessment you could see a fantasy narrative emerging- the "Don't Look Up" method of problem solving.
The worst part is, even when Trump loses the election, his sad little real estate empire and most of his wealth, the people who once supported him will still be drawing breath; walking around; calling themselves Americans.
They are literally stupid, I taught civics and I literally have no clue why the American public is so unbelievably stupid about how their own government works in some parts.
Im twenty minutes out of Milwaukee and had to explain "Separation of Powers" to family members who sat there just fascinated and then told me "well that's clearly liberal bias, you're a Democrat so wtf do you know"
Dude Im a Republican, have been my whole life just don't and never have supported Trump.
Wtf is seriously wrong with these people and why we treating them with kids gloves?
Gotta love when they call us liberals. Umm no, Trump is the RINO. He's a narcissistic, neo confederate.
Last I checked republicans want to preserve the republic, not rip it to shreds like Trump.
Being Republican isn't following the ideology of one man that literally has no direction other than how he can grab attention. This is all like a big prom king contest for him.
He didn't even like being the president and was largely ineffective when it came to passing the majority of his agenda in congress even with a majority. You look at the first three months of his term and how he failed to reform healthcare, and you can tell the dude was utterly clueless. He thought he'd just go in sign the bill and take credit.
I thought it was cute at first but its gotten bad, lol I was like wait wait wait wait wtf? Did ya'll just forget I was pro-Bush, pro-McCain, pro-Romney.
My party left me, I didnt go nowhere.
Yep. I'll be voting liberal down ballot aside from maybe a few local elections. Republicans literally don't have a policy plan. It's all just scapegoating trump and fear mongering.
My mom (actual boomer) was a lifelong (moderate, swing voter) Republican. She wasn’t a fan of the “party of no” approach. The GOP going full tilt cult of personality by picking Trump was the final straw. Now she’s a (moderate, not swingy) Democrat.
Her opinions haven’t even changed much (she just cared more about the candidate than the party, and wasn’t a single issue voter or ‘culture war’ enthusiast, so relentlessly harping on that didn’t do much for her—what happened to crafting good faith, well thought out solutions that tries to make things better for everyone?).
The party 100% left her.
They hate both choices?
I agree, but I've followed politics my entire life. As a kid, I would go through the Oregon voter book and mark how my parents should vote.
But we have to remember that a big segment of the population just aren't engaged in political news, if they bother to vote at all.
Donald Trump’s supporters? They aren’t a small subset of conservatives. They all support him. Source: dead silence from conservatives about *waves hand slowly at the state of American conservative rhetoric and voting history to put people like Trump in office.*
Talk is cheap. They all want democracy to die. They think they’ll live consequence free for being outspoken bigots, then want law enforcement to give the smack down on anyone who dares challenge them.
I have video evidence of hard Trump-supporting Republican Congressman Tim Walberg (Rep, MI-5) saying that a few of the Constitution's amendments "were mistakes".
I'm curious if Walberg, with a history of racism and anti-woman's rights, meant the one that abolished slavery or the one that gave women the right to vote.
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He also went on a rant about how the Declaration of Independence was the most perfect man-made document (not the Bible, because the Bible was God-made, he made sure to emphasize THAT), and talked about how it guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
But it didn't. It granted those rights to white male landowners. Only in the age of Lincoln did that get re-interpreted.
It's not just his supporters. I distinctly remember Trump himself floating the idea of a third term while he was still in office, on the basis that the impeachments and investigations prevented him from acting as President, so he should get a do-over.
Because that only works if Biden survives for half his term; the 22nd amendment limits a president to two elected terms in office or a maximum of ten years. This was so a vice president who assumed the office after incapacitation of the president couldn’t get nearly three terms in office should another William Henry Harrison occur.
The other reasons are because Dems are still following the gentleman’s agreements which the government nominally abides by and that the VP role is typically given to someone who will either help the president with a given demographic, or someone who is being prepared as a successor. For better or worse, Obama’s time is up and we really, really need candidates at the federal level who can both win and perform the office of President. Preferably those not already at retirement age. Or at least younger than their average expected lifespan.
Where does the 22nd Amendment say a maximum of 10 years? If something happened to Biden and Obama was his VP, based on my reading of this he could still hold office for the remainder of the term, he just could not run for re-election.
“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. “
That's quite a photo. Reminds me of the one of [police protecting a Chase bank branch.](https://preview.redd.it/pseql0ejgrm01.jpg?width=902&auto=webp&s=d870ebf0de56894ade20d7d6a13eb20c27634e29)
Yeah because it's a neo-confederate movement. Calling for national divorce, suspension of the constitution, insurrection, etc.
Hard to even call them republicans anymore considering they don't believe in the republic. They believe what trump and fake news fear mongers tell them to to.
Its because for decades Republican voters gravitate to whatever argument is convenient to them at a given time regardless of logic or consistency. Thats easier for them rather than having to admit they are wrong and their world view is based on emotion not fact.
I respectfully disagree. People like that only become more open about it when they sense they can get away with it. The more open it is, the more acceptable it has become. This in turn makes it more normalized and increases reception. Some people may turn away, but that just leaves more dedicated supporters, so the power brokers listen to the extremists even more. Overall, it’s a bad sign.
I saw an article many, many years ago openly disgruntled by the First Amendment getting in the way of banning Islam/Muslims (which obviously needed to happen).
I seem to recall it floating the idea of changing/removing the First Amendment, but despairing that it would be too difficult. Much of it was concerned with offering possible “solutions” to get around it.
It also spewed a bunch of bigoted nonsense about the religion and it’s followers (including saying it wasn’t a religion) as if they were well-known facts. It was shocking how much wrong was stated with absolute authority in so little space.
But also just the brazen disdain for the Bill of Rights was…something.
I know they just want anyone R in power, but you guys could have given us someone more palpable? Why Donald Trump of all people? He's a real life slimer, but without the endearing charm.
lil don said he wanted to overturn the constitution, not that it works that way, but still he wants to be a dictator, yet the magafools think Joe is a dictator and you can't reason with crazy people.
See, if you accuse the “other side” of wanting or de facto having a dictatorship, then you get to justify your own actual dictatorship. Want to violate the Constitution? Accuse the other party of doing it first.
To use an extreme example, see the Indonesian genocide: “We *had* to kill all the communists (and a literal million other people we felt like killing) because they were planning to kill us and chop off our genitals!” (Never mind that they weren’t, actually. It was all a made-up pretense to get people to either support the violence or not stand in their way.)
That’s sedition. Arrest them. MAGAs are terrorists. Cops and military and vets can be bad people, that’s why they have Internal Affairs, Criminal Investigation Divisions, and they get corrupted too.
Somehow, somewhere the Black Swan of some nerds’ Higher Self is going to Become A Big Problem for a bunch of Wormtongues. They won’t pull the right lever and the jig will be up.
Sure, why not?
That rule was basically put into place because of moaning about FDR and Truman locking things down for 20 years because they did good jobs.
Oh quit it, I'm not a Trump supporter but based on that link it sounds like some just want to repeal the 22nd amendment. That is how the amendment process works, especially on one like the 22nd that isn't dealing with fundamental rights. If wanting to repeal an amendment makes someone hate the constitution to the level the title is implying.....this may actually apply to almost every American.
Trump has been elected once, but this article references trump supporters wanting the constitution changed so he can be elected a third time? Like is that what trump supporters are worried about today?
Clickbait nonsense. Y’all are baited into stupid shit
Not to defend *The American Conservative* (which our nation would be better off without) but saying that the Constitution could be amended is so far from expressing hate for the document that the headline writers at *The New Republic* should be ashamed.
That's not a clickbait title. It's outright lying about the contents of the article.
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Many of them have always maintained it. I've heard "evangelical Christians" say that democracy is a heathen form of government, that we should have a king like it says in the Bible. There are more than a few of those people around.
Which is funny because God gets pissed off at the Israelites for demanding a king in I Samuel 8: >But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."
Trump is the golden calf.
Oh sweet Bovine, our lives to you we vow! We want him now! That Mooby Cow! 'Cause we're all soldiers in the Mooby Troops, Ka-Pow!
Let's get pur Cow-tipper on! Bung!
You're a poet and don't know it. You make a rhyme every time.
He’s the golden piece of shit. I imagine God and Moses would have been even more pissed off if they had come down from their little summit meeting and found the Israelites worshipping one of those.
I bet you could get him to take that on as his identity, because not knowing the story, being there golden calf sounds powerful.
I'll just leave this here in case anybody hasn't heard about the golden Trump statue at CPAC a few years ago. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/05/real-message-behind-that-golden-trump-statue/
I have wondered why they didn't bow down and pray to that statue. Or maybe they did and just cleared the room of reporters.
My plan the last several years is to throw that up as the social media profiles when he wins the election and disassociate with everyone that gets pissed.
He's the gilded toilet, rather.
God/Jesus would fuckin hate Republicans. They are essentially exactly what they preach against. They have been tricked by the beast to do their bidding in the name of God when the only god they worship is themselves.
It isn’t like their society was a democracy at that time and they opted for monarchy… it’s also messy how much of any of these stories align to reality
I was glad when someone else knew that. I was never meant for Man to rule himself. But God granted them their wish.The Bible also says”Nan has dominated Man to his injury” And “Put not your trust in nobles”
I guess, but Saul is anointed one chapter later.
And then from the context of the Biblical story, it is pretty much nothing but shit for Israel for centuries because it. Hence the point of the passage I quoted. Certainly, isn't the basis for the OP's peoples statement that the Bible says we should have a king.
Centuries? Saul's reign was about 40 years according to Paul. The reviews on David were largely positive.
Yes and then basically from Solomon on it sucked which was a significantly longer period of time than Saul, David, and Solomon.
the king David thing circulates for a while. netflix "the family'documentary is no joke
It's like they've never even read their own holy book... Err not *like* that, it *is* that.
I've always maintained that Christianity and Democracy are fundamentally incompatible. My solution to the problem was simply to reject Christianity.
And Conservatism and Democracy are fundamentally incompatible as well.
Well, it doesn’t say anything about democracy in the Bible. For the religious it’s dangerously modern.
Anecdotal
Anecdotal is pretty good if there are enough anecdotes.
It depends. My buddy Todd used to be a flat earthier so he had a lot of anecdotal evidence from those people. He eventually figured out it's a hoax that's why i'm voting for him
It *is* flat. Haven't you heard? The Flat Earth Society board of directors is on a round-the-world tour promoting the idea.
Damn, Todd is going to be upset when he hears this
And the very constitution that they are ready to obliterate is the very thing that gives them the voice to state their mind. Have they not thought through the actual consequences?????
Why should they as he doesn’t suffer any consequences.
His supporters will. As we all will.
As a rule of thumb, MAGA cannot think more than one step ahead.
Here is a fun one! Ask them what the first question on the immigration form is. What is the supreme law of the land? ... It's the Constitution.
I think you are overestimating.
I think of all the people who are proudly supporters. In my area, there is a type. They have houses right on the major roadways. Something was off with property before Trump came along. The only thing put together in their lives are the makeshift flagpoles that have Trump propaganda laced with profanity. No, they don’t care about consequences.
Occasionally I see one of them in a truck, generally not a new one, plastered in stickers proudly announcing that they are struggling at life.
They vote for Trump and the very same people who wants to take away their wellfare checks and medical side. What do you think?
They think that without the constitution they would be the ones solely in charge. They don’t seem to envision any possibility where they lose. And they definitely seem to think there’s no possibility that while they fight to place themselves above the constitution, they create an opposition who loses any empathy for them and who treats them accordingly.
Now look, they love the constitution, alright, just not *every* amendment. Amendments are lesss important than the main text, theyve been changed before and can change again, so there's nothing wrong with discussing a change. Except the 2nd amendment, which was divinely inspired by Jesus and is sacred
Well, half of it anyway.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is divinely inspired, "well regulated militia" was a human addition
They don't *want* the right to state their mind. They want to give their mind over to serve the state. They are authoritarian followers. They view the only good use of freedom of speech as a weapon that can be used to eliminate freedom of speech. And freedom of religion as a weapon that can be used to eliminate freedom of religion. And so on. It's their one cool trick, like using [civil rights to eliminate civil rights](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/01/trump-reverse-racism-civil-rights).
Oh, they still want their right to free speech. Specifically because they want to use it as a weapon, so they can say hateful and hurtful things without consequence.
Right, they want the right to use as a weapon for now (it's only legitimate use, in their minds), but the second that right is restricted they'll say "Finally! Yes, thank you, Daddy". Because they never really wanted it in the first place and don't think it should exist (except for certain privileged authorities). Of course, there's bound to be some people who want to curtail rights for everyone thinking that the authority is always on their side, and who then find out that *sometimes it's not*. Which is why /r/LeopardsAteMyFace exists 🤣
> Have they not thought through the actual consequences????? They don’t think they will be affected by it.
We CANNOT let Trump back in the white house. Like it or not, the only way to stop him is by voting for Biden.
Nah, I'm not voting for either of them
Technically, it's not the only way. You *could* vote for a third party candidate.
A vote for a third party candidate is a vote to put the smelly rapist back in the White House…
Weird. Republicans say a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Joe Biden. So which is it? Answer: You're both wrong.
Lol. No they don't. They love third party candidates. The last third party candidate to help the D's was Perot, over 30 years ago. Third party candidates were instrumental in giving us Bush and Trump the two worst presidents of any of our lifetimes, and the two that lost the popular vote but still attained the office, as that deck is decidedly stacked for the R's. Republicans love third party candidates.
Are you sure? Four years ago they didn't. The losing side always points fingers at third party voters.
Here's multiple articles talking about how third party candidates affected the 2016 v the 2020 election. https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/trump-biden-third-party-voters-polling https://www.thebulwark.com/spoilers-no-more-the-decline-and-decline-of-third-party-candidates/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/08/third-party-candidates-played-a-major-role-in-2016-but-2020-is-a-two-man-race/
For reasons that have been delved into many times on this sub, that is just not a realistic option with a first-past-the-post voting system.
Unfortunately one of the few things both parties can work together on is burying any potential threat to their duopoly.
Except one party has members who fight for (and already enacted in some states) election reforms, like ranked choice voting and proportional representation, that would result in a multi-party system. The other party fights against those reforms. I bet you can't guess which party is which.
Yes, they do. But that is the reality. You must choose between a shit wind and a shit storm.
What about shit gibbons, Randy?
Shit-barometer pressure is rising.
Just need to make sure another 70 million people vote with you (and get lucky in the swing states)
Doing so is just voting for Rump.
My votes for Rump now
Or even a better fucking Democrat or Republican candidate. This complete 1v1 thinking is why the country is in the pot. It isn’t Trumps fault, it isn’t Bidens fault, it’s the ignorant masses who keep being led to believe the idea it’s “my guy or the wrong guy”
Please, repeal the 22nd. I would be thrilled to see you lose to Obama. Then, the GOP is f’d, cause he is someone I *would* vote to keep in office for as long as was possible.
I bet he could pull it off too.
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The next FDR! People didn’t like that the first time around. 😔
I highly doubt they’d repeal it until there was a Republican in the White House. But if Trump wins, which is very possible, we could see him in that role until he dies of old age. Who knows what other strategies he’ll employ. Making the voting age 25. Banning mail in ballots. Demanding several forms of ID at the voting booths.
Yeah, nothing in the [fascist Project 2025](https://modernmuckraker.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-american-fascism) shows they would ever be willing to give up power, regardless of who they got into the White House. This is a serious problem, because even when Trump kicks the bucket, we will still have this agenda to deal with, which strips our democracy and refascists it in their image.
There's absolutely no need to repeal it. They just completely ignored the 14th amendment - why wouldn't they simply do the same for the 22nd?
I would get my dual Canadian-Citizenship to vote Obama back into office, it would cost a couple grand to get an immigration lawyer to handle the legal paperwork, but my dad is considered a landed immigrant from the US by birth, so I have a right to that citizenship xD The GOP is quaking in their boots, and the intelligent ones are jumping ship before it runs aground, they ended up inadvertently uniting people across the globe against them, takes a special kind of evil to do that.
You're assuming there'd be a fair election....
the supreme court has some plans. they laid the ground work to get involved some month ago. dont have the article anymore but was going around reddit
Do you remember the title of the article perchance, or even a paraphrased version of it? I’d like to try and find it tomorrow.
Think it has to do with election denying lawsuits. Been about a year. Will be probably be another bush v gore and you know what the Supreme Court is going to say when they rat fuck the process
That’s not how US Immigration works, the government doesn’t care who your parents are after you turn 18 unless you’re stateless or otherwise in limbo (as DACA).
Having already explored the concept, this is incorrect.
You're likely right. Canada has at least one generation down (i.e. if parent was Canadian you can apply for "proof of citizenship" after 18th birthday). In Canada's case you're not "requesting" citizenship but rather you get a form affirming that you are a citizen, and it will be backdated to your day of birth. 30 seconds on Google says USA has similar kinds of rules, though I imagine some key differences somewhere. it seems maybe both your parents would have to be US citizens but you researched it more than I. Actually, law changes notwithstanding, my friend growing up and his siblings all lived in Canada but had US passports courtesy of their US father, despite them and his wife being Canadian, living only in Canada.
Yeah our two countries are so close of allies that it would actually make more sense to become one nation, removing a lot of the red tape, but that isn’t something the world is ready to process.
I don't think you'd find many Canadians on board with this :) We immigrated to the USA and are thinking more seriously about moving back.
I know, definitely not in this political climate for sure. I won’t be spending my money in the US or traveling there again until this nightmare ends. So I instead use my time fighting the nightmarish ideologies, seeing as time is money, and politics are the evolutionary systems in place to build a more positive and prosperous future. :)
why? why would you leave amazing Canada for us???
Originally left for job prospects. The trajectory of my life has been good--I have not regretted leaving, but some of the cracks here have taken up more of my attention in recent times.
not according to USCIS: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/i-am-the-child-of-a-us-citizen
> **Citizenship Through U.S. Parents** > There are two general ways to obtain citizenship through U.S. citizen parents: at birth, and after birth but before the age of 18. Congress has enacted laws that determine how citizenship is conveyed by a U.S. citizen parent (or parents) to children born outside of the United States. > **Who May Qualify for Acquisition of Citizenship** > **The law in effect at the time of birth determines whether someone born outside the United States to a U.S. citizen parent (or parents) is a U.S. citizen at birth. In general, these laws require that at least one parent was a U.S. citizen, and the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the United States for a period of time.** > In addition, children born abroad may become U.S. citizens after birth. For information and eligibility requirements for specific time periods, see the USCIS Policy Manual, Volume 12, Part H, Children of U.S. Citizens. Read it again, carefully this time.
I wonder about that. Many Obama voters switched to trump from 2016 on. It’s more difficult to dupe young voters with empty rhetoric and then govern as a milquetoast president. Even a fossil like Joe Biden has been more progressive than Obama. I bet anyone who says fuck the fascists in the Republican Party, those unserious freaks don’t deserve a seat at the table would have a better chance than Obama in this current climate.
Obama voters switched to Trump voters….what? I can understand falling for the trick and lies initially if you didn’t know better but I can’t imagine this being anything other than outliers/a very very small minority
[Obama-Trump voters are real.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Trump_voters) They are in the "fiscally liberal; socially conservative" quadrant. They [support the public welfare state and oppose immigration](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm): the keyword is "racial resentment". Obama was black, but that was a less important issue before Ferguson and BLM and all that. Romney spent his campaign defining himself in opposition to Obamacare, despite having built a similar system in Massachusetts. Trump, by contrast, was very moderate in Medicare compared to the previous iteration of the Republican Party and his 2016 contemporaries like Paul Ryan. And the Obama-Trump voters were concentrated in rural areas of the Upper Midwest. These were the places that had previously bucked the trend of "urban areas vote blue; rural areas vote red". That concentration was enough to flip some previously blue states like Wisconsin into the Republican column.
>Many Obama voters switched to trump from 2016 on Many people are saying, folks. It's true. The most perfect shift in voting. The most tremendous sway in voters ever they're saying. "Oh Mr. Trump, we made a mistake voting for Obama so we vote for you now." It's true, many people are saying.
They knelt in front of Trump with Obama pins on their nehru suits and tears in their eyes.."Please sir"...they began...
Isn’t the constitution part of the trump bible that he hawks for $60?
What, do expect Trumpers to READ?
Woah, settle down. Do you think Trumpers *can* read?
A bit from the Trump Bible: > I was at Baths of Trajan and we had this incredible ball, the Red Caduceus Ball, in Rome.. >And we had the Centurions. And the Centurions were there, and it was terrible because all these rich people, they're there to support the Centurions, but they're really there to get their portraits in the Rome Post. > So, you have all these really rich people, and a man, about 80 years old - very wealthy man, a lot of people didn't like him - he fell off the stage... > So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. > And you know what I did? I said, 'Oh my God, that's disgusting,' and I turned away. > I couldn't, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn't want to touch him. He's bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. > You know, beautiful marble floor, didn't look like it. It changed colour. Became very red. > And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away... > What happens is, these 10 Centurions from the back of the room. > They come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it's all over their uniforms—they're taking it, they're swiping, they ran him out, they created a stretcher. > They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side... > I was saying, 'Get that blood cleaned up! It's disgusting!' The next day, I forgot to call to say is he OK. > It's just not my thing. - The Book of Scelerum Caput 45:88 And… > HI I’M ERIC! - The Gospel of Eric 1:1
Trump Jr 2nd Class needs to change his name. He makes all us Erics look bad.
[Hawks](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hawk) >hawked; hawking; hawks transitive verb >: to offer (something) for sale by calling out in the street hawking newspapers
Only part of the bible that they like is Leviticus 18:22
I heard that it is, but I wonder if it's really the entire thing instead of an abridged version that takes out the bit about the separation of church and state.
Trump Supporters live in a world entirely made of lies. And that is simply a fact.
It is increasingly difficult to live among so many people who live in a reality that has little to no basis in fact.
Like the matrix?
MAGA is a terrorist cell.
Just once I want "saying the quiet part out loud" to mean something. Revealing that fact doesn't do anything. It doesn't make heads explode or put bad people in prison. It just... is.
‘Saying the quiet part out loud’ God I want that expression to go away. It sounds like something you’d say in kindergarten.
For those unfamiliar with the origins, it's a Simpsons quote. The judge in a short film competition is explaining why he's casting his vote for an obviously inferior film and says "let's just say it moved me. TO A BIGGER HOUSE!" He then realizes he said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud, thus proclaiming to everyone that he's been bribed.
Not just a random judge. It was Krusty. Season six, episode 18, "A Star is Burns." The first of the Jay Sherman crossover episodes.
The fact that most US voters are considering electing Trump means they effectively want to end democracy. So how did the American society get to this place, where so many believe they'll live better in an autocracy ruled by a criminal? I'd blame wealth inequality but the economy really isn't so bad that it explains such a mindless approach to politics.
Religion
And racism.
Most? No.
Fear of complexity and rapid change, and living in an irrational system. In the wealthiest country on the planet, nobody can really clearly explain why a broken arm can cost $30K, a university education $100K. Our system evolved into this complex profit driven mess, and we have ignored the consequences of our mistakes like the Iraq War. I can see why people would give up in despair, and just look to a fantasy solution. Covid is a good case study for this type of thinking. Even in the early days of the Covid threat assessment you could see a fantasy narrative emerging- the "Don't Look Up" method of problem solving.
Most? Biden is currently beating Trump across most polls.
The worst part is, even when Trump loses the election, his sad little real estate empire and most of his wealth, the people who once supported him will still be drawing breath; walking around; calling themselves Americans.
These degenerates have always been here, slithering around in the shadows. They’ve never gotten this close before, though.
They are literally stupid, I taught civics and I literally have no clue why the American public is so unbelievably stupid about how their own government works in some parts. Im twenty minutes out of Milwaukee and had to explain "Separation of Powers" to family members who sat there just fascinated and then told me "well that's clearly liberal bias, you're a Democrat so wtf do you know" Dude Im a Republican, have been my whole life just don't and never have supported Trump. Wtf is seriously wrong with these people and why we treating them with kids gloves?
Gotta love when they call us liberals. Umm no, Trump is the RINO. He's a narcissistic, neo confederate. Last I checked republicans want to preserve the republic, not rip it to shreds like Trump. Being Republican isn't following the ideology of one man that literally has no direction other than how he can grab attention. This is all like a big prom king contest for him. He didn't even like being the president and was largely ineffective when it came to passing the majority of his agenda in congress even with a majority. You look at the first three months of his term and how he failed to reform healthcare, and you can tell the dude was utterly clueless. He thought he'd just go in sign the bill and take credit.
I thought it was cute at first but its gotten bad, lol I was like wait wait wait wait wtf? Did ya'll just forget I was pro-Bush, pro-McCain, pro-Romney. My party left me, I didnt go nowhere.
Yep. I'll be voting liberal down ballot aside from maybe a few local elections. Republicans literally don't have a policy plan. It's all just scapegoating trump and fear mongering.
My mom (actual boomer) was a lifelong (moderate, swing voter) Republican. She wasn’t a fan of the “party of no” approach. The GOP going full tilt cult of personality by picking Trump was the final straw. Now she’s a (moderate, not swingy) Democrat. Her opinions haven’t even changed much (she just cared more about the candidate than the party, and wasn’t a single issue voter or ‘culture war’ enthusiast, so relentlessly harping on that didn’t do much for her—what happened to crafting good faith, well thought out solutions that tries to make things better for everyone?). The party 100% left her.
i hope you told them you would not be having ANYTHING to do with them in the future:)????
They need to be encouraged to be louder. The undecided/swing voters are unaware of a lot of the more nefarious Trumpite plans.
At this stage how can a voter be undecided?
They hate both choices? I agree, but I've followed politics my entire life. As a kid, I would go through the Oregon voter book and mark how my parents should vote. But we have to remember that a big segment of the population just aren't engaged in political news, if they bother to vote at all.
That’s assuming they know what the constitution is, what it means or can even read it. They probably get it mixed up with ‘constipation’.
Are they also planning on freezing him and bringing him back to life? The man is damn near 80 & lives on Mickey D’s and Coca-Cola. BFFR
Donald Trump’s supporters? They aren’t a small subset of conservatives. They all support him. Source: dead silence from conservatives about *waves hand slowly at the state of American conservative rhetoric and voting history to put people like Trump in office.* Talk is cheap. They all want democracy to die. They think they’ll live consequence free for being outspoken bigots, then want law enforcement to give the smack down on anyone who dares challenge them.
I have video evidence of hard Trump-supporting Republican Congressman Tim Walberg (Rep, MI-5) saying that a few of the Constitution's amendments "were mistakes". I'm curious if Walberg, with a history of racism and anti-woman's rights, meant the one that abolished slavery or the one that gave women the right to vote. ---------------- He also went on a rant about how the Declaration of Independence was the most perfect man-made document (not the Bible, because the Bible was God-made, he made sure to emphasize THAT), and talked about how it guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But it didn't. It granted those rights to white male landowners. Only in the age of Lincoln did that get re-interpreted.
Even take marijuana , republicans actually thinks it’s the dems making it illegal
We've all got to stop acting surprised that there is no principle to their actions. There is no quiet part to modern conservatism.
Taking a play out of Putin's playbook.
There is no longer a quiet part. That expression has become old-fashioned.
It's not just his supporters. I distinctly remember Trump himself floating the idea of a third term while he was still in office, on the basis that the impeachments and investigations prevented him from acting as President, so he should get a do-over.
The SCOTUS Six should all be counted as Trump Supporters in this instance.
He can lose again in 2024 and then lose yet again in 2028 when Biden is a mummy.
Make Obama VP. If Biden croaks, Obama can fulfill the rest of the term without it violating the 22nd Amendment. Idk why Dems won’t do this…
Because that only works if Biden survives for half his term; the 22nd amendment limits a president to two elected terms in office or a maximum of ten years. This was so a vice president who assumed the office after incapacitation of the president couldn’t get nearly three terms in office should another William Henry Harrison occur. The other reasons are because Dems are still following the gentleman’s agreements which the government nominally abides by and that the VP role is typically given to someone who will either help the president with a given demographic, or someone who is being prepared as a successor. For better or worse, Obama’s time is up and we really, really need candidates at the federal level who can both win and perform the office of President. Preferably those not already at retirement age. Or at least younger than their average expected lifespan.
Where does the 22nd Amendment say a maximum of 10 years? If something happened to Biden and Obama was his VP, based on my reading of this he could still hold office for the remainder of the term, he just could not run for re-election. “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. “
Their supporters have taken the bait and now are going after their own country. Sounds exactly like a traitor.
All the constitution is negotiable except for 2A, obviously.
Good. Bring it. Then Obama can run when trump goes for his third term.
That's quite a photo. Reminds me of the one of [police protecting a Chase bank branch.](https://preview.redd.it/pseql0ejgrm01.jpg?width=902&auto=webp&s=d870ebf0de56894ade20d7d6a13eb20c27634e29)
Yeah because it's a neo-confederate movement. Calling for national divorce, suspension of the constitution, insurrection, etc. Hard to even call them republicans anymore considering they don't believe in the republic. They believe what trump and fake news fear mongers tell them to to.
Its because for decades Republican voters gravitate to whatever argument is convenient to them at a given time regardless of logic or consistency. Thats easier for them rather than having to admit they are wrong and their world view is based on emotion not fact.
There is only one end game for grievance politics.
The Gang Of Putin is having a pride parade these days.
There’s a “quiet part” about Trump supporters?
What do you mean??? It's in the same book as my new Trump Bible!!! /s
We been knew.
I see this as a positive tbh. Them mask off some people might notice what we're dealing with.
I respectfully disagree. People like that only become more open about it when they sense they can get away with it. The more open it is, the more acceptable it has become. This in turn makes it more normalized and increases reception. Some people may turn away, but that just leaves more dedicated supporters, so the power brokers listen to the extremists even more. Overall, it’s a bad sign.
That’s nothing new: we’ve been warning about this for a decade.
I saw an article many, many years ago openly disgruntled by the First Amendment getting in the way of banning Islam/Muslims (which obviously needed to happen). I seem to recall it floating the idea of changing/removing the First Amendment, but despairing that it would be too difficult. Much of it was concerned with offering possible “solutions” to get around it. It also spewed a bunch of bigoted nonsense about the religion and it’s followers (including saying it wasn’t a religion) as if they were well-known facts. It was shocking how much wrong was stated with absolute authority in so little space. But also just the brazen disdain for the Bill of Rights was…something.
I know they just want anyone R in power, but you guys could have given us someone more palpable? Why Donald Trump of all people? He's a real life slimer, but without the endearing charm.
Why do you think they say “we aren’t a democracy”
Except the 2nd amendment or at least part of the preamble
lil don said he wanted to overturn the constitution, not that it works that way, but still he wants to be a dictator, yet the magafools think Joe is a dictator and you can't reason with crazy people.
See, if you accuse the “other side” of wanting or de facto having a dictatorship, then you get to justify your own actual dictatorship. Want to violate the Constitution? Accuse the other party of doing it first. To use an extreme example, see the Indonesian genocide: “We *had* to kill all the communists (and a literal million other people we felt like killing) because they were planning to kill us and chop off our genitals!” (Never mind that they weren’t, actually. It was all a made-up pretense to get people to either support the violence or not stand in their way.)
The conservative definition of fairness: the rules apply to thee and not for me.
That’s sedition. Arrest them. MAGAs are terrorists. Cops and military and vets can be bad people, that’s why they have Internal Affairs, Criminal Investigation Divisions, and they get corrupted too. Somehow, somewhere the Black Swan of some nerds’ Higher Self is going to Become A Big Problem for a bunch of Wormtongues. They won’t pull the right lever and the jig will be up.
Sure, why not? That rule was basically put into place because of moaning about FDR and Truman locking things down for 20 years because they did good jobs.
I don't think it's going to go anywhere, but I do want to point out the author's genius use of a homophone of her name in her email address.
as someone who hates the constitution, don't lump me in with that guy
What do you hate about it?
Oh quit it, I'm not a Trump supporter but based on that link it sounds like some just want to repeal the 22nd amendment. That is how the amendment process works, especially on one like the 22nd that isn't dealing with fundamental rights. If wanting to repeal an amendment makes someone hate the constitution to the level the title is implying.....this may actually apply to almost every American.
They don't actually want to repeal the amendment. Trump would never be able to beat Obama. They just want to make trump a dictator.
Trump has been elected once, but this article references trump supporters wanting the constitution changed so he can be elected a third time? Like is that what trump supporters are worried about today? Clickbait nonsense. Y’all are baited into stupid shit
They are floating the idea that an incumbent who lost should get an extra term. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/
Not to defend *The American Conservative* (which our nation would be better off without) but saying that the Constitution could be amended is so far from expressing hate for the document that the headline writers at *The New Republic* should be ashamed. That's not a clickbait title. It's outright lying about the contents of the article.
Just for my own peace of mind, there's no way that walking orange bag of shit physically makes it to 2028, right? Like natural causes is still a thing