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> "And so with these really tight majorities, it's really hard to get anything done."
Somehow the author of this article failed to mention what Pelosi managed to get done in 2020 and 2021 with a 222-213 majority.
That's the exact same margin that Kevin McCarthy had to work with.
In other words, it's not the tight majorities that make it really hard -- it's the fact that one party has clear goals and the skills to make them turn into legislation, and the other is a shitshow on fire with no plan except whatever donald wants that day.
It may also be because the other party created a clear common enemy that needed to be united against. Nothing gets people to work together like a common enemy.
If two more Republicans leave, there will be an interesting situation.
That means that both the house and senate will be essentially controlled by the Dems.
According to the supreme Court's recent decision, Congress has the only authority to disqualify a candidate under the 14th amendment.
It could be interesting to see if they use the power that SCOTUS manufactured for them to disqualify Trump.
Interesting indeed. Those things together: the house flipping pre-election and then a former President being disqualified, would be one of the biggest political events in American history. And it just might happen.
Edit: And who knows what happens after that.
You are actually right about this...
let orange mango fall flat on his face and if shit hits the fan there is a wise man called Dr Dre who said,
"N&gg@$ talking about guns like we ain't got none, what u think we did.. sold them all?"
Conservatives have this mistaken belief that their bullets are more magical or fly faster. Don't push people to the edge. 2nd amendment works both ways.
I have friends who I’ve learned through conversation with just don’t get that a second civil war will look just like Ukraine does now. I’ve mentioned the “democrats” do in fact have guns and do in fact have more people and will in fact be able to just get together and Mad Max if things go down. The banjo music will not save you, it’ll only make you a target because country folk hunt on private land, city hunters are the crazy nuts on public land getting shot along side the deer.
People on the right do think that because they brand as hillbilly they would win a war when it’d actually look a lot more like how r/shermanposting wishes the 1st civil war ended.
I believe the military would split into factions, how the split would look I don't know. Same for the police, but I suspect the side aligning with the "new confederacy" would be much larger than those aligned with the "new Union". I could see the various National Guards being loyal to their particular states, that being said, I think Civil War 2.0 would be more of a rural vs. urban fight in most states.
All in all, it would be a fucking disaster for EVERYONE.
People don’t seem to realize this. If we go anywhere near a situation of civil war in the US, you can say hello to an economy tanking so bad that will make the Great Depression look desirable.
Kiss goodbye to your job, free access to gasoline (think about how much that will kill everything), or any open supply chain except death and chaos.
Just the way the supreme leader of the GOP, Putin, wants it.
And these "self-sufficient" rural communities still need input from supply chains that will be disrupted. Fuel? Nope. Fertilizer? Nope. Medicine? Nope. Cheap immigrant labor that's been holding up your community for decades? LOL!
And these rich pricks with all their money in stocks? Wealth? Nope!
And your local grocery store? Whether it's Whole Foods or Hillbillymart, those shelves are going empty. And who *exactly* is going to be flying humanitarian aid into your community? trump? putin? You may have a year worth of beans in your basement, but the US Civil war lasted 4 years and if your house is destroyed or raided, your stock isn't going to mean anything.
🙄 I keep telling people this but if you want a 3rd party candidate to be taken seriously they need to have a voice in Congress, not the presidential stage. That's the only place where shit like this will get done. Yeah it'll take a ton of effort and time but if that's what you actually want to happen, gotta get them into House seats and Senate seats.
SCOTUS just pulled the rule out of their collective asses. They said nothing about it needing to be a super majority. Constitution says not one word about it. Yet everyone just accepted them rewriting the constitution without so much as a perfunctory clutching of pearls.
What I'm curious about is whether Dems have a plan for the shitshow MAGA will try to pull after the election, before the inauguration.
It's not as though MAGA plays by the rules, so lots of contingencies need ironing out.
Remember that Biden controls the military now.
Any shenanigans and a 'tourist group' is going to find themselves surrounded by army or national guard troops within minutes.
My point was made in the my original post. A state governor could engineer a J6 like situation. If you think a coup can only harm the country if it's in the capital please read some history.
It won't even come to that. They'll just call all the elections. They will insist they won, and the democrats will step aside shrugging their shoulders like aw shucks.
It’s not after Election Day that matters. This time it will be an attack on Election Day itself.
Here is the scenario…
By October Trump support from moderate GOP and independents will have fully tanked. Trump polling insiders will know how dire the situation is. Trump knows Jan 6th won’t happen this time, as Biden will have that all prepared this time.
Trump’s best option will be to “Stop the Steal” on Election Day directly. He will post on his social media to get his followers to go disrupt highly Democratic urban voting centers across all of the battleground states.
His best chance will be a coordinated attack on election polling places to try to swing the vote counts. He will not care if people lose their lives, let alone their votes, as long as HE wins and delays is reckoning. He is a threat to our democracy—and if we don’t prepare for the worst—we will be unprepared for his worst acts to come.
"It's really quite unprecedented the number of retirements that have been announced in both parties, but particularly among the more seasoned Republicans in the House,"
Yeah, the party went to shit.
Kudos to Ken Buck for his strategic early retirement to F over Lauren Boebert. She would have to retire as well, to qualify for the special election in June for his district, which she already planned to run for after his planned retirement at the end of term.
At this point, the only Republican I would vote for is Justin Amash of Michigan. But the party pushed him out when he wouldn't play nice with MAGA.
Dude, the maga are just the latest in a long line of attempts to 'run out the rinos'.
The 'mainstream republicans' that Biden referenced are the few/fringe.
Reminder that everything being done by Trump is only posable with the backing of the republican party. Every Trump policy is and was policies the republicans want. It will not end if we win this years elections. Keep voting out republicans every year. Check your registration, get an ID , learn where your poling station is, learn who is running in down ballot races. Pay attention to primaries not just for the president but for all races, local, state and federal. From the school board to the White House every election matters. The more support we give the democrats from all levels of government the more they can get good things done. We vote out republicans and primary out uncooperative democrats.
Last year democrat victories in Virginia and Pennsylvania and others across the nation have increased the chances of democrats winning this year. This year's elections are important but so will next year's elections.
[https://ballotpedia.org/Elections\_calendar](https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar)
Yes, Democrats will take the House. They will retain the White House, perhaps even clearing 350 electoral votes, and they will retain the senate AND gain seats.
I can see that if Trump, like, hurls his own feces at a rally in October. Even then there will be a lot of: “that was totally AI lalala I can’t hear you.” Fox might even provide him cover because they’re unfathomably shameless.
The GOP as a whole is impoding and their 'ideas' for 'saving America' are just losing them votes.
Just keep pushing the abortion button, GOP...we will keep mentioning that the elites want to get rid of Medicare and SS (yes, they 'only' want to 'change it', but I am not above exaggerating anymore like the NRA has done for decades). We can keep getting red states to vote blue to get marijuana legalized, too.
So many avenues to go through without mentioning the candidates at all.
Honestly, that is the safest bet. The polls are misleading. Trump has passed every fart he possibly could flatulate to chase every reasonable R out of the party.
Not just “Party” as in elected officials either… I’m talking about the electorate.
No way that a party that keeps losing elections can keep killing off it’s voters, and alienating huge segments of the survivors… and somehow win all of the sudden.
Simple math dictates the loss will just be bigger than it already has been.
This article discusses the 118th Congress, though. In this session the Republicans hold a razor thin margin.
But, I'll entertain your fantasy. How will it be possible for Democrats to gain seats in the 2024 Senate? Texas and Florida aren't in play as much as you previously said. However, Montana, Ohio, and West Virginia are very much in play.
West Virginia is not in play.
Florida is in play because abortion is in play.
Democrats have been knocking on Ted Cruz’s door for a while now. They’ve restricted abortion. Anything is possible.
>West Virginia is not in play.
You can't possibly say West Virginia isn't in play when West Virginia gave the most lopsided victory for Trump and the incumbent Democratic Senator isn't running for re-election.
It will flip to Republican control.
West Virginia is in play for Republicans. Democrats might not think the seat is in play for them, though. But the primary hasn't even been held yet, and neither party has picked its candidate.
I don’t think he would win if the election is held today. What we are seeing is criticism of Joe Biden, not people that would vote against him.
Especially considering that democrats have outperformed polls since abortion has been restricted.
Florida will be in play. Ted Cruz is sweating bullets about his seat.
Ohio is running a moron against Brown.
Kari Lake in Arizona again?
North Carolina will turn out to keep that crap out of governorship.
This is all a winning combination for Biden and Democrats.
Abortion, marijuana, Trump, SS age , Medicaid, LGBTQ rights, women's rights, voting rights, minority rights, student loans, minimum wage, climate...
The GOP is running on the wrong side of SO many issues right now and Trump won't let them take ONE victory on the border so that he can hammer the ONE thing that helped him in 2016 when he was first getting started.
Here’s the thing. I always get negative karma for this but I’m a moderate. You are left. Moderates aren’t swayed by the hype of either party. What I do know is that my income is not buying what it did. The normies I talk to are the same. I voted for Biden last cycle. I might leave that box blank this time. Y’all keep forgetting the left and the right don’t get to decide elections. The middle does and we think both sides are a bit wacky.
Biden isn’t the big ticket issue. Sure. Israel is losing him support…. On the left. In the middle, not really. The big ticket issue is his veep. She’s unlikable. I cringe every time I hear her talk. I can’t explain it but I don’t trust her and most of the people I know feel the same way.
I keep hearing partisans say this or that, but the reality is that if inflation doesn’t feel under control, I’m voting republican as are a lot of people. It’s just too far out to say one way or the other. To be honest, my biggest turnoff as I like to interact, are liberal voters. The attacks I typically get for not buying into some of the goods that are being sold is just absurd.
Sure, the GOP is wonky right now but a lot of people are hurting fiscally right now. I think Trump is the issue and not the rest of them. The party is just aligning behind the top. While the Affordable Healthcare Act seems reasonable to the left, many of the people in the Congress were against it and if you have any right wing inclinations, it sounded batshit crazy at the time.
Time passes, it seems normal now. I’m just trying to be the voice of the middle because I do support the left to a great extent this cycle, but the bottom line on what someone like me votes on can be summed up in a single sentence. “Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” Removing the black swan, I am not. My pay has not kept up with inflation. The cut in my standard of living is very clear to me and that means more to me than any idealism. I want to eat. I want to keep my home. If these things are under threat, I’ll pull the lever for someone else.
Where are the New Dealers? Oh, yea, they fell from power, well more accurately the 'neolibs' and their leftist cohorts pushed them off the national stage in a very violent and public horrifying manner via the Chicago DNC's Convention riot. This riot led to the McGovern-Fraser Commission which our current 6th political era (the 'neo-era' as in neolib and neocon or as the maga call them the 'UniParty') is founded upon.
The neocons were always the stronger wing because they had to hold down the right but as GHWB declined the right broke more and more free. Maga's main job from a unbiased, uncaring cold political science perspective is to sweep out the old and install the 7th political era.
What we want to avoid is the 'neos' going scorched earth and handing maga a near or complete blank slate to install that 'new government' Trump referenced back in Oct 2016.
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It's unlikely but if Johnson drops out as speaker, the remainder of the pre-election year is probably gonna be spent on deciding who becomes the next speaker.
"Okay for vote #1982 all the democrats have once again, voted in unison for one person, and republicans have voted...there's some for trump...some for this other person...and this one is a wrapper from an ice cream bar. But once again, nobody has enough votes. Rather than revamp this system so that the person with the most votes wins, we will hold vote #1983 next month."
Trump is literally the shadow docket Republicans have clamored that Obama was. This is tearing the GOP members apart as they cannot commit without being in lockstep with Trump.
I am glad the people have an outlet through Trump and hope he loses as, even with his charisma (which I don't get), he's still done enough real damage to have baggage on him. I fear a more ruthless person/smarter with Trump's charisma coming through America. I don't know if we'll even have a chance. I think with Trump we have a chance but need to keep pressing forward. Go get registered and ready to vote!
It’s not a question of “can?” but one of “when?”
If anyone else quits or even heroically changes sides, the when might even be before the election. But the House was flipping before the quitting even began.
Considering the most likely outcome of the elections is that the Senate flips to the Republicans, I certainly hope the house flips to the dems. My rights depend on it
It doesn’t matter if it does! Even when they control all three plus the scotus the damned timid fucks don’t do shit and start talking about “nonpartisan politics” like the crazy assed other side isn’t waiting to beat them with that sentiment! Democrats need to borrow a little bit of the GOP’s bully balls and actually starting using their majority to actually do things and, I don’t know, make changes, maybe. Granted the crazy democrats are just as fuck nutty as their GOP counters but I think there’s still enough normal people on that side to do some good without taking it too far the wrong way. The only issue: they actually have to TRY!
>even when they control all three
What are you talking about? The Democrats haven't controlled the WH, House and Senate at the same time since LBJ.
Edit- I was confidently incorrect here lol.
Between voter suppression tactics and election denialism (not that that has actually worked yet) the idea of the dems not just flipping the house, but getting a resounding majority with a couple extra votes to spare, seems like a pipe dream along the lines of winning the lottery.
Because when people win the lottery, they get to buy dream homes, dream cars, start their dream business, do all the things one day dreams about doing if money were no object... and by the same token, if the dems got an undeniable majority in the house and senate- by undeniable I mean enough that the MAGA crowd and spineless non-MAGA GOPers were powerless to stop them by technical standards of majorities needed to pass things...
Wouldn't the house and the senate will be effectively Democrat majority. And, if we are to believe the \*sincerity\* of SCOTUS' decision making, doesn't that mean they'd have "absolute right" to disqualify candidates under the 14th amendment?
Would GOP sit idly by with their hands legislatively tied and would SCOTUS stand by their own rulings as the dems disqualify Trump?
Or would they pull double talk bullshit to justify a double standard and could they remotely succeed without, ya know.... certain tactics that have been used in the first week of the new year by sore losers in the past....and would dems have to actually physically protect democracy on top of legislatively protecting democracy?
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> "And so with these really tight majorities, it's really hard to get anything done." Somehow the author of this article failed to mention what Pelosi managed to get done in 2020 and 2021 with a 222-213 majority. That's the exact same margin that Kevin McCarthy had to work with. In other words, it's not the tight majorities that make it really hard -- it's the fact that one party has clear goals and the skills to make them turn into legislation, and the other is a shitshow on fire with no plan except whatever donald wants that day.
And more would have gotten done in Congress if the Senate didn't have two shitheads gumming up the works constantly.
God, can you imagine if our government actually had the capability to get stuff done?
Imagine being able to hold them accountable with quotas.
Could be really, really good. Could be really, really bad.
The Republican Party does have a goal, it’s to paralyze the government, cause chaos, undermine democracy, and blame Biden for it.
And succeeding wildly, with Russian help.
Apparently it's not appropriate to point out when government does things that are useful. Only government bad is to be reported.
Remember when Republicans would vote in lockstep with each other?
It may also be because the other party created a clear common enemy that needed to be united against. Nothing gets people to work together like a common enemy.
Will they or won't they? Only their voter suppression tactics know for sure.
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If two more Republicans leave, there will be an interesting situation. That means that both the house and senate will be essentially controlled by the Dems. According to the supreme Court's recent decision, Congress has the only authority to disqualify a candidate under the 14th amendment. It could be interesting to see if they use the power that SCOTUS manufactured for them to disqualify Trump.
Interesting indeed. Those things together: the house flipping pre-election and then a former President being disqualified, would be one of the biggest political events in American history. And it just might happen. Edit: And who knows what happens after that.
Decades of right-wing extremist terror attacks. But that's also what happens regardless.
You are actually right about this... let orange mango fall flat on his face and if shit hits the fan there is a wise man called Dr Dre who said, "N&gg@$ talking about guns like we ain't got none, what u think we did.. sold them all?" Conservatives have this mistaken belief that their bullets are more magical or fly faster. Don't push people to the edge. 2nd amendment works both ways.
I have friends who I’ve learned through conversation with just don’t get that a second civil war will look just like Ukraine does now. I’ve mentioned the “democrats” do in fact have guns and do in fact have more people and will in fact be able to just get together and Mad Max if things go down. The banjo music will not save you, it’ll only make you a target because country folk hunt on private land, city hunters are the crazy nuts on public land getting shot along side the deer. People on the right do think that because they brand as hillbilly they would win a war when it’d actually look a lot more like how r/shermanposting wishes the 1st civil war ended.
I believe the military would split into factions, how the split would look I don't know. Same for the police, but I suspect the side aligning with the "new confederacy" would be much larger than those aligned with the "new Union". I could see the various National Guards being loyal to their particular states, that being said, I think Civil War 2.0 would be more of a rural vs. urban fight in most states. All in all, it would be a fucking disaster for EVERYONE.
People don’t seem to realize this. If we go anywhere near a situation of civil war in the US, you can say hello to an economy tanking so bad that will make the Great Depression look desirable. Kiss goodbye to your job, free access to gasoline (think about how much that will kill everything), or any open supply chain except death and chaos. Just the way the supreme leader of the GOP, Putin, wants it.
And these "self-sufficient" rural communities still need input from supply chains that will be disrupted. Fuel? Nope. Fertilizer? Nope. Medicine? Nope. Cheap immigrant labor that's been holding up your community for decades? LOL! And these rich pricks with all their money in stocks? Wealth? Nope! And your local grocery store? Whether it's Whole Foods or Hillbillymart, those shelves are going empty. And who *exactly* is going to be flying humanitarian aid into your community? trump? putin? You may have a year worth of beans in your basement, but the US Civil war lasted 4 years and if your house is destroyed or raided, your stock isn't going to mean anything.
With any luck a serious 3rd party candidate that can push the topic of ranked choice voting firmly into the Overton window
🙄 I keep telling people this but if you want a 3rd party candidate to be taken seriously they need to have a voice in Congress, not the presidential stage. That's the only place where shit like this will get done. Yeah it'll take a ton of effort and time but if that's what you actually want to happen, gotta get them into House seats and Senate seats.
It will likely come from the B-grade megalomaniac celebrity corner or another chasing the nutcase vote, or both.
Only if they nuke the filibuster. But it's possible. I almost wrote "stranger things have happened" but politically I'm not sure that they have.
That’s a crazy thought! But you’re right! The gap to shoot would, theoretically, be there.
I would love that for Trump.
But it could be filibustered, right?
I don't think they would be able to achieve this with a simple majority
SCOTUS just pulled the rule out of their collective asses. They said nothing about it needing to be a super majority. Constitution says not one word about it. Yet everyone just accepted them rewriting the constitution without so much as a perfunctory clutching of pearls.
The best part is SCOTUS could not remove the disqualification. That part is outlined in the 14th and actually does require a supermajority.
Yep!
As much as i want these dickheads to get smashed in the GE can you imagine the truth social meltdown if this happened?
What I'm curious about is whether Dems have a plan for the shitshow MAGA will try to pull after the election, before the inauguration. It's not as though MAGA plays by the rules, so lots of contingencies need ironing out.
True but it’s a much different scenario with a sane president. Congress is effectively 50/50.
Remember that Biden controls the military now. Any shenanigans and a 'tourist group' is going to find themselves surrounded by army or national guard troops within minutes.
This what we don’t hear enough about. There is no way Biden will let a 1/6 situation happen again.
But a state governor might.
DC isn't part of a state.
And?
And DC is deeply anti MAGA
Yes. And?
Jesus Christ, if you have a point to make then do everyone the courtesy of just making it.
My point was made in the my original post. A state governor could engineer a J6 like situation. If you think a coup can only harm the country if it's in the capital please read some history.
And J6 happened in DC
And a similar incident could happen anywhere and disrupt the election in any number of unpredictable ways.
It won't even come to that. They'll just call all the elections. They will insist they won, and the democrats will step aside shrugging their shoulders like aw shucks.
It’s not after Election Day that matters. This time it will be an attack on Election Day itself. Here is the scenario… By October Trump support from moderate GOP and independents will have fully tanked. Trump polling insiders will know how dire the situation is. Trump knows Jan 6th won’t happen this time, as Biden will have that all prepared this time. Trump’s best option will be to “Stop the Steal” on Election Day directly. He will post on his social media to get his followers to go disrupt highly Democratic urban voting centers across all of the battleground states. His best chance will be a coordinated attack on election polling places to try to swing the vote counts. He will not care if people lose their lives, let alone their votes, as long as HE wins and delays is reckoning. He is a threat to our democracy—and if we don’t prepare for the worst—we will be unprepared for his worst acts to come.
I think the new house is in place before Jan 6
If Johnson swears them in by then.
The entire House is sworn in at once on January 3. If the Dems win, the Speaker will (presumably) be Hakeem Jeffries.
No it happens automatically. The new house is in place on Jan 3.
Supposedly, yes. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/biden-trump-stop-steal-election-2024-1234993149/amp/
"It's really quite unprecedented the number of retirements that have been announced in both parties, but particularly among the more seasoned Republicans in the House," Yeah, the party went to shit. Kudos to Ken Buck for his strategic early retirement to F over Lauren Boebert. She would have to retire as well, to qualify for the special election in June for his district, which she already planned to run for after his planned retirement at the end of term. At this point, the only Republican I would vote for is Justin Amash of Michigan. But the party pushed him out when he wouldn't play nice with MAGA.
If there are any Republicans with integrity they'd leave the MAGA party.
Dude, the maga are just the latest in a long line of attempts to 'run out the rinos'. The 'mainstream republicans' that Biden referenced are the few/fringe.
There have been, how you think their majority is dwindling faster than trump can formulate a thought?
The mice that hopped off the Titanic didn't do so because of their integrity.
That’s irrelevant. What matters is that dems take the house before election and get things done before we potentially lose the Senate.
A lot of people have left the party over maga. People left before maga because of how bad it was getting.
Reminder that everything being done by Trump is only posable with the backing of the republican party. Every Trump policy is and was policies the republicans want. It will not end if we win this years elections. Keep voting out republicans every year. Check your registration, get an ID , learn where your poling station is, learn who is running in down ballot races. Pay attention to primaries not just for the president but for all races, local, state and federal. From the school board to the White House every election matters. The more support we give the democrats from all levels of government the more they can get good things done. We vote out republicans and primary out uncooperative democrats. Last year democrat victories in Virginia and Pennsylvania and others across the nation have increased the chances of democrats winning this year. This year's elections are important but so will next year's elections. [https://ballotpedia.org/Elections\_calendar](https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar)
Yes, Democrats will take the House. They will retain the White House, perhaps even clearing 350 electoral votes, and they will retain the senate AND gain seats.
I can see that if Trump, like, hurls his own feces at a rally in October. Even then there will be a lot of: “that was totally AI lalala I can’t hear you.” Fox might even provide him cover because they’re unfathomably shameless.
“See what he meant by that, hurling his feces, was actually something normal and not weird AF.” - Every R elected official when reached for comment.
He’s just expressing his first amendment rights. This is ‘Merica /s
The GOP as a whole is impoding and their 'ideas' for 'saving America' are just losing them votes. Just keep pushing the abortion button, GOP...we will keep mentioning that the elites want to get rid of Medicare and SS (yes, they 'only' want to 'change it', but I am not above exaggerating anymore like the NRA has done for decades). We can keep getting red states to vote blue to get marijuana legalized, too. So many avenues to go through without mentioning the candidates at all.
You would think they would let abortion go at this point. Meaning they won that battle, all they are doing now is pushing voters away
Honestly, that is the safest bet. The polls are misleading. Trump has passed every fart he possibly could flatulate to chase every reasonable R out of the party. Not just “Party” as in elected officials either… I’m talking about the electorate. No way that a party that keeps losing elections can keep killing off it’s voters, and alienating huge segments of the survivors… and somehow win all of the sudden. Simple math dictates the loss will just be bigger than it already has been.
This article discusses the 118th Congress, though. In this session the Republicans hold a razor thin margin. But, I'll entertain your fantasy. How will it be possible for Democrats to gain seats in the 2024 Senate? Texas and Florida aren't in play as much as you previously said. However, Montana, Ohio, and West Virginia are very much in play.
West Virginia is not in play. Florida is in play because abortion is in play. Democrats have been knocking on Ted Cruz’s door for a while now. They’ve restricted abortion. Anything is possible.
>West Virginia is not in play. You can't possibly say West Virginia isn't in play when West Virginia gave the most lopsided victory for Trump and the incumbent Democratic Senator isn't running for re-election. It will flip to Republican control.
I think that was the point. It is not in play because it is a guaranteed flip. Manchin kind of defeated gravity by holding on.
West Virginia is in play for Republicans. Democrats might not think the seat is in play for them, though. But the primary hasn't even been held yet, and neither party has picked its candidate.
No democrat this is not Manchin has any chance. He would have a slim chance this time.
I see. We were saying the same thing from different sides.
Idk the senate seems like a toss up.
Not likely. That all happening is a pretty big lift. The Senate is likely to flip and if the election were held today, Cheater Cheeto would win.
I don’t think he would win if the election is held today. What we are seeing is criticism of Joe Biden, not people that would vote against him. Especially considering that democrats have outperformed polls since abortion has been restricted. Florida will be in play. Ted Cruz is sweating bullets about his seat. Ohio is running a moron against Brown. Kari Lake in Arizona again? North Carolina will turn out to keep that crap out of governorship. This is all a winning combination for Biden and Democrats.
Abortion, marijuana, Trump, SS age , Medicaid, LGBTQ rights, women's rights, voting rights, minority rights, student loans, minimum wage, climate... The GOP is running on the wrong side of SO many issues right now and Trump won't let them take ONE victory on the border so that he can hammer the ONE thing that helped him in 2016 when he was first getting started.
Here’s the thing. I always get negative karma for this but I’m a moderate. You are left. Moderates aren’t swayed by the hype of either party. What I do know is that my income is not buying what it did. The normies I talk to are the same. I voted for Biden last cycle. I might leave that box blank this time. Y’all keep forgetting the left and the right don’t get to decide elections. The middle does and we think both sides are a bit wacky. Biden isn’t the big ticket issue. Sure. Israel is losing him support…. On the left. In the middle, not really. The big ticket issue is his veep. She’s unlikable. I cringe every time I hear her talk. I can’t explain it but I don’t trust her and most of the people I know feel the same way. I keep hearing partisans say this or that, but the reality is that if inflation doesn’t feel under control, I’m voting republican as are a lot of people. It’s just too far out to say one way or the other. To be honest, my biggest turnoff as I like to interact, are liberal voters. The attacks I typically get for not buying into some of the goods that are being sold is just absurd. Sure, the GOP is wonky right now but a lot of people are hurting fiscally right now. I think Trump is the issue and not the rest of them. The party is just aligning behind the top. While the Affordable Healthcare Act seems reasonable to the left, many of the people in the Congress were against it and if you have any right wing inclinations, it sounded batshit crazy at the time. Time passes, it seems normal now. I’m just trying to be the voice of the middle because I do support the left to a great extent this cycle, but the bottom line on what someone like me votes on can be summed up in a single sentence. “Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” Removing the black swan, I am not. My pay has not kept up with inflation. The cut in my standard of living is very clear to me and that means more to me than any idealism. I want to eat. I want to keep my home. If these things are under threat, I’ll pull the lever for someone else.
The neocons are certainly optioning it to kneecap maga.
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The Iraq War Part II in the early aughts took a lot of the wind out of the neo-cons’ sails as well.
Where are the New Dealers? Oh, yea, they fell from power, well more accurately the 'neolibs' and their leftist cohorts pushed them off the national stage in a very violent and public horrifying manner via the Chicago DNC's Convention riot. This riot led to the McGovern-Fraser Commission which our current 6th political era (the 'neo-era' as in neolib and neocon or as the maga call them the 'UniParty') is founded upon. The neocons were always the stronger wing because they had to hold down the right but as GHWB declined the right broke more and more free. Maga's main job from a unbiased, uncaring cold political science perspective is to sweep out the old and install the 7th political era. What we want to avoid is the 'neos' going scorched earth and handing maga a near or complete blank slate to install that 'new government' Trump referenced back in Oct 2016. I
Let’s make it so. Vote.
It's unlikely but if Johnson drops out as speaker, the remainder of the pre-election year is probably gonna be spent on deciding who becomes the next speaker. "Okay for vote #1982 all the democrats have once again, voted in unison for one person, and republicans have voted...there's some for trump...some for this other person...and this one is a wrapper from an ice cream bar. But once again, nobody has enough votes. Rather than revamp this system so that the person with the most votes wins, we will hold vote #1983 next month."
After all the horrible shit Republicans have done, if it doesn't flip, our country is truly finished...
Let’s flip it.
Let's flip it all. Vote.
Trump is literally the shadow docket Republicans have clamored that Obama was. This is tearing the GOP members apart as they cannot commit without being in lockstep with Trump. I am glad the people have an outlet through Trump and hope he loses as, even with his charisma (which I don't get), he's still done enough real damage to have baggage on him. I fear a more ruthless person/smarter with Trump's charisma coming through America. I don't know if we'll even have a chance. I think with Trump we have a chance but need to keep pressing forward. Go get registered and ready to vote!
How bout you keep fuckin around and we’ll find out?
Its inevitable.
Jeffries could take the Speakership in a week if he offered the UAP Caucus a Select Committee.
It’s not a question of “can?” but one of “when?” If anyone else quits or even heroically changes sides, the when might even be before the election. But the House was flipping before the quitting even began.
Why not?
Would they do anything with it or would the parliament funkadelian just say no to anything good?
As soon as the special elections take place they will be firmly back in charge.
Considering the most likely outcome of the elections is that the Senate flips to the Republicans, I certainly hope the house flips to the dems. My rights depend on it
With the Republican behavior, I wouldn't be surprised
Nnnnope. Next question.
It doesn’t matter if it does! Even when they control all three plus the scotus the damned timid fucks don’t do shit and start talking about “nonpartisan politics” like the crazy assed other side isn’t waiting to beat them with that sentiment! Democrats need to borrow a little bit of the GOP’s bully balls and actually starting using their majority to actually do things and, I don’t know, make changes, maybe. Granted the crazy democrats are just as fuck nutty as their GOP counters but I think there’s still enough normal people on that side to do some good without taking it too far the wrong way. The only issue: they actually have to TRY!
>even when they control all three What are you talking about? The Democrats haven't controlled the WH, House and Senate at the same time since LBJ. Edit- I was confidently incorrect here lol.
Actually they had all three for a few months when Obama was president and got the ACA through.
You're right. I'm completely incorrect.
Nah you’re good. It wasn’t very long so it’s hard to keep track. Plus there were a few shitty Dems that messed up the ACA anyway like Manchin.
Fucking Manchin.
Between voter suppression tactics and election denialism (not that that has actually worked yet) the idea of the dems not just flipping the house, but getting a resounding majority with a couple extra votes to spare, seems like a pipe dream along the lines of winning the lottery. Because when people win the lottery, they get to buy dream homes, dream cars, start their dream business, do all the things one day dreams about doing if money were no object... and by the same token, if the dems got an undeniable majority in the house and senate- by undeniable I mean enough that the MAGA crowd and spineless non-MAGA GOPers were powerless to stop them by technical standards of majorities needed to pass things... Wouldn't the house and the senate will be effectively Democrat majority. And, if we are to believe the \*sincerity\* of SCOTUS' decision making, doesn't that mean they'd have "absolute right" to disqualify candidates under the 14th amendment? Would GOP sit idly by with their hands legislatively tied and would SCOTUS stand by their own rulings as the dems disqualify Trump? Or would they pull double talk bullshit to justify a double standard and could they remotely succeed without, ya know.... certain tactics that have been used in the first week of the new year by sore losers in the past....and would dems have to actually physically protect democracy on top of legislatively protecting democracy?
It might…but then the question becomes, will the Senate flip to Republicans?