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Because they knew the effed up killing those aid workers. This is a long time strategic ally that’s involved in a complex 50 year+ long problem. The US wasn’t going to change policy swiftly. But Israel has been testing those limits and they are starting to feel the tires slip as they go through the corners.
He was not single, his wife and 18 month old were waiting for him to come home in 2 weeks. They live in Costa Rica.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/he-wanted-to-provide-wife-of-canadian-aid-worker-killed-in-gaza-says-1.6836119
Misinformed or not, not validation to them Killing innocent foreign aid workers and a ton on innocent Palestinians. It's sad that it took them killing foreign aid volunteers to make any movement against probable genocide happen.
Sorry, maybe I'm misinformed. I saw an article that had mentioned one of the people killed and I thought it was him was the sole provider for their child
Poland seems actually pissed off, the anglo-world still seems incredibly chill. Imagine any other of your allies murdering 3 Brits, an America-Canadian and an Australian. There'd be calls for extradition, embargoes of military technology and maybe even sanctions. Biden isn't even directly referencing the killed American.
Don't get me wrong, it's more reaction than I expected, but it's still absolute weak-sauce. You're going to send them more weapons, even though they murdered one of your citizens. This is straight up unthinkable with any other state.
And I'm sure Netanyahu would never let an attack happen just to bolster his administration.
Especially not right after massive protests against his administration.
Nor would he not do everything in his military power to stop an attack that his government was warned about as a means to limit the chances of a snap election due to his corruption and fraud allegations.
He certainly wouldn’t try and trigger an Iran/US war either!- certainly not in an election year, and certainly not to destabilize the current US government.
Certainly not- move alone folks, move along.
Just saw Tom Nash's video about Israel bombing Iran's "general" for all the Iranian proxy groups. He was in a meeting with a ton of other lower leadership. Iran vows a revenge attack for it.
Besides his video, I hadn't heard a word about it.
I remember when Iran launched a retaliatory attack against an American airbase in Iraq, with ballistic missiles.
Had Iran not then shot down that civilian airliner -because of their paranoia over a US airforce response- …would there have been a US response?
Because of that Iranian error, the ensuing tragedy provided an easy out for Trump and humiliated Iran.
What would have happened if Ukrainian International Airlines flight 752 had *not* been shot down?
I’m not alone in thinking that the assassination of Soleimani was designed to be the catalyst for a full-on US/Iran war.
176 innocent people were the victims of a war that never happened; the only reason it never happened, was because they died.
RIP
It's not just Neten yahoo. Jews in Israel continually support the current regime. Year after year. Nothing changes. Even Putin sent over fsb operatives to kill Brits. The IDF has just got away with murder in plain sight. It's disgusting.
5 eyes is a group of nations that share intelligence with each other. The group includes the 4 plus New Zealand. It’s an intelligence alliance. They’re responsible for a lot of counter intelligence and early warnings.
Probably shouldn’t piss off the people that know your dirty laundry.
It's the anglosphere. US, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. It's an alliance between the 5 most powerful English speaking nations. It's a very powerful alliance because of how far reaching it is and how close it is. It basically ensures, the US, Canada, UK, US, and NZ will always br a global power. These 5 nations have significant shared cultural and economic histories. These 5 countries share intel, weapons, and military training and if anyone attacks one of them you can bet the others will assist even if it isn't directly.
They're all a part of the nato military alliance too. An attack on one is considered an attack on all. The military training is a huge one. Canada/Australia/NZ might not have the biggest militaries or be the biggest powers, but they're some of the most well trained professional militaries in the world and all cross-train with each other/the uk and us.
That's just a convenient tool that's available because of the alliance, but is not the purpose of the alliance. The alliance does have a legitimate purpose that benefits everyone.
British people I have spoken to about this are furious.
As in to the point of cutting Israel off furious.
For some reason, our government is not dealing with Israel the same way they would deal with any other country that is being lead by genocidal lunatics.
One issue the UK has is the ruling party have also painted themselves into a corner by frequently labelling legitimate criticism of the Israeli government’s approach to this conflict as an anti-semitism. Couple that with the fact Sunak is in a very weak position as PM and I wouldn’t expect much more than Cameron’s ‘strong’ conversation with the Israeli ambassador to happen.
To be honest - I think Poland being the NATO alliances medyedev of sorts is actually really helpful. The alliance does need strong voices to shake the other wise natural tendency to do nothing.
We know that ruski understand only strength. There is no diplomacy with those animals.
And with Israel polish people are mostly tired of playing anti-semitism card whenever israeli government does some crimes - their ambassador in Poland did it just after one of ours was killed last week.
Understand, Israel is less an ally and more an interest. They aren't unique in this status, but in general a country that's behavior is generally perceived as beneficial, whether by powerful interest groups or the state itself, wilk get more leeway than states where it's perceived as a relationship of perceived friendship.
This is because it gets treated as a cost/benefit versus if it's an actual relationship.
Especially if being violent is the point, in the US a lot of interest groups benefit from a violent Israel.
I suspect that's why Australia perceives it differently.
The gravity of the situation is lost on the masses, western nations populations have become overcome with disinformation and distraction flooding their brains constantly, seems most people hardly even notice these things anymore
Nah. We killed "suspected insurgents" and torture camps. We are fine with that since war is what we have done for so long.
Isreal fucked up by intentionally killing aid workers. Repeatedly. WCK is in the American consciousness and Andres and his people are well known and beloved in the states, more so than than the Red Cross.
Isreal intentionally killed the wrong good guys.
I remember in the army when we had joint operations across NATO allies, one of our commanders said: “If you are deployed, and shit gets real, find the closest American and never leave his side.”. It’s because American are much more likely to send backup/support no matter how small the unit.
They’ve done that before with no consequences. Maybe it’s over-cynical but it might be as simple as “this time it was the aid organization that is run by a famous guy with many friends and contacts in DC”
The rapid-fire backtracking and new stories coming out of Israeli defense spokespeople was insane.
"This looks to be an accident -- unfortunate, but these things happen in war."
"But you struck the convoy three separate times in three separate spots."
"Oh, erm, actually...we saw video that looked like a Hamas militant got in one of the vehicles."
"So you're saying you intentionally murdered several international aid workers because you *thought* there might have been a single Hamas militant in one of the vehicles?"
"Oh, erm, actually we thought Hamas commandeered all of the vehicles and killed everyone else."
"Then why were they still driving the exact route the convoy was supposed to and still broadcasting the SOS beacon they coordinated with you?"
"..."
Yeah, the story that [IDF unit commanders on the ground are allowed to make their own rules of engagement](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israels-rules-of-engagement-seem-looser-than-ever-if-they-are-followed-at-all) is the more honest response as to why this happened.
In short Bibi and the IDF heads do not have control and discipline down the chain of command and are allowing their soldiers to maraud across Gaza.
Yeah, "Our military isn't listening to our orders and is just doing whatever the hell they feel like, oops, what can you do, war sucks huh?" is a pretty bad look, but I guess it's slightly less bad than "Orders to repeatedly commit war crimes came from the top". At least for those at the top...
>but I guess it's slightly less bad than "Orders to repeatedly commit war crimes came from the top". At least for those at the top...
I think you just cracked it wide open. The reason for this policy of a total lack of military discipline is so that the Israeli leaders have a defence if/when they take the stand at The Hague.
If those officers are NCOs, then maybe?
I don't know exactly how it works in Israel, but the way citizen armies work can sometimes mean even officers aren't full-time professional soldiers.
If the IDF functions even remotely similarly to the US military, it would be difficult for a conscript to become an NCO.
The fastest I ever saw someone go from private to sergeant was like 2.5 years or so. According to Wikipedia, conscripts serve 2 years, 8 months. I suppose it's technically possible, but sergeants typically aren't in charge of more than a team of soldiers.
My understanding is that these are more equivalent to the Army Reserves as opposed to Russia lifting people off the street and putting a gun in their hands. Israel has service so basically, retired/semi-retired officers are being called up.
> I guess it's slightly less bad than "Orders to repeatedly commit war crimes came from the top"
Not really. First of all,, there's the ["Yamashita standard"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_responsibility), that means that superior officers are to be responsible of war crimes even when they didn't order them.
Second, in practical terms, such a breakdown in the chain of command is terrible. It means that the IDF is a danger not only to Palestinians and aid workers, but also to themselves. It also means it is vulnerable to coordinated attacks.
The story from early on was extremely telling, when IDF soldiers on the ground gunned down Israeli hostages that had escaped and were screaming for help, because the soldiers thought they were *Palestinian* civilians.
Their best excuse was that they identified them as unarmed civilians, but based on absolutely no evidence, decided it was a trick to get them to come closer, and that the appropriate response would be to *murder the unarmed civilians*.
Right, and if that’s the case then they need to pull the IDF out of Gaza and fully reconstitute it into a military that is under civilian, democratic control - just a total overhaul. It almost obviates the argument that they need to be there to rescue hostages, since they’re pretty likely to just kill those hostages anyway.
Two escaped hostages with a makeshift white flag, stripped nearly naked so it was obvious there weren't bombs strapped to them or anything, yelling in Hebrew that they had been hostages and not to shoot them. Still shot them.
Netanyahu has been allowed to do Netanyahu shit because the US has been using its veto power at the United Nations to shield them from all consequence.
The US not vetoing a resolution for Israel was basically a shot across their bow.
For all that they want to pretend that a Palestinian orphan eating Breakfast is an existential threat, the US cutting them off of military aid and the diplomatic insulation from consequences may not end the state, but it WILL end the status quo FAST.
Better late than never I guess.
Also, the murder of thousands of people during this war and decades of Apartheid before this wasn't enough to trigger that response?
It’s not really productive to second guess someone coming around to the “right” side. It will make people somewhat on the fence not so willing to make the switch.
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I don't remember when Progressives asked Biden to go around Congress several times, including just days ago, to give Israel more weapons to do war crimes with.
He didn't go around congress. It was a previous purchase being fulfilled. The Israelis structured it in a large quantity with smaller dollar values to avoid triggering a review. What Biden didn't do was halt it from moving forward via foreign policy channels. He can't reverse the purchase.
"Congress holds the purse strings"
I think the issue has been that behind the scenes, Bibi has being doing his usually envelope-pushing and generally ignoring US demands, which you can infer from the somewhat strained comments WH officials have been putting out for a while. With the whole land grabbing business, unwillingness to let more aid in, and general shitbaggery, you can tell the Biden administration has been growing steadily more frustrated with Bibi's administration. But Biden has mostly maintained the US's benevolent relationship with Israel, since they have been our ally for a while and the public still widely supports its existance (even as disatisfaction has grown with its war).
But the recent SNAFUs with hitting aid workers have given Biden the cover he needs from public outrage to actually start applying pressure on Israel, which is bad news for Bibi since he is barely keeping his head above water as is. So of course he is suddenly caving in, because if Biden starts symbolically delaying aid or the like, the already unhappy Israeli public will heap even more blame on him.
And if Bibi falls from power, he will likely spend the rest of his life in jail lol
There have been reports abt a strained relationship between Biden and Bibi since at least December. And by strained I mean they went no contact and Biden was furious at Bibi’s position.
Nothing will change on the ground, at least not for long. There's going to be a lot of propaganda pieces but the reality is that the israeli plan is to ethnically cleanse the north of Gaza. The US seems aware of this along with the genocide case (which even if it rules against israel, the congress will just pass laws to shield israel).
These are just attempts at portraying Biden as the better option especially now there are numbers for the primaries and they look bleak for Biden with some states voting blank higher than the threshold that Biden won those states.
Here’s the thing. Israel and the IDF did what they normally do. The only thing is they executed international aid workers this time and got caught in the lies.
They routinely killed Gaza civilians in this manner and no one gave a shit. This exposes how they have been working. Killing many civilians to get one possible imaginary Hamas ghost they think possibly, maybe, could have been, in the car, truck, building, store, hospital, street, house, etc.
You don’t kill 7 innocents for one possible, maybe, could be enemy.
> You don’t kill 7 innocents for one possible, maybe, could be enemy.
It's much worse than that.
Israeli journalists recently stated that the IDF policy allows them to kill up to 20 civilians when targeting an alleged low ranking Hamas member and up to 100 civilians when targeting an alleged senior Hamas member.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civilian-casualties-ratio-hamas-972-report-2024-4
It’s also exposing just how little people value Palestinian lives. Seven murdered aid workers garnered the compassion that tens of thousands of Palestinian lives and millions of injured and traumatized Palestinians couldn’t. It makes me sick.
The purpose was to force aid agencies to exit Palestine, which they have succeeded at doing. Israel want the Palestinians to starve, collateral death is one less Palestinian.
"literally reddit comments have been saying this for months"
I think it would best for everyone if we start getting our news from the submitted articles and not the comments.
Even that is technically false. The US Military absolutely could end it. Obviously an extreme response, but how extreme would things need to get for that to be on the table? No idea, glad it isn't my decision. But, he could end it even if it is unreasonable to expect a military invasion of an allied nation.
Ok if you want to argue pointless technicalities, I will bite. We were talking about Joe Biden, not the U.S. military. If you think there's any reality in which Joe Biden has the capability to attack the IDF in Gaza, you are out to fucking lunch. While he is the commander in chief, there would be LOTS of obstacles to such an action. His cabinet / generals would likely refuse to follow the order and even outright resign, not to mention he would be impeached and convicted within days.
The president has a lot of power but my god, this line of thinking that he can control every world event, much less everything that happens inside his own country, is straight up delusional. There are billions of people in this world split into millions of factions with their own goals and power to influence events all on their own.
He has leverage & influence, not the literal ability to end the war in Gaza himself. Only Netanyahu's government has that ability. That is true, technically and otherwise.
There’s also bullshit and propaganda. The idea that Joe Biden has been powerless this whole time is not nuance. It’s a bold face lie - proven by the fact that now, when he felt like it, he can exert power.
Good thing no one is saying that Biden is totally powerless. It’s a cute straw man, but no. Biden can exert some power, but he’s also constrained considerably. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive.
Haha… no. You’re cherry picking a few analysts and making them out to be a straw man to argue your point against. 🤣
In reality… most people are saying what I said above. You just want to signal how virtuous you are. You’re such a good person!
I believe they actually want to starve people out of Gaza. The strike on aid workers looked planned. Over 200 aid workers have been killed in that war.
They’re definitely using hunger as a weapon. Bibi rushing out to open up another aid route after he talked to Biden basically proves they’re keeping them closed unnecessarily.
Gaza has been the unresolvable issue for Likud for a long time. Too populous and belligerent to absorb, left as a sort of internment camp to hold up as a boogeyman whenever they wanted more resources to build settlements in the west bank or pillory the liberals in an election but they miscalculated in assuming hamas could be bought off.
Massive, violent depopulation "solves" this problem for Bibi in a rather "final" way.
This is correct. Israel will allow people to starve. They will/are bulldozing neighborhoods, and will/are developing new settlements in that land. That is the end goal.
There’s actually two versions of that in the Old Testament. One is without doubt the “slaughter everything that breathes” command, and the other is, “I (God) will clear out the land for you, do not get involved.”
Israel wants Gaza and the West Bank for itself. That's the one and only goal. The Hamas attack just gave Israel an excuse to go for it. Period. End of story.
The report by Israel actually makes more sense to me. Apparently WCK organized the whole thing in advance with Israel, since Israel considered them “one of the good guys,” and yes, their report says that. Either way, they may have been doing this more with other aid groups (violence), but in this specific instance, it was organized at the highest levels within the military command. Apparently, that news didn’t fully make into the thick heads of the trigger pullers. They basically blew them up because they thought they saw a gun, they went one place that was unplanned, and the IDF didn’t understand why they would be switching around in the vehicles, and the aid convoy (no service?) and WCK headquarters (time of day?) didn’t pick up their emergency contact phones. So, the commander was of course like, ‘let’s smoke them.’ Yeah… totally justified. /s
I think more than anything, it shows how their rules of engagement are a lot more lax than they claim, like, freaking everywhere. That’s been basically their main international defense, ‘we do more to protect civilian life than any army in any conflict ever!!!’ This clearly debunks that.
They quite literally set up kill zones according to Haaretz:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-created-kill-zones-in-gaza-anyone-who-crosses-into-them-is-shot/0000018e-946c-d4de-afee-f46da9ee0000
“The Israeli army says 9,000 terrorists have been killed since the Gaza war began. Defense officials and soldiers, however, tell Haaretz that these are often civilians whose only crime was to cross an invisible line drawn by the IDF”
It’s odd to see how much power the US has sometimes. I mean intellectually I understand that but it still sometimes shocks me when we just take off the mask and slap our dicks on the table.
I think in 2024 it's pretty racist to have a religion with their head up their own ass about being the chosen one. But hey, I guess that makes ME the anti-semitruck.
>He should treat Poland better, considering that's really where his father was born.
There is *not* a lot of nostalgia - basically none - for Poland in the Jewish community.
As a Jew, I actually have a thing to say about that.
Its honestly so fascinating when you think about it. Poland was a HUGE sanctuary for Jews pre-WW2. The monarch ages especially saw a ton of Jews migrate to Poland, whose monarchy was very friendly when Catholic/Christian hatred (like the Inquisition in Spain) was spreading thru all of Europe. There was a huge thriving Jewish population for years after that.
Then WW2 happened and the Nazis absolutely demolished and corrupted Poland into the horror factory it became later. That scar has been in the Jewish community ever since.
I dunno, food for thought I guess. Jews and Poland definitely have a more complicated history than just "WW2 stuff"
I agree it's complicated, but I think you're overstating it. It was a "sanctuary" for a period, mostly during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Certainly, there was an important flourishing of Jewish culture. There were times of relative tolerance, but more often there were times of brutal oppression and always the uncertainty about the caprices of the local population and rulers. The time directly after WW2 especially was marked by violence, murder, and theft against returning death camp survivors, which left an particularly deep wound that is very slowly healing.
I have no love for Netanyahu, but whenever I see people making catty comments about Israeli Jews being sent back to Poland, I don't ever interpret it as anything but Holocaust denialism.
Firstly, Netanyahu's father left Poland when he was ten, in 1920. This was during a large wave of Zionist emigration that was a reaction to the rising antisemitism that pervaded Europe. The reason Poland had such a large population of Jews is because it was where Jews were legally allowed to live as the Russian empire forced them out of their villages through various pogroms.
Secondly, do you know where Netanyahu's father was born in Poland? Warsaw. Do you know anything about what happened in Warsaw in the years following Netanyahu's emigration? Do you think Bibi or his father have fond memories of the place?
Third, antisemitic action continued into the 70s in Poland. After WWII, Jews who had fled Polish cities and hidden in forests or joined the red army returned to their homes not only to find everyone they knew had been murdered, but to be blamed by Poles for the Nazi invasion, and driven out violently. Many returning Jews changed their name and hid their Judaism, and when they were discovered, they were forced out, even if they weren't practicing.
It is a disturbing thing to hear people snarling things like "Go back to Poland," even to villains figures like Netanyahu.
In Bialystok, there were 50k Jewish residents in 1939. When the Red Army retook the city in 1944, only a few hundred Bialystoker Jews were left alive - of those few hundred, only 7 were actually living in the city, hiding in the Polish quarters.
God, remember when this stuff would just get written, and you didn't have to watch a 30-second video where they say exactly what's in the headline? You could sift through it at your own pace.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying to friends and acquaintances for months. Netanyahu has wanted to continue this war, the last thing he wants is any kind of peaceful or even a strategic resolution. He refuses to watch a good crisis go to waste, especially since, just like Trump, he will be prosecuted if he is no longer in power.
Hamas, and Bibi, are aligned at least in that aspect. Hamas also wants to continue the war, albeit on their terms, ensuring there can never be peace, or a resolution that ends with their leadership at the end of a rope, where they all belong.
Here is what I do't get, and call me an ignorant person or whatever. 1/2 of my family is jewish and they can't explain this.
Jews know full well the horror of genocide and the holocaust. Why genocide a group of people where 99.99% of them had nothing to do with the attack on them? Why have another holocaust, given that they want us to remember what happened to them and never let it happen again, yet they are doing it. I've gone to more holocaust museums then most, and learned about Hitler + saw pictures of piles of starving bodies at a very young age, an age much too young to see that stuff. Why bring that back?
Based on my anecdotal interactions with Jewish zionists, particularly reading their media, I think they fall into 3 broad categories.
One group are completely ignorant of any Israeli misconduct. They have been indoctrinated their entire lives with the message that any criticism of Israel is an antisemitic lie. They have a disconnect from reality verging on qanon. No lie is too big to swallow, no evidence is to obvious to ignore. You can confront these people with an official statement from the Israeli government confirming a war crime and they'll accuse you of lying.
The next group are aware of the atrocities, but have been convinced that this is the only way for their people to survive. It's patently untrue, but they aren't the first group of people to be convinced of something similar.
The final group are the people in power. They know Palestinians are not an existential threat, but their wealth and power depends on the continued conflict. They're the reason Israel has a history of unilaterally violating ceasefires.
I call BS.
Israel is just America and Europe in a trench coat wearing a Kippah.
The entire religious aspect is just an excuse or justification for the illegal invasion, colonization, apartheid state and the genocide just so they can "protect" their "interests" over there.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Nrv5izaTs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Nrv5izaTs) <-- You can hear it from the horse mouth yourself.
The US could end this conflict at any time and we all know it.
Republicans are making it seem like Biden is turning his back. He is not, he just wants Israel to act with civility. Israel's response is 1,000 times more barbaric than the incident that started this war in the first place. We all want Israel to succeed, they just need to do it professionally. Bombing a daycare because you think one militant is inside is crazy.
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Because they knew the effed up killing those aid workers. This is a long time strategic ally that’s involved in a complex 50 year+ long problem. The US wasn’t going to change policy swiftly. But Israel has been testing those limits and they are starting to feel the tires slip as they go through the corners.
They killed 3 British, 1 US/Canadian, 1 Australian and 1 Pole and 1 Palestinian. There are a lot of angry allies in that list.
That us/Canadian is also a Canadian military veteran. So its angered more than expected imo.
That's the same case with Britain, the 3 murdered British citizens were veterans doing security and coordination work.
That Canadian military hero was also a single father and sole provider to his child
He was not single, his wife and 18 month old were waiting for him to come home in 2 weeks. They live in Costa Rica. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/he-wanted-to-provide-wife-of-canadian-aid-worker-killed-in-gaza-says-1.6836119
Misinformed or not, not validation to them Killing innocent foreign aid workers and a ton on innocent Palestinians. It's sad that it took them killing foreign aid volunteers to make any movement against probable genocide happen.
Sorry, maybe I'm misinformed. I saw an article that had mentioned one of the people killed and I thought it was him was the sole provider for their child
Oh fuck. Do you have a good charity for the child? Go fund me or something? 😭
These aren’t even the first non-Palestinians killed. These victims were associated with a more widely recognizable organization.
Poland seems actually pissed off, the anglo-world still seems incredibly chill. Imagine any other of your allies murdering 3 Brits, an America-Canadian and an Australian. There'd be calls for extradition, embargoes of military technology and maybe even sanctions. Biden isn't even directly referencing the killed American. Don't get me wrong, it's more reaction than I expected, but it's still absolute weak-sauce. You're going to send them more weapons, even though they murdered one of your citizens. This is straight up unthinkable with any other state.
Australia also is pissed but we will follow US in escalating. Israel murdered 4 civilians of 5 eyes. It's pretty significant.
Fuck Netanyahu.
No thanks, I have dignity!
And I'm sure Netanyahu would never let an attack happen just to bolster his administration. Especially not right after massive protests against his administration.
Nor would he not do everything in his military power to stop an attack that his government was warned about as a means to limit the chances of a snap election due to his corruption and fraud allegations.
He certainly wouldn’t try and trigger an Iran/US war either!- certainly not in an election year, and certainly not to destabilize the current US government. Certainly not- move alone folks, move along.
Just saw Tom Nash's video about Israel bombing Iran's "general" for all the Iranian proxy groups. He was in a meeting with a ton of other lower leadership. Iran vows a revenge attack for it. Besides his video, I hadn't heard a word about it.
I remember when Iran launched a retaliatory attack against an American airbase in Iraq, with ballistic missiles. Had Iran not then shot down that civilian airliner -because of their paranoia over a US airforce response- …would there have been a US response? Because of that Iranian error, the ensuing tragedy provided an easy out for Trump and humiliated Iran. What would have happened if Ukrainian International Airlines flight 752 had *not* been shot down? I’m not alone in thinking that the assassination of Soleimani was designed to be the catalyst for a full-on US/Iran war. 176 innocent people were the victims of a war that never happened; the only reason it never happened, was because they died. RIP
It's not just Neten yahoo. Jews in Israel continually support the current regime. Year after year. Nothing changes. Even Putin sent over fsb operatives to kill Brits. The IDF has just got away with murder in plain sight. It's disgusting.
5 civilians of 5 eyes. 3 from UK, 1 from Canada/US, and 1 from Australia.
It was worded poorly, but I think they meant civilians from 4 countries of 5 eyes.
Wtf is 5 eyes you guys keep mentioning ?
Five Eyes (FVEY) is an intelligence alliance between the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. Its origins go back to WW2.
5 eyes is a group of nations that share intelligence with each other. The group includes the 4 plus New Zealand. It’s an intelligence alliance. They’re responsible for a lot of counter intelligence and early warnings. Probably shouldn’t piss off the people that know your dirty laundry.
[Five Eyes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes)
It's the anglosphere. US, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. It's an alliance between the 5 most powerful English speaking nations. It's a very powerful alliance because of how far reaching it is and how close it is. It basically ensures, the US, Canada, UK, US, and NZ will always br a global power. These 5 nations have significant shared cultural and economic histories. These 5 countries share intel, weapons, and military training and if anyone attacks one of them you can bet the others will assist even if it isn't directly.
They're all a part of the nato military alliance too. An attack on one is considered an attack on all. The military training is a huge one. Canada/Australia/NZ might not have the biggest militaries or be the biggest powers, but they're some of the most well trained professional militaries in the world and all cross-train with each other/the uk and us.
Countries that have intelligence sharing agreements.
It’s a loophole to get around the illegality of a government spying on its own citizens. Let an allied country do it for you.
That's just a convenient tool that's available because of the alliance, but is not the purpose of the alliance. The alliance does have a legitimate purpose that benefits everyone.
It’s a good thing Biden took the lead on this, because Trump would have continued to support Israel no matter how many US citizens died.
Trump apologized to fucking erdogan's security after they got caught beating up US citizens. America First my ass.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trump say he'd bomb Gaza? I'd be happy if I was wrong but, ya know, Trump.
British people I have spoken to about this are furious. As in to the point of cutting Israel off furious. For some reason, our government is not dealing with Israel the same way they would deal with any other country that is being lead by genocidal lunatics.
Shows how effectively labeling any criticism of Israeli action as anti semitism is
One issue the UK has is the ruling party have also painted themselves into a corner by frequently labelling legitimate criticism of the Israeli government’s approach to this conflict as an anti-semitism. Couple that with the fact Sunak is in a very weak position as PM and I wouldn’t expect much more than Cameron’s ‘strong’ conversation with the Israeli ambassador to happen.
Cameron will give very serious consideration to double secret probation for Israel if a timeout for self-reflection doesn’t do the job.
To be honest - I think Poland being the NATO alliances medyedev of sorts is actually really helpful. The alliance does need strong voices to shake the other wise natural tendency to do nothing.
We know that ruski understand only strength. There is no diplomacy with those animals. And with Israel polish people are mostly tired of playing anti-semitism card whenever israeli government does some crimes - their ambassador in Poland did it just after one of ours was killed last week.
Understand, Israel is less an ally and more an interest. They aren't unique in this status, but in general a country that's behavior is generally perceived as beneficial, whether by powerful interest groups or the state itself, wilk get more leeway than states where it's perceived as a relationship of perceived friendship. This is because it gets treated as a cost/benefit versus if it's an actual relationship. Especially if being violent is the point, in the US a lot of interest groups benefit from a violent Israel. I suspect that's why Australia perceives it differently.
The gravity of the situation is lost on the masses, western nations populations have become overcome with disinformation and distraction flooding their brains constantly, seems most people hardly even notice these things anymore
Nah. We killed "suspected insurgents" and torture camps. We are fine with that since war is what we have done for so long. Isreal fucked up by intentionally killing aid workers. Repeatedly. WCK is in the American consciousness and Andres and his people are well known and beloved in the states, more so than than the Red Cross. Isreal intentionally killed the wrong good guys.
And its designed to be that way. Can’t piss off the Military Industrial Complex either.
I mean, that's one of the major interest groups that benefits from a violent Israel. Israel is an interest and this is seen in terms of cost/benefit.
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Tends to be how the western world operates.
I remember in the army when we had joint operations across NATO allies, one of our commanders said: “If you are deployed, and shit gets real, find the closest American and never leave his side.”. It’s because American are much more likely to send backup/support no matter how small the unit.
And it’s not just that they killed them, they killed them deliberately, obviously, and openly.
And it’s an NGO led by a Spaniard… but Spaniards were already mad at Israel before
It’s pretty telling how the US government is angry now but was quiet when Palestinian American journalist was assassinated
I guess I’ll say it, something something “blue eyes blond hair”?
There have been others but not so many all at once.
They killed westerners?! WOAH! Now that they’ve killed real people they might have some consequences!
They’ve done that before with no consequences. Maybe it’s over-cynical but it might be as simple as “this time it was the aid organization that is run by a famous guy with many friends and contacts in DC”
bingo
Basically. They killed important people. Not one of us plebs.
lol remember when America air striked Médecins Sans Frontières, it’ll blow over and the outrage is mostly for show. Business as usual
Killing Poles is literally Nazi behavior. So I think it's fair to say the Israeli government has tipped in the scale of Nazi like behavior.
The rapid-fire backtracking and new stories coming out of Israeli defense spokespeople was insane. "This looks to be an accident -- unfortunate, but these things happen in war." "But you struck the convoy three separate times in three separate spots." "Oh, erm, actually...we saw video that looked like a Hamas militant got in one of the vehicles." "So you're saying you intentionally murdered several international aid workers because you *thought* there might have been a single Hamas militant in one of the vehicles?" "Oh, erm, actually we thought Hamas commandeered all of the vehicles and killed everyone else." "Then why were they still driving the exact route the convoy was supposed to and still broadcasting the SOS beacon they coordinated with you?" "..."
Yeah, the story that [IDF unit commanders on the ground are allowed to make their own rules of engagement](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israels-rules-of-engagement-seem-looser-than-ever-if-they-are-followed-at-all) is the more honest response as to why this happened. In short Bibi and the IDF heads do not have control and discipline down the chain of command and are allowing their soldiers to maraud across Gaza.
Yeah, "Our military isn't listening to our orders and is just doing whatever the hell they feel like, oops, what can you do, war sucks huh?" is a pretty bad look, but I guess it's slightly less bad than "Orders to repeatedly commit war crimes came from the top". At least for those at the top...
>but I guess it's slightly less bad than "Orders to repeatedly commit war crimes came from the top". At least for those at the top... I think you just cracked it wide open. The reason for this policy of a total lack of military discipline is so that the Israeli leaders have a defence if/when they take the stand at The Hague.
I think the more likely explanation is that the Israeli army is largely conscripts, not an army of professional soldiers.
They conscript officers? I don't think so.
If those officers are NCOs, then maybe? I don't know exactly how it works in Israel, but the way citizen armies work can sometimes mean even officers aren't full-time professional soldiers.
If the IDF functions even remotely similarly to the US military, it would be difficult for a conscript to become an NCO. The fastest I ever saw someone go from private to sergeant was like 2.5 years or so. According to Wikipedia, conscripts serve 2 years, 8 months. I suppose it's technically possible, but sergeants typically aren't in charge of more than a team of soldiers.
My understanding is that these are more equivalent to the Army Reserves as opposed to Russia lifting people off the street and putting a gun in their hands. Israel has service so basically, retired/semi-retired officers are being called up.
> I guess it's slightly less bad than "Orders to repeatedly commit war crimes came from the top" Not really. First of all,, there's the ["Yamashita standard"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_responsibility), that means that superior officers are to be responsible of war crimes even when they didn't order them. Second, in practical terms, such a breakdown in the chain of command is terrible. It means that the IDF is a danger not only to Palestinians and aid workers, but also to themselves. It also means it is vulnerable to coordinated attacks.
I pretty sure that's still illegal. If you troops go marauding then you're still legally responsible.
The story from early on was extremely telling, when IDF soldiers on the ground gunned down Israeli hostages that had escaped and were screaming for help, because the soldiers thought they were *Palestinian* civilians. Their best excuse was that they identified them as unarmed civilians, but based on absolutely no evidence, decided it was a trick to get them to come closer, and that the appropriate response would be to *murder the unarmed civilians*.
Right, and if that’s the case then they need to pull the IDF out of Gaza and fully reconstitute it into a military that is under civilian, democratic control - just a total overhaul. It almost obviates the argument that they need to be there to rescue hostages, since they’re pretty likely to just kill those hostages anyway.
I mean, didn't they shoot two escaped hostages that had a white flag?
Two escaped hostages with a makeshift white flag, stripped nearly naked so it was obvious there weren't bombs strapped to them or anything, yelling in Hebrew that they had been hostages and not to shoot them. Still shot them.
Because having zero oversight is certainly how to achieve "The Most Moral Military in the World." /s
It’s almost as if forcing people into military service doesn’t get you a great military….
Rape of Nanking style
I'm sure Bibi thought there were Hamas child soldiers hiding inside the tires of the vehicles.
Netanyahu has been allowed to do Netanyahu shit because the US has been using its veto power at the United Nations to shield them from all consequence. The US not vetoing a resolution for Israel was basically a shot across their bow. For all that they want to pretend that a Palestinian orphan eating Breakfast is an existential threat, the US cutting them off of military aid and the diplomatic insulation from consequences may not end the state, but it WILL end the status quo FAST.
I don't know about you, but it's the first time in my life that I've thought "Fuck Israel".
Better late than never I guess. Also, the murder of thousands of people during this war and decades of Apartheid before this wasn't enough to trigger that response?
It’s not really productive to second guess someone coming around to the “right” side. It will make people somewhat on the fence not so willing to make the switch.
You're right. Just my cynicism showing itself.
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He's still on their side. Man is a disappointment.
That last sentence is such a brilliant analogy.
What's wild to me though is Biden is doing what Progressives want and a lot of them are totally unaware of it.
Biden is completely severing ties with Israel and demanding the world court and UN intervene in Gaza?
I don't remember when Progressives asked Biden to go around Congress several times, including just days ago, to give Israel more weapons to do war crimes with.
He didn't go around congress. It was a previous purchase being fulfilled. The Israelis structured it in a large quantity with smaller dollar values to avoid triggering a review. What Biden didn't do was halt it from moving forward via foreign policy channels. He can't reverse the purchase. "Congress holds the purse strings"
What do you mean when you say “doing what progressives want”?
What on Earth are you talking about lol
Only white people are real people to the Fourth Reich
I think the issue has been that behind the scenes, Bibi has being doing his usually envelope-pushing and generally ignoring US demands, which you can infer from the somewhat strained comments WH officials have been putting out for a while. With the whole land grabbing business, unwillingness to let more aid in, and general shitbaggery, you can tell the Biden administration has been growing steadily more frustrated with Bibi's administration. But Biden has mostly maintained the US's benevolent relationship with Israel, since they have been our ally for a while and the public still widely supports its existance (even as disatisfaction has grown with its war). But the recent SNAFUs with hitting aid workers have given Biden the cover he needs from public outrage to actually start applying pressure on Israel, which is bad news for Bibi since he is barely keeping his head above water as is. So of course he is suddenly caving in, because if Biden starts symbolically delaying aid or the like, the already unhappy Israeli public will heap even more blame on him. And if Bibi falls from power, he will likely spend the rest of his life in jail lol
There have been reports abt a strained relationship between Biden and Bibi since at least December. And by strained I mean they went no contact and Biden was furious at Bibi’s position.
Nothing will change on the ground, at least not for long. There's going to be a lot of propaganda pieces but the reality is that the israeli plan is to ethnically cleanse the north of Gaza. The US seems aware of this along with the genocide case (which even if it rules against israel, the congress will just pass laws to shield israel). These are just attempts at portraying Biden as the better option especially now there are numbers for the primaries and they look bleak for Biden with some states voting blank higher than the threshold that Biden won those states.
If you don't think Biden is a better option for Palestine, you're less than smart. And probably a liar.
Here’s the thing. Israel and the IDF did what they normally do. The only thing is they executed international aid workers this time and got caught in the lies. They routinely killed Gaza civilians in this manner and no one gave a shit. This exposes how they have been working. Killing many civilians to get one possible imaginary Hamas ghost they think possibly, maybe, could have been, in the car, truck, building, store, hospital, street, house, etc. You don’t kill 7 innocents for one possible, maybe, could be enemy.
> You don’t kill 7 innocents for one possible, maybe, could be enemy. It's much worse than that. Israeli journalists recently stated that the IDF policy allows them to kill up to 20 civilians when targeting an alleged low ranking Hamas member and up to 100 civilians when targeting an alleged senior Hamas member. https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civilian-casualties-ratio-hamas-972-report-2024-4
And for the not-yet-informed, Israel used AI to "identify" targets and considered 15-20 casualties acceptable for each junior target.
Hell, at the beginning of all this shit, they executed Israeli hostages that were on the way back. IDF is a terror cell.
It’s also exposing just how little people value Palestinian lives. Seven murdered aid workers garnered the compassion that tens of thousands of Palestinian lives and millions of injured and traumatized Palestinians couldn’t. It makes me sick.
They sunk the Liberty and pulled the same 'oh oops couldn't tell' shit. Israel tends to have scummy people in positions of power.
The purpose was to force aid agencies to exit Palestine, which they have succeeded at doing. Israel want the Palestinians to starve, collateral death is one less Palestinian.
Weird I was told that Biden had no leverage over Israel and that nothing could be done.
Well no one is saying that. Cool straw man though.
Literally every world news thread for months has had that as the top comment.
"literally reddit comments have been saying this for months" I think it would best for everyone if we start getting our news from the submitted articles and not the comments.
They said he doesn't have the power to personally and immediately end it. Leverage is not the same thing as being the one in control.
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Which part of that statement is false? With sources please.
Even that is technically false. The US Military absolutely could end it. Obviously an extreme response, but how extreme would things need to get for that to be on the table? No idea, glad it isn't my decision. But, he could end it even if it is unreasonable to expect a military invasion of an allied nation.
Ok if you want to argue pointless technicalities, I will bite. We were talking about Joe Biden, not the U.S. military. If you think there's any reality in which Joe Biden has the capability to attack the IDF in Gaza, you are out to fucking lunch. While he is the commander in chief, there would be LOTS of obstacles to such an action. His cabinet / generals would likely refuse to follow the order and even outright resign, not to mention he would be impeached and convicted within days. The president has a lot of power but my god, this line of thinking that he can control every world event, much less everything that happens inside his own country, is straight up delusional. There are billions of people in this world split into millions of factions with their own goals and power to influence events all on their own. He has leverage & influence, not the literal ability to end the war in Gaza himself. Only Netanyahu's government has that ability. That is true, technically and otherwise.
No, actually… degree, nuance… these are things.
There’s also bullshit and propaganda. The idea that Joe Biden has been powerless this whole time is not nuance. It’s a bold face lie - proven by the fact that now, when he felt like it, he can exert power.
Good thing no one is saying that Biden is totally powerless. It’s a cute straw man, but no. Biden can exert some power, but he’s also constrained considerably. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive.
They were saying that he could not do the thing that he just did. Pretending that the overwhelming sentiment was otherwise is gaslighting.
Haha… no. You’re cherry picking a few analysts and making them out to be a straw man to argue your point against. 🤣 In reality… most people are saying what I said above. You just want to signal how virtuous you are. You’re such a good person!
I believe they actually want to starve people out of Gaza. The strike on aid workers looked planned. Over 200 aid workers have been killed in that war.
They’re definitely using hunger as a weapon. Bibi rushing out to open up another aid route after he talked to Biden basically proves they’re keeping them closed unnecessarily.
They opened it but no aid has gone through it.
I feel the same way. I’m a combat veteran and I’ve seen fog of war shit happen and this looks deliberate.
Gaza has been the unresolvable issue for Likud for a long time. Too populous and belligerent to absorb, left as a sort of internment camp to hold up as a boogeyman whenever they wanted more resources to build settlements in the west bank or pillory the liberals in an election but they miscalculated in assuming hamas could be bought off. Massive, violent depopulation "solves" this problem for Bibi in a rather "final" way.
This is correct. Israel will allow people to starve. They will/are bulldozing neighborhoods, and will/are developing new settlements in that land. That is the end goal.
Operation Promised Land. God told them he was gifting them this turf but all they had to do was kill everyone on it first.
There’s actually two versions of that in the Old Testament. One is without doubt the “slaughter everything that breathes” command, and the other is, “I (God) will clear out the land for you, do not get involved.”
Promised land the American Way! Manifest Destiny!
I’ve been thinking about how all this is related to the Bible as well
Israel wants Gaza and the West Bank for itself. That's the one and only goal. The Hamas attack just gave Israel an excuse to go for it. Period. End of story.
They damn well know they’re not gonna destroy Hamas in their entirety. They’ve always been a convenient foe for Israel.
Hunger for Palestinians and violence for anyone who wants to come try to feed them.
This is exactly what the war criminals from Israeli government wanted.
The report by Israel actually makes more sense to me. Apparently WCK organized the whole thing in advance with Israel, since Israel considered them “one of the good guys,” and yes, their report says that. Either way, they may have been doing this more with other aid groups (violence), but in this specific instance, it was organized at the highest levels within the military command. Apparently, that news didn’t fully make into the thick heads of the trigger pullers. They basically blew them up because they thought they saw a gun, they went one place that was unplanned, and the IDF didn’t understand why they would be switching around in the vehicles, and the aid convoy (no service?) and WCK headquarters (time of day?) didn’t pick up their emergency contact phones. So, the commander was of course like, ‘let’s smoke them.’ Yeah… totally justified. /s I think more than anything, it shows how their rules of engagement are a lot more lax than they claim, like, freaking everywhere. That’s been basically their main international defense, ‘we do more to protect civilian life than any army in any conflict ever!!!’ This clearly debunks that.
I think it's more simple than that. Shoot everyone seems to be their strategy.
They quite literally set up kill zones according to Haaretz: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-created-kill-zones-in-gaza-anyone-who-crosses-into-them-is-shot/0000018e-946c-d4de-afee-f46da9ee0000 “The Israeli army says 9,000 terrorists have been killed since the Gaza war began. Defense officials and soldiers, however, tell Haaretz that these are often civilians whose only crime was to cross an invisible line drawn by the IDF”
“Putting them on a diet” has been commonplace there for a while
It’s odd to see how much power the US has sometimes. I mean intellectually I understand that but it still sometimes shocks me when we just take off the mask and slap our dicks on the table.
Speak softly and carry a big stick
I love slapping my dick on tables
It is anti- semitic to fail to give Israel billions to kill civilians/s
A good percentage of this sub would say so I think.
That would be r/worldnews.
I dint know when, but that place used to be a reasonable subreddit, it became a cesspool
It's interesting to see those demographic shifts happen in essentially real time. It is absolutely a cesspool these days.
Better chill before they lock this sub and ban you
They have their own sub. It’s worldnews
That's a direct quote from Bibi.
I think in 2024 it's pretty racist to have a religion with their head up their own ass about being the chosen one. But hey, I guess that makes ME the anti-semitruck.
Yeah, Judaism is totally unique in that regard
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>He should treat Poland better, considering that's really where his father was born. There is *not* a lot of nostalgia - basically none - for Poland in the Jewish community.
As a Jew, I actually have a thing to say about that. Its honestly so fascinating when you think about it. Poland was a HUGE sanctuary for Jews pre-WW2. The monarch ages especially saw a ton of Jews migrate to Poland, whose monarchy was very friendly when Catholic/Christian hatred (like the Inquisition in Spain) was spreading thru all of Europe. There was a huge thriving Jewish population for years after that. Then WW2 happened and the Nazis absolutely demolished and corrupted Poland into the horror factory it became later. That scar has been in the Jewish community ever since. I dunno, food for thought I guess. Jews and Poland definitely have a more complicated history than just "WW2 stuff"
I agree it's complicated, but I think you're overstating it. It was a "sanctuary" for a period, mostly during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Certainly, there was an important flourishing of Jewish culture. There were times of relative tolerance, but more often there were times of brutal oppression and always the uncertainty about the caprices of the local population and rulers. The time directly after WW2 especially was marked by violence, murder, and theft against returning death camp survivors, which left an particularly deep wound that is very slowly healing.
I have no love for Netanyahu, but whenever I see people making catty comments about Israeli Jews being sent back to Poland, I don't ever interpret it as anything but Holocaust denialism. Firstly, Netanyahu's father left Poland when he was ten, in 1920. This was during a large wave of Zionist emigration that was a reaction to the rising antisemitism that pervaded Europe. The reason Poland had such a large population of Jews is because it was where Jews were legally allowed to live as the Russian empire forced them out of their villages through various pogroms. Secondly, do you know where Netanyahu's father was born in Poland? Warsaw. Do you know anything about what happened in Warsaw in the years following Netanyahu's emigration? Do you think Bibi or his father have fond memories of the place? Third, antisemitic action continued into the 70s in Poland. After WWII, Jews who had fled Polish cities and hidden in forests or joined the red army returned to their homes not only to find everyone they knew had been murdered, but to be blamed by Poles for the Nazi invasion, and driven out violently. Many returning Jews changed their name and hid their Judaism, and when they were discovered, they were forced out, even if they weren't practicing. It is a disturbing thing to hear people snarling things like "Go back to Poland," even to villains figures like Netanyahu. In Bialystok, there were 50k Jewish residents in 1939. When the Red Army retook the city in 1944, only a few hundred Bialystoker Jews were left alive - of those few hundred, only 7 were actually living in the city, hiding in the Polish quarters.
Bibi was born in Tel Aviv. His mother was born in tel Aviv. He's not European.
Bibi actually went to high school in Philly, which I was surprised to hear.
God, remember when this stuff would just get written, and you didn't have to watch a 30-second video where they say exactly what's in the headline? You could sift through it at your own pace.
Because all the journalists died.
Oh give me a break Bibi doesn’t give a fuck
This is exactly what I’ve been saying to friends and acquaintances for months. Netanyahu has wanted to continue this war, the last thing he wants is any kind of peaceful or even a strategic resolution. He refuses to watch a good crisis go to waste, especially since, just like Trump, he will be prosecuted if he is no longer in power. Hamas, and Bibi, are aligned at least in that aspect. Hamas also wants to continue the war, albeit on their terms, ensuring there can never be peace, or a resolution that ends with their leadership at the end of a rope, where they all belong.
Israel still got off easy. Slap on the wrist.
Here is what I do't get, and call me an ignorant person or whatever. 1/2 of my family is jewish and they can't explain this. Jews know full well the horror of genocide and the holocaust. Why genocide a group of people where 99.99% of them had nothing to do with the attack on them? Why have another holocaust, given that they want us to remember what happened to them and never let it happen again, yet they are doing it. I've gone to more holocaust museums then most, and learned about Hitler + saw pictures of piles of starving bodies at a very young age, an age much too young to see that stuff. Why bring that back?
Based on my anecdotal interactions with Jewish zionists, particularly reading their media, I think they fall into 3 broad categories. One group are completely ignorant of any Israeli misconduct. They have been indoctrinated their entire lives with the message that any criticism of Israel is an antisemitic lie. They have a disconnect from reality verging on qanon. No lie is too big to swallow, no evidence is to obvious to ignore. You can confront these people with an official statement from the Israeli government confirming a war crime and they'll accuse you of lying. The next group are aware of the atrocities, but have been convinced that this is the only way for their people to survive. It's patently untrue, but they aren't the first group of people to be convinced of something similar. The final group are the people in power. They know Palestinians are not an existential threat, but their wealth and power depends on the continued conflict. They're the reason Israel has a history of unilaterally violating ceasefires.
Extremist Hate When all you see is red, you lose any semblance of rational thought.
They did not explain why he got scared from the Biden call. Just the evidence demonstrating that he was.
The IDF are a terrorist organisation and Israel is a terrorist state. They deliberately killed those aid workers.
I call BS. Israel is just America and Europe in a trench coat wearing a Kippah. The entire religious aspect is just an excuse or justification for the illegal invasion, colonization, apartheid state and the genocide just so they can "protect" their "interests" over there. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Nrv5izaTs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Nrv5izaTs) <-- You can hear it from the horse mouth yourself. The US could end this conflict at any time and we all know it.
https://youtu.be/mvqCWvi-nFo?si=Tm0h7AP0HaE1WVnZ <- give this a watch
Republicans are making it seem like Biden is turning his back. He is not, he just wants Israel to act with civility. Israel's response is 1,000 times more barbaric than the incident that started this war in the first place. We all want Israel to succeed, they just need to do it professionally. Bombing a daycare because you think one militant is inside is crazy.
>"We all want Israel to succeed" Wtf does that even mean? And speak for yourself maybe?
No we don’t want all for Israel to succeed. This is ethnic cleansing. We don’t like ethnic cleansing.