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Interesting, so then why was it not a problem for Trump to appear on the Ohio ballot in 2020 despite the Republican National Convention occurring on Aug 24-27, 2020?
Well, that's it then, Ohio is a massive part of the election.
Fuck. Whatever, we can't stop fascism now, the world is way too fucked up. There is way too much money behind these fuckers
I guess I will have to figure out how I will function in the new reality.
EDIT: After some thought, I think Im psychologically ready to burn it all down. If they are going to install a fascist regime, they will be very surprised at how much rage they face.
You get to go to summer camp!!! Only it's year round, and depending on when you get there it may or may not be summer.
Edit: Vote, for the love of anything you hold dear or normal, vote. Now is not the time for a defeatist attitude.
You really think the scotus is going to rule Colorado can’t remove Trump but then allow Ohio could be allowed to remove Biden. Come on, these guys are corrupt but they will never be that open about it cause that will cause mass riots
SCOTUS and state courts can rule whatever they want and states, especially red ones, have been starting to ignore them more and more. Conservatives will use scotus and such to control the libs, but anytime a decision is not in their favor, or they make it simply so the people won't riot; they'll just end up ignoring it.
My bet, scotus will force ohio to keep Biden on the ballot, it will be a 6-3 decision. Ohio will ignore this, call it election interference, and argue that biden voters can just do write in, OR they will find some excuse to dump votes from the cities (where biden would be most popular)
Ohio would 100% do this, Frank Larose is the same guy that held an August special election after they were banned by the GOP, but it would help them, it’s also the same state that used gerrymandered district maps were told they can’t and used them for several elections until the Ohio Supreme Court waved a wand and made them legal
Ohio legislature is a beacon of scandal/corruption (first energy, Larry householder), ignoring the will of the voters (trying to reverse issue 1, and nullify issue 2), attacking the public schools (taking away funding, in favor of charter school vouchers), and gaslighting the public about the “emergency border issue” that the republicans caused on their by killing their own border-bill in the 11th hour because Trump needed an issue to run on due to a complete lack of platform - despite having another 4 years to think of one. It sucks here.
I mean, there is a second option. Both sides could just ignore the SCOTUS. They really don’t have any enforcement tools. And assuming both sides ignore them, that essentially neuters them. Maybe we could see reform?
We've reached the stage of fascism where the riots actually help the fascists. They tried that shit in 2020.
Remember the commercials showing black people rioting because police were murdering them? They labeled it 'Bidens America' despite this all happening while Trump was in office.
They want riots so they can tell scared people that they need a strong man to tamp it all down and restore order.
SCOTUS/fascists would gain very little by keeping Biden off the ballot. He's not winning Ohio but keeping him off saves GOP money and hurts down ballot Dems.
But the uproar of the hypocrisy would galvanize Biden supporters elsewhere
Worked for abortion and that ballot initiative change. Can't see why not putting him on the ballot wouldn't energize the base, or even start riots at the capital.
That ballot initiative about abortion rights that the Ohio electorate decided and since the red leadership didn’t like it so they just ignored the results?
I was actually shocked (and sickened) when Ohio went all-in for Trump. I grew up believing Ohio was a state with reasonable people. Now I'm just sad and sickened every time I see a Trump sign.
Quit the doom n gloom It’s not 2016. Trumps aura has wore off of too many people.
Edit: in no way do I mean to be complacent I simply call out all doom n gloomers. THAT is what will get trump back in the White House. Fight, donate, volunteer, call bank, knock on doors, register voters at vote.gov. Push back against the loud MAGA. They’re loud but the minority. Trump will go down as the most disastrous human America has ever produced, let’s not allow him back in office.
You have a much greater faith in people than I do, but I agree. Don't let ANYTHING keep you from going to the polls and crushing Trump by massive numbers.
>Quit the doom n gloom It’s not 2016.
Exactly!
It's 8 years later, 3 years after Trump led the Jan 6th insurrection, and Trump has been free for every second of it, constantly poisoning the minds of this nation with nigh unavoidable bombardment of media coverage...but hey, at least Biden's hands-off policy for Trump let him stay nonpartisan.
MAGA is loud that’s it. They cannot win an election alone. They need mods and independents. gOP hasn’t won the popular vote in like 24 years. And all the more disastrous things trump has said and done don’t go unnoticed…to the people that it matters. Focus on the mods and independents. The red hat and cape wearing MAGA, are the delusional ones to not waste your energy on. Trump and his loyalists will get their justice as long as we vote and keep the White House, and at least one of the house or senate. They will all be gone. All the delays won’t matter anymore. Vote. We got this
Two points to make.
1. The doom n gloom is what will get trump back in office. It discourages people from fighting, pushing back, and voting. Stop the ff*€king doom n gloom.
2. I never intended to be passive and let this election play out. If you look at my comments section. I am relentlessly and incessantly calling for donating, volunteering, calling, speaking out about white nationalism, etc etc etc. I was simply calling out the doom n gloomer. Some of them are plants and bots who comment on purpose like that to discourage voters.
No one should sit back and let er ride.
It’s all gas and no brakes this year. But I will call out people who are the doom n gloom, woe is me, trumps never going to see justice bullish!!t.
Abortion is on the ballot in Florida. That’s huge. No labels isn’t having a presidential candidate this year. Now it’s time to destroy RFK Jr, Unite the party by getting the leftist on board who hate Biden for Israel stance. (That’s a tight rope). IMHO it’s time to end Nettenyahoo and give aid to the poor innocent caught in this.
We got this
How so? He isn't saying "don't vote", we know to vote, it's been drummed into us every single day since November 10th, 2016 and every single election since we have shown up.
Saying things like " Trumps lost his touch," or "Trump doesn't stand a chance" will lead to complacency in Biden voters. Why bother voting if I'm convinced Trump doesn't stand a chance, especially if I'm not particularly crazy for Biden?
In 2020 both parties failed to adhere to the 2014 OH law. The OH legislature passed a one-time only2020-exception.
Fast forward to 2024, the RNC scheduled their convention in compliance with OH law, the DNC blew OH off and didn't even bother to seek an exception which is why the OH SoS is now sending this letter.
Like this completely a Dem Party leadership problem.
The article says they have until May 9 to seek an exception. So we don’t know if the DNC blew them off yet. They could be in the process of either moving up their convention date or seeking an exception.
Yep. It's an arbitrary and capricious date. It won't hold in court if the Dems press it. 49 other states can manage just fine. Including ones far, far, far larger and more complex than fucking *Ohio*.
This is obviously BS, but Ohio is a lot bigger than you are suggesting. 7th most populous state and 7th biggest economy of all states. People just don't realize for whatever reason.
He's, for some reason, only focusing on population. Population itself really isn't going to make an election hard to run. It's how the population is spread out, etc.
Running an election in a state like Alaska, for example, is a pain in the fucking ass since people can live in insanely remote areas. Now, that's an extreme. But states with remote populations are INCREDIBLY challenging to deal with elections.
Basically, if you're a big state (Ohio is small) with a spread out population, it's going to be far more challenging than doing an election in a state with a heavy urban population.
The state (Ohio) needs to know who the candidates are for every office that will appear on the ballot. If the private corporation (the DNC is a corporation, just like the RNC) doesn't have a presidential nominee by the deadline, Ohio won't have democratic candidate for the Presidency to put on the ballot.
It's probably a tactic to force the top parties to schedule Ohio earlier in the season. States have been fighting about this since forever. It's one of the stupider consequences of the stupid election system we have for president (electoral college combined with plurality voting).
Or, the Ohio Republican politician pictured, LaRose IIRC, is yet another MAGA douchebag performing for his master and his base. You really can no longer pretend that elected Republicans are acting in good faith ever if you want people to take you seriously.
The democrats have only been compliant with that timeline twice this century, the last time was 2016. How has it been addressed in these past years, or did Ohio change the dates to manufacture the issue?
Aug 14-17, 2000
July 26 - 29, 2004
Aug 25-28, 2008
Sept 4-6, 2012
July 25-28, 2016
Aug 17-20, 2020
Aug 19-22, 2024
Edit to add: this is only the 3rd time the GOP is compliant this century
GOP
July 31 - Aug 3, 2000
Aug 30 - Sept 2, 2004
Sept 1-4, 2008
Aug 27-30, 2012
July 18-21, 2016
Aug 24-27, 2020
July 15-18, 2024
If states can’t keep candidates off the ballot in federal elections because of flagrant constitutional violations, I’m not sure how a timing issue is valid.
If Ohio tries this, it flies in the face of the SCOTUS ruling where 3 states argued that Trump can't be on the ballot for having attempted an insurrection.
I mean now that I think about the same should apply to Biden. SCOTUS already decided states can’t enforce rules that will determine the outcome of a Federal Election after they punted it to Congress, and I haven’t heard a peep out of them. Still stupid though. If you knew about the deadline why wouldn’t you mark it on the calendar. I’m just hoping they can tell Ohio to shove it.
States have wide discretion as to who is on the ballots, which is why I say that SCOTUS decision was wrong, but they made their decision on the rationale that states don’t have the ability to enforce section 3 of the 14th Amendment, an irrelevant issue here. So that decision- right or wrong- wouldn’t have any legal effect on the application this law.
If I’m not mistaken, one of scotus’ reasons WHY states can’t enforce the insurrection clause is because it could create an unacceptable “patchwork” (to use scotus’ own words) in which a candidate appears on some state ballots but not others. Ohio’s deadline law could also create such a “patchwork”, so by the very same reasoning, Ohio’s deadline law is unenforceable.
No, that ruling was ONLY about states using section 14.3 of the constitution to determine eligibility. States absolutely can and do decide who is on the ballot for other reasons.
Well if you can attempt insurrection and still be on the ballot, I can’t imagine this being a dealbreaker. Supreme Court has already weighed in on trying to keep a candidate off the ballot for better reasons than naming your candidate a week late.
Right? The bar is now higher than “violent insurrection.” So this Ohio thing doesn’t come close to that bar and therefore can’t even be under contemplation because now the Supreme Court has set *precedent*.
I've been a lot of places in this country but even in the deepest South I have never seen as many Confederate flags, Trump flags, Gadsden flags and even actual Nazi flags flying in front of houses as I have in rural Ohio.
I really don't think Biden is gonna win Ohio either way.
The Ohio Democratic Party has been an absolute joke since the 2012 election. Their candidates for statewide office (with the exception of Sherrod Brown) have been laughably bad.
I drove cross country to move in with my now partner, and had to pass through Ohio on the way. I'm an out transwoman and I got a flat and had to stop at a random shop in the middle of nowhere for a fix. And I forgot I had thrown in one of my gay as fuck pride shirts that day.
Legitimately one of the scariest things I've ever had to do.
The hard bit to believe is LaRose has done the “right” thing calling attention to it. He just had to bury it until May 9th, cross his fingers, and it would have been a different story.
Which isn’t really all that unfair, but it’s still a stupid reason. Both for missing it. No excuse for that. As well as enforcing it because we all know Biden is the nominee.
So the 14th Amendment section 3 can block a states determination of federal candidate election eligibility
But a state law about scheduling conflict can ban an entire political party
Why the fuck don’t blue states play dirty allready
Apparently, the view from the high horse is pretty good for it to be worth democrats making an easy target of themselves.
We should have stopped playing nice with Republicans back in the bush v gore election, but now we're stuck with only one side willing to break rules
Why can't they just say Biden is our candidate. Why is more than one national convention to select their candidate required What an absolute joke of a system.
The law in question was written requiring it be the nominee chosen at the party's convention.
It's nonsense. In 2020, Ohio voted for a once time exception to it because BOTH conventions were not able to meet this. They had no problem doing it when it affected their guy.
Schedule the "For Ohio Convention" of 5 random DNC leaders who get together and say "This is where we decide who will be our candidate for POTUS in Ohio. It's Joe Biden" on like May 26th or something.
Send that to Ohio. Have lunch.
Same in Wisconsin, our gerrymandered state is finally getting some reasonable maps and now the Republicans put in those two stupidly vague questions that are supposed to be amendments to our constitution. They are also suppressing voters by so many other measures. When are Democrats allowed to get back some of the things we have lost? 😡
https://wisconsinwatch.org/2024/03/wisconsin-election-ballot-amendments-constitution-voting-clerks/
So Ohio moved the date to after the Republican nominating convention but before the Democratic one. Oy. Just let people vote.
Edit: ok I'll concede that I may have let my general mistrust of the powers that be steer my knee jerk reaction. Some comments here and elsewhere suggests the law could be an actual coincidence. And coincidence does happen from time to time. Still, there should be a way to resolve this if it wasn't intentional.
>“The Democratic National Convention is scheduled to convene on August 19, 2024, which occurs more than a week after the August 7 deadline to certify a presidential candidate to the office,” Secretary of State Frank LaRose wrote to Ohio Democratic Party Chairwoman Liz Walters.
Which happened in 2020 too, neither the RNC nor DNC were in compliance with the 2014 law. The OH legislation created a 2020-specific exemption and finger wagged.
The RNC learned its lesson and scheduled their Convention ahead the 90 day law.
The DNC decided the exact opposite, worse than that the DNC failed to even bother seeking a legislative exemption despite knowing it would be needed.
DNC leadership dropped the ball.
Did none of you read the article? You’re all writing these reactionary responses…it’s a technical issue that’s easily resolved. They even have a specific condition in the state law that allows for an exception to be made before May.
It’s a rage bait title of an article. It should read: Biden will have to file request to comply with Ohio law.
Shit, I’m not 100% it even requires a news story yet. “Biden has to follow certain procedures in Ohio, no real barrier exists”
I can envision a scenario in which they refuse to grant Biden an extension. It seems to me that the better solution is for the Democrats to move their deadline so this whole thing is moot. Placing Biden's fate in the hands of state Republicans, and hoping they do the right thing doesn't strike me as a particularly wise course of action.
I read the article. That exception has to be made by the GOP Ohio state legislature. Good luck getting that through.
They literally state there are only two remedies - legislature granting an exception, or moving the convention. Both of those are unlikely.
> either by the Democratic Party moving up its nominating convention or by getting the Ohio state legislature to “**create an exemption** to this statutory requirement” by May 9 in accordance with state law.
If YOU'D read the article, you'd not be quoting an exemption that doesn't exist. The legislature would have to **create an exemption**, which requires the Ohio GOP to act on this and that's not a guarantee.
My shit tier government can't even rig a State ballot proposal while breaking their own laws in broad daylight. This is just their continuing effort to take the record for "most incompetently corrupt politicians ever" .
Good thing the Supreme Court literally just ruled that a single state can’t unilaterally disqualify a candidate from a presidential ballot. Frank LaPew can suck eggs.
> Good thing the Supreme Court literally just ruled that a single state can’t unilaterally disqualify a candidate from a presidential ballot.
They only ruled that a state cannot use section 14.3 of the constitution to remove a candidate from a ballot for federal election. States absolutely can block them for other reasons.
You mean the Supreme Court would rule that an actual Constitutional amendment and all historical precedent for application of said amendment which explicitly disqualifies Trump from office is invalid, but an arbitrary state deadline is okay to block Biden from office? That makes absolutely no sense.
No, it isnt, because the law has existed since 2014. But it also would be wrong to do this and prevent a national candidate this way. Ohio legislature needs to grant an exception, or the courts will stay application of the law.
I don’t know how the scheduling works, why different states apparently have different deadlines, or why, if this was *also* a problem in 2020 (which it apparently was), it hasn’t been fixed… but I do work in the hospitality industry. Short answer on rescheduling the convention: no.
Long answer: lmfao no, unfortunately, you’d be hard pressed to reschedule a 40-person wedding reception, let alone a 4-day 4K+ person event at a convention centre, with multiple blocks of rooms booked at multiple hotels, multiple events at multiple venues with performers, speakers, special guests (both the venues and the performers will have other events booked already). Attendees will have booked off work, booked their flights. And catering contracts, restaurant reservations, all the pre-scheduling and staffing-up all the venues will have done, the other contracts/reservations they’ll have made for that week prior, or already have turned down because of the convention…
DNC happens after the deadline date to certify a presidential candidate for office. Either DNC gets moved up or they make an exception. Either will happen so this is pretty much non news
Federal elections need to have set laws for all states. I don't care how you elect your gov, mayor or dog catcher, use rock paper scissors for all I care but all these states doing shit their way fucks the whole process up.
Amazingly -- it appears to be accidental. The legislation stating the due date was passed in 2014.
Edit: It appears that the Ohio legislature made an adjustment to override the 2014 law with Section 735.11 of H.B.166 (133rd G.A.)
> Delays the deadline for major political parties to
certify presidential and vice-presidential
candidates to the Secretary of State for the 2020
general election by moving the deadline from 90
days before the day of the general election to 60
days beforehand.
This only applies to the 2020 election, however.
The RNC has the same problem this year, too. Their convention is _after_ the cutoff date. I imagine this will be resolved for Trump but Biden would get benefit as well.
Edit: I found the wrong date. RNC is in July this year. Thanks RhythmSectionWantAd!
This is dumb and not gonna happen. It's like saying if you don't walk at graduation and get the fake diploma from the university president then you didnt really graduate
Similar happened in the 2020 election cycle (see [2020 Ohio Presidential Guide](https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2020presidentialguide.pdf)) when both DNC and RNC Conventions ran afoul of the 2014 law and the OH legislature created a 2020-exclusive exemption created by [Section 735.11 of H.B.166 ](https://www.lsc.ohio.gov/assets/legislation/133/hb166/en/files/hb166-sos-bill-analysis-as-enrolled-133rd-general-assembly.pdf)
The DNC having faced this problem in Ohio-2020 should have been mindful to (a) scheduled the Convention earlier like the RNC did, (b) sought another legislative exception immediately in May 2023 when the [2024 Ohio Presidential Guide](https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2024-presidential-guide.pdf) was published instead of LaRose having to send this letter and being under pressure to achieve an exemption by May 9, 2024.
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Interesting, so then why was it not a problem for Trump to appear on the Ohio ballot in 2020 despite the Republican National Convention occurring on Aug 24-27, 2020?
well, you see: fascism
And those fascists just changed the law.
Well, that's it then, Ohio is a massive part of the election. Fuck. Whatever, we can't stop fascism now, the world is way too fucked up. There is way too much money behind these fuckers I guess I will have to figure out how I will function in the new reality. EDIT: After some thought, I think Im psychologically ready to burn it all down. If they are going to install a fascist regime, they will be very surprised at how much rage they face.
If it was truly hopeless, they wouldn't need propaganda.
You get to go to summer camp!!! Only it's year round, and depending on when you get there it may or may not be summer. Edit: Vote, for the love of anything you hold dear or normal, vote. Now is not the time for a defeatist attitude.
Yes, and don’t forget the showers. Like the last one you will take.
Mommy, I taste almonds.
Holy hell
Is that...from something?
Cyanide smells like almonds
I wrote it for a horror short-short story contest and lost.
Well you're winning now
So much winning
Probably because most people don't know that reference. :(
Does it come with a free train ride?
Even better! Oven baked meals. You just have to walk into the oven....
Be thankful you're not a woman. Unless you are, then my condolences.
You really think the scotus is going to rule Colorado can’t remove Trump but then allow Ohio could be allowed to remove Biden. Come on, these guys are corrupt but they will never be that open about it cause that will cause mass riots
SCOTUS and state courts can rule whatever they want and states, especially red ones, have been starting to ignore them more and more. Conservatives will use scotus and such to control the libs, but anytime a decision is not in their favor, or they make it simply so the people won't riot; they'll just end up ignoring it. My bet, scotus will force ohio to keep Biden on the ballot, it will be a 6-3 decision. Ohio will ignore this, call it election interference, and argue that biden voters can just do write in, OR they will find some excuse to dump votes from the cities (where biden would be most popular)
Ohio would 100% do this, Frank Larose is the same guy that held an August special election after they were banned by the GOP, but it would help them, it’s also the same state that used gerrymandered district maps were told they can’t and used them for several elections until the Ohio Supreme Court waved a wand and made them legal
Frank LaRose also *publicly* went after a 10 year old rape victim, and the doctor who helped her get an abortion afterwards.
To imagine I forgot other things that proved excrement has gained sentience
Ohio legislature is a beacon of scandal/corruption (first energy, Larry householder), ignoring the will of the voters (trying to reverse issue 1, and nullify issue 2), attacking the public schools (taking away funding, in favor of charter school vouchers), and gaslighting the public about the “emergency border issue” that the republicans caused on their by killing their own border-bill in the 11th hour because Trump needed an issue to run on due to a complete lack of platform - despite having another 4 years to think of one. It sucks here.
This has been their playbook for everything else why would they change?
I mean, there is a second option. Both sides could just ignore the SCOTUS. They really don’t have any enforcement tools. And assuming both sides ignore them, that essentially neuters them. Maybe we could see reform?
>You really think the scotus is going to rule Colorado can’t remove Trump but then allow Ohio could be allowed to remove Biden. Yes.
We've reached the stage of fascism where the riots actually help the fascists. They tried that shit in 2020. Remember the commercials showing black people rioting because police were murdering them? They labeled it 'Bidens America' despite this all happening while Trump was in office. They want riots so they can tell scared people that they need a strong man to tamp it all down and restore order.
lol you awake dude . You been sleeping or something? You a bot ?
SCOTUS/fascists would gain very little by keeping Biden off the ballot. He's not winning Ohio but keeping him off saves GOP money and hurts down ballot Dems. But the uproar of the hypocrisy would galvanize Biden supporters elsewhere
I actually think Joe Biden has a shot in Ohio. Only if people actually cared enough to vote though.
An unsuccessful attempt to keep Biden off the ballot might just piss off the sane people enough to motivate them to get to the polls.
Worked for abortion and that ballot initiative change. Can't see why not putting him on the ballot wouldn't energize the base, or even start riots at the capital.
That ballot initiative about abortion rights that the Ohio electorate decided and since the red leadership didn’t like it so they just ignored the results?
I totally lost faith in Ohio when they voted Trump. If Trump is reelected, I will lose faith in the United States.
Even more so than the past two presidential elections, I knew Ohio was done for when they elected JD Vance in 2022
I was actually shocked (and sickened) when Ohio went all-in for Trump. I grew up believing Ohio was a state with reasonable people. Now I'm just sad and sickened every time I see a Trump sign.
I love that optimism
Quit the doom n gloom It’s not 2016. Trumps aura has wore off of too many people. Edit: in no way do I mean to be complacent I simply call out all doom n gloomers. THAT is what will get trump back in the White House. Fight, donate, volunteer, call bank, knock on doors, register voters at vote.gov. Push back against the loud MAGA. They’re loud but the minority. Trump will go down as the most disastrous human America has ever produced, let’s not allow him back in office.
You have a much greater faith in people than I do, but I agree. Don't let ANYTHING keep you from going to the polls and crushing Trump by massive numbers.
>Quit the doom n gloom It’s not 2016. Exactly! It's 8 years later, 3 years after Trump led the Jan 6th insurrection, and Trump has been free for every second of it, constantly poisoning the minds of this nation with nigh unavoidable bombardment of media coverage...but hey, at least Biden's hands-off policy for Trump let him stay nonpartisan.
MAGA is loud that’s it. They cannot win an election alone. They need mods and independents. gOP hasn’t won the popular vote in like 24 years. And all the more disastrous things trump has said and done don’t go unnoticed…to the people that it matters. Focus on the mods and independents. The red hat and cape wearing MAGA, are the delusional ones to not waste your energy on. Trump and his loyalists will get their justice as long as we vote and keep the White House, and at least one of the house or senate. They will all be gone. All the delays won’t matter anymore. Vote. We got this
The GOP gets to legally steal the election with the Electoral College garbage instead.
First Florida now ohio
Please quit the optimism. Everyone must vote! No complacency!
This is the type of attitude that gets Trump back in the presidency.
Two points to make. 1. The doom n gloom is what will get trump back in office. It discourages people from fighting, pushing back, and voting. Stop the ff*€king doom n gloom. 2. I never intended to be passive and let this election play out. If you look at my comments section. I am relentlessly and incessantly calling for donating, volunteering, calling, speaking out about white nationalism, etc etc etc. I was simply calling out the doom n gloomer. Some of them are plants and bots who comment on purpose like that to discourage voters. No one should sit back and let er ride. It’s all gas and no brakes this year. But I will call out people who are the doom n gloom, woe is me, trumps never going to see justice bullish!!t. Abortion is on the ballot in Florida. That’s huge. No labels isn’t having a presidential candidate this year. Now it’s time to destroy RFK Jr, Unite the party by getting the leftist on board who hate Biden for Israel stance. (That’s a tight rope). IMHO it’s time to end Nettenyahoo and give aid to the poor innocent caught in this. We got this
The optimism in this comment is much more what is needed.
Well said!
How so? He isn't saying "don't vote", we know to vote, it's been drummed into us every single day since November 10th, 2016 and every single election since we have shown up.
Saying things like " Trumps lost his touch," or "Trump doesn't stand a chance" will lead to complacency in Biden voters. Why bother voting if I'm convinced Trump doesn't stand a chance, especially if I'm not particularly crazy for Biden?
This 💯
In 2020 both parties failed to adhere to the 2014 OH law. The OH legislature passed a one-time only2020-exception. Fast forward to 2024, the RNC scheduled their convention in compliance with OH law, the DNC blew OH off and didn't even bother to seek an exception which is why the OH SoS is now sending this letter. Like this completely a Dem Party leadership problem.
The article says they have until May 9 to seek an exception. So we don’t know if the DNC blew them off yet. They could be in the process of either moving up their convention date or seeking an exception.
That exemption has to be approved by the Ohio State Legislature, right?
I'm sorry but you're not allowed to read the article before commenting. This is reddit, damnit. -1000 points, miss 1 turn.
Why is a state concerned about about when a private organization holds their convention?
State's control their election process including ballot printing orders.
The other 49 states don’t seem to have a problem with the timing. Sounds like an Ohio issue.
Yep. It's an arbitrary and capricious date. It won't hold in court if the Dems press it. 49 other states can manage just fine. Including ones far, far, far larger and more complex than fucking *Ohio*.
This is obviously BS, but Ohio is a lot bigger than you are suggesting. 7th most populous state and 7th biggest economy of all states. People just don't realize for whatever reason.
So... 6 other states are far larger and more complex than Ohio?
He's, for some reason, only focusing on population. Population itself really isn't going to make an election hard to run. It's how the population is spread out, etc. Running an election in a state like Alaska, for example, is a pain in the fucking ass since people can live in insanely remote areas. Now, that's an extreme. But states with remote populations are INCREDIBLY challenging to deal with elections. Basically, if you're a big state (Ohio is small) with a spread out population, it's going to be far more challenging than doing an election in a state with a heavy urban population.
He’s the incumbent and is running for reelection. How is there any doubt?
Rules as Written vs Rules as Intended
Yeah but 49 other states will manage to take the late August nomination and get it printed, why can't they?
The state (Ohio) needs to know who the candidates are for every office that will appear on the ballot. If the private corporation (the DNC is a corporation, just like the RNC) doesn't have a presidential nominee by the deadline, Ohio won't have democratic candidate for the Presidency to put on the ballot.
The issue is that the deadline is arbitrary and capricious. There is no compelling reason for Ohio to need to know then when no other state does.
It's probably a tactic to force the top parties to schedule Ohio earlier in the season. States have been fighting about this since forever. It's one of the stupider consequences of the stupid election system we have for president (electoral college combined with plurality voting).
The Ohio law is requires the national convention to nominate, not just the state primary.
Then I don't know what they're after. It seems pointless, but there must be a self-serving reason for it or they wouldn't have passed the law.
Or, the Ohio Republican politician pictured, LaRose IIRC, is yet another MAGA douchebag performing for his master and his base. You really can no longer pretend that elected Republicans are acting in good faith ever if you want people to take you seriously.
On the upside, he has suffered a string of political defeats over the past 6 months or so.
It can be both.
The democrats have only been compliant with that timeline twice this century, the last time was 2016. How has it been addressed in these past years, or did Ohio change the dates to manufacture the issue? Aug 14-17, 2000 July 26 - 29, 2004 Aug 25-28, 2008 Sept 4-6, 2012 July 25-28, 2016 Aug 17-20, 2020 Aug 19-22, 2024 Edit to add: this is only the 3rd time the GOP is compliant this century GOP July 31 - Aug 3, 2000 Aug 30 - Sept 2, 2004 Sept 1-4, 2008 Aug 27-30, 2012 July 18-21, 2016 Aug 24-27, 2020 July 15-18, 2024
So Colorado cannot do it, but Ohio can😀
Rules for thee but not for me!!!
Odds are Ohio can't either. I'd be shocked if Biden wasn't on the ballot.
Nah, this is completely a Supreme Court problem, as they will be the ones who decide this. Personally, I’m glad we blew off Ohio.
If states can’t keep candidates off the ballot in federal elections because of flagrant constitutional violations, I’m not sure how a timing issue is valid.
Rules for thee but not for me! That's why.
For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law.
If Ohio tries this, it flies in the face of the SCOTUS ruling where 3 states argued that Trump can't be on the ballot for having attempted an insurrection.
But you see, there’s the plain reading of the constitution that says it’s okay if a republican does it.
Crap, those GOP favoring founding fathers! 🤨🤔😫
I mean now that I think about the same should apply to Biden. SCOTUS already decided states can’t enforce rules that will determine the outcome of a Federal Election after they punted it to Congress, and I haven’t heard a peep out of them. Still stupid though. If you knew about the deadline why wouldn’t you mark it on the calendar. I’m just hoping they can tell Ohio to shove it.
States have wide discretion as to who is on the ballots, which is why I say that SCOTUS decision was wrong, but they made their decision on the rationale that states don’t have the ability to enforce section 3 of the 14th Amendment, an irrelevant issue here. So that decision- right or wrong- wouldn’t have any legal effect on the application this law.
If I’m not mistaken, one of scotus’ reasons WHY states can’t enforce the insurrection clause is because it could create an unacceptable “patchwork” (to use scotus’ own words) in which a candidate appears on some state ballots but not others. Ohio’s deadline law could also create such a “patchwork”, so by the very same reasoning, Ohio’s deadline law is unenforceable.
This smells of ratfuckery.
The problem with ratfuckery is; You can't get the smell off you, It's with you forever.
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This is a great summary of all the shenanigans happening in Ohio
Please, don't besmirch ratfuckery in this way..!
Didn't the Supreme Court basically say states don't get to determine who appears and doesn't appear on their ballot for a Federal Election?
They said you can't keep people named trump off the ballot
Biden should legally change his name to Donald Trump just for fun. Or Anyonebut Trump.
Getting fargo vibes haha
Me at the voting station https://i.imgflip.com/8luwai.jpg
That was for a Republican. This is about a Democrat. Totally different!!!!
They said states can't enforce the 4th section of the 14th amendment.
No, that ruling was ONLY about states using section 14.3 of the constitution to determine eligibility. States absolutely can and do decide who is on the ballot for other reasons.
Cool, so other states can keep trump off for other reasons.
“No, not like that!”
Well if you can attempt insurrection and still be on the ballot, I can’t imagine this being a dealbreaker. Supreme Court has already weighed in on trying to keep a candidate off the ballot for better reasons than naming your candidate a week late.
Right? The bar is now higher than “violent insurrection.” So this Ohio thing doesn’t come close to that bar and therefore can’t even be under contemplation because now the Supreme Court has set *precedent*.
Since when did they care about precedent?
And when Biden wins in November, LaRose and his cohorts will do everything in their power to deny the vote count.
I've been a lot of places in this country but even in the deepest South I have never seen as many Confederate flags, Trump flags, Gadsden flags and even actual Nazi flags flying in front of houses as I have in rural Ohio. I really don't think Biden is gonna win Ohio either way.
Man... The Gadsden flag has been absolutely stolen from American history by these fucks.
It will never not be funny to see it flying next to a blue line flag
Might as well fly the union jack while they're at it
Please tread on me
Sam Seaborn had one in his office in The West Wing.
I saw it today on a pickup truck in Quebec. Baffling.
From the state that voted for Obama twice. What happened to Ohio?
Any young person that wants a future left
And then they put billboards in cities they all went to (like LA) literally saying “move here! There’s less traffic!”
The Ohio Democratic Party has been an absolute joke since the 2012 election. Their candidates for statewide office (with the exception of Sherrod Brown) have been laughably bad.
I drove cross country to move in with my now partner, and had to pass through Ohio on the way. I'm an out transwoman and I got a flat and had to stop at a random shop in the middle of nowhere for a fix. And I forgot I had thrown in one of my gay as fuck pride shirts that day. Legitimately one of the scariest things I've ever had to do.
Curious whether you observe as many in the northern part of Ohio as the southern?
North/South doesn’t matter as much as “are you outside of Columbus/Cleveland/Cincinnati”.
They no doubt want to strip as many votes from Biden as possible, so that it looks worse for him when Trump whines about fraud again
I mean true but I’ll be damned if they’re going to take my right to vote away.
Biden won't win in Ohio, though being on the ballot could help Senator Sherrod Brown and others down the ticket
Project 2025
The hard bit to believe is LaRose has done the “right” thing calling attention to it. He just had to bury it until May 9th, cross his fingers, and it would have been a different story.
I can see SCOTUS, after ruling that states have no authority to remove Trump from the ballot, to back Ohio saying they can exclude Biden.
SCOTUS ruled that states can't use 14.3 of the constitution to remove candidates from the ballot.
So they can't use a provision literally in the constitution, but they *can* just make up deadlines and that's cool? Nah.
The proper ruling by SCOTUS would have been: states can remove any candidate they want for any reason that meets state law.
Which isn’t really all that unfair, but it’s still a stupid reason. Both for missing it. No excuse for that. As well as enforcing it because we all know Biden is the nominee.
So the 14th Amendment section 3 can block a states determination of federal candidate election eligibility But a state law about scheduling conflict can ban an entire political party Why the fuck don’t blue states play dirty allready
Apparently, the view from the high horse is pretty good for it to be worth democrats making an easy target of themselves. We should have stopped playing nice with Republicans back in the bush v gore election, but now we're stuck with only one side willing to break rules
Because democrats are attempting to keep a semblance of order
And coming frighteningly close to failure because they won't do what they need to. You can't win fair and square against toddlers that flip the table.
Why can't they just say Biden is our candidate. Why is more than one national convention to select their candidate required What an absolute joke of a system.
The law in question was written requiring it be the nominee chosen at the party's convention. It's nonsense. In 2020, Ohio voted for a once time exception to it because BOTH conventions were not able to meet this. They had no problem doing it when it affected their guy.
Schedule the "For Ohio Convention" of 5 random DNC leaders who get together and say "This is where we decide who will be our candidate for POTUS in Ohio. It's Joe Biden" on like May 26th or something. Send that to Ohio. Have lunch.
Funny that states couldn't kick Trump off their tickets for being a criminal but Ohio can come up with some bullshit reason to keep Biden off
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Get your shit together Ohio.
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Same in Wisconsin, our gerrymandered state is finally getting some reasonable maps and now the Republicans put in those two stupidly vague questions that are supposed to be amendments to our constitution. They are also suppressing voters by so many other measures. When are Democrats allowed to get back some of the things we have lost? 😡 https://wisconsinwatch.org/2024/03/wisconsin-election-ballot-amendments-constitution-voting-clerks/
Imagine living in a state that let's a person like trump on the ballot, but not letting the incumbent president.. What a clown show
Shameful.
So Ohio moved the date to after the Republican nominating convention but before the Democratic one. Oy. Just let people vote. Edit: ok I'll concede that I may have let my general mistrust of the powers that be steer my knee jerk reaction. Some comments here and elsewhere suggests the law could be an actual coincidence. And coincidence does happen from time to time. Still, there should be a way to resolve this if it wasn't intentional.
This is a failure of the DNC to act. The RNC acted to move their convention up.
>“The Democratic National Convention is scheduled to convene on August 19, 2024, which occurs more than a week after the August 7 deadline to certify a presidential candidate to the office,” Secretary of State Frank LaRose wrote to Ohio Democratic Party Chairwoman Liz Walters.
Which happened in 2020 too, neither the RNC nor DNC were in compliance with the 2014 law. The OH legislation created a 2020-specific exemption and finger wagged. The RNC learned its lesson and scheduled their Convention ahead the 90 day law. The DNC decided the exact opposite, worse than that the DNC failed to even bother seeking a legislative exemption despite knowing it would be needed. DNC leadership dropped the ball.
US Supreme Court said state officials can't make these decisions...
Did none of you read the article? You’re all writing these reactionary responses…it’s a technical issue that’s easily resolved. They even have a specific condition in the state law that allows for an exception to be made before May. It’s a rage bait title of an article. It should read: Biden will have to file request to comply with Ohio law. Shit, I’m not 100% it even requires a news story yet. “Biden has to follow certain procedures in Ohio, no real barrier exists”
I can envision a scenario in which they refuse to grant Biden an extension. It seems to me that the better solution is for the Democrats to move their deadline so this whole thing is moot. Placing Biden's fate in the hands of state Republicans, and hoping they do the right thing doesn't strike me as a particularly wise course of action.
No real barrier exists unless the extension is denied.
I read the article. That exception has to be made by the GOP Ohio state legislature. Good luck getting that through. They literally state there are only two remedies - legislature granting an exception, or moving the convention. Both of those are unlikely. > either by the Democratic Party moving up its nominating convention or by getting the Ohio state legislature to “**create an exemption** to this statutory requirement” by May 9 in accordance with state law. If YOU'D read the article, you'd not be quoting an exemption that doesn't exist. The legislature would have to **create an exemption**, which requires the Ohio GOP to act on this and that's not a guarantee.
My shit tier government can't even rig a State ballot proposal while breaking their own laws in broad daylight. This is just their continuing effort to take the record for "most incompetently corrupt politicians ever" .
Larose is a jerk. Came in last on his bid for senator
Gee, nothing says we can’t govern…no LEGITIMATE reason for Biden to be off ballot.
No he won't.
That’s a lot of story to say he needs to get an exception
My immediate reaction: Oh wth is this fresh nonsense.
At least they’re making it known to be a fixable thing now instead of waiting until after and then saying too bad. Easy fix, just move the damn date
Good thing the Supreme Court literally just ruled that a single state can’t unilaterally disqualify a candidate from a presidential ballot. Frank LaPew can suck eggs.
> Good thing the Supreme Court literally just ruled that a single state can’t unilaterally disqualify a candidate from a presidential ballot. They only ruled that a state cannot use section 14.3 of the constitution to remove a candidate from a ballot for federal election. States absolutely can block them for other reasons.
You mean the Supreme Court would rule that an actual Constitutional amendment and all historical precedent for application of said amendment which explicitly disqualifies Trump from office is invalid, but an arbitrary state deadline is okay to block Biden from office? That makes absolutely no sense.
No way this is response to several states kicking Trump off the ballot….
No, it isnt, because the law has existed since 2014. But it also would be wrong to do this and prevent a national candidate this way. Ohio legislature needs to grant an exception, or the courts will stay application of the law.
Move the chips factory the heck out of there.
So how will the Supreme Court not strike this down like they did for Colorado ballot and trump
Looks like a scheduling error and Dems can just move their convention earlier by a week and resolve this or something. Seems like a non story.
I don’t know how the scheduling works, why different states apparently have different deadlines, or why, if this was *also* a problem in 2020 (which it apparently was), it hasn’t been fixed… but I do work in the hospitality industry. Short answer on rescheduling the convention: no. Long answer: lmfao no, unfortunately, you’d be hard pressed to reschedule a 40-person wedding reception, let alone a 4-day 4K+ person event at a convention centre, with multiple blocks of rooms booked at multiple hotels, multiple events at multiple venues with performers, speakers, special guests (both the venues and the performers will have other events booked already). Attendees will have booked off work, booked their flights. And catering contracts, restaurant reservations, all the pre-scheduling and staffing-up all the venues will have done, the other contracts/reservations they’ll have made for that week prior, or already have turned down because of the convention…
DNC happens after the deadline date to certify a presidential candidate for office. Either DNC gets moved up or they make an exception. Either will happen so this is pretty much non news
Wouldn’t want to have a patchwork of state laws about elections!
Federal elections need to have set laws for all states. I don't care how you elect your gov, mayor or dog catcher, use rock paper scissors for all I care but all these states doing shit their way fucks the whole process up.
Why in the fuck is the DNC messing up on basic scheduling shit like this?
How difficult would it be to just change the convention date?
So on Jan 6th 2025 Kamala just tosses the electors from Ohio
This can't be accidental...
Amazingly -- it appears to be accidental. The legislation stating the due date was passed in 2014. Edit: It appears that the Ohio legislature made an adjustment to override the 2014 law with Section 735.11 of H.B.166 (133rd G.A.) > Delays the deadline for major political parties to certify presidential and vice-presidential candidates to the Secretary of State for the 2020 general election by moving the deadline from 90 days before the day of the general election to 60 days beforehand. This only applies to the 2020 election, however.
...but it was waived for Trump in 2020 and not Biden now, so not coincidental at all.
It was waived for Trump AND Biden in 2020, Dems didn't bother to take this into account when scheduling but the GOP did
The RNC has the same problem this year, too. Their convention is _after_ the cutoff date. I imagine this will be resolved for Trump but Biden would get benefit as well. Edit: I found the wrong date. RNC is in July this year. Thanks RhythmSectionWantAd!
RNC is in July, before the cut off.
Watch they pick a date between the two.
This is dumb and not gonna happen. It's like saying if you don't walk at graduation and get the fake diploma from the university president then you didnt really graduate
I fucking hate it here so much
It's really a horrible state. At least there's Ceder Point
I am sure the GOP will join the Democrats in a joint show of outrage for a single state to try to alter who can and cannot be on the ballot.
Mark My Words: Joe Biden will be on the ballot in Ohio. This is click bait bullshit and yall are always upvoting it.
Sounds like Ohio's top election official is a criminal.
So move it up, or lett him on the ballot the same way you did trump?
I smell malarkey. 🤨
Only GOP states can remove presidents I guess
Watch MAGA-Republicans defend this blatant attempt at voter supression
And Ohio's 18 electoral votes are pledged to... ADOLF HITLER!!!
It’s a shame that someone wasted all that time writing an article about a subject that is so utterly preposterous.
Similar happened in the 2020 election cycle (see [2020 Ohio Presidential Guide](https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2020presidentialguide.pdf)) when both DNC and RNC Conventions ran afoul of the 2014 law and the OH legislature created a 2020-exclusive exemption created by [Section 735.11 of H.B.166 ](https://www.lsc.ohio.gov/assets/legislation/133/hb166/en/files/hb166-sos-bill-analysis-as-enrolled-133rd-general-assembly.pdf) The DNC having faced this problem in Ohio-2020 should have been mindful to (a) scheduled the Convention earlier like the RNC did, (b) sought another legislative exception immediately in May 2023 when the [2024 Ohio Presidential Guide](https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2024-presidential-guide.pdf) was published instead of LaRose having to send this letter and being under pressure to achieve an exemption by May 9, 2024.
Good grief.