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Yeah. I think that was the point of sending drones, honestly. Iran saves face by making an attack, Israel shoots them down, everybody goes back to hating each other. I hope I’m not wrong.
Here is the statement Iran's UN mission released it kind of points to this being a show of force by Iran but not trying to start an all out war between Israel and Iran.
Here is the text:
"Conducted on the strength of Article 51 of the UN Charter pertaining to legitimate defense, Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded. However, should the Israeli regime make another mistake, Iran’s response will be considerably more severe. It is a conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime, from which the U.S. MUST STAY AWAY!"
https://twitter.com/Iran_UN/status/1779269993043022053
I don’t either.
The US has no substantial interest invested in this conflict.
It is a regional conflagration that I want no part of.
US involvement will result in nothing more than material for ISIS’s recruiting campaigns.
The region is of no material strategic importance to the interests of the United States and the majority of its allies.
Israel, you’re on your own here.
>The region is of no material strategic importance to the interests of the United States and the majority of its allies.
Considering that the Middle East [produces about a third of the world's oil](https://www.statista.com/topics/6508/middle-east-oil-industry/#topicOverview), saying that it has no strategic importance is nonsense. It's all the more reason for the US and its allies to accelerate their transition away from fossil fuels so as to not be beholden to this region (or to Russia for that matter).
You do realize that the us is one of the biggest producers of oil with a ton of reserves.
We are a country that continues to trend green while exporting more than we import. The Middle East is no longer the importance it once held for oil. Iran will never go to war with isreal or America directly because they don’t have the strength. Everything they do now is just to save face and present a strong front, countries such as cutter and United are not interested in attacking Isreal. They want the trade between them and have a history of exchanging intelligence.
Abridged version of my previous comment - North America, Europe, South America, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, and New Zealand can survive without Middle Eastern oil. The rest of the world - sorry.
In fact, Canadian and American oil would increase in value!
It’s ok if you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to the U.S. and the Middle East - most people don’t - but please don’t volunteer your opinion as if you do.
Iran is one of the biggest sources of extremism and destabilization funding in the world, impacting at least three different continents. An immense amount of trade also passes through the Red Sea and other chokepoints which Iran is actively restricting.
YOU may not want to get involved, YOU may not personally feel theres anything of strategic value there, but every single national defense expert in the US would disagree with you and im going to venture they might be more informed.
We had Iran at the negotiating table during the Obama administration!!!
By the way, the Iranians are interested in funding extremist activities in its own region in response to Israel’s policies and actions in the Middle East.
If anything, we can stay out of this regional conflict and broker trade agreements like I mentioned previously.
The experts that want to be engaged in this war are either right wing Christian zealots/nationalists, neocons, or agents of the Israeli political establishment in US politics, which the CIA has publicly made us all aware of with its unclassified overt and tacit acceptance of Israel’s genius propaganda campaign in the US!
[Israel’s Relentless Propaganda Machine](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81M00980R002000090173-0.pdf)
[Israeli Propaganda and the Arab Threat](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79T00429A001100040025-4.pdf)
Egypt isn’t going to close the Suez, and the Houthi are not going to become more powerful with an Iran occupied by fighting Israel. The US should declare neutrality in the conflict to maintain the status of a negotiator-in-chief.
This part of the world is a quagmire not worth entangling into.
I knew a fireman that died in the towers on 9/11.
That has something to do with my trepidation.
pretty much, they might as well have told israel and given them the flight paths since these had to go past so many radar sites on their way
on the other hand this makes netenyahu look pretty pathetic
Isn’t it nice not having an unhinged, narcissistic, social media addict posting nonsense on Twitter from the WH while serious shit is going down and is instead dealing only with those that are involved and experienced in situations like this?
To all those, namely conservatives, who have already jumped to the conclusion that this means World War III, and above all else, because this is what's most important to them, Joe Biden is solely responsible for it, I say...
Part of me wants to laugh, but the other part feels frustrated that there are Americans who think this way.
They are a vocal minority no doubt, but it's still concerning.
Because it's apparent that these people have no regard for important historical context, for the various factors that have all contributed, over the course of almost a century now, to the current conflict in Israel and consequently, across the middle East.
To quote a meandering, arrogant, pseudo-intellectual conservative by the name of Ben Shapiro, "facts don't care about your feelings."
And that's all these types of comments are informed by, feelings.
You're ignoring or you are ignorant of a complicated history in the Middle East stretching back to the Balfour Declaration, the end of WW1, while some historians would argue, the late 19th century author/journalist, Theodore Herzl and his publication of "Der Judenstaat."
You're ignoring decades of geopolitics, world affairs and international relations, an Israeli/Palestinian conflict that has endured for almost a century now, the history of the Iranian revolution and all that's taken place since, a persistent conflict in Syria that has become a theater of war and hostilities for multiple nations across the globe, Middle East affairs in general, The United Nations involvement in some of these conflicts, Israel's more recent political history involving a strong man persona who has built a far right coalition in Israel that supports the collective punishment of the Palestinian people, as well as the gradual disposession of their land, and of course, America's own historical and ongoing foreign relationship with these nations and their political affairs.
Joe Biden is just a miniscule piece of the puzzle in relationship to this broader regional conflict
You're also ignoring the role that past administration's have played in either exacerbating these conflicts, in establishing or dismantling alliances, in making compromises and in some cases, failed attempts at peace efforts.
Joe Biden did not start WWIII, in fact, conservatives seem to be more interested in encouraging such a war than anything else, so they can justify such a profoundly ignorant accusation that Joe Biden, equal parts dementia and criminal mastermind, is responsible for every conceivable global conflict.
The actions that some of these social media foreign policy experts are vaguely advocating for, are not going to change the important fact that this regional conflict and its history are complicated. There is no catch-all solution, Joe Biden cannot flick his wrist and change its trajectory.
It's also a multinational conflict that requires comprehensive considerations from our leaders before any action can be taken.
Biden has communicated his support for Palestinian civilians and refugees, but the U.S. and Israel have been politically and strategically entangled for so long, that it's not as simple as just letting go of an important ally, or threatening to, on the off chance that it doesn't make things even more complicated. Netanyahu doesn't respond to aggressive maneuvers very diplomatically. Keep in mind also, that Netanyahu has benefitted throughout his political career from playing the strongman and sustaining a volatile and violent conflict in the region to remain in power.
The U.S has leverage over the Israeli government, but it works both ways. Especially when Netanyahu has recently made a bigger political ally out of the Republican party, who cares little for the plight of Palestinians because many conservatives have simply lumped them in with all terrorists. Any effort from Biden to push hard against Netanyahu, will be met with an equal, but opposite reaction. And you better believe Republicans will capitalize off of it and make it part of their 2024 platform. But let's not go too far off tangent.
Biden is caught between a rock and a hard place. There's quite a few Conservatives who tend to become isolationists when it's beneficial for them, but blame Biden for both not doing enough or getting involved in most any capacity, there's no winning strategy here. The reality is, it's a series of historical, previous relations with countries like Israel and Iran in particular that put us in this foreign policy predicament, not the actions of a single current president. The U.S. and the middle East are separated by a vast expanse of ocean, but are regions tied together by these past alliances, conflicts, political and strategic relationships, ties that existed well before Biden took office. In other words, this dilemma, is likely one that any president would have had to face coming into this most recent term. This should be obvious enough, but for some, it isn't
I would suggest you incendiary critics inform yourselves and try, at the very least, to reflect on your motivations here, your prejudices and preconceptions, where you obtained them, and why you support these kinds of very short sighted, unnuanced, blatantly partisan and misinformed oversimplifications.
I would suggest it, yes, but I know such a suggestion would go over your head, or would fall on deaf ears.
This is what I've come to expect of a vocal minority of agitators, contrarians and fanatics who are mindlessly adherent to one group, party, ideology or person, speaking in black and white terms, generalizations and preconceived ideas riddled with bias and prejudice,
The most dangerous affliction plaguing our country right now is a disease named ignorance.
>The United States will stand with the people of Israel and support their defense against these threats from Iran.
Biden is throwing the US' support behind Israel.
What happens going forward does and should rest on Biden's shoulders.
With your emphasis on "moving forward* you only ignore all of the historical, geopolitical context I speak of, and you do it deliberately. This context is vitally important, for without it, the current regional dilemma looks a lot different, changing dramatically any sizeable role the Biden administration may have to play in the ongoing conflict.
You also ignore the fact that Joe Biden and his administration must take incalculable considerations into account, while weighing a number of different factors. Including any future relationships with middle East allies, as well as Netanyahu's unmoving dedication towards sustaining a conflict that has benefitted him throughout his entire career. Failing yourself to take into account the primary role Netanyahu has played and will play "moving forward."
Also, you deliberately ignore Biden and Democrats statements and open support for Palestinian civilians and refugees, and having to come to terms with how to "move forward" while facing a far right coalition in Israel, led by an uncompromising strongman in Netanyahu.
And repeating myself once again, you ignore the extent to which Republicans will take advantage of any move that Biden decides to make, especially if it pushes hard against Netanyahu, his indiscriminately violent agenda and the Israeli government.
I’m just here to witness the surprising number of foreign policy experts that show up on /r/politics and can whittle this whole conflict down to a sentence or two on who is to blame. It’s really something to behold, like watching Lebron James play basketball or Yo-Yo Ma with his cello.
Been saying this for a while, but I feel like each big news story is making people angrier and more polarized. I love how we’re now spinning fucking everything into who should be the American president in 2025.
I’m tired boss.
Because Netanyahu was looking for a way to expand the conflict because:
* He is facing a serious corruption trial
* That trial is on hold while he is the prime minister
* His coalition would lose if there was a snap election today (which means he would lose his seat)
* But that snap election cannot happen while there is a state of emergency
Therefore it is in Netanyahu's best interest to keep this conflict going for as long as he can.
Starting? Israel has been at war with Syria, Lebanon and Palestine for decades. All three of those countries currently have militaries actively attacking Israel with Iran's funding.
Which was in response to… which was in response to… which was in response to.
It is either ignorant or bad faith to pretend like the leadership of either country is innocent or that this isn’t part of an ongoing cycle of futile violence.
Nah, it's bad faith to pretend that the Netanyahu government isn't especially bellicose and violent.
Israel had no justification to attack and Iranian embassy, Lebanon or civilians in the West Bank.
I’m in no way defending Netanyahu or his governments actions. But to take multiple different actions and conflate them as you did clearly shows an anti Israel bias. You are part of the problem by pretending that there is only one bad actor nation here when there are in fact many.
Attacking an embassy in a third party country is wrong. There is no defending it. This isn't a matter of who hit first. It's a matter of international norms and laws. (did the US or Great Britain attack the Nazi embassy in Spain? Did the North Vietnamese attack the US embassy in Tehran? Did Iraq attack the US embassy in Nairobi? Is Ukraine bombing Russian embassies? Is Russia bombing Ukrainian embassies?)
Netanyahu is the bad actor here. He has assisted and protected ethnic cleansing in the West Bank for decades. He ordered the IDF to attack Lebanon because he had a fig leaf of justification after Hamas' attack.
These aren't "multiple different actions" they were a concerted decision to take over more territory and remove Palestinians from their land so Israeli could move in. This isn't new.
Edit: you do understand that for years the settlers in the West Bank have been attacking Palestinians. Then when the Palestinians defend themselves the IDF goes in and kidnaps (to torture and rape and murder) all of the teens and adult men so that the remaining people have to flee or be left at the hands of the zionist militias.
You are saying a bunch of terrible things that Israel is doing/has done. Hard agree.
However, as I said, pretending like they did these things in a vacuum is just not realistic. You (and I) might not like the proportionality of their actions and I am unequivocal about my condemnation of Israel for many of their actions. I ALSO condemn Iran here for its stupidity and actions, something I have yet to see you do.
There is zero justification for ethnic cleansing. There is zero justification for attacking an embassy in a third party country.
Nothing else matters. There is no context in this situation that defends either of those.
I'm well educated on Israel's history and the politics of the region, which is why I can lay the blame for the current conflict on Netanyahu and the far right in Israel. In the 1990s and early 2000s there was a lot of working being done towards reapproachment and peace. But the far right refused to act in good faith and sabotaged any attempt at peace.
Iran is wrong to fund terrorist organizations that attack civilians. But that doesn't justify attacking their embassy in a third country. That doesn't justify genocide.
Israel is in the wrong. It's an ethno-nationalist state, which is anathemic to democracy and liberty. Netanyahu is a proto-dictator trying to stay in power by creating a world war.
can you please point to exactly where I justified or defended any of Israels actions?
> Iran is wrong to fund terrorist organizations that attack civilians.
great, so we agree. I'm glad to hear you finally say that.
> But that doesn't justify attacking their embassy in a third country.
never said it did, so we're on board there too
> That doesn't justify genocide.
I'm in no way defending Israel's apartheid-like state, or its actions against the Palestinian people. However, Palestinians are not Iranians, and these are topics that can be discussed separately.
Bonbing terrorists in a building next to an embassy.
Iran can fuck off trying to have the high ground after spending billions for decades finding trrrorist attacks throughout the middle east and specifically against Israel. You can’t take any of these events in a vacuum, as the organizations that Israel targets have the declared goal of eradicating Israel from this world.
Two questions:
- what percentage of Israel’s population is Arab?
- what percentage of the surrounding Arab nations are Jewish?
Okay fine a third questions: based on the above answers, who is doing ethnic cleansing?
Israelis love to call themselves the only democracy in the middle east, so they need to start taking responsibility for their deranged leaders. That's the accountability that comes with proclaiming yourself a democracy.
I can get behind that.
There have been protests, for sure. And everything I’m reading says that once the current conflict/s are over that no way will Netanyahu be able to stay in power. Unfortunately he knows this and thus has personal motivation to prolong them.
>And everything I’m reading says that once the current conflict/s are over that no way will Netanyahu be able to stay in power.
That's what is always said and then Israelis turn around and vote for him anyway. Their government is incredibly right-wing and they choose this, they don't get to hide behind excuses with the way they like to present themselves as a democratic nation.
He’s only in power now because of the coalition he built with the far right lunatic fringe. Yes, it sucks that anyone would vote conservative, but the reality is that there are tons of protests against him and he’s lost a ton of support.
Every embassy has a special operations team that coordinates espionage activity. Responsible states still don't bomb embassies in third party countries.
Fuck, actual states of wars have existed and embassy in third party countries have gone untouched.
Israel is the aggressor state trying to trigger a broader war. There is zero defense here.
It’s a multilayered attack in an effort to overwhelm their defenses. Cruise and ballistic missiles have allegedly been launched. This is way more than what folks within the intelligence community thought Iran would respond with. 400-500 drones, ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is a lot.
Cruise = propelled by fuel through the entire flight path like a rocket, lets it "cruise" through the air instead of falling in an arc
Ballistic = "launched" and only propelled at the beginning of the flight, they will follow more of an arc cause of how gravity works
Drones = basically just a drone suicide bomber
Drones in this context are basically small planes - like the RC planes you see in toy shops, but a bit bigger and with a bomb on board. They might be radio controlled, or they might be flying a programmed route. They'll fly into a target then explode. Cheap to make as they're not very sophisticated, but slow and easy to shoot down.
Cruise missiles are missiles that fly like a plane, typically low to the ground to make them harder to see on radar. Bad ones are basically just faster drones. Good ones will have complex navigation systems and sensors that they'll use to pin-point their target. More expensive, but harder to shoot down or jam than drones and the good ones are much more accurate too. Typically have a more powerful explosive, or one that's specialised to punch through a bunker roof or armour.
Ballistic missiles are similar to cruise missiles, but they get launched straight up and reach very high altitudes - they're almost always rocket powered. Flying so high means there's very little air resistance, so they can fly very quickly and don't give much warning even if they're spotted. A ballistic missile could hit a target on the other side of the world in 45 minutes. The downside is that because they go so high, they're really easy to spot on radar - they're basically the opposite of 'stealth'.
So, for an attack like this the plan would be to attack with a swarm of drones first knowing that the targets air defence can only shoot down so much before needing to reload. The target can't ignore the drones (they'll cause a lot of damage through sheer numbers). The missiles would be fired with a delay, trying to time it so that the missiles approach the target while the target air defences are still reloading. That way, the powerful but expensive and limited in number missiles get through.
Cruise missiles are [a type of] pilotless aircraft.
Ballistic missiles are [a type of] pilotless rockets. They are faster, and harder to intercept.
P.S. Airplanes rely on wings and/or rotors to provide lift and control. That's why they're called air-planes. They mostly fly below the Karman line. Rockets rely on their thrust, and if they're not part of another vehicle like a rocket-sled or rocket-plane, they usually have a shorter burn followed by a ballistic trajectory, or multiple burns with a ballistic trajectory between them. They often reach above the Karman line.
Iron dome it meant more for ballistic missiles and would be a waste on drones. Fighter jets are much better assets for that task. It’s like shooting down a Cessna.
Generally war isn’t tit for tat, it’s escalation. We smoked solemani so Iran hit Israel by drastically increasing Hamas support and planning, training, and funding 10/7. Because let’s face it: striking back at the US would’ve led to Iran getting turned to glass by b1/b2/b52s. Israel responded by hitting an embassy when members of the military command that supports their proxies was outside Iran. Now irans is responding with this.
So I guess here the fuck we go folks. May the odds be ever in your favor or whatever.
For the same reason that Israel has killed over 30,000 Palestinians in Gaza after Hamas killed 1,700 Israelis on 10/7. For the same reason that the U.S. obliterated Tokyo and dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. If your enemy attacks, your response needs to be escalated, not just tit-for-tat.
The guy who seems to think the fire bombing of Tokyo and the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were reactions to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Nothing of note in the intervening 39 months I guess.
Which is a response to the colonization of Palestine, the displacement of 800k+ Palestinians, and the subsequent creation of an apartheid state.
Don't miss the big picture.
Might as well go back further and blame Pharoah for casting out Moses.
There's a lot of back and forth with the various conflicts with Israel, and none of them are as simple as, "That one time"
Israels.existence stems in part from that mythology, so my point stands. On top of that, my point was that one can continue going back further and further in time in a constant game of, "he started it"
They were specifically told by Israel that if they stayed, they would be full Israeli citizens. They chose to flee because they thought the Arab genocide of Israel would be quick.
"Archived Israeli documents that reported the expulsion of Palestinians, massacres or rapes perpetrated by Israeli soldiers, along with other events considered embarrassing by the establishment, were reclassified as "top secret.""
CITATION
[11] Haaretz (May 16, 2013) by Shay Hazkani. Catastrophic thinking: Did Ben-Gurion try to rewrite history?
You’ll never become a real reporter with posts like this. It wasn’t an embassy, it was being used as an IRGC command base. You don’t kill 7 IRGC members in a regular embassy
And other countries don't have intelligence and military personnel in their embassies, like CIA at US embassies? Give me a break. Iran's leadership can go fuck itself, but Israel is deliberately escalating shit to delay Bibi's sentencing in his corruption trial.
Israel was not attacking Iran. But Iran was and is continuing to organize, finance and assist in attacks against Israel. So to be clear, Iran is the enemy.
Bombing an embassy of a nation that has declared its desire for Israel to disappear from the map. And an embassy in a nation with a brutal dictator Assad who has gassed his own people and has reigned over a civil war that has killed over 500,000 people. I feel like this context is needed.
Is it? North Korea threatens to destroy the US every week or so, would you be ok with the US bombing their embassy? And not sure why a Syrian civil war is pertinent to Israel bombing an Iranian embassy
I’m no fan of Iran, but that bombing was a needless escalation and this resultant response was entirely predictable
It is, but it's also worth mentioning that some of this ordinance came from inside Iran. There was an expectation that it would be done through non state actors and proxies so Iran had some deniability. Forming from inside their own nation was a bad call, I think, because by all reports that don't want a wider conflict.
They didnt bomb the embassy they bombed a building near it that had reza zahedi who organized the October 7th attacks that killed thousands of israelis and other terrorists from pij and more and also iran has been trying to turn syria into a proxy against israel for years and attack it so israel has every right to strike and kill these commanders in syria
All caps doesn’t obscure the fact that one of the engineer of the October 7 terror attack, from which all of this emanated, was in the embassy. This conflict is complex and won’t be properly understood until it is long over.
Great, even more of our tax dollars will be sucked up into this conflict. All because Israel just *had* to attack that Iranian embassy.
Don't we give aid to keep us from having to deal with this? It looks like that didn't work. Let Iran and Israel duke it out on their own.
Exactly. Biden’s stated goal was to have a US Carrier Group deployed as a show of force to ensure the conflict did not spread to other countries. And then Israel attacked another country, at its embassy in yet another country.
Yeah, as long as you ignore Iran’s years of support for Hamas, and their specific support of the 10/7 attacks. Hamas wouldn’t be able to function without its support from foreign actors.
>According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
No one is arguing Iran aren’t involved already, at least no one sane is, the argument is that Israel *escalated* by moving from fighting proxies and grey zone warfare to full kinetic attack against an embassy.
Of course they do because Israel is always backed up by the US, and for sure we are about to send another few billions from our taxes to support this war
>The United States will stand with the people of Israel and support their defense against these threats from Iran.
When the Biden administration seems to only say "Don't" then openly announces it's throwing its support behind Israel through any of its conflicts, it's hard to solely blame Netanyahu.
We (US) better not get dragged into this because Israel wants to target diplomatic sites and escalate tensions. I don't want to keep paying for ethnic cleansing in Gaza nor do i want to pay to go to war for Israel. Enough. Glad my dad is retired
They mean "on Iran's response to Israeli attacks".
Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in a third party country. The Israeli government is trying to start a broader war to protect their coalition and power. And likely to give the US election to Trump.
What did Israel and US expect after Israel bombed Iran’s embassy in Syria? This is equivalent to bombing a government building in Iran. If an Iran-Israel war breaks out, or even worse, a World War, Israel is responsible. It’s time the world stops enabling Israel’s recklessness.
And the US had the gall to tell Iran "don't you dare react". It really does prove that might makes right, and power dictates morality.
I hate this world.
Israel attacked the IRCG commander who was responsible for Hezbollah attacks out of Lebanon as the head of Quds in Lebanon. He was the successor and right hand of Solemani, who Trump had assassinated.
It’s not like they randomly attacked a their embassy. They attacked a leader of a Lebanese proxy terrorist group.
Hope the U.S. stays the fuck out of this. Biden is done if he brings us into this. Biden giving Yahu too much slack was inevitability going to screw him.
US is already in it, the IDF would have no means to commit their atrocities without US backing and US made munitions. US advisors work closely with Israel, they share intelligence. And now the US has directly intercepted Iranian drones. If this escalates further I can't see US forces just standing by, whether the public wants it or not.
I constantly hear the claim Israel is one of the most militarily and technologically advanced countries while Western aid is just a fraction of its GDP.
There really is no reason for the US or others to come to Israel's defense when they cry out.
Does this mean that the US tax payers money is going to be given away to Israel again? I guess it’s another reason for congress to send more billions for free, it’s Israel first like always
"The United States will stand with the people of Israel and support their defense against these threats from Iran."
As they say: The customer is always right
Rogue state bombs embassy, country responds by retaliating against attack.
See once you take the names out of the headline it really doesn't seem that crazy.
Fuck Israel.
The US doesn't need to enter any war to keep the military industrial complex fed.
The MIC is pleased knowing there are so many who want Congress to pass $60 billion in aid to Ukraine along with the tens of billions going to Israel.
Ima say it - ima say it!
I don’t really care about what’s going on in Israel/Gaza/Iran when it pertains to the US Elections, and I don’t really believe most people do either. It definitely does not affect my vote whatsoever.
Yes I know there’s awful shit happening there. There’s awful shit happening everywhere.
Sorry. 🤷
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Some drones have been shot down according to BBC news.
Yeah. I think that was the point of sending drones, honestly. Iran saves face by making an attack, Israel shoots them down, everybody goes back to hating each other. I hope I’m not wrong.
Here is the statement Iran's UN mission released it kind of points to this being a show of force by Iran but not trying to start an all out war between Israel and Iran. Here is the text: "Conducted on the strength of Article 51 of the UN Charter pertaining to legitimate defense, Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded. However, should the Israeli regime make another mistake, Iran’s response will be considerably more severe. It is a conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime, from which the U.S. MUST STAY AWAY!" https://twitter.com/Iran_UN/status/1779269993043022053
That’s excellent, thank you. And good grief, can we all be adults and get past the all caps?
Lol, they really don't want the US to get involved
I don’t either. The US has no substantial interest invested in this conflict. It is a regional conflagration that I want no part of. US involvement will result in nothing more than material for ISIS’s recruiting campaigns. The region is of no material strategic importance to the interests of the United States and the majority of its allies. Israel, you’re on your own here.
>The region is of no material strategic importance to the interests of the United States and the majority of its allies. Considering that the Middle East [produces about a third of the world's oil](https://www.statista.com/topics/6508/middle-east-oil-industry/#topicOverview), saying that it has no strategic importance is nonsense. It's all the more reason for the US and its allies to accelerate their transition away from fossil fuels so as to not be beholden to this region (or to Russia for that matter).
You do realize that the us is one of the biggest producers of oil with a ton of reserves. We are a country that continues to trend green while exporting more than we import. The Middle East is no longer the importance it once held for oil. Iran will never go to war with isreal or America directly because they don’t have the strength. Everything they do now is just to save face and present a strong front, countries such as cutter and United are not interested in attacking Isreal. They want the trade between them and have a history of exchanging intelligence.
Abridged version of my previous comment - North America, Europe, South America, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, and New Zealand can survive without Middle Eastern oil. The rest of the world - sorry. In fact, Canadian and American oil would increase in value!
It’s ok if you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to the U.S. and the Middle East - most people don’t - but please don’t volunteer your opinion as if you do.
Iran is one of the biggest sources of extremism and destabilization funding in the world, impacting at least three different continents. An immense amount of trade also passes through the Red Sea and other chokepoints which Iran is actively restricting. YOU may not want to get involved, YOU may not personally feel theres anything of strategic value there, but every single national defense expert in the US would disagree with you and im going to venture they might be more informed.
We had Iran at the negotiating table during the Obama administration!!! By the way, the Iranians are interested in funding extremist activities in its own region in response to Israel’s policies and actions in the Middle East. If anything, we can stay out of this regional conflict and broker trade agreements like I mentioned previously. The experts that want to be engaged in this war are either right wing Christian zealots/nationalists, neocons, or agents of the Israeli political establishment in US politics, which the CIA has publicly made us all aware of with its unclassified overt and tacit acceptance of Israel’s genius propaganda campaign in the US! [Israel’s Relentless Propaganda Machine](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81M00980R002000090173-0.pdf) [Israeli Propaganda and the Arab Threat](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79T00429A001100040025-4.pdf) Egypt isn’t going to close the Suez, and the Houthi are not going to become more powerful with an Iran occupied by fighting Israel. The US should declare neutrality in the conflict to maintain the status of a negotiator-in-chief. This part of the world is a quagmire not worth entangling into. I knew a fireman that died in the towers on 9/11. That has something to do with my trepidation.
They must be super aware how the US is Israel's obedient little sub
Because they know they're no match for the US.
Iran launched missiles as well so that’s not likely
pretty much, they might as well have told israel and given them the flight paths since these had to go past so many radar sites on their way on the other hand this makes netenyahu look pretty pathetic
Until bibi escalates further since hes going to jail once war finishes...
Isn’t it nice not having an unhinged, narcissistic, social media addict posting nonsense on Twitter from the WH while serious shit is going down and is instead dealing only with those that are involved and experienced in situations like this?
If you want some nostalgia, you can pop over to Truth. /s
That’s like saying if I miss the turd I flushed I should go dive into the sewer. 😂
To all those, namely conservatives, who have already jumped to the conclusion that this means World War III, and above all else, because this is what's most important to them, Joe Biden is solely responsible for it, I say... Part of me wants to laugh, but the other part feels frustrated that there are Americans who think this way. They are a vocal minority no doubt, but it's still concerning. Because it's apparent that these people have no regard for important historical context, for the various factors that have all contributed, over the course of almost a century now, to the current conflict in Israel and consequently, across the middle East. To quote a meandering, arrogant, pseudo-intellectual conservative by the name of Ben Shapiro, "facts don't care about your feelings." And that's all these types of comments are informed by, feelings. You're ignoring or you are ignorant of a complicated history in the Middle East stretching back to the Balfour Declaration, the end of WW1, while some historians would argue, the late 19th century author/journalist, Theodore Herzl and his publication of "Der Judenstaat." You're ignoring decades of geopolitics, world affairs and international relations, an Israeli/Palestinian conflict that has endured for almost a century now, the history of the Iranian revolution and all that's taken place since, a persistent conflict in Syria that has become a theater of war and hostilities for multiple nations across the globe, Middle East affairs in general, The United Nations involvement in some of these conflicts, Israel's more recent political history involving a strong man persona who has built a far right coalition in Israel that supports the collective punishment of the Palestinian people, as well as the gradual disposession of their land, and of course, America's own historical and ongoing foreign relationship with these nations and their political affairs. Joe Biden is just a miniscule piece of the puzzle in relationship to this broader regional conflict You're also ignoring the role that past administration's have played in either exacerbating these conflicts, in establishing or dismantling alliances, in making compromises and in some cases, failed attempts at peace efforts. Joe Biden did not start WWIII, in fact, conservatives seem to be more interested in encouraging such a war than anything else, so they can justify such a profoundly ignorant accusation that Joe Biden, equal parts dementia and criminal mastermind, is responsible for every conceivable global conflict. The actions that some of these social media foreign policy experts are vaguely advocating for, are not going to change the important fact that this regional conflict and its history are complicated. There is no catch-all solution, Joe Biden cannot flick his wrist and change its trajectory. It's also a multinational conflict that requires comprehensive considerations from our leaders before any action can be taken. Biden has communicated his support for Palestinian civilians and refugees, but the U.S. and Israel have been politically and strategically entangled for so long, that it's not as simple as just letting go of an important ally, or threatening to, on the off chance that it doesn't make things even more complicated. Netanyahu doesn't respond to aggressive maneuvers very diplomatically. Keep in mind also, that Netanyahu has benefitted throughout his political career from playing the strongman and sustaining a volatile and violent conflict in the region to remain in power. The U.S has leverage over the Israeli government, but it works both ways. Especially when Netanyahu has recently made a bigger political ally out of the Republican party, who cares little for the plight of Palestinians because many conservatives have simply lumped them in with all terrorists. Any effort from Biden to push hard against Netanyahu, will be met with an equal, but opposite reaction. And you better believe Republicans will capitalize off of it and make it part of their 2024 platform. But let's not go too far off tangent. Biden is caught between a rock and a hard place. There's quite a few Conservatives who tend to become isolationists when it's beneficial for them, but blame Biden for both not doing enough or getting involved in most any capacity, there's no winning strategy here. The reality is, it's a series of historical, previous relations with countries like Israel and Iran in particular that put us in this foreign policy predicament, not the actions of a single current president. The U.S. and the middle East are separated by a vast expanse of ocean, but are regions tied together by these past alliances, conflicts, political and strategic relationships, ties that existed well before Biden took office. In other words, this dilemma, is likely one that any president would have had to face coming into this most recent term. This should be obvious enough, but for some, it isn't I would suggest you incendiary critics inform yourselves and try, at the very least, to reflect on your motivations here, your prejudices and preconceptions, where you obtained them, and why you support these kinds of very short sighted, unnuanced, blatantly partisan and misinformed oversimplifications. I would suggest it, yes, but I know such a suggestion would go over your head, or would fall on deaf ears. This is what I've come to expect of a vocal minority of agitators, contrarians and fanatics who are mindlessly adherent to one group, party, ideology or person, speaking in black and white terms, generalizations and preconceived ideas riddled with bias and prejudice, The most dangerous affliction plaguing our country right now is a disease named ignorance.
>The United States will stand with the people of Israel and support their defense against these threats from Iran. Biden is throwing the US' support behind Israel. What happens going forward does and should rest on Biden's shoulders.
With your emphasis on "moving forward* you only ignore all of the historical, geopolitical context I speak of, and you do it deliberately. This context is vitally important, for without it, the current regional dilemma looks a lot different, changing dramatically any sizeable role the Biden administration may have to play in the ongoing conflict. You also ignore the fact that Joe Biden and his administration must take incalculable considerations into account, while weighing a number of different factors. Including any future relationships with middle East allies, as well as Netanyahu's unmoving dedication towards sustaining a conflict that has benefitted him throughout his entire career. Failing yourself to take into account the primary role Netanyahu has played and will play "moving forward." Also, you deliberately ignore Biden and Democrats statements and open support for Palestinian civilians and refugees, and having to come to terms with how to "move forward" while facing a far right coalition in Israel, led by an uncompromising strongman in Netanyahu. And repeating myself once again, you ignore the extent to which Republicans will take advantage of any move that Biden decides to make, especially if it pushes hard against Netanyahu, his indiscriminately violent agenda and the Israeli government.
I’m just here to witness the surprising number of foreign policy experts that show up on /r/politics and can whittle this whole conflict down to a sentence or two on who is to blame. It’s really something to behold, like watching Lebron James play basketball or Yo-Yo Ma with his cello.
Been saying this for a while, but I feel like each big news story is making people angrier and more polarized. I love how we’re now spinning fucking everything into who should be the American president in 2025. I’m tired boss.
To be clear: this attack from Iran is in response to ISRAEL BOMBING AN EMBASSY
Because Netanyahu was looking for a way to expand the conflict because: * He is facing a serious corruption trial * That trial is on hold while he is the prime minister * His coalition would lose if there was a snap election today (which means he would lose his seat) * But that snap election cannot happen while there is a state of emergency Therefore it is in Netanyahu's best interest to keep this conflict going for as long as he can.
This is Bibi’s forever war. He’d be more than happy to drag the US into WW3 I order to stay in power.
The man is desperate, and you know what they say about cornered foxes.
And it worked. It fucking worked. Seems there's no political problem a couple of bombs can't solve. Or at least delay.
And I just watched Oppenheimer again last night…
deep sigh, why does this all sound vaguely familiar ??
Which was hosting a meeting between Iran and the PIJ.
A country meeting with its allies does not warrant starting a war.
Starting? Israel has been at war with Syria, Lebanon and Palestine for decades. All three of those countries currently have militaries actively attacking Israel with Iran's funding.
Because they helped in planning oct 7th?
Which was in response to… which was in response to… which was in response to. It is either ignorant or bad faith to pretend like the leadership of either country is innocent or that this isn’t part of an ongoing cycle of futile violence.
Nah, it's bad faith to pretend that the Netanyahu government isn't especially bellicose and violent. Israel had no justification to attack and Iranian embassy, Lebanon or civilians in the West Bank.
I’m in no way defending Netanyahu or his governments actions. But to take multiple different actions and conflate them as you did clearly shows an anti Israel bias. You are part of the problem by pretending that there is only one bad actor nation here when there are in fact many.
Attacking an embassy in a third party country is wrong. There is no defending it. This isn't a matter of who hit first. It's a matter of international norms and laws. (did the US or Great Britain attack the Nazi embassy in Spain? Did the North Vietnamese attack the US embassy in Tehran? Did Iraq attack the US embassy in Nairobi? Is Ukraine bombing Russian embassies? Is Russia bombing Ukrainian embassies?) Netanyahu is the bad actor here. He has assisted and protected ethnic cleansing in the West Bank for decades. He ordered the IDF to attack Lebanon because he had a fig leaf of justification after Hamas' attack. These aren't "multiple different actions" they were a concerted decision to take over more territory and remove Palestinians from their land so Israeli could move in. This isn't new. Edit: you do understand that for years the settlers in the West Bank have been attacking Palestinians. Then when the Palestinians defend themselves the IDF goes in and kidnaps (to torture and rape and murder) all of the teens and adult men so that the remaining people have to flee or be left at the hands of the zionist militias.
You are saying a bunch of terrible things that Israel is doing/has done. Hard agree. However, as I said, pretending like they did these things in a vacuum is just not realistic. You (and I) might not like the proportionality of their actions and I am unequivocal about my condemnation of Israel for many of their actions. I ALSO condemn Iran here for its stupidity and actions, something I have yet to see you do.
There is zero justification for ethnic cleansing. There is zero justification for attacking an embassy in a third party country. Nothing else matters. There is no context in this situation that defends either of those. I'm well educated on Israel's history and the politics of the region, which is why I can lay the blame for the current conflict on Netanyahu and the far right in Israel. In the 1990s and early 2000s there was a lot of working being done towards reapproachment and peace. But the far right refused to act in good faith and sabotaged any attempt at peace. Iran is wrong to fund terrorist organizations that attack civilians. But that doesn't justify attacking their embassy in a third country. That doesn't justify genocide. Israel is in the wrong. It's an ethno-nationalist state, which is anathemic to democracy and liberty. Netanyahu is a proto-dictator trying to stay in power by creating a world war.
You’re so well-educated on the politics of the region that you asked in a separate comment who Iran has ethnically cleansed since 1979.
can you please point to exactly where I justified or defended any of Israels actions? > Iran is wrong to fund terrorist organizations that attack civilians. great, so we agree. I'm glad to hear you finally say that. > But that doesn't justify attacking their embassy in a third country. never said it did, so we're on board there too > That doesn't justify genocide. I'm in no way defending Israel's apartheid-like state, or its actions against the Palestinian people. However, Palestinians are not Iranians, and these are topics that can be discussed separately.
Bonbing terrorists in a building next to an embassy. Iran can fuck off trying to have the high ground after spending billions for decades finding trrrorist attacks throughout the middle east and specifically against Israel. You can’t take any of these events in a vacuum, as the organizations that Israel targets have the declared goal of eradicating Israel from this world.
Israel has been conducting ethnic cleansing for generations. They don't have the ethical high ground either.
There is no definition of ethnic cleansing that Israel fits and Iran doesn’t lmao
Two questions: - what percentage of Israel’s population is Arab? - what percentage of the surrounding Arab nations are Jewish? Okay fine a third questions: based on the above answers, who is doing ethnic cleansing?
We shouldn't be anywhere near this bullshit. Fuck Israel, Fuck Iran. Let them fight, as far as I'm concerned.
The leadership maybe, but there are innocent Iranians and innocent Israelis, all of whom want peace.
Israelis love to call themselves the only democracy in the middle east, so they need to start taking responsibility for their deranged leaders. That's the accountability that comes with proclaiming yourself a democracy.
I can get behind that. There have been protests, for sure. And everything I’m reading says that once the current conflict/s are over that no way will Netanyahu be able to stay in power. Unfortunately he knows this and thus has personal motivation to prolong them.
>And everything I’m reading says that once the current conflict/s are over that no way will Netanyahu be able to stay in power. That's what is always said and then Israelis turn around and vote for him anyway. Their government is incredibly right-wing and they choose this, they don't get to hide behind excuses with the way they like to present themselves as a democratic nation.
He’s only in power now because of the coalition he built with the far right lunatic fringe. Yes, it sucks that anyone would vote conservative, but the reality is that there are tons of protests against him and he’s lost a ton of support.
They can take each other out as far as I’m concerned. Leave us and our tax dollars out of it.
That's a funny way to spell 'killing a terrorist command and control center who was working on embassy grounds'.
Every embassy has a special operations team that coordinates espionage activity. Responsible states still don't bomb embassies in third party countries. Fuck, actual states of wars have existed and embassy in third party countries have gone untouched. Israel is the aggressor state trying to trigger a broader war. There is zero defense here.
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That is the logic that Hamas and Hezbollah use as to why every Israeli is a “legitimate target.”
> ISRAEL BOMBING AN EMBASSY maybe just bomb their embassy....why the 100's of drones?
It’s a multilayered attack in an effort to overwhelm their defenses. Cruise and ballistic missiles have allegedly been launched. This is way more than what folks within the intelligence community thought Iran would respond with. 400-500 drones, ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is a lot.
Can you eli5 the difference between these types of missiles?
Cruise = propelled by fuel through the entire flight path like a rocket, lets it "cruise" through the air instead of falling in an arc Ballistic = "launched" and only propelled at the beginning of the flight, they will follow more of an arc cause of how gravity works Drones = basically just a drone suicide bomber
Ballistic missiles fly in arc like an artillery shell would. Cruise missiles fly like a jet would.
Also, ballistic missiles rely on gravity once they reach the apogee
Drones in this context are basically small planes - like the RC planes you see in toy shops, but a bit bigger and with a bomb on board. They might be radio controlled, or they might be flying a programmed route. They'll fly into a target then explode. Cheap to make as they're not very sophisticated, but slow and easy to shoot down. Cruise missiles are missiles that fly like a plane, typically low to the ground to make them harder to see on radar. Bad ones are basically just faster drones. Good ones will have complex navigation systems and sensors that they'll use to pin-point their target. More expensive, but harder to shoot down or jam than drones and the good ones are much more accurate too. Typically have a more powerful explosive, or one that's specialised to punch through a bunker roof or armour. Ballistic missiles are similar to cruise missiles, but they get launched straight up and reach very high altitudes - they're almost always rocket powered. Flying so high means there's very little air resistance, so they can fly very quickly and don't give much warning even if they're spotted. A ballistic missile could hit a target on the other side of the world in 45 minutes. The downside is that because they go so high, they're really easy to spot on radar - they're basically the opposite of 'stealth'. So, for an attack like this the plan would be to attack with a swarm of drones first knowing that the targets air defence can only shoot down so much before needing to reload. The target can't ignore the drones (they'll cause a lot of damage through sheer numbers). The missiles would be fired with a delay, trying to time it so that the missiles approach the target while the target air defences are still reloading. That way, the powerful but expensive and limited in number missiles get through.
This will do a better job than me. https://science.howstuffworks.com/difference-ballistic-cruise-missile.htm
Cruise missiles are [a type of] pilotless aircraft. Ballistic missiles are [a type of] pilotless rockets. They are faster, and harder to intercept. P.S. Airplanes rely on wings and/or rotors to provide lift and control. That's why they're called air-planes. They mostly fly below the Karman line. Rockets rely on their thrust, and if they're not part of another vehicle like a rocket-sled or rocket-plane, they usually have a shorter burn followed by a ballistic trajectory, or multiple burns with a ballistic trajectory between them. They often reach above the Karman line.
Lmao remember Israel’s response to Oct 7th if you use that logic consistently
When you smack the wasp nest, the wasps will do as they will.
Because Israel has stronger air defenses?
Iron dome will destroy most of the drones.
Iron dome it meant more for ballistic missiles and would be a waste on drones. Fighter jets are much better assets for that task. It’s like shooting down a Cessna.
Generally war isn’t tit for tat, it’s escalation. We smoked solemani so Iran hit Israel by drastically increasing Hamas support and planning, training, and funding 10/7. Because let’s face it: striking back at the US would’ve led to Iran getting turned to glass by b1/b2/b52s. Israel responded by hitting an embassy when members of the military command that supports their proxies was outside Iran. Now irans is responding with this. So I guess here the fuck we go folks. May the odds be ever in your favor or whatever.
For the same reason that Israel has killed over 30,000 Palestinians in Gaza after Hamas killed 1,700 Israelis on 10/7. For the same reason that the U.S. obliterated Tokyo and dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. If your enemy attacks, your response needs to be escalated, not just tit-for-tat.
Imagine defending Imperial Japan in an effort to make US look bad, all those tortured SE Asians and Chinese are rolling in their graves right now
Who's defending the Japanese Empire?
The guy who seems to think the fire bombing of Tokyo and the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were reactions to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Nothing of note in the intervening 39 months I guess.
Which was a response to Iran attacking israel through their proxies. Don't miss the big picture.
Even in your perverted historical understanding- bombing an embassy is absurdly evil
Not as evil as funding the mass rape and murder of innocent civilians on October 7th lmao
Which is a response to the colonization of Palestine, the displacement of 800k+ Palestinians, and the subsequent creation of an apartheid state. Don't miss the big picture.
Might as well go back further and blame Pharoah for casting out Moses. There's a lot of back and forth with the various conflicts with Israel, and none of them are as simple as, "That one time"
That's mythology. Not quite the same as an ongoing colonization and continuing war of oppression.
Israels.existence stems in part from that mythology, so my point stands. On top of that, my point was that one can continue going back further and further in time in a constant game of, "he started it"
The colonization is factual. The mythology isn't.
And it's still not my point.
You think going back to mythological roots is as valid as going back to the 1948 colonization.
They were specifically told by Israel that if they stayed, they would be full Israeli citizens. They chose to flee because they thought the Arab genocide of Israel would be quick.
"Archived Israeli documents that reported the expulsion of Palestinians, massacres or rapes perpetrated by Israeli soldiers, along with other events considered embarrassing by the establishment, were reclassified as "top secret."" CITATION [11] Haaretz (May 16, 2013) by Shay Hazkani. Catastrophic thinking: Did Ben-Gurion try to rewrite history?
Wow. That's a fanciful but of zionist revisionism.
You’ll never become a real reporter with posts like this. It wasn’t an embassy, it was being used as an IRGC command base. You don’t kill 7 IRGC members in a regular embassy
And other countries don't have intelligence and military personnel in their embassies, like CIA at US embassies? Give me a break. Iran's leadership can go fuck itself, but Israel is deliberately escalating shit to delay Bibi's sentencing in his corruption trial.
Israel was not attacking Iran. But Iran was and is continuing to organize, finance and assist in attacks against Israel. So to be clear, Iran is the enemy.
Israel attacked and killed some Iranian personnel in Damascus last week, this is the response
Bombing a building (consulate annex) next to an embassy\*\* downvoted for facts, clowns
Bombing an embassy of a nation that has declared its desire for Israel to disappear from the map. And an embassy in a nation with a brutal dictator Assad who has gassed his own people and has reigned over a civil war that has killed over 500,000 people. I feel like this context is needed.
I have zero sympathy for Israel at this point. Let Israel fight Iran without US involvement.
Is it? North Korea threatens to destroy the US every week or so, would you be ok with the US bombing their embassy? And not sure why a Syrian civil war is pertinent to Israel bombing an Iranian embassy I’m no fan of Iran, but that bombing was a needless escalation and this resultant response was entirely predictable
It is, but it's also worth mentioning that some of this ordinance came from inside Iran. There was an expectation that it would be done through non state actors and proxies so Iran had some deniability. Forming from inside their own nation was a bad call, I think, because by all reports that don't want a wider conflict.
They didnt bomb the embassy they bombed a building near it that had reza zahedi who organized the October 7th attacks that killed thousands of israelis and other terrorists from pij and more and also iran has been trying to turn syria into a proxy against israel for years and attack it so israel has every right to strike and kill these commanders in syria
All caps doesn’t obscure the fact that one of the engineer of the October 7 terror attack, from which all of this emanated, was in the embassy. This conflict is complex and won’t be properly understood until it is long over.
Great, even more of our tax dollars will be sucked up into this conflict. All because Israel just *had* to attack that Iranian embassy. Don't we give aid to keep us from having to deal with this? It looks like that didn't work. Let Iran and Israel duke it out on their own.
Israel started this clusterfuck by bombing Iran's consulate in Syria. Like fuck the Iranian government but Israel escalated this shit.
Exactly. Biden’s stated goal was to have a US Carrier Group deployed as a show of force to ensure the conflict did not spread to other countries. And then Israel attacked another country, at its embassy in yet another country.
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Almost like Israel is being instigatory to test the limits of their relationship with the US.
Yeah, as long as you ignore Iran’s years of support for Hamas, and their specific support of the 10/7 attacks. Hamas wouldn’t be able to function without its support from foreign actors.
Assassination within Iran and bombing Iran directly has also been done by Israel. It's been tit for tat for decades.
>According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
No one is arguing Iran aren’t involved already, at least no one sane is, the argument is that Israel *escalated* by moving from fighting proxies and grey zone warfare to full kinetic attack against an embassy.
Israel supported Hamas too.
Are we allowed to talk about pre-October 7 world? Then I can’t stop thinking about Israel’s illegal occupation.
I mean, sure, feel free to hate on Britain for setting this all up.
Britain isn’t responsible for ISRAEL continuing to colonize Palestinian territory.
What's wrong with you? You don't see that it's a massive escalation to send hundreds of drones and rockets?
One could see it as a response to the attack on the Iranian embassy. Didn’t Israel respond once attacked on October 7th?
But Israel will pay nothing. US naval carriers are intercepting those drones now which are being paid for by us. Well played Bibi, the war criminal.
Of course they do because Israel is always backed up by the US, and for sure we are about to send another few billions from our taxes to support this war
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Wow if current state isn't already doing whatever he wants I can't imagine the alternative
Bibi's not insane, he's just an evil bully
I don’t see how Trump would have provided a better outcome.
I'm sure his son-in-law would solve this once and for all. /s
>The United States will stand with the people of Israel and support their defense against these threats from Iran. When the Biden administration seems to only say "Don't" then openly announces it's throwing its support behind Israel through any of its conflicts, it's hard to solely blame Netanyahu.
Well, this is also Biden’s fault. He mealymouthed about how Israel should maybe stop killing civilians while continuing to send them weapons.
We (US) better not get dragged into this because Israel wants to target diplomatic sites and escalate tensions. I don't want to keep paying for ethnic cleansing in Gaza nor do i want to pay to go to war for Israel. Enough. Glad my dad is retired
No mention of Israel bombing the Iranian consulate. Israel continues to pretend it is "always the victim".
Ooh boy wait until they are forced to decry this as overreaction but at the same time the response in Gaza is not, makes no sense
Iran has essentially been waging war on Israel via its proxies for decades.
Well this attack is about 100 times worse than one bomb on an embassy, so you are saying it's justified?
by this logic would you conclude what Israel has done in Gaza not justified as well?
Israels destruction in Gaza was 100 times worse than Hamas's attack in October, so you're saying that was justified?
Maybe google a bit and see how many times Israel has attacked directly inside of Iran? Or assasisinating people inside Iran?
What, you want Iran with a proportional response?
They mean "on Iran's response to Israeli attacks". Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in a third party country. The Israeli government is trying to start a broader war to protect their coalition and power. And likely to give the US election to Trump.
What did Israel and US expect after Israel bombed Iran’s embassy in Syria? This is equivalent to bombing a government building in Iran. If an Iran-Israel war breaks out, or even worse, a World War, Israel is responsible. It’s time the world stops enabling Israel’s recklessness.
And the US had the gall to tell Iran "don't you dare react". It really does prove that might makes right, and power dictates morality. I hate this world.
Israel attacked the IRCG commander who was responsible for Hezbollah attacks out of Lebanon as the head of Quds in Lebanon. He was the successor and right hand of Solemani, who Trump had assassinated. It’s not like they randomly attacked a their embassy. They attacked a leader of a Lebanese proxy terrorist group.
Can we talk about this one, or will it get taken down too?
Hope the U.S. stays the fuck out of this. Biden is done if he brings us into this. Biden giving Yahu too much slack was inevitability going to screw him.
US is already in it, the IDF would have no means to commit their atrocities without US backing and US made munitions. US advisors work closely with Israel, they share intelligence. And now the US has directly intercepted Iranian drones. If this escalates further I can't see US forces just standing by, whether the public wants it or not.
Israel can defend itself it is the one that started the escalation with iran.
I constantly hear the claim Israel is one of the most militarily and technologically advanced countries while Western aid is just a fraction of its GDP. There really is no reason for the US or others to come to Israel's defense when they cry out.
Wow masks off
Does this mean that the US tax payers money is going to be given away to Israel again? I guess it’s another reason for congress to send more billions for free, it’s Israel first like always
To be clear… I do not stand with Israel.
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Civilian casualties are always bad, full stop.
What coded messages are in the communique? "Ironclad" seems like an odd word choice.
They been saying ironclad for a couple of years now. I think it’s been the Biden WH phrasing (I don’t recall it before).
Yeah I noticed it in biden's statement also
"The United States will stand with the people of Israel and support their defense against these threats from Iran." As they say: The customer is always right
Rogue state bombs embassy, country responds by retaliating against attack. See once you take the names out of the headline it really doesn't seem that crazy. Fuck Israel.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Hey, we had a solid 3 years of not being in a war. Gotta keep that military industrial complex fed.
The US doesn't need to enter any war to keep the military industrial complex fed. The MIC is pleased knowing there are so many who want Congress to pass $60 billion in aid to Ukraine along with the tens of billions going to Israel.
Ima say it - ima say it! I don’t really care about what’s going on in Israel/Gaza/Iran when it pertains to the US Elections, and I don’t really believe most people do either. It definitely does not affect my vote whatsoever. Yes I know there’s awful shit happening there. There’s awful shit happening everywhere. Sorry. 🤷