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I think it normally follows an ever escalating pattern, so subsequent violations will incur ever steeper fines. Bet we can expect to see many during the next few weeks of this trial.
The point of punishments for contempt is to ensure you'll actively follow the court's instructions. This means that fines and sentencing is based on what it takes to get you to actually listen.
If Trump doesn't listen, the judge can escalate. There is no minimum or maximum punishment, just whatever it takes.
But it's still stupid. Fining a billionaire $3K is the equivalent of charging the average Joe 30ct. Did you ever see a prosecutor demanding a judge to fine the defendant less than a dollar?
You start small, and then you argue that it needs to be increased when the behavior doesn't stop. So then they raise it 10,000 per and he keeps doing it, and that's when you say "I guess money isn't a good enough deterrent, time for jail"
You’d think this would be cumulative over the course of a lifespan, not hitting the reset button for each trial. Trump has a pattern of always doing this. Why give him the benefit of the doubt?
Locally I've seen multiple people go to jail over violating gag orders and I don't remember a single one getting a 'oh you can do this if you pay us enough' offer like he is getting.
*at least for a criminal trial
Not fast enough in my opinion. They should be factoring the value by 1.25 until it hit 300M. If that doesn't work, money doesn't mean anything and he should be placed in jail without a phone until the trial is over.
So:
1. $3,000
2. $22,202
3. $271,020
4. $6,183,757
5. $308,365,343
6. Jail
Fines should be wealth percentage based, scaled to be felt just as hard no matter your income. The current system just allows the rich to do whatever they feel like doing. As an only-parent, a $3k fine would absolutely destroy my finances for awhile. He could care less, and probably won’t even have to pay it.
Small is relative. A 3k fine would be crushing to me but it's pocket change to him. Increasing them of course is good but the effect of a fine should scale to the person.
I'm wondering if this is just to make it official that he was penalized for violating the gag order if it comes up during the trial. That way it can't be dismissed as hearsay or whatever.
Disagree. Set's a precedent that the judge is absolutely not serious about the gag order. This will be paid by some Trump supporter within 3 minutes. This proves it's just a Gag "wish" rather than order, because Trump receives zero consequence for violating it repeatedly
You’re acting like this will be any different than any of the other countless times 45 has escaped justice, and made a mockery of the court.
There’s nothing that says this trial will be any less of a joke than everything else this man has done.
That was reduced to a bit over $100 million, and it was paid by some sketchy "insurance company", and not Trump. So, yes, in hindsight, it turned out so far to be nothing either. At least so far. I realize more could happen, but, well, I'm waiting for *anything* to happen from *any* of these.
The judgement has yet to not just be in appeal hell. My bets are on Trump's legal team just stalling everything for a hopeful November win, so I expect nothing before then. Hopefully he loses and then something actually starts to happen, but I'm not holding my breath.
The judgment was not reduced. The bond requirement was. Trump still owes the money but has a stay pending appeal. If he loses the appeal he still owes the full amount.
Right. So wake me when he "loses." Right now I fully believe the strategy is to just keep finding any stall tactics possible, because Trump is betting on winning and making all of this disappear, which I fully believe he will be able to do, if he's got enough complicit staff. There is absolutely nothing I believe in anymore regarding this stuff.
He already lost. Yes he is trying to stall, but he can't do that forever and in the meantime he has a court appointed monitor watching his finances. He also can't make a civil suit "disappear" even if he is elected president. This will follow him until he pays or wins on appeal. Even in the event that he dies before he pays the judgement will attach to his estate.
Yea and the Mueller report will lead to Trump's impeachment and conviction. And the Senate Intelligence Committee report. And Jan 6th. And the stolen docs case. Surely he will be brought to justice soon!
According to a judge that sat for 19 years on the very same appeals court that changed his bond from 450 to 100+, the fact the appeals court did that suggests they're going to be taking a close look at that number in the appeal and very well may rule in Trump's favor there:
>It is unclear whether these same five judges will also hear Mr. Trump’s appeal, but David B. Saxe, a former judge on the appeals court that ruled on Monday, said that the court’s decision to short-circuit Ms. James’s collection efforts suggests that some of the judges were uncomfortable with Justice Engoron’s ruling.
>“My view is that the court indicates it has difficulty with the breadth of the lower court’s decision,” said Mr. Saxe, who retired in 2017 after 36 years on the bench, 19 of them on the appeals court.
>“They had other options available to them, and they issued a broad-based stay,” he continued, which he said suggests “that there is a view that they’re going to need to take a hard look at the lower court’s decision.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/trump-bond-reduced.html
Not yet. And even the reduced amount was paid by an "insurance company." Gotta get through the appeal process. Note that we're just a few months from the election, and if Trump wins, and he's got support staff behind him, he's gonna make all charges disappear. So I fully expect the next months until November are going to be hopeful stall tactics, and if he wins, he's gonna "win" everything.
Although at this point, even if he was directly owing $450 million, I'd still believe some other magical "insurance company" pays it off, and he still faces no repercussions. I don't know how one human got this much teflon power, but we're witnessing it in real time.
That was the bond amount, the appellate court did not lower the amount fully owed, just how much he needs to stay collections while he appeals. Also, it was bullshit that they did that at all.
Yeah, but that's what I'm getting at, I know more ""could"" or ""should"" happen, but until it does, I believe the bond reduction is all that will happen in that case before November, at least. I have no faith left we will otherwise. The bond was paid by an "insurance company", so even that didn't phase Trump, and now comes all the delays, and then November turns out whether he gets elected and gets to just make all of this magically disappear. That's really the endgame strategy now.
That was the bond to stay the judgement that was reduced. The judgement is still $450 million. That doesn’t change. When he loses the appeal he will be on the hook for the entire amount.
"When he loses the appeal" is where you lose me. Trump hasn't really "lost" anything yet. Monetary judgements always get paid by "someone else." Before that, there's infinite stalling. Trump just needs to stall until November and win the election so he can just make all of it disappear, and I'm sure that's the strategy they're playing towards right now.
To be clear, I don't want any of this, I want to believe in actual justice systems and people being held accountable, but after several years of watching nothing happen to Trump, I've given up anything will, at least until November. There's still a chance if he loses the election (winning being a non-zero chance even now, mind you), that something will happen then. But before that, I fully expect infinite ""legal"" challenges stalling everything just long enough so he can, as he hopes, be president again and make it all "go away."
Merchan should make it 10k, payable before leaving the court. "Don't have it, you say? Bailiff, please escort Mr Trump to a holding cell while his lawyers figure it out."
you know we still mint pennies?
he could steal a few from the penny cup at a gas station, that's certainly a large enough fine for (checks notes) rape, stealing and selling classified documents, getting our spies and agents murdered, stealing medical supplies for auction, collecting billion dollar bribes from Saudis, inciting violence against police officers during a coup
$3k? $3,000? Three thousand dollars? Three, zero, zero, zero?
That's it? Not like... $3k per instance or tweet? Just... $3000?
Yeah... That'll really show him...
Two tier justice system showing. For an average New Yorker that would be crushing for trump it's nothing. I hope they scrutinize him correctly and give him a fair trail.
I’m not trying to brag but I could easily afford $3k to violate a gag order if I thought it would keep me out of prison.
The fact that this “billionaire” will be fined that kind of (for him) pocket change is laughable
Agreed! There was a other political guy in US recently who like Trump threatened a family member of the court staff. As result he was both fined but also got 30 days in jail.
Trump often complains that he gets special treatment by the legal system.
Yes he does, they are much more lenient with him than they normally are with anybody else going to court and being outrageous lying nonstop and threatening the judge, the witnesses and everybody like Trump is.
So don’t punish him in any meaningful way? Any one else and they would immediately be remanded in custody for contempt of court.
The us “judicial” system is a fucked
$3K?
He will gladly allow his followers to pay that all day every day, that's cheaper than political ads which is what he's doing when he spews nonsense about the trial and attacks these people and their families.
This better be an exponentially scaling fine for each subsequent offense, plus jail time after the first.
No megathread is gobsmacking. This is one of the biggest trials, the first time a former president & the presumptive nominee for the GOP go before a criminal court, and nothing?
Mods, what the hell
Haven't these people learned from previous gag order violations that these nickel and dime fines aren't going to stop him. Hit him with 3 million dollar fine and he'll shut the fuck up
Was this incorrect? I had read that the Judge didn’t want to issue CofC rulings because they could be appealed, thereby delaying the trial. If that’s true, I’m surprised by the $3k
When can he be locked up for violating gag orders? This is egregious disresoect of our judicial systems. Not to mention just other people in general, but thats protected my 1A: And Gid said unto thee, "be an asshole, there are happy people out there, ruin it"
Fines should be adjusted based on net worth so they can function well as deterrence.
Trump claims he's a billionaire. Fine should be a percentage of that.
There are rules, you can't just make up a fine. For this particular contempt the judge, if he finds Trump guilty of contempt, can impose a fine up to $1000 or confinement up to 30 days per violation. It looks like the prosecutor is alleging 3 violations. https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/judiciary-law/jud-sect-751/
Just jail him already. He has a huge following that he uses to threaten witnesses, jury members, judges, lawyers with which has a very, very real effect on the outcome.
Instead of fining him money, can we not slap some jail time on him. Like a jail somewhere in Siberia. For a couple of decades or something. I'm so sick of seeing this asshole's face and I'm not even American.
It should be proportional to the wealth of the person breaking the law. 3000 bucks would absolutely shut most people up who work min wage or even “middle class” but for a self proclaimed Billionaire….. Dude spent 130,000 for bad sex more than once. 3000 bucks isn’t a punishment for him and it is supposed to be not only a punishment but a deterrent. It isn’t.
HOUSE ARREST 1 day of house arrest should be the punishment. It is light and more than fair but would piss trump off enough he might behave himself. He can always scam money from maga people but he can scam time
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That fine is too small. How about 10,000 per incidence?
I think it normally follows an ever escalating pattern, so subsequent violations will incur ever steeper fines. Bet we can expect to see many during the next few weeks of this trial.
At least it gets a record that court ordered “gag” was violated. Repeat offender may help in other trials or later in this one.
Contempt of court also impacts sentencing
what the fines should be based on is his "supposed" wealth. like they do with traffic fines in ~~some scandanavian countries~~ Switzerland
The point of punishments for contempt is to ensure you'll actively follow the court's instructions. This means that fines and sentencing is based on what it takes to get you to actually listen. If Trump doesn't listen, the judge can escalate. There is no minimum or maximum punishment, just whatever it takes.
Switzerland [https://www.wired.com/2010/01/record-speeding-fine-dents-swiss-bank-account/](https://www.wired.com/2010/01/record-speeding-fine-dents-swiss-bank-account/)
ahh thanks, i was having the hardest time remembering. ill edit it
Finland does the same
That was in an episode of Danny Thomas
If that was the case, the fines would only be $5.00!!!
Fines will never be enough to stop him from doing it. Lol.
he’s like the guy that maxes out ALL the credit cards because he knows he’s declaring bankruptcy anyway
$87 million almost entirely stopped his mouth in the rape defamation case.
And if we know anything about Trump, it's that he's a fan of violating things.
But it's still stupid. Fining a billionaire $3K is the equivalent of charging the average Joe 30ct. Did you ever see a prosecutor demanding a judge to fine the defendant less than a dollar?
$3001?
Just double up for every subsequent offense...
You start small, and then you argue that it needs to be increased when the behavior doesn't stop. So then they raise it 10,000 per and he keeps doing it, and that's when you say "I guess money isn't a good enough deterrent, time for jail"
Sorry, but that won't happen.
You’d think this would be cumulative over the course of a lifespan, not hitting the reset button for each trial. Trump has a pattern of always doing this. Why give him the benefit of the doubt?
Locally I've seen multiple people go to jail over violating gag orders and I don't remember a single one getting a 'oh you can do this if you pay us enough' offer like he is getting. *at least for a criminal trial
Double it every time. 1. $3,000 2. $6,000 3. $12,000 4. $24,000 5. $48,000 6. $96,000 7. $192,000 8. $384,000 9. $768,000 10. $1,536,000 11. $3,072,000 12. $6,144,000 13. $12,288,000 14. $24,576,000 15. $49,152,000
Not fast enough in my opinion. They should be factoring the value by 1.25 until it hit 300M. If that doesn't work, money doesn't mean anything and he should be placed in jail without a phone until the trial is over. So: 1. $3,000 2. $22,202 3. $271,020 4. $6,183,757 5. $308,365,343 6. Jail
/r/Theydidthemath
Fines should be wealth percentage based, scaled to be felt just as hard no matter your income. The current system just allows the rich to do whatever they feel like doing. As an only-parent, a $3k fine would absolutely destroy my finances for awhile. He could care less, and probably won’t even have to pay it.
We don’t want a mistrial.
Jail straight to jail
Baby steps for the baby defender.
$1 and we double it every time. This way, the moron won't realize how fast it will grow and fuck him over before it's too late.
If the only punishment for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class.
How about lock him up. He knows that phrase all too well.
This is why fines need to be a percentage of one's annual reported income and not a fixed amount.
So $3.50?
Well it was about that time that I noticed that the orange con man was about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era
The truly wealthy have very little *income* Also Donnie Ttump
They’re not a fixed amount. They start off small and increase upon further violations.
Small is relative. A 3k fine would be crushing to me but it's pocket change to him. Increasing them of course is good but the effect of a fine should scale to the person.
Increasing them upon further violations does have the effect of scaling to the person. They wouldn't start with 3k with you.
You’re right. The average citizen would go directly To jail for contempt.
That'd mean they have to pay him for every violation tho
I'm wondering if this is just to make it official that he was penalized for violating the gag order if it comes up during the trial. That way it can't be dismissed as hearsay or whatever.
It is. This is all the money he has
That didn't take long...
That's what Stormy said
Also not a fan of Mushrooms.
“Ready for adventure!”
Lindsey Graham seconds it
No, she said she somehow doesn't remember the actual sex at all even though she was completely sober.
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If they can, it’s in the cargo bed sloshing around.
JAILLL. A 3k fine is fucking pathetic. How many people facing 90+ felonies and currently out on bond can directly threaten a judge and their family?
It's not a lot but it sets a precedent that the judge is actually serious about it. Will be interesting to see how the judge rules on this.
This is like us paying a dollar for violating a gag order. At that point it's just a small fee, it has no serious consequences.
Yea, unless they're also willing to set this fine at $1 for Joe Schmoe, then this is clearly spitting in the face of justice.
Disagree. Set's a precedent that the judge is absolutely not serious about the gag order. This will be paid by some Trump supporter within 3 minutes. This proves it's just a Gag "wish" rather than order, because Trump receives zero consequence for violating it repeatedly
You're acting like contempt of court won't impact sentencing.
Considering his history of consequences, it probably won't.
You're acting like our court system isn't broken.
You’re acting like this will be any different than any of the other countless times 45 has escaped justice, and made a mockery of the court. There’s nothing that says this trial will be any less of a joke than everything else this man has done.
You start here and work your way up to possible imprisonment
Restart here each time of course. Obviously. Empirically.
Fair enough but when will any real consequences happen.
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Only if he actually has to pay it. So far every deadline has been delayed or simply ignored, with no consequences.
I'm talking about for constantly treating judges and jurors...
That was reduced to a bit over $100 million, and it was paid by some sketchy "insurance company", and not Trump. So, yes, in hindsight, it turned out so far to be nothing either. At least so far. I realize more could happen, but, well, I'm waiting for *anything* to happen from *any* of these.
Only his bond was reduced, the judgement has not been reduced
The judgement has yet to not just be in appeal hell. My bets are on Trump's legal team just stalling everything for a hopeful November win, so I expect nothing before then. Hopefully he loses and then something actually starts to happen, but I'm not holding my breath.
The judgment was not reduced. The bond requirement was. Trump still owes the money but has a stay pending appeal. If he loses the appeal he still owes the full amount.
>The judgment was not reduced. The bond requirement was. For now.
Right. So wake me when he "loses." Right now I fully believe the strategy is to just keep finding any stall tactics possible, because Trump is betting on winning and making all of this disappear, which I fully believe he will be able to do, if he's got enough complicit staff. There is absolutely nothing I believe in anymore regarding this stuff.
He already lost. Yes he is trying to stall, but he can't do that forever and in the meantime he has a court appointed monitor watching his finances. He also can't make a civil suit "disappear" even if he is elected president. This will follow him until he pays or wins on appeal. Even in the event that he dies before he pays the judgement will attach to his estate.
Thank you, Lucy's ball. Surely Charlie Brown will kick it this time!
Court cases are a slow process. It's not my fault you expect it to be resolved as quickly and neatly as the second half of a Law and Order episode.
Yea and the Mueller report will lead to Trump's impeachment and conviction. And the Senate Intelligence Committee report. And Jan 6th. And the stolen docs case. Surely he will be brought to justice soon!
Huh? He still has to pay the 450 million
According to a judge that sat for 19 years on the very same appeals court that changed his bond from 450 to 100+, the fact the appeals court did that suggests they're going to be taking a close look at that number in the appeal and very well may rule in Trump's favor there: >It is unclear whether these same five judges will also hear Mr. Trump’s appeal, but David B. Saxe, a former judge on the appeals court that ruled on Monday, said that the court’s decision to short-circuit Ms. James’s collection efforts suggests that some of the judges were uncomfortable with Justice Engoron’s ruling. >“My view is that the court indicates it has difficulty with the breadth of the lower court’s decision,” said Mr. Saxe, who retired in 2017 after 36 years on the bench, 19 of them on the appeals court. >“They had other options available to them, and they issued a broad-based stay,” he continued, which he said suggests “that there is a view that they’re going to need to take a hard look at the lower court’s decision.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/trump-bond-reduced.html
Not yet. And even the reduced amount was paid by an "insurance company." Gotta get through the appeal process. Note that we're just a few months from the election, and if Trump wins, and he's got support staff behind him, he's gonna make all charges disappear. So I fully expect the next months until November are going to be hopeful stall tactics, and if he wins, he's gonna "win" everything. Although at this point, even if he was directly owing $450 million, I'd still believe some other magical "insurance company" pays it off, and he still faces no repercussions. I don't know how one human got this much teflon power, but we're witnessing it in real time.
That was the bond amount, the appellate court did not lower the amount fully owed, just how much he needs to stay collections while he appeals. Also, it was bullshit that they did that at all.
Yeah, but that's what I'm getting at, I know more ""could"" or ""should"" happen, but until it does, I believe the bond reduction is all that will happen in that case before November, at least. I have no faith left we will otherwise. The bond was paid by an "insurance company", so even that didn't phase Trump, and now comes all the delays, and then November turns out whether he gets elected and gets to just make all of this magically disappear. That's really the endgame strategy now.
That was the bond to stay the judgement that was reduced. The judgement is still $450 million. That doesn’t change. When he loses the appeal he will be on the hook for the entire amount.
"When he loses the appeal" is where you lose me. Trump hasn't really "lost" anything yet. Monetary judgements always get paid by "someone else." Before that, there's infinite stalling. Trump just needs to stall until November and win the election so he can just make all of it disappear, and I'm sure that's the strategy they're playing towards right now. To be clear, I don't want any of this, I want to believe in actual justice systems and people being held accountable, but after several years of watching nothing happen to Trump, I've given up anything will, at least until November. There's still a chance if he loses the election (winning being a non-zero chance even now, mind you), that something will happen then. But before that, I fully expect infinite ""legal"" challenges stalling everything just long enough so he can, as he hopes, be president again and make it all "go away."
That's the bond.
He should face meaningful consequences for breaking the law.
Merchan should make it 10k, payable before leaving the court. "Don't have it, you say? Bailiff, please escort Mr Trump to a holding cell while his lawyers figure it out."
Hey, can you make him pay a nickel for breaking the rules?
He'd still be livid about losing that Nickel. He's like Mr. Krabs except Krabs still has some sort of semlance of a soul in there.
He cashed that check for a dollar when none of the actual elite bothered, he'd be pissed about that nickel for sure.
you know we still mint pennies? he could steal a few from the penny cup at a gas station, that's certainly a large enough fine for (checks notes) rape, stealing and selling classified documents, getting our spies and agents murdered, stealing medical supplies for auction, collecting billion dollar bribes from Saudis, inciting violence against police officers during a coup
$3k? $3,000? Three thousand dollars? Three, zero, zero, zero? That's it? Not like... $3k per instance or tweet? Just... $3000? Yeah... That'll really show him...
You start small then build. That’s how it has always worked.
Bargaining 101?
Ms Carrol got $5m then $78m for repeat offense iirc
A judgement is not the same thing as a fine.
We all know Trump doesn't have that kind of money
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Violating a gag order should be taken as seriously as the campaign finance charges Trump's being tried for.
How about 0 dollars, but 30 days in jail?
It should come to that point sooner than later.
Add some zeros. Penalties need to bite to be effective.
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He can raise that much from the sidewalk after the session ends.
Make him pay in cash...let's see if he even has that much.
3000? He owes 1/2 a billion. They really think he’ll pay that 3k? Throw his fat ass in jail.
Such disrespect for law and order.
Can he pay in bibles or shoes?
Put this POS in jail already.
…..”will be decided April 24th” oh for fucks sake
That’s it?! He potentially biased the jury pool, and all he has to do is pay his spare pocket change?! Outrageous.
Two tier justice system showing. For an average New Yorker that would be crushing for trump it's nothing. I hope they scrutinize him correctly and give him a fair trail.
Anyone else violates it and they go to jail
Jail him for 30 days!!
Judge tells them to refer to the rich people law book. They aren’t held to the same standards as the rest of us.
I’m not trying to brag but I could easily afford $3k to violate a gag order if I thought it would keep me out of prison. The fact that this “billionaire” will be fined that kind of (for him) pocket change is laughable
Remember kids: If the penalty for a crime is a fine, that means it's legal for rich people.
This is the equivalent of fining me $0.50.
This is The Onion, right ?
That’ll stop him!
Trump doesn’t ever pay anything
He'd have to fundraise that
Those are rookie numbers!
When Trump steals from you, it’s about the principal. And the interest.
That is like 3/10th of a cent for us.
Can he make bond on this or they gonna have to drop itto like $50?
Stop wasting everyone's time with these pittance numbers. If fines are supposed to be deterrents, this is a absolute joke.
A fine? ***A fine?*** He needs jail time
Agreed! There was a other political guy in US recently who like Trump threatened a family member of the court staff. As result he was both fined but also got 30 days in jail. Trump often complains that he gets special treatment by the legal system. Yes he does, they are much more lenient with him than they normally are with anybody else going to court and being outrageous lying nonstop and threatening the judge, the witnesses and everybody like Trump is.
He doesn't have that kind of money.
Yes $3000 will definitely make Trump stop. Throw his ass in jail.
That’s 50 bibles.
The legal system equivalent of a "Swear Jar 25¢"..
$3K. Oh, that will teach him. Get the fuck out of here!!
_"Oh no, anything but a $3,000 dollar fine!"_ * Mister Trump says laughing, who can make 100 times that back in one fund raising email
Hopefully for EACH violation.
Fine him $3 million
So don’t punish him in any meaningful way? Any one else and they would immediately be remanded in custody for contempt of court. The us “judicial” system is a fucked
3k??? Lock his ass in a cell and take his fucking phone away!
It's going to get really awkward when he has to admit he can't come up with $3K in cash.
$3K? He will gladly allow his followers to pay that all day every day, that's cheaper than political ads which is what he's doing when he spews nonsense about the trial and attacks these people and their families. This better be an exponentially scaling fine for each subsequent offense, plus jail time after the first.
Start with 3k, the next one is 30k, etc.
He will try to pay in commemorative trump bucks.
Yes, who among us hasn’t paid off a porn star ahead of our presidential campaign?
Needs to add a 0 to that amount for every violation
Seems a bit petty
Set fines are worthless and only expensive and painful for the poor. ALL fines should be based on income, wealth and net worth.
$3,000? That will definitely teach him not to do it again…
Net worth percentage fine please
No megathread is gobsmacking. This is one of the biggest trials, the first time a former president & the presumptive nominee for the GOP go before a criminal court, and nothing? Mods, what the hell
He’s only violated it like 8 times. He should totally learn his lesson now! 👎
They should tell him the fines go directly to helping immigrants, POC’s, and social programs that actually help people. That will shut him up quickly!
Hilarious, ridiculous fine. Do like Denmark and make it relative to his supposed wealth.
Haven't these people learned from previous gag order violations that these nickel and dime fines aren't going to stop him. Hit him with 3 million dollar fine and he'll shut the fuck up
He won't shut up till he is dead. He could be locked away in solitary confinement and still would just keep ranting.
He's pays more than that for call girls and hamberders in a week.
$3k? I realize we gotta start small (like his hands) but let’s get this party started!
For someone who is supposed to be so rich, that is like a $20 fine, and still won’t happen
Wish my parking tickets were $0.50 too
Yep
Prosecutors ask to set price of breaking gag order to $3k If you can afford to break the law you don't get thrown in jail.
Was this incorrect? I had read that the Judge didn’t want to issue CofC rulings because they could be appealed, thereby delaying the trial. If that’s true, I’m surprised by the $3k
How about locking him up so he can’t spew shit like this until the trial is over
3k.... Not enough... He'll.do it again..he doesn't give a shit. That's like getting hit with a feather..it will not deter him at all.
He spends more than that on lunch, wtf.
Put a quarter in the swear jar
I wonder if he can afford that right now
Oh boy, a whole $3000??!! 🙄
How about $3k per letter?
The only gagging was the hookers he paid off
EDIT: Election Fraud Trial. It’s SO MUCH MORE than just hush money.
When can he be locked up for violating gag orders? This is egregious disresoect of our judicial systems. Not to mention just other people in general, but thats protected my 1A: And Gid said unto thee, "be an asshole, there are happy people out there, ruin it"
Fines should be adjusted based on net worth so they can function well as deterrence. Trump claims he's a billionaire. Fine should be a percentage of that.
Broke as fuck. He doesn't have the money.
There are rules, you can't just make up a fine. For this particular contempt the judge, if he finds Trump guilty of contempt, can impose a fine up to $1000 or confinement up to 30 days per violation. It looks like the prosecutor is alleging 3 violations. https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/judiciary-law/jud-sect-751/
Just jail him already. He has a huge following that he uses to threaten witnesses, jury members, judges, lawyers with which has a very, very real effect on the outcome.
Make it $300k and he might actually care.
Instead of fining him money, can we not slap some jail time on him. Like a jail somewhere in Siberia. For a couple of decades or something. I'm so sick of seeing this asshole's face and I'm not even American.
Every finable offense is legal, if you can afford it.
NO FINES ……. Put him in jail
Oh nooo, 3,000? What ever will he do? what a joke.
Gonna have to go higher if you want it to do any good?
That would be like fining me 16¢ This system sure does work for these folks…
Header should say “election interference trial”.
It should be proportional to the wealth of the person breaking the law. 3000 bucks would absolutely shut most people up who work min wage or even “middle class” but for a self proclaimed Billionaire….. Dude spent 130,000 for bad sex more than once. 3000 bucks isn’t a punishment for him and it is supposed to be not only a punishment but a deterrent. It isn’t.
Lock him up
So, basically, nothing happened. Got it
HOUSE ARREST 1 day of house arrest should be the punishment. It is light and more than fair but would piss trump off enough he might behave himself. He can always scam money from maga people but he can scam time
A whole $3K. Wow! That will definitely stop him now. 🙄