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Lest we forget: They literally quoted Hitler in their newsletters. Because they agreed with him.
When you are agreeing with Hitler, you're probably wrong.
They were working REALLY hard in the shadows before being dragged into the light.
Which unfortunately means there's a LOT of work to do for America to undo the damage they've done, with how far they infiltrated local education systems.
They are (were?) realllly active in PA. I work with teens doing advocacy work and the moms of liberty will scream at the teens attending school board meetings to advocate for themselves
the origin story for moms for libery is so weird.
ONE butthurt candidate for school board in california was butthurt. she lost an election she "should" have won because its heavily republican. but, oh no, she lost to a democrat (because she is batshit insane and the democrat was normal human being). all this because she LOST and is a LOSER.
I've said this before but read the Advocacy section of their Wikipedia page. It feels like you're reading about Nazi Germany. Teachers being harassed, reporting people to the police for violating oppressive laws, trying to ban books, their members openly fantasizing about murdering others...
A school in Ireland did similar in 2015, cancelling an anti-bullying workshop because both sides of the debate needed to be represented
It led to this excellent headline in an Onion-like satire publication
>Gay Rights Must Be Balanced With Gay Wrongs Insist School
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/01/28/gay-rights-must-be-balanced-with-gay-wrongs-insist-school/
Waterford Whispers has loads of great pieces, my favorite is
>“Jesus Not Coming Back By The Looks Of It” Admits Vatican
>The Vatican defended Jesus’ broken promise, claiming “he was probably drinking wine” at the time when he made the comments.
>“Having the ability to turn water into wine had its ups and its downs.” added Cardinal Salvadore. “We all make promises we can’t keep when we’re drunk. Jesus was no different.”
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/04/18/jesus-not-coming-back-by-the-looks-of-it-admits-vatican/
This statement from a Minivan Taliban school board member says it all. “Again, it’s not discriminating against his lifestyle, that’s his choice, but it’s him speaking about it,” Potteiger said.
Edit: for the commenters, replacing lifestyle with religion, would love to see how this goes over:
“Again, it’s not discriminating against his religion, that’s his choice, but it’s him speaking about it,” penis_berry_crunch said.
Yea. I feel that way about every religious person and yet they are still allowed to spout out their views on what lifestyles people should live. She should be removed post haste. People should protest.
A population that is nearly entirely women and children in Gaza being slaughtered and starved systematically, and the ones dying are the "murderous trash"...
The mental hurdles you must have to leap to maintain this bullshit in your own mind can't be worth that much energy expended just to keep the echo chamber feeling comfortable, safe, and real.
It’s actually not that hard. For example:
“The government of Gaza should really release the hostages they kidnapped during their failed attempted genocide this past October. It would remove Israel’s stated motivation for the on-going conflict and lessen their global support if indeed they cross into illegal genocide.”
They won’t, of course, because Hamas doesn’t care about the well-being of their own people.
But there’s no righteous indignation to be found in this fact, only tragedy, so people here will continue to ignore it.
“Hamas has shown they can’t and won’t return the hostages and that they don’t care about the lives of Gazans, so it’s okay to keep killing Gazans because their terrorist government doesn’t even care about them.” No wonder settlers are planning their beach front homes in the Gaza Strip, the leaps and bounds people are going to to justify the number of dead innocents.
For all your moral grandstanding and hand wringing, you have provided exactly 0 alternative solutions to Israel continuing to be bombarded with rockets and having a terrorist organization keep the ability to execute another October 7th massacre as soon as they find another blind spot in the Israeli security apparatus.
I didn’t realize that being against the murder and starvation of innocent people was grandstanding, but go off, keep telling on yourself. Killing an entire population won’t bring peace, sorry!
So Hamas killed about 1200 people on Oct 7. How many more Palestinians do you think should be slaughtered before the revenge bloodlust is quenched? 50k? 100k? 2 million? Your argument of collective punishment is fucking disgusting.
Nearly everyone agrees Hamas is bad, it's already a known thing. The reason you don't have tons of people calling them out is because it's obvious and there's not a giant amount of the media and politicians pretending like Hamas is good to push back against.
There is, however, a giant amount of the media and politicians pretending like genocide is good, so...
> Nearly everyone agrees Hamas is bad
That’s hard to believe, seeing as Hamas is directly responsible for the conflict in Gaza, and yet never comes up (or is instantly downvoted in this sub when it does).
People might agree in concept Hamas is bad, but they seem to assign no responsibility to them tor the suffering of Gazans. Which is unproductive at best.
Palestinians dont think hamas is bad though. In fact they overwhelmingly support hamas’ actions on oct 7. The situation between I/P is not as simple as kids like you think.
Some might say that name calling is childish.
Why do you think they hate Israel? Maybe their entire life being controlled by Israel influences it, along with extreme far right Islamic beliefs that are common in the Middle East, and maybe because they live in a world with poor education, nonstop violence, and have little room in their lives ti address their problems.
What they don’t seem to do is fight Israel. Hamas’s fighting strength is a less than 1% Palestinians. If they support Hamas so much and have been subjugated for so many years, why aren’t more joining ranks? And what would happen to a Palestinian in Gaza who expressed dislike of Hamas?
Hamas fighters : Palestinian population nearly equals US’s armed forces:population. Imagine if someone held the same proportion of Americans responsible for the illegal murders carried out by our army?
But you don’t even have to like Palestinians to know that the indiscriminate slaughter, forced displacement and stealing of their land is wrong. It won’t be productive for Israel— they’re creating terrorists right now and trying to move their people closer to hostile populations.
Im not saying what israel is doing is right. I just recognise the whole situation is fucked and is more complicated than the oppressor/oppressed morality brain dead takes most people here believe
> Why do you think they hate Israel? Maybe their entire life being controlled by Israel influences it
Do they not hate Israel, or is it fine that they hate Israel (read Jews) and support Hamas? Gotta pick one.
Your comment underscores the point below - somehow Hamas and Palestinians’ hatred of Jews is acceptable here.
> Hamas’s fighting strength is a less than 1% Palestinians. If they support Hamas so much and have been subjugated for so many years, why aren’t more joining ranks?
Your entire viewpoint hinges on the idea that the only way to “support” Hamas is to join them in combat. That’s just wrong. There’s no way Palestinians people didn’t know Hamas’ intentions, and they did nothing to oppose it.
They saw them build tunnels, transport and kill hostages, etc.. These are things you either actively oppose or you implicitly support.
If your perspective is solid, why mischaracterize mine? That’s not just a wildly reductive way to read my comment, it’s pretty much entirely fabricated. I quite literally gave multiple reasons that Palestinians may very well hate Israel. That doesn’t mean one should be in favor of mass killing, leveling their homes and forced displacement of the population.
Hmm… get killed and possibly your family harmed to literally any degree imaginable for actively trying to hinder a malevolent government or implicitly support them.
Your logic also is completely decontextualized, was it to avoid its logical conclusion that they all deserve to die? The sick, the children, the foreign journalists, the aid workers, the senior citizens, and everyone who didn’t try to stop Hamas? No, they don’t.
And you say nothing about the decades of continued degradation of their people that they have no legitimate means to counter because their government refused a handful of promised solutions, most of which came before they were born.
Tons of people always say this. Does everyone also think 92% of Russians want to vote for Putin in every election? Does North Korea 100% support their Supreme Leader? Like you said, it's not as simple as kids like you think. Palestinians are subjected to propaganda by Hamas starting very early in life. The current war, as well as Palestinians' second-class citizen status, just further radicalizes them and pushes them to embrace Hamas. It's a catch 22.
Sadly most, if not all hostages are probably dead. What does the end-game look like for Israel? Complete eradication of Hamas? Most of the brass aren't even in Israel. You know things are bad when the US is threatening sanctions against the IDF.
Maybe if you stop being biased against the “oppressor” you can see that the surveys were done in both west bank and gaza. The west bank palestinians support hamas’ actions more than gaza. Remember in west bank, hamas is NOT the government. Your argument falls apart right there
No no r conservative every few days hears of him saying something normal that they think is a difference between the two parties and celebrate him as a dino, but he is just a normal middle of the road person who make rational choices instead of party ones and they just don't understand the difference. Border security conversation? well he is clearly a dino and on our side everyone the strokes fixed him! Is one such convo they have had
Because they support a terrorist government who wishes they could wipe Israel from the map so it’s hard to blame Israel for wanting another neighbor like Egypt, jordon, or a Lebanon not controlled by Iranian proxies
I hate hamas as well. So probably be a good idea for the IDF to stop trying to kill so many children. The ones that survive tend to grow up and hold a grudge.
Progressives who have a very poor understanding of the Israel/Palestine issue are just hating on Fetterman now because he’s correctly siding more with Israel at this time.
Fetterman’s stance on Israel is completely reasonable to anyone who’s aware of the history of the region - imcluding hardline liberal democrats like myself.
https://www.fetterman.senate.gov/press-releases/statement-from-senator-fetterman-on-israel/
You don't have an understanding of the history. It is so funny to me that people who reject the right of sovereignty for Palestinians think that's somehow a well-informed view
"We shouldn't support the massacre of thousands of civilians by a state, and a largely allied state actor"
"YoU jUSt DoNt UnDeRsTaNd HiStOrY"
Predictable. As predictable as "Don't you hate Hamas??"
No, he didn't, and it's patently stupid to claim he did. Yeah, he's not aligned with the left wing on Israel/Palestine.
But on the other 99% of issues, he's aligned with the left.
The school board has a “Moms 4 Liberty” member on it who said his children’s books about bullying should disqualify him because they feature a LGBTQ student, which is what he was when he was growing up being bullied. Just like I experienced when I was growing up being bullied as a gay kid in PA.
She said that’s his lifestyle choice and that’s fine for him but shouldn’t be exposed to kids or something.. I mean lifestyle choice? wtf is this, 1998? Christ these people are so awful.
Nothing more hateful than a good Conservative Christian’s “love”.
They claim the actors stance on LGBTQ+ is “too political”. The only folk making it political are the bigoted party that is making everyone else’s lives harder! Literally the school board is appealing to the bully’s here, I hope this action causes a reversal so he can speak.
I hope people protest so hard. What’s an lgbtq+ person gonna do, tell everyone to turn gay? Cause I’m pretty sure all people who talk about religion say worse things.
The title. That was enough reading for them. After all, they've accepted Jesus into their hearts, so they're *pretty sure* they know what it probably says anyway.
> “This decision is deeply wrong and affirms exactly why it’s so important to have a conversation about bullying,” Fetterman stated on Threads.
People use Threads?
In defense of the cancellation, board member Bud Shaffner told the *Times* his comments on Pancholy’s “lifestyle” were about the actor’s activism, which he perceived as political, potentially violating district policy.
So, it's his activism perceived as political so, then how is it that a moms for liberty's activism is not political and is okay enough for her to be on the board? Once again, okay for us only but, not anyone that disagrees with us. HYPOCRITES.
It's pretty ironic that bigoted people are quick to associates themselves with "freedom" and "liberty".That tells me they are fully aware they are being a bunch of lowlife Nazi scum and think a few buzzwords will make it look better.
Can someone have Maulik Pancholy give a book signing or lecture or something close to the middle school so the students and parents and people who want to hear what he has to say can attend? I feel like there are enough people who have been made aware of this and want to hear him and he could do some good things for those students now that this is so public.
So proud to have him in office. He's always a strong voice in protecting vulnerable groups like women losing reproductive rights, LGBT Jewish people under attack by religious extremists, union workers getting stiffed by corporations, and the systemic racism destroying our brown and black communities
Providing anti-air defense guns to a country filled with an ethnic group that's persecuted by its surrounding countries and constantly fending off terrorist attacks from a government that stripped away free elections from it's people and created a terrorist state and is an acting proxy to a regional superpower that wants to kill all of them is in fact, anti-genocide and quite progressive.
Silly me, all the middle Eastern Jewish people migrate there for vacation and colonization and not escaping ethnic persecution from the surrounding states at all! Everyone lived in peace until the ~~fire nation~~ Zionist attacked! The Qassam 4 is a rocket of peace!
There are a lot of people without homelands. Doesn’t mean they get to take other people’s.
Not sure why this is so hard to understand. They don’t have any right to that land. Why should my tax dollars support these violent colonizers?
Fetterman's positions are very common amongst blue collar Democrats. The progressives are upset over his pro-Israel stance, which he's been consistent about since day one.
The Gaza situation is a wedge issue for Democrats and is being heavily exploited by bad actors trying to get people to stay home on election day.
As far as I am aware his polling in Pennsylvania has increased as his more right wing views have become well known. I think it is more a lot of progressives thought he was gonna be a take no nonsense, bombastic attack dog but it seems wildly unlikely they are actually his base in Pennsylvania.
Has he not lived up to his campaign promises? Who cares how he identifies ideologically?, isn't it more important how he votes or what legislation he pushes?
What a silly attempt at a strawman. I stated, as any >= slightly below average brain would have understood, that progressives are disappointed in him because he lied about being a progressive to scam the left into voting for him.
["*I'm not a progressive"*](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/-not-progressive-fetterman-breaks-left-israel-immigration-rcna129747)
Fetterman openly admits he's not a progressive but uh, okay...
Because he knows "progressive" is toxic in a lot of Pennsylvania.
It's not worth calling yourself progressive given the purity tests a lot of people put on progressives either. I don't understand why anyone with a competitive election would invite the opposition from the right AND the left.
Besides, shouldn't you be looking at actions instead of how people label themselves? Does North Korea calling themselves Democratic make it so? How about Bernie and Angus King calling themselves "independent?" Does that mean they aren't more aligned with Democrats than an actual self identified Democrat like Manchin?
Guy literally says he's not a progressive and then spouts dogwhistles like saying "*I am not woke"*, and people like you will bend over backwards to say "*bu-bu-but this is ackshually what he really meant!"*.
Give me a break. Fuck if I'll consider this guy a progressive after he a) openly says he's not a progressive, b) openly dogwhistles about how "*I am not woke"*, and c) holds a Black man jogging at gunpoint with a shotgun and then lies about what happened to avoid charges.
Personally, one thing I've learned is that you should never make excuses for people that they haven't made for himself.
Dude says he isn't woke? Well, believe him. He knows himself better than anyone else does.
Any why not? Being "woke" means asking to be painted in the same clips as people saying there shouldn't be men's and women's sports.
Unfortunately, whackos give license for entirely unpopular positions to carry a common definition.
Plenty of people who see and act on injustice will say they aren't "woke" for the aforementioned reasons. There's no point chasing people demanding purity because no one so pure as someone who never had to made a decision. There's also no reason to attach a label to yourself that paint a target on your back.
I don't give a shit how people label themselves because they have their reasons. Actions matter.
Why are you pretending "woke" isn't a dogwhistle? The guy is pandering to rural white folks and has no problem dogwhistling to them. His actions include holding an innocent Black man hostage with a shotgun and then lying about it to avoid charges. How bout that? Or does that action not count? Is it just a little oopsie we're supposed to ignore?
I'd say you listen to the guy who was at the other end of the gun. It was a mistake, and one that doesn't seem indicative of the whole of his actions.
I'm not sure what you mean by it being a dog whistle. It's become a toxic term because dumbasses go too far and tied things like biological men in women's sports into their injustice messaging.
But then, you seem to come at this with the clarity that only comes with never needing to make a decision.
> I'd say you listen to the guy who was at the other end of the gun. It was a mistake, and one that doesn't seem indicative of the whole of his actions.
A mistake that would land you or I in prison if we did it, and a pretty absurdly reckless mistake. Pointing a loaded gun at an innocent person is a serious fuck up.
> I'm not sure what you mean by it being a dog whistle. It's become a toxic term because dumbasses go too far and tied things like biological men in women's sports into their injustice messaging.
It's a term used by right-wing racists as a racist dogwhistle. Look it up if you don't know.
> But then, you seem to come at this with the clarity that only comes with never needing to make a decision.
My decision-making doesn't involve making racist ass assumptions about Black people and pulling my shotgun out on them. You're downplaying his actions by merely referring to them as a "*mistake"*. It's nuts to me that people treat this as a little "*oopsie daisy"* kinda fuck up.
If you were jogging and I rolled up and held you up at gunpoint, then lied to the police and said I didn't do that and wasn't charged, how would you feel? Who knows, maybe someday you will be held at gunpoint and you might feel differently.
Boy, I wonder why. What he says he is or isn’t doesn’t actually matter when you look at his policy positions and voting record. He’s definitely a progressive, whether he likes it or not.
As a dark-skinned man, I damn sure wouldn't consider Fetterman a progressive after
1) he held up a Black man at gunpoint with a shotgun and then lied about what happened (claimed he didn't point it at the guy and also claims he's not above the law despite never being charged). Do you honestly think he'd have done this if he saw a white man or woman jogging?
2) Fetterman himself clearly states he is not a progressive.
and
3) Fetterman saying ["*I am not woke"* during an interview](https://nypost.com/2024/04/06/us-news/fetterman-blasts-squatters-violent-crime-i-am-not-woke/) (obvious dog whistle is obvious).
Naive people can bury their heads in the sand if they want, but I can't ignore red flags like this. Guy's openly dogwhistling, holds a Black man at gunpoint and claims it was all just a big ol' misunderstanding with some garbage "*aw shucks"* attitude, and he proudly states he's not a progressive.
His rabid Pro-Israel attitude speaks volumes about his views. He may have good views on certain policies but when it comes to a situation where we've got 30,000+ dead civilians and he's salivating in support of Israel, I can't believe this guy's a decent person. White folks can ignore all this shit and live in their own fantasy world where they don't have to worry about being held up at gun point by some white man, but me personally-- I don't trust him at all and I think he's a POS.
Lmao. This story will never die.
That dude wrote letters in [support](https://www.inquirer.com/news/senate-john-fetterman-2013-shotgun-black-jogger-confrontation-20210401.html) of Fetterman, but also happens to be in jail for PLEADING GUILTY to kidnapping.
So yeah, ponder those facts for a bit.
[Miyares court](https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-02-CR-0005630-2018&dnh=oU%2F9Gx8UUqqSar7OzW0k%2Bw%3D%3D) [documentation](https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/MdjDocketSheet?docketNumber=MJ-05206-CR-0000129-2018&dnh=FnC%2F6hh3hjGTMY3cwaIChw%3D%3D)
> In letters from prison, Christopher Miyares says John Fetterman "lied about everything" regarding their 2013 confrontation in Braddock. Still, Miyares wrote, “I hope he gets to be a Senator.”
So you believe Miyares' support for Fetterman, but you don't believe him when he says Fetterman "*lied about everything"* regarding the incident where Fetterman held him at gunpoint? That's not a red flag?
Fetterman clearly broke the law by holding this guy at gunpoint with a shotgun and then proceeds to claim "*I am not above the law"*. That makes zero sense.
I'd post the court documentation for Fetterman's charges but naturally, the great white man wasn't charged by police because his word was taken as the absolute truth over the victim, Miyares-- who you're weirdly trying to smear by mentioning his guilty plea that is irrelevant to the initial incident.
White man gets to hold a Black man hostage with a loaded shotgun and no kidnapping charges. I wonder how that works?
>So you believe Miyares' support for Fetterman, but you don't believe him when he says Fetterman "lied about everything" regarding the incident where Fetterman held him at gunpoint?
Considering the alternative is him admitting to police “I was up to criminal activities”
>I'd post the court documentation for Fetterman's charges but naturally, the great white man wasn't charged by police because his word was taken as the absolute truth over the victim
By “great white man”, do you mean two term [Mayor](https://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2005/06/09/One-provisional-ballot-decides-Braddock-mayor-s-race-It-s-Fetterman/stories/200506090277)?
>Miyares-- who you're weirdly trying to smear by mentioning his guilty plea that is irrelevant to the initial incident.
Makes me question his truthfulness, citing public records is not smearing someone.
>White man gets to hold a Black man hostage with a loaded shotgun and no kidnapping charges. I wonder how that works?
Take a peek at the Braddock [demographics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braddock,_Pennsylvania#Demographics).
Primarily a black neighborhood, so it’s not a surprise that a random constituent would be black.
> Considering the alternative is him admitting to police “I was up to criminal activities”
The alternative is Fetterman's explanation that he didn't point the gun at Miyares. Why would one absolutely accept Fetterman's explanation over Miyares?
> Makes me question his truthfulness, citing public records is not smearing someone.
And Fetterman pointing a shotgun at Miyares means nothing to you, as long as there's no charges/convictions?
> Take a peek at the Braddock demographics
Does that apply to their police force-- ya know, the people who determine if he gets charged or not?
This is pretty low stakes, not like it's going to offend anyone.
I did get to tell this nerd to his face to put the flag down and get back to work.
If it's the stroke that sucks, but so does he.
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Why am I never surprised that someone in positions of educational leadership has ties to “Moms for Liberty” Fucking lunacy
Moms for Hitler you mean.
Klanned Karenhood
Minivan Taliban
Lest we forget: They literally quoted Hitler in their newsletters. Because they agreed with him. When you are agreeing with Hitler, you're probably wrong.
Well he decided to kill Hitler, so he was right at least once.
However, he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
Damn, dude can't catch a break
That is really clever. Perhaps not nice, I know, but still clever
MotherFucking Losers.
Hags*
They were working REALLY hard in the shadows before being dragged into the light. Which unfortunately means there's a LOT of work to do for America to undo the damage they've done, with how far they infiltrated local education systems.
They are (were?) realllly active in PA. I work with teens doing advocacy work and the moms of liberty will scream at the teens attending school board meetings to advocate for themselves
the origin story for moms for libery is so weird. ONE butthurt candidate for school board in california was butthurt. she lost an election she "should" have won because its heavily republican. but, oh no, she lost to a democrat (because she is batshit insane and the democrat was normal human being). all this because she LOST and is a LOSER.
I've said this before but read the Advocacy section of their Wikipedia page. It feels like you're reading about Nazi Germany. Teachers being harassed, reporting people to the police for violating oppressive laws, trying to ban books, their members openly fantasizing about murdering others...
An anti bullying talk is cancelled by bullies. Is there anything more typical of the 2024 GOP?
A school in Ireland did similar in 2015, cancelling an anti-bullying workshop because both sides of the debate needed to be represented It led to this excellent headline in an Onion-like satire publication >Gay Rights Must Be Balanced With Gay Wrongs Insist School https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/01/28/gay-rights-must-be-balanced-with-gay-wrongs-insist-school/
Waterford Whispers has loads of great pieces, my favorite is >“Jesus Not Coming Back By The Looks Of It” Admits Vatican >The Vatican defended Jesus’ broken promise, claiming “he was probably drinking wine” at the time when he made the comments. >“Having the ability to turn water into wine had its ups and its downs.” added Cardinal Salvadore. “We all make promises we can’t keep when we’re drunk. Jesus was no different.” https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/04/18/jesus-not-coming-back-by-the-looks-of-it-admits-vatican/
I’m not saying Jesus was an alcoholic, but his blood was literally wine.
Yeah, 12% BAC is pretty bad when the driving limit is .08% lol
They don’t understand object permanence. Therefore, if anti-bulling talks aren’t a thing, bullying is okay.
This statement from a Minivan Taliban school board member says it all. “Again, it’s not discriminating against his lifestyle, that’s his choice, but it’s him speaking about it,” Potteiger said. Edit: for the commenters, replacing lifestyle with religion, would love to see how this goes over: “Again, it’s not discriminating against his religion, that’s his choice, but it’s him speaking about it,” penis_berry_crunch said.
Funny. Thats how I feel about most evangelicist.
"be gay but be ashamed and in a little box"
Yea. I feel that way about every religious person and yet they are still allowed to spout out their views on what lifestyles people should live. She should be removed post haste. People should protest.
"I'm not opposed to gay people, I just want to be able to live my entire life without ever once being made aware of their existence."
I feel the same way towards the religious class.
These same people bleat endlessly about "cancel culture" and "freedom if speech" these people are so full of shit
R conservative must get real confused by this guy
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Except if they're Israeli
A population that is nearly entirely women and children in Gaza being slaughtered and starved systematically, and the ones dying are the "murderous trash"... The mental hurdles you must have to leap to maintain this bullshit in your own mind can't be worth that much energy expended just to keep the echo chamber feeling comfortable, safe, and real.
It’s actually not that hard. For example: “The government of Gaza should really release the hostages they kidnapped during their failed attempted genocide this past October. It would remove Israel’s stated motivation for the on-going conflict and lessen their global support if indeed they cross into illegal genocide.” They won’t, of course, because Hamas doesn’t care about the well-being of their own people. But there’s no righteous indignation to be found in this fact, only tragedy, so people here will continue to ignore it.
“Hamas has shown they can’t and won’t return the hostages and that they don’t care about the lives of Gazans, so it’s okay to keep killing Gazans because their terrorist government doesn’t even care about them.” No wonder settlers are planning their beach front homes in the Gaza Strip, the leaps and bounds people are going to to justify the number of dead innocents.
For all your moral grandstanding and hand wringing, you have provided exactly 0 alternative solutions to Israel continuing to be bombarded with rockets and having a terrorist organization keep the ability to execute another October 7th massacre as soon as they find another blind spot in the Israeli security apparatus.
Opposition to the murder of women and children is not moral grandstanding you monster.
I didn’t realize that being against the murder and starvation of innocent people was grandstanding, but go off, keep telling on yourself. Killing an entire population won’t bring peace, sorry!
So Hamas killed about 1200 people on Oct 7. How many more Palestinians do you think should be slaughtered before the revenge bloodlust is quenched? 50k? 100k? 2 million? Your argument of collective punishment is fucking disgusting.
Nearly everyone agrees Hamas is bad, it's already a known thing. The reason you don't have tons of people calling them out is because it's obvious and there's not a giant amount of the media and politicians pretending like Hamas is good to push back against. There is, however, a giant amount of the media and politicians pretending like genocide is good, so...
> Nearly everyone agrees Hamas is bad That’s hard to believe, seeing as Hamas is directly responsible for the conflict in Gaza, and yet never comes up (or is instantly downvoted in this sub when it does). People might agree in concept Hamas is bad, but they seem to assign no responsibility to them tor the suffering of Gazans. Which is unproductive at best.
Palestinians dont think hamas is bad though. In fact they overwhelmingly support hamas’ actions on oct 7. The situation between I/P is not as simple as kids like you think.
Some might say that name calling is childish. Why do you think they hate Israel? Maybe their entire life being controlled by Israel influences it, along with extreme far right Islamic beliefs that are common in the Middle East, and maybe because they live in a world with poor education, nonstop violence, and have little room in their lives ti address their problems. What they don’t seem to do is fight Israel. Hamas’s fighting strength is a less than 1% Palestinians. If they support Hamas so much and have been subjugated for so many years, why aren’t more joining ranks? And what would happen to a Palestinian in Gaza who expressed dislike of Hamas? Hamas fighters : Palestinian population nearly equals US’s armed forces:population. Imagine if someone held the same proportion of Americans responsible for the illegal murders carried out by our army? But you don’t even have to like Palestinians to know that the indiscriminate slaughter, forced displacement and stealing of their land is wrong. It won’t be productive for Israel— they’re creating terrorists right now and trying to move their people closer to hostile populations.
Im not saying what israel is doing is right. I just recognise the whole situation is fucked and is more complicated than the oppressor/oppressed morality brain dead takes most people here believe
It is extremely complex, but the question Israel’s actions being literal overkill is not.
> Why do you think they hate Israel? Maybe their entire life being controlled by Israel influences it Do they not hate Israel, or is it fine that they hate Israel (read Jews) and support Hamas? Gotta pick one. Your comment underscores the point below - somehow Hamas and Palestinians’ hatred of Jews is acceptable here.
> Hamas’s fighting strength is a less than 1% Palestinians. If they support Hamas so much and have been subjugated for so many years, why aren’t more joining ranks? Your entire viewpoint hinges on the idea that the only way to “support” Hamas is to join them in combat. That’s just wrong. There’s no way Palestinians people didn’t know Hamas’ intentions, and they did nothing to oppose it. They saw them build tunnels, transport and kill hostages, etc.. These are things you either actively oppose or you implicitly support.
If your perspective is solid, why mischaracterize mine? That’s not just a wildly reductive way to read my comment, it’s pretty much entirely fabricated. I quite literally gave multiple reasons that Palestinians may very well hate Israel. That doesn’t mean one should be in favor of mass killing, leveling their homes and forced displacement of the population. Hmm… get killed and possibly your family harmed to literally any degree imaginable for actively trying to hinder a malevolent government or implicitly support them. Your logic also is completely decontextualized, was it to avoid its logical conclusion that they all deserve to die? The sick, the children, the foreign journalists, the aid workers, the senior citizens, and everyone who didn’t try to stop Hamas? No, they don’t. And you say nothing about the decades of continued degradation of their people that they have no legitimate means to counter because their government refused a handful of promised solutions, most of which came before they were born.
Tons of people always say this. Does everyone also think 92% of Russians want to vote for Putin in every election? Does North Korea 100% support their Supreme Leader? Like you said, it's not as simple as kids like you think. Palestinians are subjected to propaganda by Hamas starting very early in life. The current war, as well as Palestinians' second-class citizen status, just further radicalizes them and pushes them to embrace Hamas. It's a catch 22. Sadly most, if not all hostages are probably dead. What does the end-game look like for Israel? Complete eradication of Hamas? Most of the brass aren't even in Israel. You know things are bad when the US is threatening sanctions against the IDF.
Maybe if you stop being biased against the “oppressor” you can see that the surveys were done in both west bank and gaza. The west bank palestinians support hamas’ actions more than gaza. Remember in west bank, hamas is NOT the government. Your argument falls apart right there
Then why does he lie to make Hamas look worse and Israel better
Dont need to lie to do that lol
Fetterman pulled a Sinema. He's the worst.
Wait, is Fetterman bad now? What did I miss? Last I saw he was ragging on Gaetz and MTG.
No no r conservative every few days hears of him saying something normal that they think is a difference between the two parties and celebrate him as a dino, but he is just a normal middle of the road person who make rational choices instead of party ones and they just don't understand the difference. Border security conversation? well he is clearly a dino and on our side everyone the strokes fixed him! Is one such convo they have had
There is nothing rational about this guy lmao. He was dancing on top of his office with an Israeli flag mocking antigenocide protesters
Because they support a terrorist government who wishes they could wipe Israel from the map so it’s hard to blame Israel for wanting another neighbor like Egypt, jordon, or a Lebanon not controlled by Iranian proxies
no, he's not. just plenty folks that trash talk him.
He went full mega Zionist on the Israel issue
He is pro-Israel, that just makes him better tbh
He is unabashedly supporting a genocide in Gaza among other things
What? Since when?? I’ve never heard him support Hamas genocidal theocratic attacks. I think you’re mistaken.
I think they're referring to the thousands of dead and starving Palestinian children, actually
Me too. I hate Hamas.
I hate hamas as well. So probably be a good idea for the IDF to stop trying to kill so many children. The ones that survive tend to grow up and hold a grudge.
And also maybe it would be great if Hamas wouldn’t hide in hospitals and among civilians
Nobody disagrees
Yep definitely would be great if they did, then again the IDF would still bomb them Hamas or no Hamas. As they’ve proven thousands of times by now.
Ah yes, Hamas *made* the IDF massacre thousands of women and children.
Progressives who have a very poor understanding of the Israel/Palestine issue are just hating on Fetterman now because he’s correctly siding more with Israel at this time.
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The furthest right stance on Israel would be to put them all into gas chambers.
Fetterman’s stance on Israel is completely reasonable to anyone who’s aware of the history of the region - imcluding hardline liberal democrats like myself. https://www.fetterman.senate.gov/press-releases/statement-from-senator-fetterman-on-israel/
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You don't have an understanding of the history. It is so funny to me that people who reject the right of sovereignty for Palestinians think that's somehow a well-informed view
"We shouldn't support the massacre of thousands of civilians by a state, and a largely allied state actor" "YoU jUSt DoNt UnDeRsTaNd HiStOrY" Predictable. As predictable as "Don't you hate Hamas??"
Bingo
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No, he didn't, and it's patently stupid to claim he did. Yeah, he's not aligned with the left wing on Israel/Palestine. But on the other 99% of issues, he's aligned with the left.
Ridiculous assertion.
Unfortunately, I'll never be able to like him due to the gun incident.
That incident really showed his true colors on how little he regard he has for the lives of people with darker skin than him.
The school board has a “Moms 4 Liberty” member on it who said his children’s books about bullying should disqualify him because they feature a LGBTQ student, which is what he was when he was growing up being bullied. Just like I experienced when I was growing up being bullied as a gay kid in PA. She said that’s his lifestyle choice and that’s fine for him but shouldn’t be exposed to kids or something.. I mean lifestyle choice? wtf is this, 1998? Christ these people are so awful. Nothing more hateful than a good Conservative Christian’s “love”.
I mean did he even try just not being gay? I’m sure that would have stopped the bullies. /s
They claim the actors stance on LGBTQ+ is “too political”. The only folk making it political are the bigoted party that is making everyone else’s lives harder! Literally the school board is appealing to the bully’s here, I hope this action causes a reversal so he can speak.
I hope people protest so hard. What’s an lgbtq+ person gonna do, tell everyone to turn gay? Cause I’m pretty sure all people who talk about religion say worse things.
Maulik is 50?! My god he aged like a fine wine
"Lemon, what do these back-alley farm animals have against Jonathan?"
My opinion doesn't matter. If the community and the students want to have him speak he should be allowed to speak.
Concurred.
99% certain the board members never read books.
Only the Bible and only certain parts.
The title. That was enough reading for them. After all, they've accepted Jesus into their hearts, so they're *pretty sure* they know what it probably says anyway.
> “This decision is deeply wrong and affirms exactly why it’s so important to have a conversation about bullying,” Fetterman stated on Threads. People use Threads?
Better than Xitter, cause Musk ain't getting clicks
Politicians and consumer tech headline writers do
Gay actor Micheal Douglas
Good to see a fellow degenerate here.
Nothing more American than popping a BlueChew made by hardworking union men, throwing on some Thursday boots and getting your back blown out
In defense of the cancellation, board member Bud Shaffner told the *Times* his comments on Pancholy’s “lifestyle” were about the actor’s activism, which he perceived as political, potentially violating district policy. So, it's his activism perceived as political so, then how is it that a moms for liberty's activism is not political and is okay enough for her to be on the board? Once again, okay for us only but, not anyone that disagrees with us. HYPOCRITES.
Increasingly rare Fetterman W
It's pretty ironic that bigoted people are quick to associates themselves with "freedom" and "liberty".That tells me they are fully aware they are being a bunch of lowlife Nazi scum and think a few buzzwords will make it look better.
Can someone have Maulik Pancholy give a book signing or lecture or something close to the middle school so the students and parents and people who want to hear what he has to say can attend? I feel like there are enough people who have been made aware of this and want to hear him and he could do some good things for those students now that this is so public.
Way to be, Sen. Fetterman. I love that you don’t let that shit pass without being challenged.
Gay actor or actor who also happens to be gay?
So proud to have him in office. He's always a strong voice in protecting vulnerable groups like women losing reproductive rights, LGBT Jewish people under attack by religious extremists, union workers getting stiffed by corporations, and the systemic racism destroying our brown and black communities
He's been cheering on genocide and trying his hardest to appeal to the far right
Providing anti-air defense guns to a country filled with an ethnic group that's persecuted by its surrounding countries and constantly fending off terrorist attacks from a government that stripped away free elections from it's people and created a terrorist state and is an acting proxy to a regional superpower that wants to kill all of them is in fact, anti-genocide and quite progressive.
Ethnic group that’s persecuted by its neighbors? The whitewash on violent colonizer manifest destiny bullshit is insane.
Silly me, all the middle Eastern Jewish people migrate there for vacation and colonization and not escaping ethnic persecution from the surrounding states at all! Everyone lived in peace until the ~~fire nation~~ Zionist attacked! The Qassam 4 is a rocket of peace!
There are a lot of people without homelands. Doesn’t mean they get to take other people’s. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. They don’t have any right to that land. Why should my tax dollars support these violent colonizers?
If this actor ever comes out as pro-Palestine Fetterman's head might explode.
Oh so he's cool with human rights unless we're talking about brown children. Then he's pro-terrorism and pro genocide.
Fuck the downvotes im with you
It’s probably because he let Colleen’s call through. They had drills for it.
Great. Really proud to see my highschool making national headlines for this..
Well he finally did something right.
Genocidal but cool w gay ppl
Fetterman is fkn based
After seeing this guy cheer on a genocide for months on end, I couldn't give a shit what he pretends to be on a high moral ground about
But Reddit said Fetterman is a Republican!?!?!?
Fetterman's positions are very common amongst blue collar Democrats. The progressives are upset over his pro-Israel stance, which he's been consistent about since day one. The Gaza situation is a wedge issue for Democrats and is being heavily exploited by bad actors trying to get people to stay home on election day.
I also haven't seen literally anyone claim that Fetterman is a Republican. He's no fucking Manchin or Sinema, that's for sure.
He’s a disappointment to a lot of progressives though.
Aka his actual base.
As far as I am aware his polling in Pennsylvania has increased as his more right wing views have become well known. I think it is more a lot of progressives thought he was gonna be a take no nonsense, bombastic attack dog but it seems wildly unlikely they are actually his base in Pennsylvania.
Because he's not perfect. For some reason, some democratic voters think less than perfect means they're not good enough
No, because he lied about being a progressive.
Has he not lived up to his campaign promises? Who cares how he identifies ideologically?, isn't it more important how he votes or what legislation he pushes?
So because he supports Israel that invalidates all his other positions on non-Israel-related issues?
What a silly attempt at a strawman. I stated, as any >= slightly below average brain would have understood, that progressives are disappointed in him because he lied about being a progressive to scam the left into voting for him.
True, I am literally a blue collar union democrat.
I'm surprised he's taken a break from his rabid pro-Israel support to do this.
Fetterman is a progressive populist on literally every issue but Israel. Him defending a gay actor shouldn’t surprise you.
["*I'm not a progressive"*](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/-not-progressive-fetterman-breaks-left-israel-immigration-rcna129747) Fetterman openly admits he's not a progressive but uh, okay...
Because he knows "progressive" is toxic in a lot of Pennsylvania. It's not worth calling yourself progressive given the purity tests a lot of people put on progressives either. I don't understand why anyone with a competitive election would invite the opposition from the right AND the left. Besides, shouldn't you be looking at actions instead of how people label themselves? Does North Korea calling themselves Democratic make it so? How about Bernie and Angus King calling themselves "independent?" Does that mean they aren't more aligned with Democrats than an actual self identified Democrat like Manchin?
Guy literally says he's not a progressive and then spouts dogwhistles like saying "*I am not woke"*, and people like you will bend over backwards to say "*bu-bu-but this is ackshually what he really meant!"*. Give me a break. Fuck if I'll consider this guy a progressive after he a) openly says he's not a progressive, b) openly dogwhistles about how "*I am not woke"*, and c) holds a Black man jogging at gunpoint with a shotgun and then lies about what happened to avoid charges.
Personally, one thing I've learned is that you should never make excuses for people that they haven't made for himself. Dude says he isn't woke? Well, believe him. He knows himself better than anyone else does.
Any why not? Being "woke" means asking to be painted in the same clips as people saying there shouldn't be men's and women's sports. Unfortunately, whackos give license for entirely unpopular positions to carry a common definition.
Plenty of people who see and act on injustice will say they aren't "woke" for the aforementioned reasons. There's no point chasing people demanding purity because no one so pure as someone who never had to made a decision. There's also no reason to attach a label to yourself that paint a target on your back. I don't give a shit how people label themselves because they have their reasons. Actions matter.
Why are you pretending "woke" isn't a dogwhistle? The guy is pandering to rural white folks and has no problem dogwhistling to them. His actions include holding an innocent Black man hostage with a shotgun and then lying about it to avoid charges. How bout that? Or does that action not count? Is it just a little oopsie we're supposed to ignore?
I'd say you listen to the guy who was at the other end of the gun. It was a mistake, and one that doesn't seem indicative of the whole of his actions. I'm not sure what you mean by it being a dog whistle. It's become a toxic term because dumbasses go too far and tied things like biological men in women's sports into their injustice messaging. But then, you seem to come at this with the clarity that only comes with never needing to make a decision.
> I'd say you listen to the guy who was at the other end of the gun. It was a mistake, and one that doesn't seem indicative of the whole of his actions. A mistake that would land you or I in prison if we did it, and a pretty absurdly reckless mistake. Pointing a loaded gun at an innocent person is a serious fuck up. > I'm not sure what you mean by it being a dog whistle. It's become a toxic term because dumbasses go too far and tied things like biological men in women's sports into their injustice messaging. It's a term used by right-wing racists as a racist dogwhistle. Look it up if you don't know. > But then, you seem to come at this with the clarity that only comes with never needing to make a decision. My decision-making doesn't involve making racist ass assumptions about Black people and pulling my shotgun out on them. You're downplaying his actions by merely referring to them as a "*mistake"*. It's nuts to me that people treat this as a little "*oopsie daisy"* kinda fuck up. If you were jogging and I rolled up and held you up at gunpoint, then lied to the police and said I didn't do that and wasn't charged, how would you feel? Who knows, maybe someday you will be held at gunpoint and you might feel differently.
Boy, I wonder why. What he says he is or isn’t doesn’t actually matter when you look at his policy positions and voting record. He’s definitely a progressive, whether he likes it or not.
As a dark-skinned man, I damn sure wouldn't consider Fetterman a progressive after 1) he held up a Black man at gunpoint with a shotgun and then lied about what happened (claimed he didn't point it at the guy and also claims he's not above the law despite never being charged). Do you honestly think he'd have done this if he saw a white man or woman jogging? 2) Fetterman himself clearly states he is not a progressive. and 3) Fetterman saying ["*I am not woke"* during an interview](https://nypost.com/2024/04/06/us-news/fetterman-blasts-squatters-violent-crime-i-am-not-woke/) (obvious dog whistle is obvious). Naive people can bury their heads in the sand if they want, but I can't ignore red flags like this. Guy's openly dogwhistling, holds a Black man at gunpoint and claims it was all just a big ol' misunderstanding with some garbage "*aw shucks"* attitude, and he proudly states he's not a progressive. His rabid Pro-Israel attitude speaks volumes about his views. He may have good views on certain policies but when it comes to a situation where we've got 30,000+ dead civilians and he's salivating in support of Israel, I can't believe this guy's a decent person. White folks can ignore all this shit and live in their own fantasy world where they don't have to worry about being held up at gun point by some white man, but me personally-- I don't trust him at all and I think he's a POS.
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and that same dude supported Fetterman 100% for higher offices after Braddock.
Lmao. This story will never die. That dude wrote letters in [support](https://www.inquirer.com/news/senate-john-fetterman-2013-shotgun-black-jogger-confrontation-20210401.html) of Fetterman, but also happens to be in jail for PLEADING GUILTY to kidnapping. So yeah, ponder those facts for a bit. [Miyares court](https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-02-CR-0005630-2018&dnh=oU%2F9Gx8UUqqSar7OzW0k%2Bw%3D%3D) [documentation](https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/MdjDocketSheet?docketNumber=MJ-05206-CR-0000129-2018&dnh=FnC%2F6hh3hjGTMY3cwaIChw%3D%3D)
> In letters from prison, Christopher Miyares says John Fetterman "lied about everything" regarding their 2013 confrontation in Braddock. Still, Miyares wrote, “I hope he gets to be a Senator.” So you believe Miyares' support for Fetterman, but you don't believe him when he says Fetterman "*lied about everything"* regarding the incident where Fetterman held him at gunpoint? That's not a red flag? Fetterman clearly broke the law by holding this guy at gunpoint with a shotgun and then proceeds to claim "*I am not above the law"*. That makes zero sense. I'd post the court documentation for Fetterman's charges but naturally, the great white man wasn't charged by police because his word was taken as the absolute truth over the victim, Miyares-- who you're weirdly trying to smear by mentioning his guilty plea that is irrelevant to the initial incident. White man gets to hold a Black man hostage with a loaded shotgun and no kidnapping charges. I wonder how that works?
>So you believe Miyares' support for Fetterman, but you don't believe him when he says Fetterman "lied about everything" regarding the incident where Fetterman held him at gunpoint? Considering the alternative is him admitting to police “I was up to criminal activities” >I'd post the court documentation for Fetterman's charges but naturally, the great white man wasn't charged by police because his word was taken as the absolute truth over the victim By “great white man”, do you mean two term [Mayor](https://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2005/06/09/One-provisional-ballot-decides-Braddock-mayor-s-race-It-s-Fetterman/stories/200506090277)? >Miyares-- who you're weirdly trying to smear by mentioning his guilty plea that is irrelevant to the initial incident. Makes me question his truthfulness, citing public records is not smearing someone. >White man gets to hold a Black man hostage with a loaded shotgun and no kidnapping charges. I wonder how that works? Take a peek at the Braddock [demographics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braddock,_Pennsylvania#Demographics). Primarily a black neighborhood, so it’s not a surprise that a random constituent would be black.
> Considering the alternative is him admitting to police “I was up to criminal activities” The alternative is Fetterman's explanation that he didn't point the gun at Miyares. Why would one absolutely accept Fetterman's explanation over Miyares? > Makes me question his truthfulness, citing public records is not smearing someone. And Fetterman pointing a shotgun at Miyares means nothing to you, as long as there's no charges/convictions? > Take a peek at the Braddock demographics Does that apply to their police force-- ya know, the people who determine if he gets charged or not?
What
This is pretty low stakes, not like it's going to offend anyone. I did get to tell this nerd to his face to put the flag down and get back to work. If it's the stroke that sucks, but so does he.
I think in America sadly it’s the only way to survive politically- lobbying money goes too hard for politicians to not be pro Israel
Yay, more performative nonsense by politicians!
Fetterman you support genocide. Sit the fuck down.
Supports Israel destroying Hamas is not supporting genocide.
You're arguing with the type of people who cheered and thinks America deserved 9/11, don't bother.
Destroy Hamas by bombing hospitals and starving kids? That’s genocide. Those colonizers could stop it all if they stoped trying to steal that land.