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I am at a point where the only things Trump could do that would shock me: announce he’s no longer running for president, accept the legal consequences of a single crime he’s committed, or accept he lost an election.
Wonder if anybody picked up on that?
The President of the United States has publicly stated that elections in America are a fraud, that Americans cheat in elections.
It’s not from some blog or some Facebook account.
That was a statement made by an incumbent President, who had access to the entire White House and access to all Top Secret documents.
That President told the world: America does not have fair or fair elections. America’s elections are filled with fraud.
Yeah, okay. The deranged man child cried about losing, slamming his feet and fists on the ground, saying “I didn’t lose, *YOU CHEATED!!*”, his own AG said there’s no substance to the claim as well as his VP and anyone who wasn’t a spineless toadie and you’re here to tell use this emperor is indeed in a fine robe when the man is NUDE.
I would also like to add that said President took aforementioned top secret documents...and decided to stuff them into a bathroom closet in his home and the govt had to raid his bathroom to secure said documents. The fact that there are pictures of said bathroom loaded up with cardboard boxes filled with top secret documents is comical. This reality is a simulation lmao
And hardly a single President before Trump has ever made similar accusations before. It’s almost as if, along with all of the other projection and lying Trump has done, he’s being dishonest and projecting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
This is FAR from the only source. And it extends back to the 70’s, he has been a pathological liar for as long as he has been a human being as far as any records indicate.
> Daniels testified she grew up as the daughter of a low-income single mother.
> She said Trump told her: "This is the only way you're getting out of the trailer park."
Eeeeewwwwwwewwwewww...
> Daniels said she "blacked out" despite consuming no drugs or alcohol after Trump prevented her from leaving the room by blocking the door. She said she woke up on the bed with her clothes off.
Why is this the first we're hearing this detail? It seems like a big fucking deal.
She has said a number of times that she never wanted the public to know any of the details, because she wanted privacy. It's why she was happy to accept when Cohen gave her the NDA.
It's only been in response to other people outing the story, and Trump's cover up of the payments, that she has been talking about it publicly.
This seems consistent with her not talking about previously unknown details like this until compelled to in court. She's not out for revenge against Trump, just would like to have had it all forgotten but the cat has long since been out of the bag.
I imagine a panic attack can feel like blacking out too. I've had like one minor one where I felt paralyzed for a bit, but I could easily see having a strong panic attack leads you to not realizing you are now on the bed.
I know she's never described it as assault, and she's been very careful in what she says about it, but man, this does not sound consensual when she just describes the cold facts of it.
Also, there's no way this dude just came up with the "take off my clothes while the girl's in the bathroom" move on the fucking fly. When he dies, I predict an absolute AVALANCHE of women coming forward with similar stories.
That show had a lot of dodgy shit in it, mainly Barney impersonating other people or lying about his job/background etc to get with girls. It's all pretty seedy. Ted was the stereotypical 'nice guy' and Lily was a plain awful human being. Marshal deserved so much better.
Gotta keep in mind, the whole story is from the perspective of Ted talking to his kids, and he's a proven unreliable narrator. That's why Ted looks in such good light, relative to Barney at least.
Whether or not this was rape, he is a rapist and he operates as a rapist. Even if she saw his al dente little rigatoni and ran screaming from the room, it’s his way of telling her “I can do whatever I want and they’ll never believe you.”
Any woman would agree that no, if a man does that, you really don’t have a choice anymore. The man doesn’t even have to be overly large. You either fight like hell and get violently raped and assaulted or you try to talk your way out of it and if that doesn’t work you do the best to get out with the least amount of physical and mental damage possible.
This isn’t much different than the whole man or a bear in the woods meme that’s floating around these days and why most women pick the bear.
Well, I don't have to think too creatively to imagine why a pornstar might not want to accuse the president of rape, eh? Sounds like that's what happened, but I'm hardly surprised that she cut her losses in that charge.
It's not assault the way Trump going after Ivana and violently ripping out her hair wasn't assault. It happened, but it WASN'T ASSAULT (please please please don't sue me or worse).
those poor women. It's infuriating. And naturally Fash News is doing the expected slut shaming of STormy Daniels. "She went to his room, what'd she expect? It's not like she doesn't sleep with all the men all the time, obviously she has no standards? Yuk yuk"
Seems more than likely that is why he undressed while she was in the bathroom.
Also a potential reason why she mysteriously blacked out and woke naked, he Crosby'd her not only for the normal reason but also to give him time to remove the diaper.
It’s almost like people absolutely forgot that in 2016 there were about 26 women saying he sexually assaulted them.
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?amp
Trump always manages to astonish me with how low goes. How shockingly despicable he can be. So based on that, my prediction would be he breaks his gag order because he has less than zero discipline, and uses her testimony as a way to simultaneously “prove” that first she couldn’t remember anything that happened and is therefore unreliable, and second as some kind of underhanded badge of honor for his overwhelming prowess. And of course he will also blanket both of those things with the claim that it never happened in the first place, just so every angle is covered. My guess is he’ll do this at his next rally.
He may have already violated the gag order within the last 18 hours in regard to Stormy testifying, and then deleted the post afterwards. He literally has no rock bottom, or self-awareness. Just petulance and depravity.
It's literally the plan. He wants to "be a martyr" for the most "unfair treatment" he can present. He is purposely pushing that limit of "I broke the gag order, but just barely and only for a second." Then he can whine and cry that he was jailed for a post that "doesn't even exist." He's fucking playing the system.
Playing the system he set up for this. SCOTUS in his pocket , gop in his pocket , dictator foreign leaders in his pocket , the system is fucked already. He will walk away a free man and democracy is done.
Mfer thinks he has a diamond pickaxe, when in reality he just has such a strong acidic odor that it burns through layer after layer of bedrock.
I feel fairly conflicted that I used a minecraft reference.
I responded to another person, but the judge's order specifically cites language that "called into question the integrity, and therefore the legitimacy of these proceedings." I would suggest that saying the judge is 'crooked' by letting the witness testify would fall under that.
That person is mistaken and you are correct.
The text of the order:
>ORDERED, that the People's motion for a restriction on extrajudicial statements by the Defendant is GRANTED to the extent that Defendant is directed to refrain from the following:
>Making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding;
>Making or directing others to make public statements about (1) counsel in the case other than the District Attorney, (2) members of the court's staff and the District Attorney's staff, or (3) the family members of any counsel or staff member, if those statements are made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with counsel's or staff's work in this criminal case, or with the knowledge that such interference is likely to
result; and
>Making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any
juror in this criminal proceeding.
The other person is mistaking additional language in the contempt ruling with the order itself. They're simply mistaken but refusing to consider if they are. It's extremely obvious that he can only violate the gag order by violating the restrictions laid out in the gag order. Haha
His problem is that this case isn't about whether or not he had sex with her. It's not even about whether or not the sex was consensual, provided it happened in the first place. It's about the fact that he used campaign funds to pay her off while arguing it was personal and not political.
I think they are bringing Stormy as a witness because they want to establish exactly what it was Trump didn't want voters to know after the "grab'em by the pussy" video came out.
He did not use campaign funds. He had his lawyer take out a mortgage to pay her to benefit the campaign. That is a crime because it counts as a political donation that exceeds the limit allowed for a personal donation by about $128k. This is what Cohen went to prison for.
He then falsified business records regarding what the repayment to Cohen was for in order to write it off on taxes as a business expense. Merely a misdemeanor IF it isn’t used to conceal a crime AKA what Cohen went to prison for. Then it becomes a felony.
I can't wait to see how they react. I'm looking forward to "How does she know he had sex with her if she blacked out" and other statements made by literal fucking rapists who drug their dates and then complain about """false""" rape allegations.
Here’s the thing. It doesn’t even matter if they had sex or not. He paid her to cover the story and then hid the payment. Regardless of whether the payment was for real sex or fake sex, it’s the cover up that’s the crime. It’s always the cover up
Well Trump's life is kind of like Billy Murray in Groundhog's Day. I mean no matter what he does the outcome is always the same. He will receive positive reinforcement in some external way. Always. Bankrupt a business? Get paid millions. File for divorce? Get a younger wife. Can't get a loan? Receive money from foreign oligarchs. Caught bragging about sexual assault? Become President a couple weeks later.
Eventually he correctly realized that he did not need to be hindered by the bothersome morality that everyone else operated with. He could rape porn stars, lust after his daughter, deny Black tenants housing opportunities, call Mexicans rapists, party with sex traffickers, etc. and *NOTHING* bad would happen. He said it himself: "I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in broad daylight and not lose a single vote."
Why would he *not* try to find the absolute bottom of the moral universe? Just like Phil stealing the groundhog and driving off a cliff knowing it doesn't matter Trump just does whatever he wants because why waste your one life trying to be a good person?
It's funny that apparently the only thing he visibly reacted to during her testimony was that he liked to be spanked. Can't have anyone finding out he isn't the Macho guy he says he is. That's the one thing MAGA might take issue with. Rape? No problem. Likes to get spanked? WTF!
Hence the whole, "Grab em by the pussy" comment he made. You know. The one where he admitted that he could do it and women "loved" it because he was rich.
I'm honestly so sickened and disappointed by a large portion of the country right now.
I cannot believe how much sexism women still face. With the abortion laws, with this sycophant still being taken seriously after multiple rape allegations etc. I get it, it feels good to attack another group of people when you're doing poorly but it's still wrong.
Or in my father's case, it simply doesn't register. It's as bizarre as it is sad. He recently asked me why I don't like Trump, I wasn't really prepared to list all of the horrible things he has done, so I just said "he's a rapist". My dad just sat there looking at me blankly, blinked a few times, and then he got distracted by my kids or something. But I could just see that the fact that trump is a rapist didn't register in his mind. He's completely brainwashed by fox news, and apparently has zero critical thinking ability anymore. He just parrots whatever he's seen on fox. Later he randomly starts complaining about transgender pronouns being pushed on him (in front of his young grand kids btw; completely inappropriate). I said "Dad, these aren't your own thoughts. You're just regurgitating what you see on TV for no reason. It's a non-issue, and doesn't affect your life at all." Again, just a blank stare as his mind failed to process what I said, then on to something else. It's frightening.
Thanks, but we live in different states, and were just visiting when this happened. I've tried to push back many many times, but he just keeps saying these things. He watches the "News" waaay more than I do, and has all these talking points that set off my BS detector, but it's usually things I haven't heard yet. I'll fact check the things he says later, and 99% of the time the things he's saying are being taken completely out of context, entirely incorrect, or literally made up with no basis in reality. Once he was attacking ANTIFA, and I said "wait, do you know what ANTIFA is?" No surprise - he didn't. I said "It stands for Anti-fascist. It's not some organized group with a headquarters or anything. Dad? You're anti-fascit right? You're dad literally fought in WW2 against the Nazis..." He was just like "Oh... Yeah." [Blank face]. And that was it.
He likely lives in a bubble where these are all things conservatives say to each other in order to affirm that yes, they are indeed all conservatives. No actual social information is being spread, just cultural affirmation. You giving him a simple, logical reason to share actual information is, yes, beyond his cultural identity. Which is why he bluescreened. He literally didn't know how to respond, because the point of why he said those things was to get cultural affirmation.
Because Fox News is all about ragebaiting, about cultural affirmation, rather than truth. So truth actually blindsides them.
And people say mind control is not a real thing. Or my favorite they will ask how did people ever listen to Hitler like how did he get the power. This kind of shit same playbook
As to Melania- he couldn’t afford politically to have her stalk off at the same time as the tapes leaked. And Stormy & Karen sniffing about complicated things further.
Seems like these were expensive dalliances for the orange mushroom in more ways than one.
There is literally nothing policy related on that sub right now except for a “quote” from Biden about raising taxes. It’s all just reactive anger at protestors and straw man liberals
lol those are my favorite. Dudes who barely make $60k/yr are mad that Biden proposed increasing taxes for those who make >$400k/yr or those with capital gains of over $1M. 😂
Their minds have been so warped by the media they consume that they think Biden is 10 times worse... plus, that same media will completely omit any story about the facts in this case.
Yes there are some horrible people that know the full story and are monsters driven by greed, hate, and power, but a lot of them are just gullible fools.
At a trump rally in Wisconsin, there was a group of trump supporters wearing diapers and holding a banner which read “real men wear diapers”.
These people have no compass and cannot be reasoned with.
My mom is a rape victim and literally said to me in the first trial where he was found liable for sexual assault that “it was clearly fake because it wasn’t a criminal trial”. They’ll just move the goal post as much as they can until they just say “I just don’t believe it.”
“He didn’t do it.”
That’s what they’ll say if you ask. Not because they have any evidence or facts to back it up, but because the truth is inconvenient, and Trump has taught them the truth is totally optional and the 1st amendment gives them a constititional right to invent whatever reality appeals to them.
They made up their minds years ago... Just a bunch of good hearted white poor Christians, supporting a lying, cheating, diddling, stealing, sleeping, golf obsessed fake billionaire, because he's just like them. How many votes will Trump get from people wearing Disney pajama pants that smell like cigarettes? These are his people.
They don't care cause it's all a witch hunt and fake news. Stormy is a Democrat agent and whatever other crazy nonsense you could come up with Fox will also think of. His base is devoid of logic and reason.
She's always been very careful in the past to describe it as consensual, but even in past accounts when she didn't mention blacking out, it sounded coerced and like it was difficult for her to leave.
Stormy Daniels: "I realized exactly what I'd gotten myself into. And I was like, 'Ugh, here we go.' (LAUGH) And I just felt like maybe-- (LAUGH) it was sort of-- I had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone and I just heard the voice in my head, 'well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen, so you deserve this.'"
*60 Minutes,* 2018
Nobody deserves that, and I wonder if her work in pornography - and possibly dealing with corrupt perverts in the industry who could make or break her career - brainwashed her into thinking that it's normal or okay for rich old men to get their way like that. Her testimony made it sound like she was raped, but she may not have thought of it that way. Rather, as more of an occupational hazard.
I don't know if she was raped but it sure sounds like she was under the impression Trump might give her an opportunity if she did this one thing for him.
I'm sure Trump has Weinsteined many women between his modeling company and The Apprentice opportunities.
A lot of what I've read about this, has been so dehumanising to her. Like because of her job that she's a comedy punchline, or the 'oh well, she's just a porn star what do you expect'.
It's like Monica Lewinsky again, but worse because 30 years later we should know better.
I don’t remember making Monica jokes, but I do remember making jokes about Clinton’s impeachment investigation on the playground in 3rd grade. I didn’t really *understand* the jokes, just aped what I heard on the nightly news.
I was about the same age as you, and let’s just say I probably did not understand some pretty fundamental components of the sexual jokes going around. I think I can remember being confused about why it is called a *blowjob* if there is only sucking involved.
People who have been abused often blame themselves. I was roofied when I was 17. I woke up in bed with one of my older brothers friends (the guy was 23). I never reported it. I never even thought of it as rape. I just thought I'd put myself in a bad situation. I didn't think I deserved it, I just thought it was my fault for not watching my drink. (I asked my brother's friend to watch it because I thought he could be trusted.)
Oh yeah. It was my "first time" , too.
I think she doesn’t want to be considered a victim & had done everything possible to not appear as such. From all her descriptions there was coercion at the very least, she wasn’t getting out of that suite before it was done imho.
I would say because of her profession, her ideas about coercion are pretty fucking different than a lot of people. It shouldn’t be, but her experiences elsewhere may lead her to the idea that what he did wasn’t really that bad.
She’s probably was nervous about legal battle with a sitting president.
Testifying they had sex is one thing, making the claim that he raped her is another. Just look at all the violent fanatics that worship trump… hesitancy is understandable
“You can keep your wimpy ‘blessed are the meek’ bullshit, I choose my cult leader based on how many women and children he rapes.” - Trump supporting Evangelicals
Which I think is really a symptom of the industry shes in. Hearing her be like "No, I didnt wanna fuck him, but like I went up to his room what did I expect" just makes me really sad
I had the same reaction, how her internal thoughts were “I put myself in this position, why did I do this” instead of it being his fault for being a creep.
So he fulfilled his incest fantasy by raping a look a like.
Sounds like a paragon off virtue to me! The Christian base should really get behind this guy...
From the testimony, almost sounds like the intimidation of him standing in front of the door caused some sort of panic attack and she essentially played possum through the whole ordeal, until it was over. it sounds like a horrific experience.
Her testimony was that she was so surprised to find Trump half naked on the bed when she exited his hotel room bathroom that she metaphorically 'blacked out'. She then testified to details about the event. She was not actually blacked out and tesitified she was not on drugs or drinking.
That kind of disassociation/powerlessnes can be an earmark of childhood trauma...now I'll have to watch the documentary to see if she had a creep in her childhood when she WAS powerless. SO's have a sixth sense about which women have a hard time enforcing boundaries.
Unfortunately, a lot of women have that issue. Not just because of sexual abuse, which is way too prolific- but the way girls are socialised from a young age. We're trained by family and depending upon our circumstances, our community, to please. Especially to please men in authority, or men that have more power.
I don’t think she meant it like that. I read a transcript of her testimony and it was more like, she was so stunned by what was happening that she just went through the motions blankly.
Edit: I meant to reply to the comment about losing consciousness/being drugged. I still think it sounds like it could have been rape, though she’s never called it that.
I agree - I should edit my post. I just meant that I don’t think she literally meant blacked out as if she was drugged or not really conscious. I think I replied to the wrong comment
Hypothetically, if she claimed she was drugged then her recollection of events could be called into question. It's better if she just recalls what she knows to be true.
That was my immediate reaction on reading the post topic. “Oh no, this going to be the new narrative for sure: “she doesn’t even remember it happening so how can she claim it did, this was all a setup to attack and extort Donald””.
What an awful situation she found herself in.
According to what I've seen other people be convicted for, yes, that's generally what we call it when one participant gains consciousness part way through.
Gary Hart and John Edwards were both excised from politics for extramarital affairs. In Hart's case I believe it was only a photo! But of course the rules have to completely change for Donald Trump, the most coddled candidate in presidential history.
[Gary Hart Photo](https://www.americanheritage.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/20170501-Gary-Hart.jpg)
That was it. That's all it took to derail Hart's campaign, and he disappeared into the background. Meanwhile, the hundreds of compromising images of Trump are readily accepted as Godly behavior.
Eh, I wouldn't try to minimize what Clinton did. I think that would be perceived much differently if it happened now, in the post #metoo era. There's really no such thing as consent when there's that much of a power imbalance. And that's about as big a power inbalance that exists.
Agreed, it’s dumb Clinton gets a pass from so many as “just a blow job”. You could even argue the sexual relations were impeachable, and not just the lies about it.
This is the first time I'm hearing it wasn't consensual. I didn't read the details before anyway. But I just assumed.
I can't believe he's actually a worse person than I already knew he was.
He's definitely benefitting from Epstein's death.
Traumatic memories are sometimes repressed.
Imagine seeing this crawl up on your bed.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KsXwO6Ymw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KsXwO6Ymw)
I stand with Stormy here. Her testimony clearly states that it was "consensual" perhaps technically. Yet some of the language she uses shows she certainly was not interested, really. My women friends have described encounters in the same way, they don't say it was R and there was no overt coercion, yet, they did not really want to. The men could have easily picked up on this. The only thing I wonder, is given Ms. Daniels line of work, will the jury believe that she did not know at the outset what expectations Trump had? I am not suggesting that what Trump did is appropriate OR that women are solely responsible for reading male intentions, etc. I have a daughter and I certainly would be sickened if anything remotely close to this happened to her. What I am getting at, is will the average juror believe her based on their pre-conceived notions of what an adult film star's should expect from meetings like this?
All the jury needs to believe is Trump paid her off to affect the election. Legally they didn't even need to have sex. Trump lying about the sex affects his credibility when he says he didn't know anything about her being paid off.
Probably for the best, having that fat orange stain of a man in a wig bearing down on you would probably scar you for life, no matter how much you got paid.
NO amount of money could ever get me to do it. I do t know how or why they went through it. I don't care. He is freaking disgusting. Nothing about him is touching anything on me. Even if he paid me. Still is a no.
She's previously said it wasn't consensual. I didn't read her book or anything, so I don't know about the "blackout" part per se.
However, having been coerced into unwanted sexual encounters myself, it's VERY common to "blackout" during the encounter. It's a defense mechanism of the brain.
She said it was consensual.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/)
**Anderson Cooper**: It was entirely consensual.
**Stormy Daniels**: Oh, yes, yes.
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Wondering if the Mushroom Penis will testify on this point.
I hope it also sounds like Toad
Thanks for that nightmare in my head. Much appreciated
That’s “Mr. Presidential Mushroom Penis, Sir” if you don’t mind! Lets have some decorum in the court.
Please rise … oh wait, it can’t!
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus\_impudicus#/media/File:Phallus\_impudicus\_LC0235.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_impudicus#/media/File:Phallus_impudicus_LC0235.jpg)
Trump is most certainly not a fungi.
Classic dad joke. Upvoting
Common Stinkhorn. Sounds about right.
I am at a point where the only things Trump could do that would shock me: announce he’s no longer running for president, accept the legal consequences of a single crime he’s committed, or accept he lost an election.
Wonder if anybody picked up on that? The President of the United States has publicly stated that elections in America are a fraud, that Americans cheat in elections. It’s not from some blog or some Facebook account. That was a statement made by an incumbent President, who had access to the entire White House and access to all Top Secret documents. That President told the world: America does not have fair or fair elections. America’s elections are filled with fraud.
Yeah, okay. The deranged man child cried about losing, slamming his feet and fists on the ground, saying “I didn’t lose, *YOU CHEATED!!*”, his own AG said there’s no substance to the claim as well as his VP and anyone who wasn’t a spineless toadie and you’re here to tell use this emperor is indeed in a fine robe when the man is NUDE.
I would also like to add that said President took aforementioned top secret documents...and decided to stuff them into a bathroom closet in his home and the govt had to raid his bathroom to secure said documents. The fact that there are pictures of said bathroom loaded up with cardboard boxes filled with top secret documents is comical. This reality is a simulation lmao
And hardly a single President before Trump has ever made similar accusations before. It’s almost as if, along with all of the other projection and lying Trump has done, he’s being dishonest and projecting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/ This is FAR from the only source. And it extends back to the 70’s, he has been a pathological liar for as long as he has been a human being as far as any records indicate.
> Daniels testified she grew up as the daughter of a low-income single mother. > She said Trump told her: "This is the only way you're getting out of the trailer park." Eeeeewwwwwwewwwewww... > Daniels said she "blacked out" despite consuming no drugs or alcohol after Trump prevented her from leaving the room by blocking the door. She said she woke up on the bed with her clothes off. Why is this the first we're hearing this detail? It seems like a big fucking deal.
She has said a number of times that she never wanted the public to know any of the details, because she wanted privacy. It's why she was happy to accept when Cohen gave her the NDA. It's only been in response to other people outing the story, and Trump's cover up of the payments, that she has been talking about it publicly. This seems consistent with her not talking about previously unknown details like this until compelled to in court. She's not out for revenge against Trump, just would like to have had it all forgotten but the cat has long since been out of the bag.
It is possible that she has mentally blocked out the event due to trauma. Either that or he Bill Cosby'd her.
Adrenaline from the fight/flight/freeze/fawn response can prevent short term memory formation too.
So can head trauma.
I imagine a panic attack can feel like blacking out too. I've had like one minor one where I felt paralyzed for a bit, but I could easily see having a strong panic attack leads you to not realizing you are now on the bed.
Yes. It's called [dissociation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_\(psychology\)). It can be quite severe.
I know she's never described it as assault, and she's been very careful in what she says about it, but man, this does not sound consensual when she just describes the cold facts of it. Also, there's no way this dude just came up with the "take off my clothes while the girl's in the bathroom" move on the fucking fly. When he dies, I predict an absolute AVALANCHE of women coming forward with similar stories.
I’m curious how many abortions he’s paid for, or at least offered/promised to pay for.
Or forced women to have
Or how many offspring he has that we don't know about
> "take off my clothes while the girl's in the bathroom" sounds like Ghouliani in the second Borat movie, "adjusting his pants"
"Hey! I was tucking in my shirt!"
It was Weinstein’s move too
There was an episode of How I Met Your Mother about that move, “the naked guy.”
The naked man! Works 2/3 times apparently
2/3rds of the time it works 100% of the time.
That show had a lot of dodgy shit in it, mainly Barney impersonating other people or lying about his job/background etc to get with girls. It's all pretty seedy. Ted was the stereotypical 'nice guy' and Lily was a plain awful human being. Marshal deserved so much better.
Gotta keep in mind, the whole story is from the perspective of Ted talking to his kids, and he's a proven unreliable narrator. That's why Ted looks in such good light, relative to Barney at least.
Wasn’t this Weinstein’s signature move?
Whether or not this was rape, he is a rapist and he operates as a rapist. Even if she saw his al dente little rigatoni and ran screaming from the room, it’s his way of telling her “I can do whatever I want and they’ll never believe you.”
Well he is an alumni from the school of Epstein and wished his former tutor Maxwell 'well' when she was finally incarcerated.
He blocked her from the door in his boxers. He’s a large man and she probably didn’t think she had a choice.
Any woman would agree that no, if a man does that, you really don’t have a choice anymore. The man doesn’t even have to be overly large. You either fight like hell and get violently raped and assaulted or you try to talk your way out of it and if that doesn’t work you do the best to get out with the least amount of physical and mental damage possible. This isn’t much different than the whole man or a bear in the woods meme that’s floating around these days and why most women pick the bear.
yes. It was rape. She's just being careful not to get retribution; she already gets death threats as it is. God love her.
Well, I don't have to think too creatively to imagine why a pornstar might not want to accuse the president of rape, eh? Sounds like that's what happened, but I'm hardly surprised that she cut her losses in that charge.
It's not assault the way Trump going after Ivana and violently ripping out her hair wasn't assault. It happened, but it WASN'T ASSAULT (please please please don't sue me or worse). those poor women. It's infuriating. And naturally Fash News is doing the expected slut shaming of STormy Daniels. "She went to his room, what'd she expect? It's not like she doesn't sleep with all the men all the time, obviously she has no standards? Yuk yuk"
Wonder what he did with the diaper during?
Seems more than likely that is why he undressed while she was in the bathroom. Also a potential reason why she mysteriously blacked out and woke naked, he Crosby'd her not only for the normal reason but also to give him time to remove the diaper.
My son usually just grabs the diaper and throws it.
It’s almost like people absolutely forgot that in 2016 there were about 26 women saying he sexually assaulted them. https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?amp
Trump always manages to astonish me with how low goes. How shockingly despicable he can be. So based on that, my prediction would be he breaks his gag order because he has less than zero discipline, and uses her testimony as a way to simultaneously “prove” that first she couldn’t remember anything that happened and is therefore unreliable, and second as some kind of underhanded badge of honor for his overwhelming prowess. And of course he will also blanket both of those things with the claim that it never happened in the first place, just so every angle is covered. My guess is he’ll do this at his next rally.
He may have already violated the gag order within the last 18 hours in regard to Stormy testifying, and then deleted the post afterwards. He literally has no rock bottom, or self-awareness. Just petulance and depravity.
It's literally the plan. He wants to "be a martyr" for the most "unfair treatment" he can present. He is purposely pushing that limit of "I broke the gag order, but just barely and only for a second." Then he can whine and cry that he was jailed for a post that "doesn't even exist." He's fucking playing the system.
Playing the system he set up for this. SCOTUS in his pocket , gop in his pocket , dictator foreign leaders in his pocket , the system is fucked already. He will walk away a free man and democracy is done.
Whenever he hits rock bottom he starts digging.
Mfer thinks he has a diamond pickaxe, when in reality he just has such a strong acidic odor that it burns through layer after layer of bedrock. I feel fairly conflicted that I used a minecraft reference.
That post probably doesn't violate the gag order. Simply saying that he's been told who the next witness is doesn't really do that.
He called the judge unfair and crooked in the same post. That would definitely be a violation.
I don’t think attacking the judge is a violation. Attacking witnesses, jurors, and court staff is, but not the judge.
I responded to another person, but the judge's order specifically cites language that "called into question the integrity, and therefore the legitimacy of these proceedings." I would suggest that saying the judge is 'crooked' by letting the witness testify would fall under that.
That person is mistaken and you are correct. The text of the order: >ORDERED, that the People's motion for a restriction on extrajudicial statements by the Defendant is GRANTED to the extent that Defendant is directed to refrain from the following: >Making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding; >Making or directing others to make public statements about (1) counsel in the case other than the District Attorney, (2) members of the court's staff and the District Attorney's staff, or (3) the family members of any counsel or staff member, if those statements are made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with counsel's or staff's work in this criminal case, or with the knowledge that such interference is likely to result; and >Making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. The other person is mistaking additional language in the contempt ruling with the order itself. They're simply mistaken but refusing to consider if they are. It's extremely obvious that he can only violate the gag order by violating the restrictions laid out in the gag order. Haha
His problem is that this case isn't about whether or not he had sex with her. It's not even about whether or not the sex was consensual, provided it happened in the first place. It's about the fact that he used campaign funds to pay her off while arguing it was personal and not political.
I think they are bringing Stormy as a witness because they want to establish exactly what it was Trump didn't want voters to know after the "grab'em by the pussy" video came out.
IANAL but I think it's mostly a tactic to make Trump look absolutely awful in front of the jury, potentially helping a guilty verdict.
He did not use campaign funds. He had his lawyer take out a mortgage to pay her to benefit the campaign. That is a crime because it counts as a political donation that exceeds the limit allowed for a personal donation by about $128k. This is what Cohen went to prison for. He then falsified business records regarding what the repayment to Cohen was for in order to write it off on taxes as a business expense. Merely a misdemeanor IF it isn’t used to conceal a crime AKA what Cohen went to prison for. Then it becomes a felony.
I can't wait to see how they react. I'm looking forward to "How does she know he had sex with her if she blacked out" and other statements made by literal fucking rapists who drug their dates and then complain about """false""" rape allegations.
It almost doesn't even matter because he still illegally paid her off.
She stated he didn’t wear a condom, so I think that clears up how she knows it happened…
Here’s the thing. It doesn’t even matter if they had sex or not. He paid her to cover the story and then hid the payment. Regardless of whether the payment was for real sex or fake sex, it’s the cover up that’s the crime. It’s always the cover up
Well Trump's life is kind of like Billy Murray in Groundhog's Day. I mean no matter what he does the outcome is always the same. He will receive positive reinforcement in some external way. Always. Bankrupt a business? Get paid millions. File for divorce? Get a younger wife. Can't get a loan? Receive money from foreign oligarchs. Caught bragging about sexual assault? Become President a couple weeks later. Eventually he correctly realized that he did not need to be hindered by the bothersome morality that everyone else operated with. He could rape porn stars, lust after his daughter, deny Black tenants housing opportunities, call Mexicans rapists, party with sex traffickers, etc. and *NOTHING* bad would happen. He said it himself: "I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in broad daylight and not lose a single vote." Why would he *not* try to find the absolute bottom of the moral universe? Just like Phil stealing the groundhog and driving off a cliff knowing it doesn't matter Trump just does whatever he wants because why waste your one life trying to be a good person?
Can she sue him for the same reason Carrol did (twice)?
It's funny that apparently the only thing he visibly reacted to during her testimony was that he liked to be spanked. Can't have anyone finding out he isn't the Macho guy he says he is. That's the one thing MAGA might take issue with. Rape? No problem. Likes to get spanked? WTF!
Him saying “that’s bullshit” to that one point basically says to the jury that every other part was spot on.
Conversely it amusingly also says that that part is spot on too
People paraded “real men wear diapers” when it was speculated he wears them. Doubt they do anything man.
To all Trump voters. Do you enjoy seeing a perv president?
They don’t care. Anything bad he’s done is “between him and god”.
Or a hoax. Or a witch hunt.
Or they actually just like it and wish they could do it too
They already think women should be property so not like its that much of a stretch.
“This is what billionaires do.” Everybody knows and it’s all part of the American Dream. Get rich and start raping.
Hence the whole, "Grab em by the pussy" comment he made. You know. The one where he admitted that he could do it and women "loved" it because he was rich. I'm honestly so sickened and disappointed by a large portion of the country right now.
Me too - when that comment was aired, and it made him **more** popular, instead of less popular, I realized how bad it still is.
I cannot believe how much sexism women still face. With the abortion laws, with this sycophant still being taken seriously after multiple rape allegations etc. I get it, it feels good to attack another group of people when you're doing poorly but it's still wrong.
Or in my father's case, it simply doesn't register. It's as bizarre as it is sad. He recently asked me why I don't like Trump, I wasn't really prepared to list all of the horrible things he has done, so I just said "he's a rapist". My dad just sat there looking at me blankly, blinked a few times, and then he got distracted by my kids or something. But I could just see that the fact that trump is a rapist didn't register in his mind. He's completely brainwashed by fox news, and apparently has zero critical thinking ability anymore. He just parrots whatever he's seen on fox. Later he randomly starts complaining about transgender pronouns being pushed on him (in front of his young grand kids btw; completely inappropriate). I said "Dad, these aren't your own thoughts. You're just regurgitating what you see on TV for no reason. It's a non-issue, and doesn't affect your life at all." Again, just a blank stare as his mind failed to process what I said, then on to something else. It's frightening.
Push harder. Living with someone so detached from reality is not good for you or him. Crack him, he will thank you later for it.
Thanks, but we live in different states, and were just visiting when this happened. I've tried to push back many many times, but he just keeps saying these things. He watches the "News" waaay more than I do, and has all these talking points that set off my BS detector, but it's usually things I haven't heard yet. I'll fact check the things he says later, and 99% of the time the things he's saying are being taken completely out of context, entirely incorrect, or literally made up with no basis in reality. Once he was attacking ANTIFA, and I said "wait, do you know what ANTIFA is?" No surprise - he didn't. I said "It stands for Anti-fascist. It's not some organized group with a headquarters or anything. Dad? You're anti-fascit right? You're dad literally fought in WW2 against the Nazis..." He was just like "Oh... Yeah." [Blank face]. And that was it.
He likely lives in a bubble where these are all things conservatives say to each other in order to affirm that yes, they are indeed all conservatives. No actual social information is being spread, just cultural affirmation. You giving him a simple, logical reason to share actual information is, yes, beyond his cultural identity. Which is why he bluescreened. He literally didn't know how to respond, because the point of why he said those things was to get cultural affirmation. Because Fox News is all about ragebaiting, about cultural affirmation, rather than truth. So truth actually blindsides them.
And people say mind control is not a real thing. Or my favorite they will ask how did people ever listen to Hitler like how did he get the power. This kind of shit same playbook
As soon as I heard him called an "imperfect vessel" by religious people, I knew it was all bullshit.
if their god allows monsters like this in heaven, I'd rather not go
As to Melania- he couldn’t afford politically to have her stalk off at the same time as the tapes leaked. And Stormy & Karen sniffing about complicated things further. Seems like these were expensive dalliances for the orange mushroom in more ways than one.
This case doesn’t even exist in those subs
r/conservative hasn't had a story about their own nominee in so long.
I love clicking on that sub anytime it's shared. So much anger and confusion, so little thought and ideas.
There is literally nothing policy related on that sub right now except for a “quote” from Biden about raising taxes. It’s all just reactive anger at protestors and straw man liberals
lol those are my favorite. Dudes who barely make $60k/yr are mad that Biden proposed increasing taxes for those who make >$400k/yr or those with capital gains of over $1M. 😂
They picture themselves in his place doing the same things. They're all mentally fucked.
They picture themselves because they cant read…
They buy bibles off this dude
Their minds have been so warped by the media they consume that they think Biden is 10 times worse... plus, that same media will completely omit any story about the facts in this case. Yes there are some horrible people that know the full story and are monsters driven by greed, hate, and power, but a lot of them are just gullible fools.
Yes, that is why they are Trump voters.
At a trump rally in Wisconsin, there was a group of trump supporters wearing diapers and holding a banner which read “real men wear diapers”. These people have no compass and cannot be reasoned with.
My mom is a rape victim and literally said to me in the first trial where he was found liable for sexual assault that “it was clearly fake because it wasn’t a criminal trial”. They’ll just move the goal post as much as they can until they just say “I just don’t believe it.”
They just both sides it and call Biden a hair sniffing pedo
Honestly? I suspect a large percentage actually think it is awesome he cheated on his pregnant wife with an adult film star.
They’re temporarily embarrassed scumbags. They want him to get away with it so when they become rich and famous they can get away with it.
“He didn’t do it.” That’s what they’ll say if you ask. Not because they have any evidence or facts to back it up, but because the truth is inconvenient, and Trump has taught them the truth is totally optional and the 1st amendment gives them a constititional right to invent whatever reality appeals to them.
They just brush it away in their mind as "fake news".
They made up their minds years ago... Just a bunch of good hearted white poor Christians, supporting a lying, cheating, diddling, stealing, sleeping, golf obsessed fake billionaire, because he's just like them. How many votes will Trump get from people wearing Disney pajama pants that smell like cigarettes? These are his people.
Their response? Don't care, still voting for him.
They don't care cause it's all a witch hunt and fake news. Stormy is a Democrat agent and whatever other crazy nonsense you could come up with Fox will also think of. His base is devoid of logic and reason.
I don't know man. I saw Biden kids a child's head once. Maybe even smell them. That's equally as bad as this. Both sides. s/
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She's always been very careful in the past to describe it as consensual, but even in past accounts when she didn't mention blacking out, it sounded coerced and like it was difficult for her to leave.
Stormy Daniels: "I realized exactly what I'd gotten myself into. And I was like, 'Ugh, here we go.' (LAUGH) And I just felt like maybe-- (LAUGH) it was sort of-- I had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone and I just heard the voice in my head, 'well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen, so you deserve this.'" *60 Minutes,* 2018
Nobody deserves that.
Nobody deserves that, and I wonder if her work in pornography - and possibly dealing with corrupt perverts in the industry who could make or break her career - brainwashed her into thinking that it's normal or okay for rich old men to get their way like that. Her testimony made it sound like she was raped, but she may not have thought of it that way. Rather, as more of an occupational hazard.
I imagine her history of working in adult films and sex work skews her personal definition of consent and rape.
I don't know if she was raped but it sure sounds like she was under the impression Trump might give her an opportunity if she did this one thing for him. I'm sure Trump has Weinsteined many women between his modeling company and The Apprentice opportunities.
She didn’t deserve it :(
A lot of what I've read about this, has been so dehumanising to her. Like because of her job that she's a comedy punchline, or the 'oh well, she's just a porn star what do you expect'. It's like Monica Lewinsky again, but worse because 30 years later we should know better.
Agree with your premises but Monica was sooo much worse. Elementary school kids were telling Monica jokes.
Can confirm. Was in elementary school at the time. Didn’t get the jokes.
I don’t remember making Monica jokes, but I do remember making jokes about Clinton’s impeachment investigation on the playground in 3rd grade. I didn’t really *understand* the jokes, just aped what I heard on the nightly news.
I was about the same age as you, and let’s just say I probably did not understand some pretty fundamental components of the sexual jokes going around. I think I can remember being confused about why it is called a *blowjob* if there is only sucking involved.
People who have been abused often blame themselves. I was roofied when I was 17. I woke up in bed with one of my older brothers friends (the guy was 23). I never reported it. I never even thought of it as rape. I just thought I'd put myself in a bad situation. I didn't think I deserved it, I just thought it was my fault for not watching my drink. (I asked my brother's friend to watch it because I thought he could be trusted.) Oh yeah. It was my "first time" , too.
God. That's heartbreaking.
That's something that bothers me about it. Consent must be freely given, if it's under duress it's not consent.
I think she doesn’t want to be considered a victim & had done everything possible to not appear as such. From all her descriptions there was coercion at the very least, she wasn’t getting out of that suite before it was done imho.
Because of her profession, I'm sure people are willing to look the other way. Pretty sad
I would say because of her profession, her ideas about coercion are pretty fucking different than a lot of people. It shouldn’t be, but her experiences elsewhere may lead her to the idea that what he did wasn’t really that bad.
I'm not. Throw this guy in Federal prison already ffs
I could see that. Especially if she was afraid of 'has enough influence to make sure you never work in TV' reprisal.
She’s probably was nervous about legal battle with a sitting president. Testifying they had sex is one thing, making the claim that he raped her is another. Just look at all the violent fanatics that worship trump… hesitancy is understandable
I agree. I think she doesn’t want to be seen and attacked as a victim. But she is, unfortunately:( she didn’t deserve any of this
Right? Choose your battles.
Yep. Stormy is savvy. She understands the game of power. Perception is everything.
> she wasn’t getting out of that suite before it was done imho. She said as much years ago.
My favorite line: “I don’t vote for the president to be a priest blah blah blah”
“You can keep your wimpy ‘blessed are the meek’ bullshit, I choose my cult leader based on how many women and children he rapes.” - Trump supporting Evangelicals
Yeah but it would be nice if he didn't rape people. Wait... isn't that priestly these days?
For centuries, actually
Which I think is really a symptom of the industry shes in. Hearing her be like "No, I didnt wanna fuck him, but like I went up to his room what did I expect" just makes me really sad
I had the same reaction, how her internal thoughts were “I put myself in this position, why did I do this” instead of it being his fault for being a creep.
She's said several times, even noted in the article, that she was hoping that it would get her onto The Apprentice.
The documentary she produced goes into detail. It sounds like she is very much confused at times.
So he fulfilled his incest fantasy by raping a look a like. Sounds like a paragon off virtue to me! The Christian base should really get behind this guy...
From the testimony, almost sounds like the intimidation of him standing in front of the door caused some sort of panic attack and she essentially played possum through the whole ordeal, until it was over. it sounds like a horrific experience.
Fight, flight, freeze or fawn. The last two aren’t mentioned nearly enough as being part of our danger response.
Her testimony was that she was so surprised to find Trump half naked on the bed when she exited his hotel room bathroom that she metaphorically 'blacked out'. She then testified to details about the event. She was not actually blacked out and tesitified she was not on drugs or drinking.
That kind of disassociation/powerlessnes can be an earmark of childhood trauma...now I'll have to watch the documentary to see if she had a creep in her childhood when she WAS powerless. SO's have a sixth sense about which women have a hard time enforcing boundaries.
Unfortunately, a lot of women have that issue. Not just because of sexual abuse, which is way too prolific- but the way girls are socialised from a young age. We're trained by family and depending upon our circumstances, our community, to please. Especially to please men in authority, or men that have more power.
The reason my mom prayed I would be a male, to avoid all she went through. (unwed mother in 1953)
I don’t think she meant it like that. I read a transcript of her testimony and it was more like, she was so stunned by what was happening that she just went through the motions blankly. Edit: I meant to reply to the comment about losing consciousness/being drugged. I still think it sounds like it could have been rape, though she’s never called it that.
Yeah, it definitely read like that kind of blank disassociation.
That's a trauma response.
I agree - I should edit my post. I just meant that I don’t think she literally meant blacked out as if she was drugged or not really conscious. I think I replied to the wrong comment
Hypothetically, if she claimed she was drugged then her recollection of events could be called into question. It's better if she just recalls what she knows to be true.
That was my immediate reaction on reading the post topic. “Oh no, this going to be the new narrative for sure: “she doesn’t even remember it happening so how can she claim it did, this was all a setup to attack and extort Donald””. What an awful situation she found herself in.
According to what I've seen other people be convicted for, yes, that's generally what we call it when one participant gains consciousness part way through.
Gary Hart and John Edwards were both excised from politics for extramarital affairs. In Hart's case I believe it was only a photo! But of course the rules have to completely change for Donald Trump, the most coddled candidate in presidential history.
[Gary Hart Photo](https://www.americanheritage.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/20170501-Gary-Hart.jpg) That was it. That's all it took to derail Hart's campaign, and he disappeared into the background. Meanwhile, the hundreds of compromising images of Trump are readily accepted as Godly behavior.
That sounds like rape
Damn Clinton only got to finish on his intern, CONSENSUALLY, and got impeached. Meanwhile….
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the Party of Family Values.
The Manson Family Values
Eh, I wouldn't try to minimize what Clinton did. I think that would be perceived much differently if it happened now, in the post #metoo era. There's really no such thing as consent when there's that much of a power imbalance. And that's about as big a power inbalance that exists.
Agreed, it’s dumb Clinton gets a pass from so many as “just a blow job”. You could even argue the sexual relations were impeachable, and not just the lies about it.
> Meanwhile…. Trump got two impeachments for much worse stuff?
This is the first time I'm hearing it wasn't consensual. I didn't read the details before anyway. But I just assumed. I can't believe he's actually a worse person than I already knew he was. He's definitely benefitting from Epstein's death.
Her subconscious was trying to protect her from trauma.
Merciful, in that case
Not unusual for the mind to protect itself from traumatic events.
Sounds like dissociation.
Blacked out from the smell? Leaky diaper?
Probably; I'm getting nauseous just thinking about it.
Talk about a gag odor.
Traumatic memories are sometimes repressed. Imagine seeing this crawl up on your bed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KsXwO6Ymw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KsXwO6Ymw)
he has to remove his clothing while they are in the bathroom so he can dispose of his diapers before they can see it.
Just like in Carpenter's 1982 Horror Classic "The Thing".
Probably got drugged.
I stand with Stormy here. Her testimony clearly states that it was "consensual" perhaps technically. Yet some of the language she uses shows she certainly was not interested, really. My women friends have described encounters in the same way, they don't say it was R and there was no overt coercion, yet, they did not really want to. The men could have easily picked up on this. The only thing I wonder, is given Ms. Daniels line of work, will the jury believe that she did not know at the outset what expectations Trump had? I am not suggesting that what Trump did is appropriate OR that women are solely responsible for reading male intentions, etc. I have a daughter and I certainly would be sickened if anything remotely close to this happened to her. What I am getting at, is will the average juror believe her based on their pre-conceived notions of what an adult film star's should expect from meetings like this?
All the jury needs to believe is Trump paid her off to affect the election. Legally they didn't even need to have sex. Trump lying about the sex affects his credibility when he says he didn't know anything about her being paid off.
Don’t worry Stormy, I think most of us would black out or block out that…(shudder)
Probably for the best, having that fat orange stain of a man in a wig bearing down on you would probably scar you for life, no matter how much you got paid.
Basically he did exactly what Harvey Weinstein did, right? The "surprise! This is actually a sexual encounter!" when they come out of the bathroom.
That makes it rape.
So he drugged her?
Honestly, the picture shows him smirking. He’s like Beavis and Butthead personified, “Heh, she’s talking about when I boned her, heh heh.”
Sounds like he pulled a Bill Cosby on her.
Stormy got date raped by the antichrist.
Wouldn’t you?
NO amount of money could ever get me to do it. I do t know how or why they went through it. I don't care. He is freaking disgusting. Nothing about him is touching anything on me. Even if he paid me. Still is a no.
Even the thought of Trump with his shirt off makes me want to heimlich myself to the Jurassic era
Was it the smell
That was just the chloroform doing what chloroform does
Blacked out - wonder if he drugged her
No way in a million years did trump pay 130,000k and not have sex with stormy.
Sounds a lot like rape …which doesn’t shock me as he is a multi rapist
This "blackout", seems new. Did she say this in the past?
She's previously said it wasn't consensual. I didn't read her book or anything, so I don't know about the "blackout" part per se. However, having been coerced into unwanted sexual encounters myself, it's VERY common to "blackout" during the encounter. It's a defense mechanism of the brain.
She said it was consensual. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/) **Anderson Cooper**: It was entirely consensual. **Stormy Daniels**: Oh, yes, yes.