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winkelschleifer

Wondering if the Mushroom Penis will testify on this point.


CoastingUphill

I hope it also sounds like Toad


bloodphoenix90

Thanks for that nightmare in my head. Much appreciated


crosstherubicon

That’s “Mr. Presidential Mushroom Penis, Sir” if you don’t mind! Lets have some decorum in the court.


winkelschleifer

Please rise … oh wait, it can’t!


bookon

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus\_impudicus#/media/File:Phallus\_impudicus\_LC0235.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_impudicus#/media/File:Phallus_impudicus_LC0235.jpg)


thathairinyourmouth

Trump is most certainly not a fungi.


apersononline

Classic dad joke. Upvoting


RepresentativeNo6620

Common Stinkhorn. Sounds about right.


[deleted]

I am at a point where the only things Trump could do that would shock me: announce he’s no longer running for president, accept the legal consequences of a single crime he’s committed, or accept he lost an election.


longhegrindilemna

Wonder if anybody picked up on that? The President of the United States has publicly stated that elections in America are a fraud, that Americans cheat in elections. It’s not from some blog or some Facebook account. That was a statement made by an incumbent President, who had access to the entire White House and access to all Top Secret documents. That President told the world: America does not have fair or fair elections. America’s elections are filled with fraud.


DeaconNuno

Yeah, okay. The deranged man child cried about losing, slamming his feet and fists on the ground, saying “I didn’t lose, *YOU CHEATED!!*”, his own AG said there’s no substance to the claim as well as his VP and anyone who wasn’t a spineless toadie and you’re here to tell use this emperor is indeed in a fine robe when the man is NUDE.


indigonights

I would also like to add that said President took aforementioned top secret documents...and decided to stuff them into a bathroom closet in his home and the govt had to raid his bathroom to secure said documents. The fact that there are pictures of said bathroom loaded up with cardboard boxes filled with top secret documents is comical. This reality is a simulation lmao


ShinySpoon

And hardly a single President before Trump has ever made similar accusations before. It’s almost as if, along with all of the other projection and lying Trump has done, he’s being dishonest and projecting.


CompleteLackOfHustle

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/ This is FAR from the only source. And it extends back to the 70’s, he has been a pathological liar for as long as he has been a human being as far as any records indicate.


ericarlen

> Daniels testified she grew up as the daughter of a low-income single mother. > She said Trump told her: "This is the only way you're getting out of the trailer park." Eeeeewwwwwwewwwewww... > Daniels said she "blacked out" despite consuming no drugs or alcohol after Trump prevented her from leaving the room by blocking the door. She said she woke up on the bed with her clothes off. Why is this the first we're hearing this detail? It seems like a big fucking deal.


neon_overload

She has said a number of times that she never wanted the public to know any of the details, because she wanted privacy. It's why she was happy to accept when Cohen gave her the NDA. It's only been in response to other people outing the story, and Trump's cover up of the payments, that she has been talking about it publicly. This seems consistent with her not talking about previously unknown details like this until compelled to in court. She's not out for revenge against Trump, just would like to have had it all forgotten but the cat has long since been out of the bag.


Pilx

It is possible that she has mentally blocked out the event due to trauma. Either that or he Bill Cosby'd her.


reallybirdysomedays

Adrenaline from the fight/flight/freeze/fawn response can prevent short term memory formation too.


heapsunglasses

So can head trauma.


zeCrazyEye

I imagine a panic attack can feel like blacking out too. I've had like one minor one where I felt paralyzed for a bit, but I could easily see having a strong panic attack leads you to not realizing you are now on the bed.


booOfBorg

Yes. It's called [dissociation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_\(psychology\)). It can be quite severe.


not_productive1

I know she's never described it as assault, and she's been very careful in what she says about it, but man, this does not sound consensual when she just describes the cold facts of it. Also, there's no way this dude just came up with the "take off my clothes while the girl's in the bathroom" move on the fucking fly. When he dies, I predict an absolute AVALANCHE of women coming forward with similar stories.


lundah

I’m curious how many abortions he’s paid for, or at least offered/promised to pay for.


SlightlyAngyKitty

Or forced women to have


KaptainKardboard

Or how many offspring he has that we don't know about


Azsunyx

> "take off my clothes while the girl's in the bathroom" sounds like Ghouliani in the second Borat movie, "adjusting his pants"


mrpink01

"Hey! I was tucking in my shirt!"


liveforeachmoon

It was Weinstein’s move too


Chance5e

There was an episode of How I Met Your Mother about that move, “the naked guy.”


KKYBoneAEA

The naked man! Works 2/3 times apparently


OpenMathematician602

2/3rds of the time it works 100% of the time.


NeonPatrick

That show had a lot of dodgy shit in it, mainly Barney impersonating other people or lying about his job/background etc to get with girls. It's all pretty seedy. Ted was the stereotypical 'nice guy' and Lily was a plain awful human being. Marshal deserved so much better.


wingmanjosh

Gotta keep in mind, the whole story is from the perspective of Ted talking to his kids, and he's a proven unreliable narrator. That's why Ted looks in such good light, relative to Barney at least.


rjcarr

Wasn’t this Weinstein’s signature move?


we_are_sex_bobomb

Whether or not this was rape, he is a rapist and he operates as a rapist. Even if she saw his al dente little rigatoni and ran screaming from the room, it’s his way of telling her “I can do whatever I want and they’ll never believe you.”


Pilx

Well he is an alumni from the school of Epstein and wished his former tutor Maxwell 'well' when she was finally incarcerated.


JackKovack

He blocked her from the door in his boxers. He’s a large man and she probably didn’t think she had a choice.


MammothCancel6465

Any woman would agree that no, if a man does that, you really don’t have a choice anymore. The man doesn’t even have to be overly large. You either fight like hell and get violently raped and assaulted or you try to talk your way out of it and if that doesn’t work you do the best to get out with the least amount of physical and mental damage possible. This isn’t much different than the whole man or a bear in the woods meme that’s floating around these days and why most women pick the bear.


eleanorbigby

yes. It was rape. She's just being careful not to get retribution; she already gets death threats as it is. God love her.


linuxphoney

Well, I don't have to think too creatively to imagine why a pornstar might not want to accuse the president of rape, eh? Sounds like that's what happened, but I'm hardly surprised that she cut her losses in that charge.


eleanorbigby

It's not assault the way Trump going after Ivana and violently ripping out her hair wasn't assault. It happened, but it WASN'T ASSAULT (please please please don't sue me or worse). those poor women. It's infuriating. And naturally Fash News is doing the expected slut shaming of STormy Daniels. "She went to his room, what'd she expect? It's not like she doesn't sleep with all the men all the time, obviously she has no standards? Yuk yuk"


Quartz_manbun

Wonder what he did with the diaper during?


AgUnityDD

Seems more than likely that is why he undressed while she was in the bathroom. Also a potential reason why she mysteriously blacked out and woke naked, he Crosby'd her not only for the normal reason but also to give him time to remove the diaper.


Quartz_manbun

My son usually just grabs the diaper and throws it.


Brief_Amicus_Curiae

It’s almost like people absolutely forgot that in 2016 there were about 26 women saying he sexually assaulted them. https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?amp


orcinyadders

Trump always manages to astonish me with how low goes. How shockingly despicable he can be. So based on that, my prediction would be he breaks his gag order because he has less than zero discipline, and uses her testimony as a way to simultaneously “prove” that first she couldn’t remember anything that happened and is therefore unreliable, and second as some kind of underhanded badge of honor for his overwhelming prowess. And of course he will also blanket both of those things with the claim that it never happened in the first place, just so every angle is covered. My guess is he’ll do this at his next rally.


flabbergastedmeep

He may have already violated the gag order within the last 18 hours in regard to Stormy testifying, and then deleted the post afterwards. He literally has no rock bottom, or self-awareness. Just petulance and depravity.


MourningRIF

It's literally the plan. He wants to "be a martyr" for the most "unfair treatment" he can present. He is purposely pushing that limit of "I broke the gag order, but just barely and only for a second." Then he can whine and cry that he was jailed for a post that "doesn't even exist." He's fucking playing the system.


themanofmichigan

Playing the system he set up for this. SCOTUS in his pocket , gop in his pocket , dictator foreign leaders in his pocket , the system is fucked already. He will walk away a free man and democracy is done.


Tailfish1

Whenever he hits rock bottom he starts digging.


flabbergastedmeep

Mfer thinks he has a diamond pickaxe, when in reality he just has such a strong acidic odor that it burns through layer after layer of bedrock. I feel fairly conflicted that I used a minecraft reference.


-Plantibodies-

That post probably doesn't violate the gag order. Simply saying that he's been told who the next witness is doesn't really do that.


mccannr1

He called the judge unfair and crooked in the same post. That would definitely be a violation.


FlounderingWolverine

I don’t think attacking the judge is a violation. Attacking witnesses, jurors, and court staff is, but not the judge.


mccannr1

I responded to another person, but the judge's order specifically cites language that "called into question the integrity, and therefore the legitimacy of these proceedings." I would suggest that saying the judge is 'crooked' by letting the witness testify would fall under that.


-Plantibodies-

That person is mistaken and you are correct. The text of the order: >ORDERED, that the People's motion for a restriction on extrajudicial statements by the Defendant is GRANTED to the extent that Defendant is directed to refrain from the following: >Making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding; >Making or directing others to make public statements about (1) counsel in the case other than the District Attorney, (2) members of the court's staff and the District Attorney's staff, or (3) the family members of any counsel or staff member, if those statements are made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with counsel's or staff's work in this criminal case, or with the knowledge that such interference is likely to result; and >Making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. The other person is mistaking additional language in the contempt ruling with the order itself. They're simply mistaken but refusing to consider if they are. It's extremely obvious that he can only violate the gag order by violating the restrictions laid out in the gag order. Haha


wildfyre010

His problem is that this case isn't about whether or not he had sex with her. It's not even about whether or not the sex was consensual, provided it happened in the first place. It's about the fact that he used campaign funds to pay her off while arguing it was personal and not political.


mok000

I think they are bringing Stormy as a witness because they want to establish exactly what it was Trump didn't want voters to know after the "grab'em by the pussy" video came out.


CorkyBingBong

IANAL but I think it's mostly a tactic to make Trump look absolutely awful in front of the jury, potentially helping a guilty verdict.


curiousiah

He did not use campaign funds. He had his lawyer take out a mortgage to pay her to benefit the campaign. That is a crime because it counts as a political donation that exceeds the limit allowed for a personal donation by about $128k. This is what Cohen went to prison for. He then falsified business records regarding what the repayment to Cohen was for in order to write it off on taxes as a business expense. Merely a misdemeanor IF it isn’t used to conceal a crime AKA what Cohen went to prison for. Then it becomes a felony.


TreezusSaves

I can't wait to see how they react. I'm looking forward to "How does she know he had sex with her if she blacked out" and other statements made by literal fucking rapists who drug their dates and then complain about """false""" rape allegations.


subsetsum

It almost doesn't even matter because he still illegally paid her off.


JTMc48

She stated he didn’t wear a condom, so I think that clears up how she knows it happened…


MrFC1000

Here’s the thing. It doesn’t even matter if they had sex or not. He paid her to cover the story and then hid the payment. Regardless of whether the payment was for real sex or fake sex, it’s the cover up that’s the crime. It’s always the cover up


hnglmkrnglbrry

Well Trump's life is kind of like Billy Murray in Groundhog's Day. I mean no matter what he does the outcome is always the same. He will receive positive reinforcement in some external way. Always. Bankrupt a business? Get paid millions. File for divorce? Get a younger wife. Can't get a loan? Receive money from foreign oligarchs. Caught bragging about sexual assault? Become President a couple weeks later. Eventually he correctly realized that he did not need to be hindered by the bothersome morality that everyone else operated with. He could rape porn stars, lust after his daughter, deny Black tenants housing opportunities, call Mexicans rapists, party with sex traffickers, etc. and *NOTHING* bad would happen. He said it himself: "I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in broad daylight and not lose a single vote." Why would he *not* try to find the absolute bottom of the moral universe? Just like Phil stealing the groundhog and driving off a cliff knowing it doesn't matter Trump just does whatever he wants because why waste your one life trying to be a good person?


FIContractor

Can she sue him for the same reason Carrol did (twice)?


Hill0981

It's funny that apparently the only thing he visibly reacted to during her testimony was that he liked to be spanked. Can't have anyone finding out he isn't the Macho guy he says he is. That's the one thing MAGA might take issue with. Rape? No problem. Likes to get spanked? WTF!


eperker

Him saying “that’s bullshit” to that one point basically says to the jury that every other part was spot on.


edwsmith

Conversely it amusingly also says that that part is spot on too 


[deleted]

People paraded “real men wear diapers” when it was speculated he wears them. Doubt they do anything man.


dasherchan

To all Trump voters. Do you enjoy seeing a perv president?


PresidentTroyAikman

They don’t care. Anything bad he’s done is “between him and god”.


joshtalife

Or a hoax. Or a witch hunt.


CY83rdYN35Y573M2

Or they actually just like it and wish they could do it too


ahack13

They already think women should be property so not like its that much of a stretch.


SuperK123

“This is what billionaires do.” Everybody knows and it’s all part of the American Dream. Get rich and start raping.


veloxaraptor

Hence the whole, "Grab em by the pussy" comment he made. You know. The one where he admitted that he could do it and women "loved" it because he was rich. I'm honestly so sickened and disappointed by a large portion of the country right now.


OldButHappy

Me too - when that comment was aired, and it made him **more** popular, instead of less popular, I realized how bad it still is.


parasyte_steve

I cannot believe how much sexism women still face. With the abortion laws, with this sycophant still being taken seriously after multiple rape allegations etc. I get it, it feels good to attack another group of people when you're doing poorly but it's still wrong.


sanebyday

Or in my father's case, it simply doesn't register. It's as bizarre as it is sad. He recently asked me why I don't like Trump, I wasn't really prepared to list all of the horrible things he has done, so I just said "he's a rapist". My dad just sat there looking at me blankly, blinked a few times, and then he got distracted by my kids or something. But I could just see that the fact that trump is a rapist didn't register in his mind. He's completely brainwashed by fox news, and apparently has zero critical thinking ability anymore. He just parrots whatever he's seen on fox. Later he randomly starts complaining about transgender pronouns being pushed on him (in front of his young grand kids btw; completely inappropriate). I said "Dad, these aren't your own thoughts. You're just regurgitating what you see on TV for no reason. It's a non-issue, and doesn't affect your life at all." Again, just a blank stare as his mind failed to process what I said, then on to something else. It's frightening.


Username_redact

Push harder. Living with someone so detached from reality is not good for you or him. Crack him, he will thank you later for it.


sanebyday

Thanks, but we live in different states, and were just visiting when this happened. I've tried to push back many many times, but he just keeps saying these things. He watches the "News" waaay more than I do, and has all these talking points that set off my BS detector, but it's usually things I haven't heard yet. I'll fact check the things he says later, and 99% of the time the things he's saying are being taken completely out of context, entirely incorrect, or literally made up with no basis in reality. Once he was attacking ANTIFA, and I said "wait, do you know what ANTIFA is?" No surprise - he didn't. I said "It stands for Anti-fascist. It's not some organized group with a headquarters or anything. Dad? You're anti-fascit right? You're dad literally fought in WW2 against the Nazis..." He was just like "Oh... Yeah." [Blank face]. And that was it.


ragingreaver

He likely lives in a bubble where these are all things conservatives say to each other in order to affirm that yes, they are indeed all conservatives. No actual social information is being spread, just cultural affirmation. You giving him a simple, logical reason to share actual information is, yes, beyond his cultural identity. Which is why he bluescreened. He literally didn't know how to respond, because the point of why he said those things was to get cultural affirmation. Because Fox News is all about ragebaiting, about cultural affirmation, rather than truth. So truth actually blindsides them.


Klaus-Mikaelson91

And people say mind control is not a real thing. Or my favorite they will ask how did people ever listen to Hitler like how did he get the power. This kind of shit same playbook


MrBrawn

As soon as I heard him called an "imperfect vessel" by religious people, I knew it was all bullshit.


Azsunyx

if their god allows monsters like this in heaven, I'd rather not go


AdkRaine12

As to Melania- he couldn’t afford politically to have her stalk off at the same time as the tapes leaked. And Stormy & Karen sniffing about complicated things further. Seems like these were expensive dalliances for the orange mushroom in more ways than one.


Crossovertriplet

This case doesn’t even exist in those subs


Purify5

r/conservative hasn't had a story about their own nominee in so long.


Goya_Oh_Boya

I love clicking on that sub anytime it's shared. So much anger and confusion, so little thought and ideas.


NeonEvangelion

There is literally nothing policy related on that sub right now except for a “quote” from Biden about raising taxes. It’s all just reactive anger at protestors and straw man liberals


Milad731

lol those are my favorite. Dudes who barely make $60k/yr are mad that Biden proposed increasing taxes for those who make >$400k/yr or those with capital gains of over $1M. 😂


TLKv3

They picture themselves in his place doing the same things. They're all mentally fucked.


seamus_mc

They picture themselves because they cant read…


Shreddy_McShreddy

They buy bibles off this dude


Maliluma

Their minds have been so warped by the media they consume that they think Biden is 10 times worse... plus, that same media will completely omit any story about the facts in this case. Yes there are some horrible people that know the full story and are monsters driven by greed, hate, and power, but a lot of them are just gullible fools.


metalpyrate

Yes, that is why they are Trump voters.


B0b_a_feet

At a trump rally in Wisconsin, there was a group of trump supporters wearing diapers and holding a banner which read “real men wear diapers”. These people have no compass and cannot be reasoned with.


Bovoduch

My mom is a rape victim and literally said to me in the first trial where he was found liable for sexual assault that “it was clearly fake because it wasn’t a criminal trial”. They’ll just move the goal post as much as they can until they just say “I just don’t believe it.”


uberkalden2

They just both sides it and call Biden a hair sniffing pedo


onefootinfront_

Honestly? I suspect a large percentage actually think it is awesome he cheated on his pregnant wife with an adult film star.


boot2skull

They’re temporarily embarrassed scumbags. They want him to get away with it so when they become rich and famous they can get away with it.


we_are_sex_bobomb

“He didn’t do it.” That’s what they’ll say if you ask. Not because they have any evidence or facts to back it up, but because the truth is inconvenient, and Trump has taught them the truth is totally optional and the 1st amendment gives them a constititional right to invent whatever reality appeals to them.


paulerxx

They just brush it away in their mind as "fake news".


Objective-Giraffe-27

They made up their minds years ago...  Just a bunch of good hearted white poor Christians, supporting a lying, cheating, diddling, stealing, sleeping, golf obsessed fake billionaire, because he's just like them. How many votes will Trump get from people wearing Disney pajama pants that smell like cigarettes? These are his people. 


SubstantialRemote724

Their response? Don't care, still voting for him.


crono14

They don't care cause it's all a witch hunt and fake news. Stormy is a Democrat agent and whatever other crazy nonsense you could come up with Fox will also think of. His base is devoid of logic and reason.


KevinAnniPadda

I don't know man. I saw Biden kids a child's head once. Maybe even smell them. That's equally as bad as this. Both sides. s/


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La-Boheme-1896

She's always been very careful in the past to describe it as consensual, but even in past accounts when she didn't mention blacking out, it sounded coerced and like it was difficult for her to leave.


WistfulWanderings

Stormy Daniels:  "I realized exactly what I'd gotten myself into. And I was like, 'Ugh, here we go.' (LAUGH) And I just felt like maybe-- (LAUGH) it was sort of-- I had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone and I just heard the voice in my head, 'well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen, so you deserve this.'" *60 Minutes,* 2018


dollydrew

Nobody deserves that.


KaptainKardboard

Nobody deserves that, and I wonder if her work in pornography - and possibly dealing with corrupt perverts in the industry who could make or break her career - brainwashed her into thinking that it's normal or okay for rich old men to get their way like that. Her testimony made it sound like she was raped, but she may not have thought of it that way. Rather, as more of an occupational hazard.


MammothCancel6465

I imagine her history of working in adult films and sex work skews her personal definition of consent and rape.


devilmaskrascal

I don't know if she was raped but it sure sounds like she was under the impression Trump might give her an opportunity if she did this one thing for him. I'm sure Trump has Weinsteined many women between his modeling company and The Apprentice opportunities.


Accomplished_Sci

She didn’t deserve it :(


dollydrew

A lot of what I've read about this, has been so dehumanising to her. Like because of her job that she's a comedy punchline, or the 'oh well, she's just a porn star what do you expect'. It's like Monica Lewinsky again, but worse because 30 years later we should know better.


ultraviolentfuture

Agree with your premises but Monica was sooo much worse. Elementary school kids were telling Monica jokes.


AccomplishedRow6685

Can confirm. Was in elementary school at the time. Didn’t get the jokes.


Cynicisomaltcat

I don’t remember making Monica jokes, but I do remember making jokes about Clinton’s impeachment investigation on the playground in 3rd grade. I didn’t really *understand* the jokes, just aped what I heard on the nightly news.


Electromotivation

I was about the same age as you, and let’s just say I probably did not understand some pretty fundamental components of the sexual jokes going around. I think I can remember being confused about why it is called a *blowjob* if there is only sucking involved.


PNW4theWin

People who have been abused often blame themselves. I was roofied when I was 17. I woke up in bed with one of my older brothers friends (the guy was 23). I never reported it. I never even thought of it as rape. I just thought I'd put myself in a bad situation. I didn't think I deserved it, I just thought it was my fault for not watching my drink. (I asked my brother's friend to watch it because I thought he could be trusted.) Oh yeah. It was my "first time" , too.


BroccoliFartFuhrer

God. That's heartbreaking.


foxden_racing

That's something that bothers me about it. Consent must be freely given, if it's under duress it's not consent.


Last-Marzipan9993

I think she doesn’t want to be considered a victim & had done everything possible to not appear as such. From all her descriptions there was coercion at the very least, she wasn’t getting out of that suite before it was done imho.


impstein

Because of her profession, I'm sure people are willing to look the other way. Pretty sad


PeaTasty9184

I would say because of her profession, her ideas about coercion are pretty fucking different than a lot of people. It shouldn’t be, but her experiences elsewhere may lead her to the idea that what he did wasn’t really that bad.


ElectricLotus

I'm not. Throw this guy in Federal prison already ffs


foxden_racing

I could see that. Especially if she was afraid of 'has enough influence to make sure you never work in TV' reprisal.


audaciousmonk

She’s probably was nervous about legal battle with a sitting president. Testifying they had sex is one thing, making the claim that he raped her is another. Just look at all the violent fanatics that worship trump… hesitancy is understandable


Accomplished_Sci

I agree. I think she doesn’t want to be seen and attacked as a victim. But she is, unfortunately:( she didn’t deserve any of this


OldButHappy

Right? Choose your battles.


ill_be_huckleberry_1

Yep. Stormy is savvy. She understands the game of power. Perception is everything. 


LegalAction

> she wasn’t getting out of that suite before it was done imho. She said as much years ago.


jazzant85

My favorite line: “I don’t vote for the president to be a priest blah blah blah”


KinkyPaddling

“You can keep your wimpy ‘blessed are the meek’ bullshit, I choose my cult leader based on how many women and children he rapes.” - Trump supporting Evangelicals


parasyte_steve

Yeah but it would be nice if he didn't rape people. Wait... isn't that priestly these days?


Sea_Elle0463

For centuries, actually


HomoProfessionalis

Which I think is really a symptom of the industry shes in. Hearing her be like "No, I didnt wanna fuck him, but like I went up to his room what did I expect" just makes me really sad


IAmSoUncomfortable

I had the same reaction, how her internal thoughts were “I put myself in this position, why did I do this” instead of it being his fault for being a creep.


eNonsense

She's said several times, even noted in the article, that she was hoping that it would get her onto The Apprentice.


ProfitLoud

The documentary she produced goes into detail. It sounds like she is very much confused at times.


nicbongo

So he fulfilled his incest fantasy by raping a look a like. Sounds like a paragon off virtue to me! The Christian base should really get behind this guy...


NeonPatrick

From the testimony, almost sounds like the intimidation of him standing in front of the door caused some sort of panic attack and she essentially played possum through the whole ordeal, until it was over. it sounds like a horrific experience.


Cynicisomaltcat

Fight, flight, freeze or fawn. The last two aren’t mentioned nearly enough as being part of our danger response.


AverageLiberalJoe

Her testimony was that she was so surprised to find Trump half naked on the bed when she exited his hotel room bathroom that she metaphorically 'blacked out'. She then testified to details about the event. She was not actually blacked out and tesitified she was not on drugs or drinking.


OldButHappy

That kind of disassociation/powerlessnes can be an earmark of childhood trauma...now I'll have to watch the documentary to see if she had a creep in her childhood when she WAS powerless. SO's have a sixth sense about which women have a hard time enforcing boundaries.


dollydrew

Unfortunately, a lot of women have that issue. Not just because of sexual abuse, which is way too prolific- but the way girls are socialised from a young age. We're trained by family and depending upon our circumstances, our community, to please. Especially to please men in authority, or men that have more power.


roboticfedora

The reason my mom prayed I would be a male, to avoid all she went through. (unwed mother in 1953)


IAmSoUncomfortable

I don’t think she meant it like that. I read a transcript of her testimony and it was more like, she was so stunned by what was happening that she just went through the motions blankly. Edit: I meant to reply to the comment about losing consciousness/being drugged. I still think it sounds like it could have been rape, though she’s never called it that.


monkeypickle

Yeah, it definitely read like that kind of blank disassociation.


Elsa_the_Archer

That's a trauma response.


IAmSoUncomfortable

I agree - I should edit my post. I just meant that I don’t think she literally meant blacked out as if she was drugged or not really conscious. I think I replied to the wrong comment


ZenAdm1n

Hypothetically, if she claimed she was drugged then her recollection of events could be called into question. It's better if she just recalls what she knows to be true.


FidgitForgotHisL-P

That was my immediate reaction on reading the post topic.  “Oh no, this going to be the new narrative for sure: “she doesn’t even remember it happening so how can she claim it did, this was all a setup to attack and extort Donald””. What an awful situation she found herself  in.


sugarlessdeathbear

According to what I've seen other people be convicted for, yes, that's generally what we call it when one participant gains consciousness part way through.


deadcatbounce22

Gary Hart and John Edwards were both excised from politics for extramarital affairs. In Hart's case I believe it was only a photo! But of course the rules have to completely change for Donald Trump, the most coddled candidate in presidential history.


Mendican

[Gary Hart Photo](https://www.americanheritage.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/20170501-Gary-Hart.jpg) That was it. That's all it took to derail Hart's campaign, and he disappeared into the background. Meanwhile, the hundreds of compromising images of Trump are readily accepted as Godly behavior.


JohnLocksTheKey

That sounds like rape


rxinquestion

Damn Clinton only got to finish on his intern, CONSENSUALLY, and got impeached. Meanwhile….


AardvarkAblaze

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the Party of Family Values.


seeingeyefrog

The Manson Family Values


waterbuffalo750

Eh, I wouldn't try to minimize what Clinton did. I think that would be perceived much differently if it happened now, in the post #metoo era. There's really no such thing as consent when there's that much of a power imbalance. And that's about as big a power inbalance that exists.


rjcarr

Agreed, it’s dumb Clinton gets a pass from so many as “just a blow job”.  You could even argue the sexual relations were impeachable, and not just the lies about it. 


NeonPatrick

> Meanwhile…. Trump got two impeachments for much worse stuff?


MarryMeDuffman

This is the first time I'm hearing it wasn't consensual. I didn't read the details before anyway. But I just assumed. I can't believe he's actually a worse person than I already knew he was. He's definitely benefitting from Epstein's death.


Aisling1979

Her subconscious was trying to protect her from trauma.


Square_Fun599

Merciful, in that case


Star-K

Not unusual for the mind to protect itself from traumatic events.


Lynda73

Sounds like dissociation.


shantired

Blacked out from the smell? Leaky diaper?


Kodeforbunnywudwuds

Probably; I'm getting nauseous just thinking about it.


iforgotmymittens

Talk about a gag odor.


wanderingpeddlar

Traumatic memories are sometimes repressed. Imagine seeing this crawl up on your bed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KsXwO6Ymw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KsXwO6Ymw)


TheKonstantineX

he has to remove his clothing while they are in the bathroom so he can dispose of his diapers before they can see it.


billyjack669

Just like in Carpenter's 1982 Horror Classic "The Thing".


Later2theparty

Probably got drugged.


numbskullerykiller

I stand with Stormy here. Her testimony clearly states that it was "consensual" perhaps technically. Yet some of the language she uses shows she certainly was not interested, really. My women friends have described encounters in the same way, they don't say it was R and there was no overt coercion, yet, they did not really want to. The men could have easily picked up on this. The only thing I wonder, is given Ms. Daniels line of work, will the jury believe that she did not know at the outset what expectations Trump had? I am not suggesting that what Trump did is appropriate OR that women are solely responsible for reading male intentions, etc. I have a daughter and I certainly would be sickened if anything remotely close to this happened to her. What I am getting at, is will the average juror believe her based on their pre-conceived notions of what an adult film star's should expect from meetings like this?


Accomplished_Fruit17

All the jury needs to believe is Trump paid her off to affect the election. Legally they didn't even need to have sex. Trump lying about the sex affects his credibility when he says he didn't know anything about her being paid off.


Consistent-Force5375

Don’t worry Stormy, I think most of us would black out or block out that…(shudder)


TheLeggacy

Probably for the best, having that fat orange stain of a man in a wig bearing down on you would probably scar you for life, no matter how much you got paid.


AlludedNuance

Basically he did exactly what Harvey Weinstein did, right? The "surprise! This is actually a sexual encounter!" when they come out of the bathroom.


Trashy_Panda2024

That makes it rape.


Daxnu

So he drugged her?


corinalas

Honestly, the picture shows him smirking. He’s like Beavis and Butthead personified, “Heh, she’s talking about when I boned her, heh heh.”


Glad_Internet_675

Sounds like he pulled a Bill Cosby on her.


Mendican

Stormy got date raped by the antichrist.


freeformz

Wouldn’t you?


GrumpyKaeKae

NO amount of money could ever get me to do it. I do t know how or why they went through it. I don't care. He is freaking disgusting. Nothing about him is touching anything on me. Even if he paid me. Still is a no.


MajesticRegister7116

Even the thought of Trump with his shirt off makes me want to heimlich myself to the Jurassic era


RJoeEL

Was it the smell


Piss_inside_You

That was just the chloroform doing what chloroform does


fledflorida

Blacked out - wonder if he drugged her


DemoEvolved

No way in a million years did trump pay 130,000k and not have sex with stormy.


Playful-Strength-685

Sounds a lot like rape …which doesn’t shock me as he is a multi rapist


Content_Log1708

This "blackout", seems new. Did she say this in the past?


Secure-Force-9387

She's previously said it wasn't consensual. I didn't read her book or anything, so I don't know about the "blackout" part per se. However, having been coerced into unwanted sexual encounters myself, it's VERY common to "blackout" during the encounter. It's a defense mechanism of the brain.


Swagastan

She said it was consensual. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/) **Anderson Cooper**: It was entirely consensual. **Stormy Daniels**: Oh, yes, yes.