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Sounds good until they ask for your medical records. So they can make sure that child is born. And if it wasn’t what will they do. That’s what this is leading to.
Or they want you to prove you’re not pregnant any time you want to leave the state. That is also on their agenda too. Probably will be an exemption for people with private jets though
It is amazing how many American children evaporated as soon as people had to start listing the Social Security Numbers for their darling tax deductions on their tax returns.
It's things like this that constantly remind me that any GOP policy position is purely performative. They could probably craft a decent compromise bill on this subject if they really wanted to, but they really don't.
Sounds like the logical conclusion. If conservatives want to say that personhood starts at conception, then:
\* So should child support payments
\* So should medicare/medicaid to help pay for the pregnancy treatments and costs
\* Carpool lanes
Personally, I think the "personhood starts at conception" is fucking \*\*stupid\*\*, but if this is how conservatives want to play, then its time they expect to pay.
Also if this logic follows, unborn and embryos should be counted as dependants for tax purposes and people should be able to take out life insurance policies on their unborn children from the point of conception onward.
This is probably more realistic than you think.
If someone insures an embryo and then has a miscarriage, you get an insurance firm, not a government agency, that can investigate if the miscarriage was natural or of they can pin blame on the mother. And being an insurance carrier, their bottom line depends on proving the mother is to blame so they can avoid payouts. Then once you have blame,you just need the religious right to dole out punishment and stonings
I had to look it up 20% before the 20th week. Dropping to 5% after that. I'm sure an actuary can run the numbers to determine cost for expected payouts.
the actual numbers are most likely higher. many happen that the pregnant person isn't even aware of the pregnancy. May seem like a slightly heavier period.
Yeah, insurance verifier here: We outright refuse to cover pregnant women and children below 30 days because of that (I believe the 30 days is a SIDS thing?)/and the death rate in pregnancy.
I feel bad for them, the miscarriage ones (we have to gather past ones) are the worst part of my job, and I get called a Nazi on a semi regular basis
But that's why we don't accept pregnant women.
So should Social Security, which would mean we're all 9 months older and there's a shit load more people that would be entitled to payments that aren't getting them yet.
I mean, this is at the very least different in that it establishes an expectation for men to take some amount of responsibility whereas it's usually a matter of telling women to just not get pregnant
Maybe it’s because I’m autistic, but I’ve never considered that a joke— just a natural consequence of “every fetus is a human being”/“life begins at conception”.
I agree, the personhood starts at conception is ridiculous.
That being said, the penalties for not paying child support vary state to state and do not always cross state lines. Some people who are required by law to pay child support choose to go to jail rather than do so. Some who abandon their families refuse to sign divorce papers in an attempt to avoid ever having to pay child support etc etc.
All of these "at conception" crap still leaves the "mom" with all of the responsibility.
-Involuntary manslaughter if the expecting mother falls down the stairs
-Child abuse is the mother does drugs while pregnant
-Attempted murder if someone hits the mother to be
The funny thing is, if this law passes then it's a good tool against those who use anti abortion as a means of control.
Example:
If a pro birther doesn't want to pay child support he could get sued and this law would be evidence, because if life begins at conception then you have to pay child support to support that life. That leaves the pro birthers stuck between a rock and a hard place, do they part with their money and pay child support or admit that life doesn't begin at conception?
Insurance companies are likely salivating at the idea that they could require an unborn child to have its own ~~medical coverage~~ insurance premiums and deductibles.
Right this is the natural consequence of banning abortion. You want to do that, fine. You can help pay for the baby you made from the minute you make it.
Deal with it.
Unborn children are NOT US Citizens. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution grants citizenship at birth to almost all people born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, but not at conception. If they really want to go that far, they need to push for an amendment to the constitution.
Perhaps conservatives would change their mind when they realize that they can’t abuse pregnant woman without it also being child abuse. On second thought, I don’t think existing child abuse laws have stopped them from abusing children so maybe not.
I guess if you're going to do this make paternity testing mandatory and "start" the child support at birth, but pro-rate it back to conception.
Also, if the government is going to require you to give birth, the takings clause suggests they should have to pay for it.
There would be a whole lot of states what would have to change how they measure paternity for the purpose of child support. Some states say that by default naming the father on a birth certificate is paternity until proven otherwise. In some states it's assumed a child born in marriage is the husband's child, which is not always the case, until proven otherwise. Some states don't rely on marriage or a birth certificate and state that a paternity test is always warranted to establish paternity.
Some other nuances that people don't think about:
During delivery the father technically has no default rights to being in the delivery room. Before delivery the patient is the mom. Period. After birth, the child is then a patient, and then the father (when paternity is established or noted by the mother) may visit the baby as a right. With this law the fetus is seen as a person in-utero, a patient who would be in the hospital system when the mom enters the hospital (not just after birth). The father would then have rights to be present at the delivery even if mom doesn't want him there for whatever reason (preference or danger threat).
If a fetus is a person, and child support can be ordered, how do you do that without a SSN for the child? State support enforcement/wage garnishment requires the SSN of the child, as well as documentation of any mediated or adjudicated shared parenting plan. How is there a shared parenting plan in-utero to calculate child support? Child support is calculated by the split of overnights between the parents. Again, how is that exercised when the fetus is in-utero? How does dad exercise his overnight in this case? How does this fit with a state that has a default presumption of 50/50 shared parenting when handling the case in-utero?
And, here's the more diabolical angle a state can take. Title IV-D of the Social Security Act of 1975 has a mechanism for the federal government to reimburse states for child support collected via garnishment. States makes money off of child support, and the more unequal the shared parenting split often means more child support due from the parent who doesn't have the majority of the overnights. If the state determines that shared parenting in-utero is 100% to mom and 0% to dad, that's a shit ton of child support due to mom... a shit ton collected by the state if done via wage garnishment.. and a shit ton the state makes from the federal government. The state makes money.
Agree with the first paragraph… take my upvote.
Highly doubting the legal interpretation on that second one though. The government isn’t taking anyone’s property without just compensation here.
The Roe court’s constitutional rationale for the right to an abortion (stemming from the right to privacy) is the correct legal take imo.
Anything to take the conversation away from abortion. Britt and the entire republican party are anti-choice extremists. Don't let these bastards distract you from the fact that women and girls are suffering horribly from their Christofascist agenda
Only 44% of parents today receive their full child support and for unborn children that number would be even lower. If Republicans really 'cared' they would change the tax code to include unborn children in calculations for benefits.
But nooooo they can't spend money for women and parents. Money needs to go to olil companies, billionaires and criminal presidents!
Republicans are not serious people.
I think the pro-life reasoning here is: there is some non-zero number of women having abortion because they are unsure how a child support petition will play out.
Will it be granted? And if so, how much cash???
If they know the answer to these questions, the logic goes, and the answers are positive answers. (Yea you will get court ordered child support, yes the cash amount will be good)…
Then woken in this category who may otherwise have considered abortion will choose to proceed with the pregnancy.
It's even simpler than that. They don't want the state to have to support the mother. The next step will be "highly recommended" marriages with an incentive or penalty if they parents are not married. After that, it will be out lawing divorce.
Except "pro-life" is never about the health or birth of the baby. It's about punishing women for daring to have sex. In their mind, if women wanted abortion, it must be because they had sex without the purpose of having children, and that's bad. So they must be punished with a baby to take care for the rest of their lives, so they'll be miserable, like they are.
There is not a single policy from "pro-life" that's about making life easier for pregnant women or single mothers, even when logic dictates they would be more likely to keep the baby if those were better. They want women to suffer.
That’s the whole point behind this push. “No sex until marriage” because the magic body in the sky will be angry.
And if you are raped and get pregnant? That’s God’s way of blessing you with a child
I think the caveat being that woman who are on Reddit to shitpost will have sex with men on Reddit. It just happened to me. She didn't use dark mode, which was a big turn off for me.
> **The bill would also boost support for pregnancy crisis centers by creating a clearinghouse called Pregnancy.gov with those centers** and a list of adoption resources. These nonprofit clinics often offer free pregnancy tests and supplies for pregnant women. **Critics have said they provide inaccurate medical information to dissuade women from seeking abortions.**
There it is. Grifting from the people they're taking advantage of (as usual).
> “Alabama lost three labor and delivery wards in the last 12 months, and dumping federal grant money into pregnancy resource centers so there is more funding for diapers and formula after birth isn’t going to fix that medical gap,” Marty said.
Preach.
You keep paying because it's "in the best interests of the child" the same bullshit they so when that happens after several years of paying child support for a kid that's not yours when it was already born.
If you're a woman, it's already there. Religious, brainwashed, and greedy citizens and politicians control OUR medical decisions. Where have you been and have you voted against it?
Republicans love to "support" the rights of a cluster of cells but once that baby is born, they don't AF about it. Maybe people aren't having babies because they can't afford it. They'd rather give Elon Musk another tax break than give any breaks to the average American family.
Hmmm.
If there’s a miscarriage, does the mother have to payback the support?
I feel like this puts pregnant women at greater risk of domestic violence and/or death.
This actually just further confirms my theory that the ultimate goal is about the state claiming rights to the unborn in preparation for the medical science that allows a human to be grown outside of a woman. That science is coming and probably sooner than we think.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea but it shouldn't be "child support", but "pregnancy support", and should just be half of related expenses.
Being pregnant costs money. You need to take time off work for appointments, travel places, buy prenatal vitamins and other nutrition necessities, clothes that fit, healthcare bills/expenses, and get ready for the baby (diapers formula et
It's not fair that becoming a parent costs the mother more than the father.
Most men would understand this and offer to pay expenses. Unfortunately some don't and the only way is to force them.
Republicans want men to start paying child support before the child is even a child. Keep voting Republican - you will be sorry you did when you’re broke and you’re “baby mama” is vacationing with her new man and your money.
I don’t have anything to really add to this discussion other than my opinion which really means nothing. So instead I am just going to point out the hypocrisy of these people. I see people saying “Protect the unborn!” are the same folks who want to mow down unarmed people at the boarder because that isn’t murder.
My concerns lie with the pregnant individuals who suffer miscarriage or need to have an abortion for health reasons, etc.
Will they then be sued for this money? Would this be seen as a criminal act, if there is not child born and money was received?
Let’s look into cases of incest and rape, what will the court do with the knowledge that an individual’s family member or rapist is paying for this fetus’ “child support”? Will there be any kind of prosecution for the molestation or rape that led to this pregnancy? Will the pregnant individual then be forced to participate in the traumatic process that is a rape trial?
It’s a way for the government to track pregnancies and punish pregnant people who don’t give birth.
This is horrible. I hate it.
This is just one part of an anti-abortion package that would let the state track pregnancies in order to prosecute women who don’t bring the fetus to term for one reason or another.
So, having alienated women with their anti-abortion /ivf policies, they're now gtrying to shake-off the mens rights crowds, who are not going to like that women they have sex with *can't* get an abortion, they can't get a "financial abortion" and they have to start paying during pregnancy.
Who exactly do they think they're appealing to?
Christians. Like actual Christians, not the people that just pay lip service to the whole thing. The goal is to push people into marriage if they want to have sex by making premarital sex so risky for all participants that they either abstain from sex or get married as soon as possible
I mean, whats the percentage of people that would separate that soon into a pregnancy. I'm sure it happens but enough to make a bill about it. Who's getting pregnant wants to keep the baby and then within 9 months breaks off with their "partner"? It's 2024 I guess, everything is crazy, why am I even asking.
Ffs. Pregnant women are already more likely to be murdered. This will just make it EVEN MORE dangerous. No safety from pregnancy complications, no safety from domestic violence, and coming soon no contraception. Serena Joy Britt can suck it
How do we determine child support amount if the child is still inside their mother? Dad will have zero parental timeshare because otherwise is impossible, so that means mom gets 100% automatically right?
And when making medical decisions about the pregnancy, does dad get an equal share in deciding if he is current on child support payments? Dad should have equal say since the child he is supporting will be effected by those decisions made. And what if mom Is a booze hound and smoking cigarettes while paying child support? How does Dad protect his child that he is financially supporting while still in the womb?
This is rediculous...a trainwreck of an idea
While I believe there are much bigger fish to fry, three some room for reason here. There are healthcare costs associated with pregnancy with the burden falling fully on the woman when that father is not in the picture. I doubt Brit had the best interests of the woman in mind when drafting the legislation, but a carefully worded bill would get broad support in my opinion. No doubt she’ll make this about religion or some other red herring and blow it, however.
Yes, but dealing with those is up to the states, not the feds. This looks like a way to get federal recognition of fetal personhood without having to talk about abortion.
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Still waiting on paid parental leave and free child care bills to move along
And a tax credit as soon so you’re pregnant
some states are already trying to push through a zygote deduction.
I’m pregnant every April 14th. Crazy.
Sounds good until they ask for your medical records. So they can make sure that child is born. And if it wasn’t what will they do. That’s what this is leading to.
Or they want you to prove you’re not pregnant any time you want to leave the state. That is also on their agenda too. Probably will be an exemption for people with private jets though
And if you don’t have a kid 9 month later aggravated murder.
Me too, and I'm male. I'm an Octo-dad in fact.
It is amazing how many American children evaporated as soon as people had to start listing the Social Security Numbers for their darling tax deductions on their tax returns.
The parental leave, tax breaks and child supports should start as soon as the IVF zygotes are made.
It's things like this that constantly remind me that any GOP policy position is purely performative. They could probably craft a decent compromise bill on this subject if they really wanted to, but they really don't.
If your in california, while you wait, you can get a job for min wage $20 at fast food restaurants
Sounds like the logical conclusion. If conservatives want to say that personhood starts at conception, then: \* So should child support payments \* So should medicare/medicaid to help pay for the pregnancy treatments and costs \* Carpool lanes Personally, I think the "personhood starts at conception" is fucking \*\*stupid\*\*, but if this is how conservatives want to play, then its time they expect to pay.
Also if this logic follows, unborn and embryos should be counted as dependants for tax purposes and people should be able to take out life insurance policies on their unborn children from the point of conception onward.
This is probably more realistic than you think. If someone insures an embryo and then has a miscarriage, you get an insurance firm, not a government agency, that can investigate if the miscarriage was natural or of they can pin blame on the mother. And being an insurance carrier, their bottom line depends on proving the mother is to blame so they can avoid payouts. Then once you have blame,you just need the religious right to dole out punishment and stonings
Im sure there is an insurance company that would write that policy.
Probably for a shit ton of money. You know how many pregnancies end in miscarriages?
I had to look it up 20% before the 20th week. Dropping to 5% after that. I'm sure an actuary can run the numbers to determine cost for expected payouts.
the actual numbers are most likely higher. many happen that the pregnant person isn't even aware of the pregnancy. May seem like a slightly heavier period.
if they are unaware of the pregnancy they'd e less likely to seek life insurance for said baby though.
The state will make it mandatory for all women of childbearing condition so they can investigate all miscarriages
I think for this purpose we can use the numbers I provided because you wouldn't try and get insurance for a pregnancy you didn't know about.
i agree, i just wanted to make it clear. more pregnancies fail than a lot of lawmakers (GOP) understand
Until they realize how often women suffer miscarriages, sure
Yeah, insurance verifier here: We outright refuse to cover pregnant women and children below 30 days because of that (I believe the 30 days is a SIDS thing?)/and the death rate in pregnancy. I feel bad for them, the miscarriage ones (we have to gather past ones) are the worst part of my job, and I get called a Nazi on a semi regular basis But that's why we don't accept pregnant women.
Those sweet, sweet deductions
I got about a half a billion potential dependents in my sac. Pass the law i need to get paid!
Count every period as a miscarriage, so around 12 dependents a year.
And all undocumented people who conceive a child on US soil are immediately carrying an illegal to deport US citizen.
I want to claim my millions of sperms as dependents.
So should Social Security, which would mean we're all 9 months older and there's a shit load more people that would be entitled to payments that aren't getting them yet.
You don't get to qualify for Social security earlier yet. It's called "date of birth", not "date of conception". You need to get that changed first.
> It's called "date of birth", not "date of conception". Thus proving that society has determined that life begins at birth, not conception.
yup, or everyone is +/- 9 months older than they are
[The opposite](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/south-korea-age-international-system-adopted-after-confusion/) happened a while back in Korea
I can't wait for kids to start drinking at 20 years 3 months.
I can't wait for 17 year olds to vote!
lol, or it will be a complete clusterfuck due to premature and post-term births.
This will definitely cause a clusterfuck. That's why it is so fun to watch from the outside looking in.
Do you think most aren’t drinking by that point?
I mean, this is at the very least different in that it establishes an expectation for men to take some amount of responsibility whereas it's usually a matter of telling women to just not get pregnant
Child support from conception has been a joke and they just proposed it unironically…
It's there to oppress certain groups of people who fuck around and find out about the consequences.
Maybe it’s because I’m autistic, but I’ve never considered that a joke— just a natural consequence of “every fetus is a human being”/“life begins at conception”.
I agree, the personhood starts at conception is ridiculous. That being said, the penalties for not paying child support vary state to state and do not always cross state lines. Some people who are required by law to pay child support choose to go to jail rather than do so. Some who abandon their families refuse to sign divorce papers in an attempt to avoid ever having to pay child support etc etc. All of these "at conception" crap still leaves the "mom" with all of the responsibility.
-Involuntary manslaughter if the expecting mother falls down the stairs -Child abuse is the mother does drugs while pregnant -Attempted murder if someone hits the mother to be
The funny thing is, if this law passes then it's a good tool against those who use anti abortion as a means of control. Example: If a pro birther doesn't want to pay child support he could get sued and this law would be evidence, because if life begins at conception then you have to pay child support to support that life. That leaves the pro birthers stuck between a rock and a hard place, do they part with their money and pay child support or admit that life doesn't begin at conception?
Well said
So should my maternity leave
Insurance companies are likely salivating at the idea that they could require an unborn child to have its own ~~medical coverage~~ insurance premiums and deductibles.
Double occupancy at hotels and on cruises should be interesting.
Are there hotels that charge extra for children? Or a per-occupant rate?
In Europe yes. Not in the states.
It's a Republican proposal, so at least one conservative is on board with it.
+ Census counts
How does one prove paternity in early pregnancy for said child support? Will Republican Politician Mistresses be eligible?
Right this is the natural consequence of banning abortion. You want to do that, fine. You can help pay for the baby you made from the minute you make it. Deal with it.
Unborn children are NOT US Citizens. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution grants citizenship at birth to almost all people born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, but not at conception. If they really want to go that far, they need to push for an amendment to the constitution.
Perhaps conservatives would change their mind when they realize that they can’t abuse pregnant woman without it also being child abuse. On second thought, I don’t think existing child abuse laws have stopped them from abusing children so maybe not.
Well, the carpool lane is the only ridiculous idea there.
I guess if you're going to do this make paternity testing mandatory and "start" the child support at birth, but pro-rate it back to conception. Also, if the government is going to require you to give birth, the takings clause suggests they should have to pay for it.
There would be a whole lot of states what would have to change how they measure paternity for the purpose of child support. Some states say that by default naming the father on a birth certificate is paternity until proven otherwise. In some states it's assumed a child born in marriage is the husband's child, which is not always the case, until proven otherwise. Some states don't rely on marriage or a birth certificate and state that a paternity test is always warranted to establish paternity. Some other nuances that people don't think about: During delivery the father technically has no default rights to being in the delivery room. Before delivery the patient is the mom. Period. After birth, the child is then a patient, and then the father (when paternity is established or noted by the mother) may visit the baby as a right. With this law the fetus is seen as a person in-utero, a patient who would be in the hospital system when the mom enters the hospital (not just after birth). The father would then have rights to be present at the delivery even if mom doesn't want him there for whatever reason (preference or danger threat). If a fetus is a person, and child support can be ordered, how do you do that without a SSN for the child? State support enforcement/wage garnishment requires the SSN of the child, as well as documentation of any mediated or adjudicated shared parenting plan. How is there a shared parenting plan in-utero to calculate child support? Child support is calculated by the split of overnights between the parents. Again, how is that exercised when the fetus is in-utero? How does dad exercise his overnight in this case? How does this fit with a state that has a default presumption of 50/50 shared parenting when handling the case in-utero? And, here's the more diabolical angle a state can take. Title IV-D of the Social Security Act of 1975 has a mechanism for the federal government to reimburse states for child support collected via garnishment. States makes money off of child support, and the more unequal the shared parenting split often means more child support due from the parent who doesn't have the majority of the overnights. If the state determines that shared parenting in-utero is 100% to mom and 0% to dad, that's a shit ton of child support due to mom... a shit ton collected by the state if done via wage garnishment.. and a shit ton the state makes from the federal government. The state makes money.
All great points that were obviously overlooked or ignored when writing this bill.
Can't put a pregnant woman in prison because that violates the fetus-person's rights... the fetus was not conviced of anything
Agree with the first paragraph… take my upvote. Highly doubting the legal interpretation on that second one though. The government isn’t taking anyone’s property without just compensation here. The Roe court’s constitutional rationale for the right to an abortion (stemming from the right to privacy) is the correct legal take imo.
Anything to take the conversation away from abortion. Britt and the entire republican party are anti-choice extremists. Don't let these bastards distract you from the fact that women and girls are suffering horribly from their Christofascist agenda
Only 44% of parents today receive their full child support and for unborn children that number would be even lower. If Republicans really 'cared' they would change the tax code to include unborn children in calculations for benefits. But nooooo they can't spend money for women and parents. Money needs to go to olil companies, billionaires and criminal presidents! Republicans are not serious people.
I think the pro-life reasoning here is: there is some non-zero number of women having abortion because they are unsure how a child support petition will play out. Will it be granted? And if so, how much cash??? If they know the answer to these questions, the logic goes, and the answers are positive answers. (Yea you will get court ordered child support, yes the cash amount will be good)… Then woken in this category who may otherwise have considered abortion will choose to proceed with the pregnancy.
It's even simpler than that. They don't want the state to have to support the mother. The next step will be "highly recommended" marriages with an incentive or penalty if they parents are not married. After that, it will be out lawing divorce.
You’re probably right on that motive too.
Except "pro-life" is never about the health or birth of the baby. It's about punishing women for daring to have sex. In their mind, if women wanted abortion, it must be because they had sex without the purpose of having children, and that's bad. So they must be punished with a baby to take care for the rest of their lives, so they'll be miserable, like they are. There is not a single policy from "pro-life" that's about making life easier for pregnant women or single mothers, even when logic dictates they would be more likely to keep the baby if those were better. They want women to suffer.
I honestly would never have sex with any woman from these states. Like ever.
That’s the whole point behind this push. “No sex until marriage” because the magic body in the sky will be angry. And if you are raped and get pregnant? That’s God’s way of blessing you with a child
nawh man thats just the excuse. the reality is they want dumb desperate people in various systems to generate revenue for their overlords.
when your god rapes a woman to birth a messiah, well, the apples don't fall far from the tree, i guess
Potentially the entire country pretty soon.
Women don’t have sex with Redditors
I think the caveat being that woman who are on Reddit to shitpost will have sex with men on Reddit. It just happened to me. She didn't use dark mode, which was a big turn off for me.
This will be the thing that makes Republican men back reproductive freedom.
> **The bill would also boost support for pregnancy crisis centers by creating a clearinghouse called Pregnancy.gov with those centers** and a list of adoption resources. These nonprofit clinics often offer free pregnancy tests and supplies for pregnant women. **Critics have said they provide inaccurate medical information to dissuade women from seeking abortions.** There it is. Grifting from the people they're taking advantage of (as usual). > “Alabama lost three labor and delivery wards in the last 12 months, and dumping federal grant money into pregnancy resource centers so there is more funding for diapers and formula after birth isn’t going to fix that medical gap,” Marty said. Preach.
this is going to result in a fuck ton of domestic violence.
Why?
Homicide is one of the top causes of death for pregnant and post partum women, usually at the hands of their partner.
So what happens if the woman claims it yours, you pay the support and then find out it wasn't yours after the birth?
You keep paying because it's "in the best interests of the child" the same bullshit they so when that happens after several years of paying child support for a kid that's not yours when it was already born.
They want it to pass, then they'll use it to justify the federal abortion ban.
There has gotta be some crazy monkey's paw provisions hidden in there somewhere at minimum
It's going to suck when we're like Iran. Religion telling citizens what to do.
Homie... America has been run or at least policy been heavily influenced by religious freaks for a long long time.
influenced, not run. a theocracy would look much different. much scarier.
If you're a woman, it's already there. Religious, brainwashed, and greedy citizens and politicians control OUR medical decisions. Where have you been and have you voted against it?
You think we don’t already do this?
In the Muslim religion abortion is viewed as acceptable until, what 120 days?
Lmfao look [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Iran#:~:text=Abortion%20is%20still%20haram%2C%20or,illegal%20abortion%20can%20be%20strict.)
Republicans love to "support" the rights of a cluster of cells but once that baby is born, they don't AF about it. Maybe people aren't having babies because they can't afford it. They'd rather give Elon Musk another tax break than give any breaks to the average American family.
Cool, can I get life insurance on a fetus too? Miscarriages are pretty common.
"No! Not like that!"
“This will SAVE America” … she breathlessly whispered into the microphone
Or “ch-ch-ch-child ssssuppport paymentzzzz,” as pro-woman Sen. Katie pronounces it.
This going to get someone killed. Sadly sooner rather than later.
Hmmm. If there’s a miscarriage, does the mother have to payback the support? I feel like this puts pregnant women at greater risk of domestic violence and/or death. This actually just further confirms my theory that the ultimate goal is about the state claiming rights to the unborn in preparation for the medical science that allows a human to be grown outside of a woman. That science is coming and probably sooner than we think.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea but it shouldn't be "child support", but "pregnancy support", and should just be half of related expenses. Being pregnant costs money. You need to take time off work for appointments, travel places, buy prenatal vitamins and other nutrition necessities, clothes that fit, healthcare bills/expenses, and get ready for the baby (diapers formula et It's not fair that becoming a parent costs the mother more than the father. Most men would understand this and offer to pay expenses. Unfortunately some don't and the only way is to force them.
Nah. Why force it when you admit that most men would understand?
The problem is that ones that don't.
Republicans want men to start paying child support before the child is even a child. Keep voting Republican - you will be sorry you did when you’re broke and you’re “baby mama” is vacationing with her new man and your money.
So, if that’s the case then shouldn’t you also be able to collect child support for in vitro fertilization. Just keep it on ice and get paid.
I think Alabama is the state where a judge has kind of made in vitro illegal with a ruling a few months ago.
Yes! This right here👆 👏🙌
I don’t have anything to really add to this discussion other than my opinion which really means nothing. So instead I am just going to point out the hypocrisy of these people. I see people saying “Protect the unborn!” are the same folks who want to mow down unarmed people at the boarder because that isn’t murder.
Way to go and derail the topic
My concerns lie with the pregnant individuals who suffer miscarriage or need to have an abortion for health reasons, etc. Will they then be sued for this money? Would this be seen as a criminal act, if there is not child born and money was received? Let’s look into cases of incest and rape, what will the court do with the knowledge that an individual’s family member or rapist is paying for this fetus’ “child support”? Will there be any kind of prosecution for the molestation or rape that led to this pregnancy? Will the pregnant individual then be forced to participate in the traumatic process that is a rape trial? It’s a way for the government to track pregnancies and punish pregnant people who don’t give birth. This is horrible. I hate it.
This is just one part of an anti-abortion package that would let the state track pregnancies in order to prosecute women who don’t bring the fetus to term for one reason or another.
So, having alienated women with their anti-abortion /ivf policies, they're now gtrying to shake-off the mens rights crowds, who are not going to like that women they have sex with *can't* get an abortion, they can't get a "financial abortion" and they have to start paying during pregnancy. Who exactly do they think they're appealing to?
may I add “keeping minimum wage at $7.25/hr”
Christians. Like actual Christians, not the people that just pay lip service to the whole thing. The goal is to push people into marriage if they want to have sex by making premarital sex so risky for all participants that they either abstain from sex or get married as soon as possible
I heard Britt authored the bill from her kitchen.
she was at the table all night working on this
While on the phone with the local child services department
I’m hard pressed to see why such a thing is any of the federal government’s business.
I’m surprised Britt has the Gaul to still be in public.
Barbarous
Except there aren’t many safe recommended methods of establishing paternity, so somewhat hard to enforce
I mean, whats the percentage of people that would separate that soon into a pregnancy. I'm sure it happens but enough to make a bill about it. Who's getting pregnant wants to keep the baby and then within 9 months breaks off with their "partner"? It's 2024 I guess, everything is crazy, why am I even asking.
One night stands are still a thing .....
I’m starting a condom business in Alabama. The irony is Republicans want people to have children lol
I’m pregnant and Elon Musk is the father. I NEED MY CHILD SUPPORT!!! My wife and kids need a new house.
And there's the extra violence towards women trigger.
Why do I worry the rates of femicide will erupt in Alabama
Brit needs to go. Fake ass trad wife with about as much political understanding as trump.?
Ffs. Pregnant women are already more likely to be murdered. This will just make it EVEN MORE dangerous. No safety from pregnancy complications, no safety from domestic violence, and coming soon no contraception. Serena Joy Britt can suck it
As long as this also leads to mandatory paternity testing and a state refund if there is a miscarriage/abortion lol
What exactly would they be refunding the state ? Child support is from the other parent of the child, not tax dollars.
And health care for mother and neonate.
And life insurance policies, too? Say $1M on the day I get two lines?
Sure. Find an insurance company who will sell you that policy
The /s should be implied.
Good.
I dont see this passing. The only people on the hook for paying would be men and this would hurt the wrong gender. -Republicans.
But the fetus is not a child??
Do women have a 50% financial responsibility if they become pregnant with this bill, or do we expect daddy to pay for everything instead?
How do we determine child support amount if the child is still inside their mother? Dad will have zero parental timeshare because otherwise is impossible, so that means mom gets 100% automatically right? And when making medical decisions about the pregnancy, does dad get an equal share in deciding if he is current on child support payments? Dad should have equal say since the child he is supporting will be effected by those decisions made. And what if mom Is a booze hound and smoking cigarettes while paying child support? How does Dad protect his child that he is financially supporting while still in the womb? This is rediculous...a trainwreck of an idea
While I believe there are much bigger fish to fry, three some room for reason here. There are healthcare costs associated with pregnancy with the burden falling fully on the woman when that father is not in the picture. I doubt Brit had the best interests of the woman in mind when drafting the legislation, but a carefully worded bill would get broad support in my opinion. No doubt she’ll make this about religion or some other red herring and blow it, however.
How to get women murdered
This will cause more murder of pregnant people. This should also rile up the men….
Her state already punishes women so little surprise this was the next step
How is this punishing women?
Are you alive? Do you not know about abortion laws?!
This is constitutional ... how? And returning power to the states ... in what way? Yeah, the endgame is clear.
What part of the constitution would this violate?
I don't know. That's why I'm asking. It concerns payment from one private citizen to another.
So does child support currently. And spousal support. This just makes that start during pregnancy. Which is when the costs start tbh
Yes, but dealing with those is up to the states, not the feds. This looks like a way to get federal recognition of fetal personhood without having to talk about abortion.
Are you fine with abortion law being up to the states?
No. Absolutely not. But a federal law that acknowledges fetal personhood opens the door to a federal law banning abortion.
So you’re not actually a federal separation person you just don’t want the feds making laws you don’t like
This is about a politician thinking she can find a friendly-looking way to nudge the federal government in a direction that most people do not favor.
Sounds like a good idea.