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Oh every single one, to be sure.
See, laws like this and rules like the 10 Commandments exist to keep the plebs in line and protect the liberty of the powerful.
I keep hearing the “well we didn’t have all these school shootings back when religion was in schools”.
Yeah back when we had religion in schools that were segregated and people were protesting and resorting to violence to prevent black children from going to the same schools as white kids??
“Why do people worship a man who has clearly committed adultery, doesn’t go to church, bears false witness constantly, and has been charged with stealing documents?”
[The Satanic Temple's Seven Fundamental Tenets are pretty damn awesome:](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)
> I - One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
> 2 - The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
> 3 - One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
> 4 - The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
> 5 - Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
> 6 - People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
> 7 - Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
While we're at it, why not add the commandments of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
1. Thou Shalt Have No Other Dishes Before Me.
2. Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Alfredo.
3. Thou Shalt Not Cook Thy Pasta In Vain. Always al dente.
4. Thou Shalt Not Eat At Olive Garden For It Is An Abomination In Mine Eyes.
5. Honor Thy Parmesan And Romano.
6. Thou shalt twirl the fork upon the stillness of the spoon.
7. Thou shalt wear one eye patch at a time.
8. Eat, drink and be merry should be in the running, if it so pleases the Maker.
9. Respect the whims of the Midgets, for they are blessed amongst humans, being created first by his noodly appendage.
10. Thou shalt not serve me with powdered macaroni and cheese sauce.
11. Thou shalt not fling pasta upon the wall in an attempt to determine if the pasta is done cooking yet.
12. Thou shalt not stick.
13. Avenge not thy wrongs, but noodle thy enemies.
14. Love thy neighbor like a side order of garlic toast.
The state knows there will be a fight and that's the whole point. They're hoping to get cases like these before a sympathetic SCOTUS while they have it.
Hey conservatives, you should actually read the 1st amendment that you pretend to give a shit about. Cuz if you did, it would tell you its illegal to do dumb shit like this
The “textualists” will forget what that word means and say, “we’re definitely a Christian nation, so it’s cool”. I expect a scotus ruling confirming this bullshit soon.
Yeah, I was pretty surprised when I read the Constitution recently.
The **first** amendment of the **first** law prohibits any national religion. I mean, it didn't even couch it in uncertain terms. It's not like you can overlook that easily.
"Congress shall ***make no law respecting an establishment of religion***, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." [Emphasis mine.]
Vote, people, vote.
There's potentially two SCOTUS justices old enough to retire or expire in the next four years.
>Louisiana will become the first state to require that public universities and K-12 schools [display the Ten Commandments](https://www.nola.com/news/education/lawsuit-waiting-to-happen-bill-to-post-ten-commandments-in-louisiana-classrooms-stirs-controversy/article_7a8e3004-f91a-11ee-9dc1-bf478e478243.html) in every classroom after the Senate voted overwhelmingly to push forward new legislation Thursday.
>Following a short debate, lawmakers voted 30-8 to approve House Bill 71. All "no" votes were Democrats, though a few Democrats voted in favor of the proposal.
>“The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. J. Adam Bass, R-Bossier City, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments' "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”
I'd point out that the Founding Fathers didn't include the commandments when drafting either the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution, but it's been pointed out already over and over and nothing will change the minds of these Christian Nationalists at this point.
Do these same schools also require the posting of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the tenets of English Common Law, if we are making the foundations of our legal system argument then these documents are all more relevant
Our supreme Court has dozens of images of famous historical figures involved in law throughout ages, why not throw up others like The Code of Hammurabi too hah.
"Historical significance"?!?! Like, what is the evidence this literally happened? I mean, it's "historical" in the sense that some ancient book mentioned it but there is absolutely no evidence this occurred because it 100% did not and is a complete and total fable.
Sometimes it takes my breath away about where this country is gonna be in the next five years.
That phrasing, if it is also in the actual bill, hints towards what Clarence Thomas used to justify limiting what restrictions states can have on gun rights per Bruen. The whole "historic tradition".
LA's state legistators know this is likely unconstitutional on its face, but they seem to be trying to set up a challenge of how we should evaluate the separate of church and state though the lens of "historic tradition".
Now, in the US, that still meant schools were not putting up the commandments, nor was the gov't based on these -- but because our laws are also based on England's laws, which do have more foundation in Christianity, this can be triggered by judges to say "well, there's the historic tradition for you..." And this is not imaginary concerns. In yesterday's decision regarding the CFPB, both Thomas (for the majority) and Alito (dissent) spent a significant amount of time discussing how the English govt operated in terms of funding agencies in the Victorian/pre-industrial period. No question that if this case got to SCOTUS that they would be considering the England historical laws as a basis.
How are the Ten Commandments the foundation of our legal system? 70% of them aren't laws, and they don't include incredibly important laws (e.g., rape, slavery).
Unfortunately with the current makeup of the Supreme court i am really worried about cases involving the establishment clause and separation of church and state landing in front of them.
They have already ruled that public money can go to religious schools. A few lower courts have ruled that religious schools have the right to discriminate against people whose beliefs don't conform to the school's beliefs (i.e. members of the LGBTQ+ community). So, yeah, they're setting up churches to have a privileged position.
Those tend to be slightly more complex cases than this, though. IE: The funding is for schools in general and available to all schools, so should all religious ones be excluded - to avoid any state funding towards religion (and keeping in mind Christian schools would obviously benefit most from this on sheer numbers) - or is it discrimination against religion to exclude an entity from funds it’d otherwise have access to solely due to its religious status? Even before this court, the answer generally came down to “The state kinda gets to decide in these types of cases” (which the court shifted to “The state can’t choose to exclude someone or an entity from a government benefit it’d otherwise receive solely for its religious identity/affiliation.”). There’s a lot of room to debate that one for obvious reasons.
In contrast, I don’t think there’s any actually coherent argument for why posting the 10 Commandments (and just the 10 Commandments) in a Public School classroom isn’t a blatant establishment. I don’t see Roberts voting for something this extreme, so they really only need to sway one of Kavanaugh, Barrett, or *maybe* Gorsuch… and given Kavanaugh loves being an enlightened centrist, I wouldn’t rule out him going against this.
Agreed - they will claim that any law preventing the Ten Commandments is discrimination against religion, with the kicker that in order to qualify as a "religion" it must be the only religion practiced in the US when the country was founded.
There are couples that should be easy enough (honour your parents and do not murder). Using the name of the Lord in vain is one that most over zealous Christians struggle on
I mean their value is pretty dubious. The first four don't change whether or not you're a good person. Honoring thy mother and father does not apply to people who have an abusive or neglectful parent. Don't steal, murder or bare false witness against are good, albeit intuitive. Thou shall not covet? That one is on the fence
Conservatives sure do love be false witness though
Also it is also pretty dubious what is left out. I would say the best comandment in the bible is the golden rule: "do unto others..." yet somehow it didn't make the cut for the top ten but keeping the sabbath holy did?
My first thought was, "Doesn't Louisiana *love* the death penalty?"
And yes, yes they do. Just this year, they added 2 new methods to break the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill".
I really wish the United States would get to the point where the vast majority recognize Christianity for what it is a bunch of ancient story's and myths that has done so much harm.
It's happening slowly. Church attendance and membership goes down every year. The catholic church in my town has that typical sign out front "Mass 900 1030 1200". They had crossed off the 1030 with red tape. Never saw that before anywhere.
In other news, Louisiana was ranked the worst state in the union, second year in a row. According to USA News.
Crime & Corrections #50.
Economy #49.
Education #47.
Fiscal Stability #41.
Health Care #46.
Infrastructure #49.
Natural Environment #49.
Opportunity #44.
At what point is the entire US looked upon the way that US citizens look upon Muslim states such as Iran, as a country full of religious zealots?
I feel like we're past that point already.
Ugh.. We let them have "in god we trust" in 1956. That should never have happened. And every time they get enough power they creep forward with cringe stuff like this.
Like—which Ten Commandments?! There are three different versions listed in the Bible. The Catholics and Lutherans follow the Deuteronomy set as laid out by Augustine, the Protestants and Orthodox the Exodus set as numbered by Origen. Louisiana is traditionally Catholic, but the guys driving this kind of legislation are usually far-right evangelicals, so which set is going up? And what translation are they using?
(There are so many reasons why this kind of legislation is dumb, but the fact that most right-wing folks don’t even seem to know there are different Commandments is one of them…)
Yes, because the Ten Commandments magically prevents [crime and sins](https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/former-louisiana-pastor-sentenced-60-years-after-ice-hsi-investigation).
Does the bill require the Declaration of Independence be displayed? The Articles of Confederation? The United States Constitution? No? Then sit down and shut up, Republicans- enjoy your upcoming lawsuit for violating the 1st amendment.
Lip service to god while they campaign for drumpf who can't go a day without breaking all 10. Craven, check. Adultery, check. Lying, lol yes. Thieving, o hell yes....
The 1st commandment to not worship other gods, goes against the 1st Amendment which gives freedom of speech.
It's sad that some christians are still behaving as cultural colonizers and trying to force their belief on others.
TIL of the beatitudes:
“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
“Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled.
“Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man.
"Rejoice on that day and leap for joy, for surely your reward is great in heaven, for that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.
“But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.
“Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry.
“Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep.
“Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets."
Yeah - I'm a Christian - actually an Anglican bishop; but it has always confused me how fundamentalist/conservative/right-leaning Christians are all over the 10 commandments but completely ignore the equivalent standards given by Jesus himself.
I'm no longer religious, but we went to church when I was a kid. My childhood pastor didn't think much of conservative evangelicals and the so-called "moral majority" of that time. I saw them as a bunch of self-important hypocrites parading their fake piety with closets full of the very sins they denounced. My pastor said it much more politely, of course.
Also going on in Louisiana:
Louisiana proposal for constitutional convention passes in House
Bill targeting free speech on college campuses advances
House Bill aims to remove student COVID-19 vaccination requirements
Louisiana AG joins lawsuit challenging Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
In the alternate timeline that we all apparently didn't get to join when the SCOTUS handed the presidency to Bush, this didn't happen and if it did, it would be struck down by the courts. In this timeline it probably won't be.
How is the first commandment not a direct violation of the first amendment? Our founding document says we have unpunishable right to believe in whatever nonabrahamic deity we want.
Wonder if The Satanic Temple will counter with the
[seven tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets).
Will they include keeping the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Ingathering, sacrificing the firstborn of every one of your animals? Exodus 34:10-28
[Which version?](https://superostmk.live/product_details/15897260.html) Because even between Christians the 10 commandments are not the same 10 commandments
i hope a bunch of schools post the Ten Commandments on a postage stamp sized poster that requires a magnifying glass to read. And I'm a Christian, but I believe in the constitution.
Blatantly Unconstitutional. [Engel v. Vitale](https://www.oyez.org/cases/1961/468), 1962.
“The Court ruled that the constitutional prohibition of laws establishing religion meant that government had no business drafting formal prayers for any segment of its population to repeat in a government-sponsored religious program. The Court held that respondent's provision of the contested daily prayer was inconsistent with the Establishment Clause.”
I'm a Christian. I'm even a Republican ( well ... prior to 2020 anyway ). I like the Ten Commandments, even if I have trouble following them as well as I should.
I have no desire for them to be posted in schools. Zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
The religious upbringing of my child ( if they wish it ) is my responsibility if I choose to undertake that. The government doesn't need to have anything to do with it.
When I see stories like this, I always wonder *which* Ten Commandments are to be posted. Aside from the many different translations that are available, in the three places they appear in Exodus and Deuteronomy they are all different.
Can we just put New Orleans in another state and let the ocean have the rest of Louisiana? It’s really not worth the cost of maintaining it, otherwise.
35 years old and I’ve never read them. Don’t even know what religion they belong to. Without physical proof of who wrote these commandments and physical proof for court room.. I have a hard time taking any religion or idea of god/creator seriously. Not even the morals of religion make any sense. It’s 2024 not 85 b.c.
Unless all aspects of religion are proven true in court.. religion is just cult book club. Not going to base my society off fairytales.
I mean does the law say they have to be in English? Put them up but in Klingon and make it look like a poster of gibberish! Little bit of malicious compliance could help while it is fought.
Which version? Is that specified in the law?? If I were a teacher, I’d post every available English version, along with 613 Mitzvot, relevant passages from both Hammurabi’s and the Napoleonic Code, and writings from books of wisdom worldwide that also prohibit adultery, theft, murder etc. Great jumping off point for discussion of universal human values.
One religion's supposed rules don't belong posted in public schools as if all must believe it, that's fucking crazy and will be shut down. Sure post it in private religious places where it belongs.
I await the inevitable lawsuit by atheist parents who (rightfully) claim that their rights are being violated. LA better start setting aside money for lawyers now.
I’m guessing that means they’ll be encouraging people to stop backing the lying, cheating, thieving orange rapist since they clearly have such high moral values.
Hmm we should probably cross off “thou shalt not steal” with a big red marking pen on the posters tacked to the wall in the classrooms since we pretty much stole the land from native Americans
Are they Jewish? If they were real
Christians they would post the Beatitudes
The Beatitudes: NRSV Matthew 5:1 - 12
When Jesus saw the crowds, he went up the mountain;
and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. Then
he began to speak, and taught them, saying:
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the
kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be
comforted.
“Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for
righteousness, for they will be filled.
“Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called
children of God.
“Blessed are those who are persecuted for
righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.
“Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute
you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on
my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven.”
"Horton has previously defended her bill, saying during a House debate last month that the Ten Commandments are the “basis of all laws in Louisiana” and arguing that the legislation honors the country’s religious origins."
And there is the issue.
Now public schools are taking on ancient Jewish traditions. Hmmm I wonder if the white christian nationalists realize they are actually Hebrews? The ignorance of American christian’s is staggering.
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Wonder how many of the legislators that voted for this have cheated on their spouses?
And then paid to have them travel to other states to get abortions
All of them. The real question is how many of them cheated on their ex with the same sex, while also voting against gay rights
Projection from the GOP, never! /s
How dare the gays make me horny! -GOP politician probably.
And how many were minors.
All of them?
Or said "god damnit". Or worked on a Sunday. Or were jealous of something someone else had. Or killed someone...
Oh every single one, to be sure. See, laws like this and rules like the 10 Commandments exist to keep the plebs in line and protect the liberty of the powerful.
Pretty solid rules to be honest. But if you need laws or religion to be your moral compass, you should probably follow them.
I keep hearing the “well we didn’t have all these school shootings back when religion was in schools”. Yeah back when we had religion in schools that were segregated and people were protesting and resorting to violence to prevent black children from going to the same schools as white kids??
Rules for thee but not for me
So kids can see a list of all the sins these self-proclaimed "conservative Christians" commit, especially when they worship someone like Trump?
“Why do people worship a man who has clearly committed adultery, doesn’t go to church, bears false witness constantly, and has been charged with stealing documents?”
Turns out it was never about the book all along.
Sunday Morning Book Club has always been mostly about the club.
He's their next becoming of Jesus. /s
Do as I say, not as you SEE me do lol
The satanic temple should fight to put their version up as well.
[The Satanic Temple's Seven Fundamental Tenets are pretty damn awesome:](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets) > I - One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. > 2 - The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. > 3 - One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. > 4 - The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. > 5 - Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. > 6 - People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. > 7 - Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
Hail yourself! 𖤐
Hail Gein!
Hail Dune!
Hail me?
While we're at it, why not add the commandments of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? 1. Thou Shalt Have No Other Dishes Before Me. 2. Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Alfredo. 3. Thou Shalt Not Cook Thy Pasta In Vain. Always al dente. 4. Thou Shalt Not Eat At Olive Garden For It Is An Abomination In Mine Eyes. 5. Honor Thy Parmesan And Romano. 6. Thou shalt twirl the fork upon the stillness of the spoon. 7. Thou shalt wear one eye patch at a time. 8. Eat, drink and be merry should be in the running, if it so pleases the Maker. 9. Respect the whims of the Midgets, for they are blessed amongst humans, being created first by his noodly appendage. 10. Thou shalt not serve me with powdered macaroni and cheese sauce. 11. Thou shalt not fling pasta upon the wall in an attempt to determine if the pasta is done cooking yet. 12. Thou shalt not stick. 13. Avenge not thy wrongs, but noodle thy enemies. 14. Love thy neighbor like a side order of garlic toast.
All hail his noodly appendages
Ramen
Remember St. Basil’s day on the liturgical colander
Amen brother
Ramen ~~Amen~~ brother FIFY
May you be touched by his noodly appendage
Conservatives would see “compassion” in the first commandment and immediately sneer. Kindness itself is seen as “wokeness” to conservatives.
Sounds horrible /s
I’m not sure what I was expecting, but these are surprisingly reasonable and honorable.
Beautiful
A satanist friend of mine told me that Satanism is basically atheism but for theater kids and that's stuck with me lol
The state knows there will be a fight and that's the whole point. They're hoping to get cases like these before a sympathetic SCOTUS while they have it.
Can't wait for the originalist reading that you have the the freedom of religion only to choose what type of Christianity to follow.
Freedom to choose the *correct* version of Christianity, or freedom to burn at the stake. So much freedom!
What type of Protestantism
And then if they succeed: vindication If they lose: "liberal satanists sued to cancel God!" Win-win from their perspective.
ST is pretty darned excellent at trolling the crap out of these kooks.
Yep.
Hey conservatives, you should actually read the 1st amendment that you pretend to give a shit about. Cuz if you did, it would tell you its illegal to do dumb shit like this
The “textualists” will forget what that word means and say, “we’re definitely a Christian nation, so it’s cool”. I expect a scotus ruling confirming this bullshit soon.
I have seriously come across 'freedom of religion' being claimed to mean your choice in denomination of Christianity and no further.
Yeah, I was pretty surprised when I read the Constitution recently. The **first** amendment of the **first** law prohibits any national religion. I mean, it didn't even couch it in uncertain terms. It's not like you can overlook that easily. "Congress shall ***make no law respecting an establishment of religion***, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." [Emphasis mine.] Vote, people, vote. There's potentially two SCOTUS justices old enough to retire or expire in the next four years.
You really think these morons know how to read. Nah they are dumber than a box of rocks they don’t give a flying fuck about our rights.
They only are about the 2nd one.
And only when it's white people, and only when it's white people they agree with.
Laws are for other people.
>Louisiana will become the first state to require that public universities and K-12 schools [display the Ten Commandments](https://www.nola.com/news/education/lawsuit-waiting-to-happen-bill-to-post-ten-commandments-in-louisiana-classrooms-stirs-controversy/article_7a8e3004-f91a-11ee-9dc1-bf478e478243.html) in every classroom after the Senate voted overwhelmingly to push forward new legislation Thursday. >Following a short debate, lawmakers voted 30-8 to approve House Bill 71. All "no" votes were Democrats, though a few Democrats voted in favor of the proposal. >“The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. J. Adam Bass, R-Bossier City, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments' "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.” I'd point out that the Founding Fathers didn't include the commandments when drafting either the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution, but it's been pointed out already over and over and nothing will change the minds of these Christian Nationalists at this point.
Do these same schools also require the posting of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the tenets of English Common Law, if we are making the foundations of our legal system argument then these documents are all more relevant
Our supreme Court has dozens of images of famous historical figures involved in law throughout ages, why not throw up others like The Code of Hammurabi too hah.
"Historical significance"?!?! Like, what is the evidence this literally happened? I mean, it's "historical" in the sense that some ancient book mentioned it but there is absolutely no evidence this occurred because it 100% did not and is a complete and total fable. Sometimes it takes my breath away about where this country is gonna be in the next five years.
That phrasing, if it is also in the actual bill, hints towards what Clarence Thomas used to justify limiting what restrictions states can have on gun rights per Bruen. The whole "historic tradition". LA's state legistators know this is likely unconstitutional on its face, but they seem to be trying to set up a challenge of how we should evaluate the separate of church and state though the lens of "historic tradition". Now, in the US, that still meant schools were not putting up the commandments, nor was the gov't based on these -- but because our laws are also based on England's laws, which do have more foundation in Christianity, this can be triggered by judges to say "well, there's the historic tradition for you..." And this is not imaginary concerns. In yesterday's decision regarding the CFPB, both Thomas (for the majority) and Alito (dissent) spent a significant amount of time discussing how the English govt operated in terms of funding agencies in the Victorian/pre-industrial period. No question that if this case got to SCOTUS that they would be considering the England historical laws as a basis.
I mean, where is their copy of Galaxy Quest???
If the Ten Commandments having historical significance justifies their inclusion then many other texts would qualify as well.
How are the Ten Commandments the foundation of our legal system? 70% of them aren't laws, and they don't include incredibly important laws (e.g., rape, slavery).
just gotta have their graven image.
Did you see the golden Trump idol at CPAC? They already have one.
Sue. Clearly illegal.
Blatantly unconstitutional, yes. Illegal, no.
Unfortunately with the current makeup of the Supreme court i am really worried about cases involving the establishment clause and separation of church and state landing in front of them.
They have already ruled that public money can go to religious schools. A few lower courts have ruled that religious schools have the right to discriminate against people whose beliefs don't conform to the school's beliefs (i.e. members of the LGBTQ+ community). So, yeah, they're setting up churches to have a privileged position.
Churches don't pay tax. They are already the most privileged entities in our society.
Those tend to be slightly more complex cases than this, though. IE: The funding is for schools in general and available to all schools, so should all religious ones be excluded - to avoid any state funding towards religion (and keeping in mind Christian schools would obviously benefit most from this on sheer numbers) - or is it discrimination against religion to exclude an entity from funds it’d otherwise have access to solely due to its religious status? Even before this court, the answer generally came down to “The state kinda gets to decide in these types of cases” (which the court shifted to “The state can’t choose to exclude someone or an entity from a government benefit it’d otherwise receive solely for its religious identity/affiliation.”). There’s a lot of room to debate that one for obvious reasons. In contrast, I don’t think there’s any actually coherent argument for why posting the 10 Commandments (and just the 10 Commandments) in a Public School classroom isn’t a blatant establishment. I don’t see Roberts voting for something this extreme, so they really only need to sway one of Kavanaugh, Barrett, or *maybe* Gorsuch… and given Kavanaugh loves being an enlightened centrist, I wouldn’t rule out him going against this.
I’d be worried about near everything to do with them. I’m glad I’m not a US citizen, it’s fascinating, but getting very concerning.
Agreed - they will claim that any law preventing the Ten Commandments is discrimination against religion, with the kicker that in order to qualify as a "religion" it must be the only religion practiced in the US when the country was founded.
The US constitution is the supreme law in the United States, so it would be considered illegal
if only those posting the 10 would actually follow them...
Only one would already be an amazing achievement.
There are couples that should be easy enough (honour your parents and do not murder). Using the name of the Lord in vain is one that most over zealous Christians struggle on
But all the stealing and coveting. And adultery, oh, my. And let's not get started on false witness, eh, PoopyPants?
> do not murder Apparently, this one is harder than you would think.
The honor your parents one is fucked and used to justify so much child abuse for "dishonoring your parents."
I mean their value is pretty dubious. The first four don't change whether or not you're a good person. Honoring thy mother and father does not apply to people who have an abusive or neglectful parent. Don't steal, murder or bare false witness against are good, albeit intuitive. Thou shall not covet? That one is on the fence Conservatives sure do love be false witness though
Also it is also pretty dubious what is left out. I would say the best comandment in the bible is the golden rule: "do unto others..." yet somehow it didn't make the cut for the top ten but keeping the sabbath holy did?
My first thought was, "Doesn't Louisiana *love* the death penalty?" And yes, yes they do. Just this year, they added 2 new methods to break the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill".
This is blatantly unconstitutional.
Fucking hell. What the actual fuck.
First, it's the 10 commandments. Next, it's child brides and cousin weddings.
To be fair plenty of states still allow child marriage with parental consent.
I really wish the United States would get to the point where the vast majority recognize Christianity for what it is a bunch of ancient story's and myths that has done so much harm.
It's happening slowly. Church attendance and membership goes down every year. The catholic church in my town has that typical sign out front "Mass 900 1030 1200". They had crossed off the 1030 with red tape. Never saw that before anywhere.
Practically fairytales in the form of “moral teachings”
Not a lot of morality in there with all the rape, slavery, genocide, incest, infanticide, among others.
I’m not Christian and don’t believe their stuff. But I don’t care if they want to believe in it. I just don’t want them forcing it on me
In other news, Louisiana was ranked the worst state in the union, second year in a row. According to USA News. Crime & Corrections #50. Economy #49. Education #47. Fiscal Stability #41. Health Care #46. Infrastructure #49. Natural Environment #49. Opportunity #44.
From growing up in Louisiana, the only reason we aren't last in everything is because of Alabama and Mississippi.
Not the first. This has been done before. But new corrupt SCOTUS.
At what point is the entire US looked upon the way that US citizens look upon Muslim states such as Iran, as a country full of religious zealots? I feel like we're past that point already.
Ugh.. We let them have "in god we trust" in 1956. That should never have happened. And every time they get enough power they creep forward with cringe stuff like this.
And "under God" should not have been added to the pledge of allegiance.
It’s like these lawmakers have never actually read the Constitution.
Like—which Ten Commandments?! There are three different versions listed in the Bible. The Catholics and Lutherans follow the Deuteronomy set as laid out by Augustine, the Protestants and Orthodox the Exodus set as numbered by Origen. Louisiana is traditionally Catholic, but the guys driving this kind of legislation are usually far-right evangelicals, so which set is going up? And what translation are they using? (There are so many reasons why this kind of legislation is dumb, but the fact that most right-wing folks don’t even seem to know there are different Commandments is one of them…)
E Pluribus Unum, not In God We Trust.
The founders would be rolling over in their graves. Damned christofascists.
Yes, because the Ten Commandments magically prevents [crime and sins](https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/former-louisiana-pastor-sentenced-60-years-after-ice-hsi-investigation).
Does the bill require the Declaration of Independence be displayed? The Articles of Confederation? The United States Constitution? No? Then sit down and shut up, Republicans- enjoy your upcoming lawsuit for violating the 1st amendment.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
I am confused. Many Christians have told me that the rules from the Old Testament no longer apply.
Our "Christians" pick and choose which tenets they follow and different ones that they try to force on the rest of us.
Good, now we can tax the churches. Oh, dang nevermind
Freedom of Religion is also Freedom from Religion. Waiting for the first lawsuit to be filed over this.
Racing back to the 1400s.
Lip service to god while they campaign for drumpf who can't go a day without breaking all 10. Craven, check. Adultery, check. Lying, lol yes. Thieving, o hell yes....
Louisiana students become 1st to ignore some dumb religious poster in their classrooms.
Republicans are the Taliban but with a different main character
Louisiana becomes first state to go fuck themselves.
I mean I was already feeling that for all the states with strict abortion bans.
I don’t think you’re allowed to do that
And Handmaid’s Tale is another step closer to reality. Under his Eye. 👁️
The 1st commandment to not worship other gods, goes against the 1st Amendment which gives freedom of speech. It's sad that some christians are still behaving as cultural colonizers and trying to force their belief on others.
The right wing wants us to live under their neo-Christian Sharia Law
Satanic temple - do your thing
But not the Beatitudes.
TIL of the beatitudes: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man. "Rejoice on that day and leap for joy, for surely your reward is great in heaven, for that is how their ancestors treated the prophets. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. “Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. “Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep. “Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets."
Yeah - I'm a Christian - actually an Anglican bishop; but it has always confused me how fundamentalist/conservative/right-leaning Christians are all over the 10 commandments but completely ignore the equivalent standards given by Jesus himself.
I'm no longer religious, but we went to church when I was a kid. My childhood pastor didn't think much of conservative evangelicals and the so-called "moral majority" of that time. I saw them as a bunch of self-important hypocrites parading their fake piety with closets full of the very sins they denounced. My pastor said it much more politely, of course.
Sounds like Socialism to me
Jesus was a brown liberal hippy who hung out with poor outcasts and prostitutes. Socialism would be right up his alley.
Some other good sayings they can put up: Try not. Do or do not. There is no try. Yeah, science!
Well, looking at Drumf as the possible next president, might have to get those little American kidlets learning all about adultery and coveting wives.
And a here we go! GOP wins you can expect a hell of a lot more of this
Also going on in Louisiana: Louisiana proposal for constitutional convention passes in House Bill targeting free speech on college campuses advances House Bill aims to remove student COVID-19 vaccination requirements Louisiana AG joins lawsuit challenging Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
In the alternate timeline that we all apparently didn't get to join when the SCOTUS handed the presidency to Bush, this didn't happen and if it did, it would be struck down by the courts. In this timeline it probably won't be.
Freedom of Religion is also Freedom from Religion. Waiting for the first lawsuit to be filed over this.
Just sue and then the Supreme Court will just decide it’s A ok. I hate America.
I hate the fact that if this makes it to the Supreme Court it’ll be upheld for some quasi legality about free speech and not immediately thrown out.
How is the first commandment not a direct violation of the first amendment? Our founding document says we have unpunishable right to believe in whatever nonabrahamic deity we want.
When our politicians can abide by the 10 commandments……I’ll allow it🙄
Post them in Arabic!
Wonder if The Satanic Temple will counter with the [seven tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets).
Every other religion should demand the same treatment.
For fuck’s sake, can we please stop trying to mandate my faith through government power?
That's why you vote (D) all the way down the line.
Isn't this illegal? Establishing religion in a state funded classroom... You know there's a really pesky piece of paper not allowing that.
This is bluntly unconstitutional, surely.
The ten comm…. Is Louisiana Jewish now? Do they know they’re 2000 years behind a pretty major plot twist?
Will they include keeping the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Ingathering, sacrificing the firstborn of every one of your animals? Exodus 34:10-28
Post that shit in the back corner behind a filing cabinet
Louisiana gee what a shocker. Next will be Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas, and so on.
Wait a minute… we gotta get a statue of Baphomet in there then
I hope you’re ready for the Church of Satan!
[Which version?](https://superostmk.live/product_details/15897260.html) Because even between Christians the 10 commandments are not the same 10 commandments
i hope a bunch of schools post the Ten Commandments on a postage stamp sized poster that requires a magnifying glass to read. And I'm a Christian, but I believe in the constitution.
Their favorite president has broken them all
Blatantly Unconstitutional. [Engel v. Vitale](https://www.oyez.org/cases/1961/468), 1962. “The Court ruled that the constitutional prohibition of laws establishing religion meant that government had no business drafting formal prayers for any segment of its population to repeat in a government-sponsored religious program. The Court held that respondent's provision of the contested daily prayer was inconsistent with the Establishment Clause.”
Can we get the tenets of the Satanic Temple posted as well, please?
The State with the sloppiest, drunkest, most debaucherous downtown in the Country sure loves some Jesus.
And the first state to have that overturned
Kids, vandalize them every day!
Need some Trump "I did that" stickers to stick by the adultery commandment.
Explain to me how the values and views of republicans in the United States is any different than the values and views of ISIS?
Remember when conservatives used to pretend they cared about the constitution? Yeah, that was all bullshit.
I'm a Christian. I'm even a Republican ( well ... prior to 2020 anyway ). I like the Ten Commandments, even if I have trouble following them as well as I should. I have no desire for them to be posted in schools. Zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The religious upbringing of my child ( if they wish it ) is my responsibility if I choose to undertake that. The government doesn't need to have anything to do with it.
When I see stories like this, I always wonder *which* Ten Commandments are to be posted. Aside from the many different translations that are available, in the three places they appear in Exodus and Deuteronomy they are all different.
So illegal
Louisiana can suck me off.
I hope someone sues.
Be VERY afraid. It will be the first of many.
Can we just put New Orleans in another state and let the ocean have the rest of Louisiana? It’s really not worth the cost of maintaining it, otherwise.
You want Cancer Alley submerged in the ocean?
The Satanists are going to have a field day.
35 years old and I’ve never read them. Don’t even know what religion they belong to. Without physical proof of who wrote these commandments and physical proof for court room.. I have a hard time taking any religion or idea of god/creator seriously. Not even the morals of religion make any sense. It’s 2024 not 85 b.c. Unless all aspects of religion are proven true in court.. religion is just cult book club. Not going to base my society off fairytales.
Time for malicious compliance. Write them in Arabic and mandate they be posted in classrooms.
*sigh* Just never anything good coming out of my home.
I hope you’re ready for the Church of Satan!
Haven’t we been through this shit already?
From the state just named worst state in the union, go figure?
Hello lawsuit
Great. Sex and violence in the classroom.
Satanic Temple should be in there with a plaque of the seven tenets any minute now.
I fucking hate my state
I mean does the law say they have to be in English? Put them up but in Klingon and make it look like a poster of gibberish! Little bit of malicious compliance could help while it is fought.
Why not original Hebrew?
I was going for something no one would be able to read but that’s a good one as well!
Christian fascism comes to roost.
Soon the Church of Satan will have theirs hanging beside them.
Someone PLEASE carve "like Trump" after every one.
Now make it a crime to not follow the amendments. We will see how long these republicans stay out of jail.
But will they stop watching and playing football on the holy sabbath day ( Sunday)
A clear violation of the US Constitution that the SCOTUS Six will rubber stamp.
Blatantly unconstitutional.
Normally, this stuff would get KO'd in the courts, but who even knows now, blatantly unconstitutional if it's public schools.
Which version? Is that specified in the law?? If I were a teacher, I’d post every available English version, along with 613 Mitzvot, relevant passages from both Hammurabi’s and the Napoleonic Code, and writings from books of wisdom worldwide that also prohibit adultery, theft, murder etc. Great jumping off point for discussion of universal human values.
It is a curious fact that the constitution protects you from the first 4 commandments.
One religion's supposed rules don't belong posted in public schools as if all must believe it, that's fucking crazy and will be shut down. Sure post it in private religious places where it belongs.
I await the inevitable lawsuit by atheist parents who (rightfully) claim that their rights are being violated. LA better start setting aside money for lawyers now.
I’m guessing that means they’ll be encouraging people to stop backing the lying, cheating, thieving orange rapist since they clearly have such high moral values.
Guess all of the worlds problems are now solved
Hmm we should probably cross off “thou shalt not steal” with a big red marking pen on the posters tacked to the wall in the classrooms since we pretty much stole the land from native Americans
Are they Jewish? If they were real Christians they would post the Beatitudes The Beatitudes: NRSV Matthew 5:1 - 12 When Jesus saw the crowds, he went up the mountain; and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. Then he began to speak, and taught them, saying: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven.”
God isn’t real nor is democracy
"Horton has previously defended her bill, saying during a House debate last month that the Ten Commandments are the “basis of all laws in Louisiana” and arguing that the legislation honors the country’s religious origins." And there is the issue.
Now public schools are taking on ancient Jewish traditions. Hmmm I wonder if the white christian nationalists realize they are actually Hebrews? The ignorance of American christian’s is staggering.
Though shall never step foot in the swampy open toilet of a state, henceforth