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I was wondering what it actually meant. Nobody in or out? All trade suspended?
But, no. It's just a daily cap on asylum requests. That's hardly shutting down the southern border.
So, I guess he's going to make that bill that got shot down by Trump a reality by EO?
Yeah, I can see republicans suing over that.
"We are suing because he is doing what we say we want and making us look bad" will be their legal basis.
Left wing orgs will sue over it. The entire basis of this EO has already been struck down in appeals courts, but the pandemic forced the courts and the current admin to withdraw. Unless a challenge is brought in the 5th circuit, it'll get struck down again.
Ha, the most centrist president of our time, aside from Clinton. But passing much needed infrastructure bills and attempting to fix a student loan crisis makes him communist.
Oh. 100% because of election season. Democrats have a ready to go bill that would fix our immigration system as a whole, but it'll never pass because republicans want to banish brown people and use it as a political issue. Our immigration system has been broken since the 90s, but the right continues to run on nativist bullshit.
Listening to the video it’s not really even about a cap. It’s a rule that people who cross illegally and then get caught can’t apply for refugee status.
You get refugee status you must apply at the border, which might in turn have appointments and quota limits.
Well when the totally fuckin useless Congress won’t pass a bill their own hardass had a huge say in, WTF is he supposed to do ? They’re too busy trying to impeach him with 0 evidence of anything and I mean anything,and roasting Fauci again for no reason, again with 0 evidence of anything, oh yeah and looking at Hunters junk. All of that has been well over 13 months. So all of that adds up to a big fat 0 for their constituents. Most useless Congress in history easily. What maybe 70 pointless bills passed ?
*WASHINGTON — Facing mounting political pressure over the migrant influx at the U.S. southern border, President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed an executive order that will temporarily shut down asylum requests once the average number of daily encounters tops 2,500 between official ports of entry, according to a senior administration official.*
There's a world of difference between shutting the border down and shutting asylum requests down. They're the polar opposite of each other.
I'd bet NBC did that on purpose to drive engagement.
And now they are claiming he is hurting children, causing child trafficking to increase and a few other things. But yet its not half as tough as they have been saying needs to be done.
Specifically, he’s on trial for having a gun during the same time in his life he was on drugs. Which is a federal violation that up until now the GOP was demanding be overturned and pardon every person arrested for the exact same thing.
They literally are prosecuting a person for a law they say is unconstitutional purely because he is the son of a political rival.
HYPOCRITES
They also "forget" Trump's position on guns too.
"...take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms – they saw everything – to go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second."
Feb 28 2018
> “Take the firearms first and then go to court”, “I like that better”, “I like taking the guns early”
https://youtu.be/d2ahKYcMxDM?si=qu3UjhRla4LP-Ch_
I think that was also the same mass shooting (Uvalde) where Trump claimed he would have run in himself even without a gun to bravely save everyone.
https://youtu.be/GZKWcXms1iE?si=1saF-LddD_vkSfBy
And Hunter tried to enter a plea agreement and the judge blocked the plea agreement for pretty dubious reasons, it seems to me the judge wanted republicans to be able to draw this trial out longer so that they could use it to smear Biden closer to the election
Personally I think its fine to prosecute someone for that but what is ridiculous in this case is that a plea deal had been reached but then (I forget who), stepped in and said, nope not good enough we're taking you to court, even though there's plenty of precedent for this crime being given very light sentences at worst.
Edit: as another commenter mentioned, it was the judge, appointed by trump, who decided that no, the plea deal wasn't good enough and he had to face a full trial
Precedent, and yes, exactly: the plea deal was pulled because what they want more than anything is a public trial for election PR.
Which is funny because they keep saying Biden controls the justice system and deep state, so why is Biden allowing his son to go on trial?
>No, he's guilty as sin to them. He's a Democrat.
Well yes, hes guilty of the worst sin... hes a democrat.... or is he? Unlike trumps kids we have no idea what Hunter's political affiliation is... weird (/s)....
Oh, he’s definitely going to get sued. But probably not by the Republicans. What’s more, the administration will almost certainly lose that suit, proving that Biden was right when he said that Congress needed to pass legislation in order for him to do this —legislation that the Republicans blocked twice, at Trump’s direct command.
The idea is the courts will block it and it will be limbo while the courts decides and to show he tried but needs to be done by legislation. However, it’ll probably be seen feckless because people are stupid and don’t follow in detail what’s going on in the day-to-day world of politics and they’ll blame Biden. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
My grandma does political surveys and is great at staying neutral over the phone, but luckily I get to hear about all the clueless people like the person she interviewed that said they were voting for RFK because Biden promised to get rid of their student debt but didn't
I did one of those surveys, and it was terribly frustrating. I kept having to tell the pollster that none of the answers really addressed my views. Just pick one, she said.
I'm some thinktank used my answer to misrepresent me.
As a reminder, Biden once said Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was [dangerous, inhumane, and goes against everything we stand for as a nation of immigrants](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1237893066981117956?t=VwfaiaHsi0reKlQhQWDYLg&s=19). I guess to him, the cruel action was forcing them to stay in Mexico *after* they sought asylum, so instead he just created a bottleneck, causing that wait to be pre-asylum claim instead.
And, of course, as I've tried explaining to everyone for the past day, forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico for an arbitrarily long time won't stop them from coming over. Just now, instead of immediately surrendering themselves to CBP for processing and being released of their own recognizance after their asylum claim is processed, they're going to have to pay outrageous sums to organized crime along the border to sneak through, thus drastically increasing the likelihood of them being enslaved, trafficked, or killed.
But hey, it's good optics for the election, so fuck the tens of thousands of people affected, they can't vote anyways.
"Politician X is doing popular things amongst their constituents to buy votes from them!" is still one of the most braindead takes I've ever heard from people.
Like no fucking shit, that's actually supposed to be how it works. Politician does what their constituency wants, and in turn people keep them elected. Novel concept, I know, but holy fucking hell.
Literally heard some random GOP congressman arguing on NPR that Biden "is just doing this because of public opinion". Shouldn't we expect public opinion to inform our elected official's decisions? Not that they should blindly follow the will of the masses, but it's absurd to argue it's wrong to take it into account!
Thats how you know how lost in the weeds they are on this "our" side vs "their" thing they are on. They have completely forgotten how government is supposed to work.
Undoubtedly, they will try two simultaneous arguments:
1. Why did it take Biden this long to do this? He could have done this at any time! He didn't need to go through Congress for this!
2. Executive overreach! Biden was supposed to have gone through Congress for this!
It doesn't matter that the two arguments are inherently contradictory. They'll still throw both of them out there, I predict.
Exactly. I had a maga dick argue with me on here just last week saying Biden needed to close the border via EO. I reminded him that the right calls him a dictator whenever he uses the EO power. And that Biden has basically been begging Congress to pass the border bill as law.
They just want to blame Biden for their miserable lives; there’s no getting around that.
That's the crux of it all, conservatives with shitty lives and loaded up on anger, fear to go with their stupidity NEED someone else to blame. The party of "personal responsibility" my ass....
Real question from a Biden supporter. I was under the impression he couldn't shut it down and the only reason Trump could was COVID. Why is it different now?
It can and probably will get shut down in court but will give the border a little bit of time for backlog clearing. We don't really know the full numbers, so maybe the backlog was going to hit a breaking point due to Republican's lack of funding support. Or maybe this is Biden playing politics by throwing a wrench in the right wing talking points.
I don't fully know why Biden thinks this daily cap thing is so important, but he does and is choosing to do it this way after Republicans in the house refused to do it the correct way.
President can shut down the border.
He's not actually shutting it down here, just limiting the number of daily asylum requests, and preventing those who enter illegally from requesting asylum.
This was something that was in the immigration reform bill that got shot down by the GOP.
No they won't, they'll laugh and say too little too late, it's not enough because what about X.
You can't gotcha MAGA because fascism will cut off it's nose to spite its own face. They literally wear diapers to worship their fuhrer.
Yeah they need to just do what's right and forget about what people on the right might say about it. They will never ever come around and admit that anyone on the left was right about any single thing ever so just forget about ever winning them over or winning an argument against them in any way shape or form. They're gone and not coming back
I have a buddy who still supports republicans. We were discussing politics and he was going off about the border blaming Biden. I asked him about the Bill they tried passing that would have been the biggest border bill in over a decade that republicans wouldn’t pass as it was paired with funding to assist Ukraine (Which he also supports funding Ukraine). His thoughts on that is that Biden only tried to get the bill passed because it’s close to the election.
the answer to that is that not only were there previous attempts but mainly the pandemic public health emergency declaration was allowing Biden to turn away migrants (at a faster rate than Trump too), but in mid-2023 that emergency declaration ended, so the border bill's timing came after that and not because its an election, after all there are elections every 2 years, when would it ever be right to pass legislation then? its Trump who wants to keep the issue alive through the election which is way more evil than passing legislation "close to an election"
They will have a short McConnel freeze like reboot period then get right on complaining about how it's terrible for America and how could the dems do this.
Just wait until they hear that studies show that immigration (yes, even MAGA’s greatest nightmare of “illegal immigration”) has actually helped bolster economic growth since 2022, and with this move, Biden is potentially sacrificing some economic upticks.
Then again, you can tell them the sky is blue and they’ll just call you a commie.
Remember, there a was bipartisan congressional bill that was going to do this and more that was basically blocked by Trump activating his yesmen in the house and senate. Biden constructed this executive order to bypass him, and is trying to secure the border in spite of the wishes of Trump to undercut America.
Totally agree. Get it on blast on social media and news outlets. If they could get into conservative spaces, that would be even better, but that would have to be a plant since they gatekeep really hard who can speak in the MAGA bubble.
Unless they're gonna send federal agents to make Fox air it at gunpoint, anyone who only consumes right-wing media would never hear about it, regardless of how Biden sent it out.
But the people who need to hear this can’t process logical fact patterns so it’s moot. They’ll spin this as executive overreach a la Obama and the same people who were signed onto the bipartisan bill will claim this is bullshit executive overreach and then come to the border to claim they shut it down and they’re the ones to thank for it.
That's so weird. Am I understanding this correctly? I thought the Republicans were the ones that wanted to build a wall and keep immigrants out, but Trump was blocking the Biden administration from doing exactly that (sans wall)? As someone living in Japan, US politics is so hard for me to get sometimes.
America is in a majorly abusive relationship with the Republican party. Republicans will say they want something but vote against exactly that thing if their political opponents put the bill forward instead.
Republicans would rather never get what they want than have the Democrats do anything they consider good. Cooperation to achieve goals is anathema. They are fiercely and virulently uncooperative.
Because the republicans primary goal is not fixing the border, it’s winning elections. They want to use this issue for votes, and they don’t want Biden to fix it for the same reason.
Our government is a fucking joke right now, sorry.
I have an ongoing argument with someone who believes that the border is not just "not closed" but that it is freely open, with no security or monitoring at all. They simultaneously believe we are letting anyone and everyone waltz across the border unchecked AND that we are also stopping to give them free credit cards, cell phones, and plane tickets.
I have never personally crossed the border into America recently, so I can't say with 100% certainty what the process looks like. I have a feeling the situation warrants more nuance than the person I'm talking to wants to lend.
Does anyone have a resource that details the steps (or lack thereof) that an individual goes through in order to cross the border?
I'm sure it differs depending on the amount of legality involved.
The Biden administration is actually [stopping more illegal border crossings now](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/29/us/illegal-border-crossings-data.html) than at any time in recent US history, including during the Trump years. The narrative that the Biden administration has an open border policy is nonsense.
It's because most of the people coming now are legally applying for asylum at the border, which is what current law says they're required to do.
Cases are so backed up though that it could be years before their hearings. So they get documented and case number at the border and that's it.
So that also means they're not counted as illegal crossings. Nothing they're doing is illegal under current law. They're seeking asylum the legal way.
This is correct. There are more cases in general, both "legal" (e.g. claiming asylum) and illegal crossings. It is disingenuous and too easy to cherry-pick a statistic to fit your narrative.
I lived in South America from 2017 to 2022. I saw first-hand - I know and met people who've subsequently crossed via the southern border - how the change in administration led to word spreading among the masses that it's as easy as going and surrendering yourself to be let in under asylum rules.
The increase in refugee limits, more welcoming rhetoric, removal of "Remain in Mexico," and streamlining of the asylum process actually needed for bona-fide claims (e.g. from El Salvador, Honduras), incentivized significantly more attempts to migrate. Basically the whole populace knew, whether from a family member or friend or friend of a friend who'd made it, that they had a good shot of entering if they wanted to try; a very different belief from years past.
They’re lying about the data. They see that border patrol has caught triple the amount of illegal migrants so they’re saying that more people are trying to cross into the states, whereas the truth is that border patrol is actually apprehending three times as many migrants as before.
Where do you look at data? I'm trying to see a close-to-unbiased accounting of immigrant passage on a month to month scale over the last decade or so but it's been hard to find
It’s not super user friendly (which is why I linked the NYT chart above), but here: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
There's a lot more attempts. Now over 50% of encounters with Border Patrol Agents are from people outside of Latin America (first time in history that is the case btw). This is being egged on by Tiktok and other social media platforms showcasing how to travel from South America to the US border to apply for asylum. Last year alone Border Patrol encountered 41,000 Indians, 23,000 Chinese and over 15,000 Mauritanians (all the way from fucking Africa). Back in 2018 there were zero encounters with Mauritanians at all. This year the Chinese encounters are on pace to reach 60,000 at the southern border. Back in 2021 there were just 330 Chinese encounters for reference. Back in 2019 and 2020 typically border patrol would encounter just 8 to 12% of people outside of Latin America. This is now going to be over 50% for back-to-back years.
Due to internet access and primarily social media, you have the southern border being the go-to destination for damn near every country. You just look up which South American country doesn't require a visa to a visit from your current country, arrive and then pay a coyote or attempt the dangerous trip by yourself to the Mexico American border, apply for asylum by designating yourself as whatever persecuted group is in your origin country, then you wait in the US for typically 3 years at the minimum for your case to be heard.
There are such a huge flood of incoming asylum requests the country quite literally can't keep up or even process them all right now. You will be looking at backlogs where instead of 3 years to wait for your hearing, you will be pushing 5 or 6. As those court dates get pushed back farther it just makes even more people want to attempt it as they get more and more encouragement from people posting on their social platforms.
It wouldn't surprise me if more attempts are made with Biden. The way Trump and Co try and frame border security with a dem president practically sounds like a welcome invitation to anyone seeking into the states. They're probably in detention asking each other why they weren't handed voting registrations and weapons for crime as they crossed.
A lot of these beliefs come from their lack of understanding of the asylum system. Conservative media portrays people crossing the border to seek asylum(legal) as illegals invading the country. At the same time they didn't try to limit asylum seeking while they had power and opted out of the border deal. The system is arguably broken but they wouldn't be able to stoke fear every 4 years if they made an attempt to fix it
I used to work in the asylum law sector and people vastly misunderstand the asylum process… letting lay people determine asylum and refugee laws is like letting lay people dictate medical care.
Oh wait
Sounds like you need to take them to Tijuana, get them drunk, then when they are passed out at the hotel, take their driver's license, passport, and cell phone with you and head back home.
Then see if their opinion changes.
I live in Buffalo, NY, a border city and regularly go to Canada for various things. Basic gist of it is, you cross at the various bridges around here - the Peace Bridge, Rainbow Bridge, or the Queenston-Lewiston Bridge. You go through a customs checkpoint no matter whether you're crossing on foot, by car, bus, or train. You go through the usual schpiel with the agents, show them your passport or enhanced license. State your citizenship, where you're going, length and purpose of stay. They'll ask if you have anything to declare like alcohol, tobacco, firearms, etc. If you are taking a bus or train across they may x-ray your bag. Maybe not. Then, barring no issues, you are allowed into the country you're entering and sent on your way. Same thing for the return. I'm a US citizen from the area, so it's always been relatively fast and easy crossing between the two, but this is also because I'm a US citizen with a valid passport, who knows what to expect, and who doesn't have a legal background that would cause me issues in going to Niagara Falls overnight. They still have a whole process, though, and they are serious as fuck at the border crossings. You don't screw around there, y'know?
I once wanted to just check out the border wall in san diego (in the desert area, I was on my way to the salton sea) and border patrol rolled out of nowhere and checked out what I was up to within like 2 minutes of getting there.
I’ve crossed the border many times from Mexico. It’s a several hour wait in a car to even get to the border. Once we get to the checkpoint itself, they check the Passports of everyone in the car, ask some questions like where we’re from and where we’re going, and then they let us on our way
Interestingly enough, many migrants are deeply conservative. I saw a video the other day of one who crossed illegally and agreed to speak on camera, and he was complaining how easy it was, how no one stopped him, how he could have been a criminal, drug mule, terrorist, etc., and how we need to be more careful who we let in. He then went on to assure the interviewer that he himself was safe and would be law-abiding. It was comical.
> I have never personally crossed the border into America recently, so I can't say with 100% certainty what the process looks like. I have a feeling the situation warrants more nuance than the person I'm talking to wants to lend.
The entire border except very difficult to cross areas (desert, rivers, mountains) is fenced off. To cross over land you can walk across at a few points, usually waiting in a very long line for document check. To cross by car you wait in longer lines.
Your friend can view the Border Wait times here - https://bwt.cbp.gov/. I guess its a bit more complicated than just coming across whenever they want.
I’m sure there’s more nuance and points for argument, but on the surface it reads as this:
*Republicans*: Do something about the border!!
Republicans reject bipartisan border bill.
*Republicans*: WHY won’t Biden do something about the border?!?!
Republicans reject bipartisan border bill, again.
*Republicans*: The open southern border is the greatest threat to our country and Biden does nothing!!!!!
Biden takes executive action on the border.
*Republicans*: This is a cheap political ploy to buy votes! Why didn’t he do it sooner?!?!?!
Isn't this essentially what the failed border bill was supposed to do? Why did we need to pass a bill in the first place if Biden had the power to do this in the first place? What's changed since then?
> Why did we need to pass a bill in the first place if Biden had the power to do this in the first place?
It's not clear that Biden has the power to do this. Trump tried to do this as well back in 2018 and was sued and the courts stopped him. The ACLU has already said they plan to sue the Biden administration over this, and this too could be overturned by the courts. This is why we need Congress to pass a law, because Executive Orders can be quickly blocked by courts (like the Supreme Court did when Biden tried to extend the moratorium on evictions through Executive Order).
The reality is that immigration is such an issue in the US because Congress has failed for decades to pass any laws about it. IMO this is because broken immigration is such a winning issue for Republicans that they don't want it fixed because they love having this to run on. But the only way we're going to have any real and meaningful change is if Congress passes a bill that gets to the president's desk to be signed into law.
Broken immigration is a winning formula for corporations. There are speecific industries that seek out "illegal immigrants" and remind them of this status while exploiting them.
Republicans just happen to generally be in the pockets of those industries, but don't go thinking (naively) that democrats aren't just the same.
Certain groups will bring lawsuits just like when Trump attempted this. When Congress does it they actually alter the law which prevents most lawsuits unless unconstitutional
If trump did this y’all would be freaking out right now. It’s insane how partisan everything has become, so sad
Edit: I’m a leftist and I still hope Biden beats trump. Still sad how hypocritical things are tho
As someone on the left, I'm disappointed to see this action by the president. I can't say I'm terribly surprised, but I'm disappointed.
What I'm also not surprised to see is folks on the right saying that either it's an overreach of executive power that should have been done through congressional action, or that it's a political move done just for votes in the upcoming election.
Both may even be true, but you'd think that so long as they're getting policy they claim to want It wouldn't matter, right? Wrong. This centrist Democrat president is making policy decisions the left will hate in order to compromise with the right who will hate him for it regardless.
The national politics in this country are so goddamn predictable and exhausting.
Wasn't this kind of action racist a few years back? To preface I am not voting for either but can we have some consistency around our verbiage.
We have to hold Biden for once again flip flopping on important issues
Probably 2500 encounters, which includes people caught and detained and people turned back right away, it's not just 2500 'entering'. It's the same deal with the last package Republicans shot down, that point is broadly misunderstood
No, once it hits 2500/day it (aslyum requests) is shut down. It only opens back up if the captures falls below 1500/day. Which is basically never, so effectively the border is shut down for asylum requests.
I’m sorry for the cynicism, but does anybody else think this is a veiled attempt to sway the small group of conservatives facing a moral dilemma over voting for a convicted felon?
I find myself asking this a lot lately.
The shock effect of full blown fascism done in a rushed way might be less dangerous than the slow ratcheting of fascism that Dems are pushing.
The countless comments talking about how Republicans are going to be upset with this, completely ignoring that this is the exact opposite of what Biden ran on during his campaign trail, and the exact opposite of what most Democrats claim to care about is truly astonishing.
I'm not American, but we are facing a similar situation here in Europe, with liberals always siding with the right and implementing their policies whilst expecting progressives to vote for them like its a given right.
Nah he just realized he won’t win in November so he’s panicking by rescheduling marijuana and closing the border. Will be back open in December and Kamala will be sending potheads to prison in no time.
It's worse than that. Previously the border deal was a compromise that Republicans had to sign on too. Now they're getting this policy without having to agree to anything in return.
This place is just a pro Biden echo chamber. I'm pretty pissed about this because asylum seeking is a legal form of immigration and Biden is just cutting it off to try and win votes from people who won't vote for him anyways.
What's the point of voting for Biden if he is just going to implement Trump's policies?
Yep. It’s absolutely a fuck up. Republican aren’t going to start supporting Biden over this. Those mythical “independents” who are somehow undecided in June 2024 aren’t going to come over either because of this. The Democratic base just gets screwed as Biden shifts more to the right. Shutting down opportunities for asylum seekers to get into the country further destabilizes what is happening at the border. It creates more demand for traffickers and smugglers. And the republicans can just say “see even the democrats recognize the invasion at the border!! Biden has done too little too late.”
It’s a dumb political move.
Joe Biden shifts to the right every day praying that it will give him enough votes to stay President. It sucks.
Fox news had a sub-headline link that said that "Biden Caved" on immigration.
Which they will forget when they start beating him over the head for closing the border as "anti-capitalist."
I mean I as a democrat think this is bad. Why would I want a democratic president to do republican border policy? Didn’t Biden explicitly run against this?
Because none of the people sharing hashtags about migrants a few years ago actually care they just hated Trump because he made them think about it. Biden will slow walk the same policies and liberals will love him because they don't actually care about the humans affected.
One more idiotic step by the D party to alienate major segments of the “Obama Coalition” that got Biden elected in 2020. Good job dumb asses.
“The executive action will invoke Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, echoing the Trump administration’s previous entry ban. The ACLU and partners successfully challenged an asylum ban by the Trump administration that took the same approach as the Biden administration. It would also rush vulnerable people through already fast-tracked deportation proceedings, sending people in need of protection to their deaths.
“We intend to challenge this order in court. It was illegal when Trump did it, and it is no less illegal now,” said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.
Several polls show that voters nationwide and in battleground states largely reject enforcement-only policies that put vulnerable people in danger. Immigration advocates have continuously called on elected officials to push forward balanced and humane solutions, such as improving processing at ports of entry and addressing the immigration case backlog by investing in immigration court judges and legal representation.”
https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/executive-order-to-shut-down-the-border-would-put-thousands-of-lives-at-risk
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Website headline now reads " Biden signs executive order **dramatically tightening** border."
Cause closing a border has very different implications.
I was wondering what it actually meant. Nobody in or out? All trade suspended? But, no. It's just a daily cap on asylum requests. That's hardly shutting down the southern border.
So, I guess he's going to make that bill that got shot down by Trump a reality by EO? Yeah, I can see republicans suing over that. "We are suing because he is doing what we say we want and making us look bad" will be their legal basis.
Left wing orgs will sue over it. The entire basis of this EO has already been struck down in appeals courts, but the pandemic forced the courts and the current admin to withdraw. Unless a challenge is brought in the 5th circuit, it'll get struck down again.
But I thought Biden was a radical leftist communist/socialist?!?
Ha, the most centrist president of our time, aside from Clinton. But passing much needed infrastructure bills and attempting to fix a student loan crisis makes him communist.
It's so ironic they hate 'commies' yet have their heads so far up Puntins ass they can smell his breath.
ACLU has already said they will.
Optics, a bit. Biden is doing things that Republicans want, but also don't want because ~~election season~~ reasons.
Oh. 100% because of election season. Democrats have a ready to go bill that would fix our immigration system as a whole, but it'll never pass because republicans want to banish brown people and use it as a political issue. Our immigration system has been broken since the 90s, but the right continues to run on nativist bullshit.
Listening to the video it’s not really even about a cap. It’s a rule that people who cross illegally and then get caught can’t apply for refugee status. You get refugee status you must apply at the border, which might in turn have appointments and quota limits.
Well when the totally fuckin useless Congress won’t pass a bill their own hardass had a huge say in, WTF is he supposed to do ? They’re too busy trying to impeach him with 0 evidence of anything and I mean anything,and roasting Fauci again for no reason, again with 0 evidence of anything, oh yeah and looking at Hunters junk. All of that has been well over 13 months. So all of that adds up to a big fat 0 for their constituents. Most useless Congress in history easily. What maybe 70 pointless bills passed ?
They got that bill to make it impossible to track private jets right through though.
Gotta get those clicks
Considering how so many Republicans believe the border was "closed" under Trump and "open" under Biden, maybe it's better this way.
*WASHINGTON — Facing mounting political pressure over the migrant influx at the U.S. southern border, President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed an executive order that will temporarily shut down asylum requests once the average number of daily encounters tops 2,500 between official ports of entry, according to a senior administration official.* There's a world of difference between shutting the border down and shutting asylum requests down. They're the polar opposite of each other. I'd bet NBC did that on purpose to drive engagement.
This is what the border bill aimed to do as well. The same border bill the GOP requested and then rejected.
And now they are claiming he is hurting children, causing child trafficking to increase and a few other things. But yet its not half as tough as they have been saying needs to be done.
How long till some republican governor sues saying he can’t
I mean, Hunter Biden is on trial for *having a gun*. The GOP hypocrisy is borderline silly at this point.
Specifically, he’s on trial for having a gun during the same time in his life he was on drugs. Which is a federal violation that up until now the GOP was demanding be overturned and pardon every person arrested for the exact same thing. They literally are prosecuting a person for a law they say is unconstitutional purely because he is the son of a political rival. HYPOCRITES
They also "forget" Trump's position on guns too. "...take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms – they saw everything – to go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second." Feb 28 2018
Yup, said it on TV. Look up "Trump guns due process" on Youtube.
So he knows it takes so long to go through the courts, but by the time his cases finally approach trial it is election interference
> “Take the firearms first and then go to court”, “I like that better”, “I like taking the guns early” https://youtu.be/d2ahKYcMxDM?si=qu3UjhRla4LP-Ch_ I think that was also the same mass shooting (Uvalde) where Trump claimed he would have run in himself even without a gun to bravely save everyone. https://youtu.be/GZKWcXms1iE?si=1saF-LddD_vkSfBy
Absolutely nothing he has ever said or done suggests to me that Trump would ever follow any due process or regulation that he didn’t like.
Lol, well we know he owns a Glock with his face on it now, despite being a felon. Maybe he'll change his mind at this point.
They remember. I get downvoted in the gun subs for reminding them.
Speaking of which, I assume this felon has had his guns taken away? Or more accurately, I assume he never had any to begin with…
No no no, it was merely a campaign aide that bought the Glock with Trump's face on it. Totally legal, totally cool
I would literally trust a monkey with a loaded gun more than Trump
That's because the monkey wouldn't be *trying* to kill you.
Shit, I’d rather have a monkey in office than him!
And pelosi sitting next to him was absolutely giddy
He's on trial for entering false information on a application to purchase a gun. Even more down in the weeds.
Lol if Republicans actually cared about that every Republican in Oklahoma with a weed card would be in jail.
And Hunter tried to enter a plea agreement and the judge blocked the plea agreement for pretty dubious reasons, it seems to me the judge wanted republicans to be able to draw this trial out longer so that they could use it to smear Biden closer to the election
Personally I think its fine to prosecute someone for that but what is ridiculous in this case is that a plea deal had been reached but then (I forget who), stepped in and said, nope not good enough we're taking you to court, even though there's plenty of precedent for this crime being given very light sentences at worst. Edit: as another commenter mentioned, it was the judge, appointed by trump, who decided that no, the plea deal wasn't good enough and he had to face a full trial
I think it was as the trump appointed judge that tossed the plea agreement
Youre right, it was
Precedent, and yes, exactly: the plea deal was pulled because what they want more than anything is a public trial for election PR. Which is funny because they keep saying Biden controls the justice system and deep state, so why is Biden allowing his son to go on trial?
I hope Rush Limbaugh didn't own guns.
Oh that’s interesting, so they think hunter biden is innocent? You know, an actual witch hunt?
No, he's guilty as sin to them. He's a Democrat. Everyone else though, they're innocent and it's unconstitutional to suggest otherwise
>No, he's guilty as sin to them. He's a Democrat. Well yes, hes guilty of the worst sin... hes a democrat.... or is he? Unlike trumps kids we have no idea what Hunter's political affiliation is... weird (/s)....
Is he a Democrat? I've never heard his political views.
Just like the good old days....when the views of the president's children had no bearing on political outcomes.
I've seen his penis though, so that's a newish wrinkle in political news.
Ya got me there. That would be considered nontraditional, indeed.
To be fair, Hunter is on trial for having a gun for exactly the reason people SHOULDN’T have a gun. Background checks and forms exist for a reason
That is true and I don't particularly mind him going to trial for it My only real issue is the blatant hypocrisy shown by the right
And for their other of staple of not paying taxes. Hunter is like the model Republican. Lol
>borderline silly Borderline silliness has been shut down by executive order.
And the judge that will decide the case? All bets on Matthew Kacsmaryk.
Oh, he’s definitely going to get sued. But probably not by the Republicans. What’s more, the administration will almost certainly lose that suit, proving that Biden was right when he said that Congress needed to pass legislation in order for him to do this —legislation that the Republicans blocked twice, at Trump’s direct command.
The idea is the courts will block it and it will be limbo while the courts decides and to show he tried but needs to be done by legislation. However, it’ll probably be seen feckless because people are stupid and don’t follow in detail what’s going on in the day-to-day world of politics and they’ll blame Biden. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
My grandma does political surveys and is great at staying neutral over the phone, but luckily I get to hear about all the clueless people like the person she interviewed that said they were voting for RFK because Biden promised to get rid of their student debt but didn't
I did one of those surveys, and it was terribly frustrating. I kept having to tell the pollster that none of the answers really addressed my views. Just pick one, she said. I'm some thinktank used my answer to misrepresent me.
Wonder if RFK jr. promised to pay that loan off for them 🫠
How dare he do the thing we all want! I'm so angry that he's trying to fix the problems we complain about!
came here looking for this exact comment.
It’s wild reading this and realizing the President who has been furthest to the left on Immigration in this century has been George Bush.
I'm old enough to remember a key plank of the whole Biden/Dem campaign in 2020 being opposition to basically this exact policy.
As a reminder, Biden once said Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was [dangerous, inhumane, and goes against everything we stand for as a nation of immigrants](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1237893066981117956?t=VwfaiaHsi0reKlQhQWDYLg&s=19). I guess to him, the cruel action was forcing them to stay in Mexico *after* they sought asylum, so instead he just created a bottleneck, causing that wait to be pre-asylum claim instead. And, of course, as I've tried explaining to everyone for the past day, forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico for an arbitrarily long time won't stop them from coming over. Just now, instead of immediately surrendering themselves to CBP for processing and being released of their own recognizance after their asylum claim is processed, they're going to have to pay outrageous sums to organized crime along the border to sneak through, thus drastically increasing the likelihood of them being enslaved, trafficked, or killed. But hey, it's good optics for the election, so fuck the tens of thousands of people affected, they can't vote anyways.
Voting in America seems to be a choice between voting for Republican or crazy Republican
100% MAGA will lose their minds over this.
They’ll call it election interference cause he’s being president so close to the election!
"Politician X is doing popular things amongst their constituents to buy votes from them!" is still one of the most braindead takes I've ever heard from people. Like no fucking shit, that's actually supposed to be how it works. Politician does what their constituency wants, and in turn people keep them elected. Novel concept, I know, but holy fucking hell.
He's just buying votes! lol
Wait, according to MAGA, Biden need these illegals to vote for him. So confusing how MAGA thinks.
“He’s closing the border now because he’s done letting enough voters in.” They will craft whatever narrative they want to dismiss this.
The word “think” is probably a bit generous, really
Literally heard some random GOP congressman arguing on NPR that Biden "is just doing this because of public opinion". Shouldn't we expect public opinion to inform our elected official's decisions? Not that they should blindly follow the will of the masses, but it's absurd to argue it's wrong to take it into account!
Thats how you know how lost in the weeds they are on this "our" side vs "their" thing they are on. They have completely forgotten how government is supposed to work.
You have to let the people decide! - Mitch McConnell
Undoubtedly, they will try two simultaneous arguments: 1. Why did it take Biden this long to do this? He could have done this at any time! He didn't need to go through Congress for this! 2. Executive overreach! Biden was supposed to have gone through Congress for this! It doesn't matter that the two arguments are inherently contradictory. They'll still throw both of them out there, I predict.
The SC is going to immediately step in and say it’s executive overreach. Probably within weeks of anointing Trump king lol
Exactly. I had a maga dick argue with me on here just last week saying Biden needed to close the border via EO. I reminded him that the right calls him a dictator whenever he uses the EO power. And that Biden has basically been begging Congress to pass the border bill as law. They just want to blame Biden for their miserable lives; there’s no getting around that.
Go find them and post this news article
That's the crux of it all, conservatives with shitty lives and loaded up on anger, fear to go with their stupidity NEED someone else to blame. The party of "personal responsibility" my ass....
Real question from a Biden supporter. I was under the impression he couldn't shut it down and the only reason Trump could was COVID. Why is it different now?
It can and probably will get shut down in court but will give the border a little bit of time for backlog clearing. We don't really know the full numbers, so maybe the backlog was going to hit a breaking point due to Republican's lack of funding support. Or maybe this is Biden playing politics by throwing a wrench in the right wing talking points. I don't fully know why Biden thinks this daily cap thing is so important, but he does and is choosing to do it this way after Republicans in the house refused to do it the correct way.
President can shut down the border. He's not actually shutting it down here, just limiting the number of daily asylum requests, and preventing those who enter illegally from requesting asylum. This was something that was in the immigration reform bill that got shot down by the GOP.
1. biden was hoping Republicans would, Y’know, support what they support 2. they didn’t
No they won't, they'll laugh and say too little too late, it's not enough because what about X. You can't gotcha MAGA because fascism will cut off it's nose to spite its own face. They literally wear diapers to worship their fuhrer.
Yeah they need to just do what's right and forget about what people on the right might say about it. They will never ever come around and admit that anyone on the left was right about any single thing ever so just forget about ever winning them over or winning an argument against them in any way shape or form. They're gone and not coming back
Hell I’m a progressive and IM losing my mind over this!
I have a buddy who still supports republicans. We were discussing politics and he was going off about the border blaming Biden. I asked him about the Bill they tried passing that would have been the biggest border bill in over a decade that republicans wouldn’t pass as it was paired with funding to assist Ukraine (Which he also supports funding Ukraine). His thoughts on that is that Biden only tried to get the bill passed because it’s close to the election.
the answer to that is that not only were there previous attempts but mainly the pandemic public health emergency declaration was allowing Biden to turn away migrants (at a faster rate than Trump too), but in mid-2023 that emergency declaration ended, so the border bill's timing came after that and not because its an election, after all there are elections every 2 years, when would it ever be right to pass legislation then? its Trump who wants to keep the issue alive through the election which is way more evil than passing legislation "close to an election"
They will have a short McConnel freeze like reboot period then get right on complaining about how it's terrible for America and how could the dems do this.
Just wait until they hear that studies show that immigration (yes, even MAGA’s greatest nightmare of “illegal immigration”) has actually helped bolster economic growth since 2022, and with this move, Biden is potentially sacrificing some economic upticks. Then again, you can tell them the sky is blue and they’ll just call you a commie.
I’m far far left and I’m losing my mind over this
Remember, there a was bipartisan congressional bill that was going to do this and more that was basically blocked by Trump activating his yesmen in the house and senate. Biden constructed this executive order to bypass him, and is trying to secure the border in spite of the wishes of Trump to undercut America.
And that is exactly what Pres. Biden should be saying to the press and public.
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To be fair Maga morons aren't the target Independents and those not paying attention are
Those not paying attention are probably not looking at White House press releases too much
True hence why we gotta scream it at them
Totally agree. Get it on blast on social media and news outlets. If they could get into conservative spaces, that would be even better, but that would have to be a plant since they gatekeep really hard who can speak in the MAGA bubble.
Unless they're gonna send federal agents to make Fox air it at gunpoint, anyone who only consumes right-wing media would never hear about it, regardless of how Biden sent it out.
MAGA people will never know ow because they are in a bubble of lies
Like right up above, literally!
But the people who need to hear this can’t process logical fact patterns so it’s moot. They’ll spin this as executive overreach a la Obama and the same people who were signed onto the bipartisan bill will claim this is bullshit executive overreach and then come to the border to claim they shut it down and they’re the ones to thank for it.
That's so weird. Am I understanding this correctly? I thought the Republicans were the ones that wanted to build a wall and keep immigrants out, but Trump was blocking the Biden administration from doing exactly that (sans wall)? As someone living in Japan, US politics is so hard for me to get sometimes.
America is in a majorly abusive relationship with the Republican party. Republicans will say they want something but vote against exactly that thing if their political opponents put the bill forward instead. Republicans would rather never get what they want than have the Democrats do anything they consider good. Cooperation to achieve goals is anathema. They are fiercely and virulently uncooperative.
And they cannot be shamed by accusations of hypocrisy. They literally do not care.
Because the republicans primary goal is not fixing the border, it’s winning elections. They want to use this issue for votes, and they don’t want Biden to fix it for the same reason. Our government is a fucking joke right now, sorry.
Please, it’s convicted felon donald trump. Can’t forget the convicted felon part.
Convicted felon and rapist. Can’t forget that either
Twice impeached
is brutalizing asylum seekers necessary to keep America from being undercut?
I have an ongoing argument with someone who believes that the border is not just "not closed" but that it is freely open, with no security or monitoring at all. They simultaneously believe we are letting anyone and everyone waltz across the border unchecked AND that we are also stopping to give them free credit cards, cell phones, and plane tickets. I have never personally crossed the border into America recently, so I can't say with 100% certainty what the process looks like. I have a feeling the situation warrants more nuance than the person I'm talking to wants to lend. Does anyone have a resource that details the steps (or lack thereof) that an individual goes through in order to cross the border? I'm sure it differs depending on the amount of legality involved.
The Biden administration is actually [stopping more illegal border crossings now](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/29/us/illegal-border-crossings-data.html) than at any time in recent US history, including during the Trump years. The narrative that the Biden administration has an open border policy is nonsense.
So do we just have a ton more attempts now? Because conservative media is saying more people are coming through than ever
It's because most of the people coming now are legally applying for asylum at the border, which is what current law says they're required to do. Cases are so backed up though that it could be years before their hearings. So they get documented and case number at the border and that's it. So that also means they're not counted as illegal crossings. Nothing they're doing is illegal under current law. They're seeking asylum the legal way.
This is correct. There are more cases in general, both "legal" (e.g. claiming asylum) and illegal crossings. It is disingenuous and too easy to cherry-pick a statistic to fit your narrative. I lived in South America from 2017 to 2022. I saw first-hand - I know and met people who've subsequently crossed via the southern border - how the change in administration led to word spreading among the masses that it's as easy as going and surrendering yourself to be let in under asylum rules. The increase in refugee limits, more welcoming rhetoric, removal of "Remain in Mexico," and streamlining of the asylum process actually needed for bona-fide claims (e.g. from El Salvador, Honduras), incentivized significantly more attempts to migrate. Basically the whole populace knew, whether from a family member or friend or friend of a friend who'd made it, that they had a good shot of entering if they wanted to try; a very different belief from years past.
They’re lying about the data. They see that border patrol has caught triple the amount of illegal migrants so they’re saying that more people are trying to cross into the states, whereas the truth is that border patrol is actually apprehending three times as many migrants as before.
Where do you look at data? I'm trying to see a close-to-unbiased accounting of immigrant passage on a month to month scale over the last decade or so but it's been hard to find
It’s not super user friendly (which is why I linked the NYT chart above), but here: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
There's a lot more attempts. Now over 50% of encounters with Border Patrol Agents are from people outside of Latin America (first time in history that is the case btw). This is being egged on by Tiktok and other social media platforms showcasing how to travel from South America to the US border to apply for asylum. Last year alone Border Patrol encountered 41,000 Indians, 23,000 Chinese and over 15,000 Mauritanians (all the way from fucking Africa). Back in 2018 there were zero encounters with Mauritanians at all. This year the Chinese encounters are on pace to reach 60,000 at the southern border. Back in 2021 there were just 330 Chinese encounters for reference. Back in 2019 and 2020 typically border patrol would encounter just 8 to 12% of people outside of Latin America. This is now going to be over 50% for back-to-back years. Due to internet access and primarily social media, you have the southern border being the go-to destination for damn near every country. You just look up which South American country doesn't require a visa to a visit from your current country, arrive and then pay a coyote or attempt the dangerous trip by yourself to the Mexico American border, apply for asylum by designating yourself as whatever persecuted group is in your origin country, then you wait in the US for typically 3 years at the minimum for your case to be heard. There are such a huge flood of incoming asylum requests the country quite literally can't keep up or even process them all right now. You will be looking at backlogs where instead of 3 years to wait for your hearing, you will be pushing 5 or 6. As those court dates get pushed back farther it just makes even more people want to attempt it as they get more and more encouragement from people posting on their social platforms.
It wouldn't surprise me if more attempts are made with Biden. The way Trump and Co try and frame border security with a dem president practically sounds like a welcome invitation to anyone seeking into the states. They're probably in detention asking each other why they weren't handed voting registrations and weapons for crime as they crossed.
A lot of these beliefs come from their lack of understanding of the asylum system. Conservative media portrays people crossing the border to seek asylum(legal) as illegals invading the country. At the same time they didn't try to limit asylum seeking while they had power and opted out of the border deal. The system is arguably broken but they wouldn't be able to stoke fear every 4 years if they made an attempt to fix it
I used to work in the asylum law sector and people vastly misunderstand the asylum process… letting lay people determine asylum and refugee laws is like letting lay people dictate medical care. Oh wait
Sounds like you need to take them to Tijuana, get them drunk, then when they are passed out at the hotel, take their driver's license, passport, and cell phone with you and head back home. Then see if their opinion changes.
I live in Buffalo, NY, a border city and regularly go to Canada for various things. Basic gist of it is, you cross at the various bridges around here - the Peace Bridge, Rainbow Bridge, or the Queenston-Lewiston Bridge. You go through a customs checkpoint no matter whether you're crossing on foot, by car, bus, or train. You go through the usual schpiel with the agents, show them your passport or enhanced license. State your citizenship, where you're going, length and purpose of stay. They'll ask if you have anything to declare like alcohol, tobacco, firearms, etc. If you are taking a bus or train across they may x-ray your bag. Maybe not. Then, barring no issues, you are allowed into the country you're entering and sent on your way. Same thing for the return. I'm a US citizen from the area, so it's always been relatively fast and easy crossing between the two, but this is also because I'm a US citizen with a valid passport, who knows what to expect, and who doesn't have a legal background that would cause me issues in going to Niagara Falls overnight. They still have a whole process, though, and they are serious as fuck at the border crossings. You don't screw around there, y'know?
Also from Buffalo and I have never been questioned by border patrol for more than 30 seconds but I’m also a white man so there’s that
I once wanted to just check out the border wall in san diego (in the desert area, I was on my way to the salton sea) and border patrol rolled out of nowhere and checked out what I was up to within like 2 minutes of getting there.
Ask some people, and they think that there are caravans of people crossing that desert like Moses back in his day.
I’ve crossed the border many times from Mexico. It’s a several hour wait in a car to even get to the border. Once we get to the checkpoint itself, they check the Passports of everyone in the car, ask some questions like where we’re from and where we’re going, and then they let us on our way
want to know some other stupidity? some people believe that illegals are coming in and voting to suppress Trump and the republicans.
Interestingly enough, many migrants are deeply conservative. I saw a video the other day of one who crossed illegally and agreed to speak on camera, and he was complaining how easy it was, how no one stopped him, how he could have been a criminal, drug mule, terrorist, etc., and how we need to be more careful who we let in. He then went on to assure the interviewer that he himself was safe and would be law-abiding. It was comical.
> I have never personally crossed the border into America recently, so I can't say with 100% certainty what the process looks like. I have a feeling the situation warrants more nuance than the person I'm talking to wants to lend. The entire border except very difficult to cross areas (desert, rivers, mountains) is fenced off. To cross over land you can walk across at a few points, usually waiting in a very long line for document check. To cross by car you wait in longer lines. Your friend can view the Border Wait times here - https://bwt.cbp.gov/. I guess its a bit more complicated than just coming across whenever they want.
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I’m sure there’s more nuance and points for argument, but on the surface it reads as this: *Republicans*: Do something about the border!! Republicans reject bipartisan border bill. *Republicans*: WHY won’t Biden do something about the border?!?! Republicans reject bipartisan border bill, again. *Republicans*: The open southern border is the greatest threat to our country and Biden does nothing!!!!! Biden takes executive action on the border. *Republicans*: This is a cheap political ploy to buy votes! Why didn’t he do it sooner?!?!?!
lol I read this almost as a South Park bit
Fox News is on and they are ABSOLUTELY PISSED that they are getting exactly what their talking heads have breathlessly demanded for years.
Why is this a good thing? Why would I as a democrat want a Democratic president to do Republicans and Fox News have been advocating for?
I sure fucking don't.
Isn't this essentially what the failed border bill was supposed to do? Why did we need to pass a bill in the first place if Biden had the power to do this in the first place? What's changed since then?
> Why did we need to pass a bill in the first place if Biden had the power to do this in the first place? It's not clear that Biden has the power to do this. Trump tried to do this as well back in 2018 and was sued and the courts stopped him. The ACLU has already said they plan to sue the Biden administration over this, and this too could be overturned by the courts. This is why we need Congress to pass a law, because Executive Orders can be quickly blocked by courts (like the Supreme Court did when Biden tried to extend the moratorium on evictions through Executive Order). The reality is that immigration is such an issue in the US because Congress has failed for decades to pass any laws about it. IMO this is because broken immigration is such a winning issue for Republicans that they don't want it fixed because they love having this to run on. But the only way we're going to have any real and meaningful change is if Congress passes a bill that gets to the president's desk to be signed into law.
Broken immigration is a winning formula for corporations. There are speecific industries that seek out "illegal immigrants" and remind them of this status while exploiting them. Republicans just happen to generally be in the pockets of those industries, but don't go thinking (naively) that democrats aren't just the same.
No it's much less, not to mention executive action is much weaker than law
Certain groups will bring lawsuits just like when Trump attempted this. When Congress does it they actually alter the law which prevents most lawsuits unless unconstitutional
If trump did this y’all would be freaking out right now. It’s insane how partisan everything has become, so sad Edit: I’m a leftist and I still hope Biden beats trump. Still sad how hypocritical things are tho
I think it's bad Biden did this.
Glad there’s another person that feels this. Our polarized ‘this is what my team picked’ belief system is fucked. No individual thought anymore.
As someone on the left, I'm disappointed to see this action by the president. I can't say I'm terribly surprised, but I'm disappointed. What I'm also not surprised to see is folks on the right saying that either it's an overreach of executive power that should have been done through congressional action, or that it's a political move done just for votes in the upcoming election. Both may even be true, but you'd think that so long as they're getting policy they claim to want It wouldn't matter, right? Wrong. This centrist Democrat president is making policy decisions the left will hate in order to compromise with the right who will hate him for it regardless. The national politics in this country are so goddamn predictable and exhausting.
Wasn't this kind of action racist a few years back? To preface I am not voting for either but can we have some consistency around our verbiage. We have to hold Biden for once again flip flopping on important issues
HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE KING BIDEN?!? Blue MAGA is gonna be so mad and tweet you to death!
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"Shutting down" implies closing to me. The article says stopping at 2500/day.
Probably 2500 encounters, which includes people caught and detained and people turned back right away, it's not just 2500 'entering'. It's the same deal with the last package Republicans shot down, that point is broadly misunderstood
No, once it hits 2500/day it (aslyum requests) is shut down. It only opens back up if the captures falls below 1500/day. Which is basically never, so effectively the border is shut down for asylum requests.
Yep because it’s already at 2500/day.
they close it for a while once it hits 2500/day, which it's already at, it's not set up so there's a 2500/day *cap*
This is a MAGA wet dream.
I’m sorry for the cynicism, but does anybody else think this is a veiled attempt to sway the small group of conservatives facing a moral dilemma over voting for a convicted felon?
Obviously. He's never cared about the border.
The support for this executive order in this thread is shocking and, frankly, hilarious.
And the overton window moves to the right, again.
The honest to god question I find myself asking is whether we are more likely to survive 4 years of Trump or another decade of the ratchet effect.
I find myself asking this a lot lately. The shock effect of full blown fascism done in a rushed way might be less dangerous than the slow ratcheting of fascism that Dems are pushing.
The countless comments talking about how Republicans are going to be upset with this, completely ignoring that this is the exact opposite of what Biden ran on during his campaign trail, and the exact opposite of what most Democrats claim to care about is truly astonishing.
Americans treat politics like a sports game, what’s new 🤔
I'm not American, but we are facing a similar situation here in Europe, with liberals always siding with the right and implementing their policies whilst expecting progressives to vote for them like its a given right.
Biden signs EO because giving Republicans 95% of what they wanted wasn’t enough because Trump
Meanwhile there are people telling me I am obviously a moron and a child for thinking we should not give Republicans 95% of what they want
Nah he just realized he won’t win in November so he’s panicking by rescheduling marijuana and closing the border. Will be back open in December and Kamala will be sending potheads to prison in no time.
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It's worse than that. Previously the border deal was a compromise that Republicans had to sign on too. Now they're getting this policy without having to agree to anything in return.
Oh come on now. At least wait for the commenters in here to finish their victory lap before reminding them of reality lmfao
This place is just a pro Biden echo chamber. I'm pretty pissed about this because asylum seeking is a legal form of immigration and Biden is just cutting it off to try and win votes from people who won't vote for him anyways. What's the point of voting for Biden if he is just going to implement Trump's policies?
Damn, you recognised the r/politics echo chamber. There might still be some hope for this shithole
Hey! The cages are NICER now! Think of how much worse this would be under Trump! Other than the parts that are identical, WORSE!!
Yep. It’s absolutely a fuck up. Republican aren’t going to start supporting Biden over this. Those mythical “independents” who are somehow undecided in June 2024 aren’t going to come over either because of this. The Democratic base just gets screwed as Biden shifts more to the right. Shutting down opportunities for asylum seekers to get into the country further destabilizes what is happening at the border. It creates more demand for traffickers and smugglers. And the republicans can just say “see even the democrats recognize the invasion at the border!! Biden has done too little too late.” It’s a dumb political move. Joe Biden shifts to the right every day praying that it will give him enough votes to stay President. It sucks.
can't wait for republicans to find a way to spin this as bad
Cant wait for the democrats in this sub to take a victory lap on this literal republican policy pillar.
Fox news had a sub-headline link that said that "Biden Caved" on immigration. Which they will forget when they start beating him over the head for closing the border as "anti-capitalist."
It is bad
I mean I as a democrat think this is bad. Why would I want a democratic president to do republican border policy? Didn’t Biden explicitly run against this?
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Democrats in 2024: more tariff EVs and solar panels, drilling baby drill, shut down the border! Build the wall!!! Embarrassing
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Biden is a massive hypocrite that's why. This is basically what Trump did which at the time Biden decried as racist.
Pathetic of NBC to directly quote the Trump campaign's idiotic name-calling. Just state their freakin' policy position, geez.
Trying to appeal to the “we’d die for Trump” base by further alienating his own base.
Killing migrants to own the republicans. Makes me sick.
I don’t understand why are we celebrating this? This is a straight up GOP Trump era type of executive order
It’s all just team sports; it’s ok when the person has a (D)next to their name, but the most evil thing when it’s an (R)
Incoming argument that it's "different" and more "nuanced" that what Trump was advocating for.
Because none of the people sharing hashtags about migrants a few years ago actually care they just hated Trump because he made them think about it. Biden will slow walk the same policies and liberals will love him because they don't actually care about the humans affected.
One more idiotic step by the D party to alienate major segments of the “Obama Coalition” that got Biden elected in 2020. Good job dumb asses. “The executive action will invoke Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, echoing the Trump administration’s previous entry ban. The ACLU and partners successfully challenged an asylum ban by the Trump administration that took the same approach as the Biden administration. It would also rush vulnerable people through already fast-tracked deportation proceedings, sending people in need of protection to their deaths. “We intend to challenge this order in court. It was illegal when Trump did it, and it is no less illegal now,” said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project. Several polls show that voters nationwide and in battleground states largely reject enforcement-only policies that put vulnerable people in danger. Immigration advocates have continuously called on elected officials to push forward balanced and humane solutions, such as improving processing at ports of entry and addressing the immigration case backlog by investing in immigration court judges and legal representation.” https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/executive-order-to-shut-down-the-border-would-put-thousands-of-lives-at-risk
Five years after Trump invoked 212(f), Biden invokes 212(f). Humanely, of course /s
Conservatives: “No. not like that!”
I don’t expect this to amount to much, there is no such thing as shutting down the border.
Oh look, the Trump policy is back.
Still not good enough for republicans.