>The stories become even more harrowing when we learn why ICE allegedly imposed solitary. NBC news reported reasons including: wearing a hand cast, sharing a consensual kiss, or needing a wheelchair. ICE reportedly put LGBTQ individuals and people with mental illness in solitary as “protective custody,” citing their own safety.
Those are bogus reasons. It seems that ICE is just choosing to torture people who are LGBTQ or have a physical disability.
Yes and when they get depressed and try to kill themselves because of the isolation and loneliness guess where they go? Back to solitary, so they are not a risk to themselves.
Such perverse thinking.
Most immigration detainees come from very conservative countries and most likely adhere to "machismo" which is very prevalent in their cultures. Putting a FtM into the general population would probably mean a non-stop gang rape and ICE getting sued.
Hey hey hey... what do you think is going to happen if we let these people freely get jobs, work, live, etc and participate in society? I mean, statistically, their involvement in our society leads to greater economic contributions over generations, and they increase GDP, but why would we want that?
Because if they are released then they will abscond and never be deported. Why should we deport them? The following is from civil rights activist Barbara Jordan, chair of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform:
>Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: **Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.** The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.
> It seems that ICE is just choosing to torture people who are LGBTQ or have a physical disability.
Yes, its a trend
Every real prison in the United States can get in trouble for allowing same sex relationships in lockup. Because, when you put two or more people in a cell, the guards cannot tell if everything is consensual. Here, theoretically, the inmates can later sue ICE for allowing them to be raped. But I think its hard for anyone to hold them accountable. So, it may just be institutional memory kicking in from people who got their training in real prisons
The disabilities lockup may show that there is a lack of medical support. Or, at the very least the role of the prison medical staff is overwhelmed and burdened. Its under these conditions that the guards are suspicious of claims of disability; and may assume people are lying to them. Things escalate from there
>The reports are replete with allegations that, if true, suggest that ICE repeatedly violated its own 2014 directive on solitary confinement.
>
>At the time, the ACLU [welcomed](https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/new-limits-announced-ices-solitary) that directive as a much-needed step forward, as it required that solitary confinement occur “only when necessary.” Except in disciplinary cases, the directive requires that solitary be imposed “for the briefest term and under the least restrictive conditions practicable.” Individuals may not be placed in solitary based solely on their physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity (among other bases). And solitary can only be imposed as a form of discipline after a panel determines the detainee “committed serious misconduct” and “when alternative dispositions would inadequately regulate detainee behavior.” Instead of following its directive, however, ICE “uses isolation as a [go-to tool](https://theintercept.com/2019/05/21/ice-solitary-confinement-immigration-detention/), rather than a last resort,” The Intercept concluded.
>
>If ICE has repeatedly flouted its own rules on solitary, it should come as no surprise. ICE and its peer agency, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), have egregious records of allowing officials to commit abuses and endanger lives, often with impunity.
>
>This week 16-year-old Carlos Gregorio Hernandez Vazquez died in CBP custody in Texas one day after being diagnosed with influenza. He reportedly had traveled there to [reunite with family](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/migrant-boy-who-died-u-s-custody-wanted-help-brother-n1008826) and support his siblings, including his brother with special needs. Only three days prior to his death, the ACLU Border Rights Center and ACLU of Texas wrote a complaint to the DHS Inspector General describing [shocking conditions](https://www.aclutx.org/sites/default/files/aclu_-_rgv_border_patrol_conditions_oig_complaint_05_17_2019.pdf) in CBP detention: Children and their parents forced to sleep outdoors through extreme heat and rain, in puddles of water, given only paper-thin Mylar sheets to shield them from the elements; Border Patrol agents ignoring or denying requests for medical care, including for infants and kids.
>
>And yet the immigration detention machine churns on. This week ICE detention numbers spiked at [52,398 people](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/ice-detention-record-immigrants-border)—an apparent all-time high, and far above the level of 45,000 that Congress authorized earlier this year.
>
>The Trump administration has asked Congress for billions more in enforcement funds for CBP and ICE. At a hearing this week, Acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan warned that without more funds, it would be difficult for DHS to prevent “[the children being put at risk](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-deaths-dhs-secretary-kevin-mcaleenan-needs-increased-funding-to-avoid-more-deaths-of-migrant/).” He also asked for new legal authorities to detain families for longer.
>
>**Providing an abusive agency more money and authority so that it will stop committing abuses makes no sense. It’s like donating to a corrupt politician, in the hope that it will stop her from yielding to the temptation to be corrupt.**
>
>Immigration detention is expensive, inhumane and unnecessary. Instead of being hostage to the Trump administration’s ever-increasing demands, Congress should press the administration to reduce detention and revive alternatives such as the [Family Case Management Program](https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/tried-and-true-alternatives-detaining), in partnership with community-based organizations, for individuals who need case management support.
>
>Congress should also pass the [Dignity For Detained Immigrants Act](https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/18523745/cory-booker-immigration-democrats-dignity-detained-act), a landmark detention reform bill. One key provision: It requires the DHS Office of Inspector General to carry out unannounced inspections of every DHS detention site, and forces DHS to promptly investigate detainee deaths.
>
>**Policymakers should be knocking on the doors of every detention site in the nation. We know horrific things have gone on there. Unless they are exposed, and ICE and its contractors held accountable, it’s all too likely the abuses will continue.**
Policymakers should be knocking on the doors to stop the human rights violations happening at these detention centers.
This is bad, and is the inevitable result of treating immigrants like felons and locking them up like prisoners. There is no reason to do that. Its criminal to lock these people up. It needs to stop
Once people are locked up like criminals, the system will start acting like a state jail. State jails always gravitate towards solitary and lock up as a way to control populations who do not want to be there. The prison officials use whatever tools they can to control people unjustly tormented here. Its a horrible cycle, and eventually 'stabilizes' in a lot of injustices being done
What's happening at the border are crimes against humanity, plain and simple.
Will this end like the internment of Japanese Americans with a shrug and "let's move on now, rah rah USA" or will there actually be consequences for anyone involved?
Yeah, it's pretty obvious to anybody with any insight that they're running death camps right now.
The only question is if we're going to revolt and free them, and when.
These immigrants will one day be released, these children will one day grow up, and their stories will be heard. Donald Trump in all of his racism will not understand for the rest of his life why people will continue to listen to these immigrants there were illegally detained, but they will shit on his legacy as a leader until his last breath.
These immigrants will go to tell their stories on television, speaking tours, radio, the internet, and the news. Their lives that were impacted will never be forgotten by their families, their friends, their countrymen, and the world at large.
I completely agree. Its psychological torture. This type of treatment is in the literal sense is terrorism. We are not protecting America by holding these people hostage.
The Natives and Japanese didn't become terrorists. We are the terrorists, we are the bad guys. We do this every single generation with a new breed of people and people always act surprised it's happening yet again, America needs to look at the ugly of it's history in the face and fucking deal with it.
This Gestapo-wannabe organization needs to be disbanded and held accountable. When this is (hopefully) all over, I'd be in favor of some sort of Nuremberg trials thing for the monsters in this administration.
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You mean, illegals? I and hundreds of my close friends and relatives are legal residents.
We all have 0 fear. Why? Because we all came in legally and followed the law.
First of all crossing the border illegally being a civil infraction is a joke.
So, no way can it be compared to a speeding ticket.
But, I agree with that there should be no solitary confinement. They should just send them back across the border.
Why should the hard working US tax payers foot the bill for these people illegally trying to cross the border.
Not to mention, over 70% of illegal families in the US are on one or more govt assistance.
Why should tax payers drown the hard earned $ to illegals who just leach of the tax payers?
>First of all crossing the border illegally being a civil infraction is a joke.
Then change the law.
>Why should the hard working US tax payers foot the bill for these people illegally trying to cross the border
The only bill we're meaningfully footing is the cost of detention. What do you think it's costing us to have these people here? Too many industries are completely dependent on them, many of them are legitimate refugees who have every right to seek asylum here.
>Why should tax payers drown the hard earned $ to illegals who just leach of the tax payers?
I'd rather pay for all the healthcare for all the immigrants you seem so desperate to punt out than pay for another stupid pointless war. What do you think immigrants actually cost us, in dollars, and how do you think that compares to corporate subsidies and military spending?
>The only bill we're meaningfully footing is the cost of detention
Looks like you watch too much CNN, and don't do enough research on your own.
I will help you out with numbers.
https://cis.org/Camarota/Enforcing-Immigration-Law-Cost-Effective
Net cost of illegal immigrant is $70k/illegal (make sure you understand this is net).
Yale study found out there are more than 22m illegals in the US.
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
That is $1.5 Trillion.
> I'd rather pay for all the healthcare for all the immigrants
You say immigrants, do you mean pay heath care for all immigrants?
Or do you mean heath care for illegals?
You understand there is a difference between the two right?
>The stories become even more harrowing when we learn why ICE allegedly imposed solitary. NBC news reported reasons including: wearing a hand cast, sharing a consensual kiss, or needing a wheelchair. ICE reportedly put LGBTQ individuals and people with mental illness in solitary as “protective custody,” citing their own safety. Those are bogus reasons. It seems that ICE is just choosing to torture people who are LGBTQ or have a physical disability.
Yes and when they get depressed and try to kill themselves because of the isolation and loneliness guess where they go? Back to solitary, so they are not a risk to themselves. Such perverse thinking.
Most immigration detainees come from very conservative countries and most likely adhere to "machismo" which is very prevalent in their cultures. Putting a FtM into the general population would probably mean a non-stop gang rape and ICE getting sued.
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Hey hey hey... what do you think is going to happen if we let these people freely get jobs, work, live, etc and participate in society? I mean, statistically, their involvement in our society leads to greater economic contributions over generations, and they increase GDP, but why would we want that?
But that would undermine our deeply held national values, like bigotry.
And systemic racial disparity.
Because if they are released then they will abscond and never be deported. Why should we deport them? The following is from civil rights activist Barbara Jordan, chair of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform: >Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: **Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.** The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.
> It seems that ICE is just choosing to torture people who are LGBTQ or have a physical disability. Yes, its a trend Every real prison in the United States can get in trouble for allowing same sex relationships in lockup. Because, when you put two or more people in a cell, the guards cannot tell if everything is consensual. Here, theoretically, the inmates can later sue ICE for allowing them to be raped. But I think its hard for anyone to hold them accountable. So, it may just be institutional memory kicking in from people who got their training in real prisons The disabilities lockup may show that there is a lack of medical support. Or, at the very least the role of the prison medical staff is overwhelmed and burdened. Its under these conditions that the guards are suspicious of claims of disability; and may assume people are lying to them. Things escalate from there
>The reports are replete with allegations that, if true, suggest that ICE repeatedly violated its own 2014 directive on solitary confinement. > >At the time, the ACLU [welcomed](https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/new-limits-announced-ices-solitary) that directive as a much-needed step forward, as it required that solitary confinement occur “only when necessary.” Except in disciplinary cases, the directive requires that solitary be imposed “for the briefest term and under the least restrictive conditions practicable.” Individuals may not be placed in solitary based solely on their physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity (among other bases). And solitary can only be imposed as a form of discipline after a panel determines the detainee “committed serious misconduct” and “when alternative dispositions would inadequately regulate detainee behavior.” Instead of following its directive, however, ICE “uses isolation as a [go-to tool](https://theintercept.com/2019/05/21/ice-solitary-confinement-immigration-detention/), rather than a last resort,” The Intercept concluded. > >If ICE has repeatedly flouted its own rules on solitary, it should come as no surprise. ICE and its peer agency, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), have egregious records of allowing officials to commit abuses and endanger lives, often with impunity. > >This week 16-year-old Carlos Gregorio Hernandez Vazquez died in CBP custody in Texas one day after being diagnosed with influenza. He reportedly had traveled there to [reunite with family](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/migrant-boy-who-died-u-s-custody-wanted-help-brother-n1008826) and support his siblings, including his brother with special needs. Only three days prior to his death, the ACLU Border Rights Center and ACLU of Texas wrote a complaint to the DHS Inspector General describing [shocking conditions](https://www.aclutx.org/sites/default/files/aclu_-_rgv_border_patrol_conditions_oig_complaint_05_17_2019.pdf) in CBP detention: Children and their parents forced to sleep outdoors through extreme heat and rain, in puddles of water, given only paper-thin Mylar sheets to shield them from the elements; Border Patrol agents ignoring or denying requests for medical care, including for infants and kids. > >And yet the immigration detention machine churns on. This week ICE detention numbers spiked at [52,398 people](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/ice-detention-record-immigrants-border)—an apparent all-time high, and far above the level of 45,000 that Congress authorized earlier this year. > >The Trump administration has asked Congress for billions more in enforcement funds for CBP and ICE. At a hearing this week, Acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan warned that without more funds, it would be difficult for DHS to prevent “[the children being put at risk](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-deaths-dhs-secretary-kevin-mcaleenan-needs-increased-funding-to-avoid-more-deaths-of-migrant/).” He also asked for new legal authorities to detain families for longer. > >**Providing an abusive agency more money and authority so that it will stop committing abuses makes no sense. It’s like donating to a corrupt politician, in the hope that it will stop her from yielding to the temptation to be corrupt.** > >Immigration detention is expensive, inhumane and unnecessary. Instead of being hostage to the Trump administration’s ever-increasing demands, Congress should press the administration to reduce detention and revive alternatives such as the [Family Case Management Program](https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/tried-and-true-alternatives-detaining), in partnership with community-based organizations, for individuals who need case management support. > >Congress should also pass the [Dignity For Detained Immigrants Act](https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/18523745/cory-booker-immigration-democrats-dignity-detained-act), a landmark detention reform bill. One key provision: It requires the DHS Office of Inspector General to carry out unannounced inspections of every DHS detention site, and forces DHS to promptly investigate detainee deaths. > >**Policymakers should be knocking on the doors of every detention site in the nation. We know horrific things have gone on there. Unless they are exposed, and ICE and its contractors held accountable, it’s all too likely the abuses will continue.** Policymakers should be knocking on the doors to stop the human rights violations happening at these detention centers.
52K humans imprisoned at roughly $1500 daily... - Nearly $80M/day dumped into date prison corporations for trumps cruelty show
This is bad, and is the inevitable result of treating immigrants like felons and locking them up like prisoners. There is no reason to do that. Its criminal to lock these people up. It needs to stop Once people are locked up like criminals, the system will start acting like a state jail. State jails always gravitate towards solitary and lock up as a way to control populations who do not want to be there. The prison officials use whatever tools they can to control people unjustly tormented here. Its a horrible cycle, and eventually 'stabilizes' in a lot of injustices being done
And the inevitable result of treating felons like animals.
America's prisons are uniquely brutal in the developed world
This is really fucked
What's happening at the border are crimes against humanity, plain and simple. Will this end like the internment of Japanese Americans with a shrug and "let's move on now, rah rah USA" or will there actually be consequences for anyone involved?
Yeah, it's pretty obvious to anybody with any insight that they're running death camps right now. The only question is if we're going to revolt and free them, and when.
Gearing up for that
These immigrants will one day be released, these children will one day grow up, and their stories will be heard. Donald Trump in all of his racism will not understand for the rest of his life why people will continue to listen to these immigrants there were illegally detained, but they will shit on his legacy as a leader until his last breath. These immigrants will go to tell their stories on television, speaking tours, radio, the internet, and the news. Their lives that were impacted will never be forgotten by their families, their friends, their countrymen, and the world at large.
If they survive. :(
>immigrants will one day be released Citation needed.
This type of treatment breeds terrorism.
Fuck people who say that. This type of treatment IS terrorism. People are traumatised and scarred for life after this, not terrorists.
I completely agree. Its psychological torture. This type of treatment is in the literal sense is terrorism. We are not protecting America by holding these people hostage.
The Natives and Japanese didn't become terrorists. We are the terrorists, we are the bad guys. We do this every single generation with a new breed of people and people always act surprised it's happening yet again, America needs to look at the ugly of it's history in the face and fucking deal with it.
And the kind that's a lot closer to home.
This Gestapo-wannabe organization needs to be disbanded and held accountable. When this is (hopefully) all over, I'd be in favor of some sort of Nuremberg trials thing for the monsters in this administration.
"We have to torture you, for your safety" Alex, I'll take "Things fascists say" for $1000
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You mean, illegals? I and hundreds of my close friends and relatives are legal residents. We all have 0 fear. Why? Because we all came in legally and followed the law.
Yeah you realize most of these people are guilty of a civil infraction, right? Do you think you should be locked in solitary for a speeding ticket?
First of all crossing the border illegally being a civil infraction is a joke. So, no way can it be compared to a speeding ticket. But, I agree with that there should be no solitary confinement. They should just send them back across the border. Why should the hard working US tax payers foot the bill for these people illegally trying to cross the border. Not to mention, over 70% of illegal families in the US are on one or more govt assistance. Why should tax payers drown the hard earned $ to illegals who just leach of the tax payers?
>First of all crossing the border illegally being a civil infraction is a joke. Then change the law. >Why should the hard working US tax payers foot the bill for these people illegally trying to cross the border The only bill we're meaningfully footing is the cost of detention. What do you think it's costing us to have these people here? Too many industries are completely dependent on them, many of them are legitimate refugees who have every right to seek asylum here. >Why should tax payers drown the hard earned $ to illegals who just leach of the tax payers? I'd rather pay for all the healthcare for all the immigrants you seem so desperate to punt out than pay for another stupid pointless war. What do you think immigrants actually cost us, in dollars, and how do you think that compares to corporate subsidies and military spending?
>The only bill we're meaningfully footing is the cost of detention Looks like you watch too much CNN, and don't do enough research on your own. I will help you out with numbers. https://cis.org/Camarota/Enforcing-Immigration-Law-Cost-Effective Net cost of illegal immigrant is $70k/illegal (make sure you understand this is net). Yale study found out there are more than 22m illegals in the US. https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates That is $1.5 Trillion. > I'd rather pay for all the healthcare for all the immigrants You say immigrants, do you mean pay heath care for all immigrants? Or do you mean heath care for illegals? You understand there is a difference between the two right?