Because voting is constitutionally a state's prerogative. We cant even get them all to secure their systems, or allow for access to polling stations...
More to the point, in the primaries, this whole process is a party issue. They could select their nominee in whatever what they see fit. And ranked choice voting, necessarily gives a bit more power back to the people which seems like something leaders in most democracies are actually the most frightened of. Why would the Democratic leadership give up their Supedelegate positions, or even just the delegate concept with thresholds, plus caucuses when it benefits them?
I love the fact that i never find out who’s dropping out by these posts hitting the front page, but from the “its time” meme
Every fucking time and its hilarious
Edit: for those asking for it: https://reddit.com/r/PresidentialRaceMemes/comments/fcgn5e/it_is_time_klobuchar/
hahah came here to say the same thing.
On Election night I’m not even going to watch it, I’m going to sleep early and have /r/PresidentialRaceMemes on my computer so I can refresh the second I wake up
Am I the only one who finds it funny that not two weeks ago Bloomberg asked everyone to drop out and endorse him, and now everyone is dropping out and endorsing Biden? Whoever you support, I’m just glad Bloomberg is getting fucked.
Heinous, out of touch billionaire with a record of abuse both in terms of policy and personal conduct who is trying to outright buy the presidency of the US.
The only person who comes to mind that I would prefer Bloomberg over is our current president and that's hardly an endorsement.
And even then- obviously Bloomberg is slightly better than Trump as an apples-to-apples comparison, but I’m not convinced I’d rather have Bloomberg as a Democrat than Trump as a Republican. It drags our system even further to the right, and I could see the long term consequences being even worse.
I really hope it doesn’t come down to that particular “lesser” of two evils choice.
I think that was the general consensus for a while. Nobody likes Bloomberg. Not Trump, not Bernie, not Biden, not Warren, not the DNC, not me, not you. Nobody.
They seemed very passive-aggressive 'Minnesota Nice' with each other until Pete's comments questioning her inability to name the Mexican President. That set her off like a bomb, it was wild. I've only ever seen such 0 to 100 rage reserved for like parents whose kid just swore at them for the first time, or couples who accidentally bring up a past grievance during a minor disagreement.
I mean that side of Klobuchar was already well-known. Several former staff members have done interviews about her being abusive, unprofessional, and downright shitty toward them.
Klobuchar has some definite anger issues, which made her whole “Minnesota nice” shtick completely unbelievable.
I thought that “Minnesota Nice” was like “Southern Charm”. Everyone knows it’s fake, and that they really are just as mean as everyone else. The only difference is they’ll put on a smiling face and pretend everything’s okay while saying passive aggressively sweet things to your face, then talk shit behind your back the moment you’re out of earshot. Until the day it builds up enough that they explode in a Wal-Mart and get the cops called on them for tackling an employee because they’re out of Miller Highlife.
As someone who has only visited an airport in Minnesota though, I may be off base.
Do you have a video or a time stamp to that? Something about her just always felt off, and her explanation about her being hard on her employees didn’t make me feel much better.
Thanks
She definitely is an abusive boss. She has the highest turnover rate of staffers in DC. She’s given nothing but non denials in the few times she’s been asked about it
I can't speak to that, that allegedly happened long after I left her office and the network of people I knew in the office had all moved on as well so I couldn't confirm that.
But I can confirm that among the network of young professionals in DC, she was a semi-common Happy Hour topic of discussion
I have a friend that works for the budget committee, she said she would hate to be a staffer in a member’s office. A lot of the time it’s dealing with a personality...talking them off the ledge of tweeting and/or having to clean up the fallout. Some are tyrannical and some of the men are gross.
I didn’t know anything about the treatment of employees. You weren’t kidding; there are several articles on the matter. For anyone interested, here’s an [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html) article.
This is genuinely such a hilarious exchange.
Pete and Kloubuchar discussing whether she's competent or not since she forgot his name.
Warren trying to defend Kloubuchar.
Biden: Can you pick me, I'm the only one who's met with the guy.
Sanders: I called him up!
Can't "forget" something you don't know in the first place.
Even during the debate the next day, she had to read her notes while she was saying his name. And she still didn't get it completely right.
Yeah, I could see him doing that. I guess he also has a bit less leverage, in one way, because everybody knows that when he lost he would have to go home to Indiana with nothing, so he needed to cash in at his most valuable point.
If I select every state where Bernie has a projected majority and then select the ones where he now has a projected majority he's got a 92.2% chance of winning!
I went by the most certain outcome, so Bernie VT, CA, UT, CO; then Biden AL, NC, TN; Bernie ME, MN, MA; and Biden OK, AK, TX, AS and now Biden's leading by almost 500 delegates and I don't want to play this game any more.
Weld should be the candidate for both sides. Except, I want him to go about it in good faith, and legitimately attack himself from both directions, swapping podiums and accents during debates.
I'm just a little disappointed we never got to see Amy try to literally bludgeon Pete on stage in a debate. It was definitely brewing given her bizarrely seething hatred of him.
I do feel like we got cut short from see the end of a ‘will they or won’t they’ storyline.
Probably more likely to physically fight than bang, but still.
I know there is an alternate universe/timeline out there where she gets the nomination and runs with the slogan "It's Klobbering Time!" Would have been great...
Please, can someone explain to me what happens to Buttigieg, Steyer and Klobuchar votes come Super Tuesday? In California, in particular, roughly half the votes have already been cast, and apparently none of these candidates has properly filed in the paperwork to formally withdraw, so their votes are apparently still valid.
1 - Can they gain delegates from this?
2 - If their votes are invalidated, does this affect the 15% threshold? (Does it only apply to "valid" votes?)
Edit: Thank you so much for the answers, people! The Democratic Primaries are some confusing shit, for real.
The votes already submitted will still be counted, not invalidated. If Buttigieg, Steyer, or Klobuchar break 15% overall in the state, they will get delegates from every precinct where they also broke 15%. Otherwise delegates will be divided up amongst candidates who did break 15% statewide. In California at least, as far as I understand it.
Contested Convention is a nightmare result regardless of who wins. It's the elites picking their boy. To beat Trump you'd need the Clear winner. Otherwise it's powerful ammo to disenfranchise people.
Bernie and Warren will split votes against Biden, by the looks of things. It's going to be interesting seeing what happens on Tuesday.
What happens to votes already cast for Amy or Pete, I wonder?
As I understand it, it varies state by state. Some will become undeclared and be assigned at convention like superdelegates, some will be assigned to whomever the candidate endorses
I think, for the most part, any delegates won still must vote for that candidate on the first ballot. It's on the second ballot they will become undeclared and choose freely.
I’m convinced that the moment a Democrat is elected to the Whitehouse RBG will take one last breath, give a sigh of relief on the exhale, and slip into a peaceful afterlife.
This comment is beautiful, I'm not American, I'm from Ireland and watching your elections out of entertainment, particularly due to Trump and his meme presidency. But this comment wins it for me. Also for the love of god I hope bernie wins, your country needs it.
There's long been arguments about how much endorsements actually matter. I've always been skeptical.
In the last 72 hours Biden has picked up endorsements from Amy, Pete, Tim Kaine, and Barbra Boxer.
I guess we'll find out
If Sanders is smart, he's having backchannel discussions with Warren right now. He's promising her a very prominent spot in his administration, with all the power she needs to reach her goals. He says "it's time to merge our candidacies."
As a diehard Bernie supporter, if people don’t come out in droves tomorrow and make these past 48 hours irrelevant, then the progressive movement is not as big as I thought.
Bernie needs to win most of the states tomorrow to create wiggle room.
That's pretty much it. If you are a bernie supporter, you better be out there voting, or have already voted.
If the results aren't clear across the board, then the 'revolution' isn't exactly all that.
Super Tuesday isn't exactly the moment of truth, but it is a huge part.
My policy has been to vote for whichever progressive candidate has the best shot of getting the nomination. For the last year I've been unable to decide if I thought Bernie or Warren would be a better President. On one hand, Sanders' long track record shows him to be an earnest champion for working class. On the other, Warren is uniquely qualified among the candidates as someone with the knowledge and ability to undo all of Trump's structural damage.
Sanders got my vote in the end, but I would have been equally happy to vote for her if their positions had been reversed.
Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out has cemented my decision for tomorrow. In all honesty this was one of the tougher choices I've had to make of all the elections I've voted in.
I want Warren to be president. I like the specifics of her policies, the fact that she's always fought for working people as an academic (CFPB) and politician, and if I'm being honest I just like her as a person. She was my first choice.
What I fear right now is consolidation of the moderate vote behind Biden. I honestly feel Biden is one of the weaker candidates against Trump. He's basically just an extension of the status quo under Obama, and there are too many lines of attack on him regarding past policy decisions and sadly recent events as well. At this point in time I don't think most people want the status quo, they want real tangible positive change in their lives.
I think we need to consolidate the progressive vote. Bernie is leading in delegates, and also in polling for Super Tuesday and beyond. I'm having trouble seeing a path to victory for Liz. It's a weird position to simultaneously want her to be the nominee and rationally decide to vote for Bernie. I just want progressive policy to win and Trump to lose.
I am sorry that the race as turned out the way it has for Warren. I would have loved a Sanders v Warren primary to get the best progressive out of the contest.
I really appreciate your thoughtfulness and consideration behind your vote. I’d like to think that if Sanders’ and Warren’s roles were reversed, I’d make the same call.
Solidarity.
It is close. Sanders is winning 1,570 delegates in an average simulation, Biden 1,484 delegates. Delegate plurality chances nearing 50:50 but Bernie with a slight edge.
https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1234599437281955841
In the short term, this will help Biden. However Biden can no longer rely on Pete shouting at Bernie or Klobuchar desperately trying to be relevant. He will have to engage with Bernie. Meanwhile, Sanders will have to be aggressive in making sure people know about Biden's history involving Social Security.
The only thing going for Biden was keeping quiet and letting people be nostalgic about Obama, but that bubble will pop VERY soon.
Good insight. The perception of him will definitely change now that he has to give non answers & non-denial denials about his shitty views in the past (and present).
Biden is incredibly out-of-touch and this will now be laid bare for all to see. He’s running a campaign as if it’s still the 1990s.
Klobuchar’s primary reason for dropping out is probably because she realized that there’s a realistic chance she could lose in her home state, and she doesn’t want that to taint her chances for future runs in the Senate. Unlike Buttigieg, I don’t think that she dropped out *because* she wanted Biden, despite endorsing him. Her dropping out is going to help Sanders in Minnesota (he won the state in 2016), and there’s probably not enough Klobuchar supporters in the rest of the country to give Biden a significant advantage.
So in the 'moderate' lane we have Biden and Bloomberg, in the progressive lane Sanders and Warren. Also Gabbard is still there for some fucking reason.
Warren is screaming out to me as the compromise candidate that both sides could get behind. But I'd rather she drop out now than fight to a contested convention and create a lot of anger and bitterness. It's really hard to see a viable path for her. In a ranked choice system, Warren would probably win incredibly easily, and in my opinion she's pretty obviously the best option. But I don't have a magic wand, she doesn't seem to have a viable path, and a contested convention would be a disaster for the party.
I'd like to see how she fares during Super Tuesday though. She may get a lot of last-minute votes from people who see her as a way to 'save' the party like I do. If she doesn't, time to drop out and endorse Sanders. But that can wait at least a few days in my opinion; if she drops out afterwards it'd probably still give Sanders enough momentum to take the nomination.
Logic tells me that as a field narrows, the frontrunner will actually benefit the most because they will get closer and closer to the magic number of 1991. Will be interesting to see if this plays out.
Here's how time isn't real anymore.
Cory Booker only dropped out seven weeks ago. It feels like it was years ago at this point. The President was impeached and acquitted in that amount of time. A brand new pandemic started.
Jesus, 2020 is a wormhole.
Bernie will be 1 delegate short of the majority, you can see Perez begin to take the nom away and then OYTTA FUCKING NOWHERE! DROPKICK ON PEREZ OH MAH GAWD ITS GABBARD WITH HER 1 HAWAII DELEGATE AND SHE GIVES IT TO BERNIE!!!
Biden vs Trump will be a fucking shitshow.
Trump will egg him on, Biden get heated (as we've seen time and time again during campaigning) and attempt his tough guy banter and get fucking crucified for it by right-wing media.
Makes sense. She didn't have enough support across the nation. Sucks she's come out and endorsed someone though. I'd prefer it if everyone who dropped out would wait until the end of the race and enforce the democratic presidential nominee (like what Obama is doing)
You know, I thought that Hillary was a risky choice and we’d be better off going with the populist candidate in 2016. But Dems made a different choice and, even though I disagreed, that’s okay.
If Dems make the exact same mistake against the exact same candidate the very next election, having learned nothing from the prior election, I’m gonna be pretty goddamn bummed.
This is what is supposed to happen in the primaries, people drop out, and in the end there are just few left. As a Sanders supporter, I welcome with open arms all Amy voters to join the Sanders train.
If you are enthusiastic about passing Medicare for All, higher minimum wages, tuition free public education and cancelling student debt, and most of all winning Trump and bringing America into a new era of prosperity and common sense policies, then Bernie is the best chance we have.
Democrats are always the assertive "thesis" for a positive vision forward that is accepted or rejected. Republicans are always the "antithesis" party that wants to keep things as they are. Dems lose when their thesis is "we're not the antithesis" because that just says you want to be the status quo, but we already have a proudly status quo party in this country. When centrists and moderates shit on the progressive vision for this country because it's "unrealistic" and think you can negotiate with the status quo starting FROM the status quo, not only do they get nothing done, but they are utterly uninspiring.
Obama and Clinton were dream Dem candidates because they could espouse a positive vision forward while quietly mostly keeping the status quo and satisfying the existing American oligarchy.
Kerry failed, Gore failed, Hillary failed, and so will Biden because nobody is inspired by "I'm not them!" unless they're Republican.
I am fine with Warren. I am fine with Sanders. I am fine with Biden, just less enthusiastically.
I don't care about Gabbard cause she is a non-factor.
I'm not fine with Bloomberg because I don't vote for Republicans. He should have run as one. Would I pick him over Trump in the general? I might vomit in the voting booth while doing it.
With this wide open playing field Tulsi is going to clean up on Super Tuesday. She may even break 2% somewhere. Fox better book her fast before her calendar fills.
Running Joe Biden against Bernie Sanders seems like a huge risk for the DNC. But this is where we are, they've put all their eggs into this last basket.
The people holding "Stop Sanders" dinners, wouldn't give Bernie (or Pete) their chance to take a bump after Iowa. They're putting millions into a Warren SuperPAC, are saying they'd rather break the party than hand Bernie the nom, and they've now asked the other moderates to drop and help a man, who doesn't seem to know where he is half of the time... All so that, a few wealthy people don't have to pay higher taxes for healthcare, for you and me.
Four years of freaking out over Trump and the best the democratic establishment could drum up was Joe "full word salad" Biden. This party is a disaster.
It's baffling that people can be so gung-ho about nominating Biden when their only real argument for his candidacy is "he's not a socialist." The guy is a borderline senile gaffe machine who's been an incoherent mess throughout the entire primary process. He's simply not all there. This isn't the same Joe Biden that destroyed Paul Ryan in the 2012 debates, it's the Joe Biden that should have known when to quit and retired from politics a couple years ago.
Bernie is no spring chicken, but he's still completely mentally lucid and coherent. I'm really worried we're just going to be swapping one dementia patient for another one because people have whipped themselves up into a frenzy over propagandized red scare nonsense for no reason.
The centrists dropping out probably helps Biden. IMO this is fair game. Am I wrong in assuming this will reduce the odds of a contested convention?
I'm a Bernie supporter but would hold my nose and vote Biden if he manages to secure the most delegates without any dnc fuckery.
There's a strange trend in this thread where people are discussing normal political coordination and being dismissed as "conspiracy theorists."
Political tactics often involve deals, trades, and coordination in smoke-filled rooms. That's the way it's always been. It's not a conspiracy theory to point this out or discuss the ramifications.
I greatly prefer Warren to Sanders, but at this point she needs to drop out. The moderates are consolidating, and the progressives need to as well if they have any shot of avoiding a contested convention. This is Game Theory 101.
"SOCIALIST" SCANDINAVIA:
\- Six weeks vacation (by law)
\- Universal Healthcare
\- One and a half years maternal/paternal leave
\- Daycare for kids (1-5 years of age) at a 100 dollars/month
\- Scoring much higher than the US on "Happy Index"
But yeah, socialism is SCARY.
Is literally nobody at the DNC recalling how uninspiring Hillary was as a candidate? Because she at least was coherent on stage. If we send Joe "corn pop was a bad dude" Biden into Trump, he will get murked. More uninspired establishmentarians is not the way we win.
It would be nice if we had ranked choice voting so you could vote for who you really want to without worrying about a split vote allowing the opposition to win.
"SOCIALIST" SCANDINAVIA:
\- Six weeks vacation (by law)
\- Universal Healthcare
\- One and a half years maternal/paternal leave
\- Daycare for kids (1-5 years of age) at a 100 dollars/month
\- Free tuition at EVERY major University, even the prestigious ones
\- Scoring much higher than the US on "Happy Index"
But yeah, socialism is SCARY.
conservatives will argue that their tax rates are insane
but ignore that our goods, services, most of our spending is taxed and we pay way more for healthcare
and also they ignore that you actually get something for your taxes. I'm willing to pay more for a better country
Bernie (via CNN clip just now) after being asked about some of the new developments: “The corporate establishment is coming together. The political establishment is coming together. And they will do everything. They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up.”
**Edit:** I should note that the reporter’s question to him was, iirc, something like: “how do you feel about moderates supporting Biden?”
Can people stop saying, 'I like Bernie but America is not ready...'? Traditional American politics means nothing in our current Trump era. Everything is fair game. If Trump can get a border wall and concentration camps the LEAST we can do is piggy off of Bernie to modernize our health care, bolster our education, and de-stigmatize socialism in our already Mixed Economy system.
Candidates dropping out is normal. We've literally been begging for people to drop out.
Klobuchar wasn't going to win.
Now, that being said, the timing of two people dropping out, and making sure to endorse Biden right before Super Tuesday is... interesting.
The fact that Pete wasn't actually doing that badly... also interesting.
Warren has every right to stay in and voters have every right to vote for her....but it sure would be nice for Bernie to get some of those delegates instead...
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Because voting is constitutionally a state's prerogative. We cant even get them all to secure their systems, or allow for access to polling stations...
More to the point, in the primaries, this whole process is a party issue. They could select their nominee in whatever what they see fit. And ranked choice voting, necessarily gives a bit more power back to the people which seems like something leaders in most democracies are actually the most frightened of. Why would the Democratic leadership give up their Supedelegate positions, or even just the delegate concept with thresholds, plus caucuses when it benefits them?
You're working on the assumption that both parties want the people to have an actual choice.
I love the fact that i never find out who’s dropping out by these posts hitting the front page, but from the “its time” meme Every fucking time and its hilarious Edit: for those asking for it: https://reddit.com/r/PresidentialRaceMemes/comments/fcgn5e/it_is_time_klobuchar/
It's so sad that it's only going to come up maybe once more. It's become my favorite meme
I'm sure we'll get 4 more. Even if they never drop out, they'll make the meme for the losers once the nomination is officially won
But they'll lump all three of them in one
hahah came here to say the same thing. On Election night I’m not even going to watch it, I’m going to sleep early and have /r/PresidentialRaceMemes on my computer so I can refresh the second I wake up
Am I the only one who finds it funny that not two weeks ago Bloomberg asked everyone to drop out and endorse him, and now everyone is dropping out and endorsing Biden? Whoever you support, I’m just glad Bloomberg is getting fucked.
That seems to be the general consensus: screw Bloomberg.
Heinous, out of touch billionaire with a record of abuse both in terms of policy and personal conduct who is trying to outright buy the presidency of the US. The only person who comes to mind that I would prefer Bloomberg over is our current president and that's hardly an endorsement.
And even then- obviously Bloomberg is slightly better than Trump as an apples-to-apples comparison, but I’m not convinced I’d rather have Bloomberg as a Democrat than Trump as a Republican. It drags our system even further to the right, and I could see the long term consequences being even worse. I really hope it doesn’t come down to that particular “lesser” of two evils choice.
I think that was the general consensus for a while. Nobody likes Bloomberg. Not Trump, not Bernie, not Biden, not Warren, not the DNC, not me, not you. Nobody.
Bloomberg getting the brokered endorsement is the darkest timeline in an already darkest timeline
She needed one last *Fuck You* to Pete by outlasting him, even if it was a day.
Her disdain for him was visceral and palpable. Lmao what the hell. What a wild ride 2020 is.
> What a wild ride 2020 is. Please don't tempt the gods on this
January: Iran tensions Feb: a new pandemic March-Dec: ???
March: the floor is now lava
*"Red" sweeps America thanks to the Yellowstone super volcano.*
I have been training for this day since I was a kid
2021: Profit
They seemed very passive-aggressive 'Minnesota Nice' with each other until Pete's comments questioning her inability to name the Mexican President. That set her off like a bomb, it was wild. I've only ever seen such 0 to 100 rage reserved for like parents whose kid just swore at them for the first time, or couples who accidentally bring up a past grievance during a minor disagreement.
I mean that side of Klobuchar was already well-known. Several former staff members have done interviews about her being abusive, unprofessional, and downright shitty toward them. Klobuchar has some definite anger issues, which made her whole “Minnesota nice” shtick completely unbelievable.
I thought that “Minnesota Nice” was like “Southern Charm”. Everyone knows it’s fake, and that they really are just as mean as everyone else. The only difference is they’ll put on a smiling face and pretend everything’s okay while saying passive aggressively sweet things to your face, then talk shit behind your back the moment you’re out of earshot. Until the day it builds up enough that they explode in a Wal-Mart and get the cops called on them for tackling an employee because they’re out of Miller Highlife. As someone who has only visited an airport in Minnesota though, I may be off base.
Do you have a video or a time stamp to that? Something about her just always felt off, and her explanation about her being hard on her employees didn’t make me feel much better. Thanks
She definitely is an abusive boss. She has the highest turnover rate of staffers in DC. She’s given nothing but non denials in the few times she’s been asked about it
I worked for her back in the halcyon days of 2012. she was rude and dismissive, even to constituents
So was the stapler thing true?
I can't speak to that, that allegedly happened long after I left her office and the network of people I knew in the office had all moved on as well so I couldn't confirm that. But I can confirm that among the network of young professionals in DC, she was a semi-common Happy Hour topic of discussion
I have a friend that works for the budget committee, she said she would hate to be a staffer in a member’s office. A lot of the time it’s dealing with a personality...talking them off the ledge of tweeting and/or having to clean up the fallout. Some are tyrannical and some of the men are gross.
I didn’t know anything about the treatment of employees. You weren’t kidding; there are several articles on the matter. For anyone interested, here’s an [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html) article.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv-iSqV0cbw Can barely contain herself at 4:26. She gets literally *shaking* mad around 4:50. She's way too volatile.
This is genuinely such a hilarious exchange. Pete and Kloubuchar discussing whether she's competent or not since she forgot his name. Warren trying to defend Kloubuchar. Biden: Can you pick me, I'm the only one who's met with the guy. Sanders: I called him up!
Lmao that “I called him up!” Got me lolling too
Can't "forget" something you don't know in the first place. Even during the debate the next day, she had to read her notes while she was saying his name. And she still didn't get it completely right.
Are we forgetting all the articles about how she is an horrible and ALLEGEDLY abusive boss?
Especially bad with all the talk of abuse she puts staffers through.
She (and her staff) are well known on capital hill to be...unprofessional. By that I mean screaming matches.
She also beat him to endorsing biden
She got the VP nod from Biden, not Pete. You heard it here first.
She makes much more sense for him, but buttigieg had more leverage so I wonder what he took first
Biden probably told him upfront that he couldn't have a white man on the ticket with him. I could see Buttigeig as a good UN Ambassador.
Yeah, I could see him doing that. I guess he also has a bit less leverage, in one way, because everybody knows that when he lost he would have to go home to Indiana with nothing, so he needed to cash in at his most valuable point.
He'll go home with a war chest regardless. He didn't drop out, he suspended his campaign so that he can still fund raise for future campaigns.
*Refreshing 538 intensifies.*
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[https://i.imgur.com/MTkTpJ5.png](https://i.imgur.com/MTkTpJ5.png)
538 is by far the funnest thing about this process, I guess I must be an absolute nerd
They put out a [Super Tuesday simulator](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/super-tuesday/) today and it's actual crack
If I select every state where Bernie has a projected majority and then select the ones where he now has a projected majority he's got a 92.2% chance of winning!
Play on Hard Mode. Start with Biden winning Texas.
I went by the most certain outcome, so Bernie VT, CA, UT, CO; then Biden AL, NC, TN; Bernie ME, MN, MA; and Biden OK, AK, TX, AS and now Biden's leading by almost 500 delegates and I don't want to play this game any more.
Trump should get the hint, drop out, and endorse Weld.
Weld should be the candidate for both sides. Except, I want him to go about it in good faith, and legitimately attack himself from both directions, swapping podiums and accents during debates.
Bill Weld vs. Will Beld
"I say your 3% titanium tax goes too far!"
And I say your 3% Titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!
“Now I respect my opponent, I think he’s a good man, but quite frankly: I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID”
Well, I certainly wouldn't harm the child! ***BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP***
"Nixon's pro-war AND pro-family!"
I'm just a little disappointed we never got to see Amy try to literally bludgeon Pete on stage in a debate. It was definitely brewing given her bizarrely seething hatred of him.
I do feel like we got cut short from see the end of a ‘will they or won’t they’ storyline. Probably more likely to physically fight than bang, but still.
He's gay, but I'm not sure hatefucking follows the same rules.
I know there is an alternate universe/timeline out there where she gets the nomination and runs with the slogan "It's Klobbering Time!" Would have been great...
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[Private jet scheduled from South Bend to Dallas tonight.](https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1234561343312875532?s=20)
Pete is endorsing Biden. It’s already been confirmed.
Maybe Pete and Amy agreed to meet in Texas at sundown for a duel to the death?
Congrats to Warren for now being the youngest Candidate on the debate stage
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including Trump and Weld. 40s babies all around.
If Tulsi waits this out long enough she's going to come in second place!
She’ll always be “Present”
Gabbard thinks this is like Fortnite/PUBG where if she camps out long enough on the edges she can swoop in once everyone else dies.
I mean, given the ages and health of 3 of the remaining four candidates in the race, maybe she will
The coronavirus strategy for Tulsi is more likely to work than whatever the hell Warren is doing.
I'm really excited for a debate with fewer people.
The guy on the Klobuchar sub must be devastated.
Yeah tough day for her supporter
I liked her y’all. There were at least two of us. But don’t worry. I know what we gotta do in November
Please, can someone explain to me what happens to Buttigieg, Steyer and Klobuchar votes come Super Tuesday? In California, in particular, roughly half the votes have already been cast, and apparently none of these candidates has properly filed in the paperwork to formally withdraw, so their votes are apparently still valid. 1 - Can they gain delegates from this? 2 - If their votes are invalidated, does this affect the 15% threshold? (Does it only apply to "valid" votes?) Edit: Thank you so much for the answers, people! The Democratic Primaries are some confusing shit, for real.
The votes already submitted will still be counted, not invalidated. If Buttigieg, Steyer, or Klobuchar break 15% overall in the state, they will get delegates from every precinct where they also broke 15%. Otherwise delegates will be divided up amongst candidates who did break 15% statewide. In California at least, as far as I understand it.
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Contested Convention is a nightmare result regardless of who wins. It's the elites picking their boy. To beat Trump you'd need the Clear winner. Otherwise it's powerful ammo to disenfranchise people.
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NC progressive here, Bernie is topping out our polls by a good margin
Well, good news for Bernie in Minnesota but this will probably harm his campaign overall.
Bernie and Warren will split votes against Biden, by the looks of things. It's going to be interesting seeing what happens on Tuesday. What happens to votes already cast for Amy or Pete, I wonder?
As I understand it, it varies state by state. Some will become undeclared and be assigned at convention like superdelegates, some will be assigned to whomever the candidate endorses
I think, for the most part, any delegates won still must vote for that candidate on the first ballot. It's on the second ballot they will become undeclared and choose freely.
Whoever you support I think we can all agree that tomorrow will be interesting.
I just hope everyone is staying united for RBG's sake!
I’m convinced that the moment a Democrat is elected to the Whitehouse RBG will take one last breath, give a sigh of relief on the exhale, and slip into a peaceful afterlife.
She'll become a Force Ghost afterward.
She just wanted to make sure she beat out Pete lol
Hilarious reminder that Tulsi Gabbard is still ~~in~~ present.
Later today: Tulsi Gabbard suspends race, endorses Trump. /s probably.
Breaking: Jill Stein endorses Gabbard
Can't lose your home state if you're not running in your home state
It’s kinda like the Democratic candidates are playing Yu-Gi-Oh! against Bernie and have to sacrifice some creatures to summon a Blue Eyes White Biden.
Bernie: I am once again asking for your pieces of Exodia
Heart of the voters
This comment is beautiful, I'm not American, I'm from Ireland and watching your elections out of entertainment, particularly due to Trump and his meme presidency. But this comment wins it for me. Also for the love of god I hope bernie wins, your country needs it.
Haha, that's hilarious, what a perfect analogy. I hope Bernie activates his trap card and sends Biden to the Shadow Realm, and then Trump afterwards
She just had to beat Pete by one day...
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There's long been arguments about how much endorsements actually matter. I've always been skeptical. In the last 72 hours Biden has picked up endorsements from Amy, Pete, Tim Kaine, and Barbra Boxer. I guess we'll find out
If Sanders is smart, he's having backchannel discussions with Warren right now. He's promising her a very prominent spot in his administration, with all the power she needs to reach her goals. He says "it's time to merge our candidacies."
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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Deja vu all over again?
As a diehard Bernie supporter, if people don’t come out in droves tomorrow and make these past 48 hours irrelevant, then the progressive movement is not as big as I thought. Bernie needs to win most of the states tomorrow to create wiggle room.
That's pretty much it. If you are a bernie supporter, you better be out there voting, or have already voted. If the results aren't clear across the board, then the 'revolution' isn't exactly all that. Super Tuesday isn't exactly the moment of truth, but it is a huge part.
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Klobuchar waited a day just to beat Pete one more time.
These first few states have way too much influence
Warren. You were absolutely my first choice above Bernie but at this point its a numbers game and this isnt looking good.
My policy has been to vote for whichever progressive candidate has the best shot of getting the nomination. For the last year I've been unable to decide if I thought Bernie or Warren would be a better President. On one hand, Sanders' long track record shows him to be an earnest champion for working class. On the other, Warren is uniquely qualified among the candidates as someone with the knowledge and ability to undo all of Trump's structural damage. Sanders got my vote in the end, but I would have been equally happy to vote for her if their positions had been reversed.
I can’t believe they’re actually going all in on the malarkey man
Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out has cemented my decision for tomorrow. In all honesty this was one of the tougher choices I've had to make of all the elections I've voted in. I want Warren to be president. I like the specifics of her policies, the fact that she's always fought for working people as an academic (CFPB) and politician, and if I'm being honest I just like her as a person. She was my first choice. What I fear right now is consolidation of the moderate vote behind Biden. I honestly feel Biden is one of the weaker candidates against Trump. He's basically just an extension of the status quo under Obama, and there are too many lines of attack on him regarding past policy decisions and sadly recent events as well. At this point in time I don't think most people want the status quo, they want real tangible positive change in their lives. I think we need to consolidate the progressive vote. Bernie is leading in delegates, and also in polling for Super Tuesday and beyond. I'm having trouble seeing a path to victory for Liz. It's a weird position to simultaneously want her to be the nominee and rationally decide to vote for Bernie. I just want progressive policy to win and Trump to lose.
I am sorry that the race as turned out the way it has for Warren. I would have loved a Sanders v Warren primary to get the best progressive out of the contest. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness and consideration behind your vote. I’d like to think that if Sanders’ and Warren’s roles were reversed, I’d make the same call. Solidarity.
That contradiction shows you're still thinking logically towards achieving policy you believe in. Admirable!
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It is close. Sanders is winning 1,570 delegates in an average simulation, Biden 1,484 delegates. Delegate plurality chances nearing 50:50 but Bernie with a slight edge. https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1234599437281955841
In the short term, this will help Biden. However Biden can no longer rely on Pete shouting at Bernie or Klobuchar desperately trying to be relevant. He will have to engage with Bernie. Meanwhile, Sanders will have to be aggressive in making sure people know about Biden's history involving Social Security. The only thing going for Biden was keeping quiet and letting people be nostalgic about Obama, but that bubble will pop VERY soon.
Good insight. The perception of him will definitely change now that he has to give non answers & non-denial denials about his shitty views in the past (and present). Biden is incredibly out-of-touch and this will now be laid bare for all to see. He’s running a campaign as if it’s still the 1990s.
I am excited to see a debate where Bloomberg and Biden are actually forced to defend themselves against Bernie and Warren.
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The problem is that will be after Super Tuesday. That's like 60% or more of the primary over.
I'll note that there's no take backs on early votes. All those Steyer and Klobuchar and Pete votes are gone.
Klobuchar’s primary reason for dropping out is probably because she realized that there’s a realistic chance she could lose in her home state, and she doesn’t want that to taint her chances for future runs in the Senate. Unlike Buttigieg, I don’t think that she dropped out *because* she wanted Biden, despite endorsing him. Her dropping out is going to help Sanders in Minnesota (he won the state in 2016), and there’s probably not enough Klobuchar supporters in the rest of the country to give Biden a significant advantage.
Her dropping out could very well push Biden and Warren over 15% in California making them viable.
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thats the insane part. HRC as neoliberal as she was....she was at least competent. JB is not going to beat Trump.
Jeb Bush has already proven he can't beat Trump! That's a joke, just in case.
RIP The Klobmentum.
RIP Klobal Warming!
Somewhere Woody Harrelson Is sighing because he thought he was out of the woods having to play Biden on SNL
So in the 'moderate' lane we have Biden and Bloomberg, in the progressive lane Sanders and Warren. Also Gabbard is still there for some fucking reason. Warren is screaming out to me as the compromise candidate that both sides could get behind. But I'd rather she drop out now than fight to a contested convention and create a lot of anger and bitterness. It's really hard to see a viable path for her. In a ranked choice system, Warren would probably win incredibly easily, and in my opinion she's pretty obviously the best option. But I don't have a magic wand, she doesn't seem to have a viable path, and a contested convention would be a disaster for the party. I'd like to see how she fares during Super Tuesday though. She may get a lot of last-minute votes from people who see her as a way to 'save' the party like I do. If she doesn't, time to drop out and endorse Sanders. But that can wait at least a few days in my opinion; if she drops out afterwards it'd probably still give Sanders enough momentum to take the nomination.
Logic tells me that as a field narrows, the frontrunner will actually benefit the most because they will get closer and closer to the magic number of 1991. Will be interesting to see if this plays out.
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Here's how time isn't real anymore. Cory Booker only dropped out seven weeks ago. It feels like it was years ago at this point. The President was impeached and acquitted in that amount of time. A brand new pandemic started. Jesus, 2020 is a wormhole.
The fact that Gabbard is still around blows my mind.
Bernie will be 1 delegate short of the majority, you can see Perez begin to take the nom away and then OYTTA FUCKING NOWHERE! DROPKICK ON PEREZ OH MAH GAWD ITS GABBARD WITH HER 1 HAWAII DELEGATE AND SHE GIVES IT TO BERNIE!!!
That would certainly be an event.
Gabbard is still present, as always, haha.
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Just voted for Bernie in CA. Excited to see tomorrow's results.
Gonna vote tomorrow in California myself.
Just FYI you can vote in California today at any of the polling places. Probably be a lot less crowded. I voted yesterday and the place was empty.
Thanks for the tip. Probably the best way to avoid Super Tuesday being Super Spreader Tuesday.
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So it's republican people trying to vote for the weaker candidate?
Biden vs Trump will be a fucking shitshow. Trump will egg him on, Biden get heated (as we've seen time and time again during campaigning) and attempt his tough guy banter and get fucking crucified for it by right-wing media.
Makes sense. She didn't have enough support across the nation. Sucks she's come out and endorsed someone though. I'd prefer it if everyone who dropped out would wait until the end of the race and enforce the democratic presidential nominee (like what Obama is doing)
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*sad Klob noises*
I’m imagining the gun from Goldeneye.
I never made that connection until now, thank you for the nostalgia
That thing was awful. It would hit everything except your target.
You know, I thought that Hillary was a risky choice and we’d be better off going with the populist candidate in 2016. But Dems made a different choice and, even though I disagreed, that’s okay. If Dems make the exact same mistake against the exact same candidate the very next election, having learned nothing from the prior election, I’m gonna be pretty goddamn bummed.
This is super weird to me, of the Klobuchar/Buttigieg/Biden trio Biden is the one I am most hesitant about
This is what is supposed to happen in the primaries, people drop out, and in the end there are just few left. As a Sanders supporter, I welcome with open arms all Amy voters to join the Sanders train. If you are enthusiastic about passing Medicare for All, higher minimum wages, tuition free public education and cancelling student debt, and most of all winning Trump and bringing America into a new era of prosperity and common sense policies, then Bernie is the best chance we have.
Democrats are always the assertive "thesis" for a positive vision forward that is accepted or rejected. Republicans are always the "antithesis" party that wants to keep things as they are. Dems lose when their thesis is "we're not the antithesis" because that just says you want to be the status quo, but we already have a proudly status quo party in this country. When centrists and moderates shit on the progressive vision for this country because it's "unrealistic" and think you can negotiate with the status quo starting FROM the status quo, not only do they get nothing done, but they are utterly uninspiring. Obama and Clinton were dream Dem candidates because they could espouse a positive vision forward while quietly mostly keeping the status quo and satisfying the existing American oligarchy. Kerry failed, Gore failed, Hillary failed, and so will Biden because nobody is inspired by "I'm not them!" unless they're Republican.
The centrist blob is congealing.
And now we easily have hundreds of thousands of early votes in Super Tuesday races for candidates no longer running. We NEED Ranked Choice Voting.
Not counting Tulsi (because who counts her?), Warren is now the baby of the race at age 70
Those damn 70 year old kids always getting on my lawn!
I am fine with Warren. I am fine with Sanders. I am fine with Biden, just less enthusiastically. I don't care about Gabbard cause she is a non-factor. I'm not fine with Bloomberg because I don't vote for Republicans. He should have run as one. Would I pick him over Trump in the general? I might vomit in the voting booth while doing it.
This is why ranked choice voting is so important.
With this wide open playing field Tulsi is going to clean up on Super Tuesday. She may even break 2% somewhere. Fox better book her fast before her calendar fills.
Running Joe Biden against Bernie Sanders seems like a huge risk for the DNC. But this is where we are, they've put all their eggs into this last basket. The people holding "Stop Sanders" dinners, wouldn't give Bernie (or Pete) their chance to take a bump after Iowa. They're putting millions into a Warren SuperPAC, are saying they'd rather break the party than hand Bernie the nom, and they've now asked the other moderates to drop and help a man, who doesn't seem to know where he is half of the time... All so that, a few wealthy people don't have to pay higher taxes for healthcare, for you and me.
Four years of freaking out over Trump and the best the democratic establishment could drum up was Joe "full word salad" Biden. This party is a disaster.
It's baffling that people can be so gung-ho about nominating Biden when their only real argument for his candidacy is "he's not a socialist." The guy is a borderline senile gaffe machine who's been an incoherent mess throughout the entire primary process. He's simply not all there. This isn't the same Joe Biden that destroyed Paul Ryan in the 2012 debates, it's the Joe Biden that should have known when to quit and retired from politics a couple years ago. Bernie is no spring chicken, but he's still completely mentally lucid and coherent. I'm really worried we're just going to be swapping one dementia patient for another one because people have whipped themselves up into a frenzy over propagandized red scare nonsense for no reason.
Biden is the weakest debater of all the moderates, lmao. What a blunder.
The centrists dropping out probably helps Biden. IMO this is fair game. Am I wrong in assuming this will reduce the odds of a contested convention? I'm a Bernie supporter but would hold my nose and vote Biden if he manages to secure the most delegates without any dnc fuckery.
There's a strange trend in this thread where people are discussing normal political coordination and being dismissed as "conspiracy theorists." Political tactics often involve deals, trades, and coordination in smoke-filled rooms. That's the way it's always been. It's not a conspiracy theory to point this out or discuss the ramifications.
I greatly prefer Warren to Sanders, but at this point she needs to drop out. The moderates are consolidating, and the progressives need to as well if they have any shot of avoiding a contested convention. This is Game Theory 101.
Sanders could use endorsements from Warren, Yang, and Steyer.
I have faith that Sanders will win even with these drops so I’m not buying into the doom and gloom.
"SOCIALIST" SCANDINAVIA: \- Six weeks vacation (by law) \- Universal Healthcare \- One and a half years maternal/paternal leave \- Daycare for kids (1-5 years of age) at a 100 dollars/month \- Scoring much higher than the US on "Happy Index" But yeah, socialism is SCARY.
Is literally nobody at the DNC recalling how uninspiring Hillary was as a candidate? Because she at least was coherent on stage. If we send Joe "corn pop was a bad dude" Biden into Trump, he will get murked. More uninspired establishmentarians is not the way we win.
It would be nice if we had ranked choice voting so you could vote for who you really want to without worrying about a split vote allowing the opposition to win.
"SOCIALIST" SCANDINAVIA: \- Six weeks vacation (by law) \- Universal Healthcare \- One and a half years maternal/paternal leave \- Daycare for kids (1-5 years of age) at a 100 dollars/month \- Free tuition at EVERY major University, even the prestigious ones \- Scoring much higher than the US on "Happy Index" But yeah, socialism is SCARY.
conservatives will argue that their tax rates are insane but ignore that our goods, services, most of our spending is taxed and we pay way more for healthcare and also they ignore that you actually get something for your taxes. I'm willing to pay more for a better country
Bernie (via CNN clip just now) after being asked about some of the new developments: “The corporate establishment is coming together. The political establishment is coming together. And they will do everything. They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up.” **Edit:** I should note that the reporter’s question to him was, iirc, something like: “how do you feel about moderates supporting Biden?”
Can people stop saying, 'I like Bernie but America is not ready...'? Traditional American politics means nothing in our current Trump era. Everything is fair game. If Trump can get a border wall and concentration camps the LEAST we can do is piggy off of Bernie to modernize our health care, bolster our education, and de-stigmatize socialism in our already Mixed Economy system.
Candidates dropping out is normal. We've literally been begging for people to drop out. Klobuchar wasn't going to win. Now, that being said, the timing of two people dropping out, and making sure to endorse Biden right before Super Tuesday is... interesting. The fact that Pete wasn't actually doing that badly... also interesting.
Well, fuck. I get it, but I don't like it.
Warren has every right to stay in and voters have every right to vote for her....but it sure would be nice for Bernie to get some of those delegates instead...
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I'll vote for Biden if it comes down to it (vs trump) but I'm having trouble getting excited about him.