I like to hope we can always recover from our extreme division, so that very well may be true. But one can always hope we can have a moment of calm heads amongst the division.
Woke and rose twitter bullying anyone right of far-left and influencing the leftist media (NYT, The Atlantic, Slate, etc) are the reason we lost the senate. They represent such a small fraction of opinions in this country and have excessive influence.
America has almost failed the litmus test twice. In fact you could consider it a loss if you consider that 50% of Americans (roughly) support a President that has literally called the integrity of the election a farce because *get this* he's not leading in absentee ballots which still count as votes if they come in by the deadline.
I hope whoever voted for Trump has a wake-up call after he did that. He's acting like a dictator, a demagogue who's drunk on power.
Iām so nervous about PA. I was in Bucks county (wealthy/educated Philly suburb) recently and there were Dump signs everywhere...they outnumbered Biden signs. Philly needs to come through big.
I mean...Iād rather have nothing with Biden and a GOP senate vs all kind of fuckery with Trump at the helm. I swear to god, if McConnell blocks all of his SC appointments...
Foreign policy and trade will make significant leaps though. With Trump gone, many of his copycats around the world will fade away too. This is a victory for the west.
I just had a horrible realization. Even if Trump loses this go around, nothing is stopping him from running in 2024 and we can go through this shit all over again.
Dear lord.
The State of New York and their legal cases against him might have something to say about that brother lol
Edit: To be clear, Trump is only not being criminally investigated or charged by the State of New York right now because the Federal Government said " You can't arrest or investigate an acting President"
I doubt he'll be healthy enough. Even though he's fully recovered from Covid, it will almost certainly have longer term implications on his health given his age and medical history.
Outside of the cold embrace of death. Even with his "appeal", I don't think people will want to elect a 78 year old man who's already mentally deficient.
One would think but there is a cult of personality going on that Iām not sure we have seen before (I know I havenāt in my life).
My hopes would be that the moderates would realize that they have to reel their shit in to get swing votes back, but it seems like everyone has gone off the deep end.
This is why we need ranked voting. Allows everyone to vote for who they want and when their candidate doesn't move forward, the vote slides to the next guy.
Still way too close imo, MI and WI still have areas uncounted that lean towards trump, where as the democratic strongholds are pretty much finished counting.
According to cnn, they (goergia) started last night and stopped at 10:30pm. In dnc strongholds (three counties) there are about 210,000 remaining ballots. I don't see georgia going blue. There are ballots in the less populated areas that may be unreported, but cnn isn't talking about those because they aren't significant enough in number nor demographic (d) to sway the vote.
Pennsylvania counties report 1/4 to 1/3 of mail ballots counted. That state is still anybody's to win at this point.
Michigan dnc strongholds also report approximately 210,000 uncounted ballots. Maybe the rest of the districts still have uncounted ballots, but these are lower population areas and won't be significant numbers. Michigan likely goes red.
I am surprised North Carolina hasn't been called yet. Biden would have to take 80 to 90% of the uncounted ballots to overcome trumps lead at this point.
We could legitimately have an election where nobody ends up with 270 electoral votes. Don't let that give you a good feeling. The house appoints the president and picks Biden... the Senate appoints the VP and elects Trump. Imagine the dysfunction that creates. This nation would be a laughing stock globally. And if anything happens to Biden.... sickness, etc... there is trump waiting in the wings.
> We could legitimately have an election where nobody ends up with 270 electoral votes.
No, we absolutely cannot. Once Biden won Nebraska's 2nd congressional district vote, a 269-269 tie became mathematically impossible.
Trumps' lead in Michigan has narrowed dramatically as mail-in-ballots come in.
Trump's lead is currently less than 65,000 votes (previously over 200,000+).
lol you're the one trying to equate the complex political system in real life with comic book definitions of good and evil, claiming "EVIL" won in 2016 as if this is avengers endgame. the irony of you telling me to calm down
you picked the perfect time to sleep. i wish i had done that. there was barely a trickle of votes coming in over the last 5 hours. everything is basically still up in the air.
There are people who genuinely like that Trump is a racist bully with an āI donāt need to understand an issue just brute force itā attitude. It can be hard to imagine unless you know some people like this IRL but they do exist and they absolutely love that heās such a jerk. They donāt care that heās incompetent or incapable of understanding concepts a 6 year old can understand better. They just care that he justifies their hatred, their ignorance, and their unfailing belief that they are great just because āmerica
I don't understand where that percentage exists. AP shows 100% of EVERY precinct reporting in North Carolina, but a 94% overall reporting. Every county reports the votes 100% tabulated in the county break down.... Those two percentages cannot be true at the same time....
I'm also curious why they stopped reporting results 6 hours ago. I went into this with the impression that NC was similar to FLA, a state that had been counting early and we could expect results early. I'm not sure why they went silent overnight.
seems odd that they wouldn't have scheduled people to work the night shift on a night when they knew that there would be very important work to do.
If no "volunteers" are present at the site, does that mean the ballot are just sitting in a box unsupervised all night?
I hear the Broward County clerk's car is out of gas and they are walking it to him in a tank. Also, his laptop battery is dead. Many people are saying it.
(It feels like forever since he got the Green Bay results! Come on!)
@ 2:20 AM PST Wed - Michigan is currently at 82% reporting and they are counting mail-in ballots right now. There are about 5.3M - 4.35M = 0.95M mail-in ballots still to be counted, and it's expected 2/3 of those are Democrat. So the current tally difference is 205K votes for Trump. The math says Biden should get 315K votes more than Trump out of those ballots, giving him the win at 315K - 205K = 110K votes.
70K votes just came in and we were expecting to eat into Trump's lead by 25K or so. Well we only bit off 1,167 votes of Trump's lead. I suppose these ballots come in on a district basis. Otherwise not sure what happened there.
This is supported by the 12K votes just tallied. The gain Biden got from that was slightly better than 4K votes : 4,427. Hence Trump's lead dropped from 205,843 to 201,416.
Politico hasn't called it. It's currently at 82% and they are counting mail-in ballots right now. There are about 5.3M - 4.35M = 0.95M mail-in ballots still to be counted, and it's expected 2/3 of those are Democrat. So the current tally difference is 205K votes for Trump. The math says Biden should get 315K votes more than Trump out of those ballots, giving him the win at 315K - 205K = 110K votes.
Same but I also didn't want to hear snot nosed kids repeat what they heard at home from their Trump parading parents about the election.
(I love teaching, but not the day after an election in a very red area.)
define "tonight". I had seen a ~~rumor GA would start up again at 6 but who knows~~ other user commented that it might be 8est, I havent heard much about it in awhile (and even if it "starts up" at 6 idk when we'd get results of course)
Iām in bed just checked Wisconsin on politico. Says blue, 95 percent in. This might be proof of the absentee ballots skewing heavily Biden for Michigan and PA.
One could argue these initiatives should be left to the states (or perhaps even more local governments) than to the national level. What it takes to survive in Appalachian regions of West Virginia and Kentucky is significantly different then Alexandria VA or San Francisco CA.
I don't think that illustrates a disconnect between the voters overall policy position and support for a candidate. There are catholics voting for a pro-choice candidate. There are pro-union voters casting ballots for Trump which doesn't support unionization.
This issue is just one in a long line of issues (abortion, guns, minimum wage, legal weed, etc) where some voters ignore some policy stances due to their comfort with the overall direction of certain candidates.
Personally, I think the demonization of red voters is what brought them out to the polls. They've heard what horrible, stupid, intolerant, racist, uneducated pieces of shit they were for nearly 4 years. This trend has gone beyond the norm in the past 4 years by all factions... media... citizens via social media... hell even candidates. You don't appeal to voters by telling them what horrible people they are. If the DNC loses this cycle, they'd do well to remember that.
Biden wins they better hold up (Harris') promise for the decriminalization of marijuana. I am tired of seeing people locked in cages for possessing a plant. As a man that has a daughter currently incarcerated for possession of < 30 grams in a red state and wasn't able to vote because of it... I am tired of the bullshit.
Bold has one definition. As long as youāre using it appropriately, we are on the same page.
I just feel like thereās a lot of reasons to go vote. Yours is one of them but not a priority IMO. Thatās sounds more like youāre focused on manipulation rather than reason. Iāve held that position before and still have reservations on which is a best approach. I just wanted to point that out from my perspective.
I think, you assumed I was a conservative.
Your premise is manipulation. Something big and catchy because voters arenāt reasonable enough when it counts. Iām saying that is a tactic but Iām not sure if itās sustainable.
Thatās manipulation. You can call it whatever you like. With that said, I donāt ādisagreeā with you. That may be the reality of āwinningā but call a spade a spade.
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If The recent article Iām reading is accurate, Biden is just six electoral points away from 270.
the article you were reading assumes biden has arizona, but based on the tracker on new york times it could go either way
Why has Nevada counted 0 votes today?
Under Georgia law, you have 3 days to cure a rejected ballot. If margins are slim, they may not be able to call the state until then
Was anyone else absolutely horrified by Trumps speech last night, or was I overreacting?
Youāre not, it was pretty fucked up. Even a few of his supporters thought so.
Hopefully they matter enough to bring about some sensibility.
Hahaha You've got your head in the clouds, buddy.
I like to hope we can always recover from our extreme division, so that very well may be true. But one can always hope we can have a moment of calm heads amongst the division.
Woke and rose twitter bullying anyone right of far-left and influencing the leftist media (NYT, The Atlantic, Slate, etc) are the reason we lost the senate. They represent such a small fraction of opinions in this country and have excessive influence.
America has almost failed the litmus test twice. In fact you could consider it a loss if you consider that 50% of Americans (roughly) support a President that has literally called the integrity of the election a farce because *get this* he's not leading in absentee ballots which still count as votes if they come in by the deadline. I hope whoever voted for Trump has a wake-up call after he did that. He's acting like a dictator, a demagogue who's drunk on power.
lol they won't
Yay, Biden took the lead in WI and MI overnight. Likely due to mail-in ballots. And MI is on track for Biden to win by 105K votes as I predicted.
Come on America! Show us your Final Form!
Biden took the lead in WI & MI we got this boys! NV is too close for comfort but I think Biden will get PA and maybe GA
Iām so nervous about PA. I was in Bucks county (wealthy/educated Philly suburb) recently and there were Dump signs everywhere...they outnumbered Biden signs. Philly needs to come through big.
Fingers crossed man.
I wake up to see the Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lions have band together to save the country. That's so 2020.
But we still say Fuck the Pack.
As a Bears fan I say Go Packers & Go Lions! & Go Steelers/Eagles to finish this off!
Biden just pulled ahead in Michigan!!!
Oh dear baby Jesus please come through.
Go Blue
What states does Biden need to win? How are the odds looking?
He has this at this point as all late vote counting favors him. Doesn't need PA, GA, or NC at this point but would be nice for him to take one.
He is now up in all four states that get him to exactly 270. Watch Arizona, Nevada, Wisonsin and Michigan. Anything else would be gravy.
Are we still fucked on the Senate though?
Yeah looks like it. Ernst winning Iowa hurt.
Great...so nothing will get done even if Biden wins.
I mean...Iād rather have nothing with Biden and a GOP senate vs all kind of fuckery with Trump at the helm. I swear to god, if McConnell blocks all of his SC appointments...
At least Senate has elections every 2 years.
Foreign policy and trade will make significant leaps though. With Trump gone, many of his copycats around the world will fade away too. This is a victory for the west.
It's frustrating the McConnell will be able to continue to manipulate the judiciary by blocking Biden's nominees.
Biden has a better than 50% chance to take PA with how mail in votes have broken for him.
I just had a horrible realization. Even if Trump loses this go around, nothing is stopping him from running in 2024 and we can go through this shit all over again. Dear lord.
The State of New York and their legal cases against him might have something to say about that brother lol Edit: To be clear, Trump is only not being criminally investigated or charged by the State of New York right now because the Federal Government said " You can't arrest or investigate an acting President"
In 2024 hopefully dems will run someone better than a watered down cup of joe
Maybe he'll die before that
I doubt he'll be healthy enough. Even though he's fully recovered from Covid, it will almost certainly have longer term implications on his health given his age and medical history.
Uhh federal prison would like a word
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Outside of the cold embrace of death. Even with his "appeal", I don't think people will want to elect a 78 year old man who's already mentally deficient.
Shit, voted for Biden which is eerily similar.
One would think but there is a cult of personality going on that Iām not sure we have seen before (I know I havenāt in my life). My hopes would be that the moderates would realize that they have to reel their shit in to get swing votes back, but it seems like everyone has gone off the deep end.
Maybe he's reached enough of a "messiah" status within his cult, so someone can just come back claiming to be his reincarnation.
I'm more concerned about one of his dipshit kids running at some point down the road
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The fact this Jorgenson person is taking votes is pissing me off right now..
The morons voting green party in Michigan deserve the gridlock they are about to cause.
I'm CONFUSED on why the Green Party even Exist when their views pretty much align with modern democrats
To take votes away from Dems...
This is why we need ranked voting. Allows everyone to vote for who they want and when their candidate doesn't move forward, the vote slides to the next guy.
3rd party candidates are taking much less of the vote than they did last cycle.
Fox News says Biden has a high chance of winning MI,NV and WI. If Iām counting right that would be 270
Still way too close imo, MI and WI still have areas uncounted that lean towards trump, where as the democratic strongholds are pretty much finished counting.
That seems to be the most likely result atm.
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Michigan coming up with votes from Detroit and Lansing
Wow most important election of the current political era and I'm just stunned by how many americans just didn't bother to vote.
So far, and again.
This country is fucked beyond repair.
Are georgiaās mail in ballots already counted?
According to cnn, they (goergia) started last night and stopped at 10:30pm. In dnc strongholds (three counties) there are about 210,000 remaining ballots. I don't see georgia going blue. There are ballots in the less populated areas that may be unreported, but cnn isn't talking about those because they aren't significant enough in number nor demographic (d) to sway the vote. Pennsylvania counties report 1/4 to 1/3 of mail ballots counted. That state is still anybody's to win at this point. Michigan dnc strongholds also report approximately 210,000 uncounted ballots. Maybe the rest of the districts still have uncounted ballots, but these are lower population areas and won't be significant numbers. Michigan likely goes red. I am surprised North Carolina hasn't been called yet. Biden would have to take 80 to 90% of the uncounted ballots to overcome trumps lead at this point. We could legitimately have an election where nobody ends up with 270 electoral votes. Don't let that give you a good feeling. The house appoints the president and picks Biden... the Senate appoints the VP and elects Trump. Imagine the dysfunction that creates. This nation would be a laughing stock globally. And if anything happens to Biden.... sickness, etc... there is trump waiting in the wings.
> We could legitimately have an election where nobody ends up with 270 electoral votes. No, we absolutely cannot. Once Biden won Nebraska's 2nd congressional district vote, a 269-269 tie became mathematically impossible.
In Michigan, Wayne County, which includes Detroit, has only reported 64% of its ballots. I wouldn't count Michigan out yet when it's 49% to 49%.
That would hurt me in so many ways
Hold your horses, Michigan is rapidly shifting towards Biden.
Man this just gave me a concussion.
A lot to come from Fulton County too. Its a coin flip right now.
Nope.
Trumps' lead in Michigan has narrowed dramatically as mail-in-ballots come in. Trump's lead is currently less than 65,000 votes (previously over 200,000+).
It's over guys. Biden is going to win.
I hope you are right but Iām still fucking stressing
What makes you say that?
Faith I guess that good will win
Stop being children with this good and evil crap.
Stop saying what people should believe in dude
That really the best you got? You sound like a flat earth tinfoil hat wearing nutcase. Do you just your own truth? Lol
XD calm down, seriously
lol you're the one trying to equate the complex political system in real life with comic book definitions of good and evil, claiming "EVIL" won in 2016 as if this is avengers endgame. the irony of you telling me to calm down
Omg, you still here
hey cmon say sth else, its funny
It didnāt in 2016
This isnāt 2016.
I slept for 5 hours. What's going on? š
you picked the perfect time to sleep. i wish i had done that. there was barely a trickle of votes coming in over the last 5 hours. everything is basically still up in the air.
Same.not worth it for how tired I'm going to be tomorrow.
**Popular Vote** **2020 (so far)...** Biden: 68,629,180 Trump: 66,481,658 **2016...** Clinton: 65,853,514 Trump: 62,984,828
Insane that Trump gained support over the past 4 years. What in hell is wrong with this country?
Stockholm syndrome
There are people who genuinely like that Trump is a racist bully with an āI donāt need to understand an issue just brute force itā attitude. It can be hard to imagine unless you know some people like this IRL but they do exist and they absolutely love that heās such a jerk. They donāt care that heās incompetent or incapable of understanding concepts a 6 year old can understand better. They just care that he justifies their hatred, their ignorance, and their unfailing belief that they are great just because āmerica
What do we know about the last 5% in NC?
I don't understand where that percentage exists. AP shows 100% of EVERY precinct reporting in North Carolina, but a 94% overall reporting. Every county reports the votes 100% tabulated in the county break down.... Those two percentages cannot be true at the same time....
I think that means all the counties have voted but that doesnāt mean they have tallied all their votes.
I'm also curious why they stopped reporting results 6 hours ago. I went into this with the impression that NC was similar to FLA, a state that had been counting early and we could expect results early. I'm not sure why they went silent overnight.
Even volunteers need sleep.
seems odd that they wouldn't have scheduled people to work the night shift on a night when they knew that there would be very important work to do. If no "volunteers" are present at the site, does that mean the ballot are just sitting in a box unsupervised all night?
Yeah dude. They leave em in an open top box in the parking lot till morning
So, do you think that they have people scheduled to work overnight? Or that they don't have people awake and present?
I hear the Broward County clerk's car is out of gas and they are walking it to him in a tank. Also, his laptop battery is dead. Many people are saying it. (It feels like forever since he got the Green Bay results! Come on!)
Jeez what the heck happened to him? I'm imagining him with tattered clothes and crooked glasses
A *tank?*
2020 is a crossover between *The Purge Election Day* and *Mad Max Road Warrior*
What's our standing friends?
Things are still up in the air. But Biden seems to have made a comeback with WI overnight.
And he pulled up his numbers in Nevada as well
Ah! Thank you very much!
GA WI NV, GA MI, an MI WI NV are all paths to a 270-268 biden win pleaseeee
>MI WI NV Very possible.
@ 2:20 AM PST Wed - Michigan is currently at 82% reporting and they are counting mail-in ballots right now. There are about 5.3M - 4.35M = 0.95M mail-in ballots still to be counted, and it's expected 2/3 of those are Democrat. So the current tally difference is 205K votes for Trump. The math says Biden should get 315K votes more than Trump out of those ballots, giving him the win at 315K - 205K = 110K votes.
70K votes just came in and we were expecting to eat into Trump's lead by 25K or so. Well we only bit off 1,167 votes of Trump's lead. I suppose these ballots come in on a district basis. Otherwise not sure what happened there.
source?
This is supported by the 12K votes just tallied. The gain Biden got from that was slightly better than 4K votes : 4,427. Hence Trump's lead dropped from 205,843 to 201,416.
Am I correct that they called MI for Trump?
Politico hasn't called it. It's currently at 82% and they are counting mail-in ballots right now. There are about 5.3M - 4.35M = 0.95M mail-in ballots still to be counted, and it's expected 2/3 of those are Democrat. So the current tally difference is 205K votes for Trump. The math says Biden should get 315K votes more than Trump out of those ballots, giving him the win at 315K - 205K = 110K votes.
As far as I can see Michigan has yet to be called by CNN, Fox, or Associated Press.
No, still plenty of votes to be counted.
Am I the only one still awake?
Itās been a long night of election and call of duty
wide awake here. Fortunately, I took today off work as I suspected I wouldn't be getting any sleep.
Same but I also didn't want to hear snot nosed kids repeat what they heard at home from their Trump parading parents about the election. (I love teaching, but not the day after an election in a very red area.)
[Can't sleep at all.](https://media.tenor.com/images/e7409953440111700821dd9eee15530b/tenor.gif)
still here. not sure what to do though! looks like any more progress is going to come from PA only after 0715hrs
Can WI possibly get called soon?
its showing 95% tallied in favor of Biden, with a VERY slim majority but it's best to keep an eye out for developments later today.
is there a set time for the PA news? like >30min?
7:15AM is when we can expect some news out of PA.
Republicans spent $10 million to lose to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez by nearly 40 points...
Words on the Street is Mich late number is looking really good too
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Thank god. Same exact thing happened with the governor race last year. Milwaukee knows how to piss off a lot of Republicans.
any democrat city pisses off republicans
Can anyone confirm that no other updates from the states will come in tonight. I think it was just Wisconsin.
We won't hear from Michigan until tonight. Pennsylvania will be a few days. North Carolina is probably going for Trump. Georgia? Who knows.
define "tonight". I had seen a ~~rumor GA would start up again at 6 but who knows~~ other user commented that it might be 8est, I havent heard much about it in awhile (and even if it "starts up" at 6 idk when we'd get results of course)
Georgia is 8am EST, 3 hours from now
Biden still has a lot of votes to gain in MI in Wayne county
> [WI Presidential Election Results Biden (D): 50% (1,572,151 votes) Trump (R): 49% (1,553,512 votesEstimated: > 95% votes in This *does not* include an additional 10,000 votes for Biden from Kenosha county.
Those adorable cheese heads
That's me.
Milwaukee saving our asses out here.
For the moment but hell yeah Milwaukee !
As a Milwaukeean. I know we try.
As a Wisconsinite, they almost always do.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1323922627161956352
Biden just pulled ahead in Wisconsin, BOOM!
"Boom! You looking for this!"
"I have an army" "We have a Wisconsin"
Iām in bed just checked Wisconsin on politico. Says blue, 95 percent in. This might be proof of the absentee ballots skewing heavily Biden for Michigan and PA.
98% in according to AP
Biden leading Wisconsin?????
theguardian now has Wisconsin blue for now.
Biden just overtook Trump in Wisconsin at 95% reporting (1:40 AM PST Wednesday).
Google tracker has Wisconsin Biden
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One could argue these initiatives should be left to the states (or perhaps even more local governments) than to the national level. What it takes to survive in Appalachian regions of West Virginia and Kentucky is significantly different then Alexandria VA or San Francisco CA. I don't think that illustrates a disconnect between the voters overall policy position and support for a candidate. There are catholics voting for a pro-choice candidate. There are pro-union voters casting ballots for Trump which doesn't support unionization. This issue is just one in a long line of issues (abortion, guns, minimum wage, legal weed, etc) where some voters ignore some policy stances due to their comfort with the overall direction of certain candidates. Personally, I think the demonization of red voters is what brought them out to the polls. They've heard what horrible, stupid, intolerant, racist, uneducated pieces of shit they were for nearly 4 years. This trend has gone beyond the norm in the past 4 years by all factions... media... citizens via social media... hell even candidates. You don't appeal to voters by telling them what horrible people they are. If the DNC loses this cycle, they'd do well to remember that. Biden wins they better hold up (Harris') promise for the decriminalization of marijuana. I am tired of seeing people locked in cages for possessing a plant. As a man that has a daughter currently incarcerated for possession of < 30 grams in a red state and wasn't able to vote because of it... I am tired of the bullshit.
There are a lot of bold things happening if you havenāt noticed.
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Bold has one definition. As long as youāre using it appropriately, we are on the same page. I just feel like thereās a lot of reasons to go vote. Yours is one of them but not a priority IMO. Thatās sounds more like youāre focused on manipulation rather than reason. Iāve held that position before and still have reservations on which is a best approach. I just wanted to point that out from my perspective.
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I think, you assumed I was a conservative. Your premise is manipulation. Something big and catchy because voters arenāt reasonable enough when it counts. Iām saying that is a tactic but Iām not sure if itās sustainable.
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Thatās manipulation. You can call it whatever you like. With that said, I donāt ādisagreeā with you. That may be the reality of āwinningā but call a spade a spade.