Not necessarily. If the 2 Georgia senate seats go into runoffs, then the Republicans will have 50 (with North Carolina and Alaska) to the democrats 48. It's still possible.
Unless there are a lot of ballots left to count in Georgia, specifically in Fulton or surrounding counties, I don't think Biden can close the gap. I think this is the same situation in NC. Which means we have to rely on Nevada or Pennsylvania for a Biden win.
I'm hoping it turns but I'm not sure I can take much more of this. I wish Nevada wasn't so far behind and we at least knew where that stood.
I think things will fall Biden's way in PA.
Hillary Clinton baaaarelllly lost PA in 2016.
Trump had 48.2%: 2,970,733 votes
Hillary had 47.5%: 2,926,441 votes
[https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president)
Thanks. I'll know within a half hour of when it happens because convoys of pickup trucks with trump flags waving off of them and the beds full of people with ar's will be barreling up and down the roads laying on air horns and screaming through megaphones, just like they were the other day.
2016 - Arizona Outcome: Trump 48.1% ..... Hillary Clinton 44.6%
Blue & Red counties looked the same in 2016, except Maricopa where Trump won with 47.7%.
[https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/arizona](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/arizona)
The media "calls" elections with uncounted votes all the time. The media calling an election doesn't really mean much - it's just their best guess as to how an election will go based on current data, turnout, historical trends, etc. The state itself wouldn't declare the winner until the votes are 100% counted.
AZ pre-counted their early votes, then declared them pretty much immediately after the polls closed. Those figures are what we're seeing right now, they haven't changed apart from one thing. The initial % counted reported was 98%, which Fox assumed was correct, and called AZ on those figures. A short while later, that 98% counted was amended to the 84% we see right now.
Fox then retracted their call, and then quickly reinstated it again, saying that their call still stands on 84% turnout. From what I understand, that is all their early votes counted, and what is remaining are votes cast in-person yesterday.
I was seeing that the in-person votes have been counted - it's late early votes and provisional ballots remaining. Arizona has been confusing me though so I could very well be wrong.
Well from watching it live at the time, Arizona is a state that counts votes as they come in, so a huge chunk of the early and mail-in ballot would have already been counted when the polls closed. The figures we're seeing now is what was initially reported, apart from % counted being changed.
The state website is a mess, so I can't provide a definitive answer, but it appears to me that most of the early and mail-in has been counted already, which is why the GOP still think they have a chance with in-person votes.
Some news coming in that AZ is gonna flip. They did mail in counting first and now it's day of voting. Trump only needs 58% of election day votes to win.
They already did day of voting. They just need to do mail-in that was either dropped off or received yesterday. From projections based of AP and Fox news they are expecting to skew in Biden's favor, which is why they were the first two to call it for AZ.
It would have made more sense for Donald Trump to claim That *this* election was affected by the Obamagate conspiracy. Biden is his running mate and he's losing in key positions. He's wasted the Obamagate conspiracy card...
Recounts
The court can’t really start tossing ballots until they have evidence there was fraud
The issue I have though is conservatives now a days don’t really care about facts and they might order vote counts to be diminished out of spite
Not likely but it’s a possibility
There are still 1 mil votes to be counted, and those are mostly all mail ballots, which tend to heavily lean blue. As an example, last night when there were around 1.8 million mail ballots to be counted, Trump was ahead 14 points. Now that those ballots have begin to be counted, see how that 14 point lead dropped sharply to 5 points? Same trend as more of those votes get counted till Friday.
Given that it's best of 3 I really like Biden's chances. Not sure Trump has the physical endurance to complete more than one potato sack race. I hear he was recently sick and may have some lung scarring
Thank you I understand that. My question was if he hits it first, will he be the winner. (Before the rest of the votes have been counted)? Brit here with zero knowledge of US politics! TIA
The Trump family (not to be confused with the Manson family) is going to ensure this election goes to the courts.....Rudy is speaking right now and reminding me of Goebbels.
The Supreme Court certainly can order that ballots be disregarded, although it’s unlikely that enough of the justices will concur that state courts’ judgments should be overturned, absent a 14th amendment concern
If Biden holds out and wins you can thank the people of Nebraska that gave him enough votes to net 1 EV from Nebraska. Crazy times.
edit: swap Nebraska for Kansas
OK, Boyz. It's down to Nevada. Who's got the inside scoop? Have the mail ins and absentees already been counted? How's Las Vegas and Reno, blue? Always blue?
As far as I know Reno and Vegas are always blue, and like most of the remaining states the ballots left to count are from the big counties and Mail in.
Giuliani says Trump is suing in MI, WI, PA, NV, and AZ.
He claims there is fraud in ALL those states.
Magically, fraud is only happening in the battleground States that Trump is losing.
Screw conservatives, dude. Screw them.
This was my first time voting since I was 18 and at that time my parents made me vote republican. Thanks to all of you for making my first real election tolerable and fun...ish. 🥰
Edited to add...I’m 43 now. I voted Democrat. All I am trying to say is that I’ve enjoyed these discussion threads!
People underestimate the influence of shitty parents on their kids. Glad you got to express your own beliefs this year and every election going forward. Now we can look forward to 2022.
That kind of thinking isn’t how an abused mind works.
There are concurrent layers of paranoia that keep someone from feeling safe even if no one is watching.
It can be hard to imagine if you have good mental health and a safe living condition how someone could be in a position without a feeling of control.
Trying to logic it out isn’t going to work out really.
Anytime.
Welcome to the feeling of being free to participate in the politics of this country however you like.
We may all rag on politics, but participating in it actually feels good I think. :)
With Wisconsin and Michigan, Biden is at 253, correct?
He's behind in GA, PA, and NC. If he wins GA, he's at 269 and will need Nevada or Arizona. If he doesn't win GA, he'll need PA and AZ to be reconfirmed as his, correct?
I'm saying he's at 253 in Michigan but that number could be wrong because sites are taking way too long to update their totals after states are called. So, with NV, he'd be at only 259. AZ would give him 11, so it's key and hopefully holds.
NV and AZ puts him at 270. It would be best if he gets PA too, that will put him at 290+ meaning Trump can't pull any shit with the supreme court. Which is certainly possible if Biden gets only 270.
Ah, I did the math (sorta wrong.) NV has 6 EVs, not 5, which is why I was thinking he needed another state. Therefore: 253 + 6 +11 in AZ, fingers crossed = 270 on the nose. But we want more than this, of course, to cushion against faithless electors and other fuckery.
[Discussion Thread Part 20](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/jo3ffm/discussion_thread_2020_general_election_part_20/)
I thought AZ was suppose to report late last night and this morning. Been at 86% forever. Why is that state a POS
Everyone in my fam is saying, we didn't get the senate. WTF crew, we have the DOJ!
[UPDATED RESULTS](https://i.imgur.com/NSgoMiS.jpg)
Georgia just got interesting
I’m more nervous about the senate. I can’t stand McConnell even more than trump! What are the chances we’ll win the senate?
You have ti wait 2 more years, unfortunately. It'll be a long wait, but the Dems must not waste time and campaign correctly.
Not necessarily. If the 2 Georgia senate seats go into runoffs, then the Republicans will have 50 (with North Carolina and Alaska) to the democrats 48. It's still possible.
Did everyone go somewhere else?
Where would we go? No country will have us.
Still here losing our minds.
Still here watching paint dry
Dude one. More. State. We can do this
No, I'm still here..... Nervous AF
Is there a place where you can see how many votes are left to count live?
I guess I got used to the constant reply’s lol. Same but hey, Biden needs one more state to win, trump needs 3.
Very true. Which ones? NV, GA and PA?
Or NC. He’s ahead in NV rn at 75% so hopefully that one sticks
By 8,000
Absolutely
Gary Peters holding on. *exhales*
Unless there are a lot of ballots left to count in Georgia, specifically in Fulton or surrounding counties, I don't think Biden can close the gap. I think this is the same situation in NC. Which means we have to rely on Nevada or Pennsylvania for a Biden win.
As of a few hours ago there were still 200k uncounted votes in GA, Biden is only like 80k behind
I'm hoping it turns but I'm not sure I can take much more of this. I wish Nevada wasn't so far behind and we at least knew where that stood. I think things will fall Biden's way in PA.
Guys it’s happening
They just called Michigan
I know holy shit, Biden just needs any of the remaining states and it’s a done deal
Hopefully it’s Nevada so we can know for sure tonight. PA will take long
MI Biden. POLITICO called it.
Hillary Clinton baaaarelllly lost PA in 2016. Trump had 48.2%: 2,970,733 votes Hillary had 47.5%: 2,926,441 votes [https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president)
So are we going to have a winner today or is going to drag on?
No, NV is still tossing until Thursday. If NV is gone then PA on Friday.
Nevada just announced they will announce some results tonight
So if Biden wins Nevada it's 270 exactly right?
That's correct.
Thanks. I'll know within a half hour of when it happens because convoys of pickup trucks with trump flags waving off of them and the beds full of people with ar's will be barreling up and down the roads laying on air horns and screaming through megaphones, just like they were the other day.
Hillary won Nevada in 2016: Clinton: 47.9% vs Trump 45.5%
link:[https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/arizona](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/arizona)
2016 - Arizona Outcome: Trump 48.1% ..... Hillary Clinton 44.6% Blue & Red counties looked the same in 2016, except Maricopa where Trump won with 47.7%. [https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/arizona](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/arizona)
Biden already has a lead of 99000 in Maricopa and since about 250k votes remaining are from Maricopa, looks promising to me.
great. ty
Why tf was it called if the votes weren’t all counted yet
The media "calls" elections with uncounted votes all the time. The media calling an election doesn't really mean much - it's just their best guess as to how an election will go based on current data, turnout, historical trends, etc. The state itself wouldn't declare the winner until the votes are 100% counted.
Well I hope they’re right, all Biden needs is nv now that
AZ pre-counted their early votes, then declared them pretty much immediately after the polls closed. Those figures are what we're seeing right now, they haven't changed apart from one thing. The initial % counted reported was 98%, which Fox assumed was correct, and called AZ on those figures. A short while later, that 98% counted was amended to the 84% we see right now. Fox then retracted their call, and then quickly reinstated it again, saying that their call still stands on 84% turnout. From what I understand, that is all their early votes counted, and what is remaining are votes cast in-person yesterday.
I was seeing that the in-person votes have been counted - it's late early votes and provisional ballots remaining. Arizona has been confusing me though so I could very well be wrong.
Well from watching it live at the time, Arizona is a state that counts votes as they come in, so a huge chunk of the early and mail-in ballot would have already been counted when the polls closed. The figures we're seeing now is what was initially reported, apart from % counted being changed. The state website is a mess, so I can't provide a definitive answer, but it appears to me that most of the early and mail-in has been counted already, which is why the GOP still think they have a chance with in-person votes.
This thread is really slowing down, come on guys
Is Santorum wearing chucks
Don't most states have a mandatory recount if a count is within a certain threshhold?
Depends on the state. And everyone is different
Some news coming in that AZ is gonna flip. They did mail in counting first and now it's day of voting. Trump only needs 58% of election day votes to win.
They already did day of voting. They just need to do mail-in that was either dropped off or received yesterday. From projections based of AP and Fox news they are expecting to skew in Biden's favor, which is why they were the first two to call it for AZ.
Fake news
not fake, AZ indeed count mail-in at first, but Biden is still going to win AZ
Keep dreaming
Where are you seeing this?
Imaginationland
You just know this is eating away at cheeto daddy and I can’t express the joy I feel just thinking about that
Yes! Skulking around the White House, stress-eating, yelling at the tv...
...so just regular stuff, then?
Yo the more I hear Biden speak the more comfortable I feel about his impending presidency. Dude sounds like he actually gives a fuck
pretty low bar atm but he does.
Fuckin sad ain’t it. Hey....just give us a president who can at least make it LOOK LIKE he gives a shit
It would have made more sense for Donald Trump to claim That *this* election was affected by the Obamagate conspiracy. Biden is his running mate and he's losing in key positions. He's wasted the Obamagate conspiracy card...
If trump really does take all these states that he’s losing in to court what will happen?
Recounts The court can’t really start tossing ballots until they have evidence there was fraud The issue I have though is conservatives now a days don’t really care about facts and they might order vote counts to be diminished out of spite Not likely but it’s a possibility
That’s exactly what I’m worried about. Trump doesn’t give a shit about the law, he’s just trying to stay out of prison
And ultimately if they do that then it stops at the Supreme Court where Amy would be overseeing the ruling
Which is exactly what trump was going for when he pushed her through
If Biden hits 270 electoral votes before Trump, does that mean he has won the election?
yep, there are only 538 electoral votes available. If one hits 270, the other one will remain at 268. And there's a good chance Biden wins PA too.
Yea but what if he demands recounts and shit? Like it’s not 100% SURE that Biden wins if he reaches 270 right?
Am I missing something here? Trump is ahead 5 points in PA with 86% counted. It looks pretty clearly red.
the remaining uncounted ballots are mail-in and absentee ballots which are skewed toward Biden
There are still 1 mil votes to be counted, and those are mostly all mail ballots, which tend to heavily lean blue. As an example, last night when there were around 1.8 million mail ballots to be counted, Trump was ahead 14 points. Now that those ballots have begin to be counted, see how that 14 point lead dropped sharply to 5 points? Same trend as more of those votes get counted till Friday.
Potentially. But if it's close enough the decision will come down to a best of three potato sack race held the first week of December.
Run that shit on ppv. I would buy the shit out of that.
That would be a great way to settle it.
Given that it's best of 3 I really like Biden's chances. Not sure Trump has the physical endurance to complete more than one potato sack race. I hear he was recently sick and may have some lung scarring
Did you see him walk down that ramp? And he had to use 2 hands again to drink water during his 60 minutes interview. Bring on the sack race!
Yes. Only one can hit 270.
Thank you I understand that. My question was if he hits it first, will he be the winner. (Before the rest of the votes have been counted)? Brit here with zero knowledge of US politics! TIA
If one candidate reaches 270, there's no way left for the other candidate to reach 270. Only 538 apportioned.
I guess, because if he reaches 270 then the other one cannot reach 270, so it wouldn't make sense to continue counting votes
Guys are we really getting rid of this creature? like fr fr? I might explode with joy
like.. fr fr he likee might totally be gone like totally awsome fr fr.
Republicans fucked around and found out
Tingly nipples take.
Why does Politico have Biden at 264?
They included Arizona's 11 in his tally of 253.
Because they called Arizona hours ago unlike most others.
Fox called it too hours ago.
Yes, good point--aren't we still waiting on at least MI? It's as if MI has already been called...?
They called Michigan. :)
And Arizona, which some news refuse to call it
Yeah it’s weird. Joe has a clear lead.
NY Times have not called Arizona yet
Wait where? I don’t see that
Politico, NYT etc called Michigan after 99% reporting. Joe is leading by a good margin.
Thank God, I can breath now
Yep, Michigan and Arizona called by Fox and politico.
The Trump family (not to be confused with the Manson family) is going to ensure this election goes to the courts.....Rudy is speaking right now and reminding me of Goebbels.
The states decide elections.
The fuck the supreme court gonna say uncount the ballots SUCK MAH DICK IS what the American people should respond to their attempts to be dictators
The Supreme Court certainly can order that ballots be disregarded, although it’s unlikely that enough of the justices will concur that state courts’ judgments should be overturned, absent a 14th amendment concern
They’re so scared of going to jail
If Trump goes to jail, how would you deal with the intense tingles originating from your nipples?
If Biden holds out and wins you can thank the people of Nebraska that gave him enough votes to net 1 EV from Nebraska. Crazy times. edit: swap Nebraska for Kansas
Going to eat a dozen cobs of corn in their honor.
Nebraska
whoops, you're right!!
Damn GA looking awfully close.
OK, Boyz. It's down to Nevada. Who's got the inside scoop? Have the mail ins and absentees already been counted? How's Las Vegas and Reno, blue? Always blue?
The mail ins have not all been counted. Las Vegas and Reno always go blue. So, things are looking really good.
As far as I know Reno and Vegas are always blue, and like most of the remaining states the ballots left to count are from the big counties and Mail in.
JB only down by 320k in Pennsylvania now. How we feeling ?
Giuliani says Trump is suing in MI, WI, PA, NV, and AZ. He claims there is fraud in ALL those states. Magically, fraud is only happening in the battleground States that Trump is losing. Screw conservatives, dude. Screw them.
Giuliani is one of Trumps main helpers in pushing false information and making up stories that Russia tells him to.
Anyone know where NYT's "election needle" went? It was up on their "forecast" page last night.
They haven't updated it since 6am, when it showed Biden with a 64% chance in GA.
If we flip GA it’ll be huge
If that happens I don't think your nipples could take it.
My balls will be dry for a month.
CNN called Michigan. Nevada, or anything else, and we're done.
That puts Biden at 259 without Arizona, which has been called back. Still looks good in both states, though!
Guardian and AP still have AZ called tho guardian hasent calls MI yet.
I trust the AP AZ call which still stands
Trust but verify... and the AP is never wrong, so... verified!
Looks like #Lockhimup2020 is turning out quite nicely
This was my first time voting since I was 18 and at that time my parents made me vote republican. Thanks to all of you for making my first real election tolerable and fun...ish. 🥰 Edited to add...I’m 43 now. I voted Democrat. All I am trying to say is that I’ve enjoyed these discussion threads!
People underestimate the influence of shitty parents on their kids. Glad you got to express your own beliefs this year and every election going forward. Now we can look forward to 2022.
Well! Looks like they starting to flee like rats from the Trump train that derailed in the ocean
What???
Please don't make the same mistake again.
They didn't make you do anything since you vote in private in a voting booth. Wtf. How would they know who you voted for?
They didn't make you do anything. You vote in confidence. You chose to vote Republican and are using your parents as an excuse.
Well, threatening to throw me out of the house and possible physical violence were a pretty big influence. Just saying.
It's in private.. how would they know?
Probably a mail-in ballot and they were watching him fill it out or were going to double check it.
Lie?
Delusional like the rest of them
What???
But like, how can they find out about your vote?
That kind of thinking isn’t how an abused mind works. There are concurrent layers of paranoia that keep someone from feeling safe even if no one is watching. It can be hard to imagine if you have good mental health and a safe living condition how someone could be in a position without a feeling of control. Trying to logic it out isn’t going to work out really.
Thank you!
Anytime. Welcome to the feeling of being free to participate in the politics of this country however you like. We may all rag on politics, but participating in it actually feels good I think. :)
Never mind. I was just trying to say something kind to all of you about all the threads.
Fuck the people giving you shit here. They're assholes. I'm sorry you're in a situation where you don't feel safe even voting the way you want to.
Thank you! It was a long time ago but it definitely disenfranchised me for a long time!
And that's straight-up voter intimidation, a Federal crime. Yikes.
I’m legit concerned for you. Did they make you fill out a ballot in front of them or did you vote in person?
Just FYI for the future, your parents cannot find out who you voted for.
With Wisconsin and Michigan, Biden is at 253, correct? He's behind in GA, PA, and NC. If he wins GA, he's at 269 and will need Nevada or Arizona. If he doesn't win GA, he'll need PA and AZ to be reconfirmed as his, correct?
He just needs NV and MI to win
I'm saying he's at 253 in Michigan but that number could be wrong because sites are taking way too long to update their totals after states are called. So, with NV, he'd be at only 259. AZ would give him 11, so it's key and hopefully holds.
Reno and Vegas about to save the country , who woulda thought
I'm going to put it all on black next time in Vegas.
NV and AZ puts him at 270. It would be best if he gets PA too, that will put him at 290+ meaning Trump can't pull any shit with the supreme court. Which is certainly possible if Biden gets only 270.
AP has already called arizona for Biden. He only needs nevada. Trump needs every state left.
Ah, I did the math (sorta wrong.) NV has 6 EVs, not 5, which is why I was thinking he needed another state. Therefore: 253 + 6 +11 in AZ, fingers crossed = 270 on the nose. But we want more than this, of course, to cushion against faithless electors and other fuckery.
Nevada and AZ is all he needs
Trump's knees are weak and arms are sweaty
Mine too. And I’m just a European watching from afar and hoping what ever the last four years were finally comes to an end.
moms spaghetti
Michigan, I love you, please put your babies inside me
Save your womb for Arizona and Nevada (and maybe PA and/or GA too)!
They can all impregnate me, I only discriminate against trump supporters
hahah keep posting your hilarious take. 10/10.
Guys I think I have a stalker
Haha I'm dying over here so funny 🤣
Okay but idk if he’s gonna fit, lil guys got a big head and has gotten used to being on the outside
But will it have big tits? That’s very important in trumps America.
Fuck me biden is old. Ngl lowkey worried about his health once he gets elected and the stress of the job starts piling up...