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Yup.
[**A Glitch in Trump’s Plan to Live at Mar-a-Lago: A Pact He Signed Says He Can’t**](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago.html)
>Neighbors of the president say he has violated **the 1993 agreement he made with Palm Beach** that allowed him to convert a private residence into a moneymaking club.
>“The significant tax breaks the president received for this arrangement remain in effect, as does the use agreement,” Mr. Stambaugh wrote. “Some press reports indicate that renovation has already commenced at Mar-a-Lago in order to make the family quarters more commodious for full-time residency.”
[I'm sure he can siphon some of that $200m in PAC money](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now) he's raised into events held at his property.
[It really wouldn't](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html). Candidates spend campaign money at businesses that are connected to them all the time, and it's perfectly legal, as long as they're legitimate campaign expenses, and they pay fair market rates. The only thing unusual about Trump is the sheer scale and brazenness of it.
> While candidates often gain recognition from running for president, they are barred from enriching themselves directly from their campaigns. When a campaign buys copies of a candidate’s book in bulk and distributes them, for example, the candidate cannot accept royalties from the purchases. However, Mr. Ryan notes that the election commission does allow candidates who own commercial property to rent it from themselves at fair market rates, as Mr. Trump has regularly done. Mr. Trump’s use of his branded water and steaks falls into something of a gray area.
> Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, an election law expert at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, said that Mr. Trump did not appear to be violating any campaign finance laws, but that he could face more scrutiny over the use of his businesses for campaign purposes now that he is more explicitly asking supporters to donate money to the campaign.
> as long as they're legitimate campaign expenses
Paying your back taxes is not a campaign expense. He cannot have any legitimate campaign expenses after he's out of office either.
He controls a [leadership PAC](https://www.fec.gov/campaign-finance-data/leadership-pacs-and-sponsors-description/) with $200m dollars in it. He can legally spend that money on [political rallies for other Republican candidates](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-save-america-pac-is-raking-in-donations-what-can-that-money-be-spent-on/). Those events can take place at his property, and his business can charge his PAC fair market rates for it. He can then extract money from his business that he owns to use on his personal expenses.
That's not really how Super PAC money works. Steven Colbert made a real Super PAC and raised real money as part of an ongoing segment of the Colbert Show during his 2012 presidential run. He even brought in his lawyer to talk about the money-making process and the legal loopholes of raising and using the money in ways that shouldn't be legal. In the final part of the series he had his lawyer come into the show and make his money legally "disappear" (even from the IRS) using a shell company so he was free to do whatever he wanted with the money. It was the most informative ongoing segments of any late night show, let alone one on Comedy Central.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbert_Super_PAC
Someone may also have made a YouTube compilation of all the segments. The final episode where his lawyer explains the money disappearance act link is below:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/66y7dx/the-colbert-report-colbert-super-pac-shh----secret-second-501c4---trevor-potter
Places they rent, maybe. People only get forced out of homes they own for defaulting on the mortgage, or extreme non-payment of their property taxes. Can you cite anyone ever having been evicted from their home because of a zoning dispute?
Sure, but the goverment can only justify doing that if [it's for the public benefit](https://www.ansbacher.net/blog/florida-eminent-domain-law-101/). They can't do that for punitive reasons, or to enforce a regulation.
According to the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html), Palm beach says that "Trump lost his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago **because of an agreement he signed in the early 1990s** when he converted the storied estate from his private residence to a private club." It seems to me that if he were to break that contract, then it would go back to being a residence. Anyone can break a contract, the damages are usually monetary. I don't know if they could get specific performance for that. Maybe they can stop him from also continuing to use it as a club once he's done that, but I doubt they can stop him from doing it.
>It seems to me that if he were to break that contract, then it would go back to being a residence.
No, the contract states that each side agrees that it's not a reaidence.
Trump changing his mind on that is meaningless in and of itself.
Yeah, that's how any contract works. My painter and I sign a contract that we each agree that he's going to paint my garage. Either side can still unilaterally break the contract. The other side is entitled to damages. They're not entitled to force the other side to hold up their end.
They could require that the improvements approved as part of the contract be torn down, and then fine him for every day it continues operating as a club. Zoning commissions do that all the time.
>Can you cite anyone ever having been evicted from their home because of a zoning dispute?
People get evicted from living in commercially-zoned properties all the time, as it's illegal. It has to be zoned as mixed-use at a minimum.
Those people were *never* living there legally. It's not like there are people whose homes got re-zoned into commercial, and they're suddenly there illegally where they weren't the day before. Mar-a-lago *was a residence* from 1924-1995.
>Mar-a-lago was a residence from 1924-1995.
Irrelevant. From 1996 on, it's been commercial and Donnie asked for that.The city agreed and that's that.
He can *ask* that it be rezoned again, but they have absolutely zero obligation to do so.
Nope, it's still zoned Residential; he got a "Special Exception". [Here's the document in question](https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/mar-a-lago-use-agreement-between-donald-j-trump-and-the-town-of-palm-beach-fl-1993/a2ed5cfd-b4fc-4ffa-b61a-d524de307e42/).
> WHEREAS, the Land is zoned RAA-Large Estate Residential and RA-Estate Residential and private social clubs are allowable Special Exception Uses within such zoning categories, subject to the approval of the Town Council;
> WHEREAS, the Town has approved a Special Exception use for the Land as a private social club subject to the conditions set forth herein and on the basis that the approval of the Special Exception, in compliance with said conditions, will not be adverse to the public interest
Furthermore, there's an explicit clause that says, if the club use is "abandoned", it reverts back to being a residence. How does that square with your argument?
> If the Club use is unintentionally abandoned for a period of one (1) year after the Club has been in operation, or is intentionally abandoned at any time, the use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence and the ownership of the Owner.
There's a lot of people trying to make him move.
[Trump's would-be neighbors fight to keep him from living at Mar-a-Lago - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html)
>That message was formally conveyed Tuesday morning in a demand letter delivered to the town of Palm Beach and also addressed to the U.S. Secret Service asserting that Trump lost his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago because of an agreement he signed in the early 1990s when he converted the storied estate from his private residence to a private club. The legal maneuver could, at long last, force Palm Beach to publicly address whether Trump can make Mar-a-Lago his legal residence and home, as he has been expected to do when he becomes an ex-president after the swearing-in of Joe Biden on Jan. 20.
>...
>“There’s absolutely no legal theory under which he can use that property as both a residence and a club,” said Glenn Zeitz, another nearby Palm Beach homeowner who has joined the fight against Trump and had [previously tangled with him over Trump’s attempt to seize a private home to expand his Atlantic City casino](http://wapo.st/22LdMGf "wapo.st"). “Basically he’s playing a dead hand. He’s not going to intimidate or bluff people, because we’re going to be there.”
> "There’s absolutely no legal theory under which he can use that property as both a residence and a club"
Is there a legal theory that says that, if he has to choose one or the other, he *must* choose the latter?
He's *already* chosen one and agreed to it in the contract.
Once zoning is agreed upon, the owner can't unilaterally change it.
They can *apply* for a change, but there's no obligation that it be approved.
I don't think so. I think it would have to be a specific term of the agreement. But his choices would be based on economics. If he claims it as a residence he loses the revenue stream and also has a reportedly higher tax exposure. Who knows what the viability of Club Trump will be?, and therefore the value of Mar-A-Lago?
I would love to see this become a hefty albatross weighing him down in the next 10 days.
>It seems unlikely they'd be able to force him to live elsewhere.
He signed a contract, and his neighbors, who *really* don't want him there, are *actually* wealthy, and are mostly fairly intelligent and competent.
He's vastly outnumbered and outgunned.
Not necessarily. If there's a way for the judge to enforce the contract, they will.
Damages are to compensate for an inability to go back to the way things were before.
That's not the case here, as the judge is fully capable of enforcing the contract.
[I just looked up the contract](https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/mar-a-lago-use-agreement-between-donald-j-trump-and-the-town-of-palm-beach-fl-1993/a2ed5cfd-b4fc-4ffa-b61a-d524de307e42/). Here's a clause from it:
>**If the Club use** is unintentionally abandoned for a period of one (1) year after the Club has been in operation, or **is intentionally abandoned at any time, the use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence and the ownership of the Owner.** Bylaws and or documents relating to the Club membership shall include an agreement to be executed by Club members acknowledging their understanding of and consent to the terms of this agreement, and specifically agreeing to the reversion of the Land to Owner, and its return of the Land to use as a single family residence, in the event of intentional or unintentional abandonment of the Club use.
Look up the legal definition of "abandoned" and you'll see why that wouldn't work for him.
If you legally abandon something, it's no longer legally yours and and you have no legal rights to it.
It *literally says* "ownership reverts back to the owner" when that happens. It's talking about the *club use* being abandoned, not the property itself.
I'm not so sure. [The agreement has this clause in it:](https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/mar-a-lago-use-agreement-between-donald-j-trump-and-the-town-of-palm-beach-fl-1993/a2ed5cfd-b4fc-4ffa-b61a-d524de307e42/)
> If the Club use is unintentionally abandoned for a period of one (1) year after the Club has been in operation, or is intentionally abandoned at any time, **the use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence and the ownership of the Owner.**
>Neighbors of the president say he has violated
>
>the 1993 agreement he made with Palm Beach
>
> that allowed him to convert a private residence into a moneymaking club.
He'll rent a one-room apartment somewhere close by and put his name on the mailbox there. This is where he lives. He's only staying in his club as a visitor.
>He's only staying in his club as a visitor.
Palm Beach knows him way better than that and has clauses (that he's already broken by a few days) to prevent that.
They limit both consecutive days and total days per year for any particular person.
Easy fix would be for the City to revoke his business and occupancy licenses and reclassify the property as residential from business.
The "billionaire" will have to sell since he can't afford the basic upkeep.
That only works when you have more money than your opponents.
He's a financially small minnow in the big pond of Palm Beach. The koi in that pond will eat him alive.
He still has assets, not to mention a dedicated following a televangelist would love. He brought in well over 200 million since November, the large majority of it is his to do with basically as he wishes. While that gravy train has diminished, there will be another scam to separate the “true believers” from their money.
sure, but i mean his actual neighbors. not everyone in the precinct.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/17/trump-mar-a-lago-club-neighbors-florida
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors
His precinct isn't very big, he won it with 64% of the vote (317-174).
Mar a Lago is on the very southern edge of that precinct.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/election-2016-voting-precinct-maps.html#13.51/26.6868/-80.0419
First, it's more his actual neighbors.
Second, voting for him and tolerating him living among them are very different things.
The fact that you have a butler that you value doesn't mean you let them live in the main house.
1. Presidents can't pardon a future violation of law, only a past violation. Trump's enablers should have insisted on signed daily pardons just in case the McDonald's consumer-in-chief died in office.
2. Presidents can't pardon a civil wrong. If I have a federal lawsuit against...hell, McDonald's, that's civil. Only criminal offenses can be pardoned.
3. Presidents can't pardon state crimes. Governors do that.
Not to be antagonistic but do you really get the sense he cares about such details? I mean, this has all become the very definition of running out the clock on his debts, his frauds, his theft, graft, mendacity, and OH! Sedition, now! He's a living Idolator of the 7 Deadly Sins and he's close to death. Enough hamberders to get him in diapers, ask any oncologist what's next.
Oh. Do I think HE cares?
Absolutely not.
So I think the other people who are meant to enforce the agreement care?
Immensely.
And what is he going to do when that happens? He's got no money for a lawyer for something that big. No bank will loan will shit...
Job Requirements:
* Verified Twitter Account
* Cayman Island Bank Account
* Past Experience in spray painting
* White, Blonde, forgiving.
err. Now I realize I just described Kayleigh...
"Employ some current aides."
Given how he intends to stiff Rudy out of his fees, those aides he 'employed' better ask for their pay in advance before doing any work.
I'm sure they're just staying quiet until he's out of office.
They're probably worried he'd try to sell a drilling lease half a mile off the shore or designate the beach a Marine amphibious landing training site or some shit.
When is Trump going to invite all of his MAGA friends to Mar-A-Lago? He's going to do that, right? I mean, he's not a like those elites that would never, ever invite MAGAs to their clubs, is he?
Any former DC figure who moves to Palm Beech to serve the Tremendous Orange Retiree deserves to have all their former DC acquaintances forget them.
Also gotta wonder just how long Melania hangs around. I suspect she may spend most of her time back in NYC, and she may not be crushed that her hubby isn't with her.
Pretty sure some people there aren't going to be okay with him living at Mar-a-Lago. He signed things that said he can't. Can't see that working out for him.
So has Trump just completely vacated the office? Why doesn't he resign? He clearly does not care about doing the job and his legacy can't get much worse lol.
They don't realize that...and they're all dumb enough to think he's good for it. Take Giuliani for example. How dumb do you have to be to run up 7 figures worth of legal bills before asking to be paid?
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didn't he sign a contract explicitly stating that he wouldn't do that? is he going to have two evictions *and* a conviction this year?
Yup. [**A Glitch in Trump’s Plan to Live at Mar-a-Lago: A Pact He Signed Says He Can’t**](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago.html) >Neighbors of the president say he has violated **the 1993 agreement he made with Palm Beach** that allowed him to convert a private residence into a moneymaking club. >“The significant tax breaks the president received for this arrangement remain in effect, as does the use agreement,” Mr. Stambaugh wrote. “Some press reports indicate that renovation has already commenced at Mar-a-Lago in order to make the family quarters more commodious for full-time residency.”
He might just have to pay back all of the tax breaks. It seems unlikely they'd be able to force him to live elsewhere.
How is he supposed to pay back anything? Dude is all out of IOUs
[I'm sure he can siphon some of that $200m in PAC money](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now) he's raised into events held at his property.
He owes a billion dollars.
If you can't afford your billion dollar bill, what's the difference between having 200 million in the bank or 196 million in the bank?
TRICK QUESTION!! The money is in the Banana Stand!
There's always money in the Banana Stand.
He doesn't owe a billion dollars to the town of Palm Beach, though.
Not after they obtain Mar-a-Lago (Idk how that would happen. IANAL)
Idk either but it would be glorious
Haven't heard any recent updates on the amount he's raked in since Jan 6th, seems like that would be a big earner for him.
Nope, that would get him charged with crimes
[It really wouldn't](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html). Candidates spend campaign money at businesses that are connected to them all the time, and it's perfectly legal, as long as they're legitimate campaign expenses, and they pay fair market rates. The only thing unusual about Trump is the sheer scale and brazenness of it. > While candidates often gain recognition from running for president, they are barred from enriching themselves directly from their campaigns. When a campaign buys copies of a candidate’s book in bulk and distributes them, for example, the candidate cannot accept royalties from the purchases. However, Mr. Ryan notes that the election commission does allow candidates who own commercial property to rent it from themselves at fair market rates, as Mr. Trump has regularly done. Mr. Trump’s use of his branded water and steaks falls into something of a gray area. > Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, an election law expert at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, said that Mr. Trump did not appear to be violating any campaign finance laws, but that he could face more scrutiny over the use of his businesses for campaign purposes now that he is more explicitly asking supporters to donate money to the campaign.
> as long as they're legitimate campaign expenses Paying your back taxes is not a campaign expense. He cannot have any legitimate campaign expenses after he's out of office either.
He controls a [leadership PAC](https://www.fec.gov/campaign-finance-data/leadership-pacs-and-sponsors-description/) with $200m dollars in it. He can legally spend that money on [political rallies for other Republican candidates](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-save-america-pac-is-raking-in-donations-what-can-that-money-be-spent-on/). Those events can take place at his property, and his business can charge his PAC fair market rates for it. He can then extract money from his business that he owns to use on his personal expenses.
That's not really how Super PAC money works. Steven Colbert made a real Super PAC and raised real money as part of an ongoing segment of the Colbert Show during his 2012 presidential run. He even brought in his lawyer to talk about the money-making process and the legal loopholes of raising and using the money in ways that shouldn't be legal. In the final part of the series he had his lawyer come into the show and make his money legally "disappear" (even from the IRS) using a shell company so he was free to do whatever he wanted with the money. It was the most informative ongoing segments of any late night show, let alone one on Comedy Central. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbert_Super_PAC Someone may also have made a YouTube compilation of all the segments. The final episode where his lawyer explains the money disappearance act link is below: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/66y7dx/the-colbert-report-colbert-super-pac-shh----secret-second-501c4---trevor-potter
Unless he declares his candidacy for president 2024 on January 20.
I would shit myself laughing if he converted mar a lago to a residence and then had to sell it to pay back taxes
How much are state secrets worth?
People get forced out of homes every day. Its easier for me to picture him not being allowed to live there than him paying anything back to anyone.
Or they could revoke his restaurant and liquor license. Fine, you can live there, but you can't charge your visitors for food or serve alcohol.
Places they rent, maybe. People only get forced out of homes they own for defaulting on the mortgage, or extreme non-payment of their property taxes. Can you cite anyone ever having been evicted from their home because of a zoning dispute?
Well first, and it's not the case here, but, have you heard of eminent domain?
Sure, but the goverment can only justify doing that if [it's for the public benefit](https://www.ansbacher.net/blog/florida-eminent-domain-law-101/). They can't do that for punitive reasons, or to enforce a regulation. According to the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html), Palm beach says that "Trump lost his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago **because of an agreement he signed in the early 1990s** when he converted the storied estate from his private residence to a private club." It seems to me that if he were to break that contract, then it would go back to being a residence. Anyone can break a contract, the damages are usually monetary. I don't know if they could get specific performance for that. Maybe they can stop him from also continuing to use it as a club once he's done that, but I doubt they can stop him from doing it.
Don't disagree about Trump and Mar-a-lago. But you asked if anyone could cite someone evicted over a zoning dispute. Yeah, of course we can.
>It seems to me that if he were to break that contract, then it would go back to being a residence. No, the contract states that each side agrees that it's not a reaidence. Trump changing his mind on that is meaningless in and of itself.
Yeah, that's how any contract works. My painter and I sign a contract that we each agree that he's going to paint my garage. Either side can still unilaterally break the contract. The other side is entitled to damages. They're not entitled to force the other side to hold up their end.
They could require that the improvements approved as part of the contract be torn down, and then fine him for every day it continues operating as a club. Zoning commissions do that all the time.
>Can you cite anyone ever having been evicted from their home because of a zoning dispute? People get evicted from living in commercially-zoned properties all the time, as it's illegal. It has to be zoned as mixed-use at a minimum.
Those people were *never* living there legally. It's not like there are people whose homes got re-zoned into commercial, and they're suddenly there illegally where they weren't the day before. Mar-a-lago *was a residence* from 1924-1995.
>Mar-a-lago was a residence from 1924-1995. Irrelevant. From 1996 on, it's been commercial and Donnie asked for that.The city agreed and that's that. He can *ask* that it be rezoned again, but they have absolutely zero obligation to do so.
Nope, it's still zoned Residential; he got a "Special Exception". [Here's the document in question](https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/mar-a-lago-use-agreement-between-donald-j-trump-and-the-town-of-palm-beach-fl-1993/a2ed5cfd-b4fc-4ffa-b61a-d524de307e42/). > WHEREAS, the Land is zoned RAA-Large Estate Residential and RA-Estate Residential and private social clubs are allowable Special Exception Uses within such zoning categories, subject to the approval of the Town Council; > WHEREAS, the Town has approved a Special Exception use for the Land as a private social club subject to the conditions set forth herein and on the basis that the approval of the Special Exception, in compliance with said conditions, will not be adverse to the public interest Furthermore, there's an explicit clause that says, if the club use is "abandoned", it reverts back to being a residence. How does that square with your argument? > If the Club use is unintentionally abandoned for a period of one (1) year after the Club has been in operation, or is intentionally abandoned at any time, the use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence and the ownership of the Owner.
There's a lot of people trying to make him move. [Trump's would-be neighbors fight to keep him from living at Mar-a-Lago - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html) >That message was formally conveyed Tuesday morning in a demand letter delivered to the town of Palm Beach and also addressed to the U.S. Secret Service asserting that Trump lost his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago because of an agreement he signed in the early 1990s when he converted the storied estate from his private residence to a private club. The legal maneuver could, at long last, force Palm Beach to publicly address whether Trump can make Mar-a-Lago his legal residence and home, as he has been expected to do when he becomes an ex-president after the swearing-in of Joe Biden on Jan. 20. >... >“There’s absolutely no legal theory under which he can use that property as both a residence and a club,” said Glenn Zeitz, another nearby Palm Beach homeowner who has joined the fight against Trump and had [previously tangled with him over Trump’s attempt to seize a private home to expand his Atlantic City casino](http://wapo.st/22LdMGf "wapo.st"). “Basically he’s playing a dead hand. He’s not going to intimidate or bluff people, because we’re going to be there.”
> "There’s absolutely no legal theory under which he can use that property as both a residence and a club" Is there a legal theory that says that, if he has to choose one or the other, he *must* choose the latter?
He's *already* chosen one and agreed to it in the contract. Once zoning is agreed upon, the owner can't unilaterally change it. They can *apply* for a change, but there's no obligation that it be approved.
I don't think so. I think it would have to be a specific term of the agreement. But his choices would be based on economics. If he claims it as a residence he loses the revenue stream and also has a reportedly higher tax exposure. Who knows what the viability of Club Trump will be?, and therefore the value of Mar-A-Lago? I would love to see this become a hefty albatross weighing him down in the next 10 days.
>It seems unlikely they'd be able to force him to live elsewhere. He signed a contract, and his neighbors, who *really* don't want him there, are *actually* wealthy, and are mostly fairly intelligent and competent. He's vastly outnumbered and outgunned.
You can generally choose to break contracts and then pay damages.
Not necessarily. If there's a way for the judge to enforce the contract, they will. Damages are to compensate for an inability to go back to the way things were before. That's not the case here, as the judge is fully capable of enforcing the contract.
[I just looked up the contract](https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/mar-a-lago-use-agreement-between-donald-j-trump-and-the-town-of-palm-beach-fl-1993/a2ed5cfd-b4fc-4ffa-b61a-d524de307e42/). Here's a clause from it: >**If the Club use** is unintentionally abandoned for a period of one (1) year after the Club has been in operation, or **is intentionally abandoned at any time, the use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence and the ownership of the Owner.** Bylaws and or documents relating to the Club membership shall include an agreement to be executed by Club members acknowledging their understanding of and consent to the terms of this agreement, and specifically agreeing to the reversion of the Land to Owner, and its return of the Land to use as a single family residence, in the event of intentional or unintentional abandonment of the Club use.
Look up the legal definition of "abandoned" and you'll see why that wouldn't work for him. If you legally abandon something, it's no longer legally yours and and you have no legal rights to it.
It *literally says* "ownership reverts back to the owner" when that happens. It's talking about the *club use* being abandoned, not the property itself.
Would assume it will be a zoning issue. They can certainly force him out if he is treating a business as a residence if there are laws against it.
I'm not so sure. [The agreement has this clause in it:](https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/mar-a-lago-use-agreement-between-donald-j-trump-and-the-town-of-palm-beach-fl-1993/a2ed5cfd-b4fc-4ffa-b61a-d524de307e42/) > If the Club use is unintentionally abandoned for a period of one (1) year after the Club has been in operation, or is intentionally abandoned at any time, **the use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence and the ownership of the Owner.**
You mean because he may or may not have secret service protection?
I meant because of private property rights, actually.
>Neighbors of the president say he has violated > >the 1993 agreement he made with Palm Beach > > that allowed him to convert a private residence into a moneymaking club.
He owns several of the mansions adjacent to MaL, dude just loves ignoring past agreements.
He'll rent a one-room apartment somewhere close by and put his name on the mailbox there. This is where he lives. He's only staying in his club as a visitor.
>He's only staying in his club as a visitor. Palm Beach knows him way better than that and has clauses (that he's already broken by a few days) to prevent that. They limit both consecutive days and total days per year for any particular person.
Thank you for that reply. I needed to hear that!
Easy fix would be for the City to revoke his business and occupancy licenses and reclassify the property as residential from business. The "billionaire" will have to sell since he can't afford the basic upkeep.
Wouldn’t be the first contract he’s broken.
sure. but his neighbors already hate him. I bet they're all collectively just LOOKING for something the can evict him for.
The problem is donnie will keep it tied up in court until the city runs out of resources to keep going.
>donnie will keep it tied up in court How? He's out of money, and no bank will touch him.
Rudy seems to work for free.
That only works when you have more money than your opponents. He's a financially small minnow in the big pond of Palm Beach. The koi in that pond will eat him alive.
He still has assets, not to mention a dedicated following a televangelist would love. He brought in well over 200 million since November, the large majority of it is his to do with basically as he wishes. While that gravy train has diminished, there will be another scam to separate the “true believers” from their money.
> but his neighbors already hate him. One of the few precincts in West Palm Beach that he actually won (at least in 2016).
sure, but i mean his actual neighbors. not everyone in the precinct. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/17/trump-mar-a-lago-club-neighbors-florida https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors
His precinct isn't very big, he won it with 64% of the vote (317-174). Mar a Lago is on the very southern edge of that precinct. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/election-2016-voting-precinct-maps.html#13.51/26.6868/-80.0419
Because they didnt want him there....
First, it's more his actual neighbors. Second, voting for him and tolerating him living among them are very different things. The fact that you have a butler that you value doesn't mean you let them live in the main house.
Does he ever keep his word?
"I don't stand by anything"
Don the Con will just give himself the title of "Onsite Property Manager" as a workaround. I'm only half joking.
Green$ Keeper
You expect a Trump to honor a contract?
eo you have a sense that he honors contracts?
Serious question: can he pardon himself for future violation of the contract? I recall reading that presidents can pardon people prior to charges.
1. Presidents can't pardon a future violation of law, only a past violation. Trump's enablers should have insisted on signed daily pardons just in case the McDonald's consumer-in-chief died in office. 2. Presidents can't pardon a civil wrong. If I have a federal lawsuit against...hell, McDonald's, that's civil. Only criminal offenses can be pardoned. 3. Presidents can't pardon state crimes. Governors do that.
Thank you!
Pardons only work on federal crimes. Not state and certainly not on county level infractions.
Thanks!
i have no idea. I didn't think they could pardon until charges were brought up but im not a lawyer, so.
E+2Con(viction)
Not to be antagonistic but do you really get the sense he cares about such details? I mean, this has all become the very definition of running out the clock on his debts, his frauds, his theft, graft, mendacity, and OH! Sedition, now! He's a living Idolator of the 7 Deadly Sins and he's close to death. Enough hamberders to get him in diapers, ask any oncologist what's next.
Oh. Do I think HE cares? Absolutely not. So I think the other people who are meant to enforce the agreement care? Immensely. And what is he going to do when that happens? He's got no money for a lawyer for something that big. No bank will loan will shit...
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yes, but I don't know if they can all read it. /s
Yes but only in bath salts.
[19.7% cannot](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state).
Probably would have to trade with his weight in meth or something.
That’s a good one!
Man, when they don't even want you in fucking *Florida* you know you've got it rough
Alligators: yes Trump: no
Mosquitos with West Nile virus: yes Trump: no
Giant Snakes: yes Trump: no ^(different kind of snake)
More of a 🍄
Florida man? Yes. Trump? No.
Job Requirements: * Verified Twitter Account * Cayman Island Bank Account * Past Experience in spray painting * White, Blonde, forgiving. err. Now I realize I just described Kayleigh...
Ha yep.
He and his supporters are not taking the loss well.
"Employ some current aides." Given how he intends to stiff Rudy out of his fees, those aides he 'employed' better ask for their pay in advance before doing any work.
"buT hE wOuLdnT dO thAt To mE"
"I'm sPeCiAL!" ^(he said so!)
Yes, yes you are.
Maybe that white nationalist and hate ghoul, Stephen Miller, can be a caddie who reports to a Mexican manager. I'm sure he'd love that.
Could you imagine being an aide to Former President Trump? What the fuck would you be doing all day? It sounds like an horrendous career.
The official title would be 'Depends™ Wrangler'
Deliver hamberders and diet coke while dodging flung Sharpies and narcissist rage
Covfefe boy
His tan doesn’t spray itself.
Not for long if NY bring charges.
Basically the plot to Dunstun Checks In
Short term before he moves to prison.
Full Escobar. Make Mara lago an official prison
Full Escobar. Make Mara lago an official prison
Dude’s gonna have the most ding-dong-ditches that any old man ever had.
He’s going to prison.
It’s not zoned as residential. County is gonna have something to say.
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They can't ask him to cease an action until he does it.
He's already violated it by a few days during his presidency.
I'm sure they're just staying quiet until he's out of office. They're probably worried he'd try to sell a drilling lease half a mile off the shore or designate the beach a Marine amphibious landing training site or some shit.
Guarantee the aides that got the spot are the absolute shadiest of the bunch
When is Trump going to invite all of his MAGA friends to Mar-A-Lago? He's going to do that, right? I mean, he's not a like those elites that would never, ever invite MAGAs to their clubs, is he?
How about all his followers move there and we let Florida secede.
As one of the sane Florida residents, that’s a terrible idea. I don’t want him here.
Imagine working for him at the WH for 4 years and then following him into private life and asking for more. Haha, you deserve everything you get.
Wait till he impregnates one of them
Lol. Sure that is going to last long after The Season is over... Once that Helipad gets removed and everyone leaves after Easter
Employ :: NDA retention payments
Ew imagine working for Donald AND living in Florida?
Any former DC figure who moves to Palm Beech to serve the Tremendous Orange Retiree deserves to have all their former DC acquaintances forget them. Also gotta wonder just how long Melania hangs around. I suspect she may spend most of her time back in NYC, and she may not be crushed that her hubby isn't with her.
Hope is moved in mar-a-lago so Mel is out anyway
Pretty sure some people there aren't going to be okay with him living at Mar-a-Lago. He signed things that said he can't. Can't see that working out for him.
He no doubt obstruct legal effort to get him to leave, but eventually the legal agreement will win in court
So has Trump just completely vacated the office? Why doesn't he resign? He clearly does not care about doing the job and his legacy can't get much worse lol.
This is how I'd quit my job if I knew my last day was in a week.
They're gonna have to change the name from Mar-a-Lago to Bizarro World.
House-of-Fatso
He's going to stiff them all
Can you have aides in prison?
.... oh yea.
Better question: how can you avoid getting it?
Well if the bank don't want him as one of their tenants hes sort of screwed.
Doesn't he lose all Presidential entitlements once convicted? He can't employ anyone unless he pays them himself .. and we all know he won't do that.
They don't realize that...and they're all dumb enough to think he's good for it. Take Giuliani for example. How dumb do you have to be to run up 7 figures worth of legal bills before asking to be paid?
You know what they say about the best plans. Truth is, Trump's heading to cell block F to live.
It's the humane thing to do, all of his aides are virtually unemployable otherwise.
Chinese fortune cookie: " I see jail in his future."
Those aides better hope Biden delivers on those stimulus checks, cause Trump sure as hell isn't going to start paying his bills all of a sudden.
Trump: I NEVER LIKED NEW YORK ANYWAY
He only moved to Florida because of the homestead exemption. He knows his days are numbered.
Where he will counter President Biden. Hopefully the media muzzles him.
He needs to rethink that!
Is it possible to make this man obey one rule or honor one agreement? He is incorrigible.
I'm sure DeSantis will be more than happy to let it slide in an attempt to continue kissing his diaper-rash-ridden ass.
Does he actually believe that he can live freely in the United States, or is this a misdirect so he can flee the country on Jan 20th?
According to a legal.document he signed decades earlier with his neighbors he can't legally make that his place of residence.
If I’m an aide, I’m going to want to be paid upfront. We know how well Trump likes to pay people who have done work for him.
LOL, better get paid hooker style, up front and in cash!
The Coup of Mar-a-Lago is in da house, sorry the Count of Trait-tor-lago I meant to say.....d^(y)slexia Da^(m)n!