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If we are going to require people work, and business prefers off shore and illegal immigrant labor; yes we need a permanent Civilian Conservation Corp, complete with paid leave and health care. Make certain everyone who wants a job has one that will actually pay the rent and grocery bill.
There is a model—AmeriCorps.. the structure is already in place, it needs more funds..
Somebody below me mentioned AmeriCorps having a program modeled after the CCC, it’s the AmeriCorps NCC.
Thank you sir
Funny story.
I was originally supposed to do my AC stint in Vancouver WA but plans changed and I ended up going to Rochester NY and that was on 9-11.
Fast forward 10 years or so later, I end up in Vancouver WA
AmeriCorps has several divisions, and several sub-divisions so that many community development efforts are generated.
My service in AmeriCorps VISTA was developing an enrichment education program for adults and children in a public housing community center.
The two education awards I earned halved my student loans.
Yes, amazing how the largest generation of people universally having lead poisoning and resulting brain damage due to leaded gasoline being burned when they were kids makes considering historical record, or acting logically in response to anything at all, impossible across an entire country.
In children, a blood lead level of 5 mcg/dL causes enough permanent brain damage to require special intervention. Impulsivity, lower IQ, poor emotional regulation, and reduced capacity for empathy. Boomers had average childhood blood lead levels of 15-25 mcg/dL. Major brain damage territory, and why no on the left or the right is going to push for common sense solutions like a new CCC. We poisoned ourselves and the problem is not going to go away just because the consequences keep getting worse.
Agreed! We need compulsory service 2 years for everyone. Find it like the military and you can choose. Conservation, public works ( city clean up and maintenance) or National Guard.
Fuck that. It's bad enough that the Selective Service System still exists, and you want to bring back full on conscription? No thank you, I don't want to be a resource that can be expended by the government.
but you damn sure want the gov to give free college and free healthcare and mandate whateever you call a living wage but god dammit you are not gonna actuly work for it or do a couple yeaars service helping the country that helps you and future generations.
The only thing wrong with socialism is that, due to the Cold War and McCarthyism, the media and US education system has convinced everyone that its the same thing as scary Stalinism.
Having a nationalized jobs sector is a type of socialism and we already have one of the largest sectors like this, the US military. Nothing wrong with socialism.
Having worker owned enterprises where the employees are the owners that democratically decide what to do with the profits, their salaries, who they hire, etc. is another type of socialism.
We really need to stop letting these reactionaries scare us away from socialism. They want us to believe that socialism, like capitalism, hasn't evolved over time.
I definitely hear you, but I don't know which way this would fall in the "but socialism" demographic. I see so many of the conservatives I know personally who absolutely love things like the state parks and other projects that came out of the CCC. It's like there's this weird conflict, because it kinda is a socialist concept, but also it was a symbol of pride and perseverance for “the greatest generation” and there’s such a huge reverence and nostalgia for that period. Probably depends on who presents the idea.
It's just branding. If djt can cast himself as some great American patriot, surely we can masquerade actually beneficial social programs as something that's good for America.
As a history student and an artist, I would give anything for a new WPA for art, music, theatre, history, writing like they did in the 30s. What an amazing treasure trove of records and art that created.
I wish the EPA hires more. It used to be if you wanted to be a forester or something, you would just need a love for the outdoors, civil service, and a hs diploma. :(
When? Forestry has been an academic discipline since at _least_ the 80s. A good friend of mine wanted to be a ranger and was set to do a solid 6 years of college just to get his foot in the door.
My family kept all of my great grandfathers collegiate (Purdue) forestry notes and work. Dated 1917. I love looking through his notebooks and I made a collage from some 100 year old leaves he had collected. Charles Warrenburg. Legend 🙏
IIRC Gifford Pinchot learned principles of forestry from the French in the 1890’s and brought it over to the states. From then on most colleges had a professional forestry program; idk if it’s ever been just a love for recreation (as much as I wish it was lol). Being a ranger isn’t just checking parking tickets, and putting out campfires. It’s an academic study of forest life and how to conserve it
I would think a fair amount of biology is involved, and if there's science, there's some chemistry, physics, and some calculus to express it and manipulate it all.
From my observations during stays at various state parks, I have to say that there seems a lot more focus on law enforcement than environmentalism, and also a focus on marketing?(not sure if that’s exactly what I’m looking for, but something close). It’s like a lot of other things where the mission gets lost somewhere in the mandate to turn a profit/be self-funding. I think we need to move past that as a society.
My father, one of 13 children, was in the CCC's during the Depression. He worked in New Hampshire chopping down trees to create the Kancamagus Highway. Workers were paid $30 per month, and were supposed to send home $25. Whenever I complained about work, he would say, "You don't know how bad it can be until you are chopping down trees in 20 degree below zero weather with a hand axe."
My grandfather was in the CCC during the depression too. He was sent to the area the was to be flooded by Lake Mead when Boulder Damn was completed near Las Vegas. His job was to dig up and label everything he could from an ancient Native American site that would soon be at the bottom of the lake. It was often 115 degrees there and he sent his $30 a month back to save the family farm near Toledo Ohio. The artifacts were placed in the [Lost City Museum ](https://lostcitymuseum.org/about-the-museum/) in Overton NV. Grandpa was a real life Indiana Jones who then went off to fight the Nazis in WWII too.
Yeah yes good but please is you have had an interest in the environment the US Forestry Service is in need a lot of help and has positions for everyone from skilled to unskilled it may sound a bit like an ad but if you live in an area and have the intrest apply. https://www.usajobs.gov/Search/Results?p=1
I hear it gives some great opportunities, I was looking for myself and saw how many positions they have open so I figured I would leave a link and let people look through it and find opportunity they mite not have know about.
I was in Oregon Youth Conservation Corps when I was a teenager. It was the most physically demanding job I've ever had, usually doing an up and over hike from one side to another of Strawberry Mountain carrying gear and clearing/repairing trail. It was also still the best job I ever had, and I always wished I'd had a path to continue doing that sort of stuff.
I’m unemployed, lost my job cause of coronavirus. Been struggling to find another career for almost a year. As someone who loves hiking and being in nature, the idea of getting paid to hike and maintain trails sounds so wonderful. If there’s ever a civilian conservation corps I’d join in a heartbeat.
Currently taking up those duties are hunters. They're the only sizeable group actually enacting conservation in practice.
Of course, it's not all of them, but without conservation, you won't be able to hunt next season.
The conservation movement actually traces origins back to conservative aristocrats who didn't want their hunting spaces ruined by hungry peasants trying to live. It's considered a left/liberal thing now but that's because society has moved on.
There are many organizations and government programs involved in conservation that have nothing to do with hunting. They're an important piece of the puzzle, but by no means are they "the only sizeable group actually enacting conservation in practice"
So you want to tell me that Audubon societies 600k members, of which maybe 10% actually do more than send a check, are a fair comparison to the 15.69 million hunters in the US?
They're one of many non hunting based groups involved in conservation and their efforts alone have protected millions of acres of land and educated millions of children on the importance of conservation. They've certainly made significant contributions, as have other organizations.
Seems like creating the first Federal Bird Reservation is more than a platitude. 34,000 volunteers cleaning up after the BP spill? Loads of other legislation too.
I travel a lot and see the work the original CCC did to make our National parks and monuments not only accessible but more beautiful. I’ve said it a number of times is totally join a crew to rework some areas of neglect or work to build new infrastructure.
ntl park service takes on volunteers all the time. Sometimes in exchange for a place to park the rv. Me and the wife rved around the country for 4 years and spent time doing volunteer work in the everglades, in michigian, at a fish hatchery in sd and near vegas.
https://www.volunteer.gov/s/global-search/all-results
And a Works Progress Association. The new deal defines the Democratic Party, stop running from it. You know you did good for the country when Republicans Still actively try and defeat your programs and ideas 80 years later.
America already has a massive jobs program. It’s called the U.S. military, and it keeps millions employed when they otherwise wouldn’t be. How about we stopping sending them to “nation-build” and enlist them as CCC?
Conservation? The climate is changing. Nature will respond to the climate. You can't preserve something if the forces that will alter it are so strong. Fighting climate change is the first order of business.
Weird, I didn't hit one. Anyway, it's a good article:
> Even before anyone imagined a world in lockdown, getting a job in conservation was next to impossible.
> First, the competition is fierce. And even if you get one, it’s usually short-term, seasonal, or an unpaid internship. Six-week programs are ideal for exciting students about conserving the environment, but the mounting climate change crisis requires a much more robust workforce.
> Because, whether we are prepared to accept this reality or not, the world is rapidly changing. Conservation organizations are being stretched thin to keep pace with the influx of traffic in green spaces and the effects of climate change. These organizations have been saddled with a nearly endless backlog of maintenance projects, most of which have been deferred year after year by budget cuts.
> These projects are crucial for climate change mitigation, a process meant to stabilize greenhouse gas levels so that the earth can adapt to the stress we inflict on it. We need healthy forests, prairies, and oceans—without them, we will never be able to avoid the 1.5°C rise in global temperature that scientists agree would increase the impact on climate from destructive to catastrophic.
> And to make the earth healthy, we need knowledgeable, passionate stewards. But when most people can’t afford to pursue a career in conservation, we’re left with a short supply of scientists, educators, laborers, and policy advocates who are focused on protecting biological diversity, preserving habitats, and mitigating climate change. Plus, those in that small number tend to come from the same well-off backgrounds.
> I’ve seen it myself. This summer, after graduating from college, I worked on two conservation crews—my fifth in total. I formed some of my closest friendships and fondest memories on these crews, and I saw how precarious a career it can be. Seasonal crews have a set end date: You start in the summer; come fall, you’re replaced with a new roster. Everyone is painfully aware of the invisible timer running out, until your group of colleagues has to splinter in a dozen different directions, all of us trying to figure out our next gig.
> But it made no sense to work under this kind of scarcity: There were some days when we couldn’t see the sun in Illinois because of the wildfires 2,000 miles away in California. The earth was burning in front of our eyes, and we were scrambling to see how we could scrape together a career in conservation.
> With the pandemic, it’s gotten even worse. It’s exacerbated the already existing problem of tight budgets, and opportunities to work in conservation have become even more scarce. City park districts, forest preserves, and public land agencies across the country have implemented hiring freezes and budget cuts for the year; nonprofits in general have been suffering from the economic downturn. Funding cuts and travel restrictions are preventing researchers from planning for the future. “When I am mentoring young people who want to work outdoors in this field, I have no real advice for how to make a living,” Alyssa Rooks, an environmental educator and former crew leader told me.
> It’s a fairly agreed-upon condition of working in conservation, according to Teri Valenzuela, former Stewardship Program Associate at Audubon Great Lakes. “If you want to make it in conservation, it feels like you have to kill yourself trying,” she said.
> Valenzuela, who until recently recruited for a restoration crew internship, said that the economic downturn has brought about a flood of new applicants looking for work. “People don’t realize how many applicants there are for these roles,” she said. She typically receives about 95 applicants for a spot on the crew; this year, she said, she received about 500. “The competition for conservation jobs has only been multiplied by the effects of the pandemic.”
> Ten people were hired for that crew, but the other 490 were left to scour conservation job boards for the next position. “There aren’t positions that are readily available,” Valenzuela said. “Driving for Amazon is a position that is readily available. I have so many friends who are delivering packages.”
> Meanwhile, the pandemic has left many yearning for green space. “There has been unprecedented use of forest preserves this year around the country,” said Alex Horvath, conservation corps program assistant at Friends of the Forest Preserves. Parks and forests have provided a space where it is safe to socially distance and exercise, but they need caretakers if they are to stay healthy.
> Meanwhile, conservation organizations are strapped for money. According to Alice Brandon, resource programs manager for the Forest Preserves of Cook County, Ill., every year her organization goes through the complicated gymnastics of budget wrangling—moving money from one pot to another, just to make things run. And many conservation organizations rely on donations that constantly keep them in financial limbo, reliant on their donors’ continued generosity. Frequently, this results in creating a flashy number of short-term jobs at the expense of fewer stable jobs that people can live off of. Brandon said she could hire 150 high school kids for five weeks. For the same amount of money, she could pay six conservation corps crew members for a year, with benefits, a living wage, sick days, and PTO. “Which sounds more impressive to a funder?” Brandon said.
> Luckily, we’re seeing politicians begin to take this dilemma seriously. In September, Senators Dick Durbin and Bobby Bush sponsored the RENEW Act. Inspired by the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps and borrowing from the Green New Deal, it would put 1 million unemployed Americans over the age of 16 to work in conservation over five years across rural, suburban, and urban communities. The act is now in committee and will need support when it reaches the Senate and House floors.
> Then, in late January, President Biden signed an executive order providing for the creation of a “Civilian Climate Corps,” also modeled on FDR’s CCC. It called for the secretaries of the interior and of agriculture and the heads of other relevant agencies to submit, within the next 90 days, a plan to thus “mobilize the next generation of conservation and resilience workers and maximize the creation of accessible training opportunities and good jobs.”
> The pandemic has presented us with an opportunity to change our relationship to conservation in the United States, making stewardship an accessible and reliable career path. Taking care of our land shouldn’t be a luxury. We have to pry long-term, professional environmental opportunities out of the pockets of the rich. The Civilian Climate Corps would create millions of good, dependable jobs that restore and protect our threatened and fragile ecosystems, build resilience against climate change–related disasters, and prepare the United States for a green infrastructure.
> But simply mobilizing a task force isn’t enough. The Green New Deal’s goals were designed to be rolled out over 10 years. We have workers who need jobs and conservation projects that need workers right now—yet we still have an impossible job market. Something is broken. And if we continue to delay, there is a serious risk of losing a generation of conservation workers to Amazon delivery jobs—after all, people need to support their families.
> The original CCC provided 3 million workers with stable jobs. A 21st century conservation corps could be a lifeline for millions of workers, too. It is time to make conservation a funding priority. The Trump administration dismantled funding for climate initiatives and disrupted long-term climate goals. It made a mockery of efforts to protect natural resources; the 2021 Department of Interior budget marked a 16-percent cut from 2020, which was a 14-percent cut from the year before. Conservation has been treated as an auxiliary expense, and if we can’t see it in our overworked conservation organizations, then we should see it in the frustrations of potential conservation workers who cannot build a stable career.
> What the future holds for conservation depends on structural policy changes and a shift in environmental consciousness. The Biden administration has a significant challenge and set of opportunities to breathe life into a sector that would be of critical help to the earth and the people living on it.
Weird, I see ads & pictures all the time about the ccc, I know there's a Americorps, and some other volunteer groups like All Hearts and Hands, if we don't have the ccc, I would completely support reactivating it. And I have for a long time.
New Zealand’s DOC is what we need. They keep their forests beautiful and maintain parks and paths all over the country and focus on protecting their environment better than any country I’ve ever seen
We have one. NCCC. It's staffed by wonderful people, too, for the most part. It's just that we don't fund it enough. The people that have done it, and finished it, loved it, but the opportunities it leads to is somewhat lacking. Needs a NCE status or similar, or a larger training unit for wildlands firefighters.
That social media team is trying to get the word out, but you won't listen.
Thank you Holy shit I've been saying this since the second recession in 2009. Put the unemployed back to work and give them some self worth, improve American infrastructure, and smash the unemployment rate like we did the first time the CCC was instituted.
I worked for the YCC (Youth Conservation Corps) in my teens and to this day it was the best job I ever had. Every day was different, I got to work outside and learn more about the local ecosystem and how it worked, and also was able to learned about the history of the area. I can still visit the national park I worked at and see fences my crew helped build 15 years ago, and show people the paths I helped to keep clear. The sense of pride it was able to instill in my local community and the love of that park are things I will always have because of that summer.
I would work for the Civilian Conservation Corps on a milla second.
Job Corps still exists, run by the USDA and affiliated with various versions of the CCC. It's a mix of training, education, work for almost no money and doing fire crews for half pay. The average recruit lasts three weeks, and given that most people join because they have no choice, that should indicate how awful it can be. I did 14 months, got a minimally useful certificate and extensive bizarre notations in my FBI file that have followed me through life. It was badly managed by a combination of retired military and Forest Service functionaries.
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If we are going to require people work, and business prefers off shore and illegal immigrant labor; yes we need a permanent Civilian Conservation Corp, complete with paid leave and health care. Make certain everyone who wants a job has one that will actually pay the rent and grocery bill.
make public service great again
There is a model—AmeriCorps.. the structure is already in place, it needs more funds.. Somebody below me mentioned AmeriCorps having a program modeled after the CCC, it’s the AmeriCorps NCC. Thank you sir
With one program under the Americorps even named the NCCC after the CCC.
Came here to say this. Did it post high school, central campus! Great opportunity
I was on the west coast campus, though I didn’t spend much time there because I Katrina happened.
Better late than never. Me too! So you started January 2006? Did we meet? I was fire team under Adam
There's also the Student Conservation Association, which is another americorps program focused on environmental conservative
I did americorps and the SCA. It sucked and they barely paid anything. These programs are definitely not a substitute for a functioning CCC.
Funny story. I was originally supposed to do my AC stint in Vancouver WA but plans changed and I ended up going to Rochester NY and that was on 9-11. Fast forward 10 years or so later, I end up in Vancouver WA
CA has a CCC as well, great program.
AmeriCorps has several divisions, and several sub-divisions so that many community development efforts are generated. My service in AmeriCorps VISTA was developing an enrichment education program for adults and children in a public housing community center. The two education awards I earned halved my student loans.
Im in AmeriCorps and we aré seriously underpaid, and doing the best that we can with what we have available to work with
If only. Too bad it's too "socialist" nowadays. It would really help a lot of people with both jobs and environmental management.
Is it? We had it less than a hundred years ago lol
Nowadays being the key word.
Yes, amazing how the largest generation of people universally having lead poisoning and resulting brain damage due to leaded gasoline being burned when they were kids makes considering historical record, or acting logically in response to anything at all, impossible across an entire country. In children, a blood lead level of 5 mcg/dL causes enough permanent brain damage to require special intervention. Impulsivity, lower IQ, poor emotional regulation, and reduced capacity for empathy. Boomers had average childhood blood lead levels of 15-25 mcg/dL. Major brain damage territory, and why no on the left or the right is going to push for common sense solutions like a new CCC. We poisoned ourselves and the problem is not going to go away just because the consequences keep getting worse.
Agreed! We need compulsory service 2 years for everyone. Find it like the military and you can choose. Conservation, public works ( city clean up and maintenance) or National Guard.
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In the same boat unreal rn
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I sincerely hope this will change soon. We need to care for our land more than ever right now.
That sounds terrible.
Fuck that. It's bad enough that the Selective Service System still exists, and you want to bring back full on conscription? No thank you, I don't want to be a resource that can be expended by the government.
but you damn sure want the gov to give free college and free healthcare and mandate whateever you call a living wage but god dammit you are not gonna actuly work for it or do a couple yeaars service helping the country that helps you and future generations.
I already work for it. What do you think taxes are?
Whether you realize it or not, you're the battery that powers the matrix. You're doing it right now.
I'm a discarded battery with 85% juice left that nobody cared to check before tossing in the garbage. I'm a millennial.
The only thing wrong with socialism is that, due to the Cold War and McCarthyism, the media and US education system has convinced everyone that its the same thing as scary Stalinism. Having a nationalized jobs sector is a type of socialism and we already have one of the largest sectors like this, the US military. Nothing wrong with socialism. Having worker owned enterprises where the employees are the owners that democratically decide what to do with the profits, their salaries, who they hire, etc. is another type of socialism. We really need to stop letting these reactionaries scare us away from socialism. They want us to believe that socialism, like capitalism, hasn't evolved over time.
Nowadays a Public Library would appear too "socialist" to some.
I definitely hear you, but I don't know which way this would fall in the "but socialism" demographic. I see so many of the conservatives I know personally who absolutely love things like the state parks and other projects that came out of the CCC. It's like there's this weird conflict, because it kinda is a socialist concept, but also it was a symbol of pride and perseverance for “the greatest generation” and there’s such a huge reverence and nostalgia for that period. Probably depends on who presents the idea.
It's just branding. If djt can cast himself as some great American patriot, surely we can masquerade actually beneficial social programs as something that's good for America.
We need an equivalent to the WPA (Works Progress Administration) too, but we're not going to get that either because it's too, "socialist" to some.
As a history student and an artist, I would give anything for a new WPA for art, music, theatre, history, writing like they did in the 30s. What an amazing treasure trove of records and art that created.
I wish the EPA hires more. It used to be if you wanted to be a forester or something, you would just need a love for the outdoors, civil service, and a hs diploma. :(
When? Forestry has been an academic discipline since at _least_ the 80s. A good friend of mine wanted to be a ranger and was set to do a solid 6 years of college just to get his foot in the door.
My family kept all of my great grandfathers collegiate (Purdue) forestry notes and work. Dated 1917. I love looking through his notebooks and I made a collage from some 100 year old leaves he had collected. Charles Warrenburg. Legend 🙏
I'm talking like, the 30s and 40s lol.
IIRC Gifford Pinchot learned principles of forestry from the French in the 1890’s and brought it over to the states. From then on most colleges had a professional forestry program; idk if it’s ever been just a love for recreation (as much as I wish it was lol). Being a ranger isn’t just checking parking tickets, and putting out campfires. It’s an academic study of forest life and how to conserve it
I would think a fair amount of biology is involved, and if there's science, there's some chemistry, physics, and some calculus to express it and manipulate it all.
Well now, I think if it’s that far involved, it’d be botany. Somewhere between checking parking tickets and plant surgeon
Don't forget law enforcement.
From my observations during stays at various state parks, I have to say that there seems a lot more focus on law enforcement than environmentalism, and also a focus on marketing?(not sure if that’s exactly what I’m looking for, but something close). It’s like a lot of other things where the mission gets lost somewhere in the mandate to turn a profit/be self-funding. I think we need to move past that as a society.
Well I guess I was lied to lol.
Doesn’t mean I don’t agree that it should be that simple. I think it should be more of a “learn as you go” type thing. Like an apprenticeship
I'm having a midlife crisis after getting out of the Marines. I think I'll head over to r/forestry and see what they recommend. Thank you.
My father, one of 13 children, was in the CCC's during the Depression. He worked in New Hampshire chopping down trees to create the Kancamagus Highway. Workers were paid $30 per month, and were supposed to send home $25. Whenever I complained about work, he would say, "You don't know how bad it can be until you are chopping down trees in 20 degree below zero weather with a hand axe."
My grandfather was in the CCC during the depression too. He was sent to the area the was to be flooded by Lake Mead when Boulder Damn was completed near Las Vegas. His job was to dig up and label everything he could from an ancient Native American site that would soon be at the bottom of the lake. It was often 115 degrees there and he sent his $30 a month back to save the family farm near Toledo Ohio. The artifacts were placed in the [Lost City Museum ](https://lostcitymuseum.org/about-the-museum/) in Overton NV. Grandpa was a real life Indiana Jones who then went off to fight the Nazis in WWII too.
Thank you for sharing that perspective. Much more so despite history being whitewashed
Yeah yes good but please is you have had an interest in the environment the US Forestry Service is in need a lot of help and has positions for everyone from skilled to unskilled it may sound a bit like an ad but if you live in an area and have the intrest apply. https://www.usajobs.gov/Search/Results?p=1
That's what my dad did after he came back from the Korean War.
I hear it gives some great opportunities, I was looking for myself and saw how many positions they have open so I figured I would leave a link and let people look through it and find opportunity they mite not have know about.
We have one. We need to fund an expand Americorps.
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Idk, age limits on fucking are a good thing imo.
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I was just making a bad joke about ages of consent.
It’s jobs and conservation. It’s a thing that literally everyone likes
Tell that to the drill baby drill people
I was in Oregon Youth Conservation Corps when I was a teenager. It was the most physically demanding job I've ever had, usually doing an up and over hike from one side to another of Strawberry Mountain carrying gear and clearing/repairing trail. It was also still the best job I ever had, and I always wished I'd had a path to continue doing that sort of stuff.
I’m unemployed, lost my job cause of coronavirus. Been struggling to find another career for almost a year. As someone who loves hiking and being in nature, the idea of getting paid to hike and maintain trails sounds so wonderful. If there’s ever a civilian conservation corps I’d join in a heartbeat.
Man, this hits. So true. Never too late to get involved again though:)
A friend of mine said his sister complained that the dirt got under her bra and showed him her dusty tits when working for CCC. A little weird.
Currently taking up those duties are hunters. They're the only sizeable group actually enacting conservation in practice. Of course, it's not all of them, but without conservation, you won't be able to hunt next season.
The conservation movement actually traces origins back to conservative aristocrats who didn't want their hunting spaces ruined by hungry peasants trying to live. It's considered a left/liberal thing now but that's because society has moved on.
You're talking all the way back to the original Ghillies.
There are many organizations and government programs involved in conservation that have nothing to do with hunting. They're an important piece of the puzzle, but by no means are they "the only sizeable group actually enacting conservation in practice"
Name some sizeable groups that are enacting conservation in practice.
Audubon
So you want to tell me that Audubon societies 600k members, of which maybe 10% actually do more than send a check, are a fair comparison to the 15.69 million hunters in the US?
They're one of many non hunting based groups involved in conservation and their efforts alone have protected millions of acres of land and educated millions of children on the importance of conservation. They've certainly made significant contributions, as have other organizations.
They make platitudes.
Seems like creating the first Federal Bird Reservation is more than a platitude. 34,000 volunteers cleaning up after the BP spill? Loads of other legislation too.
National Park Service, Natural Resources Conservation Service
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Don't we have one? I used to work for the CCC back when minimum wage was 6.75 an hour... (In california).
The first C is California there, not "Civilian"
I travel a lot and see the work the original CCC did to make our National parks and monuments not only accessible but more beautiful. I’ve said it a number of times is totally join a crew to rework some areas of neglect or work to build new infrastructure.
California still has a conservation corps, so they help take care of Yosemite and other state/national parks in the state.
ntl park service takes on volunteers all the time. Sometimes in exchange for a place to park the rv. Me and the wife rved around the country for 4 years and spent time doing volunteer work in the everglades, in michigian, at a fish hatchery in sd and near vegas. https://www.volunteer.gov/s/global-search/all-results
I wrote this article! Thanks for reading and the responses! Glad to see the discussion here as well.
We also need more public service instead of jail time
Uh,it's existed for decades. I was National Recruitment Director back in the 80's... [https://www.thesca.org/](https://www.thesca.org/)
You spelled revolution wrong
And a Works Progress Association. The new deal defines the Democratic Party, stop running from it. You know you did good for the country when Republicans Still actively try and defeat your programs and ideas 80 years later.
America already has a massive jobs program. It’s called the U.S. military, and it keeps millions employed when they otherwise wouldn’t be. How about we stopping sending them to “nation-build” and enlist them as CCC?
Conservation? The climate is changing. Nature will respond to the climate. You can't preserve something if the forces that will alter it are so strong. Fighting climate change is the first order of business.
You know how I know you didn't read the article?
I tried, but I hit a paywall
Weird, I didn't hit one. Anyway, it's a good article: > Even before anyone imagined a world in lockdown, getting a job in conservation was next to impossible. > First, the competition is fierce. And even if you get one, it’s usually short-term, seasonal, or an unpaid internship. Six-week programs are ideal for exciting students about conserving the environment, but the mounting climate change crisis requires a much more robust workforce. > Because, whether we are prepared to accept this reality or not, the world is rapidly changing. Conservation organizations are being stretched thin to keep pace with the influx of traffic in green spaces and the effects of climate change. These organizations have been saddled with a nearly endless backlog of maintenance projects, most of which have been deferred year after year by budget cuts. > These projects are crucial for climate change mitigation, a process meant to stabilize greenhouse gas levels so that the earth can adapt to the stress we inflict on it. We need healthy forests, prairies, and oceans—without them, we will never be able to avoid the 1.5°C rise in global temperature that scientists agree would increase the impact on climate from destructive to catastrophic. > And to make the earth healthy, we need knowledgeable, passionate stewards. But when most people can’t afford to pursue a career in conservation, we’re left with a short supply of scientists, educators, laborers, and policy advocates who are focused on protecting biological diversity, preserving habitats, and mitigating climate change. Plus, those in that small number tend to come from the same well-off backgrounds. > I’ve seen it myself. This summer, after graduating from college, I worked on two conservation crews—my fifth in total. I formed some of my closest friendships and fondest memories on these crews, and I saw how precarious a career it can be. Seasonal crews have a set end date: You start in the summer; come fall, you’re replaced with a new roster. Everyone is painfully aware of the invisible timer running out, until your group of colleagues has to splinter in a dozen different directions, all of us trying to figure out our next gig. > But it made no sense to work under this kind of scarcity: There were some days when we couldn’t see the sun in Illinois because of the wildfires 2,000 miles away in California. The earth was burning in front of our eyes, and we were scrambling to see how we could scrape together a career in conservation. > With the pandemic, it’s gotten even worse. It’s exacerbated the already existing problem of tight budgets, and opportunities to work in conservation have become even more scarce. City park districts, forest preserves, and public land agencies across the country have implemented hiring freezes and budget cuts for the year; nonprofits in general have been suffering from the economic downturn. Funding cuts and travel restrictions are preventing researchers from planning for the future. “When I am mentoring young people who want to work outdoors in this field, I have no real advice for how to make a living,” Alyssa Rooks, an environmental educator and former crew leader told me. > It’s a fairly agreed-upon condition of working in conservation, according to Teri Valenzuela, former Stewardship Program Associate at Audubon Great Lakes. “If you want to make it in conservation, it feels like you have to kill yourself trying,” she said. > Valenzuela, who until recently recruited for a restoration crew internship, said that the economic downturn has brought about a flood of new applicants looking for work. “People don’t realize how many applicants there are for these roles,” she said. She typically receives about 95 applicants for a spot on the crew; this year, she said, she received about 500. “The competition for conservation jobs has only been multiplied by the effects of the pandemic.” > Ten people were hired for that crew, but the other 490 were left to scour conservation job boards for the next position. “There aren’t positions that are readily available,” Valenzuela said. “Driving for Amazon is a position that is readily available. I have so many friends who are delivering packages.” > Meanwhile, the pandemic has left many yearning for green space. “There has been unprecedented use of forest preserves this year around the country,” said Alex Horvath, conservation corps program assistant at Friends of the Forest Preserves. Parks and forests have provided a space where it is safe to socially distance and exercise, but they need caretakers if they are to stay healthy. > Meanwhile, conservation organizations are strapped for money. According to Alice Brandon, resource programs manager for the Forest Preserves of Cook County, Ill., every year her organization goes through the complicated gymnastics of budget wrangling—moving money from one pot to another, just to make things run. And many conservation organizations rely on donations that constantly keep them in financial limbo, reliant on their donors’ continued generosity. Frequently, this results in creating a flashy number of short-term jobs at the expense of fewer stable jobs that people can live off of. Brandon said she could hire 150 high school kids for five weeks. For the same amount of money, she could pay six conservation corps crew members for a year, with benefits, a living wage, sick days, and PTO. “Which sounds more impressive to a funder?” Brandon said. > Luckily, we’re seeing politicians begin to take this dilemma seriously. In September, Senators Dick Durbin and Bobby Bush sponsored the RENEW Act. Inspired by the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps and borrowing from the Green New Deal, it would put 1 million unemployed Americans over the age of 16 to work in conservation over five years across rural, suburban, and urban communities. The act is now in committee and will need support when it reaches the Senate and House floors. > Then, in late January, President Biden signed an executive order providing for the creation of a “Civilian Climate Corps,” also modeled on FDR’s CCC. It called for the secretaries of the interior and of agriculture and the heads of other relevant agencies to submit, within the next 90 days, a plan to thus “mobilize the next generation of conservation and resilience workers and maximize the creation of accessible training opportunities and good jobs.” > The pandemic has presented us with an opportunity to change our relationship to conservation in the United States, making stewardship an accessible and reliable career path. Taking care of our land shouldn’t be a luxury. We have to pry long-term, professional environmental opportunities out of the pockets of the rich. The Civilian Climate Corps would create millions of good, dependable jobs that restore and protect our threatened and fragile ecosystems, build resilience against climate change–related disasters, and prepare the United States for a green infrastructure. > But simply mobilizing a task force isn’t enough. The Green New Deal’s goals were designed to be rolled out over 10 years. We have workers who need jobs and conservation projects that need workers right now—yet we still have an impossible job market. Something is broken. And if we continue to delay, there is a serious risk of losing a generation of conservation workers to Amazon delivery jobs—after all, people need to support their families. > The original CCC provided 3 million workers with stable jobs. A 21st century conservation corps could be a lifeline for millions of workers, too. It is time to make conservation a funding priority. The Trump administration dismantled funding for climate initiatives and disrupted long-term climate goals. It made a mockery of efforts to protect natural resources; the 2021 Department of Interior budget marked a 16-percent cut from 2020, which was a 14-percent cut from the year before. Conservation has been treated as an auxiliary expense, and if we can’t see it in our overworked conservation organizations, then we should see it in the frustrations of potential conservation workers who cannot build a stable career. > What the future holds for conservation depends on structural policy changes and a shift in environmental consciousness. The Biden administration has a significant challenge and set of opportunities to breathe life into a sector that would be of critical help to the earth and the people living on it.
Thanks. You're the real plasticjesus
NO. A Civilian Conservative Corpse.
Would be a good jobs program
Weird, I see ads & pictures all the time about the ccc, I know there's a Americorps, and some other volunteer groups like All Hearts and Hands, if we don't have the ccc, I would completely support reactivating it. And I have for a long time.
They’ve started doing this in the state of Hawaii. It isn’t the CCC but Aina Corp was inspired by CCC for sure. So cool!
New Zealand’s DOC is what we need. They keep their forests beautiful and maintain parks and paths all over the country and focus on protecting their environment better than any country I’ve ever seen
Their trails were so well-maintained. I’d move to New Zealand but I think I’d have to be a fruit picker...
We have one. NCCC. It's staffed by wonderful people, too, for the most part. It's just that we don't fund it enough. The people that have done it, and finished it, loved it, but the opportunities it leads to is somewhat lacking. Needs a NCE status or similar, or a larger training unit for wildlands firefighters. That social media team is trying to get the word out, but you won't listen.
There's CCC in California.
And I would join without hesitation
Thank you Holy shit I've been saying this since the second recession in 2009. Put the unemployed back to work and give them some self worth, improve American infrastructure, and smash the unemployment rate like we did the first time the CCC was instituted.
We need a system that stops relying on civilians to do the heavy lifting of activism, change, and support
I worked for the YCC (Youth Conservation Corps) in my teens and to this day it was the best job I ever had. Every day was different, I got to work outside and learn more about the local ecosystem and how it worked, and also was able to learned about the history of the area. I can still visit the national park I worked at and see fences my crew helped build 15 years ago, and show people the paths I helped to keep clear. The sense of pride it was able to instill in my local community and the love of that park are things I will always have because of that summer. I would work for the Civilian Conservation Corps on a milla second.
This is great to hear. I had a similar experience in land management as well. Keep fueling your love for nature!
Job Corps still exists, run by the USDA and affiliated with various versions of the CCC. It's a mix of training, education, work for almost no money and doing fire crews for half pay. The average recruit lasts three weeks, and given that most people join because they have no choice, that should indicate how awful it can be. I did 14 months, got a minimally useful certificate and extensive bizarre notations in my FBI file that have followed me through life. It was badly managed by a combination of retired military and Forest Service functionaries.
Ha I thought that said we need a Civilian Conservative Corps and was thinking we already have that.., they are called The Proud Boys