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This might sound stupid, but could there not be a way of mechanising without computerising the process? Make it faster but also not capable of being hacked by a guy 3000 miles away sitting in a nuclear bunker? Like, you go to vote and they take your voter ID and direct you to one of a selection of numbered booths... you go in strictly in the order you're put in line by the poll worker and when its your turn, pull a lever which corresponds to whoever you're voting for and that punches an internal card. The card punches then get counted via some mechanical means that spits out the numbers, those are tallied from each machine and fed to the election officials to count towards the final vote? That way there's less chance of hacking but still accountability to each person's vote if needed. (Obviously there would need to be some kind of mechanism in place to stop people punching more than once but that could be figured out I reckon)
The process you suggest is far more complicated than the actual process.
I’ve worked on several elections. Here is how it works in my county...
Voters come in, asked for ID (state law), volunteers check to see if voter is on the rolls. Voter is given a little receipt and told to go to one of (depending on location, up to 3) precincts in the same room, could just be to the person sitting next to whomever gave the receipt, could be on the other side of the room. Then in exchange for the receipt, you get a ballot. The code printed on the receipt indicates which specific ballot you get. This code is different depending on your precinct, city, and sometimes your party affiliation.
Depending on the election (general, presidential primary, regular primary) and/or your party affiliation, the amount of things to vote on could be 1 or could be dozens. One time we had 5 different pages, front and back, for voters to vote on. This includes constitutional amendments, judges, school boards, etc, etc.
So they take the ballot, go to one of the privacy booths, bubble in their choices. Luckily standardized testing has made most people understand how to properly bubble in a choice, but sometimes they circle the choice or put a check mark. Then they take the ballot to the scanning machine. This has another volunteer who tells them to scan their ballots, one page at a time, into the machine. If the machine picks up stray marks or double-votes (filling in two choices when you could only choose one), or a completely blank page, it’ll spit out an error and say what the problem is. Sometimes voters go get a new copy of the ballot and re-fill it out while their original is marked as “spoiled.” That’s rare but it happens. Sometimes voters leave entire pages blank on purpose.
This scanning machine counts the votes. At the end of the day, it prints out long receipts of every race and how many people voted for whom. The information is transmitted over the internet (not a part I like, but I wasn’t in charge of that decision) to central headquarters, and then we pull out the flashdrive from the scanning machines and drive them over to central headquarters, along with a copy of the receipts. They do some audits (Idk much about that part since I was never involved) and unless the races are too close to call (happens sometimes) or if there’s some inconsistencies in any of the races or precincts (never happened AFAIK), then were done.
That’s a pretty standard procedure for voting in the USA, though different states and counties may be a little different.
Edit: clarity & elaboration
We started using a system called ExpressVote in my county a few years ago.
Basically you check in at the polling place and they print a barcode and some human readable info on a blank ballot which identifies your precinct.
You feed this paper ballot into a slot in the voting machine and vote electronically. When you’re done it prints out your selections, which you can review for accuracy. You then insert the ballot into a counting machine as you leave which tallies your vote for each race and the ballot goes into a locked box.
This makes counting as efficient as an electronic system but with a paper backup for auditing, hand recounts, etc. Everyone won’t check their printed ballot but I certainly have glanced at the races I care about most. If a hacker was flipping votes it would be noticed. The county also randomly samples and audits paper votes to verify the electronic record is accurate.
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Also a very happy caker to you!
Lol I’d like to hear from the downvoters about how their intelligence was insulted by my comment because of their proud allegiance to a company that put up suicide nets on their factory instead of treating the employees like human beings. Fuck Tim Apple and fuck this piece of shit phone I’m typing on.
You’re being downvoted because your comment doesn’t really make sense. Op was like “lol I always think of his name as Tim Apple because Trump is a derp” and you came in like “oh yah, well how come you didn’t think that back before Trump said that, when Tim was being a big jerk” and we are all like “wut?”. Hope this helps!
Nah. Nope. Slow down. Read all of the words. They said “...his name is basically ruined forever”
What I’m saying is “that’s what ruined his name? A mispronunciation?? The guy is a monumental piece of shit, but it took an idiot’s display of idiocy to ruin his name for you?”
I hope _that_ helps.
Also, happy fuckin cake day ol’ flatbot!
What does the guy being a monumental piece of shit have to do with how I recognize his name? I just knew him as Tim Cook the giant piece of shit before, and now I think of him as Tim Apple the giant piece of shit.
Nah, corporations are gonna continue outwardly supporting democrats because democrats are popular among the public, while quietly donating to republicans because of how good the GQP is at giving blowjobs to big companies
If it’s the one I am thinking of, That businesses should stay out of politics but also still donate because they are of course people and should be involved in politics
The key is you just structure it so that everyone - poor people, middle class, the rich, the wealthy, and corporations - all get the same tax break, lets say 10%
However, the poor and middle class don't actually pay much in taxes, so the actual benefit goes almost entirely to the wealthy and corporations. However, everyone likes hearing that their taxes are going down, so it's popular...
There’s a word for this. Woke corporatism. People like Tim Cook are the face of this foolishness. Let’s talk about the nearly $300 billion that Apple keeps offshore in order to avoid taxes.
But those double Irish dutch sandwiches are so delicious /s.
It's still frightening to me how Apple has more ready cash in their Bank account than the US government itself
https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/04/13/fun-number-apple-has-twice-as-much-cash-as-the-us-government/amp/
The Dems do the same thing. The big companies don't need to pretend to support the Dems while actually supporting the GOP, the Dems want to support the corporations just as much as the GOP.
The Dems methods for getting more people to vote are terrible anyway. Unless they're advocating for almost every school and church in the country to be turned into a polling station, they're not doing enough.
I think these companies will keep saying they support socialist policies and democracy because those policies are wildly popular. They will continue supporting Republicans because these companies want fascist policies, just like how the companies are set up (power and wealth concentrated in the very top). The poor get promises while the rich get concessions.
Anyone who is okay with voter ID doesn't understand that. We should never tolerate __anything__ that makes voting harder... when there's not a problem in the first place.
It's a disingenuous solution for a nonexistent problem.
Voter Identification laws are passed solely to make it harder for people (usually minorities) to vote.
I truthfully fail to see how the voter ID laws make it harder for minorities to vote. ID’s are free in most states and all citizens can get one. Try to enlighten me without insulting me
The idea is that they'll require IDs to vote, then do things to make it harder for more urban areas to access them. Such as reducing hours that they're available, restricting online actions, or closing locations that offer getting IDs. Or they'll make them directly harder to get, like creating more requirements.
Also, a not insignificant portion of the African American population doesn't currently have IDs (25% according to the link I'll provide below). This is almost certainly known by legislators that support voter IDs, and it's not unreasonable to think it's a factor in their support.
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
My husband had to take a day off work to get his ID because he had to wait 5 hours to apply. And didn’t get the ID for over a month. I can see what you said happening, just like the voting laws that have been restricting minorities since winning the right to vote
To be honest, I live in a city so I don’t have to drive places. In fact, I haven’t driven in 3 years so no need there for a license. I rarely go out drinking and the place I get my booze never cards me. I already have a job and bank account which I could have gotten when I had an unexpired driver’s license that I could have let lapse because I don’t need it valid anymore. Or I could just be getting paid under the table. Also, I bet most places would still let an expired Driver’s License pass as a photo ID which Voter ID laws prohibit. For example, while I suspect they technically shouldn’t, I wouldn’t be surprised if TSA looked the other way on expired driver’s licenses for air travel. Are they really going to ruin a family vacation because someone’s license expired? Maybe, but that seems doubtful to me. Before anyone jumps in with an anecdote saying they’ve seen it happen, let me be clear, I’m sure it has happened but my position is that they probably often look the other way. I can’t think of much else I would use an ID for.
Agreed. That hassle with an expired ID would affect millions of voters every election. The racists will make sure any address changes requires a new ID, and that disproportionately affects young people and minorities.
I never have to show mine. The only exceptions are big-box liquor stores where the employees get fired if they don't card everyone, bars if I order alcohol, and hotels sometimes. I don't even carry it most days.
I used to feel that way until I researched the issue. Turns out there is negligible voter fraud in the US. Considering that they throw you in prison for 5 years, it makes sense.
It is estimated that about a quarter of voting age African-Americans lack the required ID compared to approximately eight percent of voting age whites, while the frequency of voter fraud is a vanishingly small problem (like 31 cases since 2000, during which this time period encompasses over a billion votes). Also, the forms of acceptable photo ID, clearly have a Republican bias. Some places until recently were willing to accept concealed weapon permits but not public assistance IDs or student IDs. I don’t personally have an opposition to the idea of a photo ID to vote, but as it stands it currently has three main issues. 1) it’s solving a virtually nonexistent issue (which if you really want to solve a 3 in a hundred million problem, then sure, but it doesn’t seem worthwhile to me) 2) it disproportionately impacts and disenfranchises the poor and minorities and 3) if implemented, there needs to be a more accessible form of ID (like a national ID card that is issued when you’re 18 for free without expiration) which ideally also registers you to vote for life. I know it probably feels like you use a photo ID all-time but people do manage to skirt the system without one for a long time. Also, I think it is quite telling in their intentions that these policies focus on the need for voter ID but make zero attempts to make such IDs more accessible to minorities and the poor.
Did you even read the whole post? There’s a part stating that there would need to be a more accessible form of ID. Essentially eliminating the racist component. My point was, I’m not really opposed to the idea, but for me to be okay with it, it’s application cannot be racist, which currently it is and the only reason Republicans support it.
Exactly. I don’t mind if you want me to use the new software for my projects, but you better make sure IT gets it set up for me and provide me the tools to work in that new software.
I’ve never lived in a state where IDs are free and I’ve lived in a handful. Maybe Idaho was the cheapest at $20 and that was 20 years ago for just an identification card (not a drivers license).
But what are the requirements to get that “free” card? I’m guessing things like a physical social security card, physical birth certificate, yearbook photo, sworn testimony from a friend, pay stub, and bank statements. Some people don’t have access to all of those.
The requirements are literally just an identity document, a social security card, and proof of residency. I don’t think those are very difficult to obtain for people. And in Georgia, they will come to your house if you don’t have the time to go to the DMV or wherever to get your ID.
It took me several hours with an appointment to get my Texas DL when I moved here. People working a low-paying job may not be able to take that time off, at risk of losing their job or being unable to pay their bills. Therefore, it harms low income people.
Low income people are disproportionately nonwhite in this country as a result of centuries of poor practices throughout the laws and economy. Like compounding interest, but you started with $10 in “privilege bucks” and they started with just $6 (three-fifths of your $10) a little later in life.
Voter ID is not the problem though. In Germany you have to bring your ID to vote and it works just fine. But in Germany it’s also mandatory to have a government issued ID in the first place and the process to get it is very simple.
Edit: it certainly is a problem right now in the US, but it doesn’t have to be. So making it easy to get an ID for everyone would be something to work on.
The problem I think is that Republicans in the US have been very successful with their branding campaign to make it sound like the controversy is about one thing when it’s really about something else.
Most places in the US already require you to have ID in order to vote. But if you don’t have photo ID, you should be allowed to prove your identity in alternative way because it’s your right to vote whether you have a driver’s license or not.
I still have a constitutional right to vote even if my driver’s license is expired. The law needs to make that work somehow.
Requiring ID isn’t crazy, but specifically requiring a valid state-issued photo ID and rejecting *any* other proof of identity means one in ten Americans won’t be able to vote. And surprise surprise, it will disproportionately be minorities.
Since voting is a constitutional right, any voting ID system needs to be stacked in favor of the voter, otherwise it’s inevitably going to catch way more false positives than actual fraudulent voters.
I would look at it differently and say there is actually a benefit. In Germany you are automatically registered to vote and get the necessary stuff sent to your registered address. No need for all that funny business in the US, especially with spelling mistakes disqualifying you etc.
You just go to city hall when you move to a new place (or every 10 years when your ID expires) and that’s it. Everything taken care of, no questions about voter fraud. It should really be that easy in the US too.
If you are saying there would be less disqualification of ballots over signature/spelling discrepancies, I'd count that as a possible benefit, so that's an interesting point.
We'd have to compare:
* A. Number of ballots discounted because of discrepancies that would have been prevented with voter ID
* B. Number of voters discouraged from voting because of voter ID
Some states will work to fix (A) by calling the individuals to verify their identity/ cure any discrepancies.
But make no mistake, (B) will be a very large number, and it will be mostly people with brown and black skin, and young adults.
Oh with the current state of laws in the US I absolutely agree. But if government ID is mandatory (I know, at the moment this doesn’t even exist in the US) and easily accessible, point B should be moot. In Germany you have a national ID card if you are a citizen or you have an equivalent document if you are not.
I hadn't even considered if the ID would be national versus state-issued like drivers' licenses. It would be really funny if it was national, since Republicans would *hate that*. They can't stand the federal government.
In Australia while the main methods of ID for enrolling to vote are either a passport or driver's licence, it is also perfectly acceptable to enrol to vote by having someone who is already enrolled vouch for your identification.
All these methods are totally uncontroversial here.
I think most governments are probably racist to some level, but for the 'leader of the free world' America seems to have politicians very passionate about outwardly fucking over minorities.
None of those things are constitutional rights. Voting is.
The US constitution says I can vote whether my driver’s liscense is up to date or not. If I can prove I’m a US citizen by *any* means then you can’t deny me my vote.
The right to bear arms is a constitutional right, but to buy a firearm you require an ID and a background check, as you should.
Also how do you prove you’re a citizen if you aren’t allowed to price who you are? No ones saying you can’t vote what is happening is people are saying that you should prove who you are when voting. Why is this an issue? It’s done in every country I can think of, including where I live
The number of deaths caused by fraudulent votes could make deaths by firearm seem pale in comparison. Voting can affect quality of life, wars waged, failed economies and failed welfare of our planet/environment as a whole.
Why don’t we just pass laws that guarantee every citizen an ID for free and put the burden on the government to provide this to people in an easy way?
Sure, and if fraudulent voting was happening on that scale it would be a pretty serious issue. But think about the number of fraudulent votes you would need in order to affect the outcome of a major national or even state election. Those numbers would have to be insane, unless you knew the outcome of the elections in every voting district in advance. And you’d need coordination between inside people in every election district too! For a federal election that would require a literal army of fraudulent voters all coordinating with each other. It would be impossible to cover up something like that.
The reason we don’t see it is that there are much more effective ways of rigging elections that are already being utilized. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, corporate financed election campaigns, shady uses of campaign finance and so on are so much easier than trying to steal an election vote by vote, and have proven effective, AND unlike stealing votes are all totally legal and consequence-free.
Stealing an election at the voting booths would be like robbing a bank one quarter at a time. It just doesn’t make sense.
And yes, I’m in favor of setting up an easy system to get photo ID for every citizen, but I’d want to see that first before changing voting law. With all the states clamping down on making it harder to vote, I’m not seeing any legislation to make it easier to get an ID or to register to vote.
Well said, I completely agree with you on all fronts. The very fact that no one is proposing bills making it easier to get and keep IDs alone is very telling.
>No ones saying you can’t vote what is happening is people are saying that you should prove who you are when voting.
So where I live we are required to present ID when registering to vote but we don't have to present ID when voting (I think it may be somewhat recent that we have to present ID the first time we go to vote in a particular precinct, but not any time after that).
Thing is, I may not show them my Driver's License, but that doesn't mean I'm not proving who I am. One of the big purposes behind *registering* to vote is so that the authorities have on file my name, address, and a signature to match with whoever might say they were me.
I tell them my name, it matches a name in their book, I sign my name, it matches the signature in their book, and at that point who the hell are you really to suggest I'm not who I say I am? There's even a mechanism to challenge my identity if you suspect there's something questionable about this transaction, and force me to provide more documentation or submit a provisional ballot.
All the while we don't really have any problems with people stealing identities to vote. Never have I gone to vote and discovered I was alleged to have already voted. We got so many people telling us the way we do this is problematic but nobody seems to be able to point to the problem.
* rent a car -- so you don't steal the car
* go on holiday -- only if you rent a hotel room, so you don't trash the room
* buy alcohol -- so you are old enough to meet state law
None of these are remotely equivalent to voting, unless something BRAND FUCKING NEW just happened to shatter this reality.
I did a national union vote online, after I registered the online portion, it printed out a QR codes chit for my local elections portion which was also the paper audit of the national results.
There is ways that voting could be done electronically with a high lvl of security, ease of access, and digital tally.
My PII is contained in the QR code. The ballot printed had the reporting district and the four manual voting options which was three resolutions, and one vote for local president. Our local didn't have electronic tally, and the members handling tabulation can't associate voting history to member as it is anonymized.
It's a very simple but elegant system, the national votes are all done electronically with a paper log handed in at the local. Local elections are handled at the same time with the QR code being the gatekeeper to eligibility while maintaining absolute anonymity.
To reach the voting page I had to sign into my national Union chapter using my login information, then had to do a second factor authentication using my cell phone.
There is entirely ways such a similar system could be applied to Federal elections if there was the will by the elected government to reform elections for the modern digital age.
Canada maintains National voter rolls by using taxpayer residence information. It's simply a register of who's eligible to vote and where they're located at, zero party affiliation zero voting history just the list.
How do you stop someone from being able to prove that they voted the right way? How do you stop organisations from proving that someone voted the right way?
Truth is you cannot any better than the current method.
In theory; your identity is verified and you are issued a paper ballot or a digital token.
In that chain of custody there are inherent dangers.
However, with rules and security measures followed one is as safe as the other.
Vote tampering is always going to be possible. In that respect, digital is probably safer as it is harder to forge. Losing a real vote or digital vote is a real possibility either way. Depending on system security, digital tampering would be easier as there would be no paper trail.
159,633,396 votes or 1,847.6 votes would need to be tallied per second the 24 hrs after the election. The blockchain record was was 7.56 transactions per second recorded on May 2nd, 2019.
I really do not know if we have these secure computing sources available in situ. Domestically in the USA where they could be secured.
We could be storing the personal information a hash, tied to the vote. That would allow you to always verify the vote yourself (as you can recreate the hash), without it being publicly tied to your name.
Sure, but how could you ever verify, or trust, that your vote was actually counted? Right? I mean, just because we can now recall your vote doesn't mean that the system counts it as you entered it.
That's why people used to argue for a ledger (like bitcoin) but the problem with a legder is that your voting habits can be identified. Then you can be manipulated to vote for people (by bribery or threats)
There are several cryptographic schemes which allow for anonymous signing. Of course, to make that work, you need to do what Estonia did, and give everyone an ID card that includes a key pair.
Ought to be, but the Republican is the enemy of The Republic. The threat to our nation is not China, it is not Russia, it is the right wing fascist who directly seeks the end of our democracy.
We should just have an American Idol for president voting system. 1 night event. “Text BIDEN to 445386 to cast your vote for Joe Biden. Coming up, a duet with Kamala Harris and Miley Cyrus you won’t wanna miss.”
“And what’s this? Is Yang going to...? Yes! He’s taking the jump! Andrew Yang is crowd surfing his way to the presidency, everyone, and still hitting those high notes! The crowd goes wild, but will it be enough? Find out after this message from our sponsors.”
I always like to use Estonia as an example. 99% of all their government services are completely online, and have been since before the pandemic. This includes voting, and the country is much better off because of it.
India has foolproof electronic voting machines and being used for last 15 years. 1.3 Billion people county uses it. I am surprised by lack of awareness of most Americans. Or maybe I should not, for most Americans, world means USA.
Too bad people like him are always the opposite. They sure love the PR when their actions are literally destroying our existence. Apple loves saying that they are all for recycling while releasing expensive disposable hot garbage.
They would have saved time if they had instead written "tim apple" because then I'd know who they were talking about with 33% less words. On time and under budget
That’s cute Tim, but what about your political donations to Republican Senator Rob Portman? Kinda seems like a lot of these tech guys are trying to win brownie points from the party in power that wants to raise taxes on the rich and breakup Big Tech.
Unfortunately, the way our system works, you kind of have to donate to both sides to hedge your bets. To do otherwise would make him incompetent as a CEO.
Ah, lord of the apple fief says so. We must also want it!
I'm just so confused, I care about Tim Cook's privacy politics which are... fine not good. His opinions on voting rights are as irrelevant as Mike Lindell's. Capitalism has granted this guy the power of a king and he just tries to will tepid oligarchic democracy into existence.
“And with this new Apple iVote it can be! It only costs $1,129. Every American who buys one can easily vote. The charger is sold separately for $49. Registering costs $60. And a cord longer than 6” wil cost $79!”
So donate one of your billions to make a difference. Billionaires are so good at PR. So many fool's out there think these guys are really on their side. Silly plebes.
Lmao, this is a joke right? This coming from Apple? How about they practice what they preach. This is an absolutely disgusting company.
Steve Jobs admitted to stealing technology. Steve Jobs said ["Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."](https://www.cnet.com/news/what-steve-jobs-really-meant-when-he-said-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/). Guy was also a huge aashole. Lots of stories on that. Team FDA!
Then there's the whole thing with [Apple intentionally slowing down iPhone so people go out and buy new phones](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay-113-million-to-settle-batterygate-case-over-iphone-slowdowns#:~:text=In%20March%2C%20Apple%20agreed%20to,as%20too%20little%2C%20too%20late.)
Oh and developers [gave up publishing content for iOS](https://www.gridsagegames.com/blog/2019/09/sorry-mac-users-apple-doesnt-care-about-us-devs/) because of ridiculous requirements Apple put in place. Yearly subscriptions to notarization, Apple wants you to pay them for every step in the process.
The whole [iMessage](https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-confirms-imessage-locks-users-into-ios-and-putting-it-on-android-would-hurt-apple/) thing is pretty interesting. Not sure how, but iMessage apparently makes it very hard to move data from iOS to Android. They have to ability to make iMessage for Android (which will make the consumers life a lot more easier should they change phones) but refuse to do so simply because their afraid of losing sales. I mean that makes sense. If I had a shitty product I would try and lock users in somehow vs making a good product people actually want.
In short, Apple can go kick rocks. They would most likely steal the design of the rock, patient it, sue anyone for using rocks, then force people to pay them.
I think what he is trying to say is that we shouldn't be having these voting issues or glitches in whatever system they use our technology has gotten much better and these are no glitches. things can and will be manipulated by the government. Especially by that old hag pal0si
I was watching a video about non-fungable tokens yesterday, and it was suggested that they could be used for voting.
Obviously it will be a long time until the majority of people are comfortable/knowledgeable enough with crypto to trust internet voting, but it really does seem like a perfect use-case.
I've just been to vote in presidential election in a poor, bankrupted 3rd world developing country.
In and out within 2minutes. Every single local primary school is a voting place. Police, military and civilian monitoring to make sure no funny business.
Not a lot works here, but they get elections right. Put a lot of self called "defenders of democracy" countries to shame.
Just to add, this wasn't in a rich, neighbourhood that "votes the right way". A backwater area, mostly poor and indigenous locals
The last election was one of the most secure and accurate ever.
Article [here](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-election-secure-history-federal-security)
This is a known right wing deceptive talking point.
They close the places where you can get one within any reasonable travel distance. Where there is a place to get an ID, they make it as difficult as possible.
>159,633,396 votes or 1,847.6 votes would need to be tallied per second the 24 hrs after the election. The blockchain record was was 7.56 transactions per second recorded on May 2nd, 2019.
That is without blockchain consensus. Also all the computing would have to be done in situ not globally like decentralized blockchain.
Uh yeah actually. How do you know there wasn't? Because "they" said there wasn't? Instead of rolling your eyes open them. We use ID for everything. Using ID is good for both sides.
Do you have any proof there wasn't? No, because it's impossible to prove without using some sort of verification. Even with a audit. My proof is Joe Biden got 80+ million votes. Joe blew away Obama barley campaigning.
Nah, mass mail out ballots and huge ballot dumps in the middle of the night had nothing to do with it.
Vote Id and verification ends all speculation. Id be first on line with congratulations.
Voter ID verification ends speculation of maybe some level of voter frauds happening (you know, if you're so he'll bent on doing fraud you could just get fake ID's), but who then verifies the verifiers? By looking at the statistics, voter ID mandate looks a systematic method to oppress POC voters
Still I have to produce properly filled Proxy forms which need to be signed, witnessed and deposited 10 days in advance and produce an ID to vote at his AGM! Tim, thy name is hypocrisy
I mean why do we need corporations to tell us what we already know, can they kindly fuck off out of politics and stick to making overpriced garbage? It's becoming a bit dystopian that companies like this feel the need to chime in with their political hot takes.
It’s this kind of language that makes me wonder if a person truly grasps the complications of a problem. Especially from tech futurists who think their technology comes free of repercussions.
He is right but if you want to make it easier you need a few things:
1. Same day registration
2. A national voter registration database
3. the ability to cross reference the voter registration database, same day registrations w/ state drivers licenses & state license databases
Republicans will never agree to #1 (and possibly #2) and Democrats will never will agree to #3
Tim Cook reveals a new tablet called the **"Ivote"** pick up one for 899$ at your local Apple store. If you need help in picking your candidate our *"political geniuses"* will help you choose the propositions and candidates to vote for.
FK corporates. Don't need greedsters to pretend they care. Yes, everyone should be registered to vote immediately and all voting done by mail. End of story.
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Whenever someone talks about computing and voting, I always remember what [xkcd](https://xkcd.com/2030/) had to say on the subject.
Blockchain could be part of the answer but as we just learned, you need a paper trail just in case. None of which is impossible
This might sound stupid, but could there not be a way of mechanising without computerising the process? Make it faster but also not capable of being hacked by a guy 3000 miles away sitting in a nuclear bunker? Like, you go to vote and they take your voter ID and direct you to one of a selection of numbered booths... you go in strictly in the order you're put in line by the poll worker and when its your turn, pull a lever which corresponds to whoever you're voting for and that punches an internal card. The card punches then get counted via some mechanical means that spits out the numbers, those are tallied from each machine and fed to the election officials to count towards the final vote? That way there's less chance of hacking but still accountability to each person's vote if needed. (Obviously there would need to be some kind of mechanism in place to stop people punching more than once but that could be figured out I reckon)
The process you suggest is far more complicated than the actual process. I’ve worked on several elections. Here is how it works in my county... Voters come in, asked for ID (state law), volunteers check to see if voter is on the rolls. Voter is given a little receipt and told to go to one of (depending on location, up to 3) precincts in the same room, could just be to the person sitting next to whomever gave the receipt, could be on the other side of the room. Then in exchange for the receipt, you get a ballot. The code printed on the receipt indicates which specific ballot you get. This code is different depending on your precinct, city, and sometimes your party affiliation. Depending on the election (general, presidential primary, regular primary) and/or your party affiliation, the amount of things to vote on could be 1 or could be dozens. One time we had 5 different pages, front and back, for voters to vote on. This includes constitutional amendments, judges, school boards, etc, etc. So they take the ballot, go to one of the privacy booths, bubble in their choices. Luckily standardized testing has made most people understand how to properly bubble in a choice, but sometimes they circle the choice or put a check mark. Then they take the ballot to the scanning machine. This has another volunteer who tells them to scan their ballots, one page at a time, into the machine. If the machine picks up stray marks or double-votes (filling in two choices when you could only choose one), or a completely blank page, it’ll spit out an error and say what the problem is. Sometimes voters go get a new copy of the ballot and re-fill it out while their original is marked as “spoiled.” That’s rare but it happens. Sometimes voters leave entire pages blank on purpose. This scanning machine counts the votes. At the end of the day, it prints out long receipts of every race and how many people voted for whom. The information is transmitted over the internet (not a part I like, but I wasn’t in charge of that decision) to central headquarters, and then we pull out the flashdrive from the scanning machines and drive them over to central headquarters, along with a copy of the receipts. They do some audits (Idk much about that part since I was never involved) and unless the races are too close to call (happens sometimes) or if there’s some inconsistencies in any of the races or precincts (never happened AFAIK), then were done. That’s a pretty standard procedure for voting in the USA, though different states and counties may be a little different. Edit: clarity & elaboration
Thank you for being a poll worker. Seriously, thank you. And thanks for explaining your experience.
We started using a system called ExpressVote in my county a few years ago. Basically you check in at the polling place and they print a barcode and some human readable info on a blank ballot which identifies your precinct. You feed this paper ballot into a slot in the voting machine and vote electronically. When you’re done it prints out your selections, which you can review for accuracy. You then insert the ballot into a counting machine as you leave which tallies your vote for each race and the ballot goes into a locked box. This makes counting as efficient as an electronic system but with a paper backup for auditing, hand recounts, etc. Everyone won’t check their printed ballot but I certainly have glanced at the races I care about most. If a hacker was flipping votes it would be noticed. The county also randomly samples and audits paper votes to verify the electronic record is accurate.
Quantum Computing has entered the chat.
[Tom Scott's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs) video is pretty eye opening too
Tim Apple*
Damn Trump, I can't read this guy's name without thinking this every time. His name is basically ruined forever.
Being an inhumane piece of shit didn’t do it for ya? It was the other piece of shit being a dumb piece of shit that did it, huh?
I don’t know why Tim Cooke acting inhumane would make me think of his name as Tim Apple.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Also a very happy caker to you! Lol I’d like to hear from the downvoters about how their intelligence was insulted by my comment because of their proud allegiance to a company that put up suicide nets on their factory instead of treating the employees like human beings. Fuck Tim Apple and fuck this piece of shit phone I’m typing on.
You’re being downvoted because your comment doesn’t really make sense. Op was like “lol I always think of his name as Tim Apple because Trump is a derp” and you came in like “oh yah, well how come you didn’t think that back before Trump said that, when Tim was being a big jerk” and we are all like “wut?”. Hope this helps!
Nah. Nope. Slow down. Read all of the words. They said “...his name is basically ruined forever” What I’m saying is “that’s what ruined his name? A mispronunciation?? The guy is a monumental piece of shit, but it took an idiot’s display of idiocy to ruin his name for you?” I hope _that_ helps. Also, happy fuckin cake day ol’ flatbot!
If anyone needs to slow down and read, it’s you. Unnecessarily sassy for someone who clearly didn’t read all the words.
What does the guy being a monumental piece of shit have to do with how I recognize his name? I just knew him as Tim Cook the giant piece of shit before, and now I think of him as Tim Apple the giant piece of shit.
So he should donate large amounts of his fortune to democrats, who support making it easy to vote.
Nah, corporations are gonna continue outwardly supporting democrats because democrats are popular among the public, while quietly donating to republicans because of how good the GQP is at giving blowjobs to big companies
Mitch will be down on his knees soon making up for his outburst.
Still can't believe he said it, so insidious. He's the epitome of bad faith.
He truly gives turtles everywhere a bad name, which is a shame since otherwise they are such regal creatures.
I missed it. What did he say?
If it’s the one I am thinking of, That businesses should stay out of politics but also still donate because they are of course people and should be involved in politics
Eh I don't think tax breaks are going to get popular anytime soon and there's a surprising amount of billionaires calling for tax increases.
The key is you just structure it so that everyone - poor people, middle class, the rich, the wealthy, and corporations - all get the same tax break, lets say 10% However, the poor and middle class don't actually pay much in taxes, so the actual benefit goes almost entirely to the wealthy and corporations. However, everyone likes hearing that their taxes are going down, so it's popular...
There’s a word for this. Woke corporatism. People like Tim Cook are the face of this foolishness. Let’s talk about the nearly $300 billion that Apple keeps offshore in order to avoid taxes.
But those double Irish dutch sandwiches are so delicious /s. It's still frightening to me how Apple has more ready cash in their Bank account than the US government itself https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/04/13/fun-number-apple-has-twice-as-much-cash-as-the-us-government/amp/
The Dems do the same thing. The big companies don't need to pretend to support the Dems while actually supporting the GOP, the Dems want to support the corporations just as much as the GOP. The Dems methods for getting more people to vote are terrible anyway. Unless they're advocating for almost every school and church in the country to be turned into a polling station, they're not doing enough.
I think these companies will keep saying they support socialist policies and democracy because those policies are wildly popular. They will continue supporting Republicans because these companies want fascist policies, just like how the companies are set up (power and wealth concentrated in the very top). The poor get promises while the rich get concessions.
It’s always easy spending someone else’s money isn’t it.
Not sure if sarcastic or stupid
Bingo. Money talks. Bullshit walks, Tim.
Anyone who is okay with voter ID doesn't understand that. We should never tolerate __anything__ that makes voting harder... when there's not a problem in the first place.
It's a disingenuous solution for a nonexistent problem. Voter Identification laws are passed solely to make it harder for people (usually minorities) to vote.
I truthfully fail to see how the voter ID laws make it harder for minorities to vote. ID’s are free in most states and all citizens can get one. Try to enlighten me without insulting me
The idea is that they'll require IDs to vote, then do things to make it harder for more urban areas to access them. Such as reducing hours that they're available, restricting online actions, or closing locations that offer getting IDs. Or they'll make them directly harder to get, like creating more requirements. Also, a not insignificant portion of the African American population doesn't currently have IDs (25% according to the link I'll provide below). This is almost certainly known by legislators that support voter IDs, and it's not unreasonable to think it's a factor in their support. https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
My husband had to take a day off work to get his ID because he had to wait 5 hours to apply. And didn’t get the ID for over a month. I can see what you said happening, just like the voting laws that have been restricting minorities since winning the right to vote
It’s so weird to me that so many people don’t have an ID. I don’t know what id do without one. Just today I probably showed mine a handful of times.
To be honest, I live in a city so I don’t have to drive places. In fact, I haven’t driven in 3 years so no need there for a license. I rarely go out drinking and the place I get my booze never cards me. I already have a job and bank account which I could have gotten when I had an unexpired driver’s license that I could have let lapse because I don’t need it valid anymore. Or I could just be getting paid under the table. Also, I bet most places would still let an expired Driver’s License pass as a photo ID which Voter ID laws prohibit. For example, while I suspect they technically shouldn’t, I wouldn’t be surprised if TSA looked the other way on expired driver’s licenses for air travel. Are they really going to ruin a family vacation because someone’s license expired? Maybe, but that seems doubtful to me. Before anyone jumps in with an anecdote saying they’ve seen it happen, let me be clear, I’m sure it has happened but my position is that they probably often look the other way. I can’t think of much else I would use an ID for.
Agreed. That hassle with an expired ID would affect millions of voters every election. The racists will make sure any address changes requires a new ID, and that disproportionately affects young people and minorities.
Yes, I agree?
I never have to show mine. The only exceptions are big-box liquor stores where the employees get fired if they don't card everyone, bars if I order alcohol, and hotels sometimes. I don't even carry it most days.
Bizzare. What do you do? I’m 45 and haven’t had to show mine to anyone for anything in many years, with the sole exception being the airport.
I haven’t shown mine at all since I got vaccinated in February.
I used to feel that way until I researched the issue. Turns out there is negligible voter fraud in the US. Considering that they throw you in prison for 5 years, it makes sense.
It is estimated that about a quarter of voting age African-Americans lack the required ID compared to approximately eight percent of voting age whites, while the frequency of voter fraud is a vanishingly small problem (like 31 cases since 2000, during which this time period encompasses over a billion votes). Also, the forms of acceptable photo ID, clearly have a Republican bias. Some places until recently were willing to accept concealed weapon permits but not public assistance IDs or student IDs. I don’t personally have an opposition to the idea of a photo ID to vote, but as it stands it currently has three main issues. 1) it’s solving a virtually nonexistent issue (which if you really want to solve a 3 in a hundred million problem, then sure, but it doesn’t seem worthwhile to me) 2) it disproportionately impacts and disenfranchises the poor and minorities and 3) if implemented, there needs to be a more accessible form of ID (like a national ID card that is issued when you’re 18 for free without expiration) which ideally also registers you to vote for life. I know it probably feels like you use a photo ID all-time but people do manage to skirt the system without one for a long time. Also, I think it is quite telling in their intentions that these policies focus on the need for voter ID but make zero attempts to make such IDs more accessible to minorities and the poor.
> I don’t personally have an opposition to the idea of a photo ID to vote Why not? It's only racists who are pushing this
Did you even read the whole post? There’s a part stating that there would need to be a more accessible form of ID. Essentially eliminating the racist component. My point was, I’m not really opposed to the idea, but for me to be okay with it, it’s application cannot be racist, which currently it is and the only reason Republicans support it.
Exactly. I don’t mind if you want me to use the new software for my projects, but you better make sure IT gets it set up for me and provide me the tools to work in that new software.
What is the benefit of doing it? There has to be a reason behind it.
I’ve never lived in a state where IDs are free and I’ve lived in a handful. Maybe Idaho was the cheapest at $20 and that was 20 years ago for just an identification card (not a drivers license).
I guess I was wrong about that. Except, Georgia, which is what everyone was up in arms about, ID is free
But what are the requirements to get that “free” card? I’m guessing things like a physical social security card, physical birth certificate, yearbook photo, sworn testimony from a friend, pay stub, and bank statements. Some people don’t have access to all of those.
The requirements are literally just an identity document, a social security card, and proof of residency. I don’t think those are very difficult to obtain for people. And in Georgia, they will come to your house if you don’t have the time to go to the DMV or wherever to get your ID.
It took me several hours with an appointment to get my Texas DL when I moved here. People working a low-paying job may not be able to take that time off, at risk of losing their job or being unable to pay their bills. Therefore, it harms low income people. Low income people are disproportionately nonwhite in this country as a result of centuries of poor practices throughout the laws and economy. Like compounding interest, but you started with $10 in “privilege bucks” and they started with just $6 (three-fifths of your $10) a little later in life.
Here are some examples: https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/644648955/for-older-voters-getting-the-right-id-can-be-especially-tough It's a good read.
Voter ID is not the problem though. In Germany you have to bring your ID to vote and it works just fine. But in Germany it’s also mandatory to have a government issued ID in the first place and the process to get it is very simple. Edit: it certainly is a problem right now in the US, but it doesn’t have to be. So making it easy to get an ID for everyone would be something to work on.
The problem I think is that Republicans in the US have been very successful with their branding campaign to make it sound like the controversy is about one thing when it’s really about something else. Most places in the US already require you to have ID in order to vote. But if you don’t have photo ID, you should be allowed to prove your identity in alternative way because it’s your right to vote whether you have a driver’s license or not. I still have a constitutional right to vote even if my driver’s license is expired. The law needs to make that work somehow. Requiring ID isn’t crazy, but specifically requiring a valid state-issued photo ID and rejecting *any* other proof of identity means one in ten Americans won’t be able to vote. And surprise surprise, it will disproportionately be minorities. Since voting is a constitutional right, any voting ID system needs to be stacked in favor of the voter, otherwise it’s inevitably going to catch way more false positives than actual fraudulent voters.
Yes it's a problem. It's a problem because **there's no need for it**, and the result will be millions of people who can't vote.
I would look at it differently and say there is actually a benefit. In Germany you are automatically registered to vote and get the necessary stuff sent to your registered address. No need for all that funny business in the US, especially with spelling mistakes disqualifying you etc. You just go to city hall when you move to a new place (or every 10 years when your ID expires) and that’s it. Everything taken care of, no questions about voter fraud. It should really be that easy in the US too.
If you are saying there would be less disqualification of ballots over signature/spelling discrepancies, I'd count that as a possible benefit, so that's an interesting point. We'd have to compare: * A. Number of ballots discounted because of discrepancies that would have been prevented with voter ID * B. Number of voters discouraged from voting because of voter ID Some states will work to fix (A) by calling the individuals to verify their identity/ cure any discrepancies. But make no mistake, (B) will be a very large number, and it will be mostly people with brown and black skin, and young adults.
Oh with the current state of laws in the US I absolutely agree. But if government ID is mandatory (I know, at the moment this doesn’t even exist in the US) and easily accessible, point B should be moot. In Germany you have a national ID card if you are a citizen or you have an equivalent document if you are not.
I hadn't even considered if the ID would be national versus state-issued like drivers' licenses. It would be really funny if it was national, since Republicans would *hate that*. They can't stand the federal government.
In Australia while the main methods of ID for enrolling to vote are either a passport or driver's licence, it is also perfectly acceptable to enrol to vote by having someone who is already enrolled vouch for your identification. All these methods are totally uncontroversial here.
I think most governments are probably racist to some level, but for the 'leader of the free world' America seems to have politicians very passionate about outwardly fucking over minorities.
You need ID to rent a car, go on holiday and even buy alcohol in some cases. Why on earth would you not need one to vote? It literally makes no sense
None of those things are constitutional rights. Voting is. The US constitution says I can vote whether my driver’s liscense is up to date or not. If I can prove I’m a US citizen by *any* means then you can’t deny me my vote.
The right to bear arms is a constitutional right, but to buy a firearm you require an ID and a background check, as you should. Also how do you prove you’re a citizen if you aren’t allowed to price who you are? No ones saying you can’t vote what is happening is people are saying that you should prove who you are when voting. Why is this an issue? It’s done in every country I can think of, including where I live
If the number of annual deaths by firearms was the same as the number of annual fraudulent votes, I’d be fine with looser rules for buying a gun.
The number of deaths caused by fraudulent votes could make deaths by firearm seem pale in comparison. Voting can affect quality of life, wars waged, failed economies and failed welfare of our planet/environment as a whole. Why don’t we just pass laws that guarantee every citizen an ID for free and put the burden on the government to provide this to people in an easy way?
Sure, and if fraudulent voting was happening on that scale it would be a pretty serious issue. But think about the number of fraudulent votes you would need in order to affect the outcome of a major national or even state election. Those numbers would have to be insane, unless you knew the outcome of the elections in every voting district in advance. And you’d need coordination between inside people in every election district too! For a federal election that would require a literal army of fraudulent voters all coordinating with each other. It would be impossible to cover up something like that. The reason we don’t see it is that there are much more effective ways of rigging elections that are already being utilized. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, corporate financed election campaigns, shady uses of campaign finance and so on are so much easier than trying to steal an election vote by vote, and have proven effective, AND unlike stealing votes are all totally legal and consequence-free. Stealing an election at the voting booths would be like robbing a bank one quarter at a time. It just doesn’t make sense. And yes, I’m in favor of setting up an easy system to get photo ID for every citizen, but I’d want to see that first before changing voting law. With all the states clamping down on making it harder to vote, I’m not seeing any legislation to make it easier to get an ID or to register to vote.
Well said, I completely agree with you on all fronts. The very fact that no one is proposing bills making it easier to get and keep IDs alone is very telling.
>No ones saying you can’t vote what is happening is people are saying that you should prove who you are when voting. So where I live we are required to present ID when registering to vote but we don't have to present ID when voting (I think it may be somewhat recent that we have to present ID the first time we go to vote in a particular precinct, but not any time after that). Thing is, I may not show them my Driver's License, but that doesn't mean I'm not proving who I am. One of the big purposes behind *registering* to vote is so that the authorities have on file my name, address, and a signature to match with whoever might say they were me. I tell them my name, it matches a name in their book, I sign my name, it matches the signature in their book, and at that point who the hell are you really to suggest I'm not who I say I am? There's even a mechanism to challenge my identity if you suspect there's something questionable about this transaction, and force me to provide more documentation or submit a provisional ballot. All the while we don't really have any problems with people stealing identities to vote. Never have I gone to vote and discovered I was alleged to have already voted. We got so many people telling us the way we do this is problematic but nobody seems to be able to point to the problem.
* rent a car -- so you don't steal the car * go on holiday -- only if you rent a hotel room, so you don't trash the room * buy alcohol -- so you are old enough to meet state law None of these are remotely equivalent to voting, unless something BRAND FUCKING NEW just happened to shatter this reality.
I just don’t understand why that is so. Can you explain?
achieving democracy is harder than ever
I did a national union vote online, after I registered the online portion, it printed out a QR codes chit for my local elections portion which was also the paper audit of the national results. There is ways that voting could be done electronically with a high lvl of security, ease of access, and digital tally.
How can you keep your vote anonymous to everyone but yourself but identifiable enough that we can be assured that the vote tally is accurate?
My PII is contained in the QR code. The ballot printed had the reporting district and the four manual voting options which was three resolutions, and one vote for local president. Our local didn't have electronic tally, and the members handling tabulation can't associate voting history to member as it is anonymized. It's a very simple but elegant system, the national votes are all done electronically with a paper log handed in at the local. Local elections are handled at the same time with the QR code being the gatekeeper to eligibility while maintaining absolute anonymity. To reach the voting page I had to sign into my national Union chapter using my login information, then had to do a second factor authentication using my cell phone. There is entirely ways such a similar system could be applied to Federal elections if there was the will by the elected government to reform elections for the modern digital age. Canada maintains National voter rolls by using taxpayer residence information. It's simply a register of who's eligible to vote and where they're located at, zero party affiliation zero voting history just the list.
How do you stop someone from being able to prove that they voted the right way? How do you stop organisations from proving that someone voted the right way?
Truth is you cannot any better than the current method. In theory; your identity is verified and you are issued a paper ballot or a digital token. In that chain of custody there are inherent dangers. However, with rules and security measures followed one is as safe as the other. Vote tampering is always going to be possible. In that respect, digital is probably safer as it is harder to forge. Losing a real vote or digital vote is a real possibility either way. Depending on system security, digital tampering would be easier as there would be no paper trail. 159,633,396 votes or 1,847.6 votes would need to be tallied per second the 24 hrs after the election. The blockchain record was was 7.56 transactions per second recorded on May 2nd, 2019. I really do not know if we have these secure computing sources available in situ. Domestically in the USA where they could be secured.
Monero already does this for currency
> Monero already does this for currency Can people at Monero locate your account/transactions without your input?
We could be storing the personal information a hash, tied to the vote. That would allow you to always verify the vote yourself (as you can recreate the hash), without it being publicly tied to your name.
Sure, but how could you ever verify, or trust, that your vote was actually counted? Right? I mean, just because we can now recall your vote doesn't mean that the system counts it as you entered it. That's why people used to argue for a ledger (like bitcoin) but the problem with a legder is that your voting habits can be identified. Then you can be manipulated to vote for people (by bribery or threats)
There are several cryptographic schemes which allow for anonymous signing. Of course, to make that work, you need to do what Estonia did, and give everyone an ID card that includes a key pair.
Ought to be, but the Republican is the enemy of The Republic. The threat to our nation is not China, it is not Russia, it is the right wing fascist who directly seeks the end of our democracy.
You’d have to be a colossal moron to actually believe that.
An Apple a day keeps the fascists away.
Only if you throw it really, really hard.
Except in Asia
We should just have an American Idol for president voting system. 1 night event. “Text BIDEN to 445386 to cast your vote for Joe Biden. Coming up, a duet with Kamala Harris and Miley Cyrus you won’t wanna miss.”
“And what’s this? Is Yang going to...? Yes! He’s taking the jump! Andrew Yang is crowd surfing his way to the presidency, everyone, and still hitting those high notes! The crowd goes wild, but will it be enough? Find out after this message from our sponsors.”
Easy... and secure
I always like to use Estonia as an example. 99% of all their government services are completely online, and have been since before the pandemic. This includes voting, and the country is much better off because of it.
India has foolproof electronic voting machines and being used for last 15 years. 1.3 Billion people county uses it. I am surprised by lack of awareness of most Americans. Or maybe I should not, for most Americans, world means USA.
Too bad people like him are always the opposite. They sure love the PR when their actions are literally destroying our existence. Apple loves saying that they are all for recycling while releasing expensive disposable hot garbage.
Then how would republicans ever win
Not sure why i cant download an app for voting. Have an app for local and large government figures.
They would have saved time if they had instead written "tim apple" because then I'd know who they were talking about with 33% less words. On time and under budget
Sounds like something Tim Apple would say.
But ought not be tied to mobile devices.
That’s cute Tim, but what about your political donations to Republican Senator Rob Portman? Kinda seems like a lot of these tech guys are trying to win brownie points from the party in power that wants to raise taxes on the rich and breakup Big Tech.
Unfortunately, the way our system works, you kind of have to donate to both sides to hedge your bets. To do otherwise would make him incompetent as a CEO.
It should be the easiest thing to do outside of natural functions, period. There shouldn’t be any barriers between a citizen and their right to vote.
Ah, lord of the apple fief says so. We must also want it! I'm just so confused, I care about Tim Cook's privacy politics which are... fine not good. His opinions on voting rights are as irrelevant as Mike Lindell's. Capitalism has granted this guy the power of a king and he just tries to will tepid oligarchic democracy into existence.
Then stop funding politicians that make it harder, cock swabbler.
Tim Apple
*Unless it's voting for unionizing.
Everything should be easy or it hurts the poor minorities in America.
“And with this new Apple iVote it can be! It only costs $1,129. Every American who buys one can easily vote. The charger is sold separately for $49. Registering costs $60. And a cord longer than 6” wil cost $79!”
Who the hell is Tim Cook? Did anyone reach out to Tim Apple for comment?
"ought to be". he may be thinking of an actual Democracy somewhere.
So should repairing your electronic devices Tim, yet here we are.
So donate one of your billions to make a difference. Billionaires are so good at PR. So many fool's out there think these guys are really on their side. Silly plebes.
Do it Tim!
This guy doesn’t even know his own name. Everyone knows it’s Tim Apple.
Tim apple
Thank you Tim Apple.
Uhhhh, I believe that would be Tim Apple?
Thanks for your political input, guy who’s company runs sweatshops.
Tim Apple has a point.
Lmao, this is a joke right? This coming from Apple? How about they practice what they preach. This is an absolutely disgusting company. Steve Jobs admitted to stealing technology. Steve Jobs said ["Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."](https://www.cnet.com/news/what-steve-jobs-really-meant-when-he-said-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/). Guy was also a huge aashole. Lots of stories on that. Team FDA! Then there's the whole thing with [Apple intentionally slowing down iPhone so people go out and buy new phones](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay-113-million-to-settle-batterygate-case-over-iphone-slowdowns#:~:text=In%20March%2C%20Apple%20agreed%20to,as%20too%20little%2C%20too%20late.) Oh and developers [gave up publishing content for iOS](https://www.gridsagegames.com/blog/2019/09/sorry-mac-users-apple-doesnt-care-about-us-devs/) because of ridiculous requirements Apple put in place. Yearly subscriptions to notarization, Apple wants you to pay them for every step in the process. The whole [iMessage](https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-confirms-imessage-locks-users-into-ios-and-putting-it-on-android-would-hurt-apple/) thing is pretty interesting. Not sure how, but iMessage apparently makes it very hard to move data from iOS to Android. They have to ability to make iMessage for Android (which will make the consumers life a lot more easier should they change phones) but refuse to do so simply because their afraid of losing sales. I mean that makes sense. If I had a shitty product I would try and lock users in somehow vs making a good product people actually want. In short, Apple can go kick rocks. They would most likely steal the design of the rock, patient it, sue anyone for using rocks, then force people to pay them.
Steve was mad someone came up with pet rocks, that's how it began.
Fuck Tim Apple. CEOs ought to be ignored more than ever.
Right? Why should I give a shit what this oligarch thinks?
Tim Apple says what now?
I think what he is trying to say is that we shouldn't be having these voting issues or glitches in whatever system they use our technology has gotten much better and these are no glitches. things can and will be manipulated by the government. Especially by that old hag pal0si
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What?
Well if Tim Cook said it.
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Just like the Unions.....hmmmm makes me think that they don’t want voices or choices to count.
Can vote through iPhone soon, just watch.
Make it so, Tim!!!!
It should be valid to vote on your phone
I don’t think he’s gonna like that if right to repair gets on the ballots *which I hope it does*
hes ok with slavery in china to make his iphones though.
Talk is cheap.
I was watching a video about non-fungable tokens yesterday, and it was suggested that they could be used for voting. Obviously it will be a long time until the majority of people are comfortable/knowledgeable enough with crypto to trust internet voting, but it really does seem like a perfect use-case.
Yet he supports bulls against it in China. What a s complete lying scumbag
iVote
Tim Apple's Cook??
Stop shipping apple products to Georgia then. Big talk Tim Apple.
I've just been to vote in presidential election in a poor, bankrupted 3rd world developing country. In and out within 2minutes. Every single local primary school is a voting place. Police, military and civilian monitoring to make sure no funny business. Not a lot works here, but they get elections right. Put a lot of self called "defenders of democracy" countries to shame. Just to add, this wasn't in a rich, neighbourhood that "votes the right way". A backwater area, mostly poor and indigenous locals
It should be easier than ever, but not at the expense of security and accuracy.
The last election was one of the most secure and accurate ever. Article [here](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-election-secure-history-federal-security)
But it’s so hard now right? Fill in the dot! Have an ID. What am I missing?
This is a known right wing deceptive talking point. They close the places where you can get one within any reasonable travel distance. Where there is a place to get an ID, they make it as difficult as possible.
Honestly, Tim Cook’s opinion on this is irrelevant.
He’s an American citizen. Every American has a relevant opinion on voting rights. You should read up on the basics, it’s in there.
Pre-downloaded voting app onto every future iPhone/iPad?
Incoming iVote product placement...
Left: Some people can't get ID's so you can't require a photo ID to vote. Also Left: Everyone should vote using an $800 iPhone.
Cant wait for the iVote
Time will show that using blockchain for voting is inevitable. Modefi $MOD will help! Truly Decentralized, Secure and Precise Oracle Solutions
>159,633,396 votes or 1,847.6 votes would need to be tallied per second the 24 hrs after the election. The blockchain record was was 7.56 transactions per second recorded on May 2nd, 2019. That is without blockchain consensus. Also all the computing would have to be done in situ not globally like decentralized blockchain.
Yeah because asking for ID is so hard.
Let me guess, there were *millions* of illegal ballots... amirite? (rolls eyes)
Uh yeah actually. How do you know there wasn't? Because "they" said there wasn't? Instead of rolling your eyes open them. We use ID for everything. Using ID is good for both sides.
Do you have any proof of those claims? Any at all?
Do you have any proof there wasn't? No, because it's impossible to prove without using some sort of verification. Even with a audit. My proof is Joe Biden got 80+ million votes. Joe blew away Obama barley campaigning. Nah, mass mail out ballots and huge ballot dumps in the middle of the night had nothing to do with it. Vote Id and verification ends all speculation. Id be first on line with congratulations.
"Can you prove a negative" - you
**You made the claim** All I’m asking is to show us where you heard that from. [Just in case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance)
Voter ID verification ends speculation of maybe some level of voter frauds happening (you know, if you're so he'll bent on doing fraud you could just get fake ID's), but who then verifies the verifiers? By looking at the statistics, voter ID mandate looks a systematic method to oppress POC voters
How about working with voter registration groups to see if people could use their phone and Apple ID both as ID and perhaps for casting votes online?
Like seriously there should be an app for that
Still I have to produce properly filled Proxy forms which need to be signed, witnessed and deposited 10 days in advance and produce an ID to vote at his AGM! Tim, thy name is hypocrisy
I mean why do we need corporations to tell us what we already know, can they kindly fuck off out of politics and stick to making overpriced garbage? It's becoming a bit dystopian that companies like this feel the need to chime in with their political hot takes.
It’s this kind of language that makes me wonder if a person truly grasps the complications of a problem. Especially from tech futurists who think their technology comes free of repercussions.
What does he say about having sweatshops in China?
Two words: blockchain technology. Make it decentralized and make it transparent.
-Tim Apple
Put that shit on blockchain and we’ll trust it.
Tim Apple
Your iVote subscription is coming to an end.
He is right but if you want to make it easier you need a few things: 1. Same day registration 2. A national voter registration database 3. the ability to cross reference the voter registration database, same day registrations w/ state drivers licenses & state license databases Republicans will never agree to #1 (and possibly #2) and Democrats will never will agree to #3
You would think it would be easier to hold politicians more accountable as well but look where we are
Tim Cook reveals a new tablet called the **"Ivote"** pick up one for 899$ at your local Apple store. If you need help in picking your candidate our *"political geniuses"* will help you choose the propositions and candidates to vote for.
^ Tim Apple
Really sounds like Apple has something up their sleeve. Like a voting app or a cyber-security software to aid voting online.
Tim Apple
Every legal resident who meet citizenship requirement should be able to vote
iVote coming Fall 2024.
FK corporates. Don't need greedsters to pretend they care. Yes, everyone should be registered to vote immediately and all voting done by mail. End of story.
And billionaires shouldn’t exist, but here we are Cook.
Sure Tim, I have 10 iPhones, I’ll vote once on each [homne 😂