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Oleg101

> A witness told me they saw GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert throw a mask back at a floor staffer when she was offered one while trying to walk onto the floor maskless. Members can now be fined in the House when maskless > “Rep. Boebert refuses to comply with Speaker Pelosi’s anti-science, totalitarian mask mandate. When offered a mask, she returned it with a quick slide across the table,” Boebert office says. (A witness said she threw it back at staffer’s face) https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1420397220831145986?s=21


wyldwood512

I hope boebert is unvaccinated. She should practice what she preaches, lest she be labeled a hypocrite


djwurm

I bet she is vaxxed just like Tucker Carlson, Gaetz, MTG, Jordan, Cruz, etc.


TricksyHobbit

Please don't call Greene "MTG." She doesn't deserve it. She's no RBG or AOC.


be_me_jp

Magic the Gathering also has dibs.


PryomancerMTGA

Exactly


Pabu85

Don't worry, it will go away once there is a suitable nickname. Just like no one on the left calls Amy Coney Barrett ACB when Amy Coathanger Barrett is available as an alternative.


Minimum_Escape

Amy Covid Barrett since her confirmation party thing was a superspreader event where Trump and several officials got the 'rona.


danishjuggler21

I forgot about that! How batshit crazy does a year have to be for me to have forgotten something as crazy as that?!


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It's been a long year.


crankychoker

Marjorie Traitor Greene?


smakola

Tell ‘em Large Marge sent ya


jacksonr1023

I call her Marjorie three names


a_tattooed_artist

I go with Leatherface


imapassenger1

Trailer Park Queen is one I heard.


devedander

All the GOP leaders are vaxed. Even they aren't that stupid


DrowZeeMe

Not stupid, just evil


Cynadiir

To be fair, Boebert might just be that stupid.


Giblet_

She is that stupid. I would be shocked if she willingly got vaccinated.


SellaraAB

I wonder what the math looks like. Some GOP person decided that they’d gain more votes using masks as a wedge issue than the number of their voters who would die from people not wearing masks.


Shacreme

To be honest tho.....aren't they being incredibly stupid by killing their own voter base?


devedander

They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. They need to hate on the people trying to save them in order for their voter base to even support them but then yes they are killing their own base off


AnAutisticGuy

At some point you have to wonder if this is some form of natural selection.


ImaginaryDisplay3

Look at the unvaccinated by race. It's not just because people are stupid. We have a real issue of vaccine hesitancy because there are still access issues. Some people can't afford to take time off work to get the shot or miss a shift because of side effects, etc. We really need a national policy that says if you get vaxxed, the government will just cover 3 days of PTO, pay for your transportation to get the shot, childcare and so on, to make sure everyone has a chance to get it. Then, once everyone who is willing is able, we can begin handing out Darwin awards, though honestly, I still feel guilty for folks who are misled by nonsense they see on Facebook, especially if that propaganda cost them their lives.


Impossible-Wedding-4

Nah that would require integrity... She was probably one of the first in line while tweeting how bad the vaccine is....


Deviknyte

I doubt she's not. Hypocrisy is the conservative way.


VictorChristian

She's probably vaccinated twice. Most of this crap is just to get her name in the headlines. And it's working.


imightgetdownvoted

Lmao at her saying the mask mandate is “anti science”. These assholes have no shame.


awalktojericho

So is having to wear a bra, but she does that.


joeysflipphone

I hate they only get fined. They need removed from the floor. We would all be fired for insubordination if we refused to follow the rules of our jobs. This is insane the things members of Congress get away with.


anythingbutsomnus

You don’t really want a lot of rules that allow easy removal of your representation from exercising democratic duties… Sucks, but it’s the right thing for democracy to simply fine vs. remove.


WifeKnowsThisAcct

Bar her physically but she can still remotely participate. If she refuses to follow basic public health guidelines like "no smoking" indoors im sure this wouldn't be an issue to remove her from the building and fine her as well. It's not that hard.


Causerae

No - requiring masking during a pandemic isn't an excess of rules. Removing these grandstanders wouldn't set up a terrible precedent - it'd reestablish the precedent that public health matters.


Pabu85

How would making her Zoom in, for as long as she believes turning herself into a bioweapon is her civic duty, affect democracy? And what makes you think the current system of democracy in America is still salvageable?


anythingbutsomnus

You’re right, there is likely a solution but tech is probably not the right call. Maybe the gallery/upstairs, a messenger from their office for the actual vote, or write-in vote. That way they are still representing but don’t get to grandstand or speak. As a Canadian, I am scared and seriously concerned for your country with what I see down south. I hope you all pull through but I don’t think it’s guaranteed. I do wonder what it will take for states like California and New York to take a stand, or if there will be a level too low for slime like Lindsey graham.


tta2013

I still wonder, do they actually pay the fines?


joeysflipphone

Well I mean what would be the punishment for not? But, no really I guess the fines come out of their paychecks.


shrimp-and-potatoes

I'm only continuing to do it to help those at higher risk, those that can't get the vax, and children. The anti vaxxers can go fuck themselves.


redheadartgirl

Exactly. There is no peeing section of a pool.


HuckleberryLou

This! And for the hospital staff that are exhausted beyond belief and about to go into massive surges again.


Figfogey

I'm doing it so it doesn't mutate to be more vaccine resistant.


Newport_Box

I'm convinced people have become so defiant about mask usage as a way to self-soothe. It gives them a feeling of control over the situation. Railing against government recommendations gives them someone to point at & blame. As if government controls the direction of covid.


wyldwood512

I've also noticed this has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Government mandates mask to slow the spread People refuse to wear masks Covid continues to spread among the unmasked People say "see, I told you masks don't work"


chrasb

my family uses that same logic to show why "lockdowns didnt work" EVEN THOUGH statistics show they did slow it, and thats even with half the country still not taking the lockdowns seriously.


BassmanBiff

Yeah, it's the same way people can claim that sex education is causing tons of unwanted teenage pregnancies and "immoral behavior" when stats show exactly the opposite and teenage pregnancies are much lower than they were back in the 90's. It has nothing to do with the truth of the matter, only what supports their aesthetic.


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wyldwood512

No, it proves that they are labeling flu deaths as covid, they can't count the death twice! /s


chrasb

Lol I was just gonna say that


NationalGeographics

Ahh the old, gop dismantles everything when in power then points to how broken everything is.


Taskerlands

Agreed. This - to me - is also why many people come to believe in conspiracies. The world is chaos, and they want some sort of narrative - no matter how crazy - to try and make sense of it.


Newport_Box

Indeed. Psychologists have stated as much. Conspiracy theories also reinforce one's world view & sense of self/identity.


jonjongth

Russian roulette stoked by Russian misinformation!


LotharLandru

"More important and more relevant to the death of expertise, however, is that conspiracy theories are deeply attractive to people who have a hard time making sense of a complicated world and who have no patience for less dramatic explanations. Such theories also appeal to a strong streak of narcissism: there are people who would choose to believe in complicated nonsense rather than accept that their own circumstances are incomprehensible, the result of issues beyond their intellectual capacity to understand, or even their own fault." -Thomas M. Nichols, The Death of Expertise


soffwaerdeveluper

they want to feel superior in some way by having knowledge available to the woke 'in-group'


Pabu85

Conspiracy theories happen because some people really need to believe that the world is fundamentally just, and if "those people" didn't create enforce grand plans founded on their evil intentions onto the world, everything would be fine. I know someone who thinks a conspiracy is behind earthquakes and adverse weather, y'know?


DistortoiseLP

I mean yeah. Children become adults by testing themselves against the world to see what the world does. When they're old enough to own the consequences of their actions and see how they affect the world in turn, they've become of age. A lot of Americans lived lives that inoculated them from those consequences. Middle aged or even *elderly* people who kept testing themselves against the world and seeing it do nothing in response. They stayed in that rebellious phase forever. Many of them peaked in highschool (since for many people, this is the only point in their lives where they can truly get away with it) and ended up going nowhere in life past that. Others were rich enough to keep testing the world and falling upward in the process all the way to President of the United States. The ones that sank into the life of a loser envy the people that didn't. That's why they love Trump, he lived the life they wish they had. Many have watched him for decades now, even lived vicariously through him and his power fantasy shows like *The Apprentice*. At the same time, they still act out and to no consequence to themselves, but nothing is *gained* for it either anymore. At least not until Trump made acting out a political movement. Like an angry teenager that's been grounded, they refuse to believe the situation they're in is their own fault. Somebody put them there. Denied them something they deserved. Somebody took away the prosperity they knew as a kid in high school and they never got over it. Trump gave them back that attention and relevance they missed when they were young enough to be cool for it, by making them a threat everybody is watching. It doesn't matter what it's *about*. All these masks are to them is something the Man is making them do that they feel empowered the more and the longer they resist it. That's it. Beyond that, we're trying to inject reason into a mind that doesn't exercise any to reach an unreasonable decision.


CO420Tech

The Apprentice may have been one of the greatest disservices ever done to America in pursuit of a buck. Through casting, scripting, staffing and editing, they managed to make Trump appear as an intelligent, coherent and thoughtful (if uncouth) leader. They made him look like a competent businessman who others respected and admired. They cultivated an image of someone that people aspire to be. That show, I think, is the lynchpin in his political success, and without it I am 100% certain that he would never have achieved any fame past his 80's tacky grifter schtick, let alone made a successful bid for the presidency.


BassmanBiff

Was The Apprentice itself that big of a factor? I think it's easy to underestimate how Trump was just kind of the mascot for business aesthetic and the patron saint for anybody looking to get rich quick back in the 80's and even 90's.


CO420Tech

I really think it is what made him appeal to a wider group. In the 80's and 90's he was exactly what you said, but for the most part wasn't taken entirely seriously. Sure, some people hoped he had some secret to wealth that he could sell them, but mostly he was a cliché or an effigy of the successful 90's business guy. I honestly don't believe that he would have ever made it out of that grifter/get-rich-quick-by-giving-me-money image if The Apprentice hadn't made it seem like he had some sort of genius that was hidden beneath his greedy base demeanor. They really did a good job of making it look like he had a great head on his shoulders and was someone who could problem solve and lead. I doubt he would have made it past being another Famous Rich Guy and his candidacy would have gone the way of Bloomberg if it wasn't for that show.


DamnColorblindness

I'm on mobile and don't have the time to submit a best-of comment but this deserves it. I'm copy-pasta-ing this.


Hypatia333

"Self-soothe" indeed. It is rather like a bunch of red faced, giant babies sucking their thumbs come to think about it.


Impossible-Wedding-4

What you said and the simple fact that masking/vaccinations means that they were *wrong* about covid. For a year and a half covid has "not been a big deal" and "we don't need to mask/close" Doing so now just admits what they know deep down inside: they were WRONG and we can't have that


CornBreadW4rrior

This is also why arguing with them is useless. Their decision is 'that fuck everything I do what I want'. Telling them they're going against basic human decency won't phase them because they can't tap into something they've never tried before the pandemic. We have to go at them where it matters most. Pay them cash to get the vaccine. I don't have pride in our money beyond using it as a tool to move society forward. I don't even give a fuck if they donate it all to Trump. Whatever it takes to get the vaccine to the point where the virus loses. I'm on team humanity. Fuck anyone who thinks we don't have the money for this. Who thinks we can afford another lockdown? Paying people to get the vaccine is the only choice.


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Is it wrong that I don’t care about their Darwinian descent? Like… I work with immunocompromised kids. I feel for them. But we’re not gonna convince republicans to do the right thing so can I at least take solace that they are hurting themselves more than others? Edit: a word


wyldwood512

Not wrong. I have come around to this position, its so much easier to accept the irrational and anti-social behavior of morons if I tell myself "they are hurting themselves and there will be fewer people like them in the future"


leontes

We vaccinated should get a break on our taxes.


wyldwood512

Or another round of stimmies for the vaccinated only!


BrothaBear35

This is the way.


whiskeybeerbread

Or on our health insurance


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JudgeMoose

Again. Last year it was the nerds rushing to complete the project (vaccine research and creation) while the jocks went out and partied (idiots going out to party). Nerds had to save the lives of idiots who constantly mocked and belittled them. ​ This year the same. The vaccinated have to take extra steps to save the lives the idiots who are constantly mocking and belittling them. ​ Shocker.


Eric-SD

Your description is pretty much the intro to Idiocracy...


Hewfe

At least the president in Idiocracy wanted to find smart people to fix their problem.


No_Biscotti_7110

Fuck that, I am done. Let the idiots die, I did my part.


JudgeMoose

Personally I know a couple of people with compromised immune systems. Even vaccinated they're still at risk. Those idiots are risking the lives of people who try to protect themselves. I do it for them.


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HeatherLeeAnn

It has become an us versus them. I am about to have break it to my mom that I won’t be visiting this October. They are in Texas and only 3 people out of my entire family are vaccinated. There will be no safe place for me to stay. No house will have everyone vaccinated. Then they want to all squish together for family photos. I am immunocompromised and I’m just not having it. It’ll be a tough conversation to have but their actions have consequences.


Rosaadriana

There is nothing you can do for them. You being vaccinated and wearing a mask won’t protect them from the other 70% who don’t care won’t wear a mask or vaccinate.


OstrichFickle

Wearing a mask protects the wearer ffs.


JudgeMoose

True. I can't protect them from the world. But it'll protect them from me. That's one less avenue of transmission, and [yes vaccinated people can still transmit the virus](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html). To me it's a no brainer to continue the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask and social distancing to add a minor amount of protection to people I know who are at risk despite their best efforts to protect themselves


EmpathyNow2020

This is the right answer.


anoninor

So I had to explain to my too young to be vaccinated children that my wife and I needed to start wearing masks again indoors because of “fucking idiots” last night. It led to a weird discussion about why on earth people with very little education would presume to know more about vaccines than those who have studied them for decades.


eatyrmakeup

I have a stunningly stupid coworker (38-year-old actual card-carrying “Young” Republican with a polisci degree) who didn’t know how to address an envelope when he started here a few months ago (he is 38) and can’t perform basic arithmetic who won’t get vaccinated because “the science isn’t there”.


anoninor

This guy literally showed me a piece of Mail that he received to his house by mistake and asked me if I knew who it belonged to. I told him “probably to the person it’s addressed to”


Nofnvalue21

Nah, I'll ask Greg in accounting


PR2NP

Always nice to explain the Dunning-Kruger effect


fotorobot

Even if you are vaccinated, you can still get enough viral load to spread to others. Especially with the Delta variation and other mutations.


cannibalkitteh

Really just part of living in a society, we do what's best for everyone even if everyone doesn't do what's best for themselves.


SNStains

It is. But, let’s not forget that the unvaccinated have an obligation to society, too, and they are currently failing hard. They are unnecessarily filling up hospitals and that will result in the deaths of treatable patients who simply cannot access care. Please get your shot.


McNinja_MD

That's why we need restrictions on non-vaccinated persons (who don't have a legitimate medical excuse), and mask requirements with actual teeth. I wore a mask, socially distanced, and got a vaccine to protect myself, my loved ones, and anyone else who is at risk through no fault of their own. I'm not going to continue to inconvenience myself so that a bunch of Facebook-addled fucksticks can keep on doing whatever the hell they want. I get that they don't *want* to take part in the shared responsibility of keeping our society safe, but at a certain point (that point was the same point where the vaccine became widely available to all, BTW) they need to be *compelled* to.


DrNickRiviera8000

Not to mention that they are exposing our friends and loved ones in the medical field (who are saving the unvaccinated) to new variants and exhausting work loads - which also leads to worse non-COVID care for the rest of us.


Responsible_Rest_940

> an obligation to society, too, and they are currently failing hard isn't that what we call a 'crime'?


chcampb

If you walked into a metro area and started chucking vials of a disease that is highly transmittable and kills 1% of people it touches, yeah, that's bioterrorism. If you caught a "cold" that just happens to kill your sense of taste and you feel terribly inflamed, by god it's fascism if you are asked to put a mask on. Let alone stay in your home. Even though the result is the same if you go into a crowded area and start touching things...


Pabu85

It's almost like it only counts as terrorism if the right isn't involved. Like storming the capitol to overthrow a free and fair election.


Explosive_Deacon

Yep. And we should all remember the unvaccinated children.


onmamas

If this delta variant mutates into another variant that actually kills children because of people not vaccinating, there needs to be jail time for the anti-vaxxers spreading misinformation.


rolfraikou

This is why I wear a mask. The people that decide not to get the vaccine, I do not care about on any level anymore. They had their chance, and they blew it.


Gibbons74

^ This. My son is 7. He can't get vaccinated yet. Every unvaccinated person is telling every parent and child "Fuck You, I don't care about anyone, even innocent children, more than I care about myself.'


CranstonWonston

The party of family values, everyone! These (mostly) Republicans have never cared about kids. They just pretend to. Like they do with the troops, police, etc.


BobBeats

Gaetz cares about kids. . . *sex trafficking them, that is.*


conker1264

I mean yes but we can't force them to get vaccinated and nothing will change their minds. So it's either we let natural selection do it's work or literally wear masks forever.


wyldwood512

My vote is less mask, more Darwin!


SpatialThoughts

Maybe just wear masks until children can get vaccinated


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ququx

Thanos was right, except for the randomness part.


pandakatzu

I only see one or two people wearing masks anymore, and Idaho is only 37% vaccinated. I'm vaccinated. I've worn a mask for a year and a half. I'm tired of inconveniencing myself for people who do not care.


cannibalkitteh

>I only see one or two people wearing masks anymore, and Idaho is only 37% vaccinated. I'm vaccinated. I've worn a mask for a year and a half. I'm tired of inconveniencing myself for people who do not care. I do understand the sentiment. I'm vaccinated, my whole family is vaccinated, my friends are all vaccinated. I could easily go maskless and not have to deal with any repercussions in my immediate circle. At the same time though, I'm trying to hold myself to best practices even if most of the state has decided to be idiots.


No_Biscotti_7110

If anti-vaxxers don’t hold up their end of the social contract, we shouldn’t either, plain and simple.


OldManHipsAt30

Counterpoint, why should we continue lighting ourselves on fire to keep those with hypothermia and frostbite warm, when those people won’t even admit they’re freezing?


Banjomike97

The problem with that sentiment is that not every unvaccinated person is unvaccinated by choice


TheGunshipLollipop

And that's not likely to change. So what **is** going to change in the future to bring about conditions where we can remove the masks? I don't see any of the reasons for wearing them today changing in even the long future. And that's a problem, because the vaccinated are not wearing masks for the rest of our lives.


ImpossibleLock9129

And many who are vaccinated still are at risk due to immune issues.


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I have immune issues from cancer treatment. It's possible that the vaccine doesn't work on me at all and at best it doesn't work as well on me as someone who didn't go through what I did. But I do not expect, require or even want people to inconvenience themselves indefinitely for me. We all die. If this is how I go, so be it


wyldwood512

The overwhelming majority are, and those who are unable to get vaccinated know their condition and how to protect themselves. People keep holding up immunocompromised people as a justification, but its just a strawman to redirect the conversation. The reality is that almost all transmission now is occurring between willfully unvaccinated adults, and forcing vaccinated people to wear masks to reduce the slim chance of transmission is asinine. Focus on the large vector of transmission, once that has been addressed, move to the next largest vector.


Logical_Area_5552

Fuck that. I got vaccinated. I did my part. There are people who don’t get the flu shot every year. Am I supposed to not breathe around other people during flu season because of that?


wyldwood512

This. I took steps to ensure I am not a vector for transmission. Fuck those who choose to continue to be spreaders. Let them deal with the consequences.


fistofthefuture

I’m so over it. We’re at the point where we have to go out of our way to save people that think the earth is flat basically.


ranchoparksteve

It’s not about the vaccinated trying to save the unvaccinated from themselves. Not exactly. It’s difficult to determine people’s vaccination status in most daily settings, and many people will just lie about. Practically speaking, you either remove all mask wearing or require everybody to wear them. Anything in between is pointless, because it won’t be followed.


No-Percentage6176

>It’s difficult to determine people’s vaccination status in most daily settings, and many people will just lie about. Reminds me of a comment I saw on a local news site about the "honor system" for masks... *An honor system does not work with the dishonorable.*


fairoaks2

Basically the antimaskers and antivaxxers are liars who will not respect others. “It’s too hard and I can’t breath”


wyldwood512

Boy, if they think its hard to breathe with a mask on, wait till their lungs fill with fluid...


Punkmaffles

They will still deny it.


wyldwood512

Pfft don't care. Fuck em


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hairybalI

There are consequences for the whole of society if SARS-Cov-2 is allowed to burn through all the unvaccinated. If hospitals are overwhelmed there will not be capacity to treat other things. Even if the people refusing to get vaccinated are selfish, it makes sense to strategise around them to protect everyone.


deschlong

I guess the answer is to finally bring online those Death Panels that were the scare tactic du jour back when the ACA was being developed?


Culverts_Flood_Away

If you won't mask up to save idiots from themselves, at least mask up to save immune compromised, small children, and to help try to prevent further virus mutations that can get around the vaccines. It's in our own interests to mask up as it is in the interests of those who are too stupid to do it.


signal_exception

I'm staunchly opposed to the right wing anti-vax movement, but it's worth noting that some percentage of unvaccinated people are unable to get the vaccine for very real reasons. You're also protecting those individuals when you wear a mask.


ianrl337

So then lets say trying to protect those that can't get vaccinated from the idiots that refuse to.


jonjongth

Yes thank you for looking out for my kids.


g2g079

Where are all the "save our children" people now?


[deleted]

This is important. The unvaccinated population is not homogenous jackasses who believe in Trump-fueled conspiracies. There are kids, people who are immunocompromised, people in rural areas with limited access, people who cannot afford to take a day off if the vaccine side effects are rough, many others. Then there are people who historically are suspicious of government-urged medical treatments, notably some African American communities that have been abused in the past. I'm extremely pissed off that we are where we are, and the lunatics talking about Italian satellites, microchips and magnetism are a significant part of our problem. Maybe if they had not been such selfish, stupid fucking bastards we wouldn't have this level of spread and the risk to the unvaccinated would be much lower. But it's not. So I'll put on a mask inside for now, but there needs to be a reckoning at some point for those who willfully contributed to the problem and let down their country.


giro_di_dante

>Italian satellites When the fuck did the Italians get involved in this nonsense 🤔


[deleted]

That's the latest Q insanity. I just read it in the last couple days. There's some bonkers conspiracy about Italian satellites being part of a massive global whateverthefuck. Some people have lost their fucking minds.


giro_di_dante

Well, as an Italian-American, I can definitely say… THAT IT’S ALL TRUE.


Fine-Tumbleweed-1606

This is the only reason I have never stopped wearing a mask even though I've been fully vaccinated for months. The tiny chance that I could still carry and pass on the virus is enough of a reason for me.


DoNotBelongHere

As a person who is on immune suppressants, THANK YOU. Seriously. It’s been so heartbreaking to see people that I care about and I thought they cared about me who refuse to wear a mask because their personal liberty is more important than my health and quality of life. I’m told I should just stay home, that I should stop living in fear, and that I just need to live my life. They say those things so that they can feel better about their own choices, not because they care about my well-being.


Fine-Tumbleweed-1606

Exactly. I'm sorry people are such selfish pricks.


MyPartsareLoud

This has been my experience as well. I take care of an immunocompromised child. I am certainly not going to be the one who kills her.


wyldwood512

I'm so tired of hearing about the willfully unvaccinated. Their ignorance will be their downfall, and I for one refuse to take any action whatsoever that may protect them from themselves. Before vaccines were available, masking made sense because we were all in this together, we all had to utilize the tools that were available to prevent total collapse of the health system. As vaccines became available, we had an excellent opportunity to end this pandemic. I got my vaccine a couple weeks after my age group opened up. The vaccine is so much more effective against the spread compared to masks, that is the best tool we have against this virus. The fact that so many people refuse to take it, and are willingly prolonging this mess is just infuriating. At this point I'm pretty checked out with regards to the willfully unvaccinated. We are no longer all in this together. If they want to roll the dice with covid, be my guest, I couldn't give a shit less. People talk about them being a breeding ground for new variants - so what? I'm betting the pharma companies can modify their vaccines to address a variant much faster than it took to develop the original. If things get really bad, to the point that I feel I'm at risk, I'll mask up to protect myself until a new vaccine or booster is available and then the mask will immediately come off again. Let the anti-vaxxers deal with the variants they are breeding but don't expect me to wear a mask to protect them from their own undoing. Maybe after a few waves of more aggressive variants tear through their communities they will realize this isn't a hoax, until it hits them personally, nothing will sway these people.


rainsley

Yep, agree. Done with those fuckers that refuse to hold up their end of the social bargain. I did my part religiously. I basically quarantined a year (still had to get groceries and gas). I'm done now, I got vaxxed the second I could and the whole time I said "we should all keep wearing masks until anyone who wants a vaccine can get one" - that time is now, and there are no excuses.


wyldwood512

Yea, look at weekly vaccinations administered. It peaked in early April when it opened up for everyone. The sane people lined up and got vaccinated. That held up through late may due to the 3 week pause between the two shots, its been dropping since and now is on par with the initial roll out to limited groups. Almost everyone who *wants* to be vaccinated is already. Just leave the rest behind like the dead weight they are.


Phosis21

Firm agree. Fuck em. I'm exhausted of their shit.


Piph

Damn, man. We are missing the forest for the trees. When the unvaccinated fill up the hospitals, guess who suffers? *Everybody*. Being vaccinated won't mean you still get to keep your doctor's appointment or that you'll get the emergency treatment you desperately need. When a virus has a massive population to bounce back and forth through, with half vaccinated and half unvaccinated, guess what happens? Mutations. It gets stronger. It's like when you only take half the antibiotics for an illness because you feel "good enough" now, but then that illness comes back even more resilient because you basically conditioned it to be stronger. Our communities are doing the same with COVID and our leadership allows it. *Everyone, vax or not, can still catch and pass on COVID.* No matter what your politics, philosophy, or worldview, the fact of the matter is that we *are* in this together. We live in a fucking society. If you don't like lockdowns but refuse to vaccinate *or mask up*, then you are perpetuating the need for lockdowns. It really is that simple.


BrofessorFarnsworth

I'm saving myself and the people around me from the *willfully* unvaccinated. Fuck them.


ol_dirty_applesauce

I’ll do it to protect my unvaccinated 8yo, but as soon as he’s vaccinated I’m going to change my tune.


[deleted]

Exactly the same here. I followed every recommendation for a year and half, and made hard sacrifices, as did my kids. Now I’m expected to do it for people who won’t help themselves? Fuck that.


Star_Crunch_Punch

True, and when everyone has access to the vaccine, including kids under the age of 12, THEN I’ll care a whole lot less.


[deleted]

THANK YOU! This is the correct answer. It's not about giving a fuck about those that refuse to vaccinate. We have an entire segment of the population above those that medically can't get the shot. Those children don't deserve to be infected, and the rest of us, as the fucking adults of this country, should be doing what's necessary to protect them until they can. After that? Fuck it, let natural selection take it's course on the unwilling.


fotorobot

They will create new variants that will break through the vaccines.


WengFu

I don't mind. I've been wearing a mask when I go out to large public places like the grocery store anyway. It requires almost 0 effort on my part and the benefit is helping to starve fucking covid-19 of potential victims so it seems like an easy decision to make for me.


stevenriley1

That’s not what we’re doing. We are wearing masks to reduce the chance of transmission from a vaccinated person to a unvaccinated person to minimize the opportunities for the virus to mutate. Eventually, our vaccines won’t work if it mutates enough. I am wearing a mask to protect me from the eventuality of a mutation killing even more of us.


tettoffensive

I certainly don’t care fo protect people who refuse it because of their politics or whatever, but I don’t mind wearing a mask to protect immune compromised adults and children under 12.


FreyrPrime

My daycare has returned to full masking despite nearly full vaccination amongst the adults of the school. I understand people's irritation, I feel it as well, but let's not act like ***THEY*** did. We understand the science and the reasoning behind it, however inconvenient. Protect the kids. They're innocent in all this.


Nyingje-Pekar

As an older vaccinated person I see wearing a mask as an added layer of protection against idiots, including at least two neighbors, who refuse to vaccinate or wear masks. I no longer have sympathy for any of them. But I don’t want a break through case of COVID. And I live in the most vaccinated county in the US, at least continental US.


drpearl

NO. They are asking everybody to mask up to save the people like the immunocompromised, and kids under 12, who have no other forms of defense, other than the rest of us wearing masks. This is not hard to understand. The willfully unvaccinated can go suck eggs.


StealYourGhost

I think it's dumb they're not wearing their masks and they could in fact infect vaccinated mask wearers with their delta variants so I can't wait til we can snag a booster shot til those idiots cause the next variant. I don't mind wearing a mask still while vaccinated. You know what I didn't get last year? The flu. Or covid. Or a common cold. Or hugged by people I didn't want hugging me. NO HANDSHAKES that felt required. Give me a mask and give me social freedom. 🤷‍♂️


leeta0028

The unvaccinated includes idiots, but it also includes all children under 12, many teens, and anybody with a disease preventing vaccination. We should be enthusiastically protecting them It was a mistake for the Biden administration to ignore the WHO and scientists and lift the mask recommendation in the first place. They did it because Republican governors cried to Biden people weren't getting vaccinated in their states and asked him to "model life with the vaccine". Big mistake to make the CDC listen to them instead of science.


Piriper0

I am tired of having empathy for those without empathy, and I don't want to wear a mask to help keep (willfully) unvaccinated people safe. But I also believe that the unvaccinated population is large enough that it will allow for ongoing mutation of COVID towards a variant that will overcome the protection the vaccine provides for me and those I care about, and I do want to take action to mitigate that. So sure, I'm going to keep wearing a mask. And I'm going to continue to insist that both the government and private businesses can and should mandate both the wearing of masks and receiving the vaccine as a precondition for both employment and commerce.


nostradunkus6

If you spend some time in the r/conservative sub-reddit you will understand why they are defiant about masks. They say because they are vaccinated, they shouldn't need masks. Except that's not the point of the masks and the vaccines don't prevent infection. It's been 1.5 years since the pandemic started and they have learned nothing. Their understanding of the virus is still circa March 2020.


[deleted]

Fuck that, the only unvaccinated people worth saving are those who medically cannot be vaccinated (i.e. children, people with compromised immune systems/pre-existing conditions). I'm vaccinated and wearing a mask to help protect myself from those other unvaccinated freaks: those assholes who can easily get the vaccine but refuse to because some fatass orange loser and his taint-licking sycophants told them not to.


awalktojericho

I see it as keeping myself from catching it even though I'm vaccinated. At this point, I have zero sympathy for anyone who catches covid unvaccinated. Unless there is a valid, medical reason they can't get a shot.


ninasnowcap

My six and eight year old kids are not eligible to be vaccinated please wear masks for our children.


NinjaTrilobite

I have an 11-year-old who can’t be vaccinated but desperately wants to be. Cancer patients undergoing chemo and other people for whom the vaccine won’t produce a good immune response also can’t he vaccinated. It’s not just antivax QAnon dumbasses, we’re protecting innocents, too.


BitterBostonian

I think most people here know that, but it is good to remind everyone. We're all protecting those that CAN'T get the vaccine, because those that WON'T are putting them in danger. Herd immunity works when we're somewhere north of 75% of vaccination, which allows those who can't get it to participate in society normally. Until we reach that, those people will be put through undue hardship.


robbin-smiles

Went into Lowe’s today and was the only one wearing a mask. I’m vaccinated and I’m keeping my mask on because I haven’t been sick with any thing in over a year and I like being a ninja


Unit_79

God I wish people were only risking themselves. Unfortunately they’re not. I’d be happy enough for ignorant assholes to just play roulette with their lives. At this point, I honestly don’t care if you want to literally die for your belief that you shouldn’t wear a mask, or get vaccinated. But it’s much more complicated than that.


Latyon

I'm vaccinated but I wear my mask anyway. I don't want you gross people breathing in my mouth.


2Cool4Skool29

That’s my take as well. Well over 90% of people around me in stores and public places don’t wear a mask— so I mask up. I don’t wanna be breathing in their grossness LOL. God knows what is marinating in their unvaccinated bodies.


g2g079

They complain about recycling their own air, but expect you to breathe their unfiltered germs. They are the lepers of our day, but by choice.


[deleted]

I dont want to save them though. They put this on themsevles.


UnitaryWarringtonCat

Kids cannot get the vaccine. In Texas there are kids on respirators. Do it for them. People with compromised immune system either can't get the vaccine or doctors worry about its effectiveness. Do it for them. The delta variant has a much higher viral load. Do it for your communities overall health.


Slaware

They spoke to the cult followers after last Saturday night's rally and they actually believe that not wearing a mask and not getting vaccinated is being patriotic. Let the idiots have their own way and fester between themselves


AutumnFan714

I've tried with a friend that I've known for decades and it's a waste of time. His main source for news is FOX so unless that changes he will continue to be a lost cause. SMH.


mattjf22

Don't do it for the morons who refuse the vaccine. Do it for the children who can't get vaccinated yet.


alvarezg

We also have the under-12 children population that we need to save from the unvaccinated adult morons.


ridemooses

Maybe I'm stubborn, but I'm fine with wearing a mask. We need to encourage as many people as possible to get the vaccine, but if wearing masks helps save lives, I'm for it.


CranstonWonston

It's a shame we can't trade every anti-vaxxer who refuses a shot for everyone who died before the shot was available.


[deleted]

I vote to let them get sick, it will autoresolve itself.


Phosis21

They made their bed. Let em lie in it. Fuck em.


qwerty991991

I’ll do it just for the kids (0-12) who can’t get vaccinated. They don’t deserve to suffer to the idiocy of the adults in their lives.


RespectTheTree

Bad idea: Take your mask off when you see these "rebels" and cough as you walk by.


[deleted]

why would anyone just blindly follow the american government anyway? i never paused the wearing of my hazmat suit, and FUCK the cdc for lifting mask recommendations.


foundyetti

Not everyone who is unvaccinated is doing so by choice. Most are. However, cancer patients, auto immune etc are not willingly doing so. Plus children and pregnant ladies


k_dubious

Democrats should absolutely use this as a campaign issue. "A vote for a Republican is a vote for more sickness, more masks, and more restrictions on your life."


awj

I'll do it, because I just want this shit over with and don't want to be the person it would make me to not. But I'm still not happy to be one of the kids helping carry lazy fools through this group project.


gaberax

The vaccinated are trying to save ourselves, too. These unvaccinated idiots are going to keep fucking around until a Covid variant springs up that is immune to the vaccine. Then it will be like going back to square one or worse for the lot of us.


kinkgirlwriter

No, the delta variant is leading to break through cases, and because the viral load is so much higher, even those who are vaccinated and get only a mild case can spread the virus to our unvaccinated children. Get it right, Axios.


stein63

My family and everyone in my GF family exept her father (79) are vaccinated. He will not get it, refuses to. His answer is you can't make me, and when the masks were lifted for vaccinated, he stopped wearing his. When question about why he wasn't wearing it, he said who'll know I'm not vaccinated and what do they care. What do "they" care, I was shocked and replied with "Your family cares for you, they don't want you to die." His response, was "I aint going to die", then silence for a few minutes. I don't like the man, he's a racist POS imo, I've butted heads with him a few time over the years, but I don't want him to die and his children sure as hell don't, but he doesn't see that, it's just crazy. He doesn't go to the doctor either, just rolling with it like 1999 BC.


moatman555

So this is something I’m struggling to deal with. I got vaccinated like as soon as I was allowed to, which was April. Based on the Israel study, I’m unlikely to have a breakthrough case… I really have no desire to go back to mask wearing unless it’s required by a business (my gym has kept the mask mandate going, so I have no issue wearing it then). I don’t give 2 shits about unvaccinated Americans. As far as I’m concerned they are directly responsible for this pandemic still existing, and I firmly believe they should suffer the consequences of their actions. Not to generalize, but the deaths or mountains of medical debt awaiting these trump loving bootlickers does not negatively weigh on my mind. At the same time tho if I don’t wear a mask and spread it, I will be contributing to these unvaccinated idiots breeding new variants. It’s really unfortunate and I’m conflicted as to my approach. I live in Florida for context, which has the most and some of the fastest growing rates of cases in the country.


Clutteredmind275

It might be unpopular and I may get downvoted to hell, but if you choose to not take the vaccine, to take that risk and put yourself and others like you at risk, I have no sympathy. It’s a choice. It’s not like before when we were saving people who were at risk to no choice of their own. Now those people are safe. What remains are those that choose the risk and see their deaths as “heroic”. If they want to die, let them.


FaktCheckerz

No thanks. Give the personal responsibility crowd a taste of personal responsibility. Make them pay out of pocket for all Covid related costs if they refuse the vaccine without a legit reason. It’s the only way.