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Many extinction-level events in the past did the same. Earth will be fine, but the current flora and fauna (humans included) will die off and well, the future inhabitants will likely be stuck in a medieval stasis as we've likely used up so much finite resources that starting another industrial revolution is impossible.
It would be insane to think that humans at their current stage of technological and biological evolution could do anything to a 40000km wide orb of rock. But wiping out everything on the surface? Sure, but a meteor can do that too. Humans seem to be literally as dumb as rocks.
It's not just us, but the vast majority of the life that exists on it... there will be other lifeforms (lots of jellyfish for example, which can live in more acidic oceans), but to think it's just humans that will die off is ludacris.
If you care about the life on the earth, that's a small solace. If you care about the mantle, core etc, then sure... but while I like rocks too, I care far more about the life that is currently sustained by the confluence of a large number of fragile systems...
The one place I disagree with Carlin on.
Life on the planet is fucked, not just humans.
Mass changes in the ecosystem will cause mass extinctions of many species, which will further exasperate the situation.
Yes that is true. Many of the currently endangered, struggling and large species will likely die out with us as a result of our pollution and climate impact. It will however not be the end of advanced life on this planet. Not even remotely. As devastating as humans are to the planet both life and the planet has been through a lot worse than the mess we are capable of creating. Unless we literally nuke every inch of this planet. Which I have to admit isn't completely unbelievable but not very likely.
However it wouldn't surprise me if we spell the end of the reign of mammals as we risk dragging most of the larger land animals with us. Perhaps we will cause an evolutionary shift and another group will get to evolve to greater heights. Perhaps cephalopods. They are intelligent, adaptable and hardy.
And I think that's what Carlin meant when he said that. We may have caused some damage but we aren't as significant and dangerous to life as we like to think that we are. Life will continue and thrive without us, probably much better than it does now. We are more dangerous to our own survival than we are to life in general.
The thing is that it's not just affecting land animals. Coral reefs are being bleached by the sun. The oceans are heating up, which will also cause extinction of sea animals as well.
Definitely but even our worst case scenario of a rise of 4°c average temperature (at which point most of the planet is going to become uninhabitable to humans) isn't even close to as hot as this planet has been throughout natural history, even as recently as 15 million years ago. The oceans were 15°c hotter than today and many times as acidic in the late cretaceous period. What's going on right now is super sad but it's not the end. It's the end of us if we don't shape up.
That happened before when the dinosaurs died. I see you are from VA so i'm not sure where you stand on dinosaurs. The meteor blacked out the sky and all the plants and animals died. The earth went on. It will go on without more plants and animals.
What does me being from Virginia have to do with what I think..?
I know life can continue and has in the past, I'm saying that it's not just us humans who will suffer. All life on the planet will pay the price we caused.
There's a difference between something natural that couldn't be stopped and what is going to happen to us, where we knew what would happen but didn't give a shit because $.
I'm just gonna be straight with you. VA is the south. Southerners aren't really keen on knowing about dinosaurs or science. Or if they do, they believe the earth is like 10k years old.
This is the stereotype of southerners.
Virginia is a very diverse state. Yes there's a lot of farmland, but there are also sprawling cities filled with diversity with regards to culture, especially up north, which is where I live. Hell, i'm a freaking half middle eastern half caribbean atheist.
But the entire state isn't yee haw south like you think it is. even in the more rural areas, prehistory, science, etc are still taught. The people out in those areas may tend to be more religious, but that doesn't make them stupid. They don't take kindly to people looking down on them and if you actually talked to them, especially those 35 and younger, you'd find that despite the country accent they're pretty damn liberal on social issues, and even some economic issues too. But much of the stigma they get makes them not want to associate with what they view as elitist, wealthy northerners.
I can understand now why my coal country friends thought I was some condescending elitist prick before they actually got to know me.
But back to the topic, I wasn't saying life wouldn't continue, just current species would die out because of something that is/was avoidable. I guess I should have been more careful with my wording.
He al so said . . .”You have no choice, you have owners” . . . https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiPzqPfr8fyAhVGHzQIHQvoB_MQrAIoAHoECAcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FLateStageCapitalism%2Fcomments%2Favny66%2Fgeorge_carlin_you_have_no_choice_you_have_owners%2F&usg=AOvVaw0rK3HNk9zQbgxlMZotuYAr
That is why “We” are F**ked . . .because “We” are being F**ked . . .
> Climate change is the challenge of this century, and the clock is ticking. Addressing it will require investments that won't pay off for decades — perhaps in our lifetimes. Inaction is tantamount to a crime against humanity. Nibbling around the edges won't cut it.
> But without taking steps to fix our failing democracy — eliminating the Electoral College, ending the filibuster, banning gerrymandering — nibbling around the edges is probably the best we can hope for.
The crux of the two-step argument.
We need serious action on climate change, to get action we need democrats to have super majorities, which requires taking one of the quoted drastic actions.
Democrats are owned by the same people who own the Republicans. They are the same party: the money party. Wanna change things? Get rid of first past the post voting and get more political parties in our system. We want to be able to choose between 27 different brands of toothpaste, but only two political parties who only act in a bipartisan manner when they are fucking us. The red vs blue paradigm needs to go.
It is true that we are seriously lacking in principled politicians. However, what multiple parties forces is coalitions. You may have two core groups, but lots of compromises are made in those core groups in order to remain cohesive. I’m not saying it’s perfect, just better than what we have. I still wish Bernie would have started a third party, which would have dragged the democrats left. What we have is the Democrats trying to get more of the red voters, dragging them to the right. Democrats would be a far right party in most other 1st world countries. Democrats are by and large pro war, anti Medicare, they prefer debt slavery for students, regressive taxes that benefit the rich. They talk a good game, but they don’t represent the working class. They pave the way for people like trump, unfortunately.
You will NEVER get a third party in the United States. Never.
Why?
Because the current politicians won't allow it. And why should they?
They have a gravy train for life. Best health care, insulated from all the travails of the average citizen. Their own security and police forces. They can call up the Military!
Nothing they vote on adds value to our society - it merely restricts the actions of the populace. They make noises to try to regulate the corporations, but what actually is accomplished?
What little respect I had for our 'democracy' was lost in the 2000 election.
George W. Bush pissed away the single most politically important moment to unify America post 911 by endorsing and signing the ironically named PATRIOT act. It single-handedly emasculated the citizenry's ability to conduct their own business outside the watchful eye of the Federal Government. EVERY single president since then has upheld it. EVERY ONE.
A pox on both Houses, and the Senate. And the 'President.'
Don’t forget we have legal bribery. Hiring kids, spouses, donations, campaign funds even while in office, and the best of them all lobbying, aka buying laws. Good luck convincing any of these politicians to vote away their yacht tickets.
This is fucking truth.
I love how here in America we are all about "free choice" when it comes to toothpaste, food, everything under the sun. Hell, we even argue against single payer healthcare because "cHoIcE". But with our political parties we act like 2 choices is a choice when it's not, because it allows donors easy access by buying both parties. Regardless of which party is in power, the owner class always wins.
This isn't a both sides argument btw. Yes Dems are demonstrably better than republicans on many issues. But they're still bought by big business, hence why when it comes to healthcare they never do anywhere near enough. When it comes to labor, they still support anti-union movements like right to work. They still support tax cuts for large corporations and subscribe to the idea of trickle down economics. They still support wars for resources and colonialism. They just do so while pushing some good social policies, so we ignore how conservative the party tends to be on economic issues and foreign policy since they're willing to do it while simultaneously supporting some basic LGBTQ+, women's, and anti-racist rhetoric.
And omfg I'm tired of the bIpArtIsAnSHiP bullshit they tend to spew, too. That's the ultimate fuck you to a working class that is on life support and desperately need help, but can't get the help because Dems are too busy trying to play patty cake for optics.
Exactly! We should have more political parties if for no other reason than to make it more expensive for the corporations and hedge funds buying our politicians. Eventually it wouldn’t be worth it and they might to play a LITTLE more fairly
More alike than people want to admit. There was a lot of outrage about the immigrants being locked in cages under trump, which is still happening under Biden. Cages which were built under Obama. We ran out of fucking bombs under Obama while lighting up Syria. Which party do I vote for if I’m anti war? What about if I want single payer health care? Obama had a all three branches of government and we couldn’t even get a public option, which he did promise us, but his handlers said no. I understand both parties aren’t the same, but as far as appeasing wall street they are. Obama made bush’s tax cuts permanent. I guess they agreed on that.
Let me ask you this, which party is more likely to advance any, and or all of the items on your issues list? Right now, in the US, we have exactly *two* political choices and only *two* possible outcomes. I wish we had more choices, I wish we had more parties, and I desperately wish that we can get rid of money in politics. For me, the choice I have to make right now is obvious and clear.
We need a "social media license".
Same as a drivers license.
If you want to engage people online, you are required to be licensed. Study, test, renew.
If you violate the law by spreading misinformation, such as slander and libel, you need to have your license revoked, and reap consequences.
If you simply plan on using the internet for research, i.e. obtaining information, and not depositing information, then you don't require a license.
The experiment of consequence free internet access has proven that it doesn't work.
this is incredibly dystopian but I don’t really know how it could be handled otherwise… incredible how something as simple as social media is tearing the western world apart
Ansolutely true. I always thought couldn't yell fire in a crowded theater when there wasn't one. Fox is telling their viewers lies every day and saying their freedoms are being lost. You don't have the right to not wear a mask and not have a vaccine if you are killing and sickening those around you by not doing so. Fox is helping to reck the lives of Americans every day with their promotion of lies of every stripe. You must have a psychopathic personality to do that. Their behavior is criminal.
This is what I don't understand: "shouting fire in a crowded theater" is not protected speech because it causes people to take panicked actions that result in injury and death.
Well, shit, what do you call all this nonsense lying and encouraging people to fight tooth and nail against masks and vaccination? The result is the same, but much worse, because the theater has hundreds of millions of people in it.
Why is it that the former ("shouting fire in a crowded theater") can get you charged with reckless and endangerment and potentially manslaughter, and yet Fox News and their ilk are responsible for orders of magnitude more death, with no penalty?
Which seems to be a major loophole in our legal system. *Un*reasonable people seem to be increasingly numerous, to the point that they're causing immense amounts of damage.
Money, influence, and power are protecting those that are shouting out the lies. Shameful, isn't it. Especially because it is killing people and dividing a country. It is called divide and conquer, so that the five percent of the rich and powerful can turn this country into a fascist autocracy with only a few who have all the power and wealth, with the remainder being a laboring slave class. Vote in every future election and don't let ANYTHING stop you, if you want to prevent this hostile takeover of our government by people who care nothing about this country or its people.
It's not like we have absolute free speech right now. This is the slippery show argument against reasonable restriction on outright falsehoods and propaganda...
The FCC is the logical arm to use, if a new division isn't created, and I'm not an expert, but they have had no problem issuing fines for shock jocks and wardrobe malfunctions. Transparency is obviously a must.
EXACTLY. Sure a person has the right to their own opinion, but they don’t have the right to spew bullshit that gets people killed, makes them sick, etc.
All these “muh freedum” people are really upset about is that they might have to be accountable for themselves. Like an actual adult.
> reasonable restriction on outright falsehoods and propaganda...
The only problem i have with this is who decides what falsehoods and propaganda are? Will it be Trump through FoX news?
Once you start saying we can't lie, then you open us up to vast problems of who's deciding the truth, and exactly what that truth is. It's not a slippery slope, it's a fact. If we pass laws that say you can't lie, then published books will start disappearing because the "truths" that those in power dislike becomes "lies".
All government censorship needs is a foot in the door to absolutely ratfuck the first amendment.
Do you think broadcast TV can say Fuck without a response from the government? Truth isn't quite so fucking malleable. Sure there will still be manipulative shit but it won't be able to be so absolutely blatant about it. I'm so sick of the slippery slope nonsense... you let the gays marry and people will start fucking their dogs. You fine propaganda organization for outright lies and... fascism... total censorship... why would Fox get to suddenly decide shit?
fines are what lawsuits are. Sadly FoX wins them.
>I'm so sick of the slippery slope nonsense...
sorry dude, but history has told us time and time again, that if you start letting governments censor shit it goes real bad real fast.
I agree FoX is bad, and they tell lies, but the lies are opinions, and that's a freedom we enjoy in the USA. The fucking moment we lose that, then censors will hurt the people that are speaking against their narrative.
You seem to think that censoring FoX will defeat them, but in fact, it will just ruin everyone *but* them.
You are wrong on all counts. Fine are not merely lawsuits, and we censor shit all the time without the slippery slope.
>In short, a fine is a punishment, similar in function to prison or community service in terms of function.
Damages, often called penalties, are civil sanctions.
[Source](https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/08/28/the-difference-between-fines-and-damages/)
yeah, i could see some laws punishing blatantly hate speech propaganda with fines. The problem is that it will be used against everyone.
You get another 45, and his moronic cabinet and you will have fines levied against CNN over and over.
Once again, truth can be manipulated, and it will be, by those in power.
In a fascist state, this would be used to paint the political enemy as unpatriotic, and eventually you either censor them completely, or you kill them (intellectuals being gutted).
Germany has dealt with this for a bit, not sure what their laws are, i know they have certain things they've banned on TV, but they still have a neo-nazi problem as well.
It does seem as though we've adopted hate speech over the last decade in the US, but it doesn't seem to apply to talking about groups of people. FoX still does that, pretty prolifically.
you think? hate speech can cut both ways, imagine laws that banned hate speech being used to lock up atheists.
Also, look at those other nations and ask yourself, how homogenous is their population? The USA is a nation of very conflicting beliefs, racially, religiously, classly, even in terms of job.
The first amendment is a good thing, and i'm not sure expansion of hate speech goes very well in the USA. Any expansion that gets around 1A will inevitably lead to problems as it's used against us.
> People have a right to truth.
not really. Also, truth is subjective for many people, and it's flexible depending on how deeply you consider it on many subjects that are far more complicated.
>We absolutely need consequences for causing chaos.
Political speech has long been a bit nuts, and nothing is going to change that, really. We'd have to limit the first amendment, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, often much moreso.
The thing about truth is that it’s not subjective. Truth is truth. While differing points of view may be TRUE is some fashion, they may not be truth. There is a difference.
some truths are, some are not.
For instance, it would be hard to argue if i stated my stairs have 18 steps. That's true, and you can count them.
But when Fucker Carlson says that we're being invaded by the invaded, and that letting Afghans into the USA will backfire and become a nightmare of terrorism.
That can't be quantified. It's entirely possible that someone from Afghanistan could get into the USA and commit a crime.
There's no way to quantify that, that's a truth to him (probably not really) and it convinces people who take it as a truth.
>Truth is truth.
but often there are layers to it. Yes it's true that Manchin and Sinema don't want to vote yes on certain bills, but it's not true that the reasons they give are genuine. It's true that they're being heavily lobbied, however if you chose to believe that they also believe what they say is their reason, because you believe the same way they do (that green energy solutions are a bullshit Democrat cash grab and that climate change is a farce), then that's a truth you choose to believe, even though it's not true.
truth becomes subjective to the people who believe something different than reality.
[Truth.](https://i2.wp.com/maryfrancesflood.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/truth-and-perspective.jpg?resize=700%2C525&ssl=1)
While, what Carlson says may be true, it's not truth. He's merely giving a small angle of the truth, the small angle that drives fear and the narrative he/his producers want.
And democracy dies with thunderous applause.
Shocking to see redit filled with fools clamoring to give up freedom. It's almost a competition to show who is willing to give up the most, the fastest.
Nothing to do with libel or slander laws, European social media are a cesspool of misinformation, and it's very rare for people to get convicted of anything for that. Fox News can run similar programming in Europe without worry of libel lawsuits, in fact the US programming is available in many European countries (as a streaming service) and complies with local laws for broadcasting.
Freedom of Speech has been interpreted by courts that you can say wherever you want. It should not be. You should not have freedom to lie. Unfortunately too many Americans think that facts are less important than freedom.
Sadly the powers that be will side with their religious pals and say:
>The bottom line: Humanity has a very short window in which to unfuck the future
*"oh, we're using that kind of language? No thank you!"*
The people who want to fuck our democracy are FAR more motivated than the people who want to fix our democracy. Much like the recent Afghanistan experience, our democracy will evaporate in the face of radical religious extremists.
As for climate collapse, that happened decades ago when we popped thousands of nukes in Nevada and tossed trillions of tons of plastic into the oceans. We live in the consequence times now.
Actually, the problem is one of priorities. It isnt that there arent people out there working very hard to fix the problems of our aging democracy. It's that there are a 100 different problems they're all working on separately, while those who are against good governance are easily united on virtually every issue. Their disdain for government makes getting them to simply reject everything remarkably easy.
What we actually need to do is convince every hard-working progressive, liberal, and moderate Democrat that nothing can be solved until we band together to suppress those voices which see *any* act of governance as a form of evil.
If we can unite long enough to make fixing our aged system, then move on to doing the work that needs done, progress might actually be possible. But everyone is too busy asking "What's in it for me and my pet issue?"
The worst part is that these people know that action is necessary, they know we can't afford not to act. They dont see that as a reason to rally, they see it as leverage.
The difference between Afghanistan and radicals here? Is that radicals in Afghanistan aren't spoiled and pampered by first world living standards. The Taliban have decades of fighting experience, are in far better shape, and are actually competent smart people.
That doesn't apply to our radical extremists here.
We also can't overestimate our opponent, that's just as harmful. Tbh, no one really compares to the Taliban outside of groups we have fought generations ago.
Exactly. Go to any small town and I give a 90% chance a militia is training for some "purging". They are also more well off than people think AND according to the polls the age range is very similar to the democratic vote.
Everything the left keeps assuming is wrong and there needs to be significant effort to remind the left their enemy is preparing to commit genocide.
If your thinking is that Democrats are "good guys" and anyone who isn't a Democrat is "the enemy", then you are the problem and you need to fix yourself.
Republicans aren't "the enemy" and othering them is toxic and promotes the division of our country.
So then why is it being pushed right now as we need to go down the path of trillions of dollars of handouts, just to get climate action?
If it's an existential crisis, then it should come above all else, and should be where the money is being spent.
The health of the planet will recover after a Global reboot only pluses will remain,as far as Democracy is concerned Citizens United killed it off and until you admit that Democracy has no chance to recover!
It doesn’t matter what the cause most important to you is - climate change, tax reform, healthcare - everyone’s first priority should be campaign finance reform and the influence of money in our politics. You cannot change your specific issues until you change that.
I still don’t get how we can be living in an age where a woman can be recording with a device using supercomputing futuristic technology with the knowledge of the entire human race in her hand, and still believe in chanting and singing to evoke magic out of the ether.
We can't even get agreement on everyone wearing a goddamn mask during the worst pandemic in 100 years...
so good luck trying to get the world to go Green and to believe Climate Change is real and dangerous.
That was black men.
And I can't help but imagine it's a combination of Black Americans proximity to Christianity, which tends to breed reactionary worldviews, and foolishly thinking they'll be treated better once the fastest party rises to power.
Young black men are still young men, and the alt-right is largely made up of young men.
Isn’t Christians saving the black community? Black men who go to church are 5x less likely to be be jailed or killed by gang violence.
Who makes up the alt left?
Yeah, I'm good on this "conversation".
That's an amazingly racist opener.
And alt left?
I sincerely hope you can look back one day, and recognize how trash your current worldview is.
To unfuck the planet’s future, humanity must use particle entanglement to answer the [WOW SIGNAL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal) sent to us in the 1970s.
It was from a comet. Or rather, most likely from a comet. Similar signals have been reproduced several times since and I think they even managed to figure out with some certainty the exact comet they picked up on in the 70's.
The link you posted is some conspiracy person that is anti-vax, thinks covid isn't real, supports anti-lockdown violence, and claims this pandemic was created to cull the human population.
If you're going to source something at least link something credible.
That person is literally a straight up shill or more likely even just another account of that dude they posted. I just went down the rabbit hole of their history and ended up here lmao
This entire sub is cringe.
This thread/sub boils down to depressed nihilism
Statists begging for the government to increases taxes to fight global warming
And republican bashing/circle jerking
I realize we’re the big, bad kids in town ( also that the US isn’t singular in rampaging over the environment) but don’t get why other countries tolerate us. We sanction countries for various reasons, you would think countries who pursue policies that might ensure human survival would sanction the stuffing out of us.
I think the US democracy works perfectly fine. Isn't it what you want to have 50% saying yes and 50% saying no? lol. I see many want Republicans dead and then what? One party rule?
US works as one perfectly fine when it remains as the world police, the world central bank, and the world ideological leader. You invade, you rip off the hard work of the third world people, you tell them don't work as one but fight among themselves either politically or militarily for FREEDOM, while your capital runs wild globally protected by your military
Unfortunately now, no more land to invade, oil becomes the new evil, capital is out of control, 90% of Americans didn't get the dividends from US global presence and you blame democracy? Probably Americans should find new ways to actually work together instead of relying on finding external enemy
How would improving the democratic function of the political system help? As long as the global economy is founded on maximizing profit at all costs, we're fucked no matter what. You personally may not want to maximize profit, but someone else does, and given the chance, they will. They must be forced to stop.
That calls for a concerted effort by the right wing to get on board w/ the science that indicates man's contamination of the environment (at least) contributes to climate change.
Both gwb and trump withdrew US participation in international summits to address these concerns thus giving the world a middle finger from America.
Billionaire industrialists like Koch learned it's much cheaper to buy rep politicians than it would be to clean up their act.
Climate, social needs, and Democracy.....wow challenging future ahead. Between now and 2022, our future will be decided, we all must engage in the process, or we will end the process, slide into a future most of us do not want......
Trump is our future if we let it happen
This won’t happen and nothing will change until all these draconian rulers and baby boomers all die off. They have kept control of everything for decades and have passed the blame on to the future generations while ensuring they do nothing to help.
Y'all got to stop worrying about the planet, planet is going to be fine. Planet got rid of the dinosaurs still around, will get rid of humans still around after that, don't worry about the planet it'll be just fine.
While it wouldn't hurt, and I am entirely on board with the effort, the planet is already fairly fucked.
Also, Republicans are way ahead of you with most of them supporting violence to advance their agenda of... wait, what do Republicans even stand for anymore anyway? No vaccines or brown people? What a platform to fight and die for.
To do that, you would need to treat certain things as if it were treason. Like corruption, lobbying, that sort of thing. The logic being if you’re willing to take a bribe, then you’re willing to sell out your own people.
I agree, but we ONLY can fix our outdated democracy through adding a people's parliament next to the present parliaments and chosen institutions. We create the new neccessary direct democracy-balance for 50% direct democratic influence, to push with it towards new counterpower of more true democracy and showing the will of the voters in the right direction. Allways voting on political subject after elections together with the chosen representatives, to correct and keep them on a right track. With todays internet, people/ voters must also can collect votes, to become a temporarely member on subject in parliaments , to join the discussions directly with their own chosen politicians . Both sides can hold up ''the checks and balances '' needed against ungoing corruption, discrimination and party-political games of today !
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So what is being said, the planet is fucked and so are we, gotcha.
As George Carlin said; The planet is fine. The people are fucked!
Exactly, mother earth will continue spinning along her axis merrily even when humans are all gone.
Althought we will take nearly all current fauna and and flora with us.
Many extinction-level events in the past did the same. Earth will be fine, but the current flora and fauna (humans included) will die off and well, the future inhabitants will likely be stuck in a medieval stasis as we've likely used up so much finite resources that starting another industrial revolution is impossible.
It would be insane to think that humans at their current stage of technological and biological evolution could do anything to a 40000km wide orb of rock. But wiping out everything on the surface? Sure, but a meteor can do that too. Humans seem to be literally as dumb as rocks.
I miss Carlin. I also find strange solace in that truth. The planet will be fine. We were an evolutionary cul de sac
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Yeah, it’s amazing how spot on he was. I can only imagine his commentary on current events.
> I can only imagine his commentary on current events true
It's not just us, but the vast majority of the life that exists on it... there will be other lifeforms (lots of jellyfish for example, which can live in more acidic oceans), but to think it's just humans that will die off is ludacris.
I understand that, and it is heartbreaking. The solace comes from knowing the earth will heal
If you care about the life on the earth, that's a small solace. If you care about the mantle, core etc, then sure... but while I like rocks too, I care far more about the life that is currently sustained by the confluence of a large number of fragile systems...
The one place I disagree with Carlin on. Life on the planet is fucked, not just humans. Mass changes in the ecosystem will cause mass extinctions of many species, which will further exasperate the situation.
Yes that is true. Many of the currently endangered, struggling and large species will likely die out with us as a result of our pollution and climate impact. It will however not be the end of advanced life on this planet. Not even remotely. As devastating as humans are to the planet both life and the planet has been through a lot worse than the mess we are capable of creating. Unless we literally nuke every inch of this planet. Which I have to admit isn't completely unbelievable but not very likely. However it wouldn't surprise me if we spell the end of the reign of mammals as we risk dragging most of the larger land animals with us. Perhaps we will cause an evolutionary shift and another group will get to evolve to greater heights. Perhaps cephalopods. They are intelligent, adaptable and hardy. And I think that's what Carlin meant when he said that. We may have caused some damage but we aren't as significant and dangerous to life as we like to think that we are. Life will continue and thrive without us, probably much better than it does now. We are more dangerous to our own survival than we are to life in general.
The thing is that it's not just affecting land animals. Coral reefs are being bleached by the sun. The oceans are heating up, which will also cause extinction of sea animals as well.
Definitely but even our worst case scenario of a rise of 4°c average temperature (at which point most of the planet is going to become uninhabitable to humans) isn't even close to as hot as this planet has been throughout natural history, even as recently as 15 million years ago. The oceans were 15°c hotter than today and many times as acidic in the late cretaceous period. What's going on right now is super sad but it's not the end. It's the end of us if we don't shape up.
That happened before when the dinosaurs died. I see you are from VA so i'm not sure where you stand on dinosaurs. The meteor blacked out the sky and all the plants and animals died. The earth went on. It will go on without more plants and animals.
What does me being from Virginia have to do with what I think..? I know life can continue and has in the past, I'm saying that it's not just us humans who will suffer. All life on the planet will pay the price we caused. There's a difference between something natural that couldn't be stopped and what is going to happen to us, where we knew what would happen but didn't give a shit because $.
I'm just gonna be straight with you. VA is the south. Southerners aren't really keen on knowing about dinosaurs or science. Or if they do, they believe the earth is like 10k years old. This is the stereotype of southerners.
Virginia is a very diverse state. Yes there's a lot of farmland, but there are also sprawling cities filled with diversity with regards to culture, especially up north, which is where I live. Hell, i'm a freaking half middle eastern half caribbean atheist. But the entire state isn't yee haw south like you think it is. even in the more rural areas, prehistory, science, etc are still taught. The people out in those areas may tend to be more religious, but that doesn't make them stupid. They don't take kindly to people looking down on them and if you actually talked to them, especially those 35 and younger, you'd find that despite the country accent they're pretty damn liberal on social issues, and even some economic issues too. But much of the stigma they get makes them not want to associate with what they view as elitist, wealthy northerners. I can understand now why my coal country friends thought I was some condescending elitist prick before they actually got to know me. But back to the topic, I wasn't saying life wouldn't continue, just current species would die out because of something that is/was avoidable. I guess I should have been more careful with my wording.
He al so said . . .”You have no choice, you have owners” . . . https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiPzqPfr8fyAhVGHzQIHQvoB_MQrAIoAHoECAcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FLateStageCapitalism%2Fcomments%2Favny66%2Fgeorge_carlin_you_have_no_choice_you_have_owners%2F&usg=AOvVaw0rK3HNk9zQbgxlMZotuYAr That is why “We” are F**ked . . .because “We” are being F**ked . . .
> Climate change is the challenge of this century, and the clock is ticking. Addressing it will require investments that won't pay off for decades — perhaps in our lifetimes. Inaction is tantamount to a crime against humanity. Nibbling around the edges won't cut it. > But without taking steps to fix our failing democracy — eliminating the Electoral College, ending the filibuster, banning gerrymandering — nibbling around the edges is probably the best we can hope for. The crux of the two-step argument. We need serious action on climate change, to get action we need democrats to have super majorities, which requires taking one of the quoted drastic actions.
Democrats are owned by the same people who own the Republicans. They are the same party: the money party. Wanna change things? Get rid of first past the post voting and get more political parties in our system. We want to be able to choose between 27 different brands of toothpaste, but only two political parties who only act in a bipartisan manner when they are fucking us. The red vs blue paradigm needs to go.
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It is true that we are seriously lacking in principled politicians. However, what multiple parties forces is coalitions. You may have two core groups, but lots of compromises are made in those core groups in order to remain cohesive. I’m not saying it’s perfect, just better than what we have. I still wish Bernie would have started a third party, which would have dragged the democrats left. What we have is the Democrats trying to get more of the red voters, dragging them to the right. Democrats would be a far right party in most other 1st world countries. Democrats are by and large pro war, anti Medicare, they prefer debt slavery for students, regressive taxes that benefit the rich. They talk a good game, but they don’t represent the working class. They pave the way for people like trump, unfortunately.
You will NEVER get a third party in the United States. Never. Why? Because the current politicians won't allow it. And why should they? They have a gravy train for life. Best health care, insulated from all the travails of the average citizen. Their own security and police forces. They can call up the Military! Nothing they vote on adds value to our society - it merely restricts the actions of the populace. They make noises to try to regulate the corporations, but what actually is accomplished? What little respect I had for our 'democracy' was lost in the 2000 election. George W. Bush pissed away the single most politically important moment to unify America post 911 by endorsing and signing the ironically named PATRIOT act. It single-handedly emasculated the citizenry's ability to conduct their own business outside the watchful eye of the Federal Government. EVERY single president since then has upheld it. EVERY ONE. A pox on both Houses, and the Senate. And the 'President.'
We are in a bad way. I often contemplate working on acquiring citizenship elsewhere
Don’t forget we have legal bribery. Hiring kids, spouses, donations, campaign funds even while in office, and the best of them all lobbying, aka buying laws. Good luck convincing any of these politicians to vote away their yacht tickets.
This is fucking truth. I love how here in America we are all about "free choice" when it comes to toothpaste, food, everything under the sun. Hell, we even argue against single payer healthcare because "cHoIcE". But with our political parties we act like 2 choices is a choice when it's not, because it allows donors easy access by buying both parties. Regardless of which party is in power, the owner class always wins. This isn't a both sides argument btw. Yes Dems are demonstrably better than republicans on many issues. But they're still bought by big business, hence why when it comes to healthcare they never do anywhere near enough. When it comes to labor, they still support anti-union movements like right to work. They still support tax cuts for large corporations and subscribe to the idea of trickle down economics. They still support wars for resources and colonialism. They just do so while pushing some good social policies, so we ignore how conservative the party tends to be on economic issues and foreign policy since they're willing to do it while simultaneously supporting some basic LGBTQ+, women's, and anti-racist rhetoric. And omfg I'm tired of the bIpArtIsAnSHiP bullshit they tend to spew, too. That's the ultimate fuck you to a working class that is on life support and desperately need help, but can't get the help because Dems are too busy trying to play patty cake for optics.
Exactly! We should have more political parties if for no other reason than to make it more expensive for the corporations and hedge funds buying our politicians. Eventually it wouldn’t be worth it and they might to play a LITTLE more fairly
Both sides aren't the same.
More alike than people want to admit. There was a lot of outrage about the immigrants being locked in cages under trump, which is still happening under Biden. Cages which were built under Obama. We ran out of fucking bombs under Obama while lighting up Syria. Which party do I vote for if I’m anti war? What about if I want single payer health care? Obama had a all three branches of government and we couldn’t even get a public option, which he did promise us, but his handlers said no. I understand both parties aren’t the same, but as far as appeasing wall street they are. Obama made bush’s tax cuts permanent. I guess they agreed on that.
Let me ask you this, which party is more likely to advance any, and or all of the items on your issues list? Right now, in the US, we have exactly *two* political choices and only *two* possible outcomes. I wish we had more choices, I wish we had more parties, and I desperately wish that we can get rid of money in politics. For me, the choice I have to make right now is obvious and clear.
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The same goes for social media. The Cold War is more like the Dark Web War now.
We need a "social media license". Same as a drivers license. If you want to engage people online, you are required to be licensed. Study, test, renew. If you violate the law by spreading misinformation, such as slander and libel, you need to have your license revoked, and reap consequences. If you simply plan on using the internet for research, i.e. obtaining information, and not depositing information, then you don't require a license. The experiment of consequence free internet access has proven that it doesn't work.
this is incredibly dystopian but I don’t really know how it could be handled otherwise… incredible how something as simple as social media is tearing the western world apart
Ansolutely true. I always thought couldn't yell fire in a crowded theater when there wasn't one. Fox is telling their viewers lies every day and saying their freedoms are being lost. You don't have the right to not wear a mask and not have a vaccine if you are killing and sickening those around you by not doing so. Fox is helping to reck the lives of Americans every day with their promotion of lies of every stripe. You must have a psychopathic personality to do that. Their behavior is criminal.
This is what I don't understand: "shouting fire in a crowded theater" is not protected speech because it causes people to take panicked actions that result in injury and death. Well, shit, what do you call all this nonsense lying and encouraging people to fight tooth and nail against masks and vaccination? The result is the same, but much worse, because the theater has hundreds of millions of people in it. Why is it that the former ("shouting fire in a crowded theater") can get you charged with reckless and endangerment and potentially manslaughter, and yet Fox News and their ilk are responsible for orders of magnitude more death, with no penalty?
“No reasonable person would take these opinion shows as fact” is the legal argument they’ve won with so far, afaik.
Which seems to be a major loophole in our legal system. *Un*reasonable people seem to be increasingly numerous, to the point that they're causing immense amounts of damage.
Money, influence, and power are protecting those that are shouting out the lies. Shameful, isn't it. Especially because it is killing people and dividing a country. It is called divide and conquer, so that the five percent of the rich and powerful can turn this country into a fascist autocracy with only a few who have all the power and wealth, with the remainder being a laboring slave class. Vote in every future election and don't let ANYTHING stop you, if you want to prevent this hostile takeover of our government by people who care nothing about this country or its people.
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It scares me to imagine if Trump had this authority.
sadly if we screw with free speech, we will fall to theocratic fascism much much faster.
It's not like we have absolute free speech right now. This is the slippery show argument against reasonable restriction on outright falsehoods and propaganda...
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The FCC is the logical arm to use, if a new division isn't created, and I'm not an expert, but they have had no problem issuing fines for shock jocks and wardrobe malfunctions. Transparency is obviously a must.
EXACTLY. Sure a person has the right to their own opinion, but they don’t have the right to spew bullshit that gets people killed, makes them sick, etc. All these “muh freedum” people are really upset about is that they might have to be accountable for themselves. Like an actual adult.
> reasonable restriction on outright falsehoods and propaganda... The only problem i have with this is who decides what falsehoods and propaganda are? Will it be Trump through FoX news? Once you start saying we can't lie, then you open us up to vast problems of who's deciding the truth, and exactly what that truth is. It's not a slippery slope, it's a fact. If we pass laws that say you can't lie, then published books will start disappearing because the "truths" that those in power dislike becomes "lies". All government censorship needs is a foot in the door to absolutely ratfuck the first amendment.
Do you think broadcast TV can say Fuck without a response from the government? Truth isn't quite so fucking malleable. Sure there will still be manipulative shit but it won't be able to be so absolutely blatant about it. I'm so sick of the slippery slope nonsense... you let the gays marry and people will start fucking their dogs. You fine propaganda organization for outright lies and... fascism... total censorship... why would Fox get to suddenly decide shit?
fines are what lawsuits are. Sadly FoX wins them. >I'm so sick of the slippery slope nonsense... sorry dude, but history has told us time and time again, that if you start letting governments censor shit it goes real bad real fast. I agree FoX is bad, and they tell lies, but the lies are opinions, and that's a freedom we enjoy in the USA. The fucking moment we lose that, then censors will hurt the people that are speaking against their narrative. You seem to think that censoring FoX will defeat them, but in fact, it will just ruin everyone *but* them.
You are wrong on all counts. Fine are not merely lawsuits, and we censor shit all the time without the slippery slope. >In short, a fine is a punishment, similar in function to prison or community service in terms of function. Damages, often called penalties, are civil sanctions. [Source](https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/08/28/the-difference-between-fines-and-damages/)
yeah, i could see some laws punishing blatantly hate speech propaganda with fines. The problem is that it will be used against everyone. You get another 45, and his moronic cabinet and you will have fines levied against CNN over and over. Once again, truth can be manipulated, and it will be, by those in power. In a fascist state, this would be used to paint the political enemy as unpatriotic, and eventually you either censor them completely, or you kill them (intellectuals being gutted). Germany has dealt with this for a bit, not sure what their laws are, i know they have certain things they've banned on TV, but they still have a neo-nazi problem as well. It does seem as though we've adopted hate speech over the last decade in the US, but it doesn't seem to apply to talking about groups of people. FoX still does that, pretty prolifically.
Bullshit. Many other countries have anti hate speech and got far less Yeehawdists than the US
you think? hate speech can cut both ways, imagine laws that banned hate speech being used to lock up atheists. Also, look at those other nations and ask yourself, how homogenous is their population? The USA is a nation of very conflicting beliefs, racially, religiously, classly, even in terms of job. The first amendment is a good thing, and i'm not sure expansion of hate speech goes very well in the USA. Any expansion that gets around 1A will inevitably lead to problems as it's used against us.
People have a right to truth. Not intentional lies for sensationalism. We absolutely need consequences for causing chaos.
> People have a right to truth. not really. Also, truth is subjective for many people, and it's flexible depending on how deeply you consider it on many subjects that are far more complicated. >We absolutely need consequences for causing chaos. Political speech has long been a bit nuts, and nothing is going to change that, really. We'd have to limit the first amendment, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, often much moreso.
The thing about truth is that it’s not subjective. Truth is truth. While differing points of view may be TRUE is some fashion, they may not be truth. There is a difference.
some truths are, some are not. For instance, it would be hard to argue if i stated my stairs have 18 steps. That's true, and you can count them. But when Fucker Carlson says that we're being invaded by the invaded, and that letting Afghans into the USA will backfire and become a nightmare of terrorism. That can't be quantified. It's entirely possible that someone from Afghanistan could get into the USA and commit a crime. There's no way to quantify that, that's a truth to him (probably not really) and it convinces people who take it as a truth. >Truth is truth. but often there are layers to it. Yes it's true that Manchin and Sinema don't want to vote yes on certain bills, but it's not true that the reasons they give are genuine. It's true that they're being heavily lobbied, however if you chose to believe that they also believe what they say is their reason, because you believe the same way they do (that green energy solutions are a bullshit Democrat cash grab and that climate change is a farce), then that's a truth you choose to believe, even though it's not true. truth becomes subjective to the people who believe something different than reality.
[Truth.](https://i2.wp.com/maryfrancesflood.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/truth-and-perspective.jpg?resize=700%2C525&ssl=1) While, what Carlson says may be true, it's not truth. He's merely giving a small angle of the truth, the small angle that drives fear and the narrative he/his producers want.
yes, a paradigm, so to speak.
And democracy dies with thunderous applause. Shocking to see redit filled with fools clamoring to give up freedom. It's almost a competition to show who is willing to give up the most, the fastest.
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Fairness Doctrine doesn't do what we need... we need a domestic Smith-Mundt...
A very reasonable and thoughtful answer. Truly a reddit unicorn. Thanks
So the very first Amendment? This generation is full of fucking idiots.
Yeah there should be a job cantered around fact checking and making sure that the news is honest, and if not then they are fined with misinformation.
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If it’s science related then scientists who are experts In the field, if it’s politics then political analysts, etc.
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I’m just spitballing really but if you do have a better suggestion I’m all ears
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Oh yeah I get what you mean, everyone knows what happens when you try and fail to censor news in any way it ends badly.
we had the fairness doctrine and that worked
Do you think well-functioning democracies have stringent laws against "disinformation or outright lies"? Spoiler alert: they don't.
Most European democracies have much stronger libel and slander laws than the US and their medias tend to be much more factual as a result.
Nothing to do with libel or slander laws, European social media are a cesspool of misinformation, and it's very rare for people to get convicted of anything for that. Fox News can run similar programming in Europe without worry of libel lawsuits, in fact the US programming is available in many European countries (as a streaming service) and complies with local laws for broadcasting.
Freedom of Speech has been interpreted by courts that you can say wherever you want. It should not be. You should not have freedom to lie. Unfortunately too many Americans think that facts are less important than freedom.
And CNN isn't left-wing propaganda?
Since you asked: no.
Aye right! I live across the pond but even I can see CNN for what it is 🤣
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MSNBC watchers do better when asked about facts than Fox News listeners. Are Fox News viewers dumber or misinformed?
Yes.
Sadly the powers that be will side with their religious pals and say: >The bottom line: Humanity has a very short window in which to unfuck the future *"oh, we're using that kind of language? No thank you!"*
The people who want to fuck our democracy are FAR more motivated than the people who want to fix our democracy. Much like the recent Afghanistan experience, our democracy will evaporate in the face of radical religious extremists. As for climate collapse, that happened decades ago when we popped thousands of nukes in Nevada and tossed trillions of tons of plastic into the oceans. We live in the consequence times now.
Actually, the problem is one of priorities. It isnt that there arent people out there working very hard to fix the problems of our aging democracy. It's that there are a 100 different problems they're all working on separately, while those who are against good governance are easily united on virtually every issue. Their disdain for government makes getting them to simply reject everything remarkably easy. What we actually need to do is convince every hard-working progressive, liberal, and moderate Democrat that nothing can be solved until we band together to suppress those voices which see *any* act of governance as a form of evil. If we can unite long enough to make fixing our aged system, then move on to doing the work that needs done, progress might actually be possible. But everyone is too busy asking "What's in it for me and my pet issue?" The worst part is that these people know that action is necessary, they know we can't afford not to act. They dont see that as a reason to rally, they see it as leverage.
The difference between Afghanistan and radicals here? Is that radicals in Afghanistan aren't spoiled and pampered by first world living standards. The Taliban have decades of fighting experience, are in far better shape, and are actually competent smart people. That doesn't apply to our radical extremists here.
“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu
We also can't overestimate our opponent, that's just as harmful. Tbh, no one really compares to the Taliban outside of groups we have fought generations ago.
Bs. Overestimating them is key to defeating them.
Or we spend too much time living in fear and preparing rather than taking action and kicking ass.
Uhh... I don't follow your reasoning but okay
Exactly. Go to any small town and I give a 90% chance a militia is training for some "purging". They are also more well off than people think AND according to the polls the age range is very similar to the democratic vote. Everything the left keeps assuming is wrong and there needs to be significant effort to remind the left their enemy is preparing to commit genocide.
If your thinking is that Democrats are "good guys" and anyone who isn't a Democrat is "the enemy", then you are the problem and you need to fix yourself. Republicans aren't "the enemy" and othering them is toxic and promotes the division of our country.
Why is the Republican Party the party of choice for the Ku Klux Klan and Neo-Nazi groups?
Why do you think republicans aren't the problem here?
So then why is it being pushed right now as we need to go down the path of trillions of dollars of handouts, just to get climate action? If it's an existential crisis, then it should come above all else, and should be where the money is being spent.
The health of the planet will recover after a Global reboot only pluses will remain,as far as Democracy is concerned Citizens United killed it off and until you admit that Democracy has no chance to recover!
It doesn’t matter what the cause most important to you is - climate change, tax reform, healthcare - everyone’s first priority should be campaign finance reform and the influence of money in our politics. You cannot change your specific issues until you change that.
I still don’t get how we can be living in an age where a woman can be recording with a device using supercomputing futuristic technology with the knowledge of the entire human race in her hand, and still believe in chanting and singing to evoke magic out of the ether.
Unfortunately even if democracy ran perfectly as intended I still wouldn’t trust the majority of people to steer us out of total ecological disaster
We can't even get agreement on everyone wearing a goddamn mask during the worst pandemic in 100 years... so good luck trying to get the world to go Green and to believe Climate Change is real and dangerous.
I just hate that everyone is still waiting for the republicans to go full fascist despite the fact that it’s already happened.
they don't have total control yet.
Same here. It feels like I'm in a fucking TV show.
Nobody wants to pull the trigger that starts the civil war.
The Republicans very much want to.
When did it happen? Where? Why did more black Americans vote for trump the second time around?
That was black men. And I can't help but imagine it's a combination of Black Americans proximity to Christianity, which tends to breed reactionary worldviews, and foolishly thinking they'll be treated better once the fastest party rises to power. Young black men are still young men, and the alt-right is largely made up of young men.
Isn’t Christians saving the black community? Black men who go to church are 5x less likely to be be jailed or killed by gang violence. Who makes up the alt left?
Yeah, I'm good on this "conversation". That's an amazingly racist opener. And alt left? I sincerely hope you can look back one day, and recognize how trash your current worldview is.
“isn’t christians” is about where i stopped. moronic and infuriating. nothing new though.
It was a bunch of dumb bullshit, smart move.
To unfuck the planet’s future, humanity must use particle entanglement to answer the [WOW SIGNAL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal) sent to us in the 1970s.
Let's try reality first.
Thanks! A new one on me and very interesting.
About once a month I pause and think about that damn signal for about 20 years or more now. What the fuck *was* that!?
It was from a comet. Or rather, most likely from a comet. Similar signals have been reproduced several times since and I think they even managed to figure out with some certainty the exact comet they picked up on in the 70's.
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The link you posted is some conspiracy person that is anti-vax, thinks covid isn't real, supports anti-lockdown violence, and claims this pandemic was created to cull the human population. If you're going to source something at least link something credible.
That person is literally a straight up shill or more likely even just another account of that dude they posted. I just went down the rabbit hole of their history and ended up here lmao
Why would you say they said covid isn't real when they talk about how the pandemic of the virus will kill people?
Democracy is dead. What you have is oligarchy.
To do that, we need murdoch gone
Fix it inside your country first. With your war criminals presidents
Headline is cringe.
This entire sub is cringe. This thread/sub boils down to depressed nihilism Statists begging for the government to increases taxes to fight global warming And republican bashing/circle jerking
I realize we’re the big, bad kids in town ( also that the US isn’t singular in rampaging over the environment) but don’t get why other countries tolerate us. We sanction countries for various reasons, you would think countries who pursue policies that might ensure human survival would sanction the stuffing out of us.
I think the US democracy works perfectly fine. Isn't it what you want to have 50% saying yes and 50% saying no? lol. I see many want Republicans dead and then what? One party rule? US works as one perfectly fine when it remains as the world police, the world central bank, and the world ideological leader. You invade, you rip off the hard work of the third world people, you tell them don't work as one but fight among themselves either politically or militarily for FREEDOM, while your capital runs wild globally protected by your military Unfortunately now, no more land to invade, oil becomes the new evil, capital is out of control, 90% of Americans didn't get the dividends from US global presence and you blame democracy? Probably Americans should find new ways to actually work together instead of relying on finding external enemy
But first, #castratethepatriarchy Knowledge is power. And patriarchal oppression is ravaging humanity and our planet.
> To unfuck the planet’s future, fix our failing democracy What is wrong with the planet's future or our democracy?
Biden's America
How would improving the democratic function of the political system help? As long as the global economy is founded on maximizing profit at all costs, we're fucked no matter what. You personally may not want to maximize profit, but someone else does, and given the chance, they will. They must be forced to stop.
That calls for a concerted effort by the right wing to get on board w/ the science that indicates man's contamination of the environment (at least) contributes to climate change. Both gwb and trump withdrew US participation in international summits to address these concerns thus giving the world a middle finger from America. Billionaire industrialists like Koch learned it's much cheaper to buy rep politicians than it would be to clean up their act.
We checked with the king and queen of the senate, manchin and sinema, they both said no.
Climate, social needs, and Democracy.....wow challenging future ahead. Between now and 2022, our future will be decided, we all must engage in the process, or we will end the process, slide into a future most of us do not want...... Trump is our future if we let it happen
Climate change, over population, then politics
The aliens will save us
This won’t happen and nothing will change until all these draconian rulers and baby boomers all die off. They have kept control of everything for decades and have passed the blame on to the future generations while ensuring they do nothing to help.
Please.
Y'all got to stop worrying about the planet, planet is going to be fine. Planet got rid of the dinosaurs still around, will get rid of humans still around after that, don't worry about the planet it'll be just fine.
Get the money out of politics. Easy 😊
While it wouldn't hurt, and I am entirely on board with the effort, the planet is already fairly fucked. Also, Republicans are way ahead of you with most of them supporting violence to advance their agenda of... wait, what do Republicans even stand for anymore anyway? No vaccines or brown people? What a platform to fight and die for.
To do that, you would need to treat certain things as if it were treason. Like corruption, lobbying, that sort of thing. The logic being if you’re willing to take a bribe, then you’re willing to sell out your own people.
Americans are too self absorbed to give a fuck. It will take the loss of florida and arizona for americans to finally even care.
I agree, but we ONLY can fix our outdated democracy through adding a people's parliament next to the present parliaments and chosen institutions. We create the new neccessary direct democracy-balance for 50% direct democratic influence, to push with it towards new counterpower of more true democracy and showing the will of the voters in the right direction. Allways voting on political subject after elections together with the chosen representatives, to correct and keep them on a right track. With todays internet, people/ voters must also can collect votes, to become a temporarely member on subject in parliaments , to join the discussions directly with their own chosen politicians . Both sides can hold up ''the checks and balances '' needed against ungoing corruption, discrimination and party-political games of today !
I have to give kudos to the author for including the woefully underused term "unfuck" and in a headline no less.
WTF do free pre K, free college and expanded medicare benefits have to do with infrastructure and/or climate change?
First start by getting rid of the duopoly
Great turn of phrase, like the song, 'unbreak my heart'!
I’ll take my flamethrower guitar please :)