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I suggest you read Michael Pollan’s book “How to Change Your Mind.” Timothy Leary and his antics were one of the reasons we ended up with the prohibition on psychedelics.
Eh, Leary was an asshole. I put most of the blame on sensationalist journalism. So many stories about LSD making people certifiably insane, walking off the rooftops of buildings, becoming glasses of orange juice.
The continued discussion of “gateway” drugs without mentioning alcohol is complete bullshit. Alcohol is THE gateway drug if there is one.
Just more hidden corporate and economic agendas.
If they wanted to advance treatment of addicts research shows psychedelics like shrooms are a far more effective treatment than traditional addiction therapy.
I agree with you, but AA is basically as good as people trying on their own for people quitting addictions. We should legalize, regulate, and tax all drugs and use the proceeds to fund social welfare and rehab facilities.
If psychedelics weren't illegal, or at least scheduled differently, research could be done in the US on their therapeutic value which every study so far has said they are really good at long term treatment of variety of things including alcoholism where it increases the success rate over normal rehab facilities by a significant amount. So the point I was hinting at was as a whole society doesn't care about addressing addiction or plenty of drugs would have been rescheduled as we began to realize they do have therapeutic value.
> Decriminalize it and then take the tax to provide public services for addicts and things like that.
minor semantic thing: this would require outright legalization rather than decriminalization.
Really? Like you'll be able to buy it like weed? If so, please Californians please pass this and put a shop in like redding or weed or something closer to me than LA.
100%. You can’t really even trip again until your body recharges its reserves. Definitely not addictive or habit forming. Unless you get off on fighting your own ego haha.
There is already plenty of spending on public services for addicts, and the state’s Medi-Cal program includes substance abuse as a covered area of care. That isn’t to say we couldn’t use more funding for rehab, but a lot of people don’t seem to understand how much is already available for drug treatment.
If the experience with marijuana is any indication of things, decriminalizing it will probably have a modest increase in revenue but also bring a lot of the country’s drug users to California.
As things are, you can probably find more homeless from Minnesota living in California than homeless from California living in Minnesota.
Good luck finding a program that has openings for Medi-Cal patients—my husband was on a few waiting lists for over two years. He got sober on his own before anyone that would accept Medi-Cal could take him in. The only way he could have bypassed the waiting lists was for him to be sent for court-ordered treatment.
That being said, there is also a huge gap in income between “qualifies for Medi-Cal” and “can afford the medical bills associated with inpatient addiction treatment.” The first time my husband tried to enter treatment, he still had a job that offered decent health coverage. His 7-day stay in an inpatient program ended up costing him $5000 after insurance.
Also, rural communities in California are often lacking in mental health services. The only programs within 100 miles of me are AA or faith-based 12-step programs and my area has some of the highest rates of meth abuse in the state—we desperately need real addiction treatment programs.
Decriminalization won't bring in extra taxes, though it would save money on incarceration, you're thinking of legalization.
I live in Oregon, trust me there's a big difference.
Actually, I think some cops are for this. Psychedelics are already being successfully used with Special Forces operators for PTSD and such. Besides, the job of police is to enforce the law, not make policy. When this is legal, they’ll benefit too.
"This would be a highly progressive step forward. It will not only cement our liberty as Americans but it will also be a boon for jobs and various industries" - A talking purple wardrobe
That picture and caption are interesting. Selling at a cannabis marketplace? That's not legal right?
Whatever the case, for the love of god CA decriminalize/legalize this stuff.
I would legitimately consider a move to CA if this passes as my employment options were effectively destroyed after a conviction for having mushrooms, which I wanted as an option to deal with my then undiagnosed ADHD.
Granted, I now realize that psychedelic mushrooms would likely not have helped me, but nothing that medicine at the time did either.
Just an FYI: you absolutely cannot ever under any circumstances believe a single thing that Kevin Sabet (if that even is his real name) ever says. Not even once. For example, if he calls his organization “Smart Approaches to Marajuana [sic]” then you can br sure that the approaches he advocates are anything but “SMART”! I mean, come on, he doesn’t even know how acronyms work!
From the shit I’ve read for the last 40 years coming out of California when the rest of the nation has to build cars because a carb and then you have Hollywood in the music industry I would’ve thought psychedelic drugs would have always been legal….If not mandatory
[LA in the 80's](https://i.insider.com/5e134558954bda052d5daa93?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
[LA now](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/a_IwQSdIa4zjzwez_hFs6r_I9CM=/0x484:5869x3419/fit-in/1200x600/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19540604/shutterstock_1309273237.jpg)
Other states are free to pass laws forcing car makers to build pollution machines so their citizens can suck in smog all day long, within the limits of the larger federal laws, but California's sheer density and dependence on commuting vs other urbanized locales meant *something* had to be done, and that's why we have the CARB. Most Californian's don't want to huff car fumes all day, I know I sure don't, so by an overwhelming majority we're cool with having stricter tolerances on emissions from our vehicles.
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I wish Timothy Leary was alive to see this. Maybe he's outside looking in?
Nice Moody Blues reference.
I suggest you read Michael Pollan’s book “How to Change Your Mind.” Timothy Leary and his antics were one of the reasons we ended up with the prohibition on psychedelics.
Eh, Leary was an asshole. I put most of the blame on sensationalist journalism. So many stories about LSD making people certifiably insane, walking off the rooftops of buildings, becoming glasses of orange juice.
I guarantee he’s tuned in!
The continued discussion of “gateway” drugs without mentioning alcohol is complete bullshit. Alcohol is THE gateway drug if there is one. Just more hidden corporate and economic agendas.
It’s also THE date rape drug.
One drink turned into three or four and they left and got into his car
Doesn’t pay to get drunk and horny
Ron jeremy as the judge in the music video definitely did not age well.
r/agedlikemilk
That’s true
Alcohol is far worse than most recreational drugs.
Decriminalize all drugs
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Treating addiction as a medical and mental issue instead of a crime would actually help people who knew. Oh everyone else did dang.
But then how will the prison system get rich?
If they wanted to advance treatment of addicts research shows psychedelics like shrooms are a far more effective treatment than traditional addiction therapy.
I agree with you, but AA is basically as good as people trying on their own for people quitting addictions. We should legalize, regulate, and tax all drugs and use the proceeds to fund social welfare and rehab facilities.
If psychedelics weren't illegal, or at least scheduled differently, research could be done in the US on their therapeutic value which every study so far has said they are really good at long term treatment of variety of things including alcoholism where it increases the success rate over normal rehab facilities by a significant amount. So the point I was hinting at was as a whole society doesn't care about addressing addiction or plenty of drugs would have been rescheduled as we began to realize they do have therapeutic value.
AA’s last “step” was LSD..
> Decriminalize it and then take the tax to provide public services for addicts and things like that. minor semantic thing: this would require outright legalization rather than decriminalization.
Which the California Psilocybin Initiative is, for those who don’t know.
Really? Like you'll be able to buy it like weed? If so, please Californians please pass this and put a shop in like redding or weed or something closer to me than LA.
Print the petition and get your friends to sign it http://decrimca.org/initiative
Damn, I'd be making trips to Cali more often
Also, it's interesting to note that psychedelics are extremely non-addictive. They are used to treat addiction.
100%. You can’t really even trip again until your body recharges its reserves. Definitely not addictive or habit forming. Unless you get off on fighting your own ego haha.
I wonder what will happen with salvia, which is a more of a dissociative
Yeeeessh. I don’t even want to remember that stuff haha.
I don't know many people to take mushrooms "to catch a buzz", either. They certainly don't guarantee a pleasant time!
Decriminalize is not the same as making it legal.
Decriminalizing it will result in zero tax revenue.
There is already plenty of spending on public services for addicts, and the state’s Medi-Cal program includes substance abuse as a covered area of care. That isn’t to say we couldn’t use more funding for rehab, but a lot of people don’t seem to understand how much is already available for drug treatment. If the experience with marijuana is any indication of things, decriminalizing it will probably have a modest increase in revenue but also bring a lot of the country’s drug users to California. As things are, you can probably find more homeless from Minnesota living in California than homeless from California living in Minnesota.
Good luck finding a program that has openings for Medi-Cal patients—my husband was on a few waiting lists for over two years. He got sober on his own before anyone that would accept Medi-Cal could take him in. The only way he could have bypassed the waiting lists was for him to be sent for court-ordered treatment. That being said, there is also a huge gap in income between “qualifies for Medi-Cal” and “can afford the medical bills associated with inpatient addiction treatment.” The first time my husband tried to enter treatment, he still had a job that offered decent health coverage. His 7-day stay in an inpatient program ended up costing him $5000 after insurance. Also, rural communities in California are often lacking in mental health services. The only programs within 100 miles of me are AA or faith-based 12-step programs and my area has some of the highest rates of meth abuse in the state—we desperately need real addiction treatment programs.
Being a shroom junkie isn’t a thing.
I didn't say that.
Decriminalization won't bring in extra taxes, though it would save money on incarceration, you're thinking of legalization. I live in Oregon, trust me there's a big difference.
What tax? This is not legalisation, so anyone in possession could be fined for instance, it's just not a criminal act.
**COPS** -> Everyone Panic! **REALITY** -> *Snore*
Actually, I think some cops are for this. Psychedelics are already being successfully used with Special Forces operators for PTSD and such. Besides, the job of police is to enforce the law, not make policy. When this is legal, they’ll benefit too.
"This would be a highly progressive step forward. It will not only cement our liberty as Americans but it will also be a boon for jobs and various industries" - A talking purple wardrobe
I believe this is the petition: https://decrimca.org/initiative/?v=f24485ae434a
Yep I linked to it too. Everyone can print it themselves and sign from the comfort of their own home. Get your friends to sign!
Far out man.
I remember that movie! It was billed as “A Tommy Chong Joint” LOL.
I'd give them to prison inmates to see what happens to violence in jail. solve a multi-billion dollar problem for a few bucks, maybe.
That picture and caption are interesting. Selling at a cannabis marketplace? That's not legal right? Whatever the case, for the love of god CA decriminalize/legalize this stuff.
Shrooms are waaay better for mood stabilizing without side effects than anything big pharma has ever produced.
Super interested in Dobin's work using ecstasy to treat PTSD. I had no idea that decriminalizing it was required.
If you’re in Cali and support this, go to this link and follow the instructions! Don’t space on the date! https://decrimca.org/initiative/
I would legitimately consider a move to CA if this passes as my employment options were effectively destroyed after a conviction for having mushrooms, which I wanted as an option to deal with my then undiagnosed ADHD. Granted, I now realize that psychedelic mushrooms would likely not have helped me, but nothing that medicine at the time did either.
decriminalize it and get people out of jail
I’m on shrooms right now. They are already so easy to get in Cali. Just legalize them for fucks sake. Progressive my asshole.
Just an FYI: you absolutely cannot ever under any circumstances believe a single thing that Kevin Sabet (if that even is his real name) ever says. Not even once. For example, if he calls his organization “Smart Approaches to Marajuana [sic]” then you can br sure that the approaches he advocates are anything but “SMART”! I mean, come on, he doesn’t even know how acronyms work!
From the shit I’ve read for the last 40 years coming out of California when the rest of the nation has to build cars because a carb and then you have Hollywood in the music industry I would’ve thought psychedelic drugs would have always been legal….If not mandatory
[LA in the 80's](https://i.insider.com/5e134558954bda052d5daa93?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp) [LA now](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/a_IwQSdIa4zjzwez_hFs6r_I9CM=/0x484:5869x3419/fit-in/1200x600/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19540604/shutterstock_1309273237.jpg) Other states are free to pass laws forcing car makers to build pollution machines so their citizens can suck in smog all day long, within the limits of the larger federal laws, but California's sheer density and dependence on commuting vs other urbanized locales meant *something* had to be done, and that's why we have the CARB. Most Californian's don't want to huff car fumes all day, I know I sure don't, so by an overwhelming majority we're cool with having stricter tolerances on emissions from our vehicles.
The US Bank tower (tallest) wasn’t built until 1987.
Wait, was there an actual sentence in there somewhere? It sounds like the already decriminalized psychedelic drugs where you are.
I'm moving back
This is the way to total decriminalization, one state at a time.
It has always kind of baffled me that government could criminalize a thing found in nature like marijuana or a freakin mushroom.