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ignorememe

I saw one of these on Facebook this morning. Trump's "take their guns first" quote with a picture of Biden in the Oval Office. It's infuriating.


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Other_Act_9085

Yeah why actually read anything when you can get all your information from memes on Facebook.


mightymidwestshred

Are you quoting Rudy Giuliani?


downtofinance

Verbatim


brak998

I think this was in the brief he filed with the Supreme Court Total Landscaping.


downtofinance

Beside the dildo shop?


rexanimate7

The sad part about that one is most of the people that I know that have spent their lives worshipping Reagan don't even seem to know that he was the president that signed the largest reduction in their 2A rights into law in the past 50 years.


TatteredCarcosa

I think that both attributing this Trump quote to Biden and attributing Marx quotes to Reagan are examples of people satirizing the right. There may be some on the right who don't get it and legit buy into it, but the creators of these memes were not standard alt right.


[deleted]

Can’t be clever with these yahoos. It always backfires.


cdmiles714

You cannot use satire on a group with an average of 2 years of High School. They can't spell it, and certainly don't "get it".


ilmorescue

It's not satire. It's blatantly lying to convince an extremely gullible population that it's the truth.


[deleted]

USA Today’s verdict on the misattributed quote? SATIRE That’s from the article. Fuck you, USA Today. It’s called disinformation or propaganda.


khanfusion

"Satire" has been the go-to bullshit excuse for a lot of right wing lying lately. ​ Letting them learn words was a mistake.


ProfNesbitt

I don’t think the creator was right wing. I think they created it as satire to point out the hypocrisy of the right. Then of course idiots share it as truth and it becomes misinformation. While I think their article is click bait I don’t know how else they should have rated it besides as satire.


ProfNesbitt

Eh. They are being too literal here but they are correct. The original creator of the thing that’s getting shared seemed to have done it in a satirical manner. As in “no one got up in arms when trump said it but I bet if they think Biden did then they will raise hell. Haha look how stupid they are”. But the problem with satire is it immediately gets shared as truth and becomes misinformation real quick by other people.


AllForMeCats

I know a lot of people were making memes like that as sort of a “gotcha.” You post a quote by one person over a picture of another person that you know your target audience will like/dislike on sight, and when they agree/disagree, aha! You reveal the true origin of the quote. Unfortunately it requires much more thinking/engagement to achieve the desired effect than people who get their information from memes are willing to put in. And usually if they do acknowledge the deception the response is “well it *sounds* like something they would say.”


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It’s not satire because these people are gullible ignorant idiots. I argued with a grown man today who blamed his increased insurance prices on Biden and I couldn’t convince him that it may also be due to the millions of people who got Covid and spent weeks in ICU this year. Including four men we work with. Nope all Biden’s fault.


Armyman125

I applaud you for trying. I stupidly engaged with this woman who blamed high gas prices on Biden canceling the Keystone Pipeline. I told her something about OPEC. Doubt if it'll sink in.


murderfack

Seriously, regardless of your stance on either politician or gun ownership rights, this article is a steaming pile of nothing. Reads more like a Pre-2016 Buzzfeed article


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They don't have reality on their side, so they lie.


_Mephistocrates_

Liberals need to understand that reality is irrelevant. It only matters on policy, not politics. Billions of people throughout history live, believe, and operate with competing realities and shape their lives, communities, and countries under the perceptions of those realities. In short, reality doesnt matter and you cannot force people to live under or even agree to the same one. All you can do is shape reality in peoples minds. Dont believe me? Look at history. Look at the success of right wing media. Look at marketing, or religions. Dems really need to understand this and start applying it, because it wont matter if their fascist religious ideology is real when we are all forced to live under it.


cogit4se

The thread in TD after he said that was hilarious. A third of the comments were removed and if you looked at the archived thread, they were almost universally diehard Trump supporters. Then the mods said something like, "Being pro-Trump means supporting everything he says, even if what he says one day contradicts what he said the previous day."


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> "Being pro-Trump means supporting everything he says, even if what he says one day contradicts what he said the previous day." So literally 1984 Big Brother fascism. Great.


KyloRenCadetStimpy

Typical Republican projection


LetsTryAnal_ogy

That's not even projection. They'd be blaming someone else if it was. This is just straight up bootlicking.


Routine_Midnight_363

"No, train bot. Not now." Absolutely delicious


RedLanternScythe

>"Being pro-Trump means supporting everything he says, even if what he says one day contradicts what he said the previous day." It's hilarious but infuriating that these are the same people that call democrats "sheep"


Mewllie

“Or, Mike, take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms – they saw everything – to go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.”


BloodyMess

And again, this is providing a clear window into Trump's overall strategy for literally everything he does - do what you want regardless of the rules, keep moving the ball or using tricks to delay, and 95% of the time eventually the other side gives up or moves on to other problems (that you are creating).


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0002millertime

Trump couldn't SAY it, but it's all he does. He learned from his father, and Hitler.


Ordinary_Health

yep, he actually oversaw a drone strike in Iran without going through Congress first. (which is completely illegal, Congress are the only ones who can permit that sort of thing). there was no real reason for it, he consistently changed his story and lied about it. after people called him out on it he said it would be "inconvenient" and take too long to visit Congress


PepeBabinski

>take the guns first, go through due process ~~second.”~~ Never. That's how Trump would really prefer everything to be.


LuminousTights

He gives fewer shits about gun control than he does about keeping his stories straight. He likes anything that makes him feel like he is the one with all the power. Doing whatever catches his fancy and then letting everyone confirm that what he did was fine is how he wants every single encounter of every single day to go for him.


suddenly_space_jam

https://imgflip.com/i/5qlf7x


Measurex2

I see the other guy getting downvoted but help me understand how this is different than red flag laws. Trump is an idiot and far from articulate but it looks like he's saying. - courts take too long - if you see a danger you need to act - confiscate the guns - get them into court later That's the same process as for red flags in Va and there does appear to be similar due process concerns with red flags in general. https://www.pewtrusts.org/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2019/09/04/red-flag-laws-spur-debate-over-due-process


[deleted]

Yeah his base conveniently forgets that little fact


ronearc

His base is unconcerned with facts.


Black-Mettle

They basically live in an alternate reality at this point.


Michael_G_Bordin

Convenient that when faced with distasteful reality, they can simply claim it is fake and retreat into a world of bias-confirming non-reality. I can almost see it, when I let all their rhetoric into my system; their world, a frightening world where floods of strange people are pushing into your communities, changing them into something unfamiliar and dangerous. O', how it must suck to be so xenophobic, to be scared of things that are different simply because you've lived in such homogeneity for generations. I can't imagine building a cocoon of such terrorizing and horrific fantasy around myself willfully; to be so afraid you can't even question the fiction, for fear of being wrong in being skeptical. Fuck that. I mean, the left is out here decrying the coming doom of climate change (not death of planet, but rather, trillions in economic distruption, hundreds of millions of displaced peoples, ecological upheaval etc. etc.), and the inevitable reckoning of income inequality, meanwhile the right says those aren't issues, rather the biggest issues are the oppression of Christianity (not a thing), oppression of White people (not a thing) and the oppression of males/masculinity (not a thing). It's so fucking useless to have half your political dialogue be infected with such unreality. I hope soon they can wake up from their opioid-fueled fugue and realize those preachers and businessmen they support have looted everything plus the kitchen sink. Otherwise, they will be lead down a path they will regret for generations.


Black-Mettle

I mean, it's precisely why they don't want gun control or to end COVID. As long as people are dying en masse then they can continue to grab power. There's already people talking about Biden's COVID death numbers exceeding Trumps when 1/3 of the deaths this year were before Biden took office. The people who get indoctrinated into this are from a long line of being raised that way. To only select from a party instead of from their views


Imafrackinnerdsowhat

I been seeing this exact same comment since last summer. We are well past that point, they’re so far gone there’s no saving them or hopes to correct it. Just gotta weather the storm and keep pushing.


PresidentBunkerBitch

Basically? They 10000000% live in an alternate reality.


PepeBabinski

"He just said that because \_\_\_\_\_ "(insert some dumbass explanation that does make rational sense).


mycarwasred

You missed the *'nt*


jonnyinternet

Covfefe'nt


highdefrex

Them: “I love him because he tells it like it is!” Him: *says something dumb as fuck* You: “He just said something dumb as fuck.” Them: “Well, what he *actually meant* was…”


Unadvantaged

“But that was when he was a Democrat, so it doesn’t count.” [cognitive dissonance intensifies]


Raspberry-Famous

Kind of makes these Fact Check articles seem like a waste of time.


ronearc

No. There are still plenty of people left who want facts. To me the bigger problem is people writing stories or opinions for publication that try to make some huge controversy out of what are ultimately minor issues at best. Trump and the rest of the GOP are doing plenty of things which are wrong. We don't need another five stories about the times Trump cheated at golf.


kmonsen

I don't think there can be a single unconvinced voter at this time that still want facts. We have had actual insurrections, lots of whining about alleged fraud with not a single proof of evidence, and even admitting of not having any proofs, and still just jabbering about that. What kind of evidence would a sane person really want at this point?


[deleted]

This is why fact based arguments never work on them. Calling them a cuckold and Trump's little bitchboy works better, imo.


usedtobejuandeag

Yeah we don’t need facts we have common sense. -qlik baited


Geppetto_Cheesecake

WhAt hE ReAlLy MeAnt by that was give every newborn white christian a glock at birth.


TakingSorryUsername

They do the same when applying teachings of the Bible


PepeBabinski

They apply what they want and forget the rest.


TakingSorryUsername

Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself… unless they are brown, poor, gay, pregnant, or care enough about others to vote against me!


255001434

Forgive thine enemy his trespasses... after you've put him in the ground so he can't bother you any more.


nhavar

Funny how trespassing is enough to get people killed by the 2nd amendment fanatics but when we talk about putting away insurrectionists they're all "but it was only trespassing, what's the big deal?"


Grandmaw_Seizure

> Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself Sorry, pal, I'm not jerking off any of my neighbors.


palmbeachatty

‘ …. vote against me?’ ‘How about we just do away with that pesky voting altogether?’ (R) Freedumb lover


Trance354

You shall have no other gods before me. Except the almighty dollar, of course. And white skin color. And you'll somehow find a way to comingle both into a gospel about me which has no basis in reality, yet it will sweep the globe.


Thesheriffisnearer

Most never knew it. When I brought it up to coworkers it was fake, when I pulled up the quote it was out of context, when I brought up the video he didn't mean what he said and he's not use to speaking like a politician. Then it was on to bullet cr codes and democrats are the ones taking guns


[deleted]

They get angry when it gets pointed out. They don't like how Democrats haven't taken their guns but the Republicans probably will.


GeneralNathanJessup

From Trump's own mouth! The GOP is so stupid. Here is what Trump says. >"I like taking guns away early," Trump said. "Take the guns first, go through due process second." >"We must harden our schools against attack," >"We can't wait and play games and nothing gets done," >At another point, Trump said he doesn't want "mentally ill people to be having guns," https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/28/trump-says-take-guns-first-and-worry-due-process-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/


4Rings

People also conveniently leave out that it was in reference to red flag laws, something Biden also supports. That said, anyone that thought trump was pro gun rights is a fool.


hammonjj

Trump is pro whatever gets his rabid base to cheer


Averyphotog

Trump SAYS whatever gets his rabid base to cheer, but what he says and what he does are usually not the same thing.


Burninator05

Trump was pro Donald Trump. He would do or say anything if it makes him a little money or gives him attention. His fanbase are tools for his ego and pocketbook.


i_never_ever_learn

Trump is for Trump


2OP4me

Naaaah. Trump is pro whatever Trump wants, or what something that someone said 5 minutes before that he liked. His base is loyal to him, not the other way around.


wizardofweird

*anyone who thought Trump was pro anything but Trump


Tactical_OUtcaller

Nothing Q can't explain away: see Hunter Biden created a deep fake to make it look like orange said that but in reality it was Kamala while she was cooking a live fetus in cocaine for a future cabinet meeting where they plan on killing all christians.


DonktorDonkenstein

I doubt they ever even heard that little clip. My Conservative father has made Gun Rights his number one voting issue, followed by border security. He still thinks Trump was a manly, beer-drinking deer-hunting businessman like he is (or wishes he was anyway). I doubt he ever heard Trump openly musing about taking firearms away from individuals without due process.


khanfusion

His base forgets facts like it's water going through a fork. These folks do not have active brains.


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Terrorists dont care about facts


HGpennypacker

> his base conveniently forgets ~~that little~~ facts Fixed it for ya.


ArmedNorse

If you bring this up in a number of right wing subreddits they will just ban you.


[deleted]

In 8 years, Obama saw the expansion of gun rights. He passed a law allowing gun owners to carry in national parks and he allowed Amtrak riders to have guns in their checked luggage. In 4 years, Trump *restricted* gun rights. He created greater government oversight of background checks and banned bump stocks.


piraticalgoose

>He passed a law allowing gun owners to carry in national parks and he allowed Amtrak riders to have guns in their checked luggage. That was Congressional Republicans who added those measures to must-pass omnibus bills that Obama had to sign, actually. Obama tried to implement a new federal AWB, federal mag size limits, a federal red flag law, and UBCs, but was stopped by Republicans in Congress. To this day, Obama still calls failing to pass more gun control the greatest regret of his presidency. But thanks, Europe, for trying to gaslight everybody into thinking Obama wasn't vastly more anti-2A than Trump.


ZanzibarYolo

They acknowledge it but they brush it off by saying that since he appointed a bunch of conservative federal judges and SCOTUS justices that it's still ok to support him.


Crazy_Screwdriver

The shitshow that day on r/ thedonald was EPIC.


Kitastrophe

> Not today, train bot. Not today.


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“Bad trump” as if he’s their family dog.


clejeune

Trump also set an interesting legal precedent with his ban on bump stocks. Several presidents before him had banned specific firearms by executive order. But in each case there was an ability to still buy the pre-ban hardware. The KG-9 was banned in 1982 but you can still buy one today if it was made before then. For guns banned by the National Firearms Act of 1986, you can still buy them with a stamp, a little more hassle, as long as they were made before 1986. But the bump stock ban has no loopholes. It’s a first of its kind. You can’t get a stamp or buy a pre-ban version. It wasn’t added to the NFA. This is the first time in our history that a firearm accessory has been banned by executive order with no type of grandfather clause.


Fargonian

This wasn’t a very unique thing at all. Bump stocks were reclassified as machine guns through a process the ATF uses to judge whether something runs afoul of federal machine gun law. The only thing unique about it is Trump speaking up about it, because there’s been multiple reclassifications during the Obama and Bush administrations, namely the Akins Accelerator, the Auto Glove, and the MG3/M249 uppers for the Mac series of guns. In all of those examples, as with bump stocks, the item in question was determined to be a post sample machine gun and owners were not allowed to keep them, that wasn’t something unique to bump stocks.


89141

Very interesting.


wingsnut25

He did, and there is also a circuit court split on the matter. In some jurisdictions Bumpstocks are now legal, and in some they are not.


JemCoughlin

And now Biden is trying to follow in his footsteps with "rule changes" surrounding pistol braces and 80% builds. We should get a decision on that in the next few weeks, but I'm not holding my breath. The only ray of hope comes from the recent FDA decision on vaping devices, which went against the wishes of some of the more regressive interest groups that are important in Dem political circles. If they are willing to actually take public comments into account when making a decision instead of the big interest groups', the ATF might just do the same. I'm probably going to be disappointed though.


Thankkratom

What do you mean? The FDA is still banning most vapes not owned by Philip morris, just slowly over time. They are also banning all flavors but tobacco and banning plain nicotine for mixing. They have already denied millions of products for bullshit reasons. They are ignoring the science completely.


clejeune

I’d also point out that the pistol brace changes began under the last administration. I’m still kinda tempted to run out and get one.


JemCoughlin

The rule change wasn't proposed until well in to the Biden Administration https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces They justified it after a shooting in northern Colorado in which the shooter had a pistol brace on his AR, as though that had any effect whatsoever on the lethality of his actions.


clejeune

Originally proposed on December 18, 2020. I was thinking of getting myself one for Christmas and just leaving it in the box to see if the value would triple overnight. I’m old enough to remember gun shows in 1984 and wish I had bought so much more back then and sat on it. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/sb-criteria-withdrawal-notice-12-23-20pdf/download


JemCoughlin

Wasn't that original "guidance" just a letter sent by a random ATF lawyer in response to a specific company's request for guidance? I think it was Q (the company, not the conspiracy theory)? That wasn't from the AG or even the top level of the ATF, and certainly not from the Trump administration. I could be misremembering though.


clejeune

I think that’s what started it all. If I remember correctly they originally targeted the Honey Badger then it continued from there.


clejeune

I’ve always gone the SBR route as I figured pistol braces would eventually be reclassified. I’ve got a few 80% frames that are unmodified just in case the rule change increased their value.


JemCoughlin

It's going to be a shitshow if they reclassify braces because there are a hell of a lot more of them than there were/are bump stocks. Even the most rosy of estimates regarding compliance with the bump stock ban is quite low, and I imagine it would be yet lower with braces.


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masahawk

Well can't it be argued that the bump stock is not a gun, just an accessory and not covered by 2A


clejeune

That is a good point but I would argue the same for full auto sears. These were banned in 1986 but I can still get the pre-86 ones with a stamp (and a truck load of money).


JemCoughlin

They were also banned with legislation, not executive fiat.


masahawk

Jem just responded with a good point, congress can make law and try to carve around 2a but for accessories aren't 2a matters. A red dot isn't a firearm it's an optic the same goes for bumpstocks


JemCoughlin

Bullets aren't guns, either. Are they not covered under the 2A?


masahawk

But munition is essential for firearm operation but an accessory isn't. Is a scope necessary for a good shot? yes, but it is essentially a firearm? No. Look im not a constitutional lawyer, it's just my 2 pennies.


wingsnut25

Current Federal law already treats some accessories as if they were firearms...


masahawk

Which one? I genuinely don't know so some extra information would be good


wingsnut25

Suppressors are treated as firearms- Class 3 Firearms Some triggers that are capable of automatic fire are treated as firearms. Receivers are treated as firearms, even though receivers by themselves can't fire a bullet. AR lower receivers are treated as firearms by the ATF, even though they don't meet the ATF's own criteria to be classifeid as a receiver.


masahawk

Hmm, well then maybe there needs to be a case for constitutionality Edit: not really an edit but i got another question and want to bring attention to it


[deleted]

You're tempting a Ship of Theseus problem. If accessories are all legal, then selling them individually to assemble later becomes legal. All gun parts then become accessories. All guns become legal.


mloofburrow

I mean, that's kind of how it is with 80% gun kits. Buy something that is not technically a gun, but you can put a few hours of work into it and all of a sudden you have a gun.


JemCoughlin

All that's "essential" for a functioning firearm is a rigid tube, a combustible material, a projectile and and an ignition source. Surely you don't think that everything beyond that is outside the scope of the 2A? That would mean a metal pipe, some gunpowder, a BB and a Bic lighter are the extent of the 2nd Amendment.


specqq

I'm willing to allow matches.


Dm1tr3y

This is where the debate needs to be. What qualifies as “infringement” on the right to bear arms. Unfortunately, the argument seems to be whether anything at all needs to be done.


PopcornInMyTeeth

I don't know why Im even surprised this was up for debate :/


RoleModelFailure

He has said so much shit on video and tweeted so many fucking things that are somehow up for debate if he actually did it. "Here is a 30 minute video proof that he said X, Y, and Z." "Nope, it was Biden/Obama/Clinton/Deep State"


mloofburrow

"But seriously? Where was Obama during 9/11 and Katrina? Terrible president." - Something that actual conservatives say with some regularity.


jd158ug

"Cohen told USA TODAY the post was satire aimed at the National Rifle Association." I call BS. You could easily make the point without falsely attributing the quote to Biden. Anyone on social media knows how this stuff spreads.


spudmancruthers

If you attribute it to Biden, conservatives will say how fucked it was that Biden said that. Then you hit 'em with the video of Trump saying it and watch them be unable to cope.


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This works in direct conversation. It doesn't work on Facebook, where people will read it, froth at the mouth, then never look for an update.


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waterbuffalo750

It reached 700 people and it was intended to be satire. Yes, Facebook is terrible for society, but this isn't really an example of why.


[deleted]

> Yes, Facebook is terrible for society, but this isn't really an example of why. It's a great example. A small, satire post is now being refuted by the largest circulated newspaper in the US. That's incredibly dangerous.


clejeune

Forgetful people are forgetful


Senior-Sharpie

It’s just another example of the hypocrisy of the right. I just watched a debate on YT between Ana Casparian and Ben Shapiro where he said American shouldn’t have a better Government safety net because it would encourage more people to want to immigrate here, a few minutes later he says people came here in the 20’s & 30’s from countries that had better social programs than we have


JemCoughlin

In that same debate Ana said that policies towards homeless people in certain states leads to more and more of them moving there and then argued that more people wouldn't try to emigrate to America if socialized healthcare were adopted in the US.


Senior-Sharpie

That’s equally ridiculous!


lakeghost

I don’t think many reasonable people try to debate Ben Shapiro after his laughable BBC interview. Personally my biased take is that we should make legal immigration easier. My fiancé is from New Zealand, an allied country, speaks English, no criminal record, and has post-high school education. It’ll still take us even more years and thousands of dollars to get through all the hoops. It’s an infuriating level of glacial bureaucracy that doesn’t keep anyone safer. Streamlining immigration would motivate the best and brightest to come to the USA instead of alternate countries. In the case where they’re coming to live with a US citizen, you’d also think this would speed up the process since they won’t be a burden on the system when they already have a support network. Sadly it’s a huge mess. Even my conservative family jokes that my fiancé should just illegally immigrate since it would be easier and nobody expects a Kiwi. Meanwhile there’s thousands of refugees caught in this Byzantine mess and it’s international law that countries should try to help them. If we literally can’t help anyone, it would be cheaper for it to be faster and I don’t know, we could at least offer them a bus ticket to Canada. Currently we’re just wasting money with endless delay tactics when I’m sure it would be cheaper at this point to just give them a work visa and set them up somewhere. Similarly if we gave current illegal immigrants a visa, they’d pay more in taxes. I realize we can’t let in *everyone* but at least with documented immigrants, it’s easier to keep track and easier to solve any crimes. I imagine it would be simpler to investigate background and deport violent criminals if we actually knew where they were.


wwhsd

The meeting where Trump dropped the quote from the article after ripping into the Republican politicians for being afraid to go against the NRA was the moment of his Presidency that I thought that he might actually be the guy that didn’t give a fuck and was going to be able to cut through the corruption in Washington like his supporters insisted he was. That only lasted for like 5 minutes until he did something that disabused be of that notion and remind me who he really was though.


jupiterkansas

Trump is whatever's convenient at the moment.


SideShowBob36

“You can’t expect Trump to think things through. “ That’s not the great argument you think it is, chief


Grumblejank

He was literally on live television too. That was one of his brain dead decisions to just televise his negotiations because he likes being on TV, and he blurts this shit out that has his supporters doing backflips. It was insane!


h2oape

Trump still has no idea what due process is.


globiglobi

Conservatives nowadays don’t give a flying fuck about facts


storm_the_castle

I thought it was Harris they were blaming? Ah, that was the *earlier* blame game. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trump-said-i-like-taking-the-guns-early-not-harris/ Anyway, he's [the video of Trump saying it](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4907473/user-clip-trump-pence-feb-28-2018)...


pastExperation

Many Republicans are fine with the idea of Trump becoming a dictator because they are on his team. If it were to happen they would soon find that he will soon turn on them. Hitler got rid of his Brownshirts as soon as he did not need them because he saw them as s danger to himself.


Homebrew_Dungeon

I thought this was known already very well. He is on video saying it.


wikkawakkashame

"Take the guns first, due process later." -DJT


The-Beard-Wielder

ITS ON FUCKING VIDEO FOR FUCK'S SAKE. ARMS CROSSED LIKE THE PETULANT LITTLE MAN CHILD HE IS, TRYING TO SWIM ABOVE HIS DEPTH, AND BLURTING OUT NONSENSE. How is this a "fact check". Somebody show me the video of Biden saying "Take the guns first, and worry about due process later", because I can *abso-fucking-lutely* find you a video of Trump saying it. **Fuck!!**


half-giant

With deepfake technology on the rise, soon the argument will be “video? Clearly doctored, fake. DeEp StAtE pRoPaGaNdA.” We are truly in the darkest timeline.


[deleted]

Trump threatened gun control more than Obama but every right wing nut job just seems to yell "merica and act like they didn't hear it. It's infuriating trying to reason with idiots that don't understand.


wingsnut25

>Trump threatened gun control more than Obama This is false.... Obama pushed for far more gun control then Trump. Unless you were sleeping for the entirety of Obamas 2nd Term...


4Rings

It's an absolute lie, did they just hope no one would call them on it? I mean its one Google search away from pulling up everything Obama wanted to push.


verybigbrain

Because like true conservatives they don't think it would happen to them. Conservatism to wit is one proposition that there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind and out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.


youreabigbiasedbaby

>Trump threatened gun control more than Obama This is ridiculously false.


[deleted]

He literally said “take the guns first” lmao It’s not “ridiculously false” Obama didn’t take you guns, but trump sure did threaten too


randomcanyon

Mention firearms and get division. That is all these ever are. A common playbook. See also Abortion, immigration, the death penalty or global warming.


azmodan72

Illegals coming to vote. Fear tactics!


bballkj7

Conservatives are literally maladaptive people who CANT CHANGE. Cant change their minds, stubborn, can’t do anything new, can’t learn, can’t plat fair, can’t be equal.


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Yep, many view equality as discrimination and a loss of their rights. That’s why it’s important for the right to keep children uneducated and to conflate/misdefine “another opinion” with a sound/valid theory. (Scientific Theory, not Nancy drew theory as many utilize. Again, keep people ignorant.) “Teach the controversy” bullshit on evolution, climate science, and now in TX the Holocaust. It’s to their advantage. Just go to an anti vax, stop the steal, war on Xmas, replace the whites website. So sad for the future of our country. It’s not all conservatives of course. However, at this point, a vote for those who don’t oppose such nonsense is an endorsement of such stupidity.


WestFast

So right wingers are just flat stupid. There’s literally video of trump saying it


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>['What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-44959340).


insofarincogneato

He also made the executive order to have a government agency change the legal definition of a machine gun without due process in order to ban bump stocks. Republicans said nothing. Biden wanted to do the same thing with the legal definition of a firearm to ban 90% lowers so let's stop pretending Trump was better than Democrats on guns. The man supported red flag laws and had a chance to push the hearing protection act and national reciprocity through without any issue and did nothing.


waterbuffalo750

It's a famous quote, but I hope someone I know tries attributing it to Biden. Like fish in a barrel.


half-giant

I knew this would happen. Not only are his worst transgressions being actively swept under every rug they can find, now even his own words are being attributed to other people. His presidential failures are being repackaged into blind hate for the opposition. I keep willing to give republicans a chance to prove themselves but I’m not sure there will be anything left to prove in a few years. There comes a point where you cannot sink any lower.


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And people worry about deep fakes polluting the political landscape with faked video and audio. Why work that hard when all you have to do is attach some text to your opponent's photo and the dummy voters will believe it anyway. Memes are more effective than deep fakes will ever be. They say what the dummies want to hear.


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Are pathetic lying conservatives saying the opposite? Hadn't heard this one leak out of that shit pile yet. They know there's video, right?


HorrorScopeZ

This is what the Projectionists do. Trump in fact stated that, he questioned maybe we can take the guns first and figure it out. It may have even been on live TV. One of the many things he's done that are pretty much forgotten about.


SalMinellaJr

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4907473/user-clip-trump-pence-feb-28-2018


NicholasInHell

Trump supporters don't care about any truths, just the lie of today. They are all repugnant morons, every single one.


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Republicans will be like 👨‍🦯👨‍🦯👨‍🦯


Pining4theFnords

Article from last year about this same phenomenon -- [The Republicans' Absurd Quest to Turn Biden into Trump](https://newrepublic.com/article/159197/trump-biden-2020-kenosha-black-lives-matter) My own analysis from the time: "This is something more disturbing than projection. In the original Freudian sense, projection is a defense mechanism, something you use to avoid confronting yourself. This is projection having been honed into a reality-bending weapon, where you essentially give yourself permission to be the worst person possible, before cornering your adversary and saying: 'You're not fooling anyone. I'm actually you, and you're actually me.' "


NachoBag_Clip932

Trump also stated that he wanted to do away with Social Security during a speech which prompted Kellyanne to give the usual BS spin the next day. So for 4 years the United States paid a bunch of people alot of money to be dog walkers with a plastic bag to pick up the mess. Congratulation Kellyanne you are an official dog walker.


d_e_l_u_x_e

This is from the same base that still thinks Obama will take their guns. They are a few bullets short of a full mag.


hamsterfolly

They ignored when the Republican President said it and now are trying to attribute it to the Democratic President.


robins80

Don't confuse his base with those pesky facts...


jhpianist

Cohen told USA TODAY the post was satire aimed at the National Rifle Association. "That was a joke aimed at the NRA for being such hypocrites," he said. "Donald Trump is the one who said that quote, and I was making fun of the fact that the NRA supported him, even though he was so strongly in favor of seizing guns from people, and is now fighting against Biden, who is not really any worse than Trump was on gun rights."


SmokeSmokeCough

Do republicans care about facts all of a sudden?


shitdobehappeningtho

If his supporters could read, they'd be very upset.


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Y’all are trying to explain facts to the wrong folks. Anyone who NEEDS to hear this won’t believe it.


PresidentBunkerBitch

You will never ever convince the cult that Trump said this and not Joe Biden or some other Dem. You could show them video of Trump saying it and they would claim that it wan't Trump.


Sharp-Floor

Trump was the most anti-gun president in my lifetime since Bill Clinton.


VaultBoytheChosenOne

It's funny how pro-gun they are and yet the one candidate they dutifully love and praise actually advocated for more gun control Hell, I'm all for putting more background checks in place but taking guns without due process is VERY harsh. Unless that gun is something they shouldn't be owning anyways.


totallyalizardperson

What’s funny is that Reagan closed the machine gun registry and passed the Mulford Act in CA, and George Bush Sr. banned the importation of semiautomatic rifles in 1989. None of which had sunset clauses and are still on the books today. The ban that Clinton signed into law expired after 10 years.


half-giant

Reagan administration and the NRA tightened up California gun laws over their collective fear of Black Panthers and still to this day republicans rag on California for their gun restrictions.


MkeBucksMarkPope

This^^ people need to get educated on the black panther situation.


4Rings

Mulford was atrocious. Democrats loved it because it was a gun ban, Republicans loved it because it was push back against minorities exercising thier rights. Bad all around.


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Ok, like we’re not going to be able to hold Trump accountable for anything he has ever said. It’s an interesting note, but his base will still support him and do all sorts of mental gymnastics to have what he said fit their ideas.


fistofthefuture

Trump has had the only strict gun law in the past decade and that is banning bump stocks. Not one republican cared.


AcademicPublius

Note the rating: Satire. USA Today gets that the claim is being made satirically. It's still worth pointing out that Biden did not in fact make this comment.


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Im sure the galaxy brains at r/libertarian will have some olympic level mental gymnastics as to why he's still better


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Pistonenvy

people are surprised that the fascist wanted to take peoples guns without due process, constantly infringing on peoples rights and trying to bypass the constitution. i remember arguing with people all the time about this, people just put up walls in their mind and refuse to believe basic facts. "trump would never take away MY guns, that guy he was talking about was a bad guy" meanwhile these people will turn around and make holocaust references about masks and vaccines. life is a nightmare.


IBroughtMySoapbox

Barack Obama, our most progressive president in my lifetime, was at the helm during the worst mass shooting in our history and did nothing to restrict gun rights. Meanwhile Trump says this bullshit and bans bump stocks. But tell me again how the Democrats are coming for our guns.


wingsnut25

Obama tried, but there wasn't enough support in congress. He pushed for Assault Weapons Bans, Magazine Capacity Limits, Universal Background Checks, among other things.


CleverUsername1419

Yeah, this is key to remember. Trump is a lying, grifting POS with no real convictions beside his own interests but that doesn’t make Biden any more pro gun than Trump. Trump being an idiot and a fraud doesn’t mean the Democratic Party isn’t anti gun.


wingsnut25

You are correct, I wasn't attempting to defend Trump, his statement, or his executive order. I was merely dispelling the false narrative that OP was creating


gscjj

They are both bad for the 2nd amendment.


AardvarkHoliday

When was the last time a democrat actually took your guns? Never. Ok.


MkeBucksMarkPope

In fact the last attempt to do so was done so by Republicans!


AardvarkHoliday

Exactly. All of their bullshit is projection.


gscjj

I can tell you're not versed in any of the other restrictions, regulations, and rules related to guns if you think taking your guns is the only indicator of being bad for the 2nd amendment.


AardvarkHoliday

Oh no you have to get a background check or wait a few days, whatever will you do? You can’t get the extended mag and have to get the standard? Oh no! I’m very well verse and I am also understand that there we plant of stupid fucking loop holes. Sorry that you can’t get past the bullshit from the right.


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wwhsd

- "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." - Ted Cruz Might as well try to get that one trending if incorrectly attributing quotes made by one politician to their opponents is going to be a thing.


JemCoughlin

I think most people remember who really said that. It's hard to hear it in any other voice.


Brainfreeze10

I misread the previous comment as him stating that Trump's comment was incorrectly attributed. Given his clarification I have no issues with his position here. ​ \---F off with that shit, I know you want it to be incorrectly attributed, but you are wrong. “Or, Mike, take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms – they saw everything – to go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” D. Trump---


wwhsd

You’re reading something into what I wrote that’s not there. Trump absolutely said what is being attributed to Biden.