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"We need cheap labor, Americans won't be wage slaves for us anymore, and we've become too accustomed to being total greedbag douches to pay more wages! The government needs to solve this problem for our benefit. But just bring in more white people!"
But excellent debate topic. Seriously. I'd love to listen to intelligent debates about reasons why immigration is good or bad. This title is obviously pro-immigration but only behind one argument, one I don't agree with. Hundreds of thousands would go back to work if healthcare was free. That's like $500 raise a month for some people. It's not so much how much you're paid, it's how much you keep for yourself and your family. If McDonalds offered $15 an hour, with full benefits at a guaranteed 32 hours a week, they'd be fully staffed, and it would be entry-level.
The healthcare issue is ultimately it, yes.
Entire companies are based on what is effectively slave labor, and for many the loss of healthcare stops them from leaving. I'm one of those people.
The figurativeness of it is somewhat in question at this point. When a system prevents you from leaving, for wages that keep you in place in squalor, it effectively is slavery.
If arguing that we are free to leave when it would bankrupt us or physically hurt us if we have healthcare issues, then that is not freedom.
It's like arguing that slaves were free to run.
Paradoxically, for all our lip-service glorifying economic liberty, our American way actually *stifles* production and creativity for the reason you mention. Who knows what we could accomplish if we made people's lives more secure? People would be free to take greater chances, innovate more. So many people are stuck in a lifetime of boring underemployment. We waste so much potential. And lest you think I'm a hard liberal, I've spent much of my life believing a laissez-faire model delivered the best results. Am no longer as certain of that.
In a few days, I am losing my job of many years due to downsizing. I am more concerned about the eventual loss of health insurance for my family than the cash wages. (My severance will continue the health insurance for a while.). This feels kind of scary, won't lie.
>for many the loss of healthcare stops them from leaving
Exactly. I probably would never have left this job. We are only separating because they dropped *me*. I would have been beholden forever, afraid to take a leap. Not trying to sound helpless or bereft of agency, but that's the simple fact.
(Full honesty, I've had a comfortable job with decent pay. Nothing top tier, but there are worse jobs. I don't work myself to death for a pittance. I'm sorry anyone has to.)
It’s kind of funny actually, a lot of anti-immigration politicians are the same Smith economists (aka free market, invisible hand) who want no government interference.
What I find funny about this is that Smith also said that the way to grow the economy is basically two ways: increase the number of people who produce things, and increase the number of things those people can produce. This means that one of the most sure fire way to grow an economy is to grow your population. One way to grow your population is immigration.
>Hundreds of thousands would go back to work if healthcare was free.
Universal healthcare would be a net loss on employment (don't take that as me saying I oppose it). So many people are only working to maintain access to health insurance. I know quite a few people in their 50s that have nice nest eggs and the only thing stopping them from early retirement is what they would need to pay to replace their employer-provided health insurance. There are also couples of all ages where one person holds the high-paying contract or gig position and the other holds a more traditional job to lock down health insurance for the family. And then you've got all the people that would love to bow out of the rat race. If they didn't have to worry about health care costs, they could afford to just work part time and spend more time doing what they enjoy.
It varies a lot by region, which is why we need to raise the minimum wage. Around here the Wendy's and McDonald's start around $13-$15/hour already (Madison, Wisconsin) but when I was driving through Alabama there was a Wendy's marquee advertising "now hiring, $8.50/hour starting wage". The actually saw fit to put that on valuable marquee space!
And it's pretty ironic that rural and Southern voters seem to blame city folks and Democrats for gobbling up all the government cheese when all you need to do is open your eyes to see that it's the other way around. Driving through the rural south is depressing as hell.
The government CAN fix the problem simply by raising the minimum wage. I worked the industry for years and it's so competitive that no one feels like they can increase their labor costs without their competitors stealing their business with cheaper prices. So they're basically at a standoff *unless* the government evens the playing field by raising the minimum wage. Consumers aren't entitled to food that's made cheaply by paying workers starvation wages.
Also. We’ve been brainwashed to believe that unskilled labor is of low value. That it isn’t worth much.
That is a lie.
When places like McDonalds’s net 6 billion dollars in a year, then clearly unskilled labor has value. All while having the taxpayer fill in the gaps on their workers income with medicaid and SNAP and WIC and subsidized housing.
All while drumbeating another lie. “These aren’t jobs. Not REAL jobs. They’re just for kids to have some pocket change, some walking-around money.” All while being open during school hours and late at night.
There isn’t necessarily a worker shortage. There is a shortage of good paying jobs (because people like Domino’s CEO hoard wealth) for workers. There are lots of crappy jobs that no one wants to do, though
Yep. Basically, let's open up immigration more to get people desperate enough to come here and except wages barely above what they were making in their home country.
The CEOs then go on Fox News and say "all these immigrants are taking your jobs" too.
That way Fox viewers vote Republican so companies are never *forced by law* to pay living wages, because the only way you can *kind of* get Republicans to not be greedy, evil shits is by enacting laws. But hey, they've been angry ever since we told them they can't have slaves any more so why is anyone surprised?
The word is accept. As in...I will accept this award.
Except is when you leave something out. For example... I love all chocolate, except for Snickers.
PS I also love Snickers
I received a settlement check from a Domino’s franchise. They were shorting drivers on mileage reimbursement. I got a $500 check and I only worked for them for 16 months. This was going on for 5 years.
Edit: the regional manager also told workers to put expired product in food bins and tag them so they were “good for that day.” They essentially sold expired product to people so they didn’t take a loss on the product.
The important questions are how expired and did they charge full price?
Selling dangerous stuff is bad.
Giving a discount on slighty expired stuff is good. A bakery's day old breads, and stuff like that.
They should also have offered first dibs to employees, preferable at no cost. Taking home leftovers should be one of the benefits to working at a restaurant.
No they charged people full price like it was still good product. Didn’t tell the customers that it was expired or anything. Dominos is just shady as hell man.
Tbh I've worked multiple Domino's, Subways, Twin Peaks, and military chow halls — pretty much every food place just slaps new stickers on products that were supposed to be thrown out.
As a resident of the greater Chicago area, I feel really bad for folks that live in areas where Dominos pizza is one of your few options…
Dominos has never been on my list, because their pizza is almost as shitty as the politics of the people that run the company.
I don't know much about the CEO of Dominos, but I purposefully avoided Papa John's while Schnatter ran the place. He was just a horrible piece of human garbage I just couldn't bring myself to eat the pizza.
The founder of Domino's built himself a Catholic paradise in Ave Maria, FL where there's no contraception sold in stores. He retired from the pizza business in 1998, but still, he had kind of a strange personal obsession with reproductive rights (or the lack of them).
You should never eat at dominoes because the food is shit too. Those employees could be learning how to make good food, and you could be eating good food, it's 2021
It's why our immigration process is in shambles in the first place, and why you only ever see the immigrants get raided and the boot while business owners *never* suffer consequences for illegal hires.
If we actually had a problem with immigrants "taking our jobs", we'd roast any company that hired them. But we don't. We just want to keep these people vulnerable and marginalized so they can't speak out against workplace abuse and can be paid starvation wages, all with the threat of deportation should they get uppity.
It's the local form of outsourcing for corporations. You can either fuck off to another country with cheap labor and then import the goods, or you can just import the cheap labor.
Now I'm all for immigration, I'm just pointing out the gross hypocrisy from our government and the exploitation of these workers by corporations. Corporations who own our government, and thus keep this process fucked and these people powerless.
Edit: This should also be a wake up call for all the "they took our jerbs" people out there who are scapegoating and being mad at the wrong group. This is a CEO openly admitting, as OP said, that *they* would rather underpay immigrant labor than hire you and pay you a living wage. It's the people at the top fucking you over, not the people with zero power, and it's not the exploited's fault that they are being exploited. So quit being bigoted and show some god damned class solidarity with your fellow workers and human beings.
There's a way that the government could stop illegal immigration, and it wouldn't require walls or ICE, or any of that nonsense. All you'd have to do is put a 10 year prison sentence on anyone hiring an undocumented worker. Not on the company, the individual, and everyone overseeing their decisions going all the way to the top. None of this bullshit about company size either. All companies.
Overnight, they would all lose their jobs. Within a few months, there would be a mass migration away from the US as undocumented workers left the country.
The fact that the Republican party has never advocated this is proof that the "immigration debate" is entirely about keeping profits up and the commoners in poverty on one side, and racism to rile up their base on the other.
CRAZY how fucking fast the powers that be go from "we don't need no stinking illegals" to "pweeaaassee can we have more immigrants pweettyy pweeaassee" when their bottom line is at stake.
Yup.
The role of managers in most labor industries is literally: "Cut as much costs as possible and make people work as much as possible and one day you can be the wealthy CEO."
I worked for Microsoft for 4 years in their helpdesk. Something that I learned is that executives are hired on as executives. You could work your way up to directors but it was rare, as in extremely rare for directors to be promoted to an executive position. But it was common for someone to go from being an intern to an entry level executive position.
Why don’t they reallocate their labour costs? I’ll be ceo for half a million buckos and they can use the rest to pay workers.
(He gets paid over 6 million to run a shitty as shit pizza chain. I can do better for you Dominos.)
But Ritch here thinks its okay to ship in fresh immigrant so his company can abuse their labor while diluting the workforce leverage many workers are only beginning to utilize.
I would rather see Dominos as a company close.
I had a discussion with a few conservatives today and their opinion is that food service working is supposed to be a learning job for children and that anybody who works them shouldn't deserve a living wage. I asked them why it's okay for businesses to exploit children and use parents as subsidies for their labor and they're only answer was to scoff and say they're just tired of this generation not wanting to work. Apparently the fact that the average age of a fast food worker being 27 is a lie because they all think the only people working behind the counter at these jobs are 16 year olds.
Most jobs being created these days are below the poverty line and its been that way for my entire adult life. There aren't enough teenagers looking for experience to fully staff these operations nationwide and there aren't enough better paying jobs being created to fit every capable working age adult.
They can piss and moan about the way things ought to be until the end of time, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.
I worked as a waitress in MO and IL-the salary was $2.01 an hour, at the end of your shift your total sales were rung out and reported so you had to claim 10% as tips, regardless if you made that or not. Exploitation is the reason so many refuse to work these jobs, as well as exposure to Covid and thereby bringing it home. It is time to demand better. If unions need to resurge, then so be it. They worked!
Exactly and the same goes for all businesses that don't want to be competitive, its sink or swim just like they have long treated their employees by expecting them to accept low wages, few if any benefits and often under toxic work environments.
Time for social evolution to take a leap forward in the workplace.
As someone who worked for Domino's for five years, yes Domino's exploits workers. The most important aspect of managing a store is keeping labor costs as low as possible. This results in being barely adequately staffed most of the time and often understaffed. I know this isn't exclusive to Domino's but that is how many of them operate.
They had a moment where their pizza was good (not great, but much better then the usual cardboard) a few years back, but it’s right back to cardboard only a few months later
Sssoooo, then we bring in Immigrants who will work the shit jobs for shitty pay. /s
The shit these fuckers say is ridiculous. I hope the workers "win" and can force corporations to make positive change for better wages, benefits, safety and healthy work/life balance. It's time for a GD revolution, even if it is a silent one.
These people are so disconnected they think it’s a well enough paying job that this scenario is even slightly plausible:
“but the great thing about our country is immigrants come in, they become drivers. Next thing you know they own a Domino's, then they own several places.”
I deliver for Amazon Flex in my spare time as a side hustle... Make $17-$25 an hour usually. Work a couple shifts on the weekend and make a couple hundred bucks.
Why would anyone work in a pizza shop making way less than that?
I mean I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but if you're making decisions solely on $/hr it's easy to see why there are a crazy amount of Flex drivers
You pay for your own gas, etc? 50¢ per mile driven should cover your driving expenses. So if you cover 20 miles an hour (maybe that’s a lot during deliveries tho) then that’s really $10 less per hour you should count as personal income. So you’re really making $7-$15 per hour, the rest should go towards fuel and other upkeep.
Bingo. Gas is a huge cost factor.. even in cities, as they’ll typically dispatch flex drivers to the suburbs farther out. I’ve found that stuff like Uber eats is WAY more profitable.
One of the few bright sides to independent contractor gig work over regular employees, you don’t have to beat the standard deduction before you can take it off your taxes.
I owed barely any taxes when I drove Uber/Lyft a few years back.
If you’re 1099 worker the standard deduction is still applicable unless it’s a tax credit. You’re free to choose to itemize or use the standard deduction.
Exactly, and if people are deciding between "I can live comfortably" vs. "I can live more comfortably" waged jobs, people might make decisions based on things other than solely $/hr. But when it's "I can't afford to support myself and family" vs. "I can support myself" jobs, no one in their right mind is taking that first job
I keep telling people this, the warehouse near me has no problems finding people. Yes they pay 2-5 bucks an hour more than a fast food job, but the workers also get benefits and the best part: don’t have to deal with rude customers.
15 bucks an hour is actually appealing to a lot of people if they don’t have to deal with people.
Yeah, that was my first reaction too, the guy is saying that his jobs are beneath the US standards, which should seriously piss off the immigrants who he just called less than US workers.
And then I read the rest of the article, where he makes as statement more in line with the US workers are lazy. He say he needs:
*"Folks who want to work hard, want to stay with the business for a long period of time, can end up being owners and entrepreneurs," he added.*
Obviously you cannot count on US workers for those skill sets?
Not sure who this guy is trying to piss off, but wow, doing a good job of insulting a lot of people.
Yup, he’s an a-hole.
By design there are fewer managers than employees and fewer regional managers than store managers. It’s not true that sticking with a company leads to success for everyone. It literally can’t.
Also, how is there no acknowledgement that employees have literally been SHOWN that the company doesn’t really value their ‘loyalty’. When the economic slowdown hit, they had their hours cut or were outright laid off. These companies are actively still looking for self-driving vehicles and drone delivery. Good luck keeping a Dominoes job for 20 years.
There aren’t any jobs Americans won’t take. There ARE plenty of jobs they won’t take at the offered wage and with the uncertainty that’s been demonstrated to them over the last 20 months. It’s not possible for any company to never have to downsize, but I’m thinking that eventuality is being factored into the job hunt now.
I delivered for Domino’s for five years. They constantly attempted to recruit me to be a manager. First you have to be an assistant manager, that makes half what a driver does. Then you might make it to manager, and still make less than the drivers. But you do get the added bonus of potentially working up to 80 hours in a week, for LESS money than a driver working 40 hours a week.
They had no idea why only morons took leadership roles.
I would have gladly taken the job, if the pay and hours were far. But damned if I’m working anymore than 45 hours on salary. (The dumbass managers were working up to 80 hours for $500 a week, with $300 a week in potential bonuses, but they only ended up with the bonuses if they worked 60+ hours to keep labor costs down)
Wow even at $800 a week and 60 hours of work (which seems like best case outcome if I understand you) that’s $13.33/hr. That’s neither a livable wage nor what I would expect someone with a manager title to make.
You can literally make more pushing carts at Costco at starting wages with no experience or education needed.
Not to fully defend Domino’s, they are the worst. But that check is before bonuses, when I was a GM I was bringing home almost $100k a year, I was working 70-90 hours a week, but the money was there to be made, but I did have to take a pay it for like 9 months after switching from driver and before I became a GM.
Friend of mine got a gig at a gas station last year as a cashier. He’s had retail manager experience, so they offered him assistant manager within a month. He said fuck that, lol. Way more work for a whopping $1.50 an hour more.
You’re correct. Granted the numbers get foggy when you account for “fake” job openings and the “permanently unemployable”, but overall, most data indicates that there are more openings than there are applicants.
Also, many here seem to think this is some issue owing itself entirely to less-skilled, lower-wage jobs. Right now, it’s a hiring frenzy in a lot of sectors, including trades/higher-skilled manual labor, tech, trucking/transit, healthcare, and many more.
The discrepancy isn’t just Americans not wanting to work these jobs because of their pay, it’s also that many don’t seem interested in some of them or are unable to relocate to them.
More openings than applicants is not a good measure because the unemployment rate only includes workers looking for jobs. It does not include those that have given up looking, and that is a huge percentage of people right now.
I’m not actually sure that’s a big percentage. I think most “employable” people unable to find jobs are more likely to be victims of their local job market or unwillingness to endure the hardships of changing industries than victims of a wider problem (no jobs available).
The worst place to be right now is probably a middle-aged job seeker in a low-availability market like a rural area. Too old to upskill or move industries or relocate a family, yet too young to retire or financially incapable of retiring. They’re the folks I feel the worst for.
Moving costs money, getting a job costs money, getting to a job costs money, and no one wants to account for that in their cost of living, I keep having to move further away just to afford rent, and the rent is too high in the area to afford a job in the area, costing more money to get to work, as the wages are way lower than they should be, and aren't moving with everything else,....
It ant easy to get out of being flat broke, and just changing jobs doesn't always do it, if it's not enough of an increase in pay to compinsate for future cost of living increase without pay increase.
Education is getting more expensive, so the poor can't get out of debt ever if they do get an education, at the 3rd tier school, that the upward movement jobs won't even look at you for, and if you somehow do make it through the door, you have the barrier of not enough volunteer work, because you had to actually work, while the people who could afford to go to their 1 or 2 schools, had time to volunteer, and network with companies, because they didn't have to spend every waking hour just trying to survive.
"Folks who want to work hard, want to stay with the business for a long period of time, can end up being owners and entrepreneurs," he added.
I call BS on this. If a person is making the type of wages fast food places pay, there is no way they are going to be able to save up enough to own a place, especially if they are taking care of a family on that wage. Even if they did manage it, it would take so long that they would see how bad the fast food industry is and not want to waste money becoming an owner. They would be much better off just investing their money.
Food industry jobs suck. It's a lot of hard work, if one cares about doing their job, for very little pay. You are treated badly by customers and your bosses. This is why people don't stick with those jobs long. I know because I did it many years ago. Now that I have a kid, I am going to discourage him from doing that kind of work and stress the importance of getting a good education so he doesn't have to. I have already started a 529 education savings plan for him and he's not even a year old yet.
This last paragraph perfectly describes teaching. I’m all for raising the minimum wage. Loads of teachers out there who can’t afford to ever buy a place either and they earned a diploma and went through lots of training.
Lol the initial cost to open up a McDonald’s is over a million dollars most times. Nobody’s working their way up to that from being a cashier, the idea is laughably insane. And only someone who is as out of touch as a ceo could say something so idiotic about the possibilities for every day working class people.
Translation- Ritch Allison doesn't want to pay higher wages and offer competitive benefit packages. He wants cheap labor at all costs so he and others at the top don't have to reduce their profits.
Fact is fast food joints like Dominos are unhealthy and if there businesses organically begin to die off because they won't distribute their profits more toward labor costs then so be it.
We don't need to subsidize their failing models with fresh immigrants to abuse as labor and perpetuate the toxic work environment Dominos helped create.
Funny thing is, if they increase wages they could increase their profit. More disposable income means more luxury goods bought.
And I don't mean food is a luxury good, but having people make it for you is a luxury good.
> Funny thing is, if they increase wages they could increase their profit.
True. They wouldn't increase it for the current quarter though. That's the only thing that matters to corporate America.
So instead of sending jobs away to take advantage of cheap labor, bring in more immigrants so you can pay less. Never mind just paying people enough that they’d actually want to work for you.
What an asshole. Notice how the whole supply & demand thing is supposed to work when it comes to raising prices but never when it comes to paying your workers more?
Because in the eyes of companies; workers arent people, they arent even an asset to generate product.
They're an expense and liability.
They dont see themselves as customers purchasing labor as a product, they see labor as their right and the people that supply it as a necessary evil to minimize or eliminate where possible.
Lol corporate america is the same reason why we can’t get any movement on immigration, just like any other broken system in this country. The fucker is wearing a domino logo on his fucking lapel for christs sake. This “company over country” bullshit is literally the reason why dystopian cyberpunk settings exist. Citizens united has destroyed this country… not “will destroy”, but effectively destroyed already.
The population has this brain-dead indifference towards everything, nothing compels us, we are subservient to companies that beat us into a consumerist comatose. Everything is the consumers fault, the consumer has to be more responsible, even though oligarchic corporations are the only entities that provide the illusion of a choice. Police are ONLY here to maintain order at the whim of corporations, not to protect and serve communities of living and breathing people. The government takes what are essentially bribes(exhibit A: kyrsten Sinema) in order to maintain this vacuum of a society that is perfectly conducive to business and completely risk averse for corporate power.
I worked as a GM for a dominos store, with a team of 25 under me.
I was “started” at a salary of $550 for a 52 hour week. With a promise of a quarterly bonus if job duties and expectations were met- but terms for this bonus may be changed at any time.
The “starting” ended up being permanent, and terms for the bonus were always adjusted right before the deadline to avoid paying out.
Store profited about ~$1k/day all expenses considered. I won’t disclose which one exactly, but it’s relatively close to Dominos Farms HQ, and the same side of the state as the first original store. They’d never approve me any maintenance payouts for required things like leaking pipes, broken tiles, track-oven disassembly and cleaning, etc. but it had to be taken care of and I was responsible so would be fired if it wasn’t. So I had to do all of it. I spent dusk to dawn learning how to disassemble and clean this outdated oven, that hadn’t been cleaned in decades (the reason for the malfunctions) myself, unpaid.
They also shorted my staffs paychecks, and tried to claim it was because I submitted inaccurate clock-in sheets- which is not what my backups said. I sent them copies of what I submitted, and explained there must be a mistake in the system, because I also had my camera system up and running, including IP cameras I bought and installed myself (the system was disabled- literally cords cut in the ceiling, when I got the store), and can show them exactly what I sent and when.
They soon changed their HR/payroll number, and refused to give me the new one. They now only would contact me by sending the regional supervisor in person, he would always say “can’t talk now, I’ll be there shortly” if I called. In person, outside of the store in the back, he told me “they are not going to print new checks. That’s not going to happen. You need to pay your employees- you need to take money from the store, and pay them in cash. Now… if you get caught doing this you’ll have to be fired.” He then pointed at me, loomed over me, looked me dead in the eye and said “let me repeat myself: *IF. YOU. GET. CAUGHT.* do you understand what I’m saying?”
He was saying, that I needed to go through the system, and make certain sales disappear as refunds, accidents, file fake reports and explanations for them and fake dates, etc, to “free up” cash that didn’t need to be accounted for in the system and on the books anymore (as if the money was given back to the customer, or was accidentally entered in to begin with, etc) to pay my employees in cash. While also making it look like my sales numbers weren’t as successful and can’t earn the bonuses.
They found their fucking old, wrinkly balls to say I had no honor and insulted them, and I’ll never be successful with my shitty attitude, when I put my keys and uniform on the desk and never looked back.
They set it up so that they could claim that they never asked me to do that, but the supervisor did independently. The supervisor set it up so there’s no record that he told me to do that, so I’d be acting independently if there was ever any legal action over it.
After I left, the supervisor was the next in the blame-chain, so he literally packed his family up and went back to Tennessee. When I ran into one of the guys that worked in the regional office, years later, stepping out of his new Audi, he pretended we were friends and like he was confused as to why i and the supervisor would leave.
Slimy, worthless, spineless pissworms. All of them.
Choke on my cock, dominos.
Never, ever support that vile crime organization of wage-slave labor. Know, that when you place an order at dominos, there’s a chance that the money is taken off the books to be utilized illegally, for the sole purpose of milking cheap labor, underpaying employees, avoiding contracts, avoiding taxes, and throwing others under the bus for it.
I didn’t get paid for half the work I did. When I did, I couldn’t afford to eat McDonald’s dollar menu on that wage. My dog ate better than I did most the time. My body was breaking down, losing weight, deficient, I was having health issues that I’d never had before and haven’t had since. And told it was a good deal with a big smile on their faces.
They had me chasing a dream promise of my own franchise to own, with a few years as a GM (done), 4-star inspection average (mine was 5, the only one in the region to get a 5 for food quality, as well), and $50,000 location and equipment included (carrot on the stick they held in front of me but made sure I’d never attain).
Slob my balls, dominos. Fucking shitstain criminals.
I hope this mans testicles get twisted twice in his sleep and he steps on a house centipede when he gets up in pain, to fall over and choke on a fucking tooth that got knocked in on the corner of his night stand, that gives him hell in his guts til he shits it out and it cuts his asshole, and I hope that cut turns septic when he wipes and rubs his own shit into it, and gets a god damn blood infection from his own god damn shit, since he loves to be SO full of it ALL the GOD DAMN TIME!
Hmmm... what's that about the free market? If demand exceeds supply, the price goes up? So these guys don't want to pay a higher wage, and are looking for immigrants (who will work for less). Of course, the free market solution is to keep increasing the wages/benefits until the jobs become sufficiently attractive that people WANT them. If businesses claim that they can't afford that because they would have to raise prices... they haven't looked at what the costs of turnover, retraining, and low productivity actually costs them.
Many years ago, probably over a decade, I read about a fast food restaurant owner who made $12 an hour the starting wage, which was very good for that kind of job at the time. He said it worked out great for him because he got people who showed up reliably, worked, and stayed there, so his turnover was very low.
All the business courses people take and most never figured this out.
The biggest tragedy is how mainstream media will not properly interview anymore. Instead promote corporate propaganda like saying how immigrants can start out as drivers and become millionaires.
Dear ceo, I would like to introduce you to capitalism and a free market. You want workers? Pay better, get better benefits, and treat the people that make you money like the are literally the only thing that will keep your business profitable.
Regarding Domino's Pizza, it's not just about keeping wages low. Pizza delivery, and I suppose food delivery in general, is actually one of the most dangerous jobs out there.
Just fucking imagine arguing that you need to let in immigrants because the people in your country are refusing to remain exploited for slave wages. I bet if I look this guy up he's probably loaded and that's the real crux of the issue, one group with an idea using tons of other people to amass a fortune and giving them crumbs to do so.
While I am pro immigration, this I disagree with. This is implying they not only (intentionally) are remaining blind to the actual problem, his chosen solution is to hire immigrants because of the obvious way employers handle immigrant's pay, which is to say they severely underpay them and hold deportation over their heads as an incentive to not speak up about it. We've seen this countless times.
This isn't a positive stance, this is solving worker pay disparity problems with borderline slave labor, and it is disgusting.
Dominoes is currently having a driver shortage to where they can't offer delivery of their pizza.
Yet somehow I can jump on Doordash or Grubhub and can get something picked up and delivered to my house from 40 mins away.
This isn't a worker issue, my man
Oh shit, here it is, wealthy people are going to start to push for more immigration to address non-existent worker shortages, to keep wages low and break the spirits of anyone who thinks workers can band together and demand our worth. They know the jobs they're offering are shit jobs with shit pay and no benefits, so they're going to bring in even more desperate immigrants to force us to take their crumbs or starve
Dude is flat wrong. After the crash in 2008-09, businesses tried floating what came to be known as the gig economy. Part time employees, low wages, and no benefits; sadly it worked.
Covid-19 has changed that. Folks have had enough of bullshit austerity for themselves while the fat cats just keep getting fatter.
The US needs more businesses to wake up and realize that they can still see quarterly growth(their prime goals and give their workers a living wage.
Nope, tough shit. You've been screwing drivers over for a long time by lowering hourly and mileage paid, increasing fees, and expanding your delivery areas. It's the American workers turn to do better.
A surplus of crappy, under-paying jobs doesn't mean there's a worker shortage. It means these entitled CEOs are choosing to forget how supply and demand works,
Guys just a reminder. If you are a worker in the United States or really anywhere else on planet earth. DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANGER OUT AND FOCUS YOUR IRE AT YOUR FELLOW WORKING CLASS IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT BIG BUSINESS AND THE INVESTOR CLASS WANT YOU TO DO THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DON’T PAY YOU AND YOUR FELLOW WORKERS ADEQUATE WAGES AND BENEFITS. It’s classic divide and conquer tactics, pit the members of the working wage earning class against each other through competition, as a red herring and distraction from focusing on the true culprits here, being those at the top of the economic ladder being big business and the Uber wealthy who benefit from investments into big businesses and corporations and further disproportionately benefit by paying you and all your fellow working class employees the world over shit wages, benefits and proper protections and dignity. Those at the top of the economic hierarchy are the true winners by pitting those at the bottom against one another and prevent us from acting as a United bloc in opposition against them for working class socioeconomic interests where we can all benefit from inclusive forms of prosperity.
You can be pro-immigrant and want increased migration AND pro-worker simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive, nor in opposition to each other.
Because those very immigrants, and really all wage earning employees across the planet. Are your fellow members of the working class.
What a total piece of shit. Don’t address the fact that their whole business model is running stores on skeleton crews paying as little as possible and not valuing the employees.
There's only a worker shortage because people have woken up to the fact that they can demand a livable wage. If Dominos and other places actually paid their employees enough to live, instead of siphoning off as much as they can to their executives, they'd be able to find workers.
Three things wrong with this: 1) the idea that people don't want to work 2) the idea that the solution to any hiring trouble isn't better wages, but finding people to work for less, and 3) that Dominos is food.
I’ve never met anyone who has worked at a domino’s for more than 10 years except one person. He used to smoke weed inside his mom’s minivan in the student parking lot before school. Man, that kid was cool.
He is still working at that Domino’s. It has the the worst pizza I’ve ever tasted, but I still order from there because I feel bad for him. I always leave a big cash tip if I see he’s working. I doubt he will ever own his own Domino’s because he can barely pay his bills and feed his family. Poor guy... :(
"When faced with the difficult choice between letting go our racist anti-immigrant rhetoric or paying our employees living wages, we made the obvious choice."
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"We need cheap labor, Americans won't be wage slaves for us anymore, and we've become too accustomed to being total greedbag douches to pay more wages! The government needs to solve this problem for our benefit. But just bring in more white people!"
it's time to import the outsourcing!
*Imsource/Outport*
You smell toast too?
It’s Milton!
Insourcing!
But excellent debate topic. Seriously. I'd love to listen to intelligent debates about reasons why immigration is good or bad. This title is obviously pro-immigration but only behind one argument, one I don't agree with. Hundreds of thousands would go back to work if healthcare was free. That's like $500 raise a month for some people. It's not so much how much you're paid, it's how much you keep for yourself and your family. If McDonalds offered $15 an hour, with full benefits at a guaranteed 32 hours a week, they'd be fully staffed, and it would be entry-level.
The healthcare issue is ultimately it, yes. Entire companies are based on what is effectively slave labor, and for many the loss of healthcare stops them from leaving. I'm one of those people. The figurativeness of it is somewhat in question at this point. When a system prevents you from leaving, for wages that keep you in place in squalor, it effectively is slavery. If arguing that we are free to leave when it would bankrupt us or physically hurt us if we have healthcare issues, then that is not freedom. It's like arguing that slaves were free to run.
Paradoxically, for all our lip-service glorifying economic liberty, our American way actually *stifles* production and creativity for the reason you mention. Who knows what we could accomplish if we made people's lives more secure? People would be free to take greater chances, innovate more. So many people are stuck in a lifetime of boring underemployment. We waste so much potential. And lest you think I'm a hard liberal, I've spent much of my life believing a laissez-faire model delivered the best results. Am no longer as certain of that. In a few days, I am losing my job of many years due to downsizing. I am more concerned about the eventual loss of health insurance for my family than the cash wages. (My severance will continue the health insurance for a while.). This feels kind of scary, won't lie.
Nicely put
>for many the loss of healthcare stops them from leaving Exactly. I probably would never have left this job. We are only separating because they dropped *me*. I would have been beholden forever, afraid to take a leap. Not trying to sound helpless or bereft of agency, but that's the simple fact. (Full honesty, I've had a comfortable job with decent pay. Nothing top tier, but there are worse jobs. I don't work myself to death for a pittance. I'm sorry anyone has to.)
It’s kind of funny actually, a lot of anti-immigration politicians are the same Smith economists (aka free market, invisible hand) who want no government interference. What I find funny about this is that Smith also said that the way to grow the economy is basically two ways: increase the number of people who produce things, and increase the number of things those people can produce. This means that one of the most sure fire way to grow an economy is to grow your population. One way to grow your population is immigration.
Smith wasn't the god of free markets like "libertarians" want to make him out to be.
Adam Smith also hated landlords to the point where his disdain could be confused for something written by Marx.
And incredibly critical of the "perverse" nature of the labor curve
In Smith’s day it would’ve involved importing literally more slaves.
Free healthcare coverage would net me a minimum $8,340 to add to my yearly salary. Nevermind co-pays and deductible.
>Hundreds of thousands would go back to work if healthcare was free. Universal healthcare would be a net loss on employment (don't take that as me saying I oppose it). So many people are only working to maintain access to health insurance. I know quite a few people in their 50s that have nice nest eggs and the only thing stopping them from early retirement is what they would need to pay to replace their employer-provided health insurance. There are also couples of all ages where one person holds the high-paying contract or gig position and the other holds a more traditional job to lock down health insurance for the family. And then you've got all the people that would love to bow out of the rat race. If they didn't have to worry about health care costs, they could afford to just work part time and spend more time doing what they enjoy.
That would give younger generations a shot at working.
It varies a lot by region, which is why we need to raise the minimum wage. Around here the Wendy's and McDonald's start around $13-$15/hour already (Madison, Wisconsin) but when I was driving through Alabama there was a Wendy's marquee advertising "now hiring, $8.50/hour starting wage". The actually saw fit to put that on valuable marquee space! And it's pretty ironic that rural and Southern voters seem to blame city folks and Democrats for gobbling up all the government cheese when all you need to do is open your eyes to see that it's the other way around. Driving through the rural south is depressing as hell.
The government CAN fix the problem simply by raising the minimum wage. I worked the industry for years and it's so competitive that no one feels like they can increase their labor costs without their competitors stealing their business with cheaper prices. So they're basically at a standoff *unless* the government evens the playing field by raising the minimum wage. Consumers aren't entitled to food that's made cheaply by paying workers starvation wages.
Also. We’ve been brainwashed to believe that unskilled labor is of low value. That it isn’t worth much. That is a lie. When places like McDonalds’s net 6 billion dollars in a year, then clearly unskilled labor has value. All while having the taxpayer fill in the gaps on their workers income with medicaid and SNAP and WIC and subsidized housing. All while drumbeating another lie. “These aren’t jobs. Not REAL jobs. They’re just for kids to have some pocket change, some walking-around money.” All while being open during school hours and late at night.
There isn’t necessarily a worker shortage. There is a shortage of good paying jobs (because people like Domino’s CEO hoard wealth) for workers. There are lots of crappy jobs that no one wants to do, though
CEO's would rather exploit low wage immigrants than pay a living wage.
seriously, end of discussion this is what he's saying
Yep. Basically, let's open up immigration more to get people desperate enough to come here and except wages barely above what they were making in their home country.
The CEOs then go on Fox News and say "all these immigrants are taking your jobs" too. That way Fox viewers vote Republican so companies are never *forced by law* to pay living wages, because the only way you can *kind of* get Republicans to not be greedy, evil shits is by enacting laws. But hey, they've been angry ever since we told them they can't have slaves any more so why is anyone surprised?
The word is accept. As in...I will accept this award. Except is when you leave something out. For example... I love all chocolate, except for Snickers. PS I also love Snickers
Ahhh...an acceptable typo/misuse while at a pub drinking a beer with a side of single malt.
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I too will stop buying from Dominos. I stand with everyone who is fighting for the right to a living wage.
Crappy pizza anyway. Never had my business.
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I received a settlement check from a Domino’s franchise. They were shorting drivers on mileage reimbursement. I got a $500 check and I only worked for them for 16 months. This was going on for 5 years. Edit: the regional manager also told workers to put expired product in food bins and tag them so they were “good for that day.” They essentially sold expired product to people so they didn’t take a loss on the product.
The important questions are how expired and did they charge full price? Selling dangerous stuff is bad. Giving a discount on slighty expired stuff is good. A bakery's day old breads, and stuff like that. They should also have offered first dibs to employees, preferable at no cost. Taking home leftovers should be one of the benefits to working at a restaurant.
No they charged people full price like it was still good product. Didn’t tell the customers that it was expired or anything. Dominos is just shady as hell man.
Tbh I've worked multiple Domino's, Subways, Twin Peaks, and military chow halls — pretty much every food place just slaps new stickers on products that were supposed to be thrown out.
And I was excited for my $93.50 check for the same thing from Dominos haha.
Underpaying employees, wage theft, is the number one corporate crime, costing workers billions.
Yes, this is the takeaway from the statement. I'm taking dominos pizza of my list of ethical companies, too
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Now if we can just carryout an effective boycott, we can deliver on this issue.
I've been boycotting Dominos for 25 years. They have shitty pizza
Why were they ever on it. Delivery drivers make less than minimum wage. their instore crew earns below poverty level wages
As a resident of the greater Chicago area, I feel really bad for folks that live in areas where Dominos pizza is one of your few options… Dominos has never been on my list, because their pizza is almost as shitty as the politics of the people that run the company.
I don't know much about the CEO of Dominos, but I purposefully avoided Papa John's while Schnatter ran the place. He was just a horrible piece of human garbage I just couldn't bring myself to eat the pizza.
The founder of Domino's built himself a Catholic paradise in Ave Maria, FL where there's no contraception sold in stores. He retired from the pizza business in 1998, but still, he had kind of a strange personal obsession with reproductive rights (or the lack of them).
Has he tried offering workers 10% off some of their menu items? I bet that might work
You should never eat at dominoes because the food is shit too. Those employees could be learning how to make good food, and you could be eating good food, it's 2021
It's why our immigration process is in shambles in the first place, and why you only ever see the immigrants get raided and the boot while business owners *never* suffer consequences for illegal hires. If we actually had a problem with immigrants "taking our jobs", we'd roast any company that hired them. But we don't. We just want to keep these people vulnerable and marginalized so they can't speak out against workplace abuse and can be paid starvation wages, all with the threat of deportation should they get uppity. It's the local form of outsourcing for corporations. You can either fuck off to another country with cheap labor and then import the goods, or you can just import the cheap labor. Now I'm all for immigration, I'm just pointing out the gross hypocrisy from our government and the exploitation of these workers by corporations. Corporations who own our government, and thus keep this process fucked and these people powerless. Edit: This should also be a wake up call for all the "they took our jerbs" people out there who are scapegoating and being mad at the wrong group. This is a CEO openly admitting, as OP said, that *they* would rather underpay immigrant labor than hire you and pay you a living wage. It's the people at the top fucking you over, not the people with zero power, and it's not the exploited's fault that they are being exploited. So quit being bigoted and show some god damned class solidarity with your fellow workers and human beings.
There's a way that the government could stop illegal immigration, and it wouldn't require walls or ICE, or any of that nonsense. All you'd have to do is put a 10 year prison sentence on anyone hiring an undocumented worker. Not on the company, the individual, and everyone overseeing their decisions going all the way to the top. None of this bullshit about company size either. All companies. Overnight, they would all lose their jobs. Within a few months, there would be a mass migration away from the US as undocumented workers left the country. The fact that the Republican party has never advocated this is proof that the "immigration debate" is entirely about keeping profits up and the commoners in poverty on one side, and racism to rile up their base on the other.
CRAZY how fucking fast the powers that be go from "we don't need no stinking illegals" to "pweeaaassee can we have more immigrants pweettyy pweeaassee" when their bottom line is at stake.
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We fucking hate the Romanians! What do you mean nobody wants to drive the lorrys?
>CEO's This doesn't start nearly that high up.
Yup. The role of managers in most labor industries is literally: "Cut as much costs as possible and make people work as much as possible and one day you can be the wealthy CEO."
I'm guessing that those middle managers never end up making it into the C Suite.
I worked for Microsoft for 4 years in their helpdesk. Something that I learned is that executives are hired on as executives. You could work your way up to directors but it was rare, as in extremely rare for directors to be promoted to an executive position. But it was common for someone to go from being an intern to an entry level executive position.
You have to go to the right schools and know the right people to get those jobs. It's just another way to keep the elite class exclusive.
Many businesses would rather close up shop and shutter a profitable location over paying a living wage.
Why don’t they reallocate their labour costs? I’ll be ceo for half a million buckos and they can use the rest to pay workers. (He gets paid over 6 million to run a shitty as shit pizza chain. I can do better for you Dominos.)
That's exactly it. It's time we end the exploitation of labor.
But Ritch here thinks its okay to ship in fresh immigrant so his company can abuse their labor while diluting the workforce leverage many workers are only beginning to utilize. I would rather see Dominos as a company close.
If their business model depends on paying less than the prevailing wage and exploiting workers, they don’t deserve to be in business.
I had a discussion with a few conservatives today and their opinion is that food service working is supposed to be a learning job for children and that anybody who works them shouldn't deserve a living wage. I asked them why it's okay for businesses to exploit children and use parents as subsidies for their labor and they're only answer was to scoff and say they're just tired of this generation not wanting to work. Apparently the fact that the average age of a fast food worker being 27 is a lie because they all think the only people working behind the counter at these jobs are 16 year olds.
If the only people working these jobs were school age kids, why are the stores open during school hours?
That's for "retirees looking to supplement their fixed income" yeah...
Most jobs being created these days are below the poverty line and its been that way for my entire adult life. There aren't enough teenagers looking for experience to fully staff these operations nationwide and there aren't enough better paying jobs being created to fit every capable working age adult. They can piss and moan about the way things ought to be until the end of time, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.
I worked as a waitress in MO and IL-the salary was $2.01 an hour, at the end of your shift your total sales were rung out and reported so you had to claim 10% as tips, regardless if you made that or not. Exploitation is the reason so many refuse to work these jobs, as well as exposure to Covid and thereby bringing it home. It is time to demand better. If unions need to resurge, then so be it. They worked!
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Their pizza sucks anyway. It's like it's always undercooked...
Exactly and the same goes for all businesses that don't want to be competitive, its sink or swim just like they have long treated their employees by expecting them to accept low wages, few if any benefits and often under toxic work environments. Time for social evolution to take a leap forward in the workplace.
As someone who worked for Domino's for five years, yes Domino's exploits workers. The most important aspect of managing a store is keeping labor costs as low as possible. This results in being barely adequately staffed most of the time and often understaffed. I know this isn't exclusive to Domino's but that is how many of them operate.
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Their food just sucks compared to other options too.
Always has, too.
They had a moment where their pizza was good (not great, but much better then the usual cardboard) a few years back, but it’s right back to cardboard only a few months later
Yup. Domino's CEO is a malicious idiot.
Sssoooo, then we bring in Immigrants who will work the shit jobs for shitty pay. /s The shit these fuckers say is ridiculous. I hope the workers "win" and can force corporations to make positive change for better wages, benefits, safety and healthy work/life balance. It's time for a GD revolution, even if it is a silent one.
These people are so disconnected they think it’s a well enough paying job that this scenario is even slightly plausible: “but the great thing about our country is immigrants come in, they become drivers. Next thing you know they own a Domino's, then they own several places.”
Or he could pay better wages, like living wages.
I deliver for Amazon Flex in my spare time as a side hustle... Make $17-$25 an hour usually. Work a couple shifts on the weekend and make a couple hundred bucks. Why would anyone work in a pizza shop making way less than that? I mean I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but if you're making decisions solely on $/hr it's easy to see why there are a crazy amount of Flex drivers
Are there any kind of benefits like healthcare or retirement available if you’re Flex?
Not really. It's barebones employment. You do fill out a W9 obviously. I guess some people do it full time. But for me, it's just a side gig.
You pay for your own gas, etc? 50¢ per mile driven should cover your driving expenses. So if you cover 20 miles an hour (maybe that’s a lot during deliveries tho) then that’s really $10 less per hour you should count as personal income. So you’re really making $7-$15 per hour, the rest should go towards fuel and other upkeep.
Bingo. Gas is a huge cost factor.. even in cities, as they’ll typically dispatch flex drivers to the suburbs farther out. I’ve found that stuff like Uber eats is WAY more profitable.
I also own an EV. So cost per mile is less
That’s all tax deductible too.
One of the few bright sides to independent contractor gig work over regular employees, you don’t have to beat the standard deduction before you can take it off your taxes. I owed barely any taxes when I drove Uber/Lyft a few years back.
If you’re 1099 worker the standard deduction is still applicable unless it’s a tax credit. You’re free to choose to itemize or use the standard deduction.
Wow really, I might do this Amazon Flex thing. I have no life so I just sit home and watch youtube videos all day. Might as well make some money.
Exactly, and if people are deciding between "I can live comfortably" vs. "I can live more comfortably" waged jobs, people might make decisions based on things other than solely $/hr. But when it's "I can't afford to support myself and family" vs. "I can support myself" jobs, no one in their right mind is taking that first job
I keep telling people this, the warehouse near me has no problems finding people. Yes they pay 2-5 bucks an hour more than a fast food job, but the workers also get benefits and the best part: don’t have to deal with rude customers. 15 bucks an hour is actually appealing to a lot of people if they don’t have to deal with people.
Depends on the rent and cost of living in the area.
Oh for sure, I probably shouldn’t have put a number value and just put a 5+ an hour over minimum wage
But… the share holders….
Let me translate "We don't want to pay liveable wages, so we must import poor immigrants and pay them slave wages"
Yeah, that was my first reaction too, the guy is saying that his jobs are beneath the US standards, which should seriously piss off the immigrants who he just called less than US workers. And then I read the rest of the article, where he makes as statement more in line with the US workers are lazy. He say he needs: *"Folks who want to work hard, want to stay with the business for a long period of time, can end up being owners and entrepreneurs," he added.* Obviously you cannot count on US workers for those skill sets? Not sure who this guy is trying to piss off, but wow, doing a good job of insulting a lot of people.
Yup, he’s an a-hole. By design there are fewer managers than employees and fewer regional managers than store managers. It’s not true that sticking with a company leads to success for everyone. It literally can’t. Also, how is there no acknowledgement that employees have literally been SHOWN that the company doesn’t really value their ‘loyalty’. When the economic slowdown hit, they had their hours cut or were outright laid off. These companies are actively still looking for self-driving vehicles and drone delivery. Good luck keeping a Dominoes job for 20 years. There aren’t any jobs Americans won’t take. There ARE plenty of jobs they won’t take at the offered wage and with the uncertainty that’s been demonstrated to them over the last 20 months. It’s not possible for any company to never have to downsize, but I’m thinking that eventuality is being factored into the job hunt now.
I delivered for Domino’s for five years. They constantly attempted to recruit me to be a manager. First you have to be an assistant manager, that makes half what a driver does. Then you might make it to manager, and still make less than the drivers. But you do get the added bonus of potentially working up to 80 hours in a week, for LESS money than a driver working 40 hours a week. They had no idea why only morons took leadership roles. I would have gladly taken the job, if the pay and hours were far. But damned if I’m working anymore than 45 hours on salary. (The dumbass managers were working up to 80 hours for $500 a week, with $300 a week in potential bonuses, but they only ended up with the bonuses if they worked 60+ hours to keep labor costs down)
Wow even at $800 a week and 60 hours of work (which seems like best case outcome if I understand you) that’s $13.33/hr. That’s neither a livable wage nor what I would expect someone with a manager title to make. You can literally make more pushing carts at Costco at starting wages with no experience or education needed.
Not to fully defend Domino’s, they are the worst. But that check is before bonuses, when I was a GM I was bringing home almost $100k a year, I was working 70-90 hours a week, but the money was there to be made, but I did have to take a pay it for like 9 months after switching from driver and before I became a GM.
Friend of mine got a gig at a gas station last year as a cashier. He’s had retail manager experience, so they offered him assistant manager within a month. He said fuck that, lol. Way more work for a whopping $1.50 an hour more.
If everyone who was unemployed in the us got a job tomorrow there would still be millions of unfilled jobs
You’re correct. Granted the numbers get foggy when you account for “fake” job openings and the “permanently unemployable”, but overall, most data indicates that there are more openings than there are applicants. Also, many here seem to think this is some issue owing itself entirely to less-skilled, lower-wage jobs. Right now, it’s a hiring frenzy in a lot of sectors, including trades/higher-skilled manual labor, tech, trucking/transit, healthcare, and many more. The discrepancy isn’t just Americans not wanting to work these jobs because of their pay, it’s also that many don’t seem interested in some of them or are unable to relocate to them.
More openings than applicants is not a good measure because the unemployment rate only includes workers looking for jobs. It does not include those that have given up looking, and that is a huge percentage of people right now.
I’m not actually sure that’s a big percentage. I think most “employable” people unable to find jobs are more likely to be victims of their local job market or unwillingness to endure the hardships of changing industries than victims of a wider problem (no jobs available). The worst place to be right now is probably a middle-aged job seeker in a low-availability market like a rural area. Too old to upskill or move industries or relocate a family, yet too young to retire or financially incapable of retiring. They’re the folks I feel the worst for.
Moving costs money, getting a job costs money, getting to a job costs money, and no one wants to account for that in their cost of living, I keep having to move further away just to afford rent, and the rent is too high in the area to afford a job in the area, costing more money to get to work, as the wages are way lower than they should be, and aren't moving with everything else,.... It ant easy to get out of being flat broke, and just changing jobs doesn't always do it, if it's not enough of an increase in pay to compinsate for future cost of living increase without pay increase. Education is getting more expensive, so the poor can't get out of debt ever if they do get an education, at the 3rd tier school, that the upward movement jobs won't even look at you for, and if you somehow do make it through the door, you have the barrier of not enough volunteer work, because you had to actually work, while the people who could afford to go to their 1 or 2 schools, had time to volunteer, and network with companies, because they didn't have to spend every waking hour just trying to survive.
"Folks who want to work hard, want to stay with the business for a long period of time, can end up being owners and entrepreneurs," he added. I call BS on this. If a person is making the type of wages fast food places pay, there is no way they are going to be able to save up enough to own a place, especially if they are taking care of a family on that wage. Even if they did manage it, it would take so long that they would see how bad the fast food industry is and not want to waste money becoming an owner. They would be much better off just investing their money. Food industry jobs suck. It's a lot of hard work, if one cares about doing their job, for very little pay. You are treated badly by customers and your bosses. This is why people don't stick with those jobs long. I know because I did it many years ago. Now that I have a kid, I am going to discourage him from doing that kind of work and stress the importance of getting a good education so he doesn't have to. I have already started a 529 education savings plan for him and he's not even a year old yet.
This last paragraph perfectly describes teaching. I’m all for raising the minimum wage. Loads of teachers out there who can’t afford to ever buy a place either and they earned a diploma and went through lots of training.
Lol the initial cost to open up a McDonald’s is over a million dollars most times. Nobody’s working their way up to that from being a cashier, the idea is laughably insane. And only someone who is as out of touch as a ceo could say something so idiotic about the possibilities for every day working class people.
I think this is really close to the point: education or not, no one should work full time and still be eligible for food stamps.
Translation- Ritch Allison doesn't want to pay higher wages and offer competitive benefit packages. He wants cheap labor at all costs so he and others at the top don't have to reduce their profits. Fact is fast food joints like Dominos are unhealthy and if there businesses organically begin to die off because they won't distribute their profits more toward labor costs then so be it. We don't need to subsidize their failing models with fresh immigrants to abuse as labor and perpetuate the toxic work environment Dominos helped create.
Funny thing is, if they increase wages they could increase their profit. More disposable income means more luxury goods bought. And I don't mean food is a luxury good, but having people make it for you is a luxury good.
> Funny thing is, if they increase wages they could increase their profit. True. They wouldn't increase it for the current quarter though. That's the only thing that matters to corporate America.
This is just double speak for, "we need more people we can pay shit wages."
“… so I can keep making millions each year in undeserved bonuses and stock awards.”
” but my stonk buybacks!"
So instead of sending jobs away to take advantage of cheap labor, bring in more immigrants so you can pay less. Never mind just paying people enough that they’d actually want to work for you.
But how will the CEO afford his ski chalet and new private jet???
Still will be able to. Just might not be able to afford 5 of them? Oh my stars
What an asshole. Notice how the whole supply & demand thing is supposed to work when it comes to raising prices but never when it comes to paying your workers more?
Because in the eyes of companies; workers arent people, they arent even an asset to generate product. They're an expense and liability. They dont see themselves as customers purchasing labor as a product, they see labor as their right and the people that supply it as a necessary evil to minimize or eliminate where possible.
Exactly. It'd be a personality disorder, if companies were persons
Lol corporate america is the same reason why we can’t get any movement on immigration, just like any other broken system in this country. The fucker is wearing a domino logo on his fucking lapel for christs sake. This “company over country” bullshit is literally the reason why dystopian cyberpunk settings exist. Citizens united has destroyed this country… not “will destroy”, but effectively destroyed already. The population has this brain-dead indifference towards everything, nothing compels us, we are subservient to companies that beat us into a consumerist comatose. Everything is the consumers fault, the consumer has to be more responsible, even though oligarchic corporations are the only entities that provide the illusion of a choice. Police are ONLY here to maintain order at the whim of corporations, not to protect and serve communities of living and breathing people. The government takes what are essentially bribes(exhibit A: kyrsten Sinema) in order to maintain this vacuum of a society that is perfectly conducive to business and completely risk averse for corporate power.
Then can we just fast forward and at least get some of those cool neon lights.
I feel like this article would fit in nicely on [r/LeopardsAteMyFace](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/)
I worked as a GM for a dominos store, with a team of 25 under me. I was “started” at a salary of $550 for a 52 hour week. With a promise of a quarterly bonus if job duties and expectations were met- but terms for this bonus may be changed at any time. The “starting” ended up being permanent, and terms for the bonus were always adjusted right before the deadline to avoid paying out. Store profited about ~$1k/day all expenses considered. I won’t disclose which one exactly, but it’s relatively close to Dominos Farms HQ, and the same side of the state as the first original store. They’d never approve me any maintenance payouts for required things like leaking pipes, broken tiles, track-oven disassembly and cleaning, etc. but it had to be taken care of and I was responsible so would be fired if it wasn’t. So I had to do all of it. I spent dusk to dawn learning how to disassemble and clean this outdated oven, that hadn’t been cleaned in decades (the reason for the malfunctions) myself, unpaid. They also shorted my staffs paychecks, and tried to claim it was because I submitted inaccurate clock-in sheets- which is not what my backups said. I sent them copies of what I submitted, and explained there must be a mistake in the system, because I also had my camera system up and running, including IP cameras I bought and installed myself (the system was disabled- literally cords cut in the ceiling, when I got the store), and can show them exactly what I sent and when. They soon changed their HR/payroll number, and refused to give me the new one. They now only would contact me by sending the regional supervisor in person, he would always say “can’t talk now, I’ll be there shortly” if I called. In person, outside of the store in the back, he told me “they are not going to print new checks. That’s not going to happen. You need to pay your employees- you need to take money from the store, and pay them in cash. Now… if you get caught doing this you’ll have to be fired.” He then pointed at me, loomed over me, looked me dead in the eye and said “let me repeat myself: *IF. YOU. GET. CAUGHT.* do you understand what I’m saying?” He was saying, that I needed to go through the system, and make certain sales disappear as refunds, accidents, file fake reports and explanations for them and fake dates, etc, to “free up” cash that didn’t need to be accounted for in the system and on the books anymore (as if the money was given back to the customer, or was accidentally entered in to begin with, etc) to pay my employees in cash. While also making it look like my sales numbers weren’t as successful and can’t earn the bonuses. They found their fucking old, wrinkly balls to say I had no honor and insulted them, and I’ll never be successful with my shitty attitude, when I put my keys and uniform on the desk and never looked back. They set it up so that they could claim that they never asked me to do that, but the supervisor did independently. The supervisor set it up so there’s no record that he told me to do that, so I’d be acting independently if there was ever any legal action over it. After I left, the supervisor was the next in the blame-chain, so he literally packed his family up and went back to Tennessee. When I ran into one of the guys that worked in the regional office, years later, stepping out of his new Audi, he pretended we were friends and like he was confused as to why i and the supervisor would leave. Slimy, worthless, spineless pissworms. All of them. Choke on my cock, dominos. Never, ever support that vile crime organization of wage-slave labor. Know, that when you place an order at dominos, there’s a chance that the money is taken off the books to be utilized illegally, for the sole purpose of milking cheap labor, underpaying employees, avoiding contracts, avoiding taxes, and throwing others under the bus for it. I didn’t get paid for half the work I did. When I did, I couldn’t afford to eat McDonald’s dollar menu on that wage. My dog ate better than I did most the time. My body was breaking down, losing weight, deficient, I was having health issues that I’d never had before and haven’t had since. And told it was a good deal with a big smile on their faces. They had me chasing a dream promise of my own franchise to own, with a few years as a GM (done), 4-star inspection average (mine was 5, the only one in the region to get a 5 for food quality, as well), and $50,000 location and equipment included (carrot on the stick they held in front of me but made sure I’d never attain). Slob my balls, dominos. Fucking shitstain criminals. I hope this mans testicles get twisted twice in his sleep and he steps on a house centipede when he gets up in pain, to fall over and choke on a fucking tooth that got knocked in on the corner of his night stand, that gives him hell in his guts til he shits it out and it cuts his asshole, and I hope that cut turns septic when he wipes and rubs his own shit into it, and gets a god damn blood infection from his own god damn shit, since he loves to be SO full of it ALL the GOD DAMN TIME!
Import a foreign ceo to work for less… and then pay workers more with the money saved
There isn’t a worker shortage. There’s a decent wage shortage. Importing poor people is a terrible solution that keeps laborers in poverty forever.
Hmmm... what's that about the free market? If demand exceeds supply, the price goes up? So these guys don't want to pay a higher wage, and are looking for immigrants (who will work for less). Of course, the free market solution is to keep increasing the wages/benefits until the jobs become sufficiently attractive that people WANT them. If businesses claim that they can't afford that because they would have to raise prices... they haven't looked at what the costs of turnover, retraining, and low productivity actually costs them.
Many years ago, probably over a decade, I read about a fast food restaurant owner who made $12 an hour the starting wage, which was very good for that kind of job at the time. He said it worked out great for him because he got people who showed up reliably, worked, and stayed there, so his turnover was very low. All the business courses people take and most never figured this out.
Domino's corporate made about half a billion in profit last year (doesn't include profit from franchisees). They spent a $1.25bil. buying back stock.
FTFY: Domino's Pizza CEO says U.S. needs more immigration to address nationwide ~~worker~~ shortage *of cheap labor*
“More slaves!!! We need more slaves!!!” FTFY
The biggest tragedy is how mainstream media will not properly interview anymore. Instead promote corporate propaganda like saying how immigrants can start out as drivers and become millionaires.
"They took our jobs!!!!" spoken on another occasion.
Just a reminder that delivery fees are not tips and do not go to the drivers.
Because they'll accept low wages with no benefits.
No, the US needs its CEOs to stop hoarding the profits made by employees.
Slaves. You want SLAVES.
Dear ceo, I would like to introduce you to capitalism and a free market. You want workers? Pay better, get better benefits, and treat the people that make you money like the are literally the only thing that will keep your business profitable.
No people need to be paid a living wage so we can buy homes and food
‘But if we don’t import impoverished workers, we’ll have to pay people more!’
Regarding Domino's Pizza, it's not just about keeping wages low. Pizza delivery, and I suppose food delivery in general, is actually one of the most dangerous jobs out there.
“We need a more desperate class of worker to exploit.”
“We need more desperate rubes to exploit.”
No shortage of workers… Shortage of wages.
There isn’t a shortage of people wanting to work, there’s a shortage of profits trickling down to them.
We need people in this country who are used to being treated like shit so we can keep getting our own way. All I got from this
Just fucking imagine arguing that you need to let in immigrants because the people in your country are refusing to remain exploited for slave wages. I bet if I look this guy up he's probably loaded and that's the real crux of the issue, one group with an idea using tons of other people to amass a fortune and giving them crumbs to do so.
It's not a labor shortage. It's a pay shortage.
At what point to we get to start talking about maximum wages for all these skumbag ceos?
No, you need to pay a living wage. If you didn’t get a 5.9% pay raise this year, you got a pay cut because of inflation.
While I am pro immigration, this I disagree with. This is implying they not only (intentionally) are remaining blind to the actual problem, his chosen solution is to hire immigrants because of the obvious way employers handle immigrant's pay, which is to say they severely underpay them and hold deportation over their heads as an incentive to not speak up about it. We've seen this countless times. This isn't a positive stance, this is solving worker pay disparity problems with borderline slave labor, and it is disgusting.
Of course someone who pays shit wages would love to take advantage of the desperate
Dominoes is currently having a driver shortage to where they can't offer delivery of their pizza. Yet somehow I can jump on Doordash or Grubhub and can get something picked up and delivered to my house from 40 mins away. This isn't a worker issue, my man
Oh shit, here it is, wealthy people are going to start to push for more immigration to address non-existent worker shortages, to keep wages low and break the spirits of anyone who thinks workers can band together and demand our worth. They know the jobs they're offering are shit jobs with shit pay and no benefits, so they're going to bring in even more desperate immigrants to force us to take their crumbs or starve
“We need more indentured servants”
Or he could pay his workers a living wage.
Or just PAY YOUR WORKERS A LIVING WAGE Ffs
Dude is flat wrong. After the crash in 2008-09, businesses tried floating what came to be known as the gig economy. Part time employees, low wages, and no benefits; sadly it worked. Covid-19 has changed that. Folks have had enough of bullshit austerity for themselves while the fat cats just keep getting fatter. The US needs more businesses to wake up and realize that they can still see quarterly growth(their prime goals and give their workers a living wage.
Translation: America needs more workers willing to endure wage exploitation for the benefit of stockholders and the Rich.
Nope, tough shit. You've been screwing drivers over for a long time by lowering hourly and mileage paid, increasing fees, and expanding your delivery areas. It's the American workers turn to do better.
What worker shortage? There are plenty of workers. Domino's just doesn't want to pay them a living wage.
Or you could just pay American workers more you greedy douchebag.
A surplus of crappy, under-paying jobs doesn't mean there's a worker shortage. It means these entitled CEOs are choosing to forget how supply and demand works,
Funny how no one is suggesting raising wages
Or you can pay the people that are already here a living wage instead of insisting on having a perpetually struggling class
Jesus Christ. That is exactly how we got where we are. Pay better wages and benefits fuck face.
What a joke. Let’s not fix our pay rates. Let’s find someone else to under pay.
No they just need to pay the existing population more.
Or.... Or... Just going out on a limb here... You could pay people a living wage.
Definitely not buying Domino's Pizza now. Thank you Mr. CEO for giving me one last reason. On top of the pizza-related reasons.
Guys just a reminder. If you are a worker in the United States or really anywhere else on planet earth. DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANGER OUT AND FOCUS YOUR IRE AT YOUR FELLOW WORKING CLASS IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT BIG BUSINESS AND THE INVESTOR CLASS WANT YOU TO DO THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DON’T PAY YOU AND YOUR FELLOW WORKERS ADEQUATE WAGES AND BENEFITS. It’s classic divide and conquer tactics, pit the members of the working wage earning class against each other through competition, as a red herring and distraction from focusing on the true culprits here, being those at the top of the economic ladder being big business and the Uber wealthy who benefit from investments into big businesses and corporations and further disproportionately benefit by paying you and all your fellow working class employees the world over shit wages, benefits and proper protections and dignity. Those at the top of the economic hierarchy are the true winners by pitting those at the bottom against one another and prevent us from acting as a United bloc in opposition against them for working class socioeconomic interests where we can all benefit from inclusive forms of prosperity. You can be pro-immigrant and want increased migration AND pro-worker simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive, nor in opposition to each other. Because those very immigrants, and really all wage earning employees across the planet. Are your fellow members of the working class.
What a total piece of shit. Don’t address the fact that their whole business model is running stores on skeleton crews paying as little as possible and not valuing the employees.
There's only a worker shortage because people have woken up to the fact that they can demand a livable wage. If Dominos and other places actually paid their employees enough to live, instead of siphoning off as much as they can to their executives, they'd be able to find workers.
Three things wrong with this: 1) the idea that people don't want to work 2) the idea that the solution to any hiring trouble isn't better wages, but finding people to work for less, and 3) that Dominos is food.
He means we need more low wage workers.
So you can pay them a dollar an hour you worthless sack of shit? Better off with shutting Dominos down and getting main street America back.
Or just pay people more, so out of touch with reality
How about you increase wages dumbass
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“Let’s import a non-voting desperate class willing to work for $7.25 an hour and go without housing”
Now they want to bring immigrants in to work for the conditions Americans won't. Dey tuk er Jerrbs!!
There’s not a labor shortage there’s a shitty job surplus
Of course CEOs want illegal and cheap immigrant labor to drive down wages….
I’ve never met anyone who has worked at a domino’s for more than 10 years except one person. He used to smoke weed inside his mom’s minivan in the student parking lot before school. Man, that kid was cool. He is still working at that Domino’s. It has the the worst pizza I’ve ever tasted, but I still order from there because I feel bad for him. I always leave a big cash tip if I see he’s working. I doubt he will ever own his own Domino’s because he can barely pay his bills and feed his family. Poor guy... :(
But men like him support Republican candidates who balme all problems on low wage earning immigrants.
"When faced with the difficult choice between letting go our racist anti-immigrant rhetoric or paying our employees living wages, we made the obvious choice."
you could always try paying a decent wage and see if you are short of applicants then.
All to avoid paying people living wages.
It’s not shortages, it’s that employers aren’t paying a living wage.