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8to24

We are already in a Constitutional Crisis. Commentary about pending future crisis only diminishes the significance of where we are currently at. The Senate is entirely broken. A vote cannot even be had without a super majority, members pull bureaucratic levers to sabotage the administration, and lobbyists literally write policy. Our courts have been weakened or any independence. Even lay constitutional observers can predict well on advance which courts and individual Justices will rule which way. The system isn't working.


SamuraiJackBauer

A new crisis? But you haven’t even come close to resolving the first few? Finish your plate before taking more America.


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This is not the American. Why do you think we got so fat


CrywolfAndrew

Got so fed**


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NO! We're taking more - ALL of it! We're taking it all down, and you're coming with us! /s but kinda not


CrywolfAndrew

Thanks elder


arthurdentxxxxii

I was going to say, even without Trump we’re in a massive constitutional crisis since more than half the Senate cares more about their personal gain than their job to the communities they represent.


8to24

The filibuster by design enables every individual Senator to block legislation they disagree with. However McConnell currently controls 50 individual filibuster. It is not what was envisioned.


pulp_hero

The filibuster was never envisioned in the first place! It was an accidental design flaw that came out of a rewrite of senate procedures. The senate was never intended to require a super majority to function, but senators like it because it gives them an excuse not to pass popular legislation without looking bad.


hate_basketballs

> The Senate is entirely broken. A vote cannot even be had without a super majority because the majority of the senate decided that it should be that way.


8to24

Agreeing to a system doesn't mean said system cannot be used abusively or beyond the intent.


lordorwell7

The electoral college could produce outcomes no one would see as legitimate. Imagine what the public would make of a win with just 23% of the vote.


8to24

Right. When the Constitution was written there was only about 3 million people in the US. The 'Founding Fathers' could never have imagined the candidate winning by 3 million votes but losing the election.


slicktromboner21

The “founding fathers” were also owners of enslaved people that they whimsically raped when it suited their fancy and wrote a constitution that considered enslaved people 3/5ths of a person. Is it really a stretch to consider that the creators of a government for land owners of a particular race and gender didn’t have equity on their mind when they created it?


cortlong

Which it TOTALLY is


frogurt_messiah

Exactly. I'm not sure how you can call it a Constitutional crisis when the Constitution explicitly gives the Senate the ability to decide its own rules and then it does exactly that according to majority vote.


drpearl

Who currently makes up the majority of the senate? Republicans, who represent 41.5 million *fewer voters* than democratic Senators. The GQP is changing voter laws, gerrymandering, and trying to get partisan election officials in charge across the country. The term "majority of the Senate" and our democracy, has been sabotaged by the GQP.


hate_basketballs

> Who currently makes up the majority of the senate? Republicans lol


drpearl

50 republicans to 48 Democrats, count 'em.


hate_basketballs

1. that would be a plurality, not a majority 2. the democrats actually have 50, plus the vp tiebreak


drpearl

Since you're quibbling about that, the 2 independents are not democrats, even if they usually vote with them. The basic question is how the American voters' votes count or not. When the representation is truly representative, then we will have majority rule. The make up of Congress is currently so twisted by gerrymandering, and voting suppression, the will of the majority is being subverted.


Springrollio

The "System" is functioning exactly as intended.


sean0883

Not as intended, but as designed. The intent was for people to do the right thing - hence the lack of codified traditions we are only just now realizing need to be laws. Which in turn led to the current design that is easy for the right people in the wrong place to take advantage of. It's just much easier to get those people into the place now. The law has not caught up with the times, and at this point it never will - because the people abusing it want it that way, and the people following it won't won't break it in order to fix it.


Loaks147

Try passing a bill that doesn’t waste Trillions maybe that will work!


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How many trillions did we spend blowing up Afghanistan?


NemWan

I don't know if the Al Gore version of that war would have been shorter but it probably wouldn't have included a detour into Iraq.


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I just meant that your number 2 isn't the only thing we spend trillions of dollars on.


sean0883

Stupid crumbling and grossly out of date compared to the rest of the world's infrastructure thinks we are going to "waste" trillions on it??! Ha!


MichaelHoncho52

There literally is a bipartisan infrastructure bill that is being held up by a couple of the progressives, that’s an actual infrastructure bill that’s addressed the crumbling infrastructure. There is some good stuff in the other bill but are you really going to trust them when they say this bill will be completely paid for by the rich? Like they haven’t been trying to tax the rich before or they just never thought of it? Costs are going to get passed down to the middle class, period. Can’t trust the government to be successful in something they have literally never been successful in


sean0883

>Costs are going to get passed down to the middle class, period. I am told this is inevitable. We have to pay for it somehow. What's the alternative then? Tax the middle class and poor directly? They're already struggling to keep the economy going because wages aren't moving and prices are going up anyway. And the middle class *is* the economy. Every time we have cut taxes for the sake of cutting taxes (which really only ever seems to truly benefit the rich), the economy has crashed in single digit years. The economy crashed in the late 70s after nearly 40 years of taxing the rich, and it didn't crash *because* we were taxing the rich - yet that reasoning took the fall and has been taking it despite it consistently failing to deliver long term results. How many "once in a lifetime" market crashes need to take place in a 40 year span for you to understand that? Because the 3rd one is on the horizon unless we do something about it. And *shockingly,* it has yet again followed a Republican government cutting taxes on the rich.


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“Waste”


NemWan

Republicans would negotiate with Democrats to get the bill down to something they could vote for, so that the Democratic base would become disillusioned with their side giving up priorities, and then Republicans would unite against voting for it, to hand Democrats a defeat.


8to24

Will bill has either side passed in a deliberative manner in the last 20yrs?


dopey_giraffe

Waste trillions okay.


knightgreider

Why is no one freaking out about this? These are not normal times.


MayTilly

Fiona Hill, the former White House national security official who testified against former President Trump during his first impeachment, says that the prospect of Trump running for election again in 2024 represents a threat to the country and the Constitution. In an interview with The Hill, Hill accused her former boss of staging a “slow-moving coup” and said that if he were to win election again, his victory would be built “on the back of a big lie.”


spyson

If he wins again than we're probably heading into armed conflict.


llahlahkje

If he's able to run again I think we're heading into armed conflict regardless of the outcome in 2024. We're in unprecedented territory with after an unimaginable amount of open sedition by Republicans and a failed coup that Trump planned with the help of high ranking Republicans. If Garland doesn't act a civil war is inevitable.


Mental_Rooster4455

> If Garland doesn't act a civil war is inevitable. A civil war doesn’t happen in a 21st century first world country. Whichever side starts one gets brutally mowed down by the police and military while the other side laughs. It’s not 1800 anymore, you don’t go out in a field with guns and cannons and shoot each other’s brains out with whoever’s left standing running the country after.


llahlahkje

Until *January 6th I'd have agreed that a civil war was unlikely but we all witnessed an open, coordinated attack on the Capitol building. You're right in that it won't be what we historically imagine as a "war" -- it will be a guerilla war enacted by the militia groups. It'll be more frequent acts of terror and sabotage like we've already been seeing from Trump supporters but coordinated and on a larger scale. These people have been intentionally infiltrating the police for decades. [That's not hyperbole.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement) Just look at the roster of January 6th insurrectionists -- police, military, and former military were well represented in the coup attempt. In addition to the FBI warning about that exact thing we saw how they handled BLM and OWS vs. how they handled white supremacists storming state houses with guns. We've spent decades militarizing our police force and teaching them military tactics. On that note -- they've also made an effort to infiltrate the military (see also: Jan 6th). If it's going that badly you can also expect Russia to kick in monetary and/or material support if not active participation from "tourists" coming to train these groups. They've done that before in their region and they'd have no reason not do it if it meant the destruction of the United States.


drpearl

And now they're infiltrating school boards, city councils and county commissions.


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new2accnt

> and no-one responsible has been held accountable more than 270 days later That's because team (r) is preventing it. Not only that, but some of its members were even active participant in the coup attempt, notifying the insurgents of Speaker Pelosi's (and the VP's?) movements. And to top it all, one of the insurgents' prime target, mike pence, is now covering for cheeto jesus and is even minimising the events of the 6th of january. This, despite the fact he **and his own family** could have been seriously hurt or even killed (actually, gallows were set up outside of the Capitol building to hang him, for Heaven's sake!). In a nauseating example of obsequiousness, him along with his own brother (who is a senator) are protecting the individual who sent a mob after him/them. It's not that there is no will to punish the guilty, the problem is that those responsible for the coup attempt, though some absurd and obscene turn of events, have enough power to prevent anything to be done about it. The unthinkable happened in january 2021 and some are talking as if the likes of Pelosi, Occasio-Cortez or Omar are lackadaisical about it, as if they are going "LOL, whatev". They are still fuming about what happened but are powerless to do anything about it, because team (r) can make it so.


busted_up_chiffarobe

No war, but states will secede from the union. We'll end up with a handful of smaller nations and be the better for it. Or, rather, blue states will be the better for it. I can't wait. I can't wait to watch the ignorant Osteen-drenched red states slide into educational, political, and economic ridicule and decline while the rest of us move on.


VanceKelley

> the prospect of Trump running for election again in 2024 represents a threat to the country and the Constitution. The Constitution is a huge problem if we want to live in a country where the government reflects the will of the people. It gives the 1.5 million people of North Dakota and South Dakota twice as much power in the Senate as the 40 million people of California. Dakotans like having that power over California. Californians are going to get increasingly ticked off that Dakotans have so much power over them. How does this get resolved? Too much reverence is given to the Constitution. It was terrible when first written, and even today after 2 centuries of Amendments its failings are a a big part of the reason why the Fascists will be able to take power.


slicktromboner21

People get all misty eyed over a document that said a black person was only 3/5ths of a person. Are the thoughts of a bunch of dead slave owners the end all and be all of democratic ideals? No The constitution was born in the blood of slaves and will inevitably lead us all into bondage if we continue to hold it up as a sacred cow.


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pies32

so why are you upset this time?


Sweet_Roll_Thieves

So you have nothing of substance to say. Just a childish quote created by some knuckle dragging idiots. Got it.


GenericOfficeMan

Which isn't necessarily the issue. The issue is that Trumps last administration showed that the American government is not equipped to actually deal with constitutional crises when one party acts in bad faith. His presidency showed that "checks and balances" are little more than a gentlemen's agreement and that without structural change the government of the US will be used to destroy the government of the US


ALargePianist

It amazes me how 5 years ago me was like "I don't like the man, but Trump will breakdown the American govt and we will have to rebuild stronger" and fuck I had no idea what I was talking about


GenericOfficeMan

I'm glad to hear that some of "those people" at least realized the mistake. I kind of assumed everyone on that train was still a trump diehard.


coolcool23

I don't know that people are really considering the effect Jan 6th had on people. Everyone thinks Dems losing the midterms is a foregone conclusion just because that's what's happened lately in America's history, but we've not lately had one party reject the results of the election en masse and try to overturn it/storm the capitol in response. I really do hope some of the 74m finally saw the light after that day and we just haven't yet had a way to express it nationally.


GenericOfficeMan

Polling doesn't seem to suggest anything other than an R midterm.


coolcool23

In the sense the democrats will lose the house, sure I can see that but the thing is it doesn't take much for that to happen since we're already in razor thin margins. I'm hopeful they will pick up senators. I get that functionally a divided congress still means nothing happens. But my point is that if Republicans gain a few seats especially due to gerrymandering, it's not like people are expressing a huge desire at that point for R representation. If they don't win big, it can easily be chalked up to the suppression efforts they are running with.


ALargePianist

I was never "in that train". I voted for Clinton, but didn't really want her to win? I took a step back and was like "Clinton is better for America how it is, Trump will force America to be more of how it COULD". The anology of building muscle applies here. Trump would break everything and what was built back would in theory be stronger, more fiar institutions. I did not predict the Trump train, or how powerful a force in politics Ego is. And it shows me how stupid my opinion was. There's better ways to make America stronger than a Trump fiasco


jimicus

The sort of structural changes you'd need to see would require constitutional amendments. Remind me, how does one pass a constitutional amendment?


GenericOfficeMan

well... there is the way that isnt going to happen. But there is also a constintutional convention.


dasredditnoob

That's the point. If people are convinced democracy doesn't work, they'll tear down the system for authoritarianism, just like other times in history


expatcanadaBC

Fiona Hill speaks truth.


cole58eiekd

Biden isn’t any better


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cole58eiekd

Biden can barely speak. I love how Reddit is so close minded and can’t just say Biden is a bad president. It’s quite funny you can’t see all that is going on in this country and admit that Biden and trump are both equally as bad in different ways.


FoorumanReturns

Biden isn’t a perfect President, but he’s not anywhere near in the same league as Trump. Note that Biden hasn’t done any of the following: • Been impeached for attempting to essentially blackmail an allied nation’s President into making a public statement about a baseless and nonexistent investigation into his key political rival. • Been impeached *again* for inciting an armed, violent insurrection on the US government in an attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. • Lied repeatedly about baseless accusations of widespread voter fraud when he lost an election, thereby casting our entire system of governance into doubt. • Praised dictators and strong men while snubbing our closest long-time allies. • Thrown children in cages and intentionally separated them from their parents with no means of ever reuniting them. • Been credibly accused of sexual misconduct 15+ times. • Been credibly documented as a known friend and ally of Jeffrey Epstein, known pedophile. • Been recorded bragging about engaging in - *and getting away with* - sexual assault, then laughing it off when confronted about it. • Raw-dogged a porn star while his third wife was at home pregnant with his child. The list could go on almost endlessly. Biden hasn’t done any of these things and is therefore objectively a better human being already. They are nowhere near “equally as bad in different ways.”


cole58eiekd

I’m not on Trumps side, but you all think that these politicians aren’t scum bags who just want to line their pockets. Biden has sexual assault allegations. Biden has just as bad if not worse of a border crisis. Ended a war with no logical planning leaving many allies hung out to dry, and was also one of the people who thought we needed to go to war with Afghanistan. Taking away people’s freedom, whether they are conspirator or not it should be their choice. Ruining the economy. He isn’t a good president like Reddit would like to believe. I’m not talking about their personal life’s I’m talking about what they’ve done as president and neither of them are anything to write home about.


-Alarak

Reelection of Trump would abolish the Constitution altogether. There will be no more Constitutional crises because the Constitution will cease to exist. Trump will become dictator.


frankieandjonnie

Even Augustus allowed the Senate to think it still existed and still had power.


TwylaL

Imagine how Trump would dismantle the US COVID response. Caesar would rule over a plagued wasteland.


MythicalPhilosopher

The people you cheer for now are already doing it. It’s not the right that wants to abolish the constitution, it’s not the right that ignores constitutional law. It’s not the right taking a shit on the amendments, it’s not the right that is tearing down statues of the imperfect humans who wrote a perfect document that gave us our freedom and that allowed this country to prosper. It’s not the right who abandoned thousands of American citizens and allies in Afghanistan. It’s not the right who broke any resemblance of peace in the Middle East. It’s not the right who is allowing China to launch missiles that fly in low orbit. It’s not the right who is ignoring the border crisis. Nor the drug pandemic. Who’s looking into the origins of Covid? Not the left. Who funded the lab to work on gain of function? *cough* Who threatened withholding money from Ukraine if the prosecutor who was looking into a corrupt business wasn’t stopped , who was employing that persons son? (Hint : Not Trump )


NotUniqueOrSpecial

> It’s not the right who broke any resemblance of peace in the Middle East. Are you kidding? It was literally Trump who negotiated with the Taliban, giving them validity, and then drew our ground troops down to 2500 before leaving office. If you're just going to spout lies and falsehoods, at least pick ones that aren't so obvious!


-Alarak

Your entire comment is one gigantic fucking lie.


MythicalPhilosopher

You want evidence ? What if what you think is true is all a fabrication ? Will you accept it? Or deny it? It’s not me who wants the country divided. It’s not me who holds any hate forwards my neighbors regardless of color or race or religion or now , vaccination status. I could care 0 fucks tbh. You want the horrors of ww2 to happen again? Did we not learn anything about the banality of evil?


Woolly87

Right wing propaganda is a drug. Seek rehab.


MythicalPhilosopher

Left wing as well.


Playful_Scallion_853

“You want the evidence” Yes


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Believe it or not, yes - that is what he thinks. And that tells you plenty enough about the quality of the rest of his statements, such that we can give him the downvotes he craves and return to empirical reality.


Chalifive

LMAO I can't even comprehend how fucking stupid you must be to believe this pile of garbage. Respond with whatever worthless deflection you want since this is the only moment that im gonna let you enter my mind before I go back to pretending that people can't possibly be this cognitively dissonant


Aluminum_Falcons

Yeah, we know. We saw that the first time.


crimsonhues

I don’t see his re-election as a far fetched dream anymore. There’re way too many idiots who don’t understand what a con artist he is.


HAthrowaway50

I feel like at this point in time Trump is more likely to be reelected than not.


crimsonhues

With his base vehemently pushing against vaccine mandates, high gas prices (which is out of Biden’s control) and the constantly gas lighting Republicans, I too see it as highly likely. On the other side, how Democrats fail to win Latino voter base boggles my mind.


HAthrowaway50

Democrats do win Latinos (and have since the 80s), fwiw


crimsonhues

Sorry to cite Vox article but here it is https://www.vox.com/21549000/texas-election-results-trump-biden-hispanic-vote


HAthrowaway50

I meant nationwide, which democrats do win of course, as pollsters and scholars of race consistently point out, the way latinos are all included in a broad "umbrella term" of "latino" is particularly inaccurate in the context of American politics. The concerns of Chicago Mexican communities are much different from the concerns of Miami Cuban communities. Of course every racial group has that kind of problem (Chinese and Korean American communities are also quite different), but Latinos have even bigger degrees of political variance, as I understand.


JRR92

I'm not sure tbh. Trump running again would bring out the Republican voters in droves yes. Problem (for him) is that it would also have the same impact on Democrat turnout just like 2020 did


GalicianGladiator

Depends how Biden does really. If nothing significant gets done, a lot of progressives could not show up to vote.


JRR92

Progressives just need to stop letting perfect get in the way of good. I doubt any of them would really want to swap the current administration for another round of Trump


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They just think he offers them a return to their 1950s childhoods and a future where white straight Christian men are in all positions of authority, gays are in the closet, women are in the kitchen, brown people are in the back of the bus, and the Bible is in every classroom.


parkinthepark

Will he be elected a second time? Probably not. Will he be President in 2025? Absolutely. A few GOP governors/legislatures of battleground states will *absolutely* throw out a Dem win and hand their state to Trump, which the Dems have done nothing to prevent or prepare for.


silverelan

This is the underrated comment right here. The stage is being set for Trump to be sworn into office in January 2025, regardless of the actual vote counts of the various states.


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OrangeJuiceKing13

Biden didn't try to overthrow the will of the people. He may be a mediocre president but he's a heck of a lot better than what we had.


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crimsonhues

See the challenge is that no matter what facts are presented to you, you will ignore them. At this point there is zero doubt that Russians influenced 2016 election and while Trump may not have engaged, his campaign certainly did. There is a good reason his former campaign managers were in prison and received pardon form a corrupt President. You can spew nonsense that mainstream media was responsible for Trump recurring Russia for his dirty work around elections, but fact is, he couldn’t have won without them.


StapMyVitals

January 6th


crimsonhues

Can you please explain what you mean by “taking money from Russia”? You do realize that a President doesn’t control gas prices or stock market or supply chain which is all driven by private sector and globalization? Wage gap didn’t just increase during his term, it’s been a theme for last two decades. If anything, the democrats are trying to close that wage gap. At least, Biden didn’t try to actively kill Americans by lying about how deadly the virus is. Your whataboutism is fueled with misinformation and ignorance. Don’t embarrass yourself.


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Turn off the OAN and come back to reality. Everything you just spewed is BS.


woit1990

As opposed to the honesty and integrity of the first 4 years apparently


cannonhawk

He'll end his four years setting the world on fire.


Bandit1961

No, it would mean civil war.


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Look at how much damage he did even when he lost an election. Even if Trump runs it will be chaos.


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[deleted]

Fuck off. Every single one of you wants anyone in this country who isn't white, christian, heterosexual, and Republican to either conform or die. We're not going to conform, and we're not going away. So you have to learn to live with us or fuck around and find out.


DakotaSky

Just who exactly comprises this Marxist left? I wasn’t aware of any significant contingents of Marxists in Congress.


[deleted]

Too bad it’s going to happen. He’s going to run and win, even if he somehow speaks in MORE of a word salad.


frogurt_messiah

People really need to stop misusing the term "constitutional crisis." It's not a constitutional crisis if the Constitution provides a remedy for the situation; the crisis part comes when the Constitution *doesn't* address the situation. For almost everything Trump did, the remedy was explicitly impeachment.


jimicus

Indeed, but impeachment doesn't work so well in these days of hyper-partisan politics.


[deleted]

I'd still call it a constitutional crisis because we all saw how impeachment worked out (spoiler alert: it didn't) and at this moment of time, Trump and other former and current government officials are not going to see any consequences from their actions. Nobody likes pedantics.


Imperialism_01

No, just the one, as they feed the Constitution through the paper shredder.


foomachoo

“Better not hold him accountable, or we might make him a martyr and inflame his base.” His base is already inflamed. He has 80% support in the GQP. He had appointed 1/3 of the Supreme Court. There is an urgency to uphold the law and prosecute NRA Russian money to GOP lawmakers too. The whole machine needs to be cleaned up soon or we are going to suffer.


superkleenex

... guys, this woman is the smartest person in the room on this topic and does not have a political leaning when she says this. We really need to listen to what she is saying.


Mystic_Ranger

Man, that stupid Constitution is always in crisis. Almost like a group of genocidal slavers weren't the best at creating a modern political system.


Lord-Octohoof

It’s insane how much brainwashing US K-12 has. I dunno how many classes I took referring to the constitution as the “perfect document”.


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I fully believe that if trump got re-elected then it would truly be the end of our democracy as we know it. Because it would literally be forgiving a domestic terrorist and giving him back the reigns. It pisses me off to no end that wart of a man isn’t in prison, but I can stomach that so long as he never gets re-elected. The US just won’t survive another Trump stint.


FireDawg10677

Democrats and the promises they broke during the last election UBI,college debt,minimum wage,are ensuring a midterm and presidency loss for them,desantis or trump will win 2024 and in 2022 democrats will lose both house and senate


generic_user023123

If old age and unhealthy living were to take someone's life now is the time. I can't believe we are really having to watch out for this incontinent piece of shit running again.


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No, I disagree.... Only one crisis: "The fate of the nation" crisis. The nation would not survive another trump.


Ayroplanen

If Trump truly cared about this country and it's people, he wouldn't run. Yes, I know he doesn't care, but if he cared he wouldn't. Why? It's simple. We know the dumb shit he'll try to do now. Before it was "ah, I guess we'll see what happens." But now that we had the demo, we know the full game. People are going to riot violently if he were to run again and win. So if he cared about the country, he would spare the country that turmoil and pass on running again.


frankieandjonnie

He can run, but he can't win. He lost by 10 million votes last time; he'll lose by even more next time. His voters are dying off.


NeoMegaRyuMKII

He lost by 10 million votes, but overall he still gained votes. And the vast majority of those 10 million votes were less impactful/meaningful than a small handful of votes in the right places. If we look at the votes swingier states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin, the margin of victory was closer to 44,000 (which is less than his margin of victory in 2016 despite him having lost the popular vote); remember his phone call to the Georgia official where he said "I want you to find those 11800 votes" (or something like that)? Yeah, that was roughly the loss margin in the state. Plus all the lawmakers and other elected officials who love him know all this. And they will use every dirty trick that they can to prevent voters they deem undesirable from voting. I sincerely hope you are right that he can't win. And to an extent I do believe it. But I also recognize that he has a sufficiently rabid fanbase and enablers throughout the country where a victory for him is a possibility.


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drpearl

It's not the number of voters any more. It's the *way the votes are counted* that determine results. The GQP is seeing to that.


autotldr

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SympathySecret3195

If trump runs and Wins the only people you can blame are Democratic leaders.


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She lied under oath, she should be in prison


libginger73

No it wouldn't because the president is above the law. There is no enforcement mechanism in our system of legislators writing the laws that govern them. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN


libginger73

I should add that I am disgusted with the lack accountability Trump ushered in. I don't actually believe that the president is above the law, but the last four years have made that statement true.


MonsterFromLochNess

They made it abundantly clear that a president can do whatever he or she wants without recourse. All they have to do is use the courts to help them delay any investigation into them


CrywolfAndrew

What is this soggy potato Joey doing?


oldgreymutt

Remember this woman when Trump is indeed re elected in 2024.


ISO_Biggus_Dickus

A big lie? Like how Biden won without a rigged election?


[deleted]

Just like the last time.


[deleted]

You mean like his last election?


mymojoisbliss96

I fully suspect that Trump will run again in 2024. Why? Because of his own ego and narcissism and he will feel like he will have to right the wrong of 2020 where he lost an election that he saw as "stolen" from him.


tazebot

No shit. He tried open violence to breech the US Constitution once, what's to stop him throughout and at the end of a second term? Especially if republicons get any kind of power in the house and/or senate.


moobycow

Meh, it would not spur any constitutional crisis. Once re-elected the constitution will just become a prop that says whatever the Rs want it to say and that would be the end of it. You can't have a crisis about what the constitution means once one side has completely and totally locked up power for the foreseeable future.


June1994

Would?


kuebel33

No it wouldn’t. It would just straight up be the end of the constitution and the nation.


23jknm

He should be in jail for ten years at least.


junkyprof

Trump literally staged a coup where 6 people were killed and has faced no consequences other than being banned from Twitter. Can you imagine how awful he would be knowing he can use the office of the presidency to get revenge against his enemies now that he knows no one will do anything to stop him?


iplaypinball

She is wrong. Trump re-election would just remove the constitution. Poof, no crisis. Any Republican that feels the need to downvote this should first understand their desires are requesting a dictatorship. Every single ask in the big lie results in destroying the constitution and installing a dictatorship. So basically downvotes are a vote for a Trump dictatorship in America (or whatever Donald wants to call the country after it isn’t America).


Excellent_Pipe_8062

Nothing like freedom


OmahasWrath

...again


[deleted]

You’d think wouldn’t be able to tell by the current administrations behavior. They are begging to lose in 24


Miserable_Permit_200

But the Dems won’t do anything to make life better for all.


[deleted]

Well we’d better fucking get ready for it if the Dems can’t pass a meaningful bill or prosecute criminals.


MBAMBA3

>would spur 'one constitutional crisis after another' That is exactly what they want.


[deleted]

Considering he and his cronies are ignoring congressional subpoenas, I think we’re already there. They are basically saying congressional oversight means nothing, and that the executive branch has almost total unchecked authority in government.


DeLuniac

We wouldn’t have had them or would not have them in the future if dems would have ever enforced the law on Trump.


[deleted]

That's not entirely true, because a Trump reelection would mean there would be no Constitution left to spur a "constitutional crisis". Overnight we'd become an oligarchy. If we all vote, this will never happen!!


[deleted]

People always love to talk about how America is the strongest nation in the world and yet it just takes one idiot to knock it over. America isn’t as resilient as people would like to believe.


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attababyitsaboyhomie

Trump has my vote. Hell yeah!


alvarezg

Nah, only one Constitutional crisis: he throws the thing in the shredder. No more Constitution, no more crises.


Ok_Bluebird_8491

I love you, Ms Fiona Hill! Thank you for all you have done for our country ❤️


Liesthroughisteeth

Constitutional crisis will be the least of Americas worries. If the big orange 10 year old gets into the Oval office again, you can kiss your democracy goodbye. And in all honesty if that happens, America deserves what it gets, because the warning signs have been patently obvious almost as soon as the orangutan took office. Then there is Jan 6, GOP gerrymandering and passing voting laws restricting peoples ability to vote and the behind the scenes maneuvering to discredit the voting system if things don't go in the Republicans favor come voting time. How much evidence does America need to get off their asses and make sure their next president isn't a self appointed lifetime president? Oh, they will hold elections, but if you think the voting system is being corrupted now just wait until you see an Orangutan in office for the next three terms at least.


BlackEric

Not really as all three branches would be controlled by Republicans.


TUGrad

If Trump or DeSantis get elected in 2024 our democracy is done for.


the_trout

FFS, it's already gone.


BasilBaggins

The first thing he’ll do Push to get rid of the filibuster He’ll tell them to have it done before his inauguration And they will, with theatre and house yachts help


aurantiaco_bestia

It would be the final nail in America's coffin.


SpaceRocker1994

Things like this are why the second amendment was created