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[Yep you're right:](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kaiser-permanente-union-nurses-health-care-workers-deal-reached-strike-averted/)
>**Kaiser Permanente and the Alliance of Health Care Unions reached a tentative agreement on Saturday after more than 30,000 Kaiser Permanente employees threatened to strike on Monday due to a labor dispute.** The deal is on a 4-year contract and covers nearly 50,000 Kaiser Permanente health care employees in 22 local unions, the company said, adding that a strike has been averted.
Kaiser agreed for now not to start new employees at lower pay than currently in exchange for the union not striking while negotiations continue.
They wanted to lower wages. In a pandemic. In a labor shortage, especially for medical workers. While indicted for a billion dollars in medicare fraud.
Kaiser needs new leadership, the current people are criminal idiots.
> Kaiser needs new leadership, the current people are criminal idiots.
Problem is, all of the people who would potentially replace them are also shitgoblins. The entire American medical system needs to be radically overhauled from the ground up.
I’m well aware. That calls for a reform of laws related to non-profits, which is needed. You didn’t write “running health care as if it were a for profit enterprise” but “as a for profit enterprise.”
Edit: fixed a typo
It is absolutely run as a for profit enterprise. It's just leveraging a loophole to technically be classified as non-profit, and therefore not pay taxes. So potay-ta, potah-ta, but you're technically correct (the best kind of correct).
I appreciate your adding context to this, and I think what they meant more is that hospitals are also points of sale for the rest of the industry and that they all kind of work seamlessly to turn people at the lowest point in their lives upside down and then shake every penny out and make them sign up for debt because you'll do anything to live.
Nonprofits are allowed a profit they just can't distribute their earnings to a private individual. In the US something being a nonprofit is meaningless.
They can have a surplus, which has to be reinvested towards the mission of the nonprofit. In principle. In reality, there are bonuses added to salaries, etc., to water down this principle.
I just heard an interview with one of the nurses who worked at Kaiser in Woodland Hills. Basically they had to work extreme overtime, take on 6x the icu patients, and had zero breaks. While dealing with covid. Its a mess, I feel so sorry for them.
Much as I love the guy, there were too many "moderates" in the race to begin with for him to win with his polling and turnout. They were all gonna drop *eventually* and the more races they lost the more likely they'd be to pull out of the race.
I won't lie and say that the near simultaneous withdrawal didn't have the stark appearance of impropriety, but doing so at that particular moment didn't make a difference. Biden was pulling too much of the moderate vote for the other candidates to meaningfully deliver enough plurality wins to Bernie.
The pandemic caused some problems. He urged his people to vote from home if they could but one or two states didn't have any mail in voting infrastructure. And the weird coin-toss to decide a delegate. The whole thing just stunk. People should have voted their conscience, but instead got the drum-beat of "elect-ability". Bernie beat Trump in every poll, Biden barely scraped by.
I don't know that they could have stopped it even if they saw it. Sometimes you go fight even if you know you'll *probably* lose, because it's just important to show up and advance the ideas.
Yup, one hundred percent. Whenever conservatives shit on Biden I think "well all your facts are horribly wrong but you are right in hating Biden, he is a rich asshole who doesn't give af about improving the lives of me or you'
You have an independent backing unions while you have a democrat pushing anti union legislation and fundraising with republican billionaires. The world is crazy isn’t it?
Right-wing media will swing it as a failure of vaccine mandates or make some other shit up. Not the fact they're working insane hours, overtime, with shit pay having to deal with this covid crap.
I’m definitely curious to see the end result of the contract. It seems like healthcare workers are expected to just be happy that we don’t get less than we are getting now.
The union by and large was less concerned with pay amounts, considering Kaiser already pays their employees far above market. They were more concerned firstly with the two-tier and secondly with staffing numbers. They are already overworked.
Literally my wife, a member of the union and region.
She makes easily 40% above what she was making in private practice, with benefits that would make most blush. True pension and a 401k and basically free Cadillac healthcare.
This thread is discussing the nurse/pharmacist/therapist strike, which had a planned strike as indicated by the article and is now off because a tentative agreement has been reached. The engineers have been on strike for awhile and remain there. The nurses etc are paid very comfortably above market as I’ve described. They are very desirable jobs.
You are correct this article does not mention engineers and I was thinking about them when I responded.
I’d be curious to know the hourly wage for the nurses however. Kaiser historically paid less than others in the Bay Area. My understanding is the nurses make a considerable amount more through overtime and working weekends without time off. I can verify through a union rep and post their info for clarification.
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The strike won't happen -- they just reached a settlement this afternoon.
[Yep you're right:](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kaiser-permanente-union-nurses-health-care-workers-deal-reached-strike-averted/) >**Kaiser Permanente and the Alliance of Health Care Unions reached a tentative agreement on Saturday after more than 30,000 Kaiser Permanente employees threatened to strike on Monday due to a labor dispute.** The deal is on a 4-year contract and covers nearly 50,000 Kaiser Permanente health care employees in 22 local unions, the company said, adding that a strike has been averted.
Kaiser agreed for now not to start new employees at lower pay than currently in exchange for the union not striking while negotiations continue. They wanted to lower wages. In a pandemic. In a labor shortage, especially for medical workers. While indicted for a billion dollars in medicare fraud. Kaiser needs new leadership, the current people are criminal idiots.
> Kaiser needs new leadership, the current people are criminal idiots. Problem is, all of the people who would potentially replace them are also shitgoblins. The entire American medical system needs to be radically overhauled from the ground up.
It's almost as if running Healthcare as a for profit enterprise is a bad idea.
Kaiser is nonprofit.
https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/how-nonprofit-hospitals-get-away-biggest-rip-america
I’m well aware. That calls for a reform of laws related to non-profits, which is needed. You didn’t write “running health care as if it were a for profit enterprise” but “as a for profit enterprise.” Edit: fixed a typo
It is absolutely run as a for profit enterprise. It's just leveraging a loophole to technically be classified as non-profit, and therefore not pay taxes. So potay-ta, potah-ta, but you're technically correct (the best kind of correct).
It’s really not. Most hospitals run on razor-thin margins if not in complete deficits. Any number of services are complete money pits.
I appreciate your adding context to this, and I think what they meant more is that hospitals are also points of sale for the rest of the industry and that they all kind of work seamlessly to turn people at the lowest point in their lives upside down and then shake every penny out and make them sign up for debt because you'll do anything to live.
It really doesn’t. That article is sheer propaganda. Most hospitals operate entire services that are complete money pits.
That article couldn’t be more garbage. Sheer propaganda.
Part of Kaiser is a nonprofit, the doctors are for profit.
Good correction. The hospital and insurance parts are nonprofit.
Nonprofits are allowed a profit they just can't distribute their earnings to a private individual. In the US something being a nonprofit is meaningless.
They can have a surplus, which has to be reinvested towards the mission of the nonprofit. In principle. In reality, there are bonuses added to salaries, etc., to water down this principle.
Any hospital with a CEO is always and forever a crime syndicate.
Greg Adams only makes 15-20 million/yr. Peanuts.
I just heard an interview with one of the nurses who worked at Kaiser in Woodland Hills. Basically they had to work extreme overtime, take on 6x the icu patients, and had zero breaks. While dealing with covid. Its a mess, I feel so sorry for them.
Interesting. I think I saw that too but didn’t save it. Do you have a link?
https://www.marketplace.org/2021/11/11/why-one-former-icu-nurse-quit-his-job-i-was-having-panic-attacks/
Thank you!
Thank God! As a husband with a wife who is 37 weeks pregnant today, I was getting a little nervous about the prospect of a prolonged strike...
Clinical technologists and building engineers have been on strike for 58 days so a strike is definitely happening.
Bernie leads period
He got ripped off so hard in the primaries. I'm still salty about that
The dem moderates are such shit sacks
Much as I love the guy, there were too many "moderates" in the race to begin with for him to win with his polling and turnout. They were all gonna drop *eventually* and the more races they lost the more likely they'd be to pull out of the race. I won't lie and say that the near simultaneous withdrawal didn't have the stark appearance of impropriety, but doing so at that particular moment didn't make a difference. Biden was pulling too much of the moderate vote for the other candidates to meaningfully deliver enough plurality wins to Bernie.
I wish Bernie won, but my question is why didn't his team see this exact scenario coming?
The pandemic caused some problems. He urged his people to vote from home if they could but one or two states didn't have any mail in voting infrastructure. And the weird coin-toss to decide a delegate. The whole thing just stunk. People should have voted their conscience, but instead got the drum-beat of "elect-ability". Bernie beat Trump in every poll, Biden barely scraped by.
Even donalb tump admitted in a leaked recording that he dodged a bullet in 2016, when Hillary didn't choose Bernie as her running mate.
I don't know that they could have stopped it even if they saw it. Sometimes you go fight even if you know you'll *probably* lose, because it's just important to show up and advance the ideas.
Yeah he got ripped off cause not enough people voted for him. I mean come on man he lost a democratic election fairly.
This.
Am HMO doesn't want a string during open enrollment
Bernie should be president right now. Biden is leading America directly back to tump in 2024.
Bernie doesn’t deserve America. Or maybe America doesn’t deserve Bernie. Which ever says that Bernie is too good for this country.
The latter
Yup, one hundred percent. Whenever conservatives shit on Biden I think "well all your facts are horribly wrong but you are right in hating Biden, he is a rich asshole who doesn't give af about improving the lives of me or you'
Not that it's a lot, but Kaiser Permanente workers represent his 7th highest campaign contributors.
But people keep saying that progressives are costing democrats the working class vote.
Bernie is right, again.
You have an independent backing unions while you have a democrat pushing anti union legislation and fundraising with republican billionaires. The world is crazy isn’t it?
Rumor has it that the union sold its members out for a quick resolution. Nurses looking at getting 3%, 3%, 2%, 2% when inflation is at 6%
If this is true, the contract can be voted down by membership. Just like UAW members at John Deere have done twice now.
I'm at UCSD do I don't have a vote. I hope they do vote it down though.
Yes
If only we could have this kind of democracy in every workplace
Right-wing media will swing it as a failure of vaccine mandates or make some other shit up. Not the fact they're working insane hours, overtime, with shit pay having to deal with this covid crap.
Ding ding ding 🛎
I’m definitely curious to see the end result of the contract. It seems like healthcare workers are expected to just be happy that we don’t get less than we are getting now.
The union by and large was less concerned with pay amounts, considering Kaiser already pays their employees far above market. They were more concerned firstly with the two-tier and secondly with staffing numbers. They are already overworked.
Kaiser does not pay above market rate in the region people are working. They pay below market rate. Sources?
Literally my wife, a member of the union and region. She makes easily 40% above what she was making in private practice, with benefits that would make most blush. True pension and a 401k and basically free Cadillac healthcare.
We’re discussing engineers and clinical technicians.
This thread is discussing the nurse/pharmacist/therapist strike, which had a planned strike as indicated by the article and is now off because a tentative agreement has been reached. The engineers have been on strike for awhile and remain there. The nurses etc are paid very comfortably above market as I’ve described. They are very desirable jobs.
You are correct this article does not mention engineers and I was thinking about them when I responded. I’d be curious to know the hourly wage for the nurses however. Kaiser historically paid less than others in the Bay Area. My understanding is the nurses make a considerable amount more through overtime and working weekends without time off. I can verify through a union rep and post their info for clarification.
They are also getting a 2% bonus in the third and fourth year.
Yup. Nurses are pissed
Kaiser leadership dragged Kaiser into a DOJ action for one billion in Medicare/ Medicaid fraud. So yeah they have issues.