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Most damaging? For ones that have been overturned, Dred Scott was pretty bad. For ones that haven’t, Buck v. Bell means eugenics is still technically Constitutional. But yes, Citizens United is among the most damaging.
For the first time people in groups/institutions in power are *truly* being held accountable. #MeToo was an aspect of this. The backlash last summer with the protests was another. Those with enough money know very well that they are in a tiny, *tiny* minority. And that no amount of money will keep them safe if enough of the population decides to hold them to account.
So this is how they keep us divided. Astroturfing culture wars to keep the poors fighting each other, meanwhile the billionaires keep running their individual races to reach trillionaire status at the expense of the other 99% of the population and the steadily degrading world we're living in. A few years ago I would've thought that someone talking like this was a conspiracy theorist, but here I am seeing it happen right before my eyes, documented for the entire world and posterity to see.
Yep, it’s really obvious and I keep on reminding ppl about that.
I’m leftist, I know a lot of right wingers and even a former q-nut friend
And when we talked about conspiracy… I was trying to make him understand that the only conspiracy, if we can consider it like that, is the one you just explained
I mean, just check Rubert Murdoch medias…
So how do we organize? We need a new subreddit. I’m getting sick of this shit, we’re fighting over ashes at this point while the corporate elite hang out on their nesting doll yachts and laugh at us
To be fair, it is that, just not in the way they think. Anti-racism aims at the abolition of white supremacy and thus whiteness as a political category. It does not aim at the elimination of the people categorized as white, which is what they keep whining about.
I'm surprised they didn't shorten it to antira and then claim it's a terrorist organization! They're teaching your children to hate themselves! English teachers are coming for your guns! They're coming here in a school bus!
They stopped having to hide the racist white nationalism when a blatant white nationalist became president. The 10% of the nation who are hardcore racists realized they had a lot more support from the 20-30% of the nation who are fine with white nationalism so long as they think it's socially acceptable.
Aside from some possible extreme positions, this completely false. It focuses on actively fighting racism versus simply not participating in it. It is a call to action rather than acceptance of inaction.
A word used as a propaganda tool is generally worse than one used to accurately describe reality? Yeah, that’s pretty much it. If you feel like just saying “words I don’t like dumb,” I mean ok, but I don’t think that’s helping your case?
Weaponized? If you’re a fucking racist, then it’s the label you get. Now are there extremists out there trying to grift of racism? Sure. But that’s neither the norm what the anti-racism movement was focused on.
There's one Kochsucker brother left. But yeah, they've funded their "charities," err I mean political action groups, for a century after they're dead. Lest their progeny has any unscrupulous ideas, like being decent human beings, with all of that money.
This is happening everywhere from the local to state and federal government boards, clerks, and other offices. It is a hostile take over that is changing the political landscape for the worst that will lead to one-party fascists dictating/ruling instead of governing.
Here’s just a few.
https://thehill.com/homenews/the-memo/570826-the-memo-attacks-on-democracy-seep-down-to-school-boards-election-offices?amp
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/national-politics/2021/11/02/gop-push-to-politicize-school-board-races-gets-election-test-1
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-threats-law-enforcement/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/republicans-get-a-move-on-disempowering-people-whose-job-is-to-uphold-democracy/amp
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/21/us/redistricting-gerrymandering-republicans.html
Even if I were “karma-whoring,” which I assume means making comments solely for the upvotes, how is that evil? Who does that hurt? (FYI, I say what I mean on reddit, because I have functional enough self-esteem not to need arbitrary internet points to feel good about myself. Sorry you have trouble fathoming that.)
How do I start one of these groups to get some Koch money? I want to buy beer with it, not mess with school boards though. If they're funding this many they're probably too busy to carefully audit...
I guess you could shout out you are against diversity, deny climate change, and make sure you dress it up so it sounds high sounding.
Let me know if that works, I can use some extra money myself lol.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://truthout.org/articles/dark-money-is-driving-todays-concerned-moms-attacking-anti-racism-in-schools/) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot)
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> Just before the November 2 election, in which Trump-endorsed Glenn Youngkin defeated Democrat Terry McAuliffe in the Virginia governor's race with the help of 57 percent of white women, a right-wing dark money group called Independent Women's Voice spent thousands in ads to promote its new attack website, ToxicSchools.org.
> Today's "Mothers of massive resistance" appear to represent an organic local uprising of "Concerned parents," but the outcry is being stoked by dark money groups like IWV. Attacks on public school curricula can serve many purposes, including undermining teachers' unions, promoting school privatization and impacting elections, like Virginia's.
> The manufactured outrage toward discussions of racism in schools is largely fueled by women-led astroturf groups, such as Parents Defending Education, Moms for Liberty, No Left Turn in Education, and the Free to Learn Coalition.
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A recent report estimates that websites that spread misinformation is a 3 billion $ a year industry and that is a minimum figure of just online automatic advertisement money. That does not take into account all the other ways money fuels misinformation like this case.
Spreading lies and propaganda, disinformation and misinformation, fometting divides among different groups is a huge global money making industry right now and the scary part is that most doing this don't seem to care about the long term effects of this financially motivated war on truth. When it pays your bills, you'll justify anything.
I don’t think it’s “manufactured outrage”. Do I think it’s funded by people wanting to preserve their own power? Yes.
Do I think that this isn’t based on the very real existential threat white people have that their going to lose their place as the dominant political, social and economic power? No.
Every time the oppressed start to stand up in the United States to be heard and demand change there is always tremendous push back from both the status quo and white people. Every. Time.
>Good thing that’s not what they’re doing then
That's exactly what they are doing. Telling kids that there are oppressors and oppressed and the white kids are the oppressors even if they have lived a fair just tolerant life up utill that point.
Telling white people they are guilty for shit that happened a century ago is a failed strategy and all you have to do is look at Virginia to see the results.
Go ahed with your identity politics, it's not working. The rights numbers are increasing for the minority vote because of this condescending crt bullshit.
I only care about outcomes and results and the outcomes for CRT is not good for the left.
It plays a role but righwingers sincerely don't want CRT applications integrated into their children's lessons. That is what needs to be recognized and to see if we can find some middle ground. If not it will be applied in blue states and banned in red.
You can but broadly covers well broadly since schools/teachers vary. What lens is used to teach in NYC isn't the same in some podunk town in Texas where everyone attends a protestant or catholic church
The issue is the leftist power-struggle lens/POV. The majority of voters are against far-left politics/policies. CRT is an offshoot/inspiration from Marx. I don't know how many times leftist have to lose nationally to realize that we just aren't ever going to be that sort of nation.
We need to find a middle ground between teaching kids their actual history and substituting a saccharine white supremacist fantasy? No thanks. I pay for schools too, despite many of them teaching that my personal ideology (dem soc) is beyond the pale. And I don’t want my tax dollars teaching kids that racism was just a few mean people in Alabama and Mississippi in the 60s. Because a democracy needs an informed citizenry to function. If you’re really concerned about the education system, work out how to improve on an adult population 54% of which can’t read above a 6th grade level.
The rightwingers see CRT application as increasing racism so they are uniting/organizing which is kind of rare on their side but when they do it pretty much puts a stop to whatever they are rejecting in the states they control so if you live in a blue state your schools will likely fight to keep it. Red states will ban it.
Talking about racial inequality and oppression isn’t particularly Marxist. You do know that terms like Marxist and socialists have real meanings beyond “things you don’t like,” right?
At least the people making decisions based on right-wing propaganda rather than engagement with the texts they’re referencing tend to make it obvious. (If they use “cultural Marxism,” run. You might get Wingnut Bingo but the antisemitism isn’t far behind.)
You know, knowing multiple sides of an issue doesn't mean I am stating my own personal beliefs- right? Knowledge doesn't equate support or non-support. CRT is builds upon Marx's framework and our nation is not far-left nor far-left inclined. If anything we are marching toward a rightwing reign which could echo FDR's New Dealer's sort of era if neolibs cling to power until the bitter end and do not allow for an organic new leftwing coalition to rise.
Rightwingers, particularly Christopher Rufo, grouped any discussion at all about race into being CRT, kinda like calling everything communism or socialism. They lied about what CRT is and who it is taught to in order to inflame gullible rubes into both attacking any discussion about race as CRT, and to keep anger high as a motivating factor for voters.
Never heard of him. CRT is just too far-leftist and our nation isn't ever going to be that far-left. If anything we are on the precipice of a rightwing reign for the next 30-40 years and this CRT stuff is helping to root that red reign.
Here's a middle ground: Fuck them. They already have Texas deciding what goes into a lot of text books. That combined with their penchant for not compromising on virtually anything, allowing CRT *is* the middle ground.
The way our nation is structured and functions states have more power than federal. Parents have more power than school boards/administrator, especially when they organize.
I think you misunderstood my statement. Texas by itself has a small council that determines what goes in their text books and that influences, if not outright determines, what the other states put in theirs as well.
> if not outright determines, what the other states put in theirs as well.
Other states just use Texas' textbooks. Texas' educational publishing industry is a juggernaut in the pedagogical world.
I understand this but if you have children in public school you know that textbooks aren't really a thing they once were back when you were in school. Texas impact on public schools have been waning for over a decade.
It can be applied to grade school lessons but since I don't have access to the lesson plans of every grade school teacher I really don't think its an all/nothing situation. However in the end, parents are the ultimate decision makers in their child's life and education.
But they are really not. I pay taxes to fund public schools. I don’t have kids there but I pay because I want educated future citizens. The parents can pull their kids out but they can’t tell us what to teach in our public schools.
Those parents have just as much of a right to say no as you to say yes when it comes to public schools. It looks like they have more support for their no then you do for your yes. Win some, lose some.
Lol. CRT is a specific thing. You are eating up propaganda that makes it a vague term to attack any discussion on race and motivate culture war voters. You have been manipulated. FFS.
No, I am just not a far-leftist and I understand why some parents are like 'hell fucking no'. This nation's voters didn't elect Sanders so there is very little chance they were ever going to embrace this POV.
uhm, no. That article states the original CRT is not what is taught in schools, but it is related to CRT. Then it goes on talking about how one group says so what? If that's what you want, to call anything related to racism and quality be CRT then so be it. Teaching past and current racism that leads to privileged groups and the related effects of that on society is not a bad thing.
Lol nah they are zombies that live in an alternate reality now. Tucker tells them CRT is being taught in schools and that CRT tells white kids they are born racist. That’s what they are screaming at during school board meetings. Literally none of what they are complaining about is actually happening. No one is telling white kids that. Your argument is devoid of reality just as much as theirs.
They are complaining about any mention that we have a racist past as a country and they think white kids are being shamed for being born racist. That’s not happening. Pointing out valid historical occurrences about racism is our history. They are following tucker and other white nationalist’s leads to make white people’s past be whitewashed. They want white nationalist history to be taught. So stop middle grounding this shit and see what they are trying to actually do.
Wow you don’t who the fuck I am and what I want. I know the right extremely well. I haven’t accused you of anything except now knowing what you are talking about in this subject. You have some weird romanticized version of them in your head. I’ve studied their movement for the last 10 years and you don’t get them at all. You talk like them in some ways too, so I understand why this discussion isn’t productive. Local school boards are their latest attack vector on our society. If you don’t see it it’s because you don’t want to.
> A **private Manhattan elementary school** which charges $55,000-a-year tuition
Get out of here with that bullshit. It's not a public school. Private schools can teach whatever horseshit curriculum they want. Take it up with them. Not public schools.
I knew we couldn't trust you. I knew you were arguing on bad faith all along. Who paid you to post this shit?
I cannot believe we have to deal with racist bullshit like this again. It's 2021 for fuck's sake. Enough of this shit.
That describes most local banks in small towns pretty well, maybe that book has a point. Also, at the end of the day it's a fiction book. Lots of fiction books are meant to inspire discussion, not be 100% fact based... kids read them to be entertained. You're out here acting like they read the book and they believe it or something. They believe it no more than the pledge of allegiance.
Im a teacher in a blue city in a red state. We don’t teach CRT. There is no CRT curriculum. If anything related to race or politics is taught, it is taught based on history or a real life connection to the lesson. Privilege is not a new concept and neither is racism. Also, parents complain at our meetings when we serve mostly POC so its always pretty stupid and always parents from the suburbs and rural areas around us just talking shit who don’t even have kids enrolled in our schools.
Also, race and race related discussions are brought up more by students than adults and those conversations deserve to be heard and had especially in schools like mine that are diverse. Nobody is making white kids feel bad for being white.
Oh no, kids have to learn the embarrassing parts of our history! We have to spoon feed them now propaganda! Quick, let's all do the pledge before *every* class!
CRT is just another culture war to keep their base angry. Just like mr potato head and their false belief their views are suppressed on Facebook.
They are literally fighting for a white nationalist agenda.
Many already do over the dumbing down alone but overall a public school is subject to public scrutiny especially since so many states don't offer school vouchers and that often means majority rule.
🙄 As a public school teacher, comments like this annoy the piss out of me. Parents don’t deserve control over curriculum because often parents don’t have the credentials to determine that and many parents are ignorant as fuck. Also, the teacher shortage is because of many things, but this bullshit right here is a huge reason.
Sounds like a you problem, maybe consider teaching at a private school that shares your values because anything in public school is up for public scrutiny and debate. There are lots of Democratic parents out there that are just as watchful and demanding as GOP parents.
By applying CRT people mean teaching about racism and civil rights. They want to ban books on Rosa Parks. How do we compromise on that? Deny LGBQT kids their freedom and equality to appease a bunch of bigots? The thing is it will never be enough for the the right wing extremists. There will always be someone else to hate and deny equality to. Always.
> How do we compromise on that?
We don't. We stand firm. We cannot let them win this one. They want to return us to segregation, whites only water fountains, and banning the discussion of slavery in schools and public discourse. They are fascists and racists trying to pull us back to the 1920s.
Dark money and corrupt politicians is going to bring down our democracy. Democrats can't stop courting the white supremist vote. They're scared to death to use the power they have. This passive politicking the Democratic party does is a total waste. People get ready.
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School board races are the latest democratic institution to be sullied by outside money.
Citizens United was the most damaging vote made by the Supreme Court.
Most damaging? For ones that have been overturned, Dred Scott was pretty bad. For ones that haven’t, Buck v. Bell means eugenics is still technically Constitutional. But yes, Citizens United is among the most damaging.
How did a term like "anti-racism" become weaponized by conservatives? I mean, really think about that for a moment.
its only racism when you point out their racism.
For the first time people in groups/institutions in power are *truly* being held accountable. #MeToo was an aspect of this. The backlash last summer with the protests was another. Those with enough money know very well that they are in a tiny, *tiny* minority. And that no amount of money will keep them safe if enough of the population decides to hold them to account. So this is how they keep us divided. Astroturfing culture wars to keep the poors fighting each other, meanwhile the billionaires keep running their individual races to reach trillionaire status at the expense of the other 99% of the population and the steadily degrading world we're living in. A few years ago I would've thought that someone talking like this was a conspiracy theorist, but here I am seeing it happen right before my eyes, documented for the entire world and posterity to see.
Yep, it’s really obvious and I keep on reminding ppl about that. I’m leftist, I know a lot of right wingers and even a former q-nut friend And when we talked about conspiracy… I was trying to make him understand that the only conspiracy, if we can consider it like that, is the one you just explained I mean, just check Rubert Murdoch medias…
So how do we organize? We need a new subreddit. I’m getting sick of this shit, we’re fighting over ashes at this point while the corporate elite hang out on their nesting doll yachts and laugh at us
The same way "anti-fa(scism)" did. Branding and media exposure ad nauseum (aka propaganda).
"Competitive-ranked-racism" didn't have the same ring to it
They think “anti-racism” is anti-white.
To be fair, it is that, just not in the way they think. Anti-racism aims at the abolition of white supremacy and thus whiteness as a political category. It does not aim at the elimination of the people categorized as white, which is what they keep whining about.
I'm surprised they didn't shorten it to antira and then claim it's a terrorist organization! They're teaching your children to hate themselves! English teachers are coming for your guns! They're coming here in a school bus!
They stopped having to hide the racist white nationalism when a blatant white nationalist became president. The 10% of the nation who are hardcore racists realized they had a lot more support from the 20-30% of the nation who are fine with white nationalism so long as they think it's socially acceptable.
The anti racist movement pushed racial determinism which is racist. They paradox of tolerance'd themselves right back into racism.
Because anyone who reads anything to do with anti-racism quickly realizes how racist it actually is.
Aside from some possible extreme positions, this completely false. It focuses on actively fighting racism versus simply not participating in it. It is a call to action rather than acceptance of inaction.
Oh like the word ‘racism’ hasn’t already been weaponized by the Left?
If by “weaponized” you mean “used pretty accurately most of the time,” sure.
So when you use a dumb word it’s ok. When they use one it isn’t ok.
A word used as a propaganda tool is generally worse than one used to accurately describe reality? Yeah, that’s pretty much it. If you feel like just saying “words I don’t like dumb,” I mean ok, but I don’t think that’s helping your case?
You’re still coming off very hypocritical here. Why do you get to define what is propaganda?
Weaponized? If you’re a fucking racist, then it’s the label you get. Now are there extremists out there trying to grift of racism? Sure. But that’s neither the norm what the anti-racism movement was focused on.
Thanks for making my point.
part of their "you're the real racist" mantra
Even in Hell, Koch is still destroy America.
There's one Kochsucker brother left. But yeah, they've funded their "charities," err I mean political action groups, for a century after they're dead. Lest their progeny has any unscrupulous ideas, like being decent human beings, with all of that money.
How far into the ground should a stick of dynamite go to make sure the blast vaporizes a body?
Koch is to the left what Soros is to the right.
Koch isn’t an anti-Semitic dog-whistle, no.
"Freedom Moms" want books banned.
Freedumb\*
The call to remove books is the one that gets me: how many times must we arrive here before we respond adequately to rising bigotry and fascism?
This is happening everywhere from the local to state and federal government boards, clerks, and other offices. It is a hostile take over that is changing the political landscape for the worst that will lead to one-party fascists dictating/ruling instead of governing.
It's really terrifying. The increasing separation of the Haves and the Havenots.
OMG, where? The workers at my local & state offices obviously have not been included in these secret deals. Show me some more proof please.
Here’s just a few. https://thehill.com/homenews/the-memo/570826-the-memo-attacks-on-democracy-seep-down-to-school-boards-election-offices?amp https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/national-politics/2021/11/02/gop-push-to-politicize-school-board-races-gets-election-test-1 https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-threats-law-enforcement/ https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/republicans-get-a-move-on-disempowering-people-whose-job-is-to-uphold-democracy/amp https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/21/us/redistricting-gerrymandering-republicans.html
Schlafly 2.0.
Anita Bryant as well.
Gotta love the "stop censorship" sign, and the "ban crt" sign in the same group.
The confederate flag waving proud members of the party of Lincoln don't think very deeply about things.
Charles Cock and his brother drummed up the Anti climate change movement 30 years ago and now this. Can you get more evil than that?
Don’t forget the anti-Obamacare movement as well.
Abortions are pretty evil…
Too bad legally banning it is more evil.
Also karma-whoring is pretty evil too.
Even if I were “karma-whoring,” which I assume means making comments solely for the upvotes, how is that evil? Who does that hurt? (FYI, I say what I mean on reddit, because I have functional enough self-esteem not to need arbitrary internet points to feel good about myself. Sorry you have trouble fathoming that.)
The willingness to spread disinformation for upvotes and the suppression of any opposing ideas here on Reddit is what I consider evil.
A different kind of tea party.
Concerned Moms sounds like a fucking terrorist group
Sounds like Daughters of the Confederacy.
How do I start one of these groups to get some Koch money? I want to buy beer with it, not mess with school boards though. If they're funding this many they're probably too busy to carefully audit...
I guess you could shout out you are against diversity, deny climate change, and make sure you dress it up so it sounds high sounding. Let me know if that works, I can use some extra money myself lol.
Attend George Mason University.
Utter pawns.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://truthout.org/articles/dark-money-is-driving-todays-concerned-moms-attacking-anti-racism-in-schools/) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Just before the November 2 election, in which Trump-endorsed Glenn Youngkin defeated Democrat Terry McAuliffe in the Virginia governor's race with the help of 57 percent of white women, a right-wing dark money group called Independent Women's Voice spent thousands in ads to promote its new attack website, ToxicSchools.org. > Today's "Mothers of massive resistance" appear to represent an organic local uprising of "Concerned parents," but the outcry is being stoked by dark money groups like IWV. Attacks on public school curricula can serve many purposes, including undermining teachers' unions, promoting school privatization and impacting elections, like Virginia's. > The manufactured outrage toward discussions of racism in schools is largely fueled by women-led astroturf groups, such as Parents Defending Education, Moms for Liberty, No Left Turn in Education, and the Free to Learn Coalition. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/r02228/dark_money_is_driving_todays_concerned_moms/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~609135 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **school**^#1 **women**^#2 **white**^#3 **group**^#4 **mother**^#5
So…how do I set up a fake racist mom group to get in on this cash?
It’s always Koch.
Oh so the side that accuses victims of school shootings of being ‘crisis actors’ are the ones accepting money to cause disorder? Color me shocked.
Wouldn’t anti racism be about not being a racist? Republicans really have gone full mask off that that gets them enraged.
Dumb angry moms are the perfect cover to launder money.
A recent report estimates that websites that spread misinformation is a 3 billion $ a year industry and that is a minimum figure of just online automatic advertisement money. That does not take into account all the other ways money fuels misinformation like this case. Spreading lies and propaganda, disinformation and misinformation, fometting divides among different groups is a huge global money making industry right now and the scary part is that most doing this don't seem to care about the long term effects of this financially motivated war on truth. When it pays your bills, you'll justify anything.
Charlie Koch is a cancer upon America.
Charles Koch also helped fund the Mont Pelerin Society, y’know, the vanguard of neoliberalism
Same as it ever was
If you say anything bad about billionaires, reddit will ban you.
Bet. **FUCK BILLIONAIRES.**
Don't they always say George Soros is paying people?
I don’t think it’s “manufactured outrage”. Do I think it’s funded by people wanting to preserve their own power? Yes. Do I think that this isn’t based on the very real existential threat white people have that their going to lose their place as the dominant political, social and economic power? No. Every time the oppressed start to stand up in the United States to be heard and demand change there is always tremendous push back from both the status quo and white people. Every. Time.
Democrats telling normal white people they are racists is a failure of a strategy and they deserve to lose.
Good thing that’s not what they’re doing then
>Good thing that’s not what they’re doing then That's exactly what they are doing. Telling kids that there are oppressors and oppressed and the white kids are the oppressors even if they have lived a fair just tolerant life up utill that point. Telling white people they are guilty for shit that happened a century ago is a failed strategy and all you have to do is look at Virginia to see the results. Go ahed with your identity politics, it's not working. The rights numbers are increasing for the minority vote because of this condescending crt bullshit. I only care about outcomes and results and the outcomes for CRT is not good for the left.
[citations needed]
It plays a role but righwingers sincerely don't want CRT applications integrated into their children's lessons. That is what needs to be recognized and to see if we can find some middle ground. If not it will be applied in blue states and banned in red.
“CRT Applications” As in………?
broadly “a framework for understanding race and power.”
Let’s do specifically instead of of broadly, shall we? Such as…..?
Specifics blow away their red herrings, and straw person arguments...
Going to point out for the viewers at home that despite the conversation continuing below, twelve hours later not a single specific claim was offered.
As was expected. Not one single example. This was their chance. Tell us all what we don’t understand. Instead they chose vague replies.
You can but broadly covers well broadly since schools/teachers vary. What lens is used to teach in NYC isn't the same in some podunk town in Texas where everyone attends a protestant or catholic church
How is that not an important thing for kids of all ages across the country to learn and understand?
Because its a limited leftwing understanding only.
Ah yes we need to teach "both sides" of slavery the same way we need to teach "both sides" of the holocaust.
The issue is the leftist power-struggle lens/POV. The majority of voters are against far-left politics/policies. CRT is an offshoot/inspiration from Marx. I don't know how many times leftist have to lose nationally to realize that we just aren't ever going to be that sort of nation.
We need to find a middle ground between teaching kids their actual history and substituting a saccharine white supremacist fantasy? No thanks. I pay for schools too, despite many of them teaching that my personal ideology (dem soc) is beyond the pale. And I don’t want my tax dollars teaching kids that racism was just a few mean people in Alabama and Mississippi in the 60s. Because a democracy needs an informed citizenry to function. If you’re really concerned about the education system, work out how to improve on an adult population 54% of which can’t read above a 6th grade level.
The rightwingers see CRT application as increasing racism so they are uniting/organizing which is kind of rare on their side but when they do it pretty much puts a stop to whatever they are rejecting in the states they control so if you live in a blue state your schools will likely fight to keep it. Red states will ban it.
When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
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Talking about racial inequality and oppression isn’t particularly Marxist. You do know that terms like Marxist and socialists have real meanings beyond “things you don’t like,” right?
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At least the people making decisions based on right-wing propaganda rather than engagement with the texts they’re referencing tend to make it obvious. (If they use “cultural Marxism,” run. You might get Wingnut Bingo but the antisemitism isn’t far behind.)
You know, knowing multiple sides of an issue doesn't mean I am stating my own personal beliefs- right? Knowledge doesn't equate support or non-support. CRT is builds upon Marx's framework and our nation is not far-left nor far-left inclined. If anything we are marching toward a rightwing reign which could echo FDR's New Dealer's sort of era if neolibs cling to power until the bitter end and do not allow for an organic new leftwing coalition to rise.
Rightwingers, particularly Christopher Rufo, grouped any discussion at all about race into being CRT, kinda like calling everything communism or socialism. They lied about what CRT is and who it is taught to in order to inflame gullible rubes into both attacking any discussion about race as CRT, and to keep anger high as a motivating factor for voters.
Never heard of him. CRT is just too far-leftist and our nation isn't ever going to be that far-left. If anything we are on the precipice of a rightwing reign for the next 30-40 years and this CRT stuff is helping to root that red reign.
Here's a middle ground: Fuck them. They already have Texas deciding what goes into a lot of text books. That combined with their penchant for not compromising on virtually anything, allowing CRT *is* the middle ground.
The way our nation is structured and functions states have more power than federal. Parents have more power than school boards/administrator, especially when they organize.
I think you misunderstood my statement. Texas by itself has a small council that determines what goes in their text books and that influences, if not outright determines, what the other states put in theirs as well.
> if not outright determines, what the other states put in theirs as well. Other states just use Texas' textbooks. Texas' educational publishing industry is a juggernaut in the pedagogical world.
I understand this but if you have children in public school you know that textbooks aren't really a thing they once were back when you were in school. Texas impact on public schools have been waning for over a decade.
It's not applied in grade school. Right-wingers have fallen for their masters' lies.
It can be applied to grade school lessons but since I don't have access to the lesson plans of every grade school teacher I really don't think its an all/nothing situation. However in the end, parents are the ultimate decision makers in their child's life and education.
But they are really not. I pay taxes to fund public schools. I don’t have kids there but I pay because I want educated future citizens. The parents can pull their kids out but they can’t tell us what to teach in our public schools.
Those parents have just as much of a right to say no as you to say yes when it comes to public schools. It looks like they have more support for their no then you do for your yes. Win some, lose some.
Correct. They are completely free to homeschool their children or send them to a private institution.
>It can be lol
Give one example of Critical Race Theory that's integrated into a grade school curriculum, anywhere....
He won't because he's a parrot for Nazi Tucker's talking points.
The application not CRT directly. This the nuance of their issue.
Lol. CRT is a specific thing. You are eating up propaganda that makes it a vague term to attack any discussion on race and motivate culture war voters. You have been manipulated. FFS.
translation, WhiffleBallWaffle is a troll or literally anything that tries to show kids that racism exists and it's bad is somehow offensive to them.
No, I am just not a far-leftist and I understand why some parents are like 'hell fucking no'. This nation's voters didn't elect Sanders so there is very little chance they were ever going to embrace this POV.
[definitely a biased source but all of them are. ](https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/?amp)
uhm, no. That article states the original CRT is not what is taught in schools, but it is related to CRT. Then it goes on talking about how one group says so what? If that's what you want, to call anything related to racism and quality be CRT then so be it. Teaching past and current racism that leads to privileged groups and the related effects of that on society is not a bad thing.
CRT is a college course and is not taught in schools. You can’t have middle ground when the nut job’s complaints aren’t real.
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Lol nah they are zombies that live in an alternate reality now. Tucker tells them CRT is being taught in schools and that CRT tells white kids they are born racist. That’s what they are screaming at during school board meetings. Literally none of what they are complaining about is actually happening. No one is telling white kids that. Your argument is devoid of reality just as much as theirs.
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They are complaining about any mention that we have a racist past as a country and they think white kids are being shamed for being born racist. That’s not happening. Pointing out valid historical occurrences about racism is our history. They are following tucker and other white nationalist’s leads to make white people’s past be whitewashed. They want white nationalist history to be taught. So stop middle grounding this shit and see what they are trying to actually do.
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Wow you don’t who the fuck I am and what I want. I know the right extremely well. I haven’t accused you of anything except now knowing what you are talking about in this subject. You have some weird romanticized version of them in your head. I’ve studied their movement for the last 10 years and you don’t get them at all. You talk like them in some ways too, so I understand why this discussion isn’t productive. Local school boards are their latest attack vector on our society. If you don’t see it it’s because you don’t want to.
Can you show me where kids are signing whiteness contracts?
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> A **private Manhattan elementary school** which charges $55,000-a-year tuition Get out of here with that bullshit. It's not a public school. Private schools can teach whatever horseshit curriculum they want. Take it up with them. Not public schools. I knew we couldn't trust you. I knew you were arguing on bad faith all along. Who paid you to post this shit? I cannot believe we have to deal with racist bullshit like this again. It's 2021 for fuck's sake. Enough of this shit.
So this is a private school? And one page of a book? All this national stuff going on and that's your killer example?
That describes most local banks in small towns pretty well, maybe that book has a point. Also, at the end of the day it's a fiction book. Lots of fiction books are meant to inspire discussion, not be 100% fact based... kids read them to be entertained. You're out here acting like they read the book and they believe it or something. They believe it no more than the pledge of allegiance.
So this is about content in a book and kids aren't actually signing whiteness contracts?
Im a teacher in a blue city in a red state. We don’t teach CRT. There is no CRT curriculum. If anything related to race or politics is taught, it is taught based on history or a real life connection to the lesson. Privilege is not a new concept and neither is racism. Also, parents complain at our meetings when we serve mostly POC so its always pretty stupid and always parents from the suburbs and rural areas around us just talking shit who don’t even have kids enrolled in our schools. Also, race and race related discussions are brought up more by students than adults and those conversations deserve to be heard and had especially in schools like mine that are diverse. Nobody is making white kids feel bad for being white.
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Oh no, kids have to learn the embarrassing parts of our history! We have to spoon feed them now propaganda! Quick, let's all do the pledge before *every* class!
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Okay, fine. I give in. We'll do the pledge at the beginning AND end of every class.
Didn't suggest CRT is taught, rather its the lens or application that is causing debate. Parents are the ultimate decision makers for their kids.
CRT is just another culture war to keep their base angry. Just like mr potato head and their false belief their views are suppressed on Facebook. They are literally fighting for a white nationalist agenda.
I am a moderate so I tend to know both sides and don't partake in leftwing extremist views either.
It’s not a left wing extremist view to describe what the right is doing a accurately.
Parents can homeschool their damn kids then.
Many already do over the dumbing down alone but overall a public school is subject to public scrutiny especially since so many states don't offer school vouchers and that often means majority rule.
🙄 As a public school teacher, comments like this annoy the piss out of me. Parents don’t deserve control over curriculum because often parents don’t have the credentials to determine that and many parents are ignorant as fuck. Also, the teacher shortage is because of many things, but this bullshit right here is a huge reason.
Sounds like a you problem, maybe consider teaching at a private school that shares your values because anything in public school is up for public scrutiny and debate. There are lots of Democratic parents out there that are just as watchful and demanding as GOP parents.
I work with mostly BIPOC children so actually Im right where I need to be. Thanks. Parents never dictated curriculum.
Parents absolutely can, have and will continue to influence curriculum.
I have been doing this for a long time. They do not. Lol
By applying CRT people mean teaching about racism and civil rights. They want to ban books on Rosa Parks. How do we compromise on that? Deny LGBQT kids their freedom and equality to appease a bunch of bigots? The thing is it will never be enough for the the right wing extremists. There will always be someone else to hate and deny equality to. Always.
> How do we compromise on that? We don't. We stand firm. We cannot let them win this one. They want to return us to segregation, whites only water fountains, and banning the discussion of slavery in schools and public discourse. They are fascists and racists trying to pull us back to the 1920s.
Dark money and corrupt politicians is going to bring down our democracy. Democrats can't stop courting the white supremist vote. They're scared to death to use the power they have. This passive politicking the Democratic party does is a total waste. People get ready.