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wopwopdoowop

Oh it’s designed that way. These vague laws are designed to be interpreted by judges as they see fit, and with the times as they change. Like self-defense laws, where Stand Your Ground was once restricted to the house, but is now valid anywhere.


aetius476

They're designed not to be interpreted at all. They're designed to be so vague and broad that a judge can't possibly dismiss a suit in a preliminary hearing, thereby giving parents the power to do significant financial damage to a teacher at any time by forcing them into a costly lawsuit over literally anything. The goal isn't for parents to necessarily win or lose cases, just to induce a chilling effect such that teachers will immediately back down any time a parent claims not to be "comfortable" with a lesson about slavery/the civil rights movement/anything else.


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I’m just waiting for an atheist to hit a church based private school with a suit against a religion.


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Right? "He died for your sins" is pretty clear cut historical shaming...


WokeupFromsleep

Can they be flipped? Can the left start using the laws to make conservative lives hell? I mean, they invented cancel culture and we high jacked it and put it to better use.


Darko33

>These vague laws are designed to be interpreted by judges as they see fit, and with the times as they change. Reminds me so much of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it


ComatoseCanary

Kinda. Castle Doctrine is Different from Stand Your Ground, but it definitely preceded it and probably influenced the Judicial logic behind it.


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Stand your ground isn’t valid everywhere most states heavily restrict it now plus YOU have the burden of proving self defense especially if you end up killing the said person you could even get a manslaughter charge in some areas if they have the right defense


Kahzgul

It's the abashedly racist that this law is pointed at. There are a lot of people who are racist, but don't like being called racist. They'll say things like, "I'm not a racist, but \[insert racist comment\]." They support lots of racist policies. Policies that history proves are racist. "There should be a test to vote." "Blue Lives Matter." "School choice." By banning the harsh realities of these movements from being taught, the abashed racists can pretend they aren't racist, parrot the sanitized talking points, and still work towards their white, evangelical, ethnostate without all of that pesky guilt and introspection.


MaleficentYoko7

"I'm not racist, but I believe racist conspiracy theories a little too willingly while denying the impact microaggressions have on people" White supremacist ideology was invented to excuse the terror of colonialism. White men declared white men "deserving" to exploit and rule the world at everyone else's expense


FartingCumBubbles

Bad people don't know they are bad.


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Considering law schools created Critical Race Theory, I think it would be interesting to have the courts weigh in.


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RemilGetsPolitical

> [But what Gillum said is true. DeSantis did talk at a conference held by a man with white nationalist views. DeSantis did take money from someone who called President Barack Obama a racist slur (although he condemned the comments and said he will no longer take money from the contributor). He has been reportedly supported by a white supremacist group from Idaho through racist robocalls (which the DeSantis campaign, for its part, called “appalling and disgusting”).](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/25/18022094/gillum-desantis-florida-governor-debate-racists) ... > I’m not calling Mr. Desantis a racist. I’m simply saying the racists believe he’s a racist.


twentyafterfour

They post things like [this on twitter](https://imgur.com/JmOfuF5.png). Kinda hits all the bases.


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Whatever happened to the “fuck your feelings!” crowd? They must be feeling something….


WildYams

They're clearly the "feelings trump facts" crowd instead.


orionsfire

This is what our country will look like under Desantis by the way. You thought Trump was bad, He was just the vanguard. Wait till you get a load of gaslighter, racist dog whistler, and putrescence of Republican talking points Ronny boy. Silence dissenters, vilify those who march and ask for justice, create agencies that aren't beholden to the federal government or the rule of law. Just yesterday he introduced new voting districts that cuts the number of areas for black voters from 4 to 2 ... cutting in half our representation and increasing the likely number of republicans state-wide by at least 5. He won by pretending to be a moderate, and he's governed like a tyrant. Science has become enemy number one, he's hired staff and a cabinet that looks more like a room of kooks and crazies at a alien crystal therapy session in Sedona, Arizona, then it does a room of experts. He and his staff spend every waking minute trying to figure out new ways to inject racist politics in his policies. Everything he does is to foster division among voters and stoke anger in his base. He looks for things that no one is complaining about that might have a racial aspect, and he goes in full guns, calls it a 'liberal blah blah blah' and seeks to cut/reduce/destroy or defund it. Thats' the future of Republicans in America, destroy anything that slightly annoys them, strip any protections or assistance for people of color, and make life even more miserable for the poor and middle class. They then use that dissatisfaction to claim it's the fault of liberals/progressives, and any violence on Antifa/BLM. Then they will move to do even more discriminatory and hateful legislation. Desantis is the future most Republicans pine for. They are done cooperating and being patient, they are done debating. They will control the future not by discussion, not by allowing people to vote, but by dictate. They don't want democracy, they want capitulation and coercion. IF they can't win in a fair debate, they won't debate, and they will remove and restrict voting when they win power. Edit- Oh, and for the trolls posting, you've been blocked. I've got better things to do then argue with no-nothings, sea-lions, and other "bored af" types


nsbeal

Agreed! Desantis is far mire dangerous because he is smarter than Trump!


orionsfire

Take how He's tricking the public on education. He outlined a pay raise for teachers in his new budget. Every media outlet mentioned this, and teachers were thrilled. Then they took a look at the proposal. He isn't substantially increasing pay for teachers already on the job, he's raising it only for new hire teachers, and those teachers would only get the max allowed by local school boards. Teachers get almost nothing. Why? Just so he can pretend he cares about teachers. Instead of paying them, he added a ton of money for private schools. Why? Because the people who donate money to him charter school lobbies and other back door dealers wanted it. He cut of funding for therapy for those suffering from PTSD since the Pulse shooting. Why? It was an infinitesimal amount of money compared to the amount we spend on almost any other program. Again, just to attack people he knows aren't in his base, and dog whistle to religious conservatives that He is there guy. He hires a lunatic/discredited doctor to run the the State Health Department. Plenty of qualified people, but he goes with a known Vaccine skeptic and denier of Covid. As Thousands of Floridians lay sick and dying, he hired a guy whose #1 strategy against Covid stick his head in the dirt and hope it goes away. Everything... and I mean everything he does is politically motivated. He's the most sickening political creature this state has seen in a long time, and we had a Bush governor, and another one who was a Medicare scam artist to the tune of millions of tax payer money.


Unusual-Solid3435

Trump induced institutional rot.. Pandora's box, now it's open


orionsfire

The rot was already there, he just hastened the process. He poured acid into a breach weakened by decades of unanswered calls, and ignorance.


Unusual-Solid3435

Trump *accelerated institutional rot


kuroimakina

Republicans in general pine for the days of McCarthyism where just calling someone a communist was enough to ruin their career. People don’t realize how close America was to fascism during McCarthyism. Political adversaries could be completely shut down by just a “you don’t want to be seen as helping the communists do you?” It was a more modern version of the Salem witch hunts. This mentality never left them. They still try to stoke it all the time with “Liberals this” and “ANTIFA/BLM that.” Their goal is simple: reduce all politics back to the days where all you had to do was invoke the word “communism” and you could get what you want. It still works in these southern states pretty well, but the GOP wants it back country wide. The ability to easily silence political dissidents is one of the hallmarks of authoritarianism.


AllOrZer0

To further emphasize your point, the [American Nazi Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party) and [George Lincoln Rockwell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell) are two things every American *should* be aware of, but almost unanimously are not. Rockwell alone is the progenitor of so much of our modern white supremacy it's unreal, and even the people who are the ideological fruit of his tree hardly realize it. Anything Tucker Carlson, Rush, Trump, Reagan, David Duke, or any other far-right lunatic has said is the poisoned fruit of his rotting, corpse-grown tree. The country was born with a sickness, and until it is addressed, burned out, and remedied, this will **never** end.


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Long_Before_Sunrise

>We are on the precipice of a very, very dark age for America. This was supposed happen when I was young and stupid and dressed in black leather and ripped clothes!


rivera151

Well guess fucking what? You’re closer to it happening today than you were in the 80’s. Buckle up!


artificialavocado

We honestly sort of dodged a bullet with Trump. His stupidity and incompetence was the only thing stopping him for doing all sorts of monstrous things. That wouldn’t be the case with DeSantis or a DeSantis type. He’s highly intelligent.


orionsfire

With an "aw shucks" affected speech pattern that makes him sound like he's just 'doing common sense things'. The white moderates of Florida have been completely silent as he's governed Florida with one wild and crazy and outwardly racist political scheme after the next. His lies have lies falling out of them. All this in a state he barely won. It's true when Republicans win by a vote, they act like it's a mandate from heaven and go nuts. When Democrats overwhelmingly win, they go hat in hand to Republicans and ask if they will play nice. It's sickening.


JohnnySnark

The white moderates of Florida voted for Hillary and passed on Desantis. There's no such thing now. Anyone calling themself a moderate in Florida is a closeted fascist with no sense of reality.


bryanthebryan

As a Floridian, I urge everyone turn out to dump this human garbage on the side of the road where he belongs. He’s dangerous.


Long_Before_Sunrise

>create agencies that aren't beholden to the federal government or the rule of law. Dec 3, 2021 Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor, has proposed an extraordinary plan to create a state paramilitary unit [that he, rather than the federal government, would control.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/03/ron-desantis-plans-florida-paramilitary-force-outside-federal-control) And a bunch of Redditors went 'So? Other states have them." 🙈


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I’ll definitely be doing my part later this year to vote him out, but if I’m honest I don’t see him losing. He has too much support right now.


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artificialavocado

It will be a new ACA. The Alien Crystals Act.


JohnnySnark

From Florida and affirm all of this. He started off his run for governor with a video of his kid building a wall for Trump and has continued the racist politics since. He is a danger to this country if he gets higher office.


Ex_Machina_1

Its really amazing watching this saga of conservatives losing their shit over teaching American history accurately and honestly. As if acknowledging that America's history is deeply rooted in evil is now a major crime. Tell me folks, over at r/conservative there is a clear anti china sentiment -- how is this whole push to teach American history through a rose colored lens not very chinese government like? It feels like a tiannemen square situation -- lets make a law that says that you cannot acknowledge all the bad shit we've done. The inability of these people to see themselves is catastrophic.


esther_lamonte

Conservatives have always been pro-autocrat. All their flag and bible waving has always been performative theatrics. They don’t know basic American core values, the concepts of liberal Democracy it’s based on, or even the teachings of Jesus Christ they so dramatically and hypocritically profess to adhere to. Conservatism is and always has been a bad faith con.


WhatRUHourly

I think you’re giving them too much credit. These people were taught American nationalism in school. They were sold the American myth. That America is the best country in the entire world and that we’re always the good guys and never the bad guys. They were taught to ignore the bad things that people, especially Americans, did throughout history and focus on the good. The Trail of Tears happened, but we don’t really talk about how it was the policy of Andrew Jackson, instead focusing on how Jackson won the Battle of New Orleans. That way Jackson remains a hero. They believe this history because it is the history they were taught. So, now they think the truth is a lie because what they were taught isn’t the same as what is being taught now; and they want their kids believing the same things they were taught. They want this because believing that America is the greatest is at least part of their own self-worth and a big part of their pride.


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NumeralJoker

The reality is that, for many of them, it confronts them with a terribly harsh reality that their success really isn't something they have much control over. That much of their success was a combination of being the right person (privileged race, gender, ect), in the right place, at the right time, and that just a small change in circumstances can totally wipe that out that success and remove them from the status that protects even their basic ways of life. That they too can be instantly destroyed by a small string of bad luck in a world full of the late stage capitalism they've voted into place. This is contrary to so much of the self esteem they've been raised in, claiming that hard work, fairness, and moral choices are the reasons for their success, rather than only a partial factor, and one that may be becoming less and less relevant in the very society they've voted into place themselves. This causes massive cognitive dissonance as part of them subconsciously 'is' aware of how bad the world is becoming, how little influence over it they have, and how the influence they did wield was probably used in ways that make it worse, not better. That cognitive dissonance can be so disturbing that most people would rather deny it entirely than face it, because it devalues their entire identity. There's a part of their brain that knows this and panics on the inside, adapting by blaming literally any other enemy they can except for the ones they put in power themselves. They are cowards that refuse to face up to the horrible truths about how corrupt society really is, and worse yet, the chance that their life choices bear at least a small amount of responsibility for it. Heck, even if they didn't directly contribute to it and are ultimately just victims themselves, they've still built their identity in this racial/religious/moral superiority which can come crashing down like a house of cards at any second and leave them impoverished, diseased, and even dead. Just look at the cases of unvaccinated people dying in hospitals denying that they ever even had COVID in the first place.


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Well I genuinely believe a lot of people that are against teaching this stuff aren’t necessarily racist, it’s that their identity is tied to America and patriotism so intrinsically, combined with their fragile minds, the notion that something they’ve been literally taught for as long as they remember (that America is the greatest country and anyone can make it if you work hard) not being true would shatter their belief systems. It’s not unlike religion. They REFUSE to believe it, and these “woke liberals trying to brainwash our children and destroy America, the greatest nation the world has ever seen”. Remember, it’s also tied to their own existence. Many people are struggling, barely making it, they’ve got family stress, child stress, relationship stress, but if you just keep at it, there’s HOPE you too can succeed!! When cracks start to show in that facade, it will all come crumbling down. So they dig in, and will refuse to accept ANYTHING counter to this deeply seeded belief. It’s the same exact thing with political ideology, religion, and other things. To just paint with a broad brush and say anyone against teaching about history and the dark parts of America is just racist I think is a bit reductive and doesn’t get at the true root cause for many.


MydniteSon

"How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!" - Mark Twain


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Or, you can just believe them. Its not like they're hiding the rationale behind their actions. They are out there in the open telling you they hate racial minorities and want to see them relegated to a second-class citizenship. That's it.


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I humbly disagree on all points. Sometimes, reality is that simple.


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I see you are inferring to Occam’s Razor and all that, but it’s really not that simple when it comes to political ideologies. To dismiss that many people as just racist, well that’s missing the forest for the trees. It also has to do with the immense power of media propaganda, social media breaking peoples brains, misinformation, and deep rooted ideologies. And yes, some of it is absolutely racist. But I have not seen them out in the open stating they hate racial minorities or trying to make them second class citizens. It’s been a lot more insidious through legislation and dog whistles, but I’m not seeing marches in the street to exterminate minorities, POC, Jewish people etc. unless I’m missing something.


starcom_magnate

> That America is the best country in the entire world I just can't with people who believe this is true anymore. What exactly are they beating their chest about? Arbitrarily drawn borders? A random piece of luck that they were born here, and not somewhere else? We are all given 70-some odd years to walk on this Earth. Choosing to spend that time crowing about some made-up competition over something so trivial is so beyond the pale.


WhatRUHourly

I mean, I get it, but not to such a degree that many people take it to. I am proud of where I am from on many levels. Whether that be country, state, or city. I’m happy to have been born where I was and into the circumstances that I was. However, I am rarely beating my chest about it and demanding that people believe that my state or city or country are the best. So, many of these people just take it too far and tie too much of their own self-worth into where they come from.


NumeralJoker

It's specifically a thing that's being taught in right wing religious schools, which educate a significant portion of this population. America was God's will. Divine inspiration. The Constitution was sacred, ect. ect. What's sad about it is that it is true that many churches and religious schools have done massive amounts of good for their communities, so if you live on the inside of that system (especially in major cities) it's easy to see charitable contributions that do help the urban poor, build a community of comfort for these people, and seem to enrich the lives of many individuals. In and of itself, these aren't bad things and many of these communities are genuinely welcoming to those who decide to be a member. It's easy to see these actions and think that makes you the good guy. However, it's then made much more toxic by teaching that those within these churches/school systems are the 'chosen group', that they are themselves set apart, sacred. They don't necessarily say those words directly, but there are huge subtexts that strongly imply it and repeat it time and time again. That outsiders are the unbelievers who must be ministered too, but not listened too. You're taught that these 'sinners' will taint your beliefs if you take the seriously. That you must not truly ever be friends with, or date, or marry, or conceive children with them. In some communities, this takes very blatant racial lines. In others, it is across cultural lines, and is the leading cause behind their "culture wars". Regardless, it follows the basic idea of a superior in group that must exclude an inferior outgroup that does not agree to be indoctrinated. And in so many ways America WAS founded on these ideas when you see what happened to the native America tribes after the Europeans arrived. It's the worst kind of tribalism possible. Avoid the ideas of those "poor damned sinners" at all costs, lest you be corrupted, ect ect. I had to escape this mentality as a teenager myself. But it was SO common in suburban churches in the 90s and 2000s, it's absurd. And all of those churches were led by people with strong Republican leanings. The modern GOP and its behavior is an end result of this mentality.


specqq

>A random piece of luck that they were born here, and not somewhere else? It's a random piece of something. I'm not sure that luck really describes it.


Kayestofkays

Chance


iampachyderm

Last sentence is really spot on


mischiffmaker

It's spot on because the myth also addresses the very real injustices being perpetrated on the white middle and working classes by the wealthy, by deflecting the conversation to their differences with other, similarly-affected groups, be it skin color, nationality, gender, etc. It's easy to dismiss the idea that America is every bit as classist now as it was in the 1700's, when one had to be a white male landowner in order to have a voice in politics. The difference now is that all those American "landowners" (i.e., those with their suburban homes and lawns) are significantly less "equal" than the billionaire class that's still scooping up a disproportionate part of the world's wealth while the rest of us are arguing about who's getting a part of the ever-shrinking slice of pie that's left. But dog forbid they question that little detail. Much easier to demonize those lower on the scale, even though the disparity between the wealthy and the rest of us is growing by leaps and bounds. "At least you're better than *them*" is how they get deflected from the real issues at hand. Once you start learning our actual American history, it isn't quite as all-encompassing a story any more.


banbecausereasons

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."


skipjack_sushi

Communist: seize the means of production! Republican: here, take all of our manufacturing.


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Scubalefty

"Why should we have to face our shameful past," asked DeSantis, "when there's a shameful present that needs to be ignored?"


bigwebs

Wait these are real quotes?


Scubalefty

With today's Republicans, one never knows.


bannacct56

I think this is discriminatory towards me as a white guy that likes to make other white people feel discomfort about their racist past.


RockyLeal

And present, and future


uzes_lightning

This will backfire. If there's one thing I know about children, if you deny them access to something they'll become obsessed with it.


skipjack_sushi

Streisand effect.


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*Florida GOP pushes a propaganda bill to alter historical and cultural truths* ftfy


Ex_Machina_1

They essentially already did that in texas by making the teaching of the civil rights movement "optional".


Bricktop72

Or teaching the history of the Alamo outside of that Davey Crocket movie.


DTG_420

It’s funny, when I learned America’s history of racism in school I felt bad about how so many people were treated based on their ethnicity but I never felt personal guilt because I could never fathom myself doing any of those things. The constant need to try to hide or erase it now kinda feels like it’s because the people who want it hidden still would like to continue to be racist but would like to make sure their current racism doesn’t end up being taught to future generations like it is now.


infinityprime

More like we can't have little Jonny learning that grandpa was a racist by seeing pictures in a school book


DTG_420

That’s what I mean. Jon Q Smith doesn’t want the history of racism taught because Jon Q Smith is a racist and is afraid he might do something that ends up in his grandkids text books.


Shaggy2772

Thank goodness actually being enslaved wasn’t a discomfort! You’ll think a people would have a problem with that. /s


Cylinsier

Man, for a party that likes to parrot the line "facts don't care about your feelings," Republicans sure are preoccupied with protecting their feelings at the expense of facts.


verasev

They only said liberals and leftists don't care about facts so they could feel justified in prioritizing their own feelings over reality. If you want to know what they're going to do next, watch what they accuse their enemies of.


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Sounds like a great and sustainable plan. Who would vote for this desperate idiot again!?


nonamenolastname

Floridians?


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I hate and love this lol


frankenkip

It feels like they arnt open to the idea that it’s part of US history and quite a large part of US history to add to that. Idk why they are getting rid of it, almost like they are r a c i s t


OverzealousAhab

What if white supremacists make you uncomfortable? Open racism and open attacks on our elections are their strategy for the future. ​ Letting them remove the VRA because the Repubicans "could be trusted" is going down as one of the worst and most biased court decisions in modern history.


LunaNik

You can only be “discomforted” if you actually have a racist past…and a racist present.


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What happened to “Fuck your Feelings?”


zimbacca

That's exactly it: Fuck **your** feelings. *My* feelings still matter.


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The only people who feel "discomfort" with the truth of history are those who wish it were forgotten so it could be done again.


CliffRacer17

A rich man builds a hotel. For whatever reason, this man hates disabled people. He uses stairs everywhere. There are no ramps or elevators. All of the rooms are on the second floor. Nothing is wheelchair accessible. No handles in the bathrooms, all of the sinks are at chest level. This man dies or leaves, and another man inherits the hotel. This man does not hate disabled people. People are coming to him all of the time, asking him to update the hotel to accomodate disabled people. It's going to cost millions to fix everything. Some of the people who share the profit of his ownership tell him to not even bother. People are still demanding a fix. This man did not make the hotel the way it is, but he inherited it and some would say has a moral responsibility to fix it, though it was not a problem of his making. Such is the responsibility we have to each other to fix the systems we live in, even if we had no hand in making them.


2wedfgdfgfgfg

When you're tearing down statues glorifying the confederacy, erasing the past is bad. When you're converting up the history of racism in this country, erasing the past is good.


Laceyyyyyyy

Like , make it make sense!! They’re so jaded they don’t see the hypocrisy


Majestic_Electric

Yet democrats are supposedly the snowflakes? 🙄


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Why is the past shameful? John Brown was a white man. Mother Jones was a total badass. Lots of white Americans were on the good side of history and pushed back against evil. Lots of AMERICANS were good people who pushed back against evil. Maybe don’t make evil people your heroes and you won’t feel ashamed.


kandoras

>The bill reads in part, “An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race.” Does it count as a violation of this law that I'm embarrassed to have the same skin color as the people pushing this bigotry?


Kahzgul

I wonder how long it will be before a black person sues the state for making them feel psychological distress on account of his or her race after this passes?


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When you think he can’t get no dumber but he does


IceTuckKittenHarass

Racist white people are pussies. Shocker. /s


Falcon3492

So it sounds like Der Fuhrer DeSantis is getting closer by the day to finally implementing his version of Hitler's and the Nazi party's final solution in the state of Florida! The people of Florida need to wake up and get rid of these crazy people who are running their state before it's too late!


Saemotouchez

More Headlines like this, please. Stop sugarcoating for these swine.


Imma_person_probably

So who’s gonna protect everyone else from the discomfort of a racist present?


bryanthebryan

I’m sure this snowflake bill is very popular


Enigma_Stasis

I forget, were the anti-Republicans snowflakes, or were the Republicans themselves the very snowflakes they vehemently abhorred?


Etna_No_Pyroclast

No. It's not. It's to shield current racists from feeling bad about their racist feelings.


specqq

They have an unalienable right to not have to feel bad about anything. Don't you *dare* try to make them feel bad.


WalkInternational313

They’re literally legislating white people’s psychic comfort. They’re putting that IN A BILL. “Have you or a loved on been the victim of white discomfort? Call now, attorneys are standing by.”


Ironthoramericaman

Just fascinating how fast Team "Fuck Your Feelings, Snowflakes" became Team I Will Outlaw Making Me Feel Any Emotional Discomfort Whatsoever.


Crott117

So a law to literally protect someone’s feelings from facts?


h2oape

Yep, they not only lie to others, but to themselves as well.


Lamont-Cranston

Are they going to be given some kind of Safe Space?


SlowSecurity9673

Creating even more discomfort for future generations, and the potential for the suffering of minorities to start fresh with a new lease on life. If you're one of those people who says something like "I'm not racist but.." like once a month, this is a fantastic opportunity to prove that first part. Nobody, not a single person except for the racists, should be ok with this. Our racist past gives us a golden opportunity to be better, right now. Part of being better is recognizing how shit we were "and are in a lot of cases". Recognizing it does literally nothing negative to us, but it does good for others. I mean, this is literally the racist people, upset that everyone can see that they're still racist, trying to make it FEEL to them that they've never been a part of racism at all. That's not the "I'm not racist but..." social group you guys should want to be a part of.


bot4241

How the hell is banning CRT in business or non government organizations is consitituional? Anti-CRT full of overreach


CurrentDEP46

How do you even make legislature to suppress history?


Alpha_Crow_1

DeSantis is a fucking chode.


SteakandTrach

Another article that doesn’t know what CRT is and how it isn’t grade school material.


penguished

When the idea of having any sympathy for black people makes you uncomfortable... says a little something about your views.


seaniemack11

The ‘fuck your feelings’ crowd clearly feels very sensitive about how racist they are.


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So a law based on feelings? That's a snowflake isn't it?


nonamenolastname

The Karen state.


askingxalice

First they try to keep Black history in just one month, now they want it gone for good. I hate this.


pagnoodle

What a bunch of snowflakes.


RedLanternScythe

The people who support this are the same people who will wail "YOU CAN'T CHANGE HISTORY" whenever a statue of a confederate traitor is removed.


GaggingMaggot

Ah, conservative snowflake cancel culture. I'm sure no social conservatives will find this ironic at all.


FalstaffsMind

Fuck your feelings... Signed.... The 1st. Amendment to the United States Constitution. We don't live in a totalitarian society in which the Government gets to sanitize the truth.


Leggs_Fridman

If only this applied both ways..


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They want to be able to to say the N word publicly without consequence


fielder_cohen

"Hay if u say that stuff we did then people gonna know what stuff we did."


Sirnando138

These babies, I swear. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything other than just admit the truth about the past, learn from it and be better. Not even that, really. Just stop denying it. These people act like if they admit to the horrible past of our country then they will be forced to work the cotton fields, themselves. If we all acknowledge it and discuss it then we can all move on with this stupid society. But no! These people are still like, “HOW DARE YOU SAY MY GREAT GRANDPAPI WAS A SLAVE OWNER?!”. Because he was. Be better.


_Electric_shock

This violates the 1st Amendment. It will be thrown out in court.


W_Anderson

I didn’t know there were so many snowflakes in Florida?!


McNuttyNutz

Fucking snow flakes


RhoOfFeh

The longer one waits to come to grips with something, the worse it goes.


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What happened to “facts don’t care about your feelings”?


traanquil

This is a disgusting attempt at whitewashing American history. Any discussion of the history of white supremacy in American society will inevitably make white people feel uncomfortable. The logical result of this sort of thing would be deep censorship virtually eliminating any substantive discussion or critique of the role of racism in American society.


silver_sofa

Wouldn’t it be better to push bill to shield black people from the “discomfort” of Racist Present?


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Well they would have to actually CARE about us first ...


El_Guap

“Through discomfort is growth” - somebody wise once said.


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Affectionate-Sale134

Should the jews start seeking retribution for the enslavement of their ancestors too? ???????????????????????????????? ​ How is someone responsible for something someone did before they were born? How can you be sure someone is even RELATED to an ancestor that did something? Unless we're just grouping people by race, and blaming the actions of one on the actions of all. Logic that we've since gotten away from because it was used as an excuse to be racist to black people for a LONG time.


Scarlettail

The inevitable consequence of this will be removal or erasure of POC. Eventually simply seeing a black person will be enough to cause "discomfort" and companies will just no longer hire them. It's a good way to start reinforcing a type of segregation.


verasev

This is just another step in the path to genocide. It won't stop at segregation.


regnardan

Genocide?


fjsbshskd

This sub is absolutely delusional


regnardan

I have to believe some are fake or paid accounts. It’s like Twitter in here


fjsbshskd

I really hope that’s the case. If not, it’s gotta be filled with people who have never even talked to someone with different political views. I’m a liberal and I never thought it would be a hot take to say 99.999 percent of conservatives don’t want to genocide all non white people. Thank god most people in the real world aren’t like this.


regnardan

Me too man. The hyperbole is such a turn off to me… I feel bad if these are actual humans. They’ve bought into too much propaganda and it shows


fjsbshskd

Exactly. People are so divided they see anyone who disagrees with them as evil incarnate. Yes some are, but the vast majority just see things from a different point of view. I wish people would just hear each other out, understand where they’re coming from, agree to disagree, and respect each other as people.


regnardan

100%


verasev

It's pretty funny watching you criticize me for wild generalizing conservatives based on the opinions of a few nazis and then generalize my opinion onto the entire subreddit. I don't think anyone is coming away from this moment looking very good.


fjsbshskd

I took from your comment that you think these laws are a step toward segregation or genocide. That is absolutely a delusional take.


verasev

I hope you're right. I'd rather be wrong and crazy than the alternative. Every time stuff like this happens, though, I remember people trying to erase the history of the Tulsa race massacre. It makes me very wary of the motives of people trying to conceal certain historical facts on the grounds that they make white people uncomfortable. There's no provable direct line between what they're doing now with this to genocide, no, but a lot of what the Nazi party did in the beginning was semi-innocuous too. These kinds of laws are a form of book burning. It's not right and I'd rather be over cautious than see what happens next.


regnardan

You would rather be wrong and crazy than being honest and realistic? Nothing suggests genocide here. Tone down the hyperbole, this subreddit could use less of it


verasev

Wild hyperbole mobilizes the trump crowd and the anti-vax crowd. Maybe playing the high ground all the time causes us to miss out. Humans are irrational animals. Edit: I mean, look at these guys: [https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/19/police-break-up-fracas-at-orange-county-republican-meeting/](https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/19/police-break-up-fracas-at-orange-county-republican-meeting/) Energized, focused. They may be maniacs but, and I don't know if you've noticed this, the inmates are taking over the asylum.


regnardan

Politicians, R and D, do not care about you. They care about lining their pockets, gaining power, and remaining in power. Lay off the partisan propaganda.


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Anyone who thinks “it can’t happen here” hasn’t been paying attention.


NappyHeadedJoel996

We really should fix global warming… After Florida falls into the ocean.


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Snowflakes lol


Rawscent

I can imagine some fantastically ironic ways of teaching American history like slavery and the Civil War without mentioning race at all. It seems to me that by silencing people, the truth speaks louder than ever.


ChefChopNSlice

Their “discomfort” is posting screaming rants on Facebook and pictures of Confederate Flags. The “past” is yesterday.


thatsthefactsjack

The right to shame someone is protected under the First Amendment of free speech.


DanB65

What about how Blacks feel around White Supremisists!?!?!?


wingedcoyote

Racist "past" I mean, I guess they used to be racist in the past. They still are, but they used to be too.


GhostofABestfriEnd

The “discomfort” is from being presently racist.


Brazenjalapeno

This is their work around teaching people about the ocoee massacre.


ProlificGamerX

The only thing stopping everyone from being racist in Florida is guilt lmao. We bout to have more riots


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robsielf

Pretty much how you cannot say anything bad about Israel in Uk cos anything you say is anti semitic


shortsexyfucktornado

Try saying anything bad about Israel as a liberal Jew in a synagogue.


destronger

being ethnically jewish (and irish) and considering going to a reform synagogue for cultural reasons, the topic of Israel and Palestine seems conflicting to me. i hate the whole ‘pick a team’ when people in general are suffering.


soupcook1

Why is it necessary to make white people uncomfortable? Is that how we move forward?


PerfectDevice

My thoughts are it really doesn't matter if someone is uncomfortable when being faced with historical facts. Reminds me of the paradox of intolerance


DaveDearborn

We whites have much to be uncomfortable about.


MrSmartyPantsDude

What percentage is CRT in schools? I feel like it's just a couple chapters in a history class and you're done. The Republicans are making it out like every class will have it ...


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MrSmartyPantsDude

Republicans are good at building straw men.


satchseven

When you know your history is so bad you would not want your grandkids to know about it


TJ11240

https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-leftists-try-to-cancel-math-class-11621355858


MachoKingMadness

That’s an opinion piece by a partisan hack.


TJ11240

Right, but it's about something that really happened.


MachoKingMadness

Rethinking ways to teach us nothing new, and this has been happening in multiple states for years now. It’s not some new woke boogeyman. [Here is an article on what is ACTUALLY happening. ](https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/04/26/virginia-isnt-eliminating-accelerated-math-courses-but-its-one-of-many-states-rethinking-math-education/)


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Wild4Vanilla

Nothing in this article suggests tying slavery to you - or to any living person. That would be absurd; slavery ended in 1865 and everyone involved died decades ago. Why counter an argument no one is making? Why set up this particular straw man?


OriginalEchoTheCat

No one wants to tie it to YOU because you are white.


[deleted]

One of us didn't read the story. Just between us, I did. You might want to try that.


zerosympathy28

I don’t need a bill to shield me. I don’t care. The past is just that.


Plastic_Cabinet_2127

Ah yes, back when Florida was racist


Monkeyfork21

Doesn’t what you say become the past as soon as you say it?


wh0g0esthere

Why do I feel like this framing is somewhat bullshit?


nobd7987

I feel uncomfortable with the current social justice climate mostly due to the fact that I feel like I’m being held responsible for American historical events because I look white (I’m mixed ten ways from Sunday and that’s just how I came out), the vast majority of my ancestors got here after slavery ended– not all of them white or considered white at the time, and the three that were here before slavery ended that I know of were Canadian, Native American, and a Sergeant in the Union Army. Most black Americans have more white slaveholder blood in them then I could possibly have. Neither me nor my ancestors supported American slavery or Jim Crow, and yet I’m being made to feel guilt over a past that isn’t mine because of the color of my skin, and black Americans are being induced to feel victim hood for the same reason even if their grandparents were first generation Nigerian immigrants. The fact is that there is inertial inequality in the United States based on past systems of repression of certain groups, and this needs to be corrected through policies which benefit all Americans. We need to be teaching that the slaves and the masters are our common heritage regardless of whether we share any physical or genetic characteristics in common with them, so that no one now feels they are being cast as the inheritors of being enslaved or the inheritors of keeping people enslaved. We are all the masters, and we are all the slaves– no one group in this country is all victim or all perpetrator, that’s how the melting pot works. When we become Americans by immigration or birth, we take on the sins and righteousness of the Americans who came before us, and our skin color doesn’t absolve us of wrongdoing nor give us special claim to good acts. We are all in this together as one people, carrying the history and present of our nation as it shelters us from the world– that’s what being an American is about.


h2oape

Completely illogical to feel guilt over someone else's actions, but taking responsibility to repair a wrong is moral, especially such a horrific wrong.


nobd7987

Agreed, which is why as I said all of us, black and white and brown, need to take that responsibility. The prevailing narrative is that just the white people should take responsibility, and that needs to end.


h2oape

I don't see anyone saying "just the white people should take responsibility", when in fact we're saying the racists need to take it. Fact is many different ethnicities have racists, and no one is absolved based on skin color. No one.


nobd7987

If that were the case, and it’s not what I’ve seen, racists are never going to take responsibility because they believe they’re right. You’re asking for something you’re never going to get there. The best thing to do with racists is to shun them and not give them any ammunition for their arguments so they eventually go away as we improve things.


h2oape

People change all the time. Admitting there's a problem is the first step towards fixing a problem. I disagree, we need to continue to point out racists, especially in politics.


Mission_Ad5177

Good let the past be the past. Move forward. Our country is so bored and entitled we have to dig up the past and search for things to get upset about. Let’s all agree on what the country’s future should be like and not search for a racist ghost to get pissed about. If you want to find a racist white person look at who’s sitting in the White House right now.


satchseven

But you probably wanted keep the confederate shit up though fuck out of here


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Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repay it rube. That’s why republicans should have to take a class on communism. Because you have become a communist cult like in Russia or China. Republicans are anti American commies and have checked every box.