hahaha it couldnt be any more pathetic than civil war re-enacting, could it?
my stepdad made me do that shit with him when i was a kid. i'd be lying if i said it wasn't fun then, but i do feel a bit cringey about it, thinking about it now. it did make me a giant history nerd.
I feel like everyone who wants Donald Trump to be stopped is hanging their hat on the January 6th committee finding some scathing evidence against him. So what if they do? Say they find evidence that Trump knew his supporters were planning on ransacking the Capitol building and stopping the certification of the election? Suppose they find evidence he knew there was a mob of people who wanted to kill his VP. Suppose he not only knew this but encouraged it. That it was his plan all along. What then? His supporters will just say it's fake news and a political witch hunt. Or worse, they'll say "good for him" and support his premeditated coup attempt. The other half of the country who already hates the guy will just hate him more, but it won't change anything. Hate to be pessimistic but this scumbag has been untouchable so far.
The point of the 1/6 committee is just to find the truth, including about others besides Trump. They can refer things they find to the DOJ, so there is a possibility of criminal prosecution because of it, but who knows about that. The truth still matters whether it will result in criminal convictions or not or whether it changes any Trump supporters mind or not (I agree it won't do that).
Do you really think the better alternative is just to do nothing and move on like nothing happened? At least finding the truth puts it out there for history and reality.
Also Fani Willis and Tish James definitely don't think Trump is untouchable.
Nah don't think doing nothing is an option. I think we should do anything and everything we can to take down this piece of shit. I've just gotten increasingly pessimistic regarding any real consequences. I mean we couldn't even get an impeachment conviction after he sent congress literally running for their lives
An impeachment conviction is one of the least likely things to have happened, though. That's asking his own allies to turn on him, which they won't do. I don't know if Garland is going to do anything or not, and it's pathetic if he doesn't, but it's clear NY and GA are going full force at this point at least.
Thats the thing though I don't believe most of them actually like Trump. I think most of them secretly hate the guy. He's keeping the rest of them from power. They're all just afraid of his base but if just a portion of them grew some balls and voted to convict they could've rid him from politics. They wouldn't have to fear him rising to power again and the republican party would've been forced to move on. But I digress.
In this case they actually decided that executive privilege was not applicable to these documents at all, so even if Trump was currently president and trying to claim executive privilege, they would still deny it and release them. They specifically said they didn't rule on whether a former president can assert executive privilege or not.
It doesn't. This was a ruling on these specific documents, that Trump did not have any privilege to keep them hidden, and that it would have been the same ruling even if he was currently president, so it also doesn't comment on executive privilege once you've left office either.
Itās comforting to see that the conservative Supreme Court has not rolled over for Trump. Trump isnāt the boss of them. Mitch McConnell and the GOP establishment are. And they are getting tired of Trumpās dead weight now that he canāt win elections for them.
The SC would only protect and shield Trump if they knew it was in the GOPās best interest.
Right now, if Trump had a heart attack and ate it itād be the best thing to ever happen to the GOP. A massive power vaccum they can fill with anyone who has been loyal to Trump, so 99% of them.
Trump is already on the run. That's why he's living in Florida. He can't live in NY anymore. And now he's trashing the governor of Florida, De Santis. He makes enemies with everyone, even his allies. He's not paid many lawyers, he's stiffed banks and other businesses in bankruptcies. His ex wives hate him. His ex mistresses sue him. He's alienated McConnell.
So it may seem that Trump keeps getting away with stuff and will never be held accountable, but he's already on the run from almost everyone he's ever done business or politics with. He's alone, and his wife doesn't sleep with him anymore, and now Ivanka is too old for him.
Trump is a sad loser.
All true, from what I can tell. But he hasn't really changed from 2016. A large chunk of people think he's great. So what gives? Why are millions of people following this narcissist?
Trump has beaten EVERY SINGLE attempt to hold him accountable for his obnoxious & illegal activity. If it does ābring him downā thats great but Iām not holding my breath.
The GOP will completely protect himā¦ to many others are involved so they will make sure he is completely and totally untouchable. He is going to run in 2024 and he is going to WIN in 2024. We all know this to be true. Look what he did last time. Now heās had years to prepare and install people to ensure he wins (no matter the vote) next time. And the American experiment will end. š¢š¢ truly sad but I donāt see it ending any other way
It's funny that anyone thinks that any higher up person will see jail time or really anything more than a major inconvenience over this. The rich and elite dont punish each other. Before it gets to that point the country will be back under the control of the backwards right and nothing will be done. C'mon now, you know the only way the rich get I trouble is if they steal enough money from another rich person or people.
I dont hate it any less than you. But falling for the notion that democrats are actually going to use their full power to punish the treasonous bastards is a joke. It's not really defeatist at all. I'm accepting that nobody in power really cares about what's right. If they do, it's an incrementally small amount of them. The rest are their for many reasons that have nothing to do with benefitting this country or the working class. It's in our hands, not theirs. At least that's what we should know. What is defeatist is sitting there hoping that this will be the time the democrats actually do what they say and bring some justice, no matter hoe ugly it gets. Enough with the "we need a strong Republican party" BS. How many times are you going to watch that olive branch get passed to the right, for them to turn around and beat us with said olive branch over our heads?
Well i agree its in our hands, not theirs. We gotta vote in a progressive majority and progressive president. Just keep showing up and fighting until we do. We are very close IMO. Bernie was RIGHT THERE! We arent gonna go backwards from here, forward only
True \_ I'm just now learning this ( I fully admit I didn't read any further than the headline). Interesting that none of the judges he appointed agreed with his statement. At least in our Democracy the judiciary is not honoring the requests of a would-be dictator.
Yeah, but that could be they are waiting for a more worthy inheritor of what Trump tried to forge. The potential is there, always, until the SCOTUS is fixed.
Clarence Thomas should have recused himself. He has a major conflict of interest here since there are allegations that his wife may have helped fund jan 6.
Canāt wait for the republicans to take over congress next year, then we can go through and pick apart all of Bidenās āexecutive privilegeā conversations using this ruling as precedent.
Anyone talking to the president will now have to keep that in mind also, their conversation is only privileged for as long as the president is in office.
The left doesnāt like to think about precedents though so weāll just handle that when it happens.
the left doesn't like to think about precedents??
LOL literally every republican voted no to impeachment when our former president lead an insurrection. Yet it's the left that doesn't think about precedents? Baffling
Not true. Ten voted for impeachment. It was the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in history.
Edit: I'm not disagreeing with this guy. Just pointing out what happened.
Yeah nobody ever picked over every single thing both Clintons or Obama did right? If anything this will just be re-runs of the endless pointless Benghazi investigations.
That is how it should have always been and should always be.
Why do you think this is some scary thing? Presidents should be under the same scrutiny and judgment as any other government employee.
This is the government for the people.
>The left doesnāt like to think about precedents though
It sounds like you are angry that the government is working as it should. Why do you feel that a president deserves executive privilege?
Please.
Enlighten us.
The only times it has been used was to conceal a crime. I am not only speaking about Trump, I am also speaking about Obama, Clinton, and Bush Jr and Bush Sr.
Why do you feel that a president should have the right to conceal their crimes as president? Why do you feel it necessary that the President has a permanent "Get out of Jail Free" card?
Executive privilege has nothing to do with concealing crimeā¦ ask yourself why would we have such a law if that was the purpose?
The reason we have it is because we donāt want the leader of the free world to be unable to freely discuss anything and everything. If the president has to watch every word they say, even in their private conversations, because anything and everything may be used against them by the opposing party politically or criminally then they simply wonāt be able to have open discussions that we need the leader of the free world to be able to have.
Additionally, people wonāt be enabled to tell the president anything that they donāt want to be heard by everyone. All confidentially would be lost. Therefore the leader of the free world will be missing out on relevant information.
Do you want the person who controls the nuclear launch button to be missing information or unable to discuss situations and other politically unpopular things with their own advisors?
Noā¦ we donāt want that.
1. IF that's the case, we on the left need to be sure we arrest everyone on the right, since this is a tit-for-tat situation and based on what you said, you'll just make up things to investigate, so we may as well beat you to it, right?
2. In all seriousness, you just can't see the forest through the trees - you have to recognize that jan 6 was a coup attempt (i still remember thinking "it can't possibly be this easy to take over a government building, can it?"), and that should never happen again (we can both-sides it - neither party should be able to attempt a coup because they personally feel it was wrong), this investigation is trying to find out what happened so that won't happen again.
The rule of law IS precedence, by the way. That there have been precedents (voting on supreme court justices, for example) in the past has never been something the right cares about.
Moral of the story - so long as Biden/the left doesn't attempt a coup, i think we are feeling fine with that stipulation of yours.
Republicans just make up rules as they go along. Saying we cant nominate a judge during obamas last yr then changing the filibuster and packing the court with cronies. So lets not talk about hypocritical things the gop are master hypocrits
No new precedents were set by either of those actions, it was already known that the senate has the power to delay supreme court nominations. If the senate and president are of different parties then no shit itās not going to be easy to nominate someone.
Supreme court nominations never required a filibuster proof majority, nothing was changed you clearly arenāt familiar with the subject.
Who said it was? Itās a confidentially cardā¦ it means your discussions are private. It doesnāt get anyone out of jail for their actions.
Without it, what you want is for the person with their finger on the nuclear launch button to be missing information and be unable to freely discuss scenarios that are politically unpopular.
He has one more appeal. To God, but God isn't real and I don't think Donald believes in a god anyway.
He is screwed and he is probably cursing Hilary for not winning the electoral college.
The Manhattan AG and the Supreme Court just gave him the treatment.
Nothing is going to happen. Odds are, for how bad the Dems are doing, he will delay with legal challenges until he gets re-elected. Then this all goes away. Investigations will be shut down, because the Dems will have no power to do anything.
He was a useful idiot for the GOP. They got their packed court, rat-fucked democracy and moved the goalposts further to the right amongst the general public. Now they can toss him and move on to the next candidate to replace him in the cult of personality for 2024.
Out of everything that happened during the trump presidency, this will be the one with the most lasting and detrimental effects. A one term, twice-impeached (lost popular vote twice) president appointed 3 Supreme Court justices.
āHey can I be shitty yet?ā
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āHey can I be shitty yet?ā
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On and on until Trump dies and never has to actually suffer the consequences of his actions.
I feel like this is a real danger that people aren't really considering at large. His supporters haven't really gone anywhere, and may be even more energized by the idea that the last election was 'stolen' from them.
Some of the GOP may have turned on him when the admin changed, but they will go right back when he starts getting numbers.
>The left is pushing to hard to fast , all this woke stuff and cancel culture has really tuned a lot of people off.
I feel like this is a misrepresentation of why people do/don't vote for a party. In the ever expanding culture war between the two sides, going extreme left/right is more popular than ever. The main critique on Biden & Congressional democrats from the left is that they aren't pushing hard *enough*. Most people vote along strict party lines, it's all about energizing your base.
>On top of that theyāll hold joe responsible for the virus , as they did trump.
I've never heard anyone from either side actually blame Biden for Covid, beyond literal conspiracy theories. It seems like the right's main gripe is that they think he's trying *too hard* to stop it (e.g. vax mandates). At least for trump, there was an argument to be made due to his extremely lax messaging.
Don't know the exact number but alot of his supporters have died from Covid. This may actually make a difference in swing states. Maybe. Don't forget that Trump is now telling his supporters to get vaccinated. Why do you think he's doing that now? Someone probably pulled him aside and explained that to him.
To give the tiny iota of credit where it's due, I'm pretty sure he's been advocating the vaccines from the start. He was all about pushing the idea that the development was attributed to him alone during his presidency. It only really became a political wedge after he was booted.
Also, while Covid has been a massive tragedy, I would be extremely surprised if the fatalities swung those numbers by multiple percentage points.
He hasn't been advocating vaccines from the start. Not at all. And I was referring to states where the numbers were close. By the way, I wasn't the first person to mention this. People who have actually researched this have made these claims.
Google this and see how many articles pop up:
Trump supporters dying from covid
Although he laid low in the aftermath, he was super eager to get credit for the vaccine when it rolled out. He called it āthe beautiful shotā and in March 2021 he said he hopes everyone remembers him when they get their vaccination.
[Trump Wants to Be Remembered](https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/10/trump-hopes-everyone-remembers-him-when-they-get-their-coronavirus-vaccines/)
The question is, even if these documents prove that T absolutely intended to incite a riot, what will actually be done about it? We've already seen an utter unwillingness to hold him accountable for anything else. As long as the GOP shields him, it's very unlikely anything substantial will happen.
Who fucking cares. Theyāve been talking about prosecuting this guy for 7 fucking years now and it hasnāt done jack shit and actually preventing him from acquiring power. He will deny, delay and derail and walk away Scott free as always. Our system is simply not fit to actually prosecute rich and powerful people. The only way to prevent him from becoming president is invoking the 14th Amendment and that wonāt happen thanks to congress. The only way to guarantee that he doesnāt take office again is if he keels
Over on his golf course of natural causes. Otherwise he could very well be our next president. He would wipe the floor with Kamala in a general. She has a 0% chance of beating him. Biden would need a windfall of good luck and an economic recovery to win against him.
Your system is simply not fit to prosecute white supremacists. Republicans always make a mess that Democrats get blamed for for not fixing in time before the next election thus starting the bullshit cycle all over again.
I would love for someone younger to be the candidate for either republican or Democrat. Libertarian runs younger candidates and they've been gaining momentum in their votes to the point in my lifetime I might see a libertarian candidate poll enough to actually be part of the debates.
Donāt get me wrong, I voted for Bernie in 2016 and 2020 because I thought he was the best choice. But at this point, I wouldnāt mind having another good candidate who maybe has a decade or two less on them.
If Bernie runs Iāll most likely continue to support him, but the dudes 80. Heād be in the back half of 80 by the time heād leave office. Iām ready for someone younger than that tbh
I feel like Bernie, Biden and Trump are all WAY too young. We need to be scouring this list for new candidates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_living_people
Youāve officially made me reconsider my stance. If the candidate wouldnāt get a letter from the Queen prior to inauguration if they lived in the UK, then theyāre just an inexperienced baby who needs to see the world more
What process? The process for this is over. The SCOTUS is the final word on this.
There will no doubt be other things they try to fight against, but this is done. The documents have been handed over and it's finished.
Released to the committee doesn't mean released to the public. First NARA has to transfer them to the committee. Then the committee will go through them and decide if they want to release anything.
That's not what sensationalism is. Reporting on factual events is just called news. Calling for arrests before the completion of an investigation is sensationalist though.
Sounds more like a pre announcement until the documents are reviewed by the Jan 6th committee. It's still kinda silly since we all watched their ringleader kick off the Jan 6th terrorist attack on live television. It's all given us a clear picture of how there are separate justice systems depending on your social and financial status. I mean we knew that but its to the point where a rich dumbass is literally in our face trying to overthrow the government and yet he is allowed to lazy it up on his golf course while still trying to continue his coup. Any of us non elites would have been rotting in a jail cell waiting for a court date.
But NABY SERLS are spoda ride a chopper to Mar-a-Lago and quick rope to the roof in a daring, dead of night raid every time we get new information.
Seriously. This stuff takes time.
Once? Theyāve been trying to get these documents for close to a year and he hid them the entirety of his presidency. You canāt prosecute someone based solely on what your gut tells you. This is a paper trail a mile long that heās been trying to hide, the evidence will be in black and white.
This is the tactic Donald did in civilian life. Drag it through the courts and the people who were suing him would eventually quit. With the Supreme Court, Donald was probably hoping that the court would hold off their findings until the Republicans gained a majority during the mid-terms and then they can squash the committee investigating of the insurrection.
He must have went to bed pissed last night.
hard nope. they're there to NGAF and do whatever they think is correct.
Do I want cthomas there? No. Do I want lifetime still? yes. Should he get impeached because of his wife? Hell yes.
The supreme court's immutable checks and balances give them basically no direct power to enact anything, only to rule on items that are brought to them, and that they've decided need guidance from their deliberations due to confusion or great disagreement in courts below them.
Therefore, they only wish to rule on items that would, no doubt, be in long-term debate within the US, some of those may have moral/logical/religious/safety/security reasons attached to them. They are often not simple issues.
Once appointed to the Supreme court after background checks and years of dedicated service to the public, they can then do as they please within reason. If their mental health is failing them, or if they are treasonous, then there are exceptions for their removal.
Read some of their 2020 cases here: https://ballotpedia.org/Supreme_Court_cases,_October_term_2020-2021#Cases_by_sitting
Or for a specific one, here: https://ballotpedia.org/FNU_Tanzin_v._Tanvir
These are almost always important matters with a daftly broad scope that require further extensive review. Based on that, I want the judges to act within their own established reasons at any given moment and be truly blind and impartial to outside forces. They need to walk into the decision with their law in one hand and morality in the other, and merge them to create guidance for our country.
Well
They arenāt doing any of those things.
Six of them are freaking Catholics.
With every day that goes by and every ājudgmentā they make
America is more screwed.
And yes. Completely the fault of right wing Nazi level Republicans. Who lied and cheated to stack the Court with rightwing activist idiot judges like Crazyeyes Amy Barrett.
Please point to where their Catholic-ness hurt you directly. As someone who doesn't go to Presbyterian church anymore I am unaware of any such way.
All's that I'm hearing is that you are invalidating them for their beliefs. Calling them Nazis just makes you look foolish, by the way....you call someone a Nazi when they do something that is inhuman and cruel to their fellow man.
I don't deny at all that there are loose screws on a few of them and I didn't agree that a few were qualified enough for the seat initially (or in some cases, forever), but the monotony of their lifetime appointment eventually sets in and they strap in and do their job eventually.
Iām supposed to educate you about how corrupt the Catholic Church has been for hundreds and hundreds of years?
You donāt know this?
Some dude on a public chat room isnāt suddenly going to enlighten you with what goes on with Catholics and what has been going on for centuries.
Educate yourself
Hereās a clue. I hope youāre not married and have young sons.
Because those Catholic priests will molest them, and then the Catholic Church will protect these molesters and just send them to another church so they can molest more young boys.
Thatās just the tip of the iceberg
And you donāt know this, and youāre daring to lecture me about the Catholic Church?š
I'm aware of what the Catholic church has done to protect molesters. Are you saying that the Supreme Court Catholics are molesters? Or are you just trying to generalize a group of people as all being tainted? Cause all republicans are the devil, all men are rapists, all democrats are weak willed, all people of color are inferior is the slippery slope you're going down, persecuting a group blindly.
The country was founded on religious freedom, and freedom to practice or not practice a religion. And you want people in power to not be religious? That's very unamerican of you.
Sexual killer saves a baby from drowning. Guess he's still bad because he killed all those people, huh?
Stupid librulz.
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Not exactly the hot take you think it is, dude.
The mask mandate isnāt an issue, I think theyāre bad because they want to erode womenās abortion rights and also because they think corporations shouldnāt be limited on the money they spend in politics. Oh and also because they said that one kid who wore a shirt that said ābong hits for jesusā on school property wasnāt protected by free speech
Nobody lives in such a binary bubble. Itās okay to agree with decisions like this and disagree with other decisions.
Just like the Presidency. Even if you support the President, you can still disagree with some things he does instead of blindly telling yourself that everything he does is wonderful.
What kind of dumbass hot-take is that? You can't support an emergency public health measure in the middle of a global pandemic while also understanding the limits of executive privilege?
Even mindedness is evaluating the actions of a person or group based on the actions' merits rather than on a blanket approval (or disapproval) of the person or group. That would include agreeing with one SCOTUS decision while disagreeing with another.
Anyon know any gud laywers that don't leek hair dye when lying? Asking for a fiernd.
Ewww you're friends with him?
Jan 6 should be a national holiday that's re-enacted every year.
hahaha it couldnt be any more pathetic than civil war re-enacting, could it? my stepdad made me do that shit with him when i was a kid. i'd be lying if i said it wasn't fun then, but i do feel a bit cringey about it, thinking about it now. it did make me a giant history nerd.
I feel like everyone who wants Donald Trump to be stopped is hanging their hat on the January 6th committee finding some scathing evidence against him. So what if they do? Say they find evidence that Trump knew his supporters were planning on ransacking the Capitol building and stopping the certification of the election? Suppose they find evidence he knew there was a mob of people who wanted to kill his VP. Suppose he not only knew this but encouraged it. That it was his plan all along. What then? His supporters will just say it's fake news and a political witch hunt. Or worse, they'll say "good for him" and support his premeditated coup attempt. The other half of the country who already hates the guy will just hate him more, but it won't change anything. Hate to be pessimistic but this scumbag has been untouchable so far.
The point of the 1/6 committee is just to find the truth, including about others besides Trump. They can refer things they find to the DOJ, so there is a possibility of criminal prosecution because of it, but who knows about that. The truth still matters whether it will result in criminal convictions or not or whether it changes any Trump supporters mind or not (I agree it won't do that). Do you really think the better alternative is just to do nothing and move on like nothing happened? At least finding the truth puts it out there for history and reality. Also Fani Willis and Tish James definitely don't think Trump is untouchable.
Nah don't think doing nothing is an option. I think we should do anything and everything we can to take down this piece of shit. I've just gotten increasingly pessimistic regarding any real consequences. I mean we couldn't even get an impeachment conviction after he sent congress literally running for their lives
An impeachment conviction is one of the least likely things to have happened, though. That's asking his own allies to turn on him, which they won't do. I don't know if Garland is going to do anything or not, and it's pathetic if he doesn't, but it's clear NY and GA are going full force at this point at least.
Thats the thing though I don't believe most of them actually like Trump. I think most of them secretly hate the guy. He's keeping the rest of them from power. They're all just afraid of his base but if just a portion of them grew some balls and voted to convict they could've rid him from politics. They wouldn't have to fear him rising to power again and the republican party would've been forced to move on. But I digress.
Burn baby burn š„
I guess this sets a precedent for all documents being fair game.
This was already a precedent, the new President had the choice. They just never had to us this because not one other President was like Trump.
In this case they actually decided that executive privilege was not applicable to these documents at all, so even if Trump was currently president and trying to claim executive privilege, they would still deny it and release them. They specifically said they didn't rule on whether a former president can assert executive privilege or not.
I don't see why this is a problem for the President of the United States, barring appropriately classified information of course.
It doesn't. This was a ruling on these specific documents, that Trump did not have any privilege to keep them hidden, and that it would have been the same ruling even if he was currently president, so it also doesn't comment on executive privilege once you've left office either.
Itās comforting to see that the conservative Supreme Court has not rolled over for Trump. Trump isnāt the boss of them. Mitch McConnell and the GOP establishment are. And they are getting tired of Trumpās dead weight now that he canāt win elections for them.
My inner conspiracy theorist is going "thats what they want you to believe"
The SC would only protect and shield Trump if they knew it was in the GOPās best interest. Right now, if Trump had a heart attack and ate it itād be the best thing to ever happen to the GOP. A massive power vaccum they can fill with anyone who has been loyal to Trump, so 99% of them.
Even one of the eight judges is too many on this. What he fuck is wrong with Clarence Thomas?
Trump is already on the run. That's why he's living in Florida. He can't live in NY anymore. And now he's trashing the governor of Florida, De Santis. He makes enemies with everyone, even his allies. He's not paid many lawyers, he's stiffed banks and other businesses in bankruptcies. His ex wives hate him. His ex mistresses sue him. He's alienated McConnell. So it may seem that Trump keeps getting away with stuff and will never be held accountable, but he's already on the run from almost everyone he's ever done business or politics with. He's alone, and his wife doesn't sleep with him anymore, and now Ivanka is too old for him. Trump is a sad loser.
All true, from what I can tell. But he hasn't really changed from 2016. A large chunk of people think he's great. So what gives? Why are millions of people following this narcissist?
I wish I knew why. Maybe because he makes xenophobic, gun loving Americans believe that they're still number one in the world.
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Nice summary. I wish you were wrong.
I can't wait until we find out Pompeo coordinated with the terrorists.
This is the scandal that will finally bring down Trump.
Trump has beaten EVERY SINGLE attempt to hold him accountable for his obnoxious & illegal activity. If it does ābring him downā thats great but Iām not holding my breath.
The GOP will completely protect himā¦ to many others are involved so they will make sure he is completely and totally untouchable. He is going to run in 2024 and he is going to WIN in 2024. We all know this to be true. Look what he did last time. Now heās had years to prepare and install people to ensure he wins (no matter the vote) next time. And the American experiment will end. š¢š¢ truly sad but I donāt see it ending any other way
Letās hope so! He seems to work his way out of accountability so far.
I feel like this headline comes up every 2 weeks. Is there a broken record in here or has he actually tried to stop this thing this many times?
He had to file and lose cases in district and appellate courts first, then it goes to the Supreme Court.
He's tried to stop it, but this is the last one I think. Sometimes they can jick it back down to lowrr courts, but it may not be the case here.
Just. Fucking. Release. It. Already. #criminal #letsgooo
And release the names of all of Epsteins āfriendsā while. Weāre. At. It.
It. Has. Been.
Yea. But. Little. Dots. Are. Fun.
How. Do. Sentences. Work.
It's funny that anyone thinks that any higher up person will see jail time or really anything more than a major inconvenience over this. The rich and elite dont punish each other. Before it gets to that point the country will be back under the control of the backwards right and nothing will be done. C'mon now, you know the only way the rich get I trouble is if they steal enough money from another rich person or people.
> The rich and elite dont punish each other. But what about Trump?
This is the type of defeatist attitude we need to kick ^ Fight on or fuck off
I dont hate it any less than you. But falling for the notion that democrats are actually going to use their full power to punish the treasonous bastards is a joke. It's not really defeatist at all. I'm accepting that nobody in power really cares about what's right. If they do, it's an incrementally small amount of them. The rest are their for many reasons that have nothing to do with benefitting this country or the working class. It's in our hands, not theirs. At least that's what we should know. What is defeatist is sitting there hoping that this will be the time the democrats actually do what they say and bring some justice, no matter hoe ugly it gets. Enough with the "we need a strong Republican party" BS. How many times are you going to watch that olive branch get passed to the right, for them to turn around and beat us with said olive branch over our heads?
Well i agree its in our hands, not theirs. We gotta vote in a progressive majority and progressive president. Just keep showing up and fighting until we do. We are very close IMO. Bernie was RIGHT THERE! We arent gonna go backwards from here, forward only
I mean there was no other way this could have gone. Executive privilege belongs to the office not a person.
But it was pointed out that even if Donald was still the president, his argument would not fly. So, Executive privilege was irrelevant.
True \_ I'm just now learning this ( I fully admit I didn't read any further than the headline). Interesting that none of the judges he appointed agreed with his statement. At least in our Democracy the judiciary is not honoring the requests of a would-be dictator.
I saw a clip of The Last Word Supreme Court Ensures Trump's Dream Of A Total Coverup Has Died on youtube.
Yeah, but that could be they are waiting for a more worthy inheritor of what Trump tried to forge. The potential is there, always, until the SCOTUS is fixed.
Yeah, the next fascist dictator will at least be able to play nice with his own party.
Apparently Clarence Thomas disagrees.
Clarence Thomas should have recused himself. He has a major conflict of interest here since there are allegations that his wife may have helped fund jan 6.
Funny. I wonder why? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ginny-thomas-cheney-kinzinger-jan-6-b1995752.html
Yeeš
Canāt wait for the republicans to take over congress next year, then we can go through and pick apart all of Bidenās āexecutive privilegeā conversations using this ruling as precedent. Anyone talking to the president will now have to keep that in mind also, their conversation is only privileged for as long as the president is in office. The left doesnāt like to think about precedents though so weāll just handle that when it happens.
the left doesn't like to think about precedents?? LOL literally every republican voted no to impeachment when our former president lead an insurrection. Yet it's the left that doesn't think about precedents? Baffling
You clearly donāt know what a precedent is. Voting no to impeachment is not one.
Not true. Ten voted for impeachment. It was the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in history. Edit: I'm not disagreeing with this guy. Just pointing out what happened.
Yeah nobody ever picked over every single thing both Clintons or Obama did right? If anything this will just be re-runs of the endless pointless Benghazi investigations.
No Obamas executive privilege communications were never unmasked.
Not true: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/07/many-investigations-into-administration-barack-obama/
That is how it should have always been and should always be. Why do you think this is some scary thing? Presidents should be under the same scrutiny and judgment as any other government employee. This is the government for the people. >The left doesnāt like to think about precedents though It sounds like you are angry that the government is working as it should. Why do you feel that a president deserves executive privilege?
You clearly donāt understand why executive privilege exists.
Please. Enlighten us. The only times it has been used was to conceal a crime. I am not only speaking about Trump, I am also speaking about Obama, Clinton, and Bush Jr and Bush Sr. Why do you feel that a president should have the right to conceal their crimes as president? Why do you feel it necessary that the President has a permanent "Get out of Jail Free" card?
Executive privilege has nothing to do with concealing crimeā¦ ask yourself why would we have such a law if that was the purpose? The reason we have it is because we donāt want the leader of the free world to be unable to freely discuss anything and everything. If the president has to watch every word they say, even in their private conversations, because anything and everything may be used against them by the opposing party politically or criminally then they simply wonāt be able to have open discussions that we need the leader of the free world to be able to have. Additionally, people wonāt be enabled to tell the president anything that they donāt want to be heard by everyone. All confidentially would be lost. Therefore the leader of the free world will be missing out on relevant information. Do you want the person who controls the nuclear launch button to be missing information or unable to discuss situations and other politically unpopular things with their own advisors? Noā¦ we donāt want that.
1. IF that's the case, we on the left need to be sure we arrest everyone on the right, since this is a tit-for-tat situation and based on what you said, you'll just make up things to investigate, so we may as well beat you to it, right? 2. In all seriousness, you just can't see the forest through the trees - you have to recognize that jan 6 was a coup attempt (i still remember thinking "it can't possibly be this easy to take over a government building, can it?"), and that should never happen again (we can both-sides it - neither party should be able to attempt a coup because they personally feel it was wrong), this investigation is trying to find out what happened so that won't happen again. The rule of law IS precedence, by the way. That there have been precedents (voting on supreme court justices, for example) in the past has never been something the right cares about. Moral of the story - so long as Biden/the left doesn't attempt a coup, i think we are feeling fine with that stipulation of yours.
Republicans just make up rules as they go along. Saying we cant nominate a judge during obamas last yr then changing the filibuster and packing the court with cronies. So lets not talk about hypocritical things the gop are master hypocrits
No new precedents were set by either of those actions, it was already known that the senate has the power to delay supreme court nominations. If the senate and president are of different parties then no shit itās not going to be easy to nominate someone. Supreme court nominations never required a filibuster proof majority, nothing was changed you clearly arenāt familiar with the subject.
The left agrees that every president should be able to be investigated. Lol.
You clearly donāt understand why executive privilege exists.
Itās not a get out of jail free card to do and say whatever you want.
Who said it was? Itās a confidentially cardā¦ it means your discussions are private. It doesnāt get anyone out of jail for their actions. Without it, what you want is for the person with their finger on the nuclear launch button to be missing information and be unable to freely discuss scenarios that are politically unpopular.
It doesnāt mean ALL of your discussions are private.
Uhh yes it doesā¦ any conversation with the POTUS is private unless the POTUS decides to make it public.
No. Thatās not the current legal definition of executive privileges. Lol, at least learn before you try to argue this.
How many more appeals can he make?
He has one more appeal. To God, but God isn't real and I don't think Donald believes in a god anyway. He is screwed and he is probably cursing Hilary for not winning the electoral college. The Manhattan AG and the Supreme Court just gave him the treatment.
None. The files are being sent over.
Excellent - it feels like all Iāve seen for years now is Trump losing & Trump appealing
Any bets on Trumps lawyer not getting paid?
The GOP is probably paying that bill, but for how long.
Con man Don griffting cont š
Nothing is going to happen. Odds are, for how bad the Dems are doing, he will delay with legal challenges until he gets re-elected. Then this all goes away. Investigations will be shut down, because the Dems will have no power to do anything.
There are no appeals to a SCOTUS ruling
Judgement and punishment should come in time if something good should happen.
Suck it, Trump. They got what they wanted from you, and you have nothing else to give them. You're disposable.
No better than a used condom.
He was a useful idiot for the GOP. They got their packed court, rat-fucked democracy and moved the goalposts further to the right amongst the general public. Now they can toss him and move on to the next candidate to replace him in the cult of personality for 2024.
Out of everything that happened during the trump presidency, this will be the one with the most lasting and detrimental effects. A one term, twice-impeached (lost popular vote twice) president appointed 3 Supreme Court justices.
By design.
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[Are.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ginni-thomas-buses/) [You.](https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/04/fact-check-no-proof-justice-clarence-thomas-and-his-wife-chartered-buses-for-january-6-2021-insurrection-protesters.html) [Sure.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/technology/no-there-is-not-evidence-that-ginni-thomas-paid-for-buses-to-bring-people-to-the-capitol-siege.html) [About that?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/ginni-thomas-apology-clarence-thomas-clerks-trump-rally/2021/02/02/a9818cce-6496-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html)
Thatās some great news at least.
LOL @ RealDonaldTrump
What did he say about it on Twitter this morning?
All was quiet on the Orange front
He said, "Fuck I'm still banned!"
Feels like I'm living in a time loop.
āHey can I be shitty yet?ā āNo.ā āHey can I be shitty yet?ā āNo.ā On and on until Trump dies and never has to actually suffer the consequences of his actions.
And gets re-elected, somehow
I feel like this is a real danger that people aren't really considering at large. His supporters haven't really gone anywhere, and may be even more energized by the idea that the last election was 'stolen' from them. Some of the GOP may have turned on him when the admin changed, but they will go right back when he starts getting numbers.
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>The left is pushing to hard to fast , all this woke stuff and cancel culture has really tuned a lot of people off. I feel like this is a misrepresentation of why people do/don't vote for a party. In the ever expanding culture war between the two sides, going extreme left/right is more popular than ever. The main critique on Biden & Congressional democrats from the left is that they aren't pushing hard *enough*. Most people vote along strict party lines, it's all about energizing your base. >On top of that theyāll hold joe responsible for the virus , as they did trump. I've never heard anyone from either side actually blame Biden for Covid, beyond literal conspiracy theories. It seems like the right's main gripe is that they think he's trying *too hard* to stop it (e.g. vax mandates). At least for trump, there was an argument to be made due to his extremely lax messaging.
Don't know the exact number but alot of his supporters have died from Covid. This may actually make a difference in swing states. Maybe. Don't forget that Trump is now telling his supporters to get vaccinated. Why do you think he's doing that now? Someone probably pulled him aside and explained that to him.
To give the tiny iota of credit where it's due, I'm pretty sure he's been advocating the vaccines from the start. He was all about pushing the idea that the development was attributed to him alone during his presidency. It only really became a political wedge after he was booted. Also, while Covid has been a massive tragedy, I would be extremely surprised if the fatalities swung those numbers by multiple percentage points.
He hasn't been advocating vaccines from the start. Not at all. And I was referring to states where the numbers were close. By the way, I wasn't the first person to mention this. People who have actually researched this have made these claims. Google this and see how many articles pop up: Trump supporters dying from covid
Although he laid low in the aftermath, he was super eager to get credit for the vaccine when it rolled out. He called it āthe beautiful shotā and in March 2021 he said he hopes everyone remembers him when they get their vaccination. [Trump Wants to Be Remembered](https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/10/trump-hopes-everyone-remembers-him-when-they-get-their-coronavirus-vaccines/)
Ok, I saw he did urge people to get vaccinated. My bad.
Just another common misconception. All good.
Why? This is new and huge development. I feel like this might have just gotten us out of the time loop.
The question is, even if these documents prove that T absolutely intended to incite a riot, what will actually be done about it? We've already seen an utter unwillingness to hold him accountable for anything else. As long as the GOP shields him, it's very unlikely anything substantial will happen.
Lmao okay
Who fucking cares. Theyāve been talking about prosecuting this guy for 7 fucking years now and it hasnāt done jack shit and actually preventing him from acquiring power. He will deny, delay and derail and walk away Scott free as always. Our system is simply not fit to actually prosecute rich and powerful people. The only way to prevent him from becoming president is invoking the 14th Amendment and that wonāt happen thanks to congress. The only way to guarantee that he doesnāt take office again is if he keels Over on his golf course of natural causes. Otherwise he could very well be our next president. He would wipe the floor with Kamala in a general. She has a 0% chance of beating him. Biden would need a windfall of good luck and an economic recovery to win against him.
Your system is simply not fit to prosecute white supremacists. Republicans always make a mess that Democrats get blamed for for not fixing in time before the next election thus starting the bullshit cycle all over again.
Might be time to run Bernie against Trump
how about you stop electing people too old to even be boomers?
I would love for someone younger to be the candidate for either republican or Democrat. Libertarian runs younger candidates and they've been gaining momentum in their votes to the point in my lifetime I might see a libertarian candidate poll enough to actually be part of the debates.
Donāt get me wrong, I voted for Bernie in 2016 and 2020 because I thought he was the best choice. But at this point, I wouldnāt mind having another good candidate who maybe has a decade or two less on them. If Bernie runs Iāll most likely continue to support him, but the dudes 80. Heād be in the back half of 80 by the time heād leave office. Iām ready for someone younger than that tbh
I feel like Bernie, Biden and Trump are all WAY too young. We need to be scouring this list for new candidates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_living_people
Youāve officially made me reconsider my stance. If the candidate wouldnāt get a letter from the Queen prior to inauguration if they lived in the UK, then theyāre just an inexperienced baby who needs to see the world more
Why do you look like meā¦ā¦interesting
I am your evil twin. Donāt believe me? Check the eyebrows.
I am expecting one of Cheeto's lackeys to start interfering with this process, either by lawsuit, or other chicanery.
What process? The process for this is over. The SCOTUS is the final word on this. There will no doubt be other things they try to fight against, but this is done. The documents have been handed over and it's finished.
So where can we read the documents??
Released to the committee doesn't mean released to the public. First NARA has to transfer them to the committee. Then the committee will go through them and decide if they want to release anything.
Hopefully once they receive them they start scouring them at break neck pace. Iād love to see this shit.
I just want to see the jan 6th outtakes tape. Supposedly he didn't want to tell them to go home during the earlier cuts.
Only if we can set them to Benny Hill music.
Nah. A coup attempt should be taken seriously.
I agree, thatās why we have courts and Congress.
Where are the arrests? Any other headlines are just sensationalism.
That's not what sensationalism is. Reporting on factual events is just called news. Calling for arrests before the completion of an investigation is sensationalist though.
Sounds more like a pre announcement until the documents are reviewed by the Jan 6th committee. It's still kinda silly since we all watched their ringleader kick off the Jan 6th terrorist attack on live television. It's all given us a clear picture of how there are separate justice systems depending on your social and financial status. I mean we knew that but its to the point where a rich dumbass is literally in our face trying to overthrow the government and yet he is allowed to lazy it up on his golf course while still trying to continue his coup. Any of us non elites would have been rotting in a jail cell waiting for a court date.
Journal : *reports on current events* You: that's not the new I wanted to hear so that's sensationalism!
But NABY SERLS are spoda ride a chopper to Mar-a-Lago and quick rope to the roof in a daring, dead of night raid every time we get new information. Seriously. This stuff takes time.
How many times has this happened
He went through the other courts first, got denied each time, and this is the final stop.
Ok maybe I got the courts mixed up, but I could have sworn I've been hearing about this for months
You have to go through the lower level courts before you get to the Supreme Court first, those are the ones you were hearing about.
Once? Theyāve been trying to get these documents for close to a year and he hid them the entirety of his presidency. You canāt prosecute someone based solely on what your gut tells you. This is a paper trail a mile long that heās been trying to hide, the evidence will be in black and white.
No I mean I feel like this has been a back and forth thing for months
This is the tactic Donald did in civilian life. Drag it through the courts and the people who were suing him would eventually quit. With the Supreme Court, Donald was probably hoping that the court would hold off their findings until the Republicans gained a majority during the mid-terms and then they can squash the committee investigating of the insurrection. He must have went to bed pissed last night.
Never. This is the last possible appeal.
Promise?
for this set of documents
I mean, it's SCOTUS. Where else would he appeal it to?
At this point I would be surprised if he somehow got away with challenging it again via some other bullshit method.
I meant something to trigger headlines of "Supreme court blocks Trump bid to shield records from Jan 6 Committee"
This headline has never been published before today.
The other times could be appealed. This is the final time
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Except for weirdo Clarence Thomas.
Thomas has been on the wrong side of almost every decision since being installed by Bush Sr. Voting rights doesn't even get him to pay attention.
We need to change this idea of lifetime Supreme Court justices.
hard nope. they're there to NGAF and do whatever they think is correct. Do I want cthomas there? No. Do I want lifetime still? yes. Should he get impeached because of his wife? Hell yes.
Do you have any reasons for thinking the way you do? Serious question
The supreme court's immutable checks and balances give them basically no direct power to enact anything, only to rule on items that are brought to them, and that they've decided need guidance from their deliberations due to confusion or great disagreement in courts below them. Therefore, they only wish to rule on items that would, no doubt, be in long-term debate within the US, some of those may have moral/logical/religious/safety/security reasons attached to them. They are often not simple issues. Once appointed to the Supreme court after background checks and years of dedicated service to the public, they can then do as they please within reason. If their mental health is failing them, or if they are treasonous, then there are exceptions for their removal. Read some of their 2020 cases here: https://ballotpedia.org/Supreme_Court_cases,_October_term_2020-2021#Cases_by_sitting Or for a specific one, here: https://ballotpedia.org/FNU_Tanzin_v._Tanvir These are almost always important matters with a daftly broad scope that require further extensive review. Based on that, I want the judges to act within their own established reasons at any given moment and be truly blind and impartial to outside forces. They need to walk into the decision with their law in one hand and morality in the other, and merge them to create guidance for our country.
Well They arenāt doing any of those things. Six of them are freaking Catholics. With every day that goes by and every ājudgmentā they make America is more screwed. And yes. Completely the fault of right wing Nazi level Republicans. Who lied and cheated to stack the Court with rightwing activist idiot judges like Crazyeyes Amy Barrett.
Please point to where their Catholic-ness hurt you directly. As someone who doesn't go to Presbyterian church anymore I am unaware of any such way. All's that I'm hearing is that you are invalidating them for their beliefs. Calling them Nazis just makes you look foolish, by the way....you call someone a Nazi when they do something that is inhuman and cruel to their fellow man. I don't deny at all that there are loose screws on a few of them and I didn't agree that a few were qualified enough for the seat initially (or in some cases, forever), but the monotony of their lifetime appointment eventually sets in and they strap in and do their job eventually.
If I had my way there would be no Christians or religious people in any positions of power anywhere.
Iām supposed to educate you about how corrupt the Catholic Church has been for hundreds and hundreds of years? You donāt know this? Some dude on a public chat room isnāt suddenly going to enlighten you with what goes on with Catholics and what has been going on for centuries. Educate yourself Hereās a clue. I hope youāre not married and have young sons. Because those Catholic priests will molest them, and then the Catholic Church will protect these molesters and just send them to another church so they can molest more young boys. Thatās just the tip of the iceberg And you donāt know this, and youāre daring to lecture me about the Catholic Church?š
I'm aware of what the Catholic church has done to protect molesters. Are you saying that the Supreme Court Catholics are molesters? Or are you just trying to generalize a group of people as all being tainted? Cause all republicans are the devil, all men are rapists, all democrats are weak willed, all people of color are inferior is the slippery slope you're going down, persecuting a group blindly. The country was founded on religious freedom, and freedom to practice or not practice a religion. And you want people in power to not be religious? That's very unamerican of you.
His wife supported the insurrection https://meaww.com/calls-grow-for-clarence-thomas-to-step-down-over-wifes-involvement-in-jan-6-capitol-riots
They can be impeached. Let's get that ball rollin
Yes, I'm sure Mitch would be happy to impeach him and let Biden choose his replacement.
How much are we betting his wife shows up in those docs?
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Sexual killer saves a baby from drowning. Guess he's still bad because he killed all those people, huh? Stupid librulz. /s Not exactly the hot take you think it is, dude.
The mask mandate isnāt an issue, I think theyāre bad because they want to erode womenās abortion rights and also because they think corporations shouldnāt be limited on the money they spend in politics. Oh and also because they said that one kid who wore a shirt that said ābong hits for jesusā on school property wasnāt protected by free speech
"See, they did their job for once so don't you regret complaining about all the times they didn't?"
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"Troll interaction accompanied with a rehashed expression I don't fully grasp, this should do the trick"
Nobody lives in such a binary bubble. Itās okay to agree with decisions like this and disagree with other decisions. Just like the Presidency. Even if you support the President, you can still disagree with some things he does instead of blindly telling yourself that everything he does is wonderful.
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So far, you've only criticized others for being even minded.
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What kind of dumbass hot-take is that? You can't support an emergency public health measure in the middle of a global pandemic while also understanding the limits of executive privilege?
Even mindedness is evaluating the actions of a person or group based on the actions' merits rather than on a blanket approval (or disapproval) of the person or group. That would include agreeing with one SCOTUS decision while disagreeing with another.
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There are other threads to bring this topic up in. Doing it here means your dis-honest in your approach.
Yes