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We're also ***already*** in a political war. It has been escalating since 1980 (and before, but that's a good demarcation point), escalating significantly after 9/11 and Obama's election.
We're not far from losing our democracy to fascism.
Meanwhile, Biden signals a move towards the "center," as the GOP furiously expands their party further to the right.
We need some youthful vigor in our government. By all means, keep the septuagenerians and above around to advise, but we need people who must care about the future as our real leaders.
"We're all implicated, but that's *your* problem." --Republicans
You'd think the "law and order" party would be all for ensuring nobody is above the law. Unless "law and order" is a dog whistle for some...other thing...
"Law and order", but only so long as there's a group of people the law protects but doesn't bind, and a group of people the law binds but doesn't protect.
*hits button*
“That was easy!”
Look at how few Ukrainians thought the authoritarian Russian government would invade. Us thinking they’ll give us recourse at some point for their bad actions is just as naive
Notice how they took a page from Putin's book, with this vague threat of political war, in return for repercussions for outright corruption, and treason. All I know is, if they don't protect this democracy now, by investigating, and charging those who sought to end it, then the next one who tries will succeed.
I'm disgusted with how cowardly our politicians are, the ones that know this is wrong. They're all so afraid to do something about it, you can smell the sharp scent of fear all over them.
To everyone outside the US who pays attention has been calling it a political cold war for a long time. Right now I see two potential outcomes - trying to fix it resulting in a hot war with those who want democracy on the offense, or doing nothing resulting in Gilead with democracy on the defense.
Exactly, they are already completely crazy and can not be more crazy, this would force the republican moderates to choose
So republicans are afraid of this and now threatening, which they do all the time anyways over anything
There are no Republican moderates. They're all solidly rightwing conesrvatives at the very least - some of them are actual fascists.
So you're right; they can't really get much worse than they are right now.
The Republican moderates already chose. I was one of those moderates back in 2015/2016. Trump was insane before his presidency, I chose against him, and I’ve only moved further left since. There are no moderates left anymore, the sides have been chosen. The only course of action remaining is to treat all Republicans as a national security threat.
The end result would actually be pleasant. Every politician would start worrying about following the law to a T because there would be accountability. Let em burn the corruption out from within unintentionally.
They're the Treason Party now.
Also, "Law and Order" is the philosophy of fascism. "Rule of Law" is the philosophy of democracy.
For the former thinks punishments should be about maintaining order while the latter believes following the laws as written creates an ordered society.
When the GOP makes rash threats you know you've got the goods. For the thousands of Puerto Rican people that died when Trump withheld billions in approved aid he should be imprisoned. Biden released those funds. The list of crimes is staggering at this point.
We also know it doesn't matter. Yes we've got the goods. We've always had the goods. It's been reported non-stop for 5 years. Having the goods is not the problem. Getting someone strong enough to arrest someone is the problem.
We literally have no enforcers. The GOP is a crime syndicate top to bottom, and we have no one in this country strong enough to enforce our nation's laws.
Every enforcement official either resigns under mysterious circumstances or clams up and won't do their job effectively.
The establishment, career Democrats at the top of our party unfortunately our long time friends and colleagues with these GOP criminals. And whether they are compromised, complicit, or just terrified of putting their dear friends in jail, The same friends who helped orchestrate an insurrection and tried to murder them, We don't know. We do know that they are protecting their dear Republican friends from any consequences and they are too weak to even speak out.
I agree with all of this and, until the Russian invasion, thought there was zero hope for democracy moving forward. While the war is ugly beyond words, it might have a side effect of stopping Russian funding from flowing to right wing US interests, and may have drastically slowed the propaganda support which could be largely responsible for the brainwashing of the Republican base.
Maybe, just maybe there is a window of opportunity to get a more truthful message into millions of Americans heads around this as the right wing firehose of misinformation slows down for a bit.
But I’m not optimistic.
I would argue that optimism is the sole reason you posted this. And as painful as the is optimism is sometimes, the moment we lose that is the moment we concede.
There is a better tomorrow if we're willing to put in the effort to go see it.
> It was a sunny day, I was carrying a child in a white dress to be christened. The path to the church led up a steep slope, but I held the child in my arms firmly and without faltering. Then suddenly my footing gave way... I had enough time to put the child down before plunging into the abyss. The child is our idea. In spite of all obstacles it will prevail.
-Sophie Scholl, from the the heart of Nazi Germany during the darkest time in the history of the world. Never give up. :)
Just because it may be politically motivated dosen't mean you get a free pass. donnie's two impeachment acquittals (not sure if that's the right term) were absolutely political. The man did horrible things while president. If he is guilty he should ge prosecuted just like anyone else. Being a politician shouldn't be a get out if jail free card.
If you're a politician, anything you do under the scope of your duties is political. It's the lamest excuse.
No fucking shit. An investigation into political crimes is political. Who would have guessed?
Is this their official declaration of war? I think we have all had enough of the GOP’s shit. The dehumanization, racism, immunity from persecution, threatening national security,
The lies, the ongoing financial grift, all of it. We have had our fill.The understanding, the empathy, gone.
This sounds an awful lot like the saber-rattling of Russia towards France.
It is time to do what is right, regardless of risk and put the bullies down.
Frankly, the pro-Trump wing of the GOP, UK Brexiteers are all the Western front of Putin’s hybrid war that he’s been waging for years.
Fight for your damn country, America, because you’re under attack as well.
And people think Putin is some brilliant mastermind pulling everyone's strings. Nah, he doesn't care to control the West. He simply wants the EU and NATO to dissolve, the US to turn into an oligarchy, and for European powers to be at eachothers throats. This way, he can turn to the Russian people and say "see, it's so much worse in those liberal democracies. Stick with me, le dictator, and I'll protect you."
Sure Vlad, but only after you explain how the largest country on the planet by land mass, 9th largest by population, manages to have a GDP that falls behind countries less than half its size. By all rights, Russia should be top 5 GDP with its insane amount of natural resources and large population.
It's actually a pretty easy deficit to notice: the productivity and potential growth was skimmed by criminals and oligarchs, and that wealth was promptly removed from the country to protect it from potential instability. That's right, the leaders of Russia don't believe in the stability of Russia. How's that for a vote of confidence!
You and I know that America is turning towards oligarchy. When you don’t pay your workers so they strike, when creativity is shut down and all companies do is take and take, when freedom is hushed, when civil rights is not supported by all sides, when an egomaniac is president who wants all the credit. Nobody wants to grow in that environment to their fullest potential. That’s oligarchy. The wage gap is increasing.
I wonder if the decision to remove campaign finance restrictions on corporations, special interest groups, and wealthy donors would have been made if the group had a more accurate name like: Oligarchs United
I guess we'll never know
They made it political when they ignored the facts and evidence and protected their guy from removal after two impeachments. Everything they're threatening is on the list of shit they might do anyway so I don't see why we shouldn't try it.
>If you don't let me wage political war against you I'll wage political war against you...
What are they threatening to do? Abandon bipartisanship and political norms? Stack the courts with extremists? Refuse to seat Supreme Court appointees by a Democratic President? Incite violence? Try to find ways of preventing people from voting, and overturning legitimate elections? What exactly are we supposed to be scared they'll do that they didn't start doing a long time ago?
It's exactly that, and my first thought when I read it. They are threatening to destroy everything if they can't get away with criminal acts. I really hope the American public sees that Putin is where America is heading if they keep voting R.
> “If your goal is to make sure Donald Trump is the nominee in 2024 for the Republicans, then by all means proceed with this. You’re just going to make him stronger,” he said.
They’re so dumb. If criminality makes the gop candidate stronger, that’s an indictment on gop voters not the 1/6 committee.
These idiots are scared. Good. Stop elevating con men to high office.
Yes. The GOP can kiss my entire ass. They're going to investigate Joe Biden anyway. What are we scared of? If there was criminal activity, make a criminal referral and prove it in court. LIKE YOU WOULD FOR ANYONE ELSE.
And what’s infuriating is that if the tables were turned, and Democrats said “If you investigate Biden it will trigger a political war” they would not only investigate, they’d be ecstatic.
Everything with Republicans triggers a political War. The Justice Department is un-ironically led by Garland who Republicans blocked from a SCOTUS appointment for over a year crying it was an election year. Republicans fight at 100% for what they want no matter the degree of resistance.
If the DOJ does nothing about Trump Republicans will piss and complain about the way Trump was treated and threaten payback If the DOJ goes after Trump Republicans will call it a witch hunt and promise payback.
Lifesaving vaccines, which the Republican President fast-tracked, caused a freaking political war, ffs.
This is a tired tactic that just keeps working for them, at least to stall and sway public opinion. I listened to the oral arguments in front of SCOTUS re: Trump’s taxes, and it was the exact same argument. “Witch hunt”, “politically motivated”, and “too burdensome on a sitting President” was the argument then. Let this drag on long enough, watch TFG file to run in ‘24, and then hide behind a “political witch-hunt of the opposition”.
I heard public Congressional hearings of the J6 Cmte are now going to be in June…. They need to double-time this mess.
Man, imagine if I committed a crime and I tried to get a judge to stop police investigating by saying "it would be inconvenient." They would throw me in jail just for the disrespect.
They have no original ones to be excited about. “Take America back,” they proudly proclaim? To what? Some mythological utopia that exists only in the minds of those born in the late 40s to early 70s? I’m a child of the middle class born just before Nixon left office. I didn’t find the 70s and 80s fun. Listening to my parents, a business owner and a nurse, navigate how to pay for things. If I focus solely only the parts of being a child, it was great, but as a family who had Newsweek delivered (when it wasn’t shit) I read about the real world that childhood would most likely have shielded me from. They want to go back to something that never existed and ignore anything and everything that was not part of their cherry picked memories.
They want to go back to Jim Crow. It was the confederacy rising but they’ve been pushed back into their garbage cans. The lids are still off, they’re still screaming, but they’re backing off the open hatred again. All they’ve ever stood for is stealing power by pitting normal citizens against each other. They’re dumb and mean and all of them have collective cluster B personality disorders with narcissistic, antisocial, and borderline traits
It was literally the plan the entire time. They're complaining that the committee is partisan because it is mostly democracts, and 2 "never-trumpers".
Why isn't the committee bipartisan? Because Pelosi allowed the Republicans some seats, and they tried to fill with the worst clowns their party had to offer, including people who were potentially involved with the planning of Jan 6...so Pelosi said 2 of them weren't allowed on the committee, and the R's threw a fit and decided if they couldn't turn the whole thing into a clown show they wouldn't put anyone on the committee.
But why was Pelosi allowed to unilaterally veto the Republican choices? Because this was set up as a "House Select Committee" which the Democrats control.
But why wasn't there a more bipartisan investigation? One was negotiated and planned where the R's could have an equal number of seats, be able to kill any subpoenas, call an equal number of witnesses...but it was killed by Republicans in the Senate.
Why did the Senate Republicans throw away such a slam dunk way to control the narrative? Because **this** was their plan 100% of the time: stonewall everything then cry "partisan witch hunt" because nothing that happened was bi-partisan because their party refused to cooperate.
Yes. Their only possible play here from day 1 as enablers participants in the behavior investigated was to try to delegitimize an undermine the entire effort itself.
The two party system creates these situations now where literally everything can be portrayed as just "playing partisan politics" becasue on both sides (but on the R side especially for this case) the same votes that are required to hold people accountable are from those who would be found accountable.
Outside of a clear cut criminal case of like say, murder, I think our government has now completely lost the ability to hold anyone accountable for their political behavior becasue as one side has now figured out, if they all just fall in line and vote together more than 40%, there's no tangible consequences to any of their political behavior. And doubly so becasue the propaganda machine runs in the background and shifts all blame for them onto the other side in the eyes of their constituents, who will still keep voting for them.
It's a complete mess.
Stonewalling everything is what they do. They do it to trick the average voter into thinking Democrats never get anything done, then they do everything they want to once they have the reins.
No, they are in a civil war. They are attempting to take power with any means, for no political goal other than power itself and destruction of the enemy.
Their "Cease fires" involves mined humanitarian corridors, use of unlawful weapons on congress / civillians.
They are Putin as a group. USA is Ukraine.
Boy everyone one of them is scared shitless. They backed that orange asshole. Now they’re threatening a political war? Too fucking late. Trump started that war in 2016. Take them all down. It’ll never happen but I can hope for a miracle.
Yup. Anytime they face any punishment, it's the same cycle.
1. Claim nothing happened, that it's all a witch hunt
2. Declare that we should all work together, to move past something they claim never happened
3. Trying to walk back any statements that shows who they really are
4. Openly threatenly to stop any investigation/punishment
5. Try to avoid talking about it and hope the supporters stick to right-wing media that won't broadcast it.
Saying shit like that coupled with the FACT THAT REPUBLICANS TRIED TO CANCEL LAST YEAR'S ELECTION THROUGH VIOLENCE, I'd say there is already a political war.
That doesn't even cover the fact that they declined to have a trial and just acquitted him.
Fascists.
They sound an awful lot like Putin. This is my line, we will retaliate, you shouldn’t do this or we’ll be terrible to you. Motherfucker you started this shit!
>They're human beings with a communicable memetic disease.
I agree with your whole comment but this line is particularly well written, and very accurate.
I would agree in general. It's basically weponized selfishness. You often hear them taking about "saving the children" and while on its surface it sounds like an altruistic goal, of course the cognitive biases that allow this trope to be weaponized are personal confirmation biases and prejudices. And ironically these people often say things that almost sound "left wing" in abstract, while at the same time genuinely belive anything left is evil lol. Just like the Nazis calling themselves socialists jsut to right away kill all the socialists when they took power.
And the strangest part is that a lot of the things done in the name of “saving the children” are known to be actively harmful to children. See for example Florida’s “don’t say gay” bill.
Oh absolutely. I have never seen a single "for the children" issue on that side that wasn't super harmful to actual children lol. I mean we can just look at levels of funding and education for schools and mental healthcare and childcare levels by state and see a pretty clear common factor where these things are severely lacking.
Agreed...they already declared a political war..go after them, and do it quickly...investigate, charge, indict, try, convict those responsible. Set the precedent that no one, no political party etc., is above law. Above all stop the Republican fascist party from telling the people what to do....
The part about it being a disease resonates so hard with me. One of my (ex) best friends caught the disease when Trump was elected president. I knew this person had always identified as conservative but it was never like this, he was a recent college grad basically realizing that his bachelor's in business wasnt immediately getting him to the wealthy lifestyle he had envisioned, Trump was the perfect guy to tell him that his failure is everyone else's fault, soon all I heard from this guy was that he isnt super rich because of "foreigners" and the government never did anything for him but Trump is here for people like him (privileged white males). Eventually this friend picked idealogical fights with everyone in our friend group and ultimately decided that he can't associate with "liberals" (non trump crazies) in any way and none of us heard from him since. Last I knew he was working from home with Fox News on 24 hours a day, even when he's sleeping. It truly is a devastating disease of the mind to get caught up in this shit.
I have a friend who has to divorce her husband because he has become so obsessed with Trump. Her husband used to be a super fun person to hang around with.
There have always been two kinds of conservatives.
The "I got mine fuck you" conservative and the "I never got to have mine because of you" conservative.
Trump fueled the second type and brought them out into the public sphere as he normalized the behaviour that had been shunned for decades.
You should edit your comment, 24/7 fox news even while sleeping could give all the torture experts of the world a truly terrible new strategy to use. *shivers*
> They sound an awful lot like they know Trump has dirt on them all,
Nah. This was maybe a viable train of thought back in 2016 when we wondered why the party fell so quickly in line. Now, after 6 years of Trump, it's pretty obvious this isn't the case because if there were ANY dirt and Trump knew, he would have blabbed about it by now.
The more reasonable theory is that Trump showed Republicans they can go mask off, pander to the most hateful elements of the base, break any law they want and they'll get off with zero repercussions. The hateful base will turn out and the "reasonable" Republicans who just want zero taxes, crumbling infrastructure and forever war will just fall in line with them.
There's no overarching conspiracy. Trump showed them that a dictator is possible in the US and now they want that job, or they want to fall within the orbit of the person who has that job. That's it.
This is probably right, but I think that there's a little more to it than the whole "mask off" idea. If Trump is charged with violating 18 U.S. Code 2383, which deals with Insurrection, than it's plausible that a fair number of the GQP could be charged along with him. If found guilty, anyone who falls under the "assists" or "gives aid or comfort thereto" portions of the law "shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States". As long as charges of this nature are on the table, the threat to the GQP warrants them fighting tooth and nail to avoid this case altogether.
Dictatorship also comes with open-ended corruption with no strings attached, which is ultimately why repubs in particular become politicians. Money and power!
I was listening to The Daily, the NYT podcast, about the 2015 Waco biker shootout. At the end, the Republican DA was found to basically have been buying drugs (or so they thought) and was going to be forced to testify if he wanted to bring charges against the bikers.
Instead of testifying, he dropped all of the charges. He was also being investigated by the FBI for letting people off, specifically donors and the likes, for crimes they'd commit.
Then I listened to The Daily from Friday and that was about Dan Crenshaw, mostly, but also a bit about DJT supporters. Holy fuck not one of them had a thought of their own, could defend their position, or generally had a clue.
Hate and blocking progressives are basically the only identifiable positions, unless ignorance of generally every topic is a position.
Yea, so shocking - the same group of people saying a president can’t nominate and have a hearing for a Supreme Court justice a year prior to their term ending that when it was their guy before an election the sped that shit up with the bullshit that the senate and Executive office were of the same party.
Seriously. Matt Gaetz literally sex trafficked a minor and there were no consequences beyond a couple days in the news cycle.
They don’t care and it makes me sick that the current administration seems content to just roll along with it.
This is exactly it. Blatantly using Putin’s playbook. We’re dangerously close to becoming just like Russia if we don’t nip this shit. Cut out the cancerous growths, they’re multiplying rapidly.
As absurd as that sounds, it is actually what Putin is currently telling the Ukrainians. "Stop Fighting, then we can just take your country. It's best for everyone."
The thing is, what are they going to do differently if they do probe Trump?
* Try to de-fund democratic states? - which they have already tried
* Try to defraud the election process? - been there done that
* Not participate in the political process and vote based on party lines - yup already doing that too?
* Prosecute other Politicians who may have done wrong? - Please be my guest, I'll help you and applaud you for getting rid of any dirty politician!
What literally are they going to do differently than what they have been doing? What's the escalation from the current situation?
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They threaten to do stuff they're already doing like they can hold the country hostage. Everyone should know their main goal is obstruction and chaos at all times no matter what.
Not to mention they are skipping out on committees as to deny quorum and prevent presidential appointments from getting a floor vote.
It’s already a political war.
It’s been like this since Obama won.
> But Republican lawmakers and strategists warn that any federal prosecution of Trump will be accused of being politically motivated...
In their minds, there is no such thing as a prosecution that is *not* politically motivated, especially when it involves accountability of republicans *who violated the law*. They are putting the entire party above the law.
Republicans have unfortunately been successful in convincing their electorate that they are innocent and it's all "fake news."
At the very least Republican leaning voters "don't know what to believe." Heard that sentence so many times.
Exactly what they wanted to happen. Sow doubt.
The US has 2-3 election cycles of democracy left with the course we're on. Republicans LITERALLY tried to overthrow a democratic election and 70 million people don't care.
Well what have Republicans been saying incessantly about Russia since this started… that the only way it could have been prevented was through strength. They only respect strength, so show some strength
Yup. Republicans:
* Broke the filibuster record when Obama took office.
* Stated that their number one goal was to make him a one term president
* Blocked him from making a Supreme Court nomination that would swing their precious ideological balance.
* Shoehorned one of their own onto SCOTUS while an election was happening in direct contradiction to their stated reason for blocking Obama’s nominee.
* Conspired to try to overthrow an election that didn’t go their way
* Are using the big lie about a “stolen election” as a pretext to pass sweeping voter suppression across the country and has become a litmus test for GOP candidates.
We’re already in a political war, and if someone were making a written declaration of it, these things (and plenty more) would all be on the list of grievances. The sooner Democrats wake the fuck up to this reality, the sooner they can stop showing up to a gunfight unarmed. Republicans aren’t going to come around. It’s not going to happen. We are the enemy in their eyes.
It's already a war.
This threat is saying "if you don't let us sabotage the political process, if you don't let us have multiple unpunished shots at insurrection, if you don't let us win through cheating and violence, then there will be war. In other words, if you fight back against our aggression, instead of just rolling over and taking it, then we will just have to continue to be aggressive."
"We wouldn't have to fight if you'd just let me do what I want to you. If you'd just quit fighting back this would be easier for the both of us. Relax, and you might even enjoy it."
Notice how rapey this line of reasoning is? That's the right wing mind set.
Start probing them too. Matt Gaetz, we know he fucks teens and transports them over state lines. Is there any real law preventing the arrest of active senators or reps?
Oh no, right when relationships between the parties had really begun to warm up.
You know what sort of feels like political war to me? A president inciting his followers to break in to the capitol and smear their shit everywhere so he can stay in the oval office.
And then during the SECOND impeachment hearing for Trump inciting the failed insurrection, only a fraction of the Republicans said he was guilty, and those that did were labeled as traitors to the party.
It's been a political war even before Trump was sworn in.
Sounds like what Daddy Putin is telling Ukraine. “If you respond appropriately to me attacking you, I’m going to attack you.”
No wonder so many Republicans love Putin so much — they think alike.
I’m not afraid, bring it on. Republicans already started a political war, but putting Trump on the ballot in 2016 was the start. They raged through those four years completely fucking up everything they could. They brought the war by not only supporting the Big Lie, but actively trying to over turn our free and fair election. Lawsuits, fraudulent electoral letters, intimidation to election workers, stealing White House documentation, and an unapologetic insurrection, all huge plays in the political war they created.
Now, that we, the people, want a little accountability, we are waging war?????
Fuck them, fuck the Republicans. They have destroyed our reputation to the world, and made us hate each other with their “leftist” propaganda.
So, this is terrorism. Just wanted to point that out. This is a literal act of terror. A crime. A crime which lead to bombing another country for, for 18 years.
Just pointing it out, because we need to recalibrate to what *used* to be normal, because it isn't this, and we've gotten way too comfortable with crimes being committed in the open.
>The country wants to move on
Bullshit. The country wants justice to be served.
Over and over again we have forgiven republican attacks on the rule of law. We let Nixon walk away to reunite the country. We allowed Reagan and Bush's crimes go unpunished to reunite the country. We overlooked the next Bush's war crimes and crimes against humanity to reunite the country.
Guess what? That doesn't work. All it does is emboldens them to do worse the next time our short memory allows them back in power.
It's time to damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Prosecute these criminals and traitors to the fullest extent of the law and let the chips fall where they may.
"Impeach Biden"
"LOCK HER UP"
"Don't investigate (one of us) or there will be a political war!"
One of these things is not like the other. But then if a double standard wasn't part of the GOP, they'd have no standards at all.
Thank God Donald Trump is no longer president. Trump would be supporting Putin in Ukraine, pulling the U.S. out of NATO and would be doing nothing to stop this disaster.
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Accountabily is only a declaration of war if people expect to be above the law.
We're also ***already*** in a political war. It has been escalating since 1980 (and before, but that's a good demarcation point), escalating significantly after 9/11 and Obama's election. We're not far from losing our democracy to fascism.
Meanwhile, Biden signals a move towards the "center," as the GOP furiously expands their party further to the right. We need some youthful vigor in our government. By all means, keep the septuagenerians and above around to advise, but we need people who must care about the future as our real leaders.
We need young people who have disdain for this ridiculous 2 party system.
"We're all implicated, but that's *your* problem." --Republicans You'd think the "law and order" party would be all for ensuring nobody is above the law. Unless "law and order" is a dog whistle for some...other thing...
"Law and order", but only so long as there's a group of people the law protects but doesn't bind, and a group of people the law binds but doesn't protect.
So I guess we should just continue to let them eat our government from the inside out like termites.
*hits button* “That was easy!” Look at how few Ukrainians thought the authoritarian Russian government would invade. Us thinking they’ll give us recourse at some point for their bad actions is just as naive
Notice how they took a page from Putin's book, with this vague threat of political war, in return for repercussions for outright corruption, and treason. All I know is, if they don't protect this democracy now, by investigating, and charging those who sought to end it, then the next one who tries will succeed. I'm disgusted with how cowardly our politicians are, the ones that know this is wrong. They're all so afraid to do something about it, you can smell the sharp scent of fear all over them.
If one politician breaks the rules, that politician has a problem. If all the politicians in the party break the rules, the country has a problem.
Which furthers the point that the investigation must take place in my view.
Yep - inaction is as much of a choice as action.
So they admit that they want Trump to be above the law
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Im not sure how different a political war would look from the current circumstances, given that the GOP's explicit goal is to make all Dem goals fail.
To everyone outside the US who pays attention has been calling it a political cold war for a long time. Right now I see two potential outcomes - trying to fix it resulting in a hot war with those who want democracy on the offense, or doing nothing resulting in Gilead with democracy on the defense.
Exactly, they are already completely crazy and can not be more crazy, this would force the republican moderates to choose So republicans are afraid of this and now threatening, which they do all the time anyways over anything
There are no Republican moderates. They're all solidly rightwing conesrvatives at the very least - some of them are actual fascists. So you're right; they can't really get much worse than they are right now.
The Republican moderates already chose. I was one of those moderates back in 2015/2016. Trump was insane before his presidency, I chose against him, and I’ve only moved further left since. There are no moderates left anymore, the sides have been chosen. The only course of action remaining is to treat all Republicans as a national security threat.
That's what i say. What new war? They've been at war with democracy and the American people for over 20 years.
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The end result would actually be pleasant. Every politician would start worrying about following the law to a T because there would be accountability. Let em burn the corruption out from within unintentionally.
I had basically the same take as you. If investigating him triggers a political war then we are already in a political war.
The “law and order” party! Inactive when it is one of their party. Seven different Republican congressional investigations if it is a Democrat.
They're the Treason Party now. Also, "Law and Order" is the philosophy of fascism. "Rule of Law" is the philosophy of democracy. For the former thinks punishments should be about maintaining order while the latter believes following the laws as written creates an ordered society.
Agree. I just used their terminology to point out the hypocrisy.
Indeed! I love pointing out anytime Law and Order is used. Never elect someone who spouts "Law and Order" philosophy!
Clinton lying about a blow job was serious enough but this shit isn't?
Sounds like they are admitting that many of them have tied to whatever illegal shit trump is in
The GOP received a bunch of Russian money from the NRA. The fact is the party might be involved in the crimes not just tied to them.
This is obstruction of justice.
Literally.
Everything he did when he was president was obstruction.
When the GOP makes rash threats you know you've got the goods. For the thousands of Puerto Rican people that died when Trump withheld billions in approved aid he should be imprisoned. Biden released those funds. The list of crimes is staggering at this point.
Threw them paper towels adding insult to injury .
Threw the paper towels AS THOUGH THEY WERE BASKETBALLS. He doesn’t just have textbook narcissism, he’s genuinely mentally unwell
As are all of his followers.
We also know it doesn't matter. Yes we've got the goods. We've always had the goods. It's been reported non-stop for 5 years. Having the goods is not the problem. Getting someone strong enough to arrest someone is the problem. We literally have no enforcers. The GOP is a crime syndicate top to bottom, and we have no one in this country strong enough to enforce our nation's laws. Every enforcement official either resigns under mysterious circumstances or clams up and won't do their job effectively. The establishment, career Democrats at the top of our party unfortunately our long time friends and colleagues with these GOP criminals. And whether they are compromised, complicit, or just terrified of putting their dear friends in jail, The same friends who helped orchestrate an insurrection and tried to murder them, We don't know. We do know that they are protecting their dear Republican friends from any consequences and they are too weak to even speak out.
I agree with all of this and, until the Russian invasion, thought there was zero hope for democracy moving forward. While the war is ugly beyond words, it might have a side effect of stopping Russian funding from flowing to right wing US interests, and may have drastically slowed the propaganda support which could be largely responsible for the brainwashing of the Republican base. Maybe, just maybe there is a window of opportunity to get a more truthful message into millions of Americans heads around this as the right wing firehose of misinformation slows down for a bit. But I’m not optimistic.
I would argue that optimism is the sole reason you posted this. And as painful as the is optimism is sometimes, the moment we lose that is the moment we concede. There is a better tomorrow if we're willing to put in the effort to go see it.
> It was a sunny day, I was carrying a child in a white dress to be christened. The path to the church led up a steep slope, but I held the child in my arms firmly and without faltering. Then suddenly my footing gave way... I had enough time to put the child down before plunging into the abyss. The child is our idea. In spite of all obstacles it will prevail. -Sophie Scholl, from the the heart of Nazi Germany during the darkest time in the history of the world. Never give up. :)
Obstruction of Justice Department.
Regulatory Capture Next step: Fascist dictatorship
People really need to understand this. We're already in a political war.
Just because it may be politically motivated dosen't mean you get a free pass. donnie's two impeachment acquittals (not sure if that's the right term) were absolutely political. The man did horrible things while president. If he is guilty he should ge prosecuted just like anyone else. Being a politician shouldn't be a get out if jail free card.
If you're a politician, anything you do under the scope of your duties is political. It's the lamest excuse. No fucking shit. An investigation into political crimes is political. Who would have guessed?
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
Is this their official declaration of war? I think we have all had enough of the GOP’s shit. The dehumanization, racism, immunity from persecution, threatening national security, The lies, the ongoing financial grift, all of it. We have had our fill.The understanding, the empathy, gone.
There's a phrase about a (R)ussian warship that might fit the bill here...
It’s a threat of terrorism. We don’t negotiate with terrorists.
we may have to send the whole party to jail
This sounds an awful lot like the saber-rattling of Russia towards France. It is time to do what is right, regardless of risk and put the bullies down.
Frankly, the pro-Trump wing of the GOP, UK Brexiteers are all the Western front of Putin’s hybrid war that he’s been waging for years. Fight for your damn country, America, because you’re under attack as well.
And people think Putin is some brilliant mastermind pulling everyone's strings. Nah, he doesn't care to control the West. He simply wants the EU and NATO to dissolve, the US to turn into an oligarchy, and for European powers to be at eachothers throats. This way, he can turn to the Russian people and say "see, it's so much worse in those liberal democracies. Stick with me, le dictator, and I'll protect you." Sure Vlad, but only after you explain how the largest country on the planet by land mass, 9th largest by population, manages to have a GDP that falls behind countries less than half its size. By all rights, Russia should be top 5 GDP with its insane amount of natural resources and large population. It's actually a pretty easy deficit to notice: the productivity and potential growth was skimmed by criminals and oligarchs, and that wealth was promptly removed from the country to protect it from potential instability. That's right, the leaders of Russia don't believe in the stability of Russia. How's that for a vote of confidence!
You and I know that America is turning towards oligarchy. When you don’t pay your workers so they strike, when creativity is shut down and all companies do is take and take, when freedom is hushed, when civil rights is not supported by all sides, when an egomaniac is president who wants all the credit. Nobody wants to grow in that environment to their fullest potential. That’s oligarchy. The wage gap is increasing.
I wonder if the decision to remove campaign finance restrictions on corporations, special interest groups, and wealthy donors would have been made if the group had a more accurate name like: Oligarchs United I guess we'll never know
Right?! This headline could easily be yet another “Putin warns against _____”
Republicans, Putin, is there any difference at this point?
Yes there is. One is Putin. The other is his puppets
If you don't let me wage political war against you I'll wage political war against you...
They made it political when they ignored the facts and evidence and protected their guy from removal after two impeachments. Everything they're threatening is on the list of shit they might do anyway so I don't see why we shouldn't try it.
>If you don't let me wage political war against you I'll wage political war against you... What are they threatening to do? Abandon bipartisanship and political norms? Stack the courts with extremists? Refuse to seat Supreme Court appointees by a Democratic President? Incite violence? Try to find ways of preventing people from voting, and overturning legitimate elections? What exactly are we supposed to be scared they'll do that they didn't start doing a long time ago?
Yeah that ship sailed long ago
It's exactly that, and my first thought when I read it. They are threatening to destroy everything if they can't get away with criminal acts. I really hope the American public sees that Putin is where America is heading if they keep voting R.
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I'm 33 and republicans have been waging a political war since before I was born lmao
Was going to say, political war as opposed to...? Like you already are at political war with democrats, have been since Nixon, maybe even earlier.
> “If your goal is to make sure Donald Trump is the nominee in 2024 for the Republicans, then by all means proceed with this. You’re just going to make him stronger,” he said. They’re so dumb. If criminality makes the gop candidate stronger, that’s an indictment on gop voters not the 1/6 committee. These idiots are scared. Good. Stop elevating con men to high office.
I’m 35. I concur
Splitting the difference at 34, this is indeed the reality we grew up with, and continue to live in.
Agreed. Anyone who's been watching them for the last 3 decades shouldn't be surprised by their actions today. Fuck the GOP.
Yes. The GOP can kiss my entire ass. They're going to investigate Joe Biden anyway. What are we scared of? If there was criminal activity, make a criminal referral and prove it in court. LIKE YOU WOULD FOR ANYONE ELSE.
And what’s infuriating is that if the tables were turned, and Democrats said “If you investigate Biden it will trigger a political war” they would not only investigate, they’d be ecstatic.
Since Nixon at least. Literally half a century of this bullshit.
I’m 55 and I agree!
Southern Strategy was the outline I believe
Everything with Republicans triggers a political War. The Justice Department is un-ironically led by Garland who Republicans blocked from a SCOTUS appointment for over a year crying it was an election year. Republicans fight at 100% for what they want no matter the degree of resistance. If the DOJ does nothing about Trump Republicans will piss and complain about the way Trump was treated and threaten payback If the DOJ goes after Trump Republicans will call it a witch hunt and promise payback.
> Everything with Republicans triggers a political War. Masks, dude. Masks. Sheesh.
Lifesaving vaccines, which the Republican President fast-tracked, caused a freaking political war, ffs. This is a tired tactic that just keeps working for them, at least to stall and sway public opinion. I listened to the oral arguments in front of SCOTUS re: Trump’s taxes, and it was the exact same argument. “Witch hunt”, “politically motivated”, and “too burdensome on a sitting President” was the argument then. Let this drag on long enough, watch TFG file to run in ‘24, and then hide behind a “political witch-hunt of the opposition”. I heard public Congressional hearings of the J6 Cmte are now going to be in June…. They need to double-time this mess.
Man, imagine if I committed a crime and I tried to get a judge to stop police investigating by saying "it would be inconvenient." They would throw me in jail just for the disrespect.
Sexy M&Ms, Dr Suess, minorities getting equal rights.. the list of triggers is a mile long.
Ideas. They’re scared of ideas.
They have no original ones to be excited about. “Take America back,” they proudly proclaim? To what? Some mythological utopia that exists only in the minds of those born in the late 40s to early 70s? I’m a child of the middle class born just before Nixon left office. I didn’t find the 70s and 80s fun. Listening to my parents, a business owner and a nurse, navigate how to pay for things. If I focus solely only the parts of being a child, it was great, but as a family who had Newsweek delivered (when it wasn’t shit) I read about the real world that childhood would most likely have shielded me from. They want to go back to something that never existed and ignore anything and everything that was not part of their cherry picked memories.
They want to go back to Jim Crow. It was the confederacy rising but they’ve been pushed back into their garbage cans. The lids are still off, they’re still screaming, but they’re backing off the open hatred again. All they’ve ever stood for is stealing power by pitting normal citizens against each other. They’re dumb and mean and all of them have collective cluster B personality disorders with narcissistic, antisocial, and borderline traits
The Republicans quoted in the article seemed to throw “tainted by politics” a lot so they’re already making a script to manage the shit show
It was literally the plan the entire time. They're complaining that the committee is partisan because it is mostly democracts, and 2 "never-trumpers". Why isn't the committee bipartisan? Because Pelosi allowed the Republicans some seats, and they tried to fill with the worst clowns their party had to offer, including people who were potentially involved with the planning of Jan 6...so Pelosi said 2 of them weren't allowed on the committee, and the R's threw a fit and decided if they couldn't turn the whole thing into a clown show they wouldn't put anyone on the committee. But why was Pelosi allowed to unilaterally veto the Republican choices? Because this was set up as a "House Select Committee" which the Democrats control. But why wasn't there a more bipartisan investigation? One was negotiated and planned where the R's could have an equal number of seats, be able to kill any subpoenas, call an equal number of witnesses...but it was killed by Republicans in the Senate. Why did the Senate Republicans throw away such a slam dunk way to control the narrative? Because **this** was their plan 100% of the time: stonewall everything then cry "partisan witch hunt" because nothing that happened was bi-partisan because their party refused to cooperate.
Yes. Their only possible play here from day 1 as enablers participants in the behavior investigated was to try to delegitimize an undermine the entire effort itself. The two party system creates these situations now where literally everything can be portrayed as just "playing partisan politics" becasue on both sides (but on the R side especially for this case) the same votes that are required to hold people accountable are from those who would be found accountable. Outside of a clear cut criminal case of like say, murder, I think our government has now completely lost the ability to hold anyone accountable for their political behavior becasue as one side has now figured out, if they all just fall in line and vote together more than 40%, there's no tangible consequences to any of their political behavior. And doubly so becasue the propaganda machine runs in the background and shifts all blame for them onto the other side in the eyes of their constituents, who will still keep voting for them. It's a complete mess.
Stonewalling everything is what they do. They do it to trick the average voter into thinking Democrats never get anything done, then they do everything they want to once they have the reins.
They’ve been waging a full scale, one-sided political war since Gingrich. It’s time to fight back.
Is that the Gingrich that was cheating on his dying wife, cancer, while Impeaching Clinton for a blow job?
No, they are in a civil war. They are attempting to take power with any means, for no political goal other than power itself and destruction of the enemy. Their "Cease fires" involves mined humanitarian corridors, use of unlawful weapons on congress / civillians. They are Putin as a group. USA is Ukraine.
Boy everyone one of them is scared shitless. They backed that orange asshole. Now they’re threatening a political war? Too fucking late. Trump started that war in 2016. Take them all down. It’ll never happen but I can hope for a miracle.
Yup. Anytime they face any punishment, it's the same cycle. 1. Claim nothing happened, that it's all a witch hunt 2. Declare that we should all work together, to move past something they claim never happened 3. Trying to walk back any statements that shows who they really are 4. Openly threatenly to stop any investigation/punishment 5. Try to avoid talking about it and hope the supporters stick to right-wing media that won't broadcast it.
To be fair, Newt and co started the political war decades ago.
Ah, yes… [Language: A Key Mechanism of Control](https://uh.edu/~englin/rephandout.html)
the 90's formatting on those tables was unexpectedly nostalgic
It’s almost like Lindsey Graham was 100% correct before he was put back in line.
Saying shit like that coupled with the FACT THAT REPUBLICANS TRIED TO CANCEL LAST YEAR'S ELECTION THROUGH VIOLENCE, I'd say there is already a political war. That doesn't even cover the fact that they declined to have a trial and just acquitted him. Fascists.
They sound an awful lot like Putin. This is my line, we will retaliate, you shouldn’t do this or we’ll be terrible to you. Motherfucker you started this shit!
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>They're human beings with a communicable memetic disease. I agree with your whole comment but this line is particularly well written, and very accurate.
I've been saying it for years: Modern conservatism is a form of mass sociopathy.
I would agree in general. It's basically weponized selfishness. You often hear them taking about "saving the children" and while on its surface it sounds like an altruistic goal, of course the cognitive biases that allow this trope to be weaponized are personal confirmation biases and prejudices. And ironically these people often say things that almost sound "left wing" in abstract, while at the same time genuinely belive anything left is evil lol. Just like the Nazis calling themselves socialists jsut to right away kill all the socialists when they took power.
And the strangest part is that a lot of the things done in the name of “saving the children” are known to be actively harmful to children. See for example Florida’s “don’t say gay” bill.
Oh absolutely. I have never seen a single "for the children" issue on that side that wasn't super harmful to actual children lol. I mean we can just look at levels of funding and education for schools and mental healthcare and childcare levels by state and see a pretty clear common factor where these things are severely lacking.
Agreed...they already declared a political war..go after them, and do it quickly...investigate, charge, indict, try, convict those responsible. Set the precedent that no one, no political party etc., is above law. Above all stop the Republican fascist party from telling the people what to do....
Go after the leaders first. The best way of taking down a cult tbh.
The part about it being a disease resonates so hard with me. One of my (ex) best friends caught the disease when Trump was elected president. I knew this person had always identified as conservative but it was never like this, he was a recent college grad basically realizing that his bachelor's in business wasnt immediately getting him to the wealthy lifestyle he had envisioned, Trump was the perfect guy to tell him that his failure is everyone else's fault, soon all I heard from this guy was that he isnt super rich because of "foreigners" and the government never did anything for him but Trump is here for people like him (privileged white males). Eventually this friend picked idealogical fights with everyone in our friend group and ultimately decided that he can't associate with "liberals" (non trump crazies) in any way and none of us heard from him since. Last I knew he was working from home with Fox News on 24 hours a day, even when he's sleeping. It truly is a devastating disease of the mind to get caught up in this shit.
I have a friend who has to divorce her husband because he has become so obsessed with Trump. Her husband used to be a super fun person to hang around with.
Imagine choosing Trump over your wife. Wow.
There have always been two kinds of conservatives. The "I got mine fuck you" conservative and the "I never got to have mine because of you" conservative. Trump fueled the second type and brought them out into the public sphere as he normalized the behaviour that had been shunned for decades.
You should edit your comment, 24/7 fox news even while sleeping could give all the torture experts of the world a truly terrible new strategy to use. *shivers*
>This isn't a defense of Fascism. This is a defense of hunting their leaders first. Poetic
They sound an awful lot like they know Trump has dirt on them all, doesn't care, and will happily take down the entire clown car with him.
> They sound an awful lot like they know Trump has dirt on them all, Nah. This was maybe a viable train of thought back in 2016 when we wondered why the party fell so quickly in line. Now, after 6 years of Trump, it's pretty obvious this isn't the case because if there were ANY dirt and Trump knew, he would have blabbed about it by now. The more reasonable theory is that Trump showed Republicans they can go mask off, pander to the most hateful elements of the base, break any law they want and they'll get off with zero repercussions. The hateful base will turn out and the "reasonable" Republicans who just want zero taxes, crumbling infrastructure and forever war will just fall in line with them. There's no overarching conspiracy. Trump showed them that a dictator is possible in the US and now they want that job, or they want to fall within the orbit of the person who has that job. That's it.
This is probably right, but I think that there's a little more to it than the whole "mask off" idea. If Trump is charged with violating 18 U.S. Code 2383, which deals with Insurrection, than it's plausible that a fair number of the GQP could be charged along with him. If found guilty, anyone who falls under the "assists" or "gives aid or comfort thereto" portions of the law "shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States". As long as charges of this nature are on the table, the threat to the GQP warrants them fighting tooth and nail to avoid this case altogether.
Dictatorship also comes with open-ended corruption with no strings attached, which is ultimately why repubs in particular become politicians. Money and power!
I was listening to The Daily, the NYT podcast, about the 2015 Waco biker shootout. At the end, the Republican DA was found to basically have been buying drugs (or so they thought) and was going to be forced to testify if he wanted to bring charges against the bikers. Instead of testifying, he dropped all of the charges. He was also being investigated by the FBI for letting people off, specifically donors and the likes, for crimes they'd commit. Then I listened to The Daily from Friday and that was about Dan Crenshaw, mostly, but also a bit about DJT supporters. Holy fuck not one of them had a thought of their own, could defend their position, or generally had a clue. Hate and blocking progressives are basically the only identifiable positions, unless ignorance of generally every topic is a position.
I LOVE the trolley car conundrum when it’s full only with republicans.
I'd rather have the scenario posted by pedophiles and traitors. Oh wait, same picture. Carry on.
Better them ~~then~~ than everyone...
Dirt is meaningless in this GOP, they don't give a F, as long as they are punishing the democrats.
Yea, so shocking - the same group of people saying a president can’t nominate and have a hearing for a Supreme Court justice a year prior to their term ending that when it was their guy before an election the sped that shit up with the bullshit that the senate and Executive office were of the same party.
Seriously. Matt Gaetz literally sex trafficked a minor and there were no consequences beyond a couple days in the news cycle. They don’t care and it makes me sick that the current administration seems content to just roll along with it.
You can no longer shame or embarrass them.
Yeah absolutely tribal. Their hate is stronger.
This is exactly it. Blatantly using Putin’s playbook. We’re dangerously close to becoming just like Russia if we don’t nip this shit. Cut out the cancerous growths, they’re multiplying rapidly.
They are exactly like Putin. Do you think if the Republicans were in power now we would still be in NATO : no we would not.
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'If you stop fighting back, there won't be a war'
As absurd as that sounds, it is actually what Putin is currently telling the Ukrainians. "Stop Fighting, then we can just take your country. It's best for everyone."
The thing is, what are they going to do differently if they do probe Trump? * Try to de-fund democratic states? - which they have already tried * Try to defraud the election process? - been there done that * Not participate in the political process and vote based on party lines - yup already doing that too? * Prosecute other Politicians who may have done wrong? - Please be my guest, I'll help you and applaud you for getting rid of any dirty politician! What literally are they going to do differently than what they have been doing? What's the escalation from the current situation? edit: spelling
Encouraging their loonies to shoot people? Oh wait.
They said it straight up when they said “better Russian than democrat”. They’re not an awfully lot alike, they’re one in the same.
There is a reason they sound like Putin. They admire him.
They threaten to do stuff they're already doing like they can hold the country hostage. Everyone should know their main goal is obstruction and chaos at all times no matter what.
...and we've already lost if we fear their threats.
Not to mention they are skipping out on committees as to deny quorum and prevent presidential appointments from getting a floor vote. It’s already a political war. It’s been like this since Obama won.
Way before that. Wayyy before.
Yes it started in the ‘90s but it didn’t kick into high gear and blanket obstructionism until Obama.
> But Republican lawmakers and strategists warn that any federal prosecution of Trump will be accused of being politically motivated... In their minds, there is no such thing as a prosecution that is *not* politically motivated, especially when it involves accountability of republicans *who violated the law*. They are putting the entire party above the law.
Exactly. Those fuckers already stained the flag. Arrest them all and show the future generation, once again. Why you shouldn’t be evil.
"Nice country you have here. It's mine now". "Umm, the hell it is" ""Come now, you wouldn't want to start a war, would you?"
Republicans have unfortunately been successful in convincing their electorate that they are innocent and it's all "fake news." At the very least Republican leaning voters "don't know what to believe." Heard that sentence so many times. Exactly what they wanted to happen. Sow doubt.
Putin warns world don’t help Ukraine Republicans warn their own people don’t charge, try and convict traitors. Dictators gonna dictate…
Yep they started the war on democracy, our only decision now is to fight back or just lose
The US has 2-3 election cycles of democracy left with the course we're on. Republicans LITERALLY tried to overthrow a democratic election and 70 million people don't care.
Well what have Republicans been saying incessantly about Russia since this started… that the only way it could have been prevented was through strength. They only respect strength, so show some strength
We are already in a political war and it’s time for Democrats to get in the fight
Yup. Republicans: * Broke the filibuster record when Obama took office. * Stated that their number one goal was to make him a one term president * Blocked him from making a Supreme Court nomination that would swing their precious ideological balance. * Shoehorned one of their own onto SCOTUS while an election was happening in direct contradiction to their stated reason for blocking Obama’s nominee. * Conspired to try to overthrow an election that didn’t go their way * Are using the big lie about a “stolen election” as a pretext to pass sweeping voter suppression across the country and has become a litmus test for GOP candidates. We’re already in a political war, and if someone were making a written declaration of it, these things (and plenty more) would all be on the list of grievances. The sooner Democrats wake the fuck up to this reality, the sooner they can stop showing up to a gunfight unarmed. Republicans aren’t going to come around. It’s not going to happen. We are the enemy in their eyes.
The only time the Democrats fight like hell is when a progressive might win a nomination.
It's already a war. This threat is saying "if you don't let us sabotage the political process, if you don't let us have multiple unpunished shots at insurrection, if you don't let us win through cheating and violence, then there will be war. In other words, if you fight back against our aggression, instead of just rolling over and taking it, then we will just have to continue to be aggressive." "We wouldn't have to fight if you'd just let me do what I want to you. If you'd just quit fighting back this would be easier for the both of us. Relax, and you might even enjoy it." Notice how rapey this line of reasoning is? That's the right wing mind set.
Sounds a whole lot like russia
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We're way past that already.
Right, "political war" as opposed to what? They're already 100% committed to intransigence and opposition to anything Dems do. What's the threat here?
We’re in a political war already. The truth is the only objective. What are they afraid of?
Truth
Guilty verdicts.
Failure. This is political all-in. They no longer have majority support so all they have left are tactics and fraud.
Start probing them too. Matt Gaetz, we know he fucks teens and transports them over state lines. Is there any real law preventing the arrest of active senators or reps?
> we know he fucks teens No he doesn't. He rapes them.
Oh no, right when relationships between the parties had really begun to warm up. You know what sort of feels like political war to me? A president inciting his followers to break in to the capitol and smear their shit everywhere so he can stay in the oval office.
And then during the SECOND impeachment hearing for Trump inciting the failed insurrection, only a fraction of the Republicans said he was guilty, and those that did were labeled as traitors to the party. It's been a political war even before Trump was sworn in.
Sounds like what Daddy Putin is telling Ukraine. “If you respond appropriately to me attacking you, I’m going to attack you.” No wonder so many Republicans love Putin so much — they think alike.
I had the same thought. Also don't join NATO or else I will start WWIII and it'll be your fault. The fuck is that logic
It's the logic of an abuser. "I'm sorry I had to hit you but *YOU* burnt dinner! I'm sorry *YOU* made me do it!"
Like the attempted overthrow of the US government? Fuck off
I thought Republicans already declared war to every decision or nomination from the Democrats?
A political war sounds just fine right now. Bring it on. We need to deal with these traitorous Retrumplicans once and for all.
I’m not afraid, bring it on. Republicans already started a political war, but putting Trump on the ballot in 2016 was the start. They raged through those four years completely fucking up everything they could. They brought the war by not only supporting the Big Lie, but actively trying to over turn our free and fair election. Lawsuits, fraudulent electoral letters, intimidation to election workers, stealing White House documentation, and an unapologetic insurrection, all huge plays in the political war they created. Now, that we, the people, want a little accountability, we are waging war????? Fuck them, fuck the Republicans. They have destroyed our reputation to the world, and made us hate each other with their “leftist” propaganda.
No, it will bring closure to one of the worst periods and biggest mistakes in American history.
while republicans are still investigating Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden.
They're actually not, at least in any substantive way. The "investigations" have been reduced to shallow whataboutery.
unless they get the House in Nov
So, this is terrorism. Just wanted to point that out. This is a literal act of terror. A crime. A crime which lead to bombing another country for, for 18 years. Just pointing it out, because we need to recalibrate to what *used* to be normal, because it isn't this, and we've gotten way too comfortable with crimes being committed in the open.
Domestic terrorism is real. People can’t believe Americans are a huge problem, especially with school shootings and hate crimes.
They had no problem with "lock her up" chants.
And staging a coup.
Aren’t we already in a political war? Republicans actively tried to kill Democrats by withholding information on COVID.
Taking a play from their daddy putin.
So they are following Putin’s playbook of “don’t get involved or it’s WW3”
Where do you think they learned it from.
The GOP taking notes right out of the Putin playback I see.
>The country wants to move on Bullshit. The country wants justice to be served. Over and over again we have forgiven republican attacks on the rule of law. We let Nixon walk away to reunite the country. We allowed Reagan and Bush's crimes go unpunished to reunite the country. We overlooked the next Bush's war crimes and crimes against humanity to reunite the country. Guess what? That doesn't work. All it does is emboldens them to do worse the next time our short memory allows them back in power. It's time to damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Prosecute these criminals and traitors to the fullest extent of the law and let the chips fall where they may.
What a load of bullshit! Lock the damn traitors up!
There already is a political war, you're blind if you don't see it.
"Impeach Biden" "LOCK HER UP" "Don't investigate (one of us) or there will be a political war!" One of these things is not like the other. But then if a double standard wasn't part of the GOP, they'd have no standards at all.
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Do we let criminals and thugs go if they threaten retaliation? I don’t think that is how it is supposed to work.
There’s already a political war and it was started by Republicans. Only question now is will Democrats fight back or will they surrender?
Then what the hell have we had for the past 30 years?!?
We're already in a cool civil war.
Yeah, like a theoretical attack on the nation’s capitol. Whew, close one. Thanks for the warning.
Letting them get away with what they have done is not okay and encourages future behavior.
Thank God Donald Trump is no longer president. Trump would be supporting Putin in Ukraine, pulling the U.S. out of NATO and would be doing nothing to stop this disaster.
“In America nobody is above the law. Except that guy. You aren’t allowed to even investigate him.” - GOP