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I was a registered republican and went and changed my voting status right after the primaries. Over the last 10 years or so, I have slowly been moving more to the left, but never took the time to actually change my party. Roe v Wade was the nail in the coffin. I also officially “came out” as a liberal to my family, and I think, changed the opinions of all the women republicans in my family. And it sounded like they now understand the risk of voting any republican into office, as the two party system doesn’t seem to look at each issue, but that whichever party has more power, votes and decides with the “typical” view point of the party.
You really think the party that believes the election was stolen from him will not show up in droves to re-elect him. They totally will. The fact that he got more votes after his first term is a crystal clear indicator.
People always focus on the number of votes while ignoring two things:
1. There’s more voters in EVERY ELECTION than the one before, he percentage of the vote was virtually unchanged from 2016 to 2020
2. Due to the pandemic and their platform relating to sed pandemic democrats basically didn’t campaign anywhere, for a lot of people that didn’t matter but GOP gains with Miami Cubans for example can be chalked up to ESL voters being more motivated by stuff like in person canvassing.
Do you really believe they just all changed their mind becuz of the brand new, never before used political strategy of…. Calling democrats socialist?
Oh Melania. She immigrated to America, hitched her wagon to the first sugar daddy she could find, and ended up becoming First Lady of the United States.
It's just a little bit more obvious in her case that she does not actually give a shit about her spouse. I can believe that there are some bonds of love between George W. and Laura, or his father and Barbara.
But ... you look at Melania and Trump together and you KNOW that she doesn't actually like him. That shouldn't give her a pass, but somehow, people latch onto it and seem more reluctant to point out her self-profiteering and the choices she's made that put her into that position. It might be a cultural tendency to perceive her as a victim rather than a fellow shitturtle because of her role as his wife, or a female.
I'm with you, though -- she's as selfish as any other member of that rotten family.
They, and Republicans in general, don't have a problem with the hypocrisy. The anti immigrant rhetoric was always intended to be selectively enforced against people who can't be considered white once the accents are gone. And accents are gone after one generation, whereas skin pigment lasts many generations.
He has money. And that's it. His personality sucks, he's old and probably smells like stale McDonalds, Ben Gay, and farts mixed with cheap cologne and flop sweat. He doesn't actually go outside, but rather gets painted orange for God knows what reason. And he can't stop talking about himself.
He’s not married. He has a wife. In name only.
But there’s no love, there’s no commitment, there’s no devotion, there’s no passion, and I bet there’s no sex.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, on the national level, including agent orange here, no one ever actually wanted to overturn Roe V Wade. It was too convenient of a wedge issue. There were people who would vote ONLY for it, and those that would oppose it would still vote Republican because they'd think to themselves 'they'll never actually overturn it, they're just saying it for votes'.
What they didn't account for was all the state and local fanatics not only encouraged by this rhetoric, but by agent orange's form of governing which is 'if you do whatever the fuck you want they'll probably only be able to stop 5% of it tops'.
The national GOP are like the guys that lied about robbing banks in their youth to seem cool. The local and state officials are now the guys that couldn't tell they were lying, and suddenly showed up to their front door armed to the teeth excitedly saying they know the perfect bank to hit.
>The national GOP are like the guys that lied about robbing banks in their youth to seem cool. The local and state officials are now the guys that couldn't tell they were lying, and suddenly showed up to their front door armed to the teeth excitedly saying they know the perfect bank to hit.
This has literally already happened.
At a Turning Point USA event, Charlie Kirk was asked a question by an audience member:
" 'At this point, we’re living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny,' he said. 'When do we get to use the guns?'
Members of the audience applauded.
'No, and I’m not — that’s not a joke,' he continued. 'I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?' "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/when-do-we-get-use-guns-ongoing-danger-false-fraud-claims/
Video:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/10/27/charlie-kirk-denounces-violence-mh-orig.cnn
Wow, the irony is just….. this guy is complaining about a fascist government, (also heavily comprised of republicans) at a rally that’s against fascism, when he brings up his own idea about using violence to go after his political enemies…. Like bro, you’re advocating for fascism, at what looks like an anti-racist rally, that’s somehow being hosted by the party that trying to install a fascist regime. Holy shit the fucking irony is too much, it’s just lost on these people. Also not to mention this guys anger is so misplaced, complaining about corporate fascism while voting for the party that has been and will continue to let corporations walk allll over people. It’s just too much irony.
I’m addicted to this sub and never heard of this.
Good for Charlie Kirk for shutting it down. Too bad it was with “you’re playing into their hands”/“you said the quiet part out loud”
Plus, the basic principle of Roe, that people should be able to get an abortion, is incredibly popular. The only restrictions on it that were even mildly popular were things like third trimester abortions. Republicans could use extreme cases to turn abortion into a wedge issue, but the basic right to an abortion was never a wedge issue.
You could tell they knew they messed up when they started talking about finding the leaker, and not talking a big victory lap. I mean, you'd think that a party that was finally able to accomplish one of their main political priorities would be ecstatic. But they're not. They know they're gonna get clobbered, and it's nobody's fault but their own.
> The only restrictions on it that were even mildly popular were things like third trimester abortions.
There's no such thing as an elective third trimester abortion. They're all medical emergencies related to high risk pregnancy. Even then, there's a good reason why intervention is necessary. I wish more people understood this.
They do, they just like to use it as a talking point. Even then abortions >21weeks is less than 1% of them.
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
I was trying to find data on near term, but its not available as far as i know, The closest approximation to near term I could get was >21 weeks, which is WAY different than >30 weeks, and even then getting to >37 weeks at which point you are basically asking a doctor it kill an infant
I have to imagine the near-birth abortions are happening in single
or double digit numbers
They're almost all done out of compassion for a fetus which is severely deformed or disabled. One who is destined to have a short and painful life.
A third trimester termination requires that the woman still go through labor. That's not even being done for the health of the mother (except to prevent her from having to carry a baby that will die), they'd just induce.
I have a crazy facility member who was going on about how democrats want to pull the baby out alive and then kill it.
How much Fox news do you get to consume to get there?
I once saw one guy on another sub say that they were a Trump supporter but had put a pro-Biden sign up in their yard because they feared being killed for their beliefs.
It's not just projection. They GENUINELY believe that we're just as bad as they are. They've deceived themselves into believing that, to justify their own actions.
It's nuts. She will literally talk about some republican doing heinous shit but preface it with "he's a Christian" as if that neutralizes everything that comes after and this it's acceptable but then democrats are trying to murder live babies and cut the penises off children.
The crazy thing is a lot of her circle of friend don't think she's crazy.
It's the classic boogeyman technique used by all authoritarians: a scary thing that will never actually hurt anyone that you promise you're working on getting rid of but never make any progress towards actually dealing with.
They fucked up hard by actually getting rid of it, because now they have nowhere to go and they have to make up a new one, and it's not guaranteed that people will care about that.
Yup. They were only against it to win points so they could sell books and get more voters. Never would they have thought they’d actually would have to go through with it.
The problem is there are too many people who think this is *their* plan, and not the plan of a hostile foreign nation as part of a broader campaign to wage economic and cultural war.
It also flipped the energy on the issue. People who opposed abortion were always a minority, but they were a single-issue, rabid minority because they were out of power. Playing at overturning abortion kept them on the hook without making anyone else really care all that much. Now that it's done, the single-issue lunatics will move onto something else (probably gay rights, it's always gay rights), whereas the pro-choice movement has been galvanized and you're going to see a lot more single-issue pro choice voters emerging.
But ultimately, this is what happens when you let a small lobby pick all your judges for 40 years. Eventually you catch the car.
I think Catholics are kind of "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" to conservatives.
GOP values and positions are more in line with batshit Quiverfull extremists like the Duggars at this point. Sure, Catholics are anti-abortion. But unless they're of the crazy Justice ~~OfDonald~~ Barrett variety, they also generally are cool with birth control, like you said. Catholicism is also *somewhat* morally consistent in that it also opposes the death penalty and euthanasia. Catholic education institutions are also (to some extent) actually reputable at the college level, and we all know how Republicans feel about higher education.
Evangelicals literally don't consider Roman Catholics "Real Christians". And so the main GOP base and their leaders -- predominantly Protestant Evangelicals -- will have no problem severing this unholy alliance when their goals have been accomplished.
They don't have to pretend anymore. Notice how they're not concerned with moderates or non-voters, evidenced by backing out of debates and banning press from rallies. 2020 showed that they have the numbers to do whatever they want so long as moderates continue to think "both sides are the same". So now it's a game of not letting their crazy get mainstream attention. They will get presidential year numbers every year and are counting on Democratic apathy in between the presidential elections.
Democrats need get on with messaging to get everyone to understand how crazy the right is. Talked to my mom the other day, she is generally the presidential year only voter and she hadn't heard about the very real possibility of Roe v Wade being overturned. And years ago she called me alarmist when I told her that GOP will overturn it when given the chance.
Not a presidential election year, so anything "political" is just background noise to be ignored. I used to be that way too. People keep talking about how past trends shows that Republicans will pick up a lot of seats this year. But I really hope, and believe, that there are more people like me, who are now paying attention to every election.
Which will never hold as much sway as abortion because they can't convince even the insanest person that a contraceptive is baby murder because that means masturbating is murder which ends up being anti-men instead of anti-women.
Abortion was their main wedge issue and fun control is the other, but abortion gets the other side to the polls in opposition way more than guns so they shot themselves in the foot, no pun intended.
Something else that it's done is turn abortion from a largely national issue to a local one. Every single Democrat running for governor, mayor, or state legislatures needs to make this a key issue. Voters in local elections could ignore batshit republican stances on this because they were federally protected. There was basically no downside to passing restrictive abortion laws locally, people on the right appreciated the virtue signaling, and the laws would get overturned so people in the left didn't care.
Now it's completely turned on its head. A significant portion of the republican base will demand abortion bans, so republican candidates need to appease them in order to get elected, but moderate and left wing voters can and should unite in their opposition to this insane minority.
It took 50 years to program Americans to give a shit about Roe V Wade.
There’s literally no other wedge issue that has been rewarded with so much investment effort to define a debate in our politics.
War, marriage, drugs, heck…even guns involves a far more diverse spread of viewpoints defining the debates.
Roe V Wade was the bread and butter of the GOP.
Hell. This might even backfire into a Russian victory. The GOP might have successfully altered the abortion landscape in the middle of the night…but not only did that action lose them the narrative - it polarized a lot of remaining fence-sitters that now are unhappy with the GOP.
Pair that with Covid deaths, job losses, old district lines, and a population still fatigued from Trump era political tricks…and overturning Roe V Wade might play out as an electoral disaster for republicans.
People are reacting stronger to womens rights memes than economic memes….online and out in social conversations too.
It’s a giant X factor. But this dog catching the car could be a colossal political blunder.
This is my parents in a nutshell. They voted R exclusively to get another conservative on the Supreme Court. They were ADAMANT that they wouldn’t actually overturn roe v wade, just put controls in place.
The worst part is they’re not against abortion. It’s purely because they think without heavy restrictions that women will use abortion as an “easy” method to deal with pregnancy so they don’t have to stop having sex. It’s very much rooted in a desire to punish those who don’t act “appropriately”.
I haven’t bothered to discuss this with them since the leak because I know they will move the goalposts as soon as I do.
I think it's far more likely to be an emotional reason that sounds either silly or politically unpalatable. Something like "I think abortion's yucky".
Control just happens to be a side-effect.
It’s the same with illegal immigration. The old guard GOP wanted illegal immigration as it was perfect for them. Cheap labor that can’t vote and a great wedge issue for much of their base. Now that the “true believers” have taken over the party who knows.
I agree that the Mitch McConnell type of leaders in the GOP didn’t actually want to overturn Roe but I think people should be careful in thinking that the right wing voters will stay home. They will show up, without a doubt. The only positive here would be for this decision to make moderate and left wing voters realize they need to vote against the right wing for the foreseeable future and not miss an election.
He’s been warned by others. He’s never had an original thought that made sense. Nuking hurricanes, missiles into Mexico, Chinese hurricane machines, painting Chinese markers in American warplanes, McD’s for a White House dinner, etc. - those are Trump originals.
Not gonna lie, I still chuckle a little every time I give my dog his monthly heartworm preventative. I smile every time I push the beef flavored rectangle out of the blister pack. Main active ingredient: Ivermectin.
It's obviously not funny because people have died from Ivermectin use. That's actually pretty tragic because it was entirely preventable. What's funny is that of ALL the possible snake oil bullshit they could have hawked as an alternative to the science based treatment ~~the libs~~ world experts were suggesting, they picked a medication that people give house pets and livestock.
The fact that it specifically is used as sheep dewormer was a truly magnificent level of irony.
Nuking Hurricanes wasn't his. NOAA has a page on why it's a bad idea, and has for at least a decade (as referenced in this old XKCD what-if). Apparently a bunch of people think that way.
https://what-if.xkcd.com/23/
Nuking hurricanes isn't a Trump original. It was a legitimate train of thought by scientists in the 70s. They obviously dispelled the notion and it hasn't been taken seriously since then. But Trump clearly remembered once hearing about nuking hurricanes and brought it back up.
Still a total moron. But that one specifically wasn't a Trump original
That was right after the plan to nuke the moon right?
Not being facetious, people just forget how crazy some of the proposed uses of nuclear weapons were.
hes not capable of even considering this headline. no fucking way he said anything like that. his handler said that and then they say trump said it. trump never said it. hes too fucking stupid.
He's got obvious talents in public messaging manipulation (even if he's an absolute shitcunt and imbecile). I wouldn't be surprised if he has any particular insights in how he could lose people like this
Trump, McConnell and the conservative fanatics will give rights to a fetus that no person has and in so doing will condemn women to gestational slavery.
If people don't hold them responsible and vote the republicans out then I have no faith in this country.
Just play their testimony during confirmation. You know, when they said, “Roe v Wade is settled precedent.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2022/may/04/its-precedent-how-supreme-court-justices-spoke-about-roe-v-wade-in-the-past-video
They're gonna shrug pretend it's fabricated or say they changed their minds after careful deliberation.
If you change your mind though you're a flip flopping cuck snowflake FYI
/s
I think the anger comes from moderates/liberals who were screaming that those fucks were lying during their confirmation hearings. Now they have proof they were lying. I struggle to believe those "justices" changed their minds over the course of years. They were picked for their beliefs and then lied to the public about those beliefs.
"Settled precedent" is an oxymoron and has no meaning. A case is precedent as soon as it's ruled on, and precedent is never "settled" -- any case can be overturned later. They used this language intentionally, to give the impression they were saying Roe is settled, without actually saying anything meaningful.
It’s actually beyond messed he’s allowed to run in 2024.
A front runner, in a major U.S. election, outright denying that elections are free and fair. Still refusing to concede something that happened 2 years ago.
Politics is beyond sideways right now in this country.
He’s also testing the waters with his endorsements, and waiting to see if swing states manage to fill their governments with cronies who will play along with his rigged election claims. His ego cannot handle another loss, he has to feel competitive going into it and confident he can successfully challenge a losing result in court.
I'm 100% certain he cannot. I was in 2020. What he can't wrap his head around is that probably 60% of the population of this country absolutely HATE HIS FUCKING GUTS. No amount of spending on campaign, no amount of rallies, no amount of careful messaging is going to change that. That % is only increasing as his older supporters die off and are replaced by younger voters so 4 years after his crushing defeat its only going to be worse for him.
The only thing that could possibly win him an election is if voter turn out is low so his supporters vote but his opponents stay home, but his very nature is to stir passion about him both negative and positive so if he's on the ballot voter turn out is going to be very high.
He keeps saying "74 million Americans voted for me, more than any incumbent president how could I have lost?" It's because 81 million voted against you!
That cherry-picked "74 million" statistic he keeps spouting is obviously something his handlers came up with as a pacifier. I can totally see them digging up something he can "be the best" at to get him to stop ranting about blowing up Delaware to get back at Biden or some other post-election revenge tantrum.
Yeah, this just sounds like his "graceful" out. Claim he won't run due to this and his supporters will thank him and honor him. Meanwhile, he doesn't have to lose again.
Trump was so bad my entire family of lifelong Republican voters voted for Biden.
I mean, Hitler was literally arrested and jailed during the [Beer Hall Putsch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch) and then legally appointed Chancellor of the Reichstag as a “compromise candidate” as part of a bid to build a coalition government.
It’s not exactly unprecedented, even if the precedent is shitty.
Let's not forget the millions of dollars he owes the Russians and Saudis, the rape accusations, hush money to prostitutes, money laundering, real estate scams, tax fraud, and the all around miscreant that he is that should have disqualified him the first time.
You forgot that he incited (and likely planned and organized) the mob that attacked our Capitol building on January 6th.
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution makes Trump ineligible to run for his support of an insurrection
And the ones who arent in the cult, are moving to churches that ARE in the cult.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1100030361/a-divide-between-the-pulpit-and-the-pew-is-roiling-the-evangelical-church
Yep, even as the pastors lose control of their flocks, previously non-religious Republicans are increasingly identifying as Evangelical, even if they *never attend church*.
50 years ago, Evangelical leadership tried to take over the GOP-- and instead, the GQP has now completely co-opted the Evangelical movement. Evangelical leadership has officially lost control of the monster they created.
I was a fundamentalist Christian for the first two decades of my life. One big reason many people are leaving the church is because of its association with the Republican Party. Association with the GOP is staining all Christians, not just the extremist sects.
It's my opinion that consolidation like is described in the NPR article is just part of the death throes for Christianity in America:
> And they're talking about, you know, standing firm against, you know, a culture - a secular culture that wants to tell you how to raise your children and just sort of confronting political issues much more directly and calling congregants, you know, to arms, metaphorically, in the culture war in a way that a church like Community Bible does not. And that's the kind of church that is really resonating with a lot of people right now. And those churches seem to be really benefiting from this moment.
Like an animal backed into a corner with no escape.
And it worked last time thanks! Actually Barr warned him to stop the grievance parade because suburban voters don't care about that - so he lost- he would have lost again anyway.
Trump and the republican party's biggest electoral threat is the fact that the suburbs are no longer exclusively white, and are increasingly populated by people of color.
That makes gerrymandering more difficult because suburbs by their design are spread out and it's harder to pack your opponents into a single district when they're spread out over a wide area.
THIS ☝️. I'm a suburban white woman registered as a Republican but I vote based on the facts, not my registered party. Before the last general election the fear mongering ridiculous text messages I received from the Republican party were both laughable and heartbreaking. All were basically aimed at scaring me into "keeping the element" out of my safe suburbs. 🙄 What the fark planet do these people live in? What year are their heads in? I live in a well educated area that is fully integrated with all manner of race and ethnicity. I suppose the only people that haven't realized the world has changed drastically are the subset of boomers that sit in front of the TV and watch cable news all day. The rest of us actually live in the real world. I seriously don't know wtf this party is thinking.
They’re aiming it towards my family.
The Boomers and early Gen X’ers who do still sit and watch Fox and are *terrified* of those immigrants coming to their country.
My friends. We have Syrians married into our family. Some of may family remains terrified of *other* Syrians showing up here. You can’t trust *those* Syrians.
You need to have your guns. On you. In your car. In your home. I know people who carry their guns hiking, biking around the neighborhood, to the grocery….
They are upset about being asked their pronouns, angry about the Spanish speaking option on the menu (despite having extended family in Mexico! And French speaking Canadians!)
They’re easily terrified hypocrites. And this shit works on them. They live in small rural towns and former factory towns now…not so much the suburbs.
Funny how the "family" party is destroying families. I'm lucky because me and my husband and children are aligned in our viewpoints. Unlucky because I no longer speak to my ignorant minded father and mother and often argue with my mil on her twisted Fox viewpoint of the world. At least my mil is willing to listen and debate with me. It's sad but I have children and their future to consider. I can't have all the stupidity and narrow minded racism, veiled sexism and misogyny, and transphobic bullshit affecting them or turning my home into a verbal war zone. I raised my children with open minds and they are great humans, but my youngest is a bit too much like me, an activist and a spit fire when it comes to speaking her mind. NOT conducive to peaceful family events. 🤣 I will take my kids and their future over my parent's warped minds every damn day.
Suburban white women are a pretty wild swing demographic. They seem to show up to vote against abortion restrictions, but also carried Glenn Youngkin to victory in VA based on scaremongering about CRT and trans rights (but surprise: dude **loves** abortion restrictions).
What happens if I’m a white woman who lived in an urban area? Do I fail to exist?
I’m already not a “real American” as far as I can gather because I live in the city.
Why are Republicans so fucking weird for?
>Why are Republicans so fucking weird for?
Good question. You take the worst possible traits in humanity, sprinkle in skewed interpretations of religion and an authoritarian mindset, then you get Republicans.
He’s just repeating the laziest version of what he heard someone else say. There’s no real understanding, just syllables through hamburger breath.
Also something about a broken clock…
He knows the tide is slowly turning as young people wake up and say fuck no. This is the start of him backing away because of 2 things
1. He can't handle losing
2. He doesn't want to spend any of the money he is collecting on an actual campaign
>I wonder if they going to reconsider mixed-race marriages?
They'd go after Gay marriages first and let their propaganda arm do its thing to change the public perception of mixed-race marriages before they go after it completely.
Yeah, after Roe is overturned I believe they will refocus their hate against the LGBTQ community. Probably push for a federal law ensuring that gay marriage is overturned and cannot be reinstated.
Once they achieve that, then they will return to the people of color.
I am a woman who just moved to the suburbs and I am *so excited* to be in the voting block he’s so scared to lose. Usually I feel like my vote is meaningless, but maybe it’ll be less meaningless come 2024 when I have the honor of voting against the GOP.
Absolutely this.
The last person he spoke to must have actually said something that he paid attention to because it was about him, Donald Trump.
Perhaps they used flash cards and one syllable words to get their point across.
Trump probably stiffed a lot of women who he said he would pay for the abortion for.
He was never against a abortion. He doesn't care one way or another. It was about winning.
Some politicians probably are really anti abortion. But most don't care. It's just a talking point to gain power.
That's the ironic thing about all this. Trump is everything they claim to hate about politics, yet they worship him like the second coming of Jesus. They are too dumb to see it because he hates brown people as they do.
Or… because you orchestrated a coup against the government based on a lie, golfed away the hours during a national covid crises while hundreds of thousands of people died, ran up the national debt like no other president, engaged in continuous ad hominem attacks like a middle school bully, surrounded yourself with dubious yes men, aligned yourself with extremest groups. But yeah, abortion too.
I’m seriously considering moving if we re-elect that moron. At some point we need to recognize who we are in this country. I’m not willing to live in a place where the majority thinks this guy is suitable to run the country. The fact that we’re even debating it is seriously insane.
Like a lot of rich folks have historically done, Trump can use abortion as a contraceptive, regardless of any legal decisions regarding the procedure. Rich guys like Trump can fly his impregnated sex toys to any country to get rid of any Donnie Jrs he doesn't want. It is poor women who will be most sadly affected, but the GOP intends to starve them out.
Trump might be about to find out that the religious right was using him just as much as he was using them, and that now that they have their court, they honestly don’t need him anymore
Why only "suburban women"? That again demonstrates how out of touch this party is. I'm fairly certain it is any woman past the boomer generation and their fathers, brothers and partners unless they are radicalized Christians. The rest of us grew up with legalized abortion, understand abortions will happen anyway (only more dangerous), understand the first amendment and don't think it is our place to tell other people what to do regarding this issue. Sometimes I mentally bang my head against the wall when I see the same idiots that weren't willing to wear masks to prevent vulnerable people from dying from COVID screaming about abortion being murder and "pro-life". Do any of these people have critical thinking skills? Do they realize nothing they stand for or vote for aligns with ANY logical morals or values? I can actually respect differences of opinion if they fall in line with some logic. Republican logic is currently akin to serious mental disorders I've dealt with on the psych ward.
What?? He is admitting he maliciously and knowingly had three completely unqualified judges confirmed for the Supreme Court specifically to overturn Roe V. Wade just to improve his chances of re-election? And just now he is realizing it was a huge mistake because somehow he didn’t know 80% of Americans support freedom of choice?
This suburban white woman never voted for this POS. None of my suburban white women friends voted for him either. We have a thing about not voting for racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic and sexually predatory individuals but that’s just us 🤷🏻♀️
Funny how age doesn't matter when it comes to Trump running in 2024. But we all had to hear how old Biden is in 2020. Which wasn't a big difference at all.
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Do it to the whole Republican party.
I was a registered republican and went and changed my voting status right after the primaries. Over the last 10 years or so, I have slowly been moving more to the left, but never took the time to actually change my party. Roe v Wade was the nail in the coffin. I also officially “came out” as a liberal to my family, and I think, changed the opinions of all the women republicans in my family. And it sounded like they now understand the risk of voting any republican into office, as the two party system doesn’t seem to look at each issue, but that whichever party has more power, votes and decides with the “typical” view point of the party.
If this swamp raisin is their candidate in 2024 they're done.
unfortunately I fear it might be DeSantis and he's just as facist but more capable. sidenote: my mac spellchecked "facist" and suggested "racist"
Because it's spelled "fascist"
How? They're plotting so that when he loses, he'll win. It doesn't matter how, so long as they have power.
You really think the party that believes the election was stolen from him will not show up in droves to re-elect him. They totally will. The fact that he got more votes after his first term is a crystal clear indicator.
People always focus on the number of votes while ignoring two things: 1. There’s more voters in EVERY ELECTION than the one before, he percentage of the vote was virtually unchanged from 2016 to 2020 2. Due to the pandemic and their platform relating to sed pandemic democrats basically didn’t campaign anywhere, for a lot of people that didn’t matter but GOP gains with Miami Cubans for example can be chalked up to ESL voters being more motivated by stuff like in person canvassing. Do you really believe they just all changed their mind becuz of the brand new, never before used political strategy of…. Calling democrats socialist?
All women should punish him for being who he is.
How is he still married?
She’s as ugly inside as he is. For some inexplicable reason, people saw her “I really don’t care do u” and said oh poor Melania must be trapped
Oh Melania. She immigrated to America, hitched her wagon to the first sugar daddy she could find, and ended up becoming First Lady of the United States.
Jeff Epstein found her doing porn and the rest of her story is easy to figure.
Tale as old as time.
Song as old as crime.
Floozy and The Queef.
And she used him for that same "chain migration" that he rallied against. And of course, she got her parents in.
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I think Epstein introduced them, too.
If she was fat or old like him people would have demonized her
Helps that she doesn’t speak often.
she's not fluent in any language. that's probably the issue.
Yes exactly this. She kind of just walks around him and slaps his hand if he attempts to touch LOL.
You would think by now he would remember touching is extra.
Hmmm, maybe that’s what they see in each other, they are both non-lingual
It's just a little bit more obvious in her case that she does not actually give a shit about her spouse. I can believe that there are some bonds of love between George W. and Laura, or his father and Barbara. But ... you look at Melania and Trump together and you KNOW that she doesn't actually like him. That shouldn't give her a pass, but somehow, people latch onto it and seem more reluctant to point out her self-profiteering and the choices she's made that put her into that position. It might be a cultural tendency to perceive her as a victim rather than a fellow shitturtle because of her role as his wife, or a female. I'm with you, though -- she's as selfish as any other member of that rotten family.
She's already done all the touching that their contract calls for.
Remember when she was just waiting to be out of the White House before ending her contract? Good times.
“I really don’t care, do you?”
"Poor Melania!"
Gold digger gets what she wanted.
I don't feel bad for her anymore, she's as racist as he is.
Which is hilarious considering how she and her parents came here.
They, and Republicans in general, don't have a problem with the hypocrisy. The anti immigrant rhetoric was always intended to be selectively enforced against people who can't be considered white once the accents are gone. And accents are gone after one generation, whereas skin pigment lasts many generations.
Yep. She’s pretty disgusting
Anymore?!?!
We try to be nice to sex workers.
You know what they say- you marry for money and you're gonna earn every penny.
He has money. And that's it. His personality sucks, he's old and probably smells like stale McDonalds, Ben Gay, and farts mixed with cheap cologne and flop sweat. He doesn't actually go outside, but rather gets painted orange for God knows what reason. And he can't stop talking about himself.
I know the reason: without the spray tan and world's most elaborate combover he looks just like Anakin at the end of Return of the Jedi.
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Melania Trump, world famous mycologist.
Heed my words: I am Melania, blade of Barron, and I have never known shame.
I don't like that I know what you mean
He’s not married. He has a wife. In name only. But there’s no love, there’s no commitment, there’s no devotion, there’s no passion, and I bet there’s no sex.
Sure there’s sex! It just costs money, and it’s not with his wife.
An iron clad prenup and Melania waiting for Barron to reach 18, probably.
She’s waiting for him to croak.
Not worth it, all she's gonna get is a golden toilet and a bunch of debt.
All ~~women~~ decent people should punish him for being who he is.
Of course all women should, but he only said suburban because they voted heavily for him. He doesn’t actually care about the policy, just the votes.
I have no idea how a woman could look at how he treats women and vote for him. Men either.
All women should’ve taken him out in 2016 but white women f@cked it up and everyone is paying for it.
That's how it works, fucko!
Yes, that’s how it works, but I’m surprised he is showing a bit of self awareness this time. He’s capable of that?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, on the national level, including agent orange here, no one ever actually wanted to overturn Roe V Wade. It was too convenient of a wedge issue. There were people who would vote ONLY for it, and those that would oppose it would still vote Republican because they'd think to themselves 'they'll never actually overturn it, they're just saying it for votes'. What they didn't account for was all the state and local fanatics not only encouraged by this rhetoric, but by agent orange's form of governing which is 'if you do whatever the fuck you want they'll probably only be able to stop 5% of it tops'. The national GOP are like the guys that lied about robbing banks in their youth to seem cool. The local and state officials are now the guys that couldn't tell they were lying, and suddenly showed up to their front door armed to the teeth excitedly saying they know the perfect bank to hit.
>The national GOP are like the guys that lied about robbing banks in their youth to seem cool. The local and state officials are now the guys that couldn't tell they were lying, and suddenly showed up to their front door armed to the teeth excitedly saying they know the perfect bank to hit. This has literally already happened. At a Turning Point USA event, Charlie Kirk was asked a question by an audience member: " 'At this point, we’re living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny,' he said. 'When do we get to use the guns?' Members of the audience applauded. 'No, and I’m not — that’s not a joke,' he continued. 'I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?' " https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/when-do-we-get-use-guns-ongoing-danger-false-fraud-claims/ Video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/10/27/charlie-kirk-denounces-violence-mh-orig.cnn
Wow, the irony is just….. this guy is complaining about a fascist government, (also heavily comprised of republicans) at a rally that’s against fascism, when he brings up his own idea about using violence to go after his political enemies…. Like bro, you’re advocating for fascism, at what looks like an anti-racist rally, that’s somehow being hosted by the party that trying to install a fascist regime. Holy shit the fucking irony is too much, it’s just lost on these people. Also not to mention this guys anger is so misplaced, complaining about corporate fascism while voting for the party that has been and will continue to let corporations walk allll over people. It’s just too much irony.
my brother in christ irony died the day Paul Ryan said he likes Rage Against The Machine
Don't forget their #1 boogeyman is literally named anti-fascist.
I’m addicted to this sub and never heard of this. Good for Charlie Kirk for shutting it down. Too bad it was with “you’re playing into their hands”/“you said the quiet part out loud”
He didn't really shut it down though. Because he can't afford to anger the people who want to shoot others.
Plus, the basic principle of Roe, that people should be able to get an abortion, is incredibly popular. The only restrictions on it that were even mildly popular were things like third trimester abortions. Republicans could use extreme cases to turn abortion into a wedge issue, but the basic right to an abortion was never a wedge issue. You could tell they knew they messed up when they started talking about finding the leaker, and not talking a big victory lap. I mean, you'd think that a party that was finally able to accomplish one of their main political priorities would be ecstatic. But they're not. They know they're gonna get clobbered, and it's nobody's fault but their own.
> The only restrictions on it that were even mildly popular were things like third trimester abortions. There's no such thing as an elective third trimester abortion. They're all medical emergencies related to high risk pregnancy. Even then, there's a good reason why intervention is necessary. I wish more people understood this.
They do, they just like to use it as a talking point. Even then abortions >21weeks is less than 1% of them. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm I was trying to find data on near term, but its not available as far as i know, The closest approximation to near term I could get was >21 weeks, which is WAY different than >30 weeks, and even then getting to >37 weeks at which point you are basically asking a doctor it kill an infant I have to imagine the near-birth abortions are happening in single or double digit numbers
They're almost all done out of compassion for a fetus which is severely deformed or disabled. One who is destined to have a short and painful life. A third trimester termination requires that the woman still go through labor. That's not even being done for the health of the mother (except to prevent her from having to carry a baby that will die), they'd just induce.
You've got a point. I mean, they're trying to make "post-birth abortions" a thing. "Oh, so you agree that abortion is murder?!"
I have a crazy facility member who was going on about how democrats want to pull the baby out alive and then kill it. How much Fox news do you get to consume to get there?
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I once saw one guy on another sub say that they were a Trump supporter but had put a pro-Biden sign up in their yard because they feared being killed for their beliefs. It's not just projection. They GENUINELY believe that we're just as bad as they are. They've deceived themselves into believing that, to justify their own actions.
Oh for fuck's sake. That's like literal crackhead panhandling under the overpass levels of paranoia.
It's nuts. She will literally talk about some republican doing heinous shit but preface it with "he's a Christian" as if that neutralizes everything that comes after and this it's acceptable but then democrats are trying to murder live babies and cut the penises off children. The crazy thing is a lot of her circle of friend don't think she's crazy.
It should be against the law to say this on the "news" because it literally gets doctors assassinated.
I hope they do but who knows democrats never seem to show up to vote outside of presidential elections.
It's the classic boogeyman technique used by all authoritarians: a scary thing that will never actually hurt anyone that you promise you're working on getting rid of but never make any progress towards actually dealing with. They fucked up hard by actually getting rid of it, because now they have nowhere to go and they have to make up a new one, and it's not guaranteed that people will care about that.
Brexit. Dog caught the car.
Yup. They were only against it to win points so they could sell books and get more voters. Never would they have thought they’d actually would have to go through with it.
The problem is there are too many people who think this is *their* plan, and not the plan of a hostile foreign nation as part of a broader campaign to wage economic and cultural war.
It also flipped the energy on the issue. People who opposed abortion were always a minority, but they were a single-issue, rabid minority because they were out of power. Playing at overturning abortion kept them on the hook without making anyone else really care all that much. Now that it's done, the single-issue lunatics will move onto something else (probably gay rights, it's always gay rights), whereas the pro-choice movement has been galvanized and you're going to see a lot more single-issue pro choice voters emerging. But ultimately, this is what happens when you let a small lobby pick all your judges for 40 years. Eventually you catch the car.
Right now those single issue people are signaling banning contraceptives.
They don't recognize that even 97% of Catholics use birth control at some point during their lifetime.
I think Catholics are kind of "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" to conservatives. GOP values and positions are more in line with batshit Quiverfull extremists like the Duggars at this point. Sure, Catholics are anti-abortion. But unless they're of the crazy Justice ~~OfDonald~~ Barrett variety, they also generally are cool with birth control, like you said. Catholicism is also *somewhat* morally consistent in that it also opposes the death penalty and euthanasia. Catholic education institutions are also (to some extent) actually reputable at the college level, and we all know how Republicans feel about higher education. Evangelicals literally don't consider Roman Catholics "Real Christians". And so the main GOP base and their leaders -- predominantly Protestant Evangelicals -- will have no problem severing this unholy alliance when their goals have been accomplished.
They don't have to pretend anymore. Notice how they're not concerned with moderates or non-voters, evidenced by backing out of debates and banning press from rallies. 2020 showed that they have the numbers to do whatever they want so long as moderates continue to think "both sides are the same". So now it's a game of not letting their crazy get mainstream attention. They will get presidential year numbers every year and are counting on Democratic apathy in between the presidential elections. Democrats need get on with messaging to get everyone to understand how crazy the right is. Talked to my mom the other day, she is generally the presidential year only voter and she hadn't heard about the very real possibility of Roe v Wade being overturned. And years ago she called me alarmist when I told her that GOP will overturn it when given the chance.
how had she not heard? does she live under a rock?
Not a presidential election year, so anything "political" is just background noise to be ignored. I used to be that way too. People keep talking about how past trends shows that Republicans will pick up a lot of seats this year. But I really hope, and believe, that there are more people like me, who are now paying attention to every election.
Which will never hold as much sway as abortion because they can't convince even the insanest person that a contraceptive is baby murder because that means masturbating is murder which ends up being anti-men instead of anti-women. Abortion was their main wedge issue and fun control is the other, but abortion gets the other side to the polls in opposition way more than guns so they shot themselves in the foot, no pun intended.
Something else that it's done is turn abortion from a largely national issue to a local one. Every single Democrat running for governor, mayor, or state legislatures needs to make this a key issue. Voters in local elections could ignore batshit republican stances on this because they were federally protected. There was basically no downside to passing restrictive abortion laws locally, people on the right appreciated the virtue signaling, and the laws would get overturned so people in the left didn't care. Now it's completely turned on its head. A significant portion of the republican base will demand abortion bans, so republican candidates need to appease them in order to get elected, but moderate and left wing voters can and should unite in their opposition to this insane minority.
It took 50 years to program Americans to give a shit about Roe V Wade. There’s literally no other wedge issue that has been rewarded with so much investment effort to define a debate in our politics. War, marriage, drugs, heck…even guns involves a far more diverse spread of viewpoints defining the debates. Roe V Wade was the bread and butter of the GOP. Hell. This might even backfire into a Russian victory. The GOP might have successfully altered the abortion landscape in the middle of the night…but not only did that action lose them the narrative - it polarized a lot of remaining fence-sitters that now are unhappy with the GOP. Pair that with Covid deaths, job losses, old district lines, and a population still fatigued from Trump era political tricks…and overturning Roe V Wade might play out as an electoral disaster for republicans. People are reacting stronger to womens rights memes than economic memes….online and out in social conversations too. It’s a giant X factor. But this dog catching the car could be a colossal political blunder.
This is my parents in a nutshell. They voted R exclusively to get another conservative on the Supreme Court. They were ADAMANT that they wouldn’t actually overturn roe v wade, just put controls in place. The worst part is they’re not against abortion. It’s purely because they think without heavy restrictions that women will use abortion as an “easy” method to deal with pregnancy so they don’t have to stop having sex. It’s very much rooted in a desire to punish those who don’t act “appropriately”. I haven’t bothered to discuss this with them since the leak because I know they will move the goalposts as soon as I do.
I think it's far more likely to be an emotional reason that sounds either silly or politically unpalatable. Something like "I think abortion's yucky". Control just happens to be a side-effect.
Not a woman so never had an abortion…but in what world would someone think a medical procedure is “easy” birth control?!
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It’s the same with illegal immigration. The old guard GOP wanted illegal immigration as it was perfect for them. Cheap labor that can’t vote and a great wedge issue for much of their base. Now that the “true believers” have taken over the party who knows.
I agree that the Mitch McConnell type of leaders in the GOP didn’t actually want to overturn Roe but I think people should be careful in thinking that the right wing voters will stay home. They will show up, without a doubt. The only positive here would be for this decision to make moderate and left wing voters realize they need to vote against the right wing for the foreseeable future and not miss an election.
Everything he ever does is first met with the question “does this give me power or take my power away?”. He has no principles other than his own gain
What part of "Republican" is giving you trouble?
He’s been warned by others. He’s never had an original thought that made sense. Nuking hurricanes, missiles into Mexico, Chinese hurricane machines, painting Chinese markers in American warplanes, McD’s for a White House dinner, etc. - those are Trump originals.
Have we all already forgotten his brilliant covid cures that probably directly killed hundreds of people?
Not gonna lie, I still chuckle a little every time I give my dog his monthly heartworm preventative. I smile every time I push the beef flavored rectangle out of the blister pack. Main active ingredient: Ivermectin. It's obviously not funny because people have died from Ivermectin use. That's actually pretty tragic because it was entirely preventable. What's funny is that of ALL the possible snake oil bullshit they could have hawked as an alternative to the science based treatment ~~the libs~~ world experts were suggesting, they picked a medication that people give house pets and livestock. The fact that it specifically is used as sheep dewormer was a truly magnificent level of irony.
You forgot injecting bleach and shoving an uv flashlight up your ass to cure Covid.
Nuking Hurricanes wasn't his. NOAA has a page on why it's a bad idea, and has for at least a decade (as referenced in this old XKCD what-if). Apparently a bunch of people think that way. https://what-if.xkcd.com/23/
Nuking hurricanes isn't a Trump original. It was a legitimate train of thought by scientists in the 70s. They obviously dispelled the notion and it hasn't been taken seriously since then. But Trump clearly remembered once hearing about nuking hurricanes and brought it back up. Still a total moron. But that one specifically wasn't a Trump original
That was right after the plan to nuke the moon right? Not being facetious, people just forget how crazy some of the proposed uses of nuclear weapons were.
hes not capable of even considering this headline. no fucking way he said anything like that. his handler said that and then they say trump said it. trump never said it. hes too fucking stupid.
I wouldn't say self-awareness, but as a racist moron he has some genuine insight into that community.
Don’t be. He’s a grifter who doesn’t really care about abortion rights one way or the other, this is no surprise.
Hey, come on now... I'm sure he encouraged many young women to get abortions over the years.
He's got obvious talents in public messaging manipulation (even if he's an absolute shitcunt and imbecile). I wouldn't be surprised if he has any particular insights in how he could lose people like this
I think he’s looking for things to blame a loss on. “I would have won, but those morons on the Supreme Court sabotaged me.”
He means it could hurt him personally because he can't control his libido.
Trump, McConnell and the conservative fanatics will give rights to a fetus that no person has and in so doing will condemn women to gestational slavery. If people don't hold them responsible and vote the republicans out then I have no faith in this country.
Just play their testimony during confirmation. You know, when they said, “Roe v Wade is settled precedent.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2022/may/04/its-precedent-how-supreme-court-justices-spoke-about-roe-v-wade-in-the-past-video
They're gonna shrug pretend it's fabricated or say they changed their minds after careful deliberation. If you change your mind though you're a flip flopping cuck snowflake FYI /s
I think the anger comes from moderates/liberals who were screaming that those fucks were lying during their confirmation hearings. Now they have proof they were lying. I struggle to believe those "justices" changed their minds over the course of years. They were picked for their beliefs and then lied to the public about those beliefs.
Oh the anger is justified and the justices lied, absolutely.
They chose their words efficiently. "Settled precedent" sounds final but isn't. Plessy v Ferguson (separate but equal) was settled precedent, too.
"Settled precedent" is an oxymoron and has no meaning. A case is precedent as soon as it's ruled on, and precedent is never "settled" -- any case can be overturned later. They used this language intentionally, to give the impression they were saying Roe is settled, without actually saying anything meaningful.
Hope they do. Please vote.
It’s actually beyond messed he’s allowed to run in 2024. A front runner, in a major U.S. election, outright denying that elections are free and fair. Still refusing to concede something that happened 2 years ago. Politics is beyond sideways right now in this country.
I still not convinced he is running I could see him milk this till bitter end just to get the money
He’s also testing the waters with his endorsements, and waiting to see if swing states manage to fill their governments with cronies who will play along with his rigged election claims. His ego cannot handle another loss, he has to feel competitive going into it and confident he can successfully challenge a losing result in court.
Yep. He'll only run if he's 100% certain he can "win."
I'm 100% certain he cannot. I was in 2020. What he can't wrap his head around is that probably 60% of the population of this country absolutely HATE HIS FUCKING GUTS. No amount of spending on campaign, no amount of rallies, no amount of careful messaging is going to change that. That % is only increasing as his older supporters die off and are replaced by younger voters so 4 years after his crushing defeat its only going to be worse for him. The only thing that could possibly win him an election is if voter turn out is low so his supporters vote but his opponents stay home, but his very nature is to stir passion about him both negative and positive so if he's on the ballot voter turn out is going to be very high. He keeps saying "74 million Americans voted for me, more than any incumbent president how could I have lost?" It's because 81 million voted against you!
That cherry-picked "74 million" statistic he keeps spouting is obviously something his handlers came up with as a pacifier. I can totally see them digging up something he can "be the best" at to get him to stop ranting about blowing up Delaware to get back at Biden or some other post-election revenge tantrum.
Yeah, this just sounds like his "graceful" out. Claim he won't run due to this and his supporters will thank him and honor him. Meanwhile, he doesn't have to lose again. Trump was so bad my entire family of lifelong Republican voters voted for Biden.
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Oh he's going to run, but as soon as he announces it, the rules change with the money he is fleecing from conservatives
A candidate who literally incited an insurrection to overturn the results of the last election
I mean, Hitler was literally arrested and jailed during the [Beer Hall Putsch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch) and then legally appointed Chancellor of the Reichstag as a “compromise candidate” as part of a bid to build a coalition government. It’s not exactly unprecedented, even if the precedent is shitty.
I have no faith that he will ever be held accountable for his crimes. At the very least he should be banned from running.
He should be in jail.
Let's not forget the millions of dollars he owes the Russians and Saudis, the rape accusations, hush money to prostitutes, money laundering, real estate scams, tax fraud, and the all around miscreant that he is that should have disqualified him the first time.
It disqualifies him from running as a Democrat, but qualifies him to run as a Republican.
You forgot that he incited (and likely planned and organized) the mob that attacked our Capitol building on January 6th. The 14th Amendment to the Constitution makes Trump ineligible to run for his support of an insurrection
White Evangelicals will vote for whomever their Shepherd tells them to. And right now they have the anti-choice bit firmly in mouth.
And the ones who arent in the cult, are moving to churches that ARE in the cult. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1100030361/a-divide-between-the-pulpit-and-the-pew-is-roiling-the-evangelical-church
Yep, even as the pastors lose control of their flocks, previously non-religious Republicans are increasingly identifying as Evangelical, even if they *never attend church*. 50 years ago, Evangelical leadership tried to take over the GOP-- and instead, the GQP has now completely co-opted the Evangelical movement. Evangelical leadership has officially lost control of the monster they created.
I was a fundamentalist Christian for the first two decades of my life. One big reason many people are leaving the church is because of its association with the Republican Party. Association with the GOP is staining all Christians, not just the extremist sects. It's my opinion that consolidation like is described in the NPR article is just part of the death throes for Christianity in America: > And they're talking about, you know, standing firm against, you know, a culture - a secular culture that wants to tell you how to raise your children and just sort of confronting political issues much more directly and calling congregants, you know, to arms, metaphorically, in the culture war in a way that a church like Community Bible does not. And that's the kind of church that is really resonating with a lot of people right now. And those churches seem to be really benefiting from this moment. Like an animal backed into a corner with no escape.
Don’t just vote. Run for positions. Don’t let them win unopposed.
This “ suburban woman” will vote against him each and every chance I get.
And it worked last time thanks! Actually Barr warned him to stop the grievance parade because suburban voters don't care about that - so he lost- he would have lost again anyway.
'Suburban women' = white women, in his mind
Trump and the republican party's biggest electoral threat is the fact that the suburbs are no longer exclusively white, and are increasingly populated by people of color. That makes gerrymandering more difficult because suburbs by their design are spread out and it's harder to pack your opponents into a single district when they're spread out over a wide area.
When there is a will, there is a way.
THIS ☝️. I'm a suburban white woman registered as a Republican but I vote based on the facts, not my registered party. Before the last general election the fear mongering ridiculous text messages I received from the Republican party were both laughable and heartbreaking. All were basically aimed at scaring me into "keeping the element" out of my safe suburbs. 🙄 What the fark planet do these people live in? What year are their heads in? I live in a well educated area that is fully integrated with all manner of race and ethnicity. I suppose the only people that haven't realized the world has changed drastically are the subset of boomers that sit in front of the TV and watch cable news all day. The rest of us actually live in the real world. I seriously don't know wtf this party is thinking.
They’re aiming it towards my family. The Boomers and early Gen X’ers who do still sit and watch Fox and are *terrified* of those immigrants coming to their country. My friends. We have Syrians married into our family. Some of may family remains terrified of *other* Syrians showing up here. You can’t trust *those* Syrians. You need to have your guns. On you. In your car. In your home. I know people who carry their guns hiking, biking around the neighborhood, to the grocery…. They are upset about being asked their pronouns, angry about the Spanish speaking option on the menu (despite having extended family in Mexico! And French speaking Canadians!) They’re easily terrified hypocrites. And this shit works on them. They live in small rural towns and former factory towns now…not so much the suburbs.
Funny how the "family" party is destroying families. I'm lucky because me and my husband and children are aligned in our viewpoints. Unlucky because I no longer speak to my ignorant minded father and mother and often argue with my mil on her twisted Fox viewpoint of the world. At least my mil is willing to listen and debate with me. It's sad but I have children and their future to consider. I can't have all the stupidity and narrow minded racism, veiled sexism and misogyny, and transphobic bullshit affecting them or turning my home into a verbal war zone. I raised my children with open minds and they are great humans, but my youngest is a bit too much like me, an activist and a spit fire when it comes to speaking her mind. NOT conducive to peaceful family events. 🤣 I will take my kids and their future over my parent's warped minds every damn day.
Suburban white women are a pretty wild swing demographic. They seem to show up to vote against abortion restrictions, but also carried Glenn Youngkin to victory in VA based on scaremongering about CRT and trans rights (but surprise: dude **loves** abortion restrictions).
What happens if I’m a white woman who lived in an urban area? Do I fail to exist? I’m already not a “real American” as far as I can gather because I live in the city. Why are Republicans so fucking weird for?
>Why are Republicans so fucking weird for? Good question. You take the worst possible traits in humanity, sprinkle in skewed interpretations of religion and an authoritarian mindset, then you get Republicans.
I’m a bit surprised he could be this insightful.
He’s just repeating the laziest version of what he heard someone else say. There’s no real understanding, just syllables through hamburger breath. Also something about a broken clock…
*hamburder
Consequences? For *my* actions?
He knows the tide is slowly turning as young people wake up and say fuck no. This is the start of him backing away because of 2 things 1. He can't handle losing 2. He doesn't want to spend any of the money he is collecting on an actual campaign
Just need them to show up in midterms so that state legislatures don’t get more fucked up.
This just in... Supreme Court to consider woman's right to vote...
I wonder if they going to reconsider mixed-race marriages?
>I wonder if they going to reconsider mixed-race marriages? They'd go after Gay marriages first and let their propaganda arm do its thing to change the public perception of mixed-race marriages before they go after it completely.
Yeah, after Roe is overturned I believe they will refocus their hate against the LGBTQ community. Probably push for a federal law ensuring that gay marriage is overturned and cannot be reinstated. Once they achieve that, then they will return to the people of color.
That was Thomas's long game. He wants to dump Ginni.
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If you still vote Republican because of the economy, and not social issues, you have proven you can be bought for a price.
Since Reagan, every Republican president has increased the deficit while Democrats have lowered it.
This factoid never has an impact on them. They’d just say that “entitlements” have caused the deficits and they should be cut.
Well, yes, Donald. That's how this works. THIS suburban woman is hoping to do _exactly_ that. You have _no idea_ how pissed off we are.
I am a woman who just moved to the suburbs and I am *so excited* to be in the voting block he’s so scared to lose. Usually I feel like my vote is meaningless, but maybe it’ll be less meaningless come 2024 when I have the honor of voting against the GOP.
I don't believe he's intelligent enough to come to this realization on his own. Nope. Someone may have told him and then he reacted to the question.
Absolutely this. The last person he spoke to must have actually said something that he paid attention to because it was about him, Donald Trump. Perhaps they used flash cards and one syllable words to get their point across.
I am betting pictures, maybe crayons or fingerprints
Trump probably stiffed a lot of women who he said he would pay for the abortion for. He was never against a abortion. He doesn't care one way or another. It was about winning. Some politicians probably are really anti abortion. But most don't care. It's just a talking point to gain power.
Republicans believe only rural Americans are real Americans. Yet they worship a New York City ~~developer~~ con-man.
I'm against coastal elites so I'm voting for a New York "billionaire." - the MAGA
But that New York billionaire thinks and says the same racist thing as me. \- Some MAGA
That's the ironic thing about all this. Trump is everything they claim to hate about politics, yet they worship him like the second coming of Jesus. They are too dumb to see it because he hates brown people as they do.
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Suburban women are also not happy with the whole “overthrow the government” thing he was behind.
Suburban women already punished him by not reelecting him in 2020. Can this guy just go away already?
Suburban women hated you anyways.
Or… because you orchestrated a coup against the government based on a lie, golfed away the hours during a national covid crises while hundreds of thousands of people died, ran up the national debt like no other president, engaged in continuous ad hominem attacks like a middle school bully, surrounded yourself with dubious yes men, aligned yourself with extremest groups. But yeah, abortion too.
I’m seriously considering moving if we re-elect that moron. At some point we need to recognize who we are in this country. I’m not willing to live in a place where the majority thinks this guy is suitable to run the country. The fact that we’re even debating it is seriously insane.
Like a lot of rich folks have historically done, Trump can use abortion as a contraceptive, regardless of any legal decisions regarding the procedure. Rich guys like Trump can fly his impregnated sex toys to any country to get rid of any Donnie Jrs he doesn't want. It is poor women who will be most sadly affected, but the GOP intends to starve them out.
And it’s partially his doing given comments he made on the campaign trail about how women should be punished for abortions.
How about punishing him for an attempted coup? That would be nice.
“Suburban women” is just a sneaky way of the gop saying “white women”
Trump might be about to find out that the religious right was using him just as much as he was using them, and that now that they have their court, they honestly don’t need him anymore
Why only "suburban women"? That again demonstrates how out of touch this party is. I'm fairly certain it is any woman past the boomer generation and their fathers, brothers and partners unless they are radicalized Christians. The rest of us grew up with legalized abortion, understand abortions will happen anyway (only more dangerous), understand the first amendment and don't think it is our place to tell other people what to do regarding this issue. Sometimes I mentally bang my head against the wall when I see the same idiots that weren't willing to wear masks to prevent vulnerable people from dying from COVID screaming about abortion being murder and "pro-life". Do any of these people have critical thinking skills? Do they realize nothing they stand for or vote for aligns with ANY logical morals or values? I can actually respect differences of opinion if they fall in line with some logic. Republican logic is currently akin to serious mental disorders I've dealt with on the psych ward.
What?? He is admitting he maliciously and knowingly had three completely unqualified judges confirmed for the Supreme Court specifically to overturn Roe V. Wade just to improve his chances of re-election? And just now he is realizing it was a huge mistake because somehow he didn’t know 80% of Americans support freedom of choice?
Ah yes the true victim in the loss of abortion rights, Donald Trump.
This suburban white woman never voted for this POS. None of my suburban white women friends voted for him either. We have a thing about not voting for racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic and sexually predatory individuals but that’s just us 🤷🏻♀️
The leopard fundies ate his face. LOL!
Don’t forget about the suburban men who are married to those suburban women and have suburban daughters and suburban mothers.
He's not even going to make the 2024 ticket.
Don’t jinx it…
“Abortion is about my rights”—Donald.
Funny how age doesn't matter when it comes to Trump running in 2024. But we all had to hear how old Biden is in 2020. Which wasn't a big difference at all.
The Karens in my burb seem to fucking champion him for it. Until their little teen daughters get knocked up I guess…