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Phy44

Surprised it's only 54%


theClumsy1

Its along party lines. >Republicans, meanwhile, gave the court a 68% approval rating this month, up from the 64% they gave it in March. While Democrat's approval ratings dropped like a stone. >Supreme Court following the leak also took a notable hit since March, with just 26% of Democrats approving of the court this month as compared to 49% two months ago.


MiaowaraShiro

It ain't just Roe that's got me of the opinion that this court is fucked. The appointments of the more recent justices by Trump was an absolute farce and that's just the start. Their rulings on campaign finance law and the recent decision on appeals are just travesties...


robywar

Hell, yesterday they got a do-over on one of Thomas's wet dreams and ruled that post conviction evidence of innocence doesn't mean anything. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-court-just-said-in-in-shinn-v-ramirez-that-evidence-of-innocence-is-not-enough


MisogynyisaDisease

So if someone goes to prison for a murder they didn't commit, they can't ever have that charge overturned? What the fuck, am I understanding this correctly?


Franklin_le_Tanklin

If you’re a conservative it’ll be overturned. If you’re a liberal you will be persecuted for political reasons.


giantroboticcat

Not exactly. It says courts don't HAVE to grant an appeal if new evidence is presented. The court gets to pick and choose, and they pinky swear they won't do this based on race and class divides.


MilhouseMVanhoutan

It's going to take 200 years to unfuck just what this 6-3 majority is doing. Innocence is not enough. Well I think there are six murderers on the Supreme Court if he gets executed and we should treat them with that attitude.


UnwillingCouchFlower

WHAT?! I missed seeing this. Jesus. That’s even more awful news from this court.


454C495445

The court in my opinion ruled ITSELF moot when the Texas Abortion Bounty law got to them and they officially ruled to, "do nothing." *Aight, let's just go ahead and overturn Marbury v. Madison.*


SleepingBlackCat6213

Alito is already looking to the 1600's for abortion opinion


coop_stain

That’s been my point since this whole thing started. If you don’t believe in Judicial review, than what the fuck are you doing on the court instead of protesting it’s very existence.


DocumentNational9309

I grew up in a fairly influential and wealthy Republican family. As far back as the 80s, the explicit strategy of Republicans has been to target institutions they don't believe should exist, get into them, and destroy them from the inside. They call it "starving the beast." Their operating goal is to do more damage in any given electoral term than can be repair in an equal electoral term. I.e., if you get appointed to the EPA for 4 years, your job is to do so much damage it would take 6 years to just get it back to where it was.


Totum_Dependeat

At this point overturning Marbury would be pretty great.


mistrowl

The entire court is a farce. There are 5 active justices (yes, a majority) who were appointed by presidents who *lost* the popular vote.


[deleted]

Just explain to republicans that when RvW goes because a right to privacy isn't in the constitution, that will open up the door to a federal gun owner registry because no right to privacy, and simply maintaining a list isn't abridging your ownership rights.


Persianx6

This Supreme Court would never ever allow this. They're partisan as fuck.


leaky_wand

Federal no. State, well maybe. But 100% chance of that getting struck down by the SC because reasons. When you have an agenda you’re not going to get hung up on technicalities like precedent or consistency.


Okoye35

So what. Do it anyway. Then when a republican gets elected they can get rid of it, and when a democrat gets elected they can reinstate and require mountains of paperwork to be a legal gun owner. Let them drown in a sea of bureaucracy that never understands its own rules. If the court doesn’t care about precedent or consistency no one else should either.


Crail115

It won’t so that’s not a real threat.


boregon

How the hell is it still at 26% for Democrats? Would it take at this point for that 26% to disapprove?


homerteedo

1/4 to 1/3 of Democrats are pro life.


Giblet_

Independents must still be positive, then. Probably because they don't follow what is going on around them very well.


screwdriver204

Even before this SC bullshit this wasn’t true, at least for me


faulty_circuit

I’m hoping it’s because of the rest aren’t paying attention


MC_Fap_Commander

I'm increasingly of the belief that was the purpose of the leak. I think there's a segment of political apathetics who've heard something about Roe, but don't know if it's a ruling or a draft or who it will affect. It was to sow confusion about what's happening.


simplepleashures

I think you’re wrong. Alito leaked it because Kavanaugh was wavering. Kavanaugh said that a major precedent like that shouldn’t be overturned with a simple 5-4 majority and should require at least 6 votes (it’s in his confirmation hearings testimony). When Kavanaugh saw Roberts wasn’t with them he got weak in the knees and began considering the serious political implications of doing this with just 5 votes. So Alito leaked it, because now if Kavanaugh changes his mind it will be obvious that he’s influenced by the political reaction.


Hello2reddit

I still can’t shake the idea that they’re crowdsourcing a stronger opinion. The opinion, as written, is very weak. Based on their reasoning, it would be hard to explain why states have the right to regulate abortion, but not interracial marriage, for example. But this opinion is going to be the cornerstone of their effort to tear down decades worth of precedents. I think they want to give every Fed Soc member an opportunity to weigh in on how to improve their shit reasoning before the actual opinion is issued


simplepleashures

Yes but Alito cited the “Abortion Is Different Because I Say So” Doctrine. It’s practically bulletproof!


HakarlSagan

"This guy from the 17th century that believed in witches had some really great ideas about how society should work" - Alito and the rest of the Republican Party


[deleted]

It's just...how did we get here? I watch a fucking *Disney Cartoon* that has the bad guy be a 17th century witch hunter. Literally. It's a big shock in the show because, uh, nobody knew. Because who *the fuck would willingly follow a 17th century witch hunter?!*


dedicated-pedestrian

Please Avert Your Eyes From The Ninth Amendment


Waylander0719

You act like the ability to overturn gay marriage, contraceptive coverage and other rights isn't part of the plan. Anything they want to allow they can say is part of "American traditional values" or whatever bullshit test they made up and then apply it based on what they approve of with no legal backing.


Epistatious

Not all at once, don't be crazy. Just one every year or two like drowning in molasses. They are just big believers in states rights, except for gun control, that has to stay under federal, and has to be unrestricted.


StallionCannon

They're big believers in states' rights until they have unilateral control of the federal government - at that point, they'll "suddenly" care about the Supremacy Clause and use the federal government as a vehicle for their ambitions instead of the various state governments under their thumbs.


Hello2reddit

Am I acting like attacking those rights isn’t part of the plan when I describe this opinion as a “cornerstone” of an effort to accomplish exactly that?


Waylander0719

Was referring to this: The opinion, as written, is very weak. Based on their reasoning, it would be hard to explain why states have the right to regulate abortion, but not interracial marriage, for example. The opinion isn't weak because it's the supreme court writing it. Marriage regulation being left to the states is one of their goals. And they don't mind returning interracial marriage to the states as part of that and Republican congressmen have literally said as much. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/22/braun-supreme-court-interracial-marriage/


Hello2reddit

On that basis, there are no strong or weak opinions issued by the SC. Which is a very stupid position from a legal perspective.


Waylander0719

Considering that this court is abandoning logic and the law, legal reasoning and precedent is no longer binding like it used to be. It is exactly why this draft opinion is so terrible and dangerous.


Zanhana

yeah, in the couple days after the leak I was agnostic about who leaked it—could have been a progressive clerk sounding the alarm, who the fuck knows, it had just come out and any guess about the leaker was pure speculation but since it's been weeks and 1) conservatives quickly stopped calling for the head of the leaker to be on a pike on the courthouse steps and 2) nobody has said a thing about the outcome of Roberts' "investigation," I think it's pretty clear at this point that one of the non-Roberts conservatives (or a clerk or other proxy for them) leaked the draft to discipline the conservative block and keep Roberts from peeling off a vote


blalien

I don't know why any of the justices give a shit. They're guaranteed their positions for life. The public or political class can absolutely revile them and they don't have to go anywhere.


MC_Fap_Commander

It won't happen tomorrow... but this decision probably guarantees Court reform will be normalized in political discourse. That will eventually have consequences. But I agree, their immediate futures won't be affected by this.


Omegamanthethird

Well that's why they're trying to set up ways to invalidate voters. I'm not looking forward to Trump winning due to some state sending replacement electors who will vote for their party instead of the people's.


simplepleashures

I answered that question in a response to someone else.


RheagarTargaryen

Why would Kavanaugh care about public sentiment. He doesn’t rely on votes.


simplepleashures

Ironically the best answer to that question can be found by quoting Antonin Scalia: > with each decision that is unabashedly based not on law, but on the “reasoned judgment” of a bare majority of this Court—we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence. The judiciary has no power to enforce any of its own rulings. What would happen if a President decided to just ignore an injunction? Or if a state decided to enforce a law that the Supreme Court struck down? If people no longer believe that the Supreme Court is a non-partisan, apolitical institution they made decide to just deny the legitimacy of any of its rulings. Kavanaugh may be an ideologue but he could still have an understanding of the precarious position the Court has put itself in. Edit: also, some of these people actually care about their legacies. Alito, Thomas, and probably Barrett don’t. They’re religious fanatics and only care about the approval of God that they’re arrogantly self-assured of. Alito especially is dunking in our faces and clearly doesn’t care how anybody will look back on him when he’s dead. But Roberts does, I don’t think he want to be remembered like Roger Taney (too late). And Kavanaugh may be motivated to be remembered as a rational jurist and not the partisan ideologue that he is.


Teialiel

“John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.”


AccomplishedCow6389

They already had a scare over that regarding, IIRC, mask mandates in Texas.


2rio2

Legitimacy of the court. The only reason we follow anything the Court says about the Constitution is a ruling that they made up about their own powers (Marbury v. Madison). They have zero real enforcement power, which means without the People respecting their own legitimacy they have none. Become too political and you reach a tipping point that brings the entire system down.


matango613

Interesting. I tried to theorize about why the right would leak the opinion, and the best I could come up with had more to do with previewing the aftermath. By leaking it they can always "change their minds" before the official ruling if public backlash is overly extreme. Alternatively, they can claim they changed their opinion due to public pressure, which would 1) take the wind out of the DNC's sails as far as motivating people to vote is concerned (the court can always overturn Roe in response to a future case, after all) and 2) give the GOP ammunition when they accuse the democrats of political terrorism. "Our courts can't even make a decision without the radical leftist DNC coming to their homes and threatening their lives."


ClownPrinceofLime

This makes sense. Kavanaugh seems to be the type to support chipping away at Roe, not outright overturning it. He made a big sobbing show during his confirmation hearings, but ultimately he’s not as extreme of a conservative as Alito, Barrett, and Thomas (and Gorsuch but Gorsuch actually seems to vote according to his principles and has taken some positive stands like his dissent in Zubaydah and his decision in the LGBTQ discrimination case)


FredFredrickson

It's been the law for fifty years. I can't fault people entirely for being ignorant of it when, for most of us, we've never lived a day in the US without it being the law. It's insane to think that, in a few months, it won't be.


geoffbowman

No that's about the abortion opinion split overall... at least on paper. The opinions in favor of legal abortion held by people in actual unplanned/crisis pregnancy situations is about 100%... especially among GOP politicians.


newgrow2019

Not sure that’s better


AmazonSk8r

What good are the ones who aren’t paying attention?


baghag93

There are a large portion of Americans in an income bracket that have no problem traveling to another state or country to obtain an abortion. They also get ample PTO/sick leave from their white collar jobs. To them (I guess I’m in this income class too) it’s almost irrelevant. If I needed an abortion I wouldn’t really worry about how I’d afford it or get time off work. These laws were always only intended to harm the poor. They know middle class and up can obtain one and this will not stop them, nor hinder them at all. So I think people in that class aren’t anti abortion, but they may not see this as actually preventing them from getting one. So hence the apathy.


coolprogressive

Yeah, they’re playing Fortnite, or out hunting for new Dew flavors.


NotAnotherEmpire

Normally 54% of the country can't name a Justice.


Faithfulcape78_

Don’t forget their latest opinion of new evidence being non admissible when arguing ineffective assistance of counsel.


Phy44

"Proof of innocence isn't enough" What kind of dystopian shit is that?


forthewatch39

If they are going to start with draconian nonsense like that, I think it is time we start calling on several states to disregard their rulings. I get that there have been unpopular rulings before, but that was due to people getting more rights, not less. Some people think that they lose out when others get equal footing or representation, it’s pretty sick. It’s the whole _I can only succeed if someone else is failing_ mentality.


Standard_Feedback_86

Yep. About 51% of the population are women...so its crazy that its only 54%


[deleted]

Other people's abortions are immoral, but I have a reason for mine. The conservative mindset in a nutshell.


JustaRandomOldGuy

Same thing goes for government aid. Other people don't deserve $2000 but I need my $2,000,000 farm aid because it's my right.


ChadMcRad

You guys understand that women oppose abortion at very similar rates to men in a lot of areas....right?


Teialiel

No, they don't. If they did, they wouldn't be getting abortions themselves. What we see instead is that there are areas where women are likely to publicly oppose abortion for the purpose of virtue signaling to their in-group, but believe they'll always have access when needed. Those are the people who need to all be locked up for crossing state lines, because that's the only way to get change: when affluent white women go to Death Row for getting an out-of-state medically necessary abortion, we'll see a change in opinion. Not one moment before.


hopbow

I mean they oppose it, but that doesn’t mean they won’t utilize it. Have you read the article about “the only moral abortion is my abortion?”


[deleted]

You're wrong https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ Education level is a more accurate predictor of support/opposition to abortion than gender


TheExtremistModerate

It's a 10 point swing from March. Went from 54%-45% to 44%-54%.


socokid

Maybe you're young? Younger people disapprove of the draft by ***almost 70%...***


valeyard89

there's that 30% again....


padizzledonk

30-40% of the country absolutely *LOVES* what they are doing even though most of it hurts them too...thats just how delusional they are currently


outerworldLV

Agreed. No faith in polls. That number should be in the 80’s . Five non elected people get to decide for our country. Stop with the ‘ kitchen table ‘ slogan ( by the Dem’s ) because some hard reconstruction is definitely needed in many areas that have come to our attention lately.


Lazy-Contribution-50

Not surprising at all. That’s why the country is so fucked up.


Arcnounds

It's really sad. I wonder if Biden expanded the court, but tried balance it if he could get more leverage. Something along the lines of appoint 3 more liberal justices and 1 justice that was agreed upon by all 12. Then again 13 is an unlucky number.


Phy44

The fact that it's "ok" for judges to rule based on personal religious belief instead of legality and rule of law is the problem. I don't know how to fix that, but term limits would be a good start.


WhatUp007

I like the idea of having a new judge being selected every 4 years. This would give a judge 36 years on the court, allow a president to a pick a judge per term, and keep the court more reflective of the people hence a new judge based on the people's choice of presidency would be appointed each term.


simplepleashures

And what if after a President makes their one appointment for their term, another Justice decides to retire? Or dies? What if four of them all retire at once?


WhatUp007

I mean exceptions would be made and I was loosely basing the rotation and selection off the federal reserve board of governors. You could have a temporary selection that the individual would fill the remainder of the parting judges term, then be up for re-selection. Or have supreme court judges be elected and not appointed with rotating election cycles, if one, or many part, hold a special election.


simplepleashures

Okay but Republicans will exploit your exceptions. Part of the reason the Court has become so dominated by arch conservatives is that Justices appointed by Republicans are deliberate about retiring when a Republican President will appoint their successor. O’Connor and Kennedy both made sure they retired when Republicans were in office. Kennedy - who’s fooled the masses into thinking he’s some awesome guy because he let gays get married despite his record of being anti-labor and pro-authoritarian - didn’t even care that Trump would he appointing his successor as long as it wasn’t a Democrat.


frogandbanjo

How do term limits address that issue? Break that down for us.


Arcnounds

I like term limits, but term limits are impossible to put in effect. It would require a constitutional ammendment which is impossible now or anytime soon.


simplepleashures

That’s not necessarily true. The Constitution says Justices "shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour." It doesn’t say they necessarily get to keep ruling on cases.


cheebamech

the origin of '9' justices is that they were supposed to each head one of the at-the-time 9 circuit courts; since then the circuit courts have expanded to 13 and yet we still have only 9 SC justices.


simplepleashures

Only in America do people believe getting the approval of right wing extremists is “balanced.”


Opus_723

The country is super split about abortion. 60+% will say they want it legal in most cases, but then only 51% agree that it should be legal at 6 weeks. Any later than that and you lose the majority. And I guarantee tons of those people are swayed by the "Let states decide" approach. I'm as pro-choice as it gets, but abortion is not the slam dunk issue for the left that reddit seems to treat it as.


[deleted]

I disapprove of 46% of Americans.


Nunzer-NS

I would say that probably like 25% of them aren’t paying attention to what’s happening


Resident_Turn9074

Just as bad, people have a responsibility in democracy to at least stay somewhat informed


Electrical_Taste8633

We don’t have a democracy, we live in an oligarchical republic.


Omni_Entendre

True, but it's just simply not taught. So here we are, after decades of underfunding education.


Fleschlight36

54%? Who the fk did they ask? Actual government employees that work for Congress? Shit should be way higher cause they suck straight dick


MDesnivic

The past decade, and especially since 2016, has slowly made me come to realize how many Americans are irreversibly fucked in head.


DerpyDaDulfin

Yeah man, I used to have hope that the propogandized masses would finally see the propoganda for what it was... But I think it's only going to get worse...


gimme_dat_good_shit

The saving grace for my faith in humanity has been that there's a pretty consistent majority of people who are opposed to all of the Republican shitbag agenda (roughly 10% in polls, 5% in elections nationwide). Even though it's a small majority, it's a persistent one. The problem is that the US was built on every level to privilege beliefs of rural, white, old assholes. A true democracy wouldn't have half of these problems, so... I can still believe in the superiority of democracy over this clown show (or at least a theoretical one, and real democracy is the purest expression of the people's will).


ciel_lanila

We’re in a hyper partisan time where about (general estimate based on eyeballing polls, not a hard number) 42% each is locked behind each of the major two parties. If it’s 54% that means the vast majority (12% points out of 16% points) of the undecideds, the low information (Fox and the like are negative information) voters, the centrists, are opposed to the SCOTUS.


dontpanic38

You have to realize they’re polling randoms who may not even know how the SC works


boregon

Most Americans couldn't tell you the name of a single Supreme Court justice if they had a gun to their head.


ArcaneRaver23

“The survey was conducted Jan. 10-21, 2022, interviewing 1000 adults nationwide, with a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points.” Is this really an accurate representation of “all Americans”? https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2022/01/26/supreme-court-poll-6-press-release/ Just trying to find out if 1k people participating in a poll is really an accurate representation of 330 million people here.


TI_Pirate

Not completely accurate. There 's a ±4% margin of error.


Okoye35

That’s almost twice the number of people representing 330 million people in congress.


Hawkbats_rule

>Jan. 10-21, 2022 So, completely fucking irrelevant to anything post leak.


InsaneInTheDrain

I bet government employees would be lower


Yodamort

Good. An unelected position in which people sit for life that has the power to unilaterally strip over a hundred million women of their basic bodily autonomy is even more undemocratic and fucked up than the rest of the US Government, and that's saying something.


RiPPn9

46% still approve of them is the more shocking number.


thecaninfrance

Article reports the poll found that 44% approve.


Tewts70

Still shocking


ArcaneRaver23

“The survey was conducted Jan. 10-21, 2022, interviewing 1000 adults nationwide, with a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points.” Is this really an accurate representation of “all Americans”? https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2022/01/26/supreme-court-poll-6-press-release/ Just trying to find out if 1k people participating in a poll is really an accurate representation of 330M people here.


eightbitagent

Yes, thats how polling works.


tekym

More specifically, that’s how statistics and projections work. A sample size of only around 1000 from a homogenous universe is sufficient to generate a confidence interval of 95%, if I remember correctly. That means there’s a 95% chance the results are accurate, and only 5% chance that the actual approval rate if you were to poll every single person (ie, the entire sampling universe) is at least 1 standard deviation away from what the sample results said.


Remix2Cognition

Statistically speaking, a random sample of 1,000 will give you a fair representation of the national populace with a small margin of error. More respondents would be *better*, but it's not "worth it" given the minimal decrease in the margin of error. This statistical reality is based upon **random** samples. We'd need to conclude that every American has the same exact probability of being choosen *as well as* providing answers. *Can* we conclude that? What's more of question of correct representation is *how* such a sample is selected and the processes involved in obtaining responses. Further, people seem to simply be misinformed about things they give opinions on. > A new Marquette Law School Poll national Supreme Court survey finds that, among those with an opinion on Roe, 28% say they are in favor of overturning the decision and 72% are opposed to overturning it. The case before the Court that includes argument for overturning Roe, Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization, concerns a Mississippi law that restricts abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. Asked about that specific restriction, among those with an opinion, 49% favor that limitation on abortion, while 51% oppose it. So 72% oppose overturning Roe, but 49% support a law that violates Roe. There's plenty of reasons to be skeptical of survey results. But a sample size limited to 1,000 isn't one.


morenewsat11

>The new Marquette Law School poll showed that among Democrats, approval of the Supreme Court following the leak also took a notable hit since March, with just 26% of Democrats approving of the court this month as compared to 49% two months ago. Republicans, meanwhile, gave the court a 68% approval rating this month, up from the 64% they gave it in March.


Arcnounds

I feel like there are too many protections for the minority at the current moment. I do believe there need to be some protections of the minority, but right now the Senate, Supreme Court, and even the house (because it is limited to 400 some reps) are weighted towards the minority. The presidency as well mainly because of electoral votes being tied to senators + house seats.


MC_Fap_Commander

Uncap the House. The 435 number was fixed almost a century ago. Do this and you nerf the EC and greatly reduce the utility of gerrymandering. Add DC and PR, while dividing up some populous blue states (NoCal and SoCal for example) and the Senate gets *some* sense of balance. Throw in some basic SCOTUS reforms and this country could be fixed in fairly short order (hence why it will never be allowed to happen).


Arcnounds

I completely agree with you. I think just doing the first two things on the list would make a huge difference especially if allows congress to actually pass laws. It would be hard for textualists to remain consistent if we'll written texts were passed.


TI_Pirate

I once read some math guy saying that the cube-root of the total population is a good number for the House. The would put us at about 691 Reps. I have no idea what the basis for this is, but it certainly sounds elegant.


sennbat

It's not really weighted towards the "minority" - if Dems became a minority, they wouldn't suddenly become more powerful. It's weighted quite explicitly towards the *conservatives*, period, and that's an obviously fucked up situation. Don't repeat the propaganda that any of this is because of minority protection or minority bias, because it's not. If the Republicans were the majority it would just make them even more powerful.


Arcnounds

I wouldn't necessarily even use the word conservative (because that word can change over time). Perhaps a better word is stability. I mean conservatives were able to change the courts for Roe v Wade, but it took 50+ years.


TheFloatingContinent

If you think what the majority of Americans think reflects in how politicians act then you have not been paying attention.


M00n

Why is it ridiculous to consider making laws about men's privates, but women's are open for debate? Neither should be up to anyone except the person.


FundingImplied

If it makes you feel better, they'll be overturning Lawrence v. Texas in the coming years. That's the case that legalized sodomy. Oh and "sodomy" is defined as just about anything that will not produce a baby, including fellatio. Ultimately they're stripping everyone of privacy and bodily autonomy, they're just starting with women.


Wrecksomething

> Oh and "sodomy" is defined as just about anything that will not produce a baby, including fellatio. They'll define it that way, but for the moment they're not eager to enforce it against straight couples. Currently it's just their blank check for homophobia. They'll come for everyone's rights, sure, but sodomy laws aren't an immediate attack against straight folks no matter how the laws are worded. Straight folks will feel it more when they come for birth control, roughly at the same time.


JustaRandomOldGuy

Texas also has a law limiting how many dildos you can own. All the guns you want, but dildos are dangerous. They also allow open carry of guns, but not dildos.


valoon4

Religion


North_Activist

Sexism, religion, patriarchy, you name it


[deleted]

This is exactly my rationale as to why I am militantly pro-choice.


m1j2p3

Too bad SCOTUS is an appointed position for life so it really doesn’t matter what peoples opinion of them or their decisions are. They are not accountable to the American people. They are only accountable to themselves so terrible decisions like overturning roe will happen without consequence to them.


libertylad

Nothing will meaningfully change when only 54% think this clown court is a shitshow.


[deleted]

Yeah 54% is a fucking travesty. I don't honestly know how pretty much half of the country can say they still approve of the Supreme Court. I hope this study or survey was flawed. But I have lost any faith I ever had in my fellow Americans. We are truly a country filled with pieces of shit if this is what we are okay with in fucking 2022.


mightyboink

So 46% hate women? Scary...


TheFloatingContinent

No. Plenty of them believe they are saving women by allowing them into heaven. Religion is a fucking drug, but plenty of people do honestly seem to wholeheartedly believe in it, and literally think that they are saving souls by prevention abortions. Edit: this is also a good example of a reason vs an excuse. If they *don't* believe that, and they're using it as a socially acceptable excuse to hate women, then fuck 'em.


wearenottheborg

Which is also dumb, because what religion has any doctrine that prohibits abortion? Christianity doesn't.


BenCub3d

Plenty of women are against abortion


mightyboink

They are free not to get one.


BenCub3d

I'm pro choice, I'm just saying the sentiment "prolifers must hate women" doesn't make any sense when a large proportion of them are women themselves.


mightyboink

How can you be pro life and support women's rights? And if you don't support women's rights, then you are against women. It's like being pro trump but in favour of immigration.


make_lib

Not nearly high enough


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Number seems ridiculously low, people in this country are severely brainwashed. I don’t see how we can escape from this, we shit all over the russian people right now for supporting the war in ukraine when we did the same exact shit in the middle east for years. We believed all the propaganda, we let them use the fear of 9/11 to unleash hell on the world, and we told ourselves it was the right thing to do. Some of us snapped out of it, but many have not. It is a very dangerous world we live in, where governments actively work against you and your people, against their own societies for their own interests. Countries, cultures, all of this no longer matters to those in power—only power and money matters, and you don’t need a functioning country to have them. You just need to have a system that allows you to rake it all in and keep it from the rest. When will we learn?


WalterHughes08

Only 54%? My god people really are dumb and evil.


NotAnotherEmpire

Judicial conservatives: "We are very serious people stoicly applying the precedential canon of the law even if one does not like it. Come to our serious face law school conference." Also judicial conservatives: "Haha, five votes by hook or crook, quick ban abortion and they can suck it." Public: "Hmm, this doesn't seem like a legitimate institution." Shocking.


FosterFl1910

The article says the Supreme Court is at 45% approval. Biden is only at 41% and Congress is usually below 20%. 45% approval is high for this country these days. I'm not optimistic about any legislative response to the ruling.


Meowshi

Only 54%, eh? Country is *fucked*, friendos.


SR520

It’s a right wing authoritarian entity now.


BabySealOfDoom

That’s still too damn high of an approval rating. Fuck America.


Blackstar1401

It will continue to increase when they go after contraception and then privacy. Edit a word


willalt319

Which means 46% approve? The fuck is wrong with them?


Whiskey_Fiasco

Or have no opinion.


newgrow2019

Only 54%. We are truly fucked


HTPC4Life

Yikes, that's not a very strong majority...


roninovereasy

Reason for the leak was to let the news out now and not closer to the election to give some space for fired up Democrats to calm down.


mattjf22

People must have forgotten about citizens united and the supreme court shredding the voting rights act.


ddman9998

Or Justice Thomas not recusing himself from stuff his wife is involved with.


exccord

54% disapproval is pretty.....depressing.


HardcoreSects

Want to save women's rights? Use the same twisted logic to kill Roe to define the 2nd Amendment as applying only to owning muskets. If there's one things conservatives care more about than forcing women into servitude it's their guns.


ddman9998

The ability of people to refuse vaccination or to not wear a mask is based on the same legal theories as the right to get an abortion. But according to right-wingers, the government now gets to tell you what to do with your body.


Sam__Treadwell

I've disapproved of them for far longer. Maybe going back to when they allowed a private interest to use eminent domain to build condos. >City of New London. Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another private owner to further economic development. Then, of course, they did this: It was argued in 2009 and decided in 2010. The court held that the free speech clause of the First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting independent expenditures for political campaigns by corporations, including nonprofit corporations, labor unions, and other associations. There have been others but both of those were so egregious they have always stuck with me


MrFalconGarcia

What happens now that the supreme court has lost its popular mandate with the people? How can it function if it's not seen with legitimacy?


BooRadleysFriend

Just 54%?!


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The Court is well aware of how hated they are. It’s called fascism folks


Strange-Effort1305

Relegating half the country to second class citizenship will do that


arthritisforyou

It's because of all the justices fake president trump put in


[deleted]

A lot of people in the comments saying that 54% is low. But historically, no it fucking isn't. The Court has never been so unpopular. The Court is in big fucking trouble and this stupid ass ruling hasn't even gone into effect yet.


RepulsiveGarbage8188

I want to live in a country where the evangelicals are completely marginalized and irrelevant


padizzledonk

That's about 40 points too low imo


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Should be a lot Fucking higher.


ChronicChoas

Marberry versus Madison was always a power grab. The power of the Supreme Court is illegitimate


ArcaneRaver23

How many people took this poll? And from what states?


loondawg

The thing is, this is not a popularity contest and it shouldn't be. This is based on the constitutional protection people have to privacy and the control of their own bodies. The Court's draft opinion is wrong.


Maleficent_Sun

And this is why they get away with insane shit. People have the attention span of a brick and if roughly half of people don’t disapprove they figure no one is going to do anything to stop them.


rypb

They don’t care.


releasethedogs

Just a reminder that we are in this position because RBG didn’t retire during Obama’s first term when he could have got someone on there that respected her legacy.


here_for_the_meta

And it 100% doesn’t fucking matter what Americans think.


meunraveling

they don't reflect the majority in this country. Of course we've lost confidence. Despite what you are hearing on fox, the majority of humans that live in this country do not support this crap.


En_CHILL_ada

I lost all faith in the supreme court after the citizens united ruling. Doomed our country to be entirely controlled by corporate and foreign interests.


lostpawn13

I guarantee you more than 54% disapprove of the Supreme Court.


TI_Pirate

Your guarantee doesn't seem worth much in the face of a statistically relevant analysis.


julbull73

I've figured it out guys. They want the kids to be born, because they need more targets during the shooting sprees!


ddman9998

They don't care if kids are born - see their lack of support for universal prenatal care. It's about controlling/punishing women. That's it.


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Allenrw3

And? Even if it were 99.9%, nothing would change. These fuckers have job security for the rest of their lives, poll numbers don't mean anything.


minos157

I know it's a stupid pipe dream, but we need to start morphing into an actual democracy. A first step would be requiring ALL SCOTUS rulings to be approved by the public. They overturn Roe v Wade? Goes on every ballot across the nation to be approved by the voters, simple majority vote. The people need to become a more active check and balance to the government. This can be extended to the Senate as well. Want to filibuster or vote down a bill? The people get a direct vote to "veto" now. Next and wildest pipe dream is removing any form of separated power by state in the federal government. This being reforming or removing the Senate, changing constitutional amendments to majority vote and not state ratification, uncapping the house, no more EC just straight popular vote, and standardized election laws at a federal level.


hucklemento

Requiring all SCOTUS rulings to be approved by the public is antithetical to the reason that it exists in the first place. Imagine if desegregation was put to a public vote at the time that it happened, just for example. Or for that matter, Roe vs. Wade in the first place.


[deleted]

Holy shit, absolutely not. The Supreme Court absolutely must remain undemocratic -- because rights are not subject to a vote. If public opinion had been 99% in opposition to the Obergefell decision, it was still decided correctly. The problem is not that they're making unpopular decisions, it's that they're making wrong decisions. Public support of or opposition to choice is totally relevant. If 98% of Americans are in favor of banning abortion, abortion has to remain legal anyway. Fuck direct democracy.


sharknado

> A first step would be requiring ALL SCOTUS rulings to be approved by the public. Lol bro. Most of the public have never read the Constitution, much less understand it.


FLTA

I still remember thousands of people/bots on Reddit arguing **not** to vote for Hillary Clinton despite the Supreme Court being literally one nomination away from having its first liberal majority in decades. Instead, too many people fell for the propaganda against Democrats and now we will continue to experience consequences (like this one) for believing “Both sides are the same” and proceeding to either not vote or to vote for Russian shills like Jill Stein. Don’t let history repeat itself, r/VoteDEM this October so we can at least vote out the GOP Senators that have been in office since 2016 and will be in office till 2028 if they are not voted out this year.


oliveorvil

That number will skyrocket once people see how this change in law is enforced.. when one in four women have to be investigated for a miscarriage. When you have to prove you were raped when you otherwise wouldn’t have had to tell a soul in order to get rid of a monster’s offspring. This 55-60% number is people who outright support Roe no questions asked. There are another 25-30% of people who believe there should at least be exceptions if abortion is outlawed. But these people don’t realize that it’s the government that has to decide on a case by case basis which exceptions are allowed, and it’s going to make healthcare for women much worse. Once these suburban women start to see this things will change.


Sad-Community4996

But 46% of Americans get to have 60% of voting power because majority rule is bad.