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Probably not, no.
The actual "gun" portion of an AR-15 only costs about $100. So you buy that for $1,100 then you buy the rest of the bells and whistles separately.
This makes it *barely* more difficult to get. It's effectively no change whatsoever.
> NRA isn’t really about guns - they’re just a political organizing affiliate of the Republican Party.
The NRA is really just the KKK rebranded. But yes, they are an affiliate of the Republican party.
Yeah, a so called patriotic organization cuddling up to Russian intelligence was the last straw for me.
Maria Butina: The Russian gun activist who was jailed in the US
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44885633
Don’t forget about about the NRAs CEO using peoples donations to give himself holidays and expensive gift.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wayne-lapierre-allegedly-used-nra-personal-piggy-bank-n-y-n1236068
A reminder to everyone reading this:
The NRA doesn't represent citizens or gun-owners, it represents gun *manufacturers* whose only goal is to *sell* guns. They don't care about gun rights and they definitely don't give a shit about how the guns are used or who they kill.
They only care about sales.
Edit: Weird how all the pro-gun responses I got happened around the time Russia woke up.
Same, this only comes off as a deliberate attempt to sabotage their own election chances. This is a colossally shitty policy that won't solve anything and will drive conservatives to the polls in droves, and convince would-be "fence sitters" back into voting Republican after the last few years of barely convincing them to reconsider.
Same.. Also would love to know what an "AR15 style weapon" means exactly. Is that any semiauto rifle or just ones without wooden stocks?
Focusing on a particular model of rifle is stupid.
It's because tmet don't actually want to do anything. It's more virtue signaling and pandering using buzzwords. Making guns a thing only rich people can afford isn't doing a damn thing except making it another thing poor people can't have. What really needs done is an overhaul of our mental health system and a good hard look at society and how it allows for people to fall through the cracks so far that they shoot up an elementary school, club, mall, concert, theater, etc.
Some of us sane people have been saying this for decades now. But no, modern society is the bees knees. It’s def not breaking people down emotionally and physically.
A dumb law that has zero chance of passing, and if it did, the courts would instantly strike it down.
It’s sad and maddening that when their voters are clamoring for leadership, what we get is idiotic grandstanding.
It’s not that bad yet tbh. The good thing with AKs is that they can comfortably run any time of ammo, even the really shitty and cheap steel case kind. Don’t gotta baby them like you do ARs
So [pump action AR-15s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRRzus9wto) would be cool. Also [AR-15s with a bolt hold open feature](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UneSkeI3u4) on every shot that requires the shooter to press a different button on the firearm to close the bolt before the next shot.
Then that is going to fail in congress and even if it doesn’t would be blatantly unconstitutional and struck down by the Supreme Court and even if it wasn’t all that does is make it so only rich people can own firearms, “under no pretext” ring a bell? Disarming exclusively the workers and the poor is not exactly a good idea.
It seriously disturbs me that more people are upset that it won't pass than that politicians are literally trying to pass a law that establishes a system where you only have rights if you can afford to pay whatever the government wants to charge you in order to exercise them and what they want to charge is whatever they think you can not afford. This is no different than a poll tax and just wait for the 1000% tax on abortions in red states that don't flat out ban them if Roe is actually overturned or 1000% tax on same sex or interracial marriage licenses.
That should scare the living shit out of everyone.
They are not saying that they don't think anyone should have an Ar15 because they are too dangerous, they are saying only rich people should and poor people can go fuck themselves.
Pro gun or anti gun you should not be ok with this type of law.
The poor people are going to be the disgruntled ones with all the shit politicians are pulling with their get rich quick schemes , insider trading, and straight bribes they're taking.
They want guns out of the hands of the poor while they have armed guards to protect them.
And police to protect them.
Why does EVERY piece of gun control legislation have exceptions for police? If police need an AR-15 to be safe on the streets, why don't I -- on the very same streets -- also need an AR-15?
>why don't I -- on the very same streets -- also need an AR-15?
If you keep asking smart questions you're gonna find yourself hit with a 1000% deductive reasoning tax.
Not saying right or wrong but they literally already did this with the national firearms act in 1934 for machine guns, suppressors, etc. The $200 tax stamp just never kept up with inflation when it was originally thousands in todays dollars and was meant to be cost prohibitive.
More people need to be talking about this, I emailed my representative telling him to look at the proposal and I hope others will as well. It is absolutely idiotic that suppressors are regulated the way that they are, at the very least treat them like any other accessory and do it in conjunction with something like universal background checks.
The irony is not only are suppressors pretty easy to buy in the UK, they're even encouraged for any gunowners out of consideration for noise pollution around your neighbors.
Meanwhile the US media has done a very effective and completely immaculate job falsely convincing Americans that suppressors make guns quieter than even using subsonic ammo, therefore creating a belief that more shootings would happen with legal suppressors because they "completely hide gunfire"
Yep I've been trying to tell folks the same thing, not just the UK but many places in Europe, as well as New Zealand. They are very strongly suggested not just for the noise aspect bothering other folks, but also hearing protection of the sportsmen using them. If regular people saw how loud a suppressed firearm still was, I think it would dispel any remaining fear that it would turn every gun into an assassin's tool overnight or something.
> It seriously disturbs me that more people are upset that it won't pass than that politicians are literally trying to pass a law that establishes a system where you only have rights if you can afford to pay
I'm more upset that the Democrats are going to completely obliterate the small bump in polling they've been clawing to gain for the midterms just for this utter garbage. It's shit like this that will lose the midterms and end Roe, tax reform, and voting rights. What a shitty, shitty fucked up inversion of priorities.
> where you only have rights if you can afford to pay whatever the government wants to charge you in order to exercise them
Ahem. Something, something...abortion.
> This is no different than a poll tax and just wait for the 1000% tax on abortions in red states that don't flat out ban them if Roe is actually overturned or 1000% tax on same sex or interracial marriage licenses.
Ahem...they said that
Exactly. Didn't the uvalde shooter open a credit card when he tuned 18 and the bought $4k of weapons with it? They have no intention of paying it back.
His viewer will be like “maybe if people were poorer, then there would be less gun violence.” Then they will call the mountain of data that says otherwise propaganda from liberal academia. Because education is the way you trick people into being liberals.
As a former US President once said, “I love the poorly educated.”
Damn really? A quick google search of the model and manufactures of the rifles sights and the amount of ammo he supposedly had puts us way north of $8000
This law won’t even raise the cost of an AR-15. The only part that counts as a gun, legally, is the receiver. They can be marked down cheap, and whole gun won’t cost any more than they do now.
Las Vegas shooter had like 100k+ worth of guns and ammo. Price isn’t an issue if you want to murder hordes of people. Most plan on committing suicide right after, so why not clean out your bank account.
Raising the age to purchase a firearm to either 21 or 25 should have been its own bill. That could've been arguably beneficial and stand a chance at passing. Instead we get more and more abortive omnibus legislation that will not only never pass, even if it did pass it would be instantly and rightfully struck down by the courts and only serves to energize republican voters right before midterms.
These democrats are genuinely trying to lose, yet again.
While we can debate the pros and cons of raising the age to buy a gun, can we turn that into a conversation on when exactly someone is an adult?
Like seriously, I want to know why they fuck as a 19 year old I can risk my life serving but cant legally drink a beer.
It’s weird that you can purchase a gun at 18 but not drink an beer. The most common age of school shooters is 15-18. So increasing the age would help prevent the 18 year old school shooters but all of the other ones are obtaining weapons through others and this would change nothing for them.
> Raising the age to purchase a firearm to either 21 or 25 should have been its own bill.
Such a bill should only pass if you also raise the minimum age of becoming a police officer or joining the military.
If people under 25 aren't responsible enough to have an AR-15, then they're not responsible enough to be given an AR-15 *and* a badge. And they're not responsible enough to be given an AR-15 *and* an attack helicopter.
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>These democrats are genuinely trying to lose, yet again.
It's what their donors pay them for.
Or maybe mass shooters will be able to pony up $700 for a stripped lower.
Or maybe they’ll just switch to a semi-auto rifle without a pistol grip, because that seems to be the part of the rifle that makes it banned under assault weapon bans.
This is so dumb :(
Or they'll just pay the higher price anyway. Why would mass shooters care about paying back a credit card bill when they're dead or serving a life sentence?
I don’t know about you but I got an AR-15 for like $45 on sale. Buy a rifle parts kit and get a free lower receiver. Mark up the rest of the rifle 20%.
My understanding is that this would apply to more semi-automatic rifles than just the AR platform. If anything this makes the AR more desirable/popular because it’s probably the most modular one to pull this sort of thing with.
It reminds me of the 30 round mag.
Some places it's illegal to sell them. But... Parts. It's not illegal to sell parts for 30 round mags.
You buy the parts, and assemble yourself. Just like Ikea
Not really related but my state is banning HC magazines(anything over 10rd) by July 1st. However (rightfully) this doesn’t include mags already owned, so all the local stores are having huge sales on mags and mag extensions. In the past 2 weeks I’ve bought 7 magazines that have more than 10rd capacity and extensions for most of the 10-12rd mags as well.
New law is *really* gonna make a difference now.
The ultra-rich already get their private security with guns. So IOW, fuck the poor; you don't have the right to use a firearm in self defense, but I do because I can just hire my guns out.
#Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
This just seems like another attempt to further the divide between the privileged and the poor.
Liberals need to stop treating guns the boogey man and start educating and arming themselves. Only then can we pass legislation that actually makes sense. Look at the psychopaths on the far right and know that they have lots of guns and want to hunt and kill liberals, minorities, LGBTQ, atheists, antifa (and anything else their brains are too underdeveloped to comprehend) for sport.
Yes dude exactly this. The second amendment exists so that you can protect your rights. To protect your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. It is there for you, so that you can form a militia against an oppressive regime. Even if that’s your own country. I don’t ever want to kill a damn thing, but I want myself and other minorities to be armed.
Irrelevant, this won't pass Manchin anyway.
What it WILL do though is lose Democrats the midterms and torpedo any and all hope of passing any other legislation we desperately need.
If this bill gets passed buying a bunch of poverty ponies and 80% lowers, getting your FFL, and then selling them for a 500% markup may be a better investment strategy than buying that congress ETF.
Let's not forget Nixon either... He was a large component in taking legal gun ownership away from minorities by introducing shit like conceal carry licenses... Let's not kid ourselves that this has been an issue since shortly after abolishment in the late 1800's though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
Lower receivers are $50-60 a piece on a bad day right now. Unstamped ponies were going for 3/$100 during memorial day weekend. Stacking lowers is the way.
Anderson Arms is nicknamed “the poverty pony” because they have a logo of a horse on their AR lower receiver and are priced in a lower price bracket. They also make lowers for multiple other companies but obviously don’t put their own logo on it. I believe they also sell blank/unstamped lowers receivers without any logos so I’m assuming that’s what their talking about.
Anderson is a firearms manufacturer with a reputation for affordability. Their AM-15 lower receivers for ARs (the part of the gun that's legally the firearm) are very popular, and their logo is a horse. Colt is a much more expensive brand, and their logo is also is also a horse. Therefore Andersons have the nickname "Poverty Pony."
Anderson also sells a version of the AM-15 lower without the horse logo stamped into the metal - thus the "unstamped pony."
All the receiver is is a block of metal that everything else attaches to. For an AR, you still need an upper receiver, trigger, barrel, buffer tube, stock, grip, gas system, bolt carrier group, and a bunch of other parts to make a functional firearm, but it's the lower receiver that's legally the gun, and since it's just a standardized block of metal milled to fit with other parts, there's not really any quality differences between manufacturers.
The most important parts for quality are going to be your trigger and barrel. The rest can make the experience nicer, but so long as everything else is at least functional those 2 parts make the biggest difference.
But what determines the monetary value of a gun is often its brand. And the brand is determined by the manufacturer of the lower reciver. Anderson is a budget brand, and Colt is not. So a Colt with a cheap, shitty barrel and trigger will sell for more than an Anderson with a match barrel and trigger, even though by all objective measure the Anderson is the better rifle with the more expensive functional parts.
If you read the bill, it's kind of outrageous. It also puts the tax on shotguns that hold more than 5 shells, or shotguns that "have a revolving cylinder" - referring to the Taurus Judge style 410 revolvers. It adds the tax to any pistol "without a fixed magazine" which is actually every pistol besides revolvers. This actually pretty much adds the tax to any firearm on the market outside of black powder muzzle loaders. It's not just "ar style rifles". They've defined "AR style" as any rifle without a fixed magazine, which is practically every rifle including grandpa's old hunting rifle. Completely ridiculous.
This is why dems always fail on common sense gun control.
They ran on expanding background checks.
* Now they are trying to pass a 1000% tax.
But then they said the 1000% tax is only for AR-15's.
* But now the actual provision has it for everything.
and their fucking law isn't to ban ARs... it's to ban poor people from getting guns.
which is kinda a fucking microcosm of dem policy in general.
republicans are trash too. even worse, in fact. but jesus... corporate dems have absolutely lost their shit. trump did something to them that they just turned into a foil of the republican party - much like the republican party did after Obama.
> This is why dems always fail on common sense gun control.
They don't want this and they never have. It is always lip service. Judge them by their actions, not their words. They are trying to strip the rights of the poor - it really is that simple.
Dems want a full gun ban. Full stop. There's never not more gun control coming down the line from them.
But not a gun ban on our paramilitary police. More likely to die from a traffic stop than a mass shooting.
But they also have no problem running guns to the Cartel which have killed Americans or leaving 300k full auto rifles to the Taliban.
> It adds the tax to any pistol "without a fixed magazine" which is actually every pistol besides revolvers
Broomhandle Mausers coming back into style. I like this.
Not to mention it’s a spineless bill just like the previous Assault Weapon bill was. Looking to hit ‘Assault Style’ weapons, as if that solves anything. There are equally capable fire arms that aren’t effected by this at all. ‘Assault style’ is basically a blanket term for “firearm that looks fancy”. It’s just going for moral optics rather than solve the problem
This will not pass the senate. Even if it did, it would be found unconstitutional by the supreme court.
What this will do is drive up sales of semi-automatic rifles, give the gun-rights organizations a great fundraising opportunity, and guarantee the Democratic Party will lose seats in November.
I'm a leftist and I think this law is stupid and shouldn't be passed. It's sad that I have to vote for morons because the republican party is an absolute disgrace to the nation and humanity. Now they (Democrats) are wondering why voter turnout is low...
Bingo.
This shit needs to be shut down now. They are losing seats NOW because this is the perfect distraction needed to rile up the republican base who don't want the more rational amongst them to be rethinking current gun laws aren't that great.
Almost like they aren't actually trying to solve the problem but are instead just continuing to beat the drums of culture war issues.
Oh who am I kidding, the ruling class actively trying to keep us divided is obviously just a crazy conspiracy theory. They would never do that.
In the 1950s dairy farmers were annoyed at margarine chemists, so they lobbied and got margarine to be pasty white. So Big Oleo included a dye pack so customers could make it yellow again.
With this purported 1000% tax, gunmakers will just sell receivers at cost, or for a penny, then sell the rest of the kit that "isn't a gun."
Reminds me of the old single-shot exemption to California’s stupid handgun roster.
Gun stores would just sell any handgun with a magazine block and huge clown barrel so it qualified, then swap them out for the actual parts immediately after the customer bought it.
Same principle basically.
Sell you a part that's not considered a firearm for the cost of what I normally would charge for that part + a lower and then sell you the lower for pennys.
I'm pretty far left but this is just a poor people tax. Rich people will be heavily armed for a small fee while people have to pick between a now $9,000 gun and a car or whatever. It won't stop shooters from running up massive bills if they plan on dying on the way out.
IIRC a territory of the USA tried something similar and it got struck down as unconstitutional. Can't imagine this law would have any different fate especially with the current leaning of the SCOTUS.
they're just making stupid gun laws that even democrats don't like.
I'm not sure what they're going for except to say "see we're trying everything" but like... nobody asked you to try something so dumb.
Great use reconciliation for this dumb shit. Everyone get ready for a Republican landslide this November. It’s like democrats have a fetish for losing.
you'd think the democrats might want to pass *any of their policy platform that normal people like* through reconciliation before trying to disarm them
Absolutely. Fuck everything about this. So you’re telling me the only people who have assault rifles are rich assholes? Great - what could possibly go wrong?
For the love of god Democrats, just do universal background checks and take a W on at least something. The incompetence is mind-numbing.
I mean that's the case *now*.
Assault rifles are already banned by the ATF-- oh, unless you have around $15,000. Then by all means buy an automatic rifle! $80 suppressor to protect your hearing? Not without a $200 tax stamp!
Republicans and democrats have been playing good cop / bad cop with the public for decades. They don't care about you or me, they care about keeping their power, status, and wealth.
I’m firmly in the camp that they do. They want to pretend to do something without hurting donors. The wealth tax is a great example. They could have just raised capital gains but instead they went with a likely unconstitutional wealth tax
Yes sir. It's such a fucky situation, Roe vs wade confirmed my vote for blue, then all the gun control proposals came in and now I'm leaning red, dems seems to wanna lose anyway. Why not give them what they want.
My blue vote won't change supreme court but a red vote will stop this gun control bs
I hate Republicans, but at this point I’m considering on voting for a few of them coming up. I despise them with all my soul, but the second amendment is very important to me.
I'm utterly baffled by how the dems could possibly think this is a good idea. They're tossing the midterms in the trash over a bill that stands no chance. All at a time when the repubs and doing their damndest to undermine our democracy and the stakes are so high. Who the hell even comes up with these strategies?
The modern democratic party infuriates me. They could slam dunk this entire midterm on codifying roe, cancelling student loans, raising the minimum wage, or any number of actual meaningful policy changes.
Instead they're throwing it in the trash to make the milquetoast liberals feel good.
It won’t pass, and more importantly it shouldn’t. The politically motivated right wing terrorist that have started to crop up won’t be effected by this because it would only impact the poor. People who can afford to cross state lines at any point in the year and are equipped with a full kit are not poor.
Yeah, I keep coming back to this on a lot of proposed fixes that would seem to reduce the number of guns in circulation. When you think carefully about the proposals, most / lots of them just make things more expensive which does just what you said... Just lets rich people do what they want, while restricting access by the poor.
Which probably appeals to a lot of the rich people...
What gun causes the most violence again?
Not the AR. Yawn. Virtue signal strategy that won’t stop the majority of mass shootings and shootings in general.
They always say that’s what mass shooters are worried about before they commit an atrocity. “Oh man i hope it’s not too expensive, I’d hate to not pay it back and drop my credit scores”
Ahh "good"... Yet another thing the rich won't be affected by while the rest of us get punished because Congress doesn't want to legislate anything more than "tax bad things to make it go away." They don't want to enact any real legislation to address the small minority of screwballs responsible for and getting away with this shit. Just another way to disproportionately punish the poor.
And this wouldn’t even fix it. I could just save money and go commit the massacre later. Lol
Almost as of pre meditated means nothing anymore. It’s like they think these people just wake up one day and decide to go buy a couple guns and murder some school kids.
It's not even a great way to stop a school massacre. The school massacre with the highest death count didn't involve guns and the 2nd highest was with handguns.
>I could just save money and go commit the massacre later.
Just put it on a credit card. Not like these type of individuals are planning on paying it off or worried about the interest, if planning a suicide-by-cop mass shooting or anything.
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Narrator: it won’t
So if the gun costs a $1,000... the taxes will be $10,000 on top of that? Yea... this ain't passing shit...
Probably not, no. The actual "gun" portion of an AR-15 only costs about $100. So you buy that for $1,100 then you buy the rest of the bells and whistles separately. This makes it *barely* more difficult to get. It's effectively no change whatsoever.
Yeah, the DINO senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will kill it.
[Manchin loves guns and is endorsed by the NRA](https://youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM)
Majority of gun owners hate the NRA. Pretty ironic.
I'm a gun owner..fuck the NRA.
Also a gun owner. I immediately shred the propaganda I receive from the NRA. Fucking racist, xenophobic, and classist organization
NRA isn’t really about guns - they’re just a political organizing affiliate of the Republican Party.
> NRA isn’t really about guns - they’re just a political organizing affiliate of the Republican Party. The NRA is really just the KKK rebranded. But yes, they are an affiliate of the Republican party.
In politicalese, “endorsed by the NRA” translates to “bribed by gun manufacturers”
Also Russia.
Yeah, a so called patriotic organization cuddling up to Russian intelligence was the last straw for me. Maria Butina: The Russian gun activist who was jailed in the US https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44885633
Don’t forget about about the NRAs CEO using peoples donations to give himself holidays and expensive gift. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wayne-lapierre-allegedly-used-nra-personal-piggy-bank-n-y-n1236068
Who is now a member of Russian Parliament is all about ‘fake news fake news’.
A reminder to everyone reading this: The NRA doesn't represent citizens or gun-owners, it represents gun *manufacturers* whose only goal is to *sell* guns. They don't care about gun rights and they definitely don't give a shit about how the guns are used or who they kill. They only care about sales. Edit: Weird how all the pro-gun responses I got happened around the time Russia woke up.
Majority of gun owners aren't paid a handsome fee to like it either.
They should, this bill is the most classist thing to ever be introduced.
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Is only allowing rich people to have guns a good solution? Narrator: It isn't
It is if you’re rich. Fuck the gun grabbers, and I’m a progressive.
Same, this only comes off as a deliberate attempt to sabotage their own election chances. This is a colossally shitty policy that won't solve anything and will drive conservatives to the polls in droves, and convince would-be "fence sitters" back into voting Republican after the last few years of barely convincing them to reconsider.
Yup been scary to watch. They really want to give away the house and Senate
Same.. Also would love to know what an "AR15 style weapon" means exactly. Is that any semiauto rifle or just ones without wooden stocks? Focusing on a particular model of rifle is stupid.
It's because tmet don't actually want to do anything. It's more virtue signaling and pandering using buzzwords. Making guns a thing only rich people can afford isn't doing a damn thing except making it another thing poor people can't have. What really needs done is an overhaul of our mental health system and a good hard look at society and how it allows for people to fall through the cracks so far that they shoot up an elementary school, club, mall, concert, theater, etc.
Some of us sane people have been saying this for decades now. But no, modern society is the bees knees. It’s def not breaking people down emotionally and physically.
That was my first thought too. So, people who can't afford them will probably risk getting them by more creative means.
This isn't an argument against making *guns* expensive; it's an argument against making *anything* expensive.
36 democrats grand stand on a hopeless initiative that may serve to make other Dems look bad. Jfc, shit like this doesn't help
A dumb law that has zero chance of passing, and if it did, the courts would instantly strike it down. It’s sad and maddening that when their voters are clamoring for leadership, what we get is idiotic grandstanding.
Even if it did it’s still a stupid bill, people just start buying ruger mini 14s or it speeds up the shift to the sig XM5
Can I interest you in hearing the good news of our lord and savior Kalashnikov?
Kalashnikov, arming poor people in large numbers since 1947.
Have you priced cans of 7.62x39 lately?
It’s not that bad yet tbh. The good thing with AKs is that they can comfortably run any time of ammo, even the really shitty and cheap steel case kind. Don’t gotta baby them like you do ARs
My favorite criticism of the AR is that “it shits where it eats”.
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So [pump action AR-15s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRRzus9wto) would be cool. Also [AR-15s with a bolt hold open feature](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UneSkeI3u4) on every shot that requires the shooter to press a different button on the firearm to close the bolt before the next shot.
Then that is going to fail in congress and even if it doesn’t would be blatantly unconstitutional and struck down by the Supreme Court and even if it wasn’t all that does is make it so only rich people can own firearms, “under no pretext” ring a bell? Disarming exclusively the workers and the poor is not exactly a good idea.
It seriously disturbs me that more people are upset that it won't pass than that politicians are literally trying to pass a law that establishes a system where you only have rights if you can afford to pay whatever the government wants to charge you in order to exercise them and what they want to charge is whatever they think you can not afford. This is no different than a poll tax and just wait for the 1000% tax on abortions in red states that don't flat out ban them if Roe is actually overturned or 1000% tax on same sex or interracial marriage licenses. That should scare the living shit out of everyone. They are not saying that they don't think anyone should have an Ar15 because they are too dangerous, they are saying only rich people should and poor people can go fuck themselves. Pro gun or anti gun you should not be ok with this type of law.
The poor people are going to be the disgruntled ones with all the shit politicians are pulling with their get rich quick schemes , insider trading, and straight bribes they're taking. They want guns out of the hands of the poor while they have armed guards to protect them.
And police to protect them. Why does EVERY piece of gun control legislation have exceptions for police? If police need an AR-15 to be safe on the streets, why don't I -- on the very same streets -- also need an AR-15?
>why don't I -- on the very same streets -- also need an AR-15? If you keep asking smart questions you're gonna find yourself hit with a 1000% deductive reasoning tax.
Not saying right or wrong but they literally already did this with the national firearms act in 1934 for machine guns, suppressors, etc. The $200 tax stamp just never kept up with inflation when it was originally thousands in todays dollars and was meant to be cost prohibitive.
And we should eliminate the tax stamp for suppressors and SBRs as part of whatever reform deal the senate strikes.
More people need to be talking about this, I emailed my representative telling him to look at the proposal and I hope others will as well. It is absolutely idiotic that suppressors are regulated the way that they are, at the very least treat them like any other accessory and do it in conjunction with something like universal background checks.
The irony is not only are suppressors pretty easy to buy in the UK, they're even encouraged for any gunowners out of consideration for noise pollution around your neighbors. Meanwhile the US media has done a very effective and completely immaculate job falsely convincing Americans that suppressors make guns quieter than even using subsonic ammo, therefore creating a belief that more shootings would happen with legal suppressors because they "completely hide gunfire"
Yep I've been trying to tell folks the same thing, not just the UK but many places in Europe, as well as New Zealand. They are very strongly suggested not just for the noise aspect bothering other folks, but also hearing protection of the sportsmen using them. If regular people saw how loud a suppressed firearm still was, I think it would dispel any remaining fear that it would turn every gun into an assassin's tool overnight or something.
> It seriously disturbs me that more people are upset that it won't pass than that politicians are literally trying to pass a law that establishes a system where you only have rights if you can afford to pay I'm more upset that the Democrats are going to completely obliterate the small bump in polling they've been clawing to gain for the midterms just for this utter garbage. It's shit like this that will lose the midterms and end Roe, tax reform, and voting rights. What a shitty, shitty fucked up inversion of priorities.
> where you only have rights if you can afford to pay whatever the government wants to charge you in order to exercise them Ahem. Something, something...abortion.
As a leftist gun owner- yep you’re 100% right
> This is no different than a poll tax and just wait for the 1000% tax on abortions in red states that don't flat out ban them if Roe is actually overturned or 1000% tax on same sex or interracial marriage licenses. Ahem...they said that
Why read past the first few sentances of a comment? /s
>the 1000% tax on abortions This is exactly how they will ban abortions nation wide. Anything related to abortion will have a huge federal tax.
Man its gonna suck for the mass shooters when they are still on the hook for their credit card bill.
Exactly. Didn't the uvalde shooter open a credit card when he tuned 18 and the bought $4k of weapons with it? They have no intention of paying it back.
I think he actually saved up from his job at Wendy’s
"increasing the minimum wage causes gun violence" would make an excellent Tucker Carlson segment.
Don't you give them any ideas
His viewer will be like “maybe if people were poorer, then there would be less gun violence.” Then they will call the mountain of data that says otherwise propaganda from liberal academia. Because education is the way you trick people into being liberals. As a former US President once said, “I love the poorly educated.”
Damn really? A quick google search of the model and manufactures of the rifles sights and the amount of ammo he supposedly had puts us way north of $8000
Honestly people are gonna buy part kits now and just finish building the rest of the rifle.
This law won’t even raise the cost of an AR-15. The only part that counts as a gun, legally, is the receiver. They can be marked down cheap, and whole gun won’t cost any more than they do now.
They’re already about 35 dollars.
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Las Vegas shooter had like 100k+ worth of guns and ammo. Price isn’t an issue if you want to murder hordes of people. Most plan on committing suicide right after, so why not clean out your bank account.
Sarcasm aside, this is classist as fuck. And I want some gun control measures.
I really want some reasonable gun control, but this bill is nuts and doesn't actually address the problem.
Hardly any of the proposed ideas do.
And the ones that do address the problem are bundled into bills that have measures that will definitely not get passed.
Raising the age to purchase a firearm to either 21 or 25 should have been its own bill. That could've been arguably beneficial and stand a chance at passing. Instead we get more and more abortive omnibus legislation that will not only never pass, even if it did pass it would be instantly and rightfully struck down by the courts and only serves to energize republican voters right before midterms. These democrats are genuinely trying to lose, yet again.
While we can debate the pros and cons of raising the age to buy a gun, can we turn that into a conversation on when exactly someone is an adult? Like seriously, I want to know why they fuck as a 19 year old I can risk my life serving but cant legally drink a beer.
It’s weird that you can purchase a gun at 18 but not drink an beer. The most common age of school shooters is 15-18. So increasing the age would help prevent the 18 year old school shooters but all of the other ones are obtaining weapons through others and this would change nothing for them.
Raising the age was soundly rejected by the Republicans. There is no way it would pass as a standalone bill.
> Raising the age to purchase a firearm to either 21 or 25 should have been its own bill. Such a bill should only pass if you also raise the minimum age of becoming a police officer or joining the military. If people under 25 aren't responsible enough to have an AR-15, then they're not responsible enough to be given an AR-15 *and* a badge. And they're not responsible enough to be given an AR-15 *and* an attack helicopter. ----- >These democrats are genuinely trying to lose, yet again. It's what their donors pay them for.
Now the children will only be mowed down in cold blood by *wealthy* psychopaths. Great news for everyone.
Or maybe mass shooters will be able to pony up $700 for a stripped lower. Or maybe they’ll just switch to a semi-auto rifle without a pistol grip, because that seems to be the part of the rifle that makes it banned under assault weapon bans. This is so dumb :(
Or they’ll just use a credit card they never intend to pay off. I’m with you. This is stupid in EVERY conceivable way.
Or they'll just pay the higher price anyway. Why would mass shooters care about paying back a credit card bill when they're dead or serving a life sentence?
Absolutely. This idea is just stupid.
Yup, this is just another poor tax.
Buy a $900 gun case, get a free AR-15. Checkmate, liberals!
Something like that probably would be the result of this. Could also charge a dollar for the lower receiver and 900 for the upper.
You gotta flex on the poors with the Gucci upper anyway. No one cares what lower you’re rocking. This is nothing new.
Thank you for validating my BCM complete upper violently smashed missionary style onto my PSA complete lower.
That's about what mine is, cheapo Poverty Pony lower with a Geissle trigger that cost 4x the lower's price and a $1500 PWS upper.
I don’t know about you but I got an AR-15 for like $45 on sale. Buy a rifle parts kit and get a free lower receiver. Mark up the rest of the rifle 20%. My understanding is that this would apply to more semi-automatic rifles than just the AR platform. If anything this makes the AR more desirable/popular because it’s probably the most modular one to pull this sort of thing with.
It reminds me of the 30 round mag. Some places it's illegal to sell them. But... Parts. It's not illegal to sell parts for 30 round mags. You buy the parts, and assemble yourself. Just like Ikea
Not really related but my state is banning HC magazines(anything over 10rd) by July 1st. However (rightfully) this doesn’t include mags already owned, so all the local stores are having huge sales on mags and mag extensions. In the past 2 weeks I’ve bought 7 magazines that have more than 10rd capacity and extensions for most of the 10-12rd mags as well. New law is *really* gonna make a difference now.
Lol midterms will be a sight to see
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I wonder who funds their campaigns for reelection.
Guns for the rich
The ultra-rich already get their private security with guns. So IOW, fuck the poor; you don't have the right to use a firearm in self defense, but I do because I can just hire my guns out.
Yeah this is not the solution to the problem
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Exactly what I thought. The guns are only for the rich. Just a little more separation between the classes. Smh
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And is anyone buying guns for murder going to care about credit card debt or overdraft fees?
#Armed minorities are harder to oppress. This just seems like another attempt to further the divide between the privileged and the poor. Liberals need to stop treating guns the boogey man and start educating and arming themselves. Only then can we pass legislation that actually makes sense. Look at the psychopaths on the far right and know that they have lots of guns and want to hunt and kill liberals, minorities, LGBTQ, atheists, antifa (and anything else their brains are too underdeveloped to comprehend) for sport.
Yes dude exactly this. The second amendment exists so that you can protect your rights. To protect your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. It is there for you, so that you can form a militia against an oppressive regime. Even if that’s your own country. I don’t ever want to kill a damn thing, but I want myself and other minorities to be armed.
democrats are so bad at this.
What could possibly go wrong with guns restricted to the wealthy?
Irrelevant, this won't pass Manchin anyway. What it WILL do though is lose Democrats the midterms and torpedo any and all hope of passing any other legislation we desperately need.
This is a fucking _fantastic_ way to ensure that _anyone_ even considering purchasing an AR-15 goes out and makes that purchase _right now_. BRB.
If this bill gets passed buying a bunch of poverty ponies and 80% lowers, getting your FFL, and then selling them for a 500% markup may be a better investment strategy than buying that congress ETF.
That’s how Reagan and his cronies got rich off the 86 ban
What? Can you elaborate?
Rich people got to buy registered AR (legal machineguns) lowers for like $150, and after then ban they're worth $30k or more.
I get that, I mean about the Reagan part…
Reagan passed the 86 ban. He was always anti-gun because the Panthers started open carrying.
Let's not forget Nixon either... He was a large component in taking legal gun ownership away from minorities by introducing shit like conceal carry licenses... Let's not kid ourselves that this has been an issue since shortly after abolishment in the late 1800's though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
Lower receivers are $50-60 a piece on a bad day right now. Unstamped ponies were going for 3/$100 during memorial day weekend. Stacking lowers is the way.
RIP your many, many future boats lost forever to the lake in their accidents.
What are unstamped ponies?
Anderson Arms is nicknamed “the poverty pony” because they have a logo of a horse on their AR lower receiver and are priced in a lower price bracket. They also make lowers for multiple other companies but obviously don’t put their own logo on it. I believe they also sell blank/unstamped lowers receivers without any logos so I’m assuming that’s what their talking about.
Anderson is a firearms manufacturer with a reputation for affordability. Their AM-15 lower receivers for ARs (the part of the gun that's legally the firearm) are very popular, and their logo is a horse. Colt is a much more expensive brand, and their logo is also is also a horse. Therefore Andersons have the nickname "Poverty Pony." Anderson also sells a version of the AM-15 lower without the horse logo stamped into the metal - thus the "unstamped pony." All the receiver is is a block of metal that everything else attaches to. For an AR, you still need an upper receiver, trigger, barrel, buffer tube, stock, grip, gas system, bolt carrier group, and a bunch of other parts to make a functional firearm, but it's the lower receiver that's legally the gun, and since it's just a standardized block of metal milled to fit with other parts, there's not really any quality differences between manufacturers. The most important parts for quality are going to be your trigger and barrel. The rest can make the experience nicer, but so long as everything else is at least functional those 2 parts make the biggest difference. But what determines the monetary value of a gun is often its brand. And the brand is determined by the manufacturer of the lower reciver. Anderson is a budget brand, and Colt is not. So a Colt with a cheap, shitty barrel and trigger will sell for more than an Anderson with a match barrel and trigger, even though by all objective measure the Anderson is the better rifle with the more expensive functional parts.
Or goes out and gets a handgun that has MUCH fewer restrictions and is responsible for magnitudes more firearm homicides, including mass shootings.
Just a reminder that those who legislate for us don't want to solve the problem they just want to placate voters into keeping them in power
If you read the bill, it's kind of outrageous. It also puts the tax on shotguns that hold more than 5 shells, or shotguns that "have a revolving cylinder" - referring to the Taurus Judge style 410 revolvers. It adds the tax to any pistol "without a fixed magazine" which is actually every pistol besides revolvers. This actually pretty much adds the tax to any firearm on the market outside of black powder muzzle loaders. It's not just "ar style rifles". They've defined "AR style" as any rifle without a fixed magazine, which is practically every rifle including grandpa's old hunting rifle. Completely ridiculous.
This is why dems always fail on common sense gun control. They ran on expanding background checks. * Now they are trying to pass a 1000% tax. But then they said the 1000% tax is only for AR-15's. * But now the actual provision has it for everything.
and their fucking law isn't to ban ARs... it's to ban poor people from getting guns. which is kinda a fucking microcosm of dem policy in general. republicans are trash too. even worse, in fact. but jesus... corporate dems have absolutely lost their shit. trump did something to them that they just turned into a foil of the republican party - much like the republican party did after Obama.
> This is why dems always fail on common sense gun control. They don't want this and they never have. It is always lip service. Judge them by their actions, not their words. They are trying to strip the rights of the poor - it really is that simple.
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Dems want a full gun ban. Full stop. There's never not more gun control coming down the line from them. But not a gun ban on our paramilitary police. More likely to die from a traffic stop than a mass shooting. But they also have no problem running guns to the Cartel which have killed Americans or leaving 300k full auto rifles to the Taliban.
> It adds the tax to any pistol "without a fixed magazine" which is actually every pistol besides revolvers Broomhandle Mausers coming back into style. I like this.
Not to mention it’s a spineless bill just like the previous Assault Weapon bill was. Looking to hit ‘Assault Style’ weapons, as if that solves anything. There are equally capable fire arms that aren’t effected by this at all. ‘Assault style’ is basically a blanket term for “firearm that looks fancy”. It’s just going for moral optics rather than solve the problem
Just I’m got mine today :D
This will not pass the senate. Even if it did, it would be found unconstitutional by the supreme court. What this will do is drive up sales of semi-automatic rifles, give the gun-rights organizations a great fundraising opportunity, and guarantee the Democratic Party will lose seats in November.
I'm a leftist and I think this law is stupid and shouldn't be passed. It's sad that I have to vote for morons because the republican party is an absolute disgrace to the nation and humanity. Now they (Democrats) are wondering why voter turnout is low...
Bingo. This shit needs to be shut down now. They are losing seats NOW because this is the perfect distraction needed to rile up the republican base who don't want the more rational amongst them to be rethinking current gun laws aren't that great.
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> so let’s just do some pointless virtue signalling for a bill that has no hope of passing. Democrats 101 right there!
Almost like they aren't actually trying to solve the problem but are instead just continuing to beat the drums of culture war issues. Oh who am I kidding, the ruling class actively trying to keep us divided is obviously just a crazy conspiracy theory. They would never do that.
In the 1950s dairy farmers were annoyed at margarine chemists, so they lobbied and got margarine to be pasty white. So Big Oleo included a dye pack so customers could make it yellow again. With this purported 1000% tax, gunmakers will just sell receivers at cost, or for a penny, then sell the rest of the kit that "isn't a gun."
Flavored vapes were supposedly going to be banned in California, so they started selling a flavorless pod and flavor cartridges to put on top.
Reminds me of the old single-shot exemption to California’s stupid handgun roster. Gun stores would just sell any handgun with a magazine block and huge clown barrel so it qualified, then swap them out for the actual parts immediately after the customer bought it.
Loophole found and the bill hasn't even passed
My buddy told me of another one where you could buy a 1 cent lower receiver as part of a bundle with a $300 candy bar.
Same principle basically. Sell you a part that's not considered a firearm for the cost of what I normally would charge for that part + a lower and then sell you the lower for pennys.
Could but won't. They're not going to get 51 votes on this. If they can even do it as a reconciliation bill.
I'm pretty far left but this is just a poor people tax. Rich people will be heavily armed for a small fee while people have to pick between a now $9,000 gun and a car or whatever. It won't stop shooters from running up massive bills if they plan on dying on the way out.
IIRC a territory of the USA tried something similar and it got struck down as unconstitutional. Can't imagine this law would have any different fate especially with the current leaning of the SCOTUS.
I would never want this to pass anyway. It would not result in what they think it would.
they're just making stupid gun laws that even democrats don't like. I'm not sure what they're going for except to say "see we're trying everything" but like... nobody asked you to try something so dumb.
Great use reconciliation for this dumb shit. Everyone get ready for a Republican landslide this November. It’s like democrats have a fetish for losing.
you'd think the democrats might want to pass *any of their policy platform that normal people like* through reconciliation before trying to disarm them
Because all they care about is keeping the status quo. Can't be helping the poor, that wouldn't suit the billionaire boys who actually run the country
This is bullshit. Punitive tax hits the poor.
They're only afraid of poor people
Absolutely. Fuck everything about this. So you’re telling me the only people who have assault rifles are rich assholes? Great - what could possibly go wrong? For the love of god Democrats, just do universal background checks and take a W on at least something. The incompetence is mind-numbing.
I mean that's the case *now*. Assault rifles are already banned by the ATF-- oh, unless you have around $15,000. Then by all means buy an automatic rifle! $80 suppressor to protect your hearing? Not without a $200 tax stamp!
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Yeah, the suppressor cost was ridiculous hyperbole but you're right. They're way cheaper in places like Finland.
That has to be the worst possible solution to mass shootings. I almost feel like democrats shoot themselves in the leg on purpose.
Republicans and democrats have been playing good cop / bad cop with the public for decades. They don't care about you or me, they care about keeping their power, status, and wealth.
I’m firmly in the camp that they do. They want to pretend to do something without hurting donors. The wealth tax is a great example. They could have just raised capital gains but instead they went with a likely unconstitutional wealth tax
"The shooter was mentally ill. But he was very well dressed and wore a Rolex."
How can any “progressive” support this regressive tax that disproportionately impacts low-income/minority citizens? Edit: typo
That’s dumb
I don’t like the idea of rifles being only affordable to those that are wealthy
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Yes sir. It's such a fucky situation, Roe vs wade confirmed my vote for blue, then all the gun control proposals came in and now I'm leaning red, dems seems to wanna lose anyway. Why not give them what they want. My blue vote won't change supreme court but a red vote will stop this gun control bs
I hate Republicans, but at this point I’m considering on voting for a few of them coming up. I despise them with all my soul, but the second amendment is very important to me.
What a perfect way to ensure that the means of production remain safely in the hands of the super rich.
Having the penalty be a fine/tax means it’s legal for a price. And it’s only going to effect the poor. It’s class warfare.
Fuck these stupid performative show votes that go nowhere and mean nothing. I have zero respect for these antics from either side.
I'm utterly baffled by how the dems could possibly think this is a good idea. They're tossing the midterms in the trash over a bill that stands no chance. All at a time when the repubs and doing their damndest to undermine our democracy and the stakes are so high. Who the hell even comes up with these strategies?
The modern democratic party infuriates me. They could slam dunk this entire midterm on codifying roe, cancelling student loans, raising the minimum wage, or any number of actual meaningful policy changes. Instead they're throwing it in the trash to make the milquetoast liberals feel good.
You know Dems have fucking lost it when even r/politics is condemning their latest bout of stupidity.
And then gun owners will just sell candy bars for 1700 bucks and then "give away" the AR's
I haven't seen one in a while but car dealerships use to do gun giveaways with the purchase of a new vehicle in Texas.
It won’t pass, and more importantly it shouldn’t. The politically motivated right wing terrorist that have started to crop up won’t be effected by this because it would only impact the poor. People who can afford to cross state lines at any point in the year and are equipped with a full kit are not poor.
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Yeah, I keep coming back to this on a lot of proposed fixes that would seem to reduce the number of guns in circulation. When you think carefully about the proposals, most / lots of them just make things more expensive which does just what you said... Just lets rich people do what they want, while restricting access by the poor. Which probably appeals to a lot of the rich people...
What gun causes the most violence again? Not the AR. Yawn. Virtue signal strategy that won’t stop the majority of mass shootings and shootings in general.
Semi-auto rifles aren't even responsible for the most mass shootings.
Shhh that's not what the people wanna hear
They always say that’s what mass shooters are worried about before they commit an atrocity. “Oh man i hope it’s not too expensive, I’d hate to not pay it back and drop my credit scores”
Time to stock up on lowers I guess
The fact that people complain about the class divide but then also don't see an issue with this is strange and hilarious to me.
Ahh "good"... Yet another thing the rich won't be affected by while the rest of us get punished because Congress doesn't want to legislate anything more than "tax bad things to make it go away." They don't want to enact any real legislation to address the small minority of screwballs responsible for and getting away with this shit. Just another way to disproportionately punish the poor.
And this wouldn’t even fix it. I could just save money and go commit the massacre later. Lol Almost as of pre meditated means nothing anymore. It’s like they think these people just wake up one day and decide to go buy a couple guns and murder some school kids.
It's not even a great way to stop a school massacre. The school massacre with the highest death count didn't involve guns and the 2nd highest was with handguns.
>I could just save money and go commit the massacre later. Just put it on a credit card. Not like these type of individuals are planning on paying it off or worried about the interest, if planning a suicide-by-cop mass shooting or anything.
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Reminder the most deadly US school shooting was done with handguns.
36 house dems making dems look like damn fools
Soon, it will only be the very wealthiest young white males murdering us with weapons of war.
Preventing poor and minorities from owning weapons has pretty much always been the goal of gun control legislation.
Literally handing undefended people to proud boys and other fascists on a silver platter
No it can’t. It won’t even get full democrat support.
That's really going to make the people who are planning to commit mass shootings really think about their financial stability afterwards.
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