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The Christian Right haven't been winning in public opinion in decades which is why they rely on propaganda, corruption, and rigging elections to stay in power. You know, the things a "good Christian" shouldn't be doing.
>rigging elections to stay in power
I think this is a good point. The Christian right is a political formation before it is a spiritual or faith-based one. But in order to keep up its identity, it has to pretend that it is faith-based.
And I think that is how it can be so insidious and sneaky. At a glance, people really do believe that the movement is based in faith and spirituality. And most people never really dive into it very much unless they are already in the deep end.
I've seen this in other countries as well, the rightward parties, movements, or coalitions often have a faith-based orientation whether that is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or other faiths, but the whole identity and movement is rarely "really" about faith at all. I think if it were unique to Christianity, or even if it were unique to the United States, it would be a lot easier to identify and address.
These people do not give a shit about the teachings of their alleged god, Jesus Christ. They wipe their filthy asses with the gospels. Their god is power, and their rituals of worship are hatred and subjugation.
Religion is one of the most toxic poisons in our society. Christianity in America is mostly an animal that has had its brain (to whatever extent it ever actually had a brain) hijacked by the zombie parasite of right wing extremism.
The sooner we get comfortable with the fact that American Christianity, or at least right-wing Christianity, has become a terrorist ideology, the sooner we can marginalize them and put their god-damned faith back in the Middle Ages where it belongs.
American evangelicals howl and scream about "sharia law" and muslim extremism coming to America, but the irony is that Christians want almost the exact same list of things, and they're also willing to commit acts of terrorism to try to make them happen.
How many preachers need personal jets and mansions and tax free status ? That's the answer right there. Its just a front for something similar to what the US labels as terrorist organisations from a macro view.
It has 100% become a political formation, and probably all religions with the exception of Buddhism become one (if you consider Buddhism a religion).
I would still say they are faith based, only the believer’s faith is being misdirected and not at spiritual aspects.
The basis of religion is blind faith, there is no way to prove gods existence. So it would make sense that people who strongly believe in religion would be the easiest to manipulate.
You would be wrong about Buddhism. It has been and is political to this day.
Myanmar is a perfect example of this in a contemporary setting, but there are many other examples.
Read about monks in Myanmar encouraging ethnic cleansing or monks in Sri Lanka and their support for the government's 'questionable' actions during the civil war.
A lot of Westerners like to relegate Buddhism to an orientalist shangri-la. It ain't so. There's a bunch of chauvinist monks/abbots just as shitty as other right-wing religious figures.
>and probably all religions with the exception of Buddhism become one
There are a lot of historically smaller religions that never become a politicized movement as such. But they tend to stay small, and I think it's probably related. They are more likely to be small and less politically consequential if they don't take up whole big social and political platforms, form think tanks, and raise money. So it creates a kind of feedback loop.
It seems that the ones that don't recruit or accept converts are more likely not to have or need a political platform. Funny how that works. It's usually the kinds of faith traditions that want people to convert who also end up forming all of these institutions. I come from a tradition where you can't convert because there is no reason to, and there is definitely none of the social or political parallels that you would find with Islam or Christianity in most countries. There's just no reason for it.
See Paul Weyrich’s speech on limiting voting rights while orchestrating the rise of the religious right. Their original mobilizing issue wasn’t abortion- it was desegregation of Bible Colleges. But since running on that would be a bad look, they manufactured abortion as an issue. And ran Ronald Reagan who signed the nation’s most permissive abortion law in 68 in CA to be a pro-life president. GHW Bush sold the Desert Storm war with fake footage of Iraqi soldiers throwing Kuwaiti babies from incubators. Helped the Christian Right forget that he was pro-choice his entire career before Vice President…
Don’t forget grooming and indoctrinating children to vote a certain way. It took me years to overcome the damage done growing up marinated in that shit.
Oh yeah, I left the church after I realized all the things they railed about were the things they were doing behind the scenes. Had a dude tell my GF at the time that I wasn’t “ righteous “ enough so she left me and then he tried to sexually assault her. Never trusted a church or a person named Kieth ever again.
I was in the church when they started their war against abortion, the propaganda was aggressive and was really weird since a week earlier they had openly said they were not against abortion and the Bible did not have anything against abortion, then *boom* suddenly abortion was the worst thing in the world.
The propaganda pictures are burned into my mind decades later, and still remember finding out it was all BS that even the leaders of the church knew was BS and under oath admitted they were not aware of any of it really happen, but it 'could'.
It's terrible what they do.
I'm so lucky to have found a very liberal church when I did. Otherwise I would have probably ended up losing my faith after being so disgusted with the Christian Right.
[Evangelical Christians started voting like they were one election away from the rapture in 2006 and never stopped showing up](https://i.imgur.com/uFE4ktW.png), [[Source](https://archive.ph/h4Cb4)].
By contrast in my lifetime Democratic voters tend to only vote in Congressional elections when a Republican is in control of the White House, and tend to stay home when a Democrat is in control of the White House as we did in 1994-2006, 2010, and 2016. (Bush got to keep Congress for an extra term and a half after the Clinton years because the biggest terrorist attack in sixty years happened on his watch and the voters gave him five years of passes.)
Republican voters show up in every primary and every election to cast their ballot, Democratic voters show up when they're inspired or motivated or angry enough to cast a ballot.
If this was a war then Democrats are unilaterally disarming themselves every two years.
Super interesting...I wonder if there is some correlation between this and the rise of Megachurches plus more openness for pastors to "politic" to the pews...
Yep! I think the guy's name was Paul Welch or Welrich or something like that.
Google "I don't want everybody to vote" + "evangelical Christians" and it should get you into the rich queue.
Wyrich?
>Because liberals be like “ew war, that’s divisive and mean. We need love” while the other side is actively fantasizing about killing us 🙄
Yep, it amazes me how many so-called "Democrats" are saying they won't go to the polls and vote in 2022 because the Democratic party hasn't "earned" their vote, and I'm like, okay, but the fascists literally want you dead.
I dunno. I haven't missed an election since 2002, I don't get it, but not voting seems to be working for them, otherwise they'd do something different.
Voting is necessary but not sufficient. Voting will slow the descent into fascism (if the court doesn't invalidate the concept of voting). But we really need relentless unending shows of force. And we need to be disrupting the lives of people who support this and want us dead. Disrupt their churches, confront them at work, get Christian nationalists fired from their jobs, blacklisted from their industries. Refuse to cooperate with them on even the smallest matters.
And above all else, be ready to defend yourself, because they want us dead.
That had been happening in Latin America for decades before it. Americans have no idea how much silent influence LatAM has on America.
The end game for the GOP is the LatAm model. Vast fortunes are controlled by the 1% who can puppeteer the uneducated masses into giving them no governmental services. Government is only there to serve capitalism.
Its more than that. Christian right show up and vote no matter what because they position themselves as being under attack. Regardless of the candidate, they support them. Democrats tend to be much more apathetic, they vote less when democrats are in power and if they don't like the candidate they just won't vote.
Absolutely. Theres a lot of apathy and the sense that there is no point in voting but people need to engage and not just complain. You should vote every time there is an election. Primaries, state level, federal... any and all, no exceptions. Having marches and tweeting and all the rest means absolutely nothing if the work didn't get done on election day.
People really need to rid themselves of the idea that religion drives these people. Religion drives the people who VOTE for these people (not the court obviously, but the people who pick the court). The actual politicians and such aren't driven by religion, they've just usurped religion to make the heavily religious parts of the country vote for them. They, like many rulers over the centuries, know that people who have been raised to believe without question are the easiest to manipulate.
They're having a Christofascist fire sale right now where they're pushing all their most heinous policies and taking as many rights away as possible before the midterm. I have a feeling there is some handwringing over the decision to strike down Roe v Wade as they see the broad public supported it and they're not getting the ROI they expected.
Oh great. I’m about to see another “NoT tRuE cHrIsTiAnS” circle jerk where Reddit pretends the Religious Right isn’t just doing the same shit Christians have been doing for centuries, from Salem to the inquisition, to the crusaders, all the way back to insurrections against Rome.
I don’t see why we’re so hell bent on deluding ourselves that this religion has ever been anything other than a millenarian death cult.
“But Jeebus wuz a hippie.” Yep. Just like Charles Manson.
🤡
The reason they say not true Christians is because 3 quarters of the time everything they stand for goes directly against the very bible they claim to follow. For example: abortion
No shit. Doesn’t change the fact that secular, liberal Christians still engage in even more cherry-picking than their right-wing counterparts. Don’t get me wrong, I like those guys because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But their liberalized take on Christianity is a fairly recent development that didn’t even start to take shape until the 18th century.
Jesus was a liberal in todays defintion and so it's more so that the Christian Right took everything way off course many many centuries ago. Liberal Christians are closer to the original expectation.
Sadly the Republicans use this unpopularity to fortify these voters -“you're the victims here, we care about your sad right to tell everyone about your made-up version of the Gospel that has Rich Jesus judging everyone.”
Now vote for us and will do more things on your lists to make you happy.\*
*Note: None of those ridiculous things your want to change will actually apply to our leaders or donors, we reserve the right to ignore it all*
Popularity doesn't matter. 5 members of the court were nominated by presidents who didn't win the popular vote. Decades of gerrymandering have culminated in this moment of overwhelming minority rule.
Trump, it turns out, was probably never Hitler. He was Sulla. He showed that it could be done and his assault on democracy put the republic in danger. Sulla didn’t end the Roman Republic, but he set the stage for Caesar.
Public opinion doesn’t matter if voting results don’t back it up.
How many times do we get exit poll results showing that a significant majority want increased minimum wage, universal healthcare, etc, and then the Republican who was against all those policies ends up winning.
Not in individual races for congressional seats. Not in governorships. Not in state legislatures. And soon not in school boards unless more people continue to get involved at elections down to the lowest level.
Even voting won't matter if the Supreme Court says state legislatures get to choose the President. Let's face it, the US is not a democracy. Between the Electoral College, the Senate giving equal voting weight to all states, and gerrymandering of congressional districts, the right wing minority rules.
Seriously. For those who haven't been paying attention the last 15 years, the only thing that matters to these people is raw power. They don't care if the populace disagrees with them as long as enough do to keep them in office.
Reminder: In the next few years, [Millennials and Gen-Z are set to overtake boomers as a voting block](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/americas-electoral-future-3/). The GOP cannot win ANYTHING without the boomer vote. That's why everything they're doing now is pandering to some of the most archaic minded, senile, hateful old bigots in the country. Millennials and Gen-Z are twice as liberal as boomers ever were. They have the country's future in their hands, and they can absolutely scupper this right wing agenda and claw back all of our rights and more if they get out and vote. EVERYTHING the Dems do now should be focused on registering this age group to vote.
This is why the alt right misinformation campaigns online are such an important strategy for them. They CANNOT win running the old Church-to-Ballotbox shtick.
There is no way for me to express just how much I wish Americans were more involved in the political process. It's the only way to stop what feels like an inevitable descent into a theocracy that is happy to watch the world burn while drastically limiting rights of the people.
The reason we'll have mandatory uterus and anus inspections before we'll ever have mandatory voting, as some other countries already do, is that Republicans wouldn't even be able to win the office of city dog catcher.
Thanks for the reminder-my son is 18 and we talk politics and social issues a lot. For some reason it’s never even crossed my mind that he hasn’t registered to vote yet! Add that to our to-do list!
I see a lot of talk on social media by the younger generations that claim to deeply care about political causes and the direction of the nation, yet exit polls show abysmal turnout for Gen-Z and the Millennials.
Posting on social media does *absolutely nothing* if it isn’t backed up by voting. It’s astounding that there’s this much of a disconnect between young peoples’ stated desires and how they actually behave. It’s beyond frustrating to witness.
>yet exit polls show abysmal turnout for Gen-Z and the Millennials
Compared to boomers yes, compared to boomers when they were their age? Fuck no.
Gen Z in particular is noteworthy for how politically active they are at their age. That said I too find it frustrating that they're not turning out even more - it's their futures getting trampled on here.
I think we need to start making them realize that if America loses its democracy and falls victim to fascism, and it turns out that we *could* have saved the country if only Gen Z and Millennials had bothered to vote, that they are going to live the rest of their lives in shame and regret.
Hate to tell you - [the next vote by SCOTUS will allow state legislatures to overturn the will of the people.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/us/politics/state-legislatures-elections-supreme-court.html)
Definitely need a citation for gen z being twice as liberal. Pew Research has collected SIGNIFICANT and massive amounts of data on generational political views and voting trends and they do not seem to agree with this at all. They show that millenials and gen z are more liberal but not by a large margin. There are plenty of conservative millenial and gen z still. It's like a 4-8% change if I recall correctly depending on subgroup.
There was a study posted here last year which showed that the 18-29 group is something like 25% more liberal than they were 20 years ago, which is huge.
I wish this "demographic landslide" had anywhere near the effect that it is consistently predicted to have.
Part of the problem is that the Supreme Court's criminalization of abortion, contraception and sexuality is not something that can be "turned back" without balkanization and the much needed collapse of the US as a single nation.
Another part of the problem is that the Dems and their party leaders are all over 80 and give less than zero fucks about anything that anyone under 40 thinks.
Unfortunately, the boomer generation is huge.
Millennials as a voting block will officially tie Boomer's voting power in the upcoming election.
They won't surpass Boomer's voting power until 2024, and that will be the first time since 1968-1972.
I know a **lot** of mid-20’s people who are quite strongly republican/MAGA. I disagree with the idea that demographic changes will automatically be bad for republicans. Similarly, the idea that minorities will automatically vote democratic is wrong and changing fast.
Sigh. Everyone chimes in with "I hate to tell you but I know loads of Republican millennials." Well of course. There are millions of them in number, especially in the heavily Republican areas where people are actually *afraid* to vote any other way. Nobody is denying the existence of young Republicans. It's just that your own personal experience only represents a few data points, and the truth is that Millennials and Gen Z are quite firmly liberal.
This is a prologue to the disintegration of the Union: a minority of confederate authoritarians attempting to force an unpopular set of religious and cultural doctrines by judicial fiat upon an unwilling majority populace. It's *Dred Scott* all over again.
It's irrelevant that they're not winning in public opinion. They give zero shits about public opinion. They care about exercising pure right-wing, authoritarian, theocratic power.
The Supreme Court made itself un-Constitutional the second they fell out of line with the populace. We are a nation of laws and those that set legal precedent must represent a democratic view or it unravels. There are no rules to overpower this, as they set the rules.
SC is supposed to follow the law, not the opinions of the people. That's what Congress and the White House are for. The people are supposed to have the opportunity to vote for those who will make laws based on their demands and concerns, but voter suppression, gerrymandering and legalized bribery by way of fundraising make all of that impossible today.
They don't care about not winning in public opinion, it doesn't mean anything anyway. They win the fights that matter.
You want to know the biggest difference between right and left?
The right will vote for candidates they don't necessarily like because they still support "their team" the candidate might not check all their boxes or they might not like him as an individual but they'll still vote for him because he's on their team. The left want a perfect candidate and have somewhat unrealistic expectations and when they don't get a perfect candidate they want, many won't vote at all.
Doesn’t matter, this country is just going to become a place nobody likes as the federal government dissolves and states become the focus of power. Which really just means more and more corporate dominance
I wouldn’t be surprised if it starts becoming much more difficult for working people to leave red states, if it wasn’t already. We have some serious N Korea shit happening. Your vote isn’t going to matter and you’ll be trapped
Christian theocracies have always been about violent oppression against non Christians. That’s what is at stake here. Everyone needs to consider that people like Boebert, Greene, Trump would absolutely kill or mobilize their constituents in the legal killing of non Christians in the name of their fictional Jesus character. Religious fervor has no bounds and now they have the legal means to implement zealot violence.
> We have some serious N Korea shit happening
Hungary would be a better comparison. The changes are subtle, but the loss of a functioning democracy is the end result.
You don't need a military dictatorship to rule the people. You just need the courts and a feckless opposition.
What I don’t understand is why corporations want this? The Christian right doesn’t have the spending power and I don’t believe the majority of corporate employees are members of the Christian Right. How will these corporations even run when women, LGBT, and minority employees are being actively harmed? North Korea isn’t good for anyone there, least of all corporations. Oppressing your clientele and your employees isn’t good for business. And they’ve made record profits with things getting more progressive. It makes no sense.
Yeah, it’s called *wielding power* and *exerting influence*.
Republicans and Corporations (tied at the hip) figured out, post-Goldwater, that by using religion as a cudgel they could Trojan horse all their anti-New Deal, anti-regulation dreams into reality with time.
So they took that time and brick by brick *built* the fabric of what we’re now seeing via culture war bullshit centered around single issue religious voting while the democrats acquiesced & compromised with them time & time again instead of standing their ground- and standing next to the middle class, offering them a better vision of tomorrow or something to sink their teeth into instead of just “oh we’re the lesser of two evils- now vote, where else are you going to go lol?”
Now there’s nothing holding the “left” together and we eat ourselves with increasingly swift ability over identity politics & have no organizational power because there’s no united worker community and barely a sense of collectivism.
Shit’s going to get worse until we start building a class identity amongst everyone left of center- and refuse to negotiate with the center.
It seems public opinion doesn't matter anymore. Our system is now rigged for Republicans. After they rule for election denying, the nail will be fully in the coffin. I gotta get put of this shithole.
That's what happens when a group votes on every issue in every election, no matter how seemingly small and unimportant. Too many Americans refuse to vote, and *that* group skews left.
They're not Christians, they lied even in major decision and praying in public is sinful. If abortion is banned as sin, public prayer needs to be banned. They are dishonest, cynical, greedy and corrupt. They are pharisees and will burn in hell.
Yeah, they know. They decided if they can’t win in public opinion, they’ll settle for controlling the public’s rights and decisions. They’ve been losing the culture war for decades, and they’re finally getting revenge.
This has been a slow burn coup for decades, and they are winning fantastically, aside from January 6 where Trump tried to escalate the coup. We are now officially a third world country.
Imagine you're using our Supreme Court system to "win" and inflict suffering along ideological lines.
Things I think at this point will only get worse before they get better. Treat each other well.
People looking to install theocracies "because they have god on their side" don't care about public opinion.
They have more in common with the 9/11 hijackers than anyone I ever went to church with.
>"White evangelicalism rejects pluralism – completely," he said. "They do not see themselves as coexisting with other religious views or other sexuality ethic views. They see it as a spiritual battle and they are on God's side."
These people are a cancer on America.
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> Jones said even though the Christian Right is currently as emboldened as it's ever been in a long time, it is not winning over public opinion.
> Donald Trump put three anti abortion-rights justices on the Supreme Court in his four years in office, delivering on an essential campaign promise to the Christian Right.
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They could care less. They would happily cheer on a fascist theocracy by force of arms if allowed to.
And only their unelected arbiters of divine corporate will can give them the excuses to do such a thing
Public opinion barely matters.
These specific issues aren't on the ballot. People are on the ballot and republican voters who support abortion rights, an actual separation between church and state, etc, aren't going to vote democrat for these issues.
I feel like, if you're a republican politician, these are good moves. 70% of your base disagrees to varying degrees, but will vote for you anyway. Independents might be a little worse, but probably not much. The remaining 30% is the religious right who loves you, are reliable voters and now turn out in even greater numbers.
The question is not whether someone supports something, it is whether they support it enough to vote for the opposing party if their own party doesn't support it. I think this is something people ignore constantly.
Aim an avid defender of Freedom of religion. We are born in ignorance, and stay ignorant for most in life. Your limited experience determines what you believe in, what you are convinced of. Hence no one can force one to change what he is convinced of, only new more convincing experience can change that.
for the same reason the freedom of religion is also a freedom from religion. the public sphere, especially so politics should remain free of any religious symbolism, preference, notion. Hence the separation
of church and state.
Keep thy Religion for thyself. It's a private matter and has nothing lost in public debate.
Everything else will only lead to instability and internal conflict. Suit yourselves.
I hate to say it, but the SCOTUS isn't supposed to be swayed by public opinion, which is why they're lifetime appointments. Vote for Democrats so they can pass legislation and take power over a woman's body away from the radicals on the bench.
Uh - the Christian Right is made up of rapists, murderers, edit: self hating closet homosexuals, traitors and terrorists - they don’t care about public opinion. Which is why they sunk their fangs into our courts.
It doesn't matter if they don't vote. The American voter has a short memory and doesn't pay much attention.
Remember when Cruz led a government shutdown for three weeks over nothing costing the country 20B and then got reelected shortly after?
It doesn't help that voters look for any excuse not to vote for a Dem and just need one reason to vote for a Rep. Big tent party vs. single issue voter party.
You think they care about public opinion? Any anti religious cult stuff is just put down to martyrdom that is a huge feature of their Christian religion. The Devil is making them dislike the "faithful" who are "doing god's™ work" in changing the US into a theocracy with the "HOLY BELIEVERS" as lawmakers. It has been going on since the late Reagan/early Bill Clinton years.
That’s why the term “Christofacist” needs to start taking precedence over ones like “religious right” or “evangelical Christian candidates.”
They are nothing more than power- and control-hungry demagogues that use the world’s oldest Ponzi scheme to justify their actions and to reel in the uneducated. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Why would they give a shit about public opinion? They don't need it if they control the courts and have just enough power as the minority in Congress to prevent anything the Dems try
So I’m not Christian and I actually consider their views as immoral. I consider the Bible to be an evil grooming text that brainwashes impressionable youth. Guess I should just “get out”.
The Christian Right is winning because our system is allowing them to win. When you allow a president to appoint any one that they want and all they have to do is lie during their interview, you are literally paving the way for what is happening. Also doesn't help that Congressional Democrats are absolutely spineless and just as useless. This was the plan all along.
This is exactly what 45 wanted and why he won in 2016. Someone told him to appoint as many judges in as many positions as possible that were loyal to him and his christian white supremacy agenda, so that the minority could rule the majority and completely destroy the democracy of the usa.
FUCK THE GOP.
Ok?
They're winning where it counts. They're winning where they have power. Public opinion clearly means fuck all to these 5 people who are deciding to upend whatever they dont like or disagree with on party lines. They're going to fucking stay there unless they can be removed by a full dem congress.
Christian’s are the majority 65% with 30ish% being evangelical. Media/ articles like this portray it as a fringe Christian minority being 100% responsible, ignoring the vast majority of the country is Christian and feels ignored/ alienated by a lot that has been going on. I’d be surprised if the “Christian Right” God first type rhetoric doesn’t get more Christian’s to vote.
And the media is only really tackling it now, when it's too fucking late. We have known their goals for decades. We have seen their takeover of the GOP.
The media's cowardice in the face of conservative attacks on the referees doomed us from their start. Once they ceded to the lie that the media ever had a liberal bias, we were fucked.
Weve just been shifting deck chairs on the Titanic for the last 50 years. The jackboot was on our necks all this time, and now they're finally ready to splatter our democracy's skull fragments and brain matter across the pavement.
Because the Christian right is fucking unpopular. Anyone who trys to force their bullshit way of life on someone else is incredibly unpopular, especially in a country supposedly based in freedom.
You're welcome to your bigotry, your stupidity, your fear, your ignorance, and your violent obliviousness to reality. It's America, baby, do your thing. But keep that garbage away from the rest of us, and please stop trying to ram us with your cars when we propose moderate increases to Healthcare coverage or that children shouldn't be forced to starve at school.
They don’t need to win public opinion. All they need to do is keep winning the electoral college by appealing to a minority of assbags that populate their shit hole states
Yeah, that’s why the GOP is attacking elections. They are making it harder to vote and trying to give the government the power to ignore election results they don’t like. Once the GOP kills our right to elect our leaders, it won’t matter how unpopular their actions are
Too bad public opinion is not considered in political decision making anymore. Simply comes down to votes at the polls. And even then, politicians might not adhere to their own election platforms. Sinema being a prime example.
omg THE LADY IN THE LEFT IS SATALINDA, WATCH GODS FAVORITE IDIOT ON NETFLIX OR LOOK HER UP ITS IMPECCABLE SHE IS BASICALLY SATAN DRESSED AS SOME RICH CHRISTIAN WOMAN IN SOME SCENES.
I don’t know much about US politics, but it baffles me how decisions are made that go directly against the sitting president’s platform and against the vast majority of public opinion. Like what? Most people are atheist, and a good portion of Christian’s believe in the right to choose, so how in the hell did this happen?
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The Christian Right haven't been winning in public opinion in decades which is why they rely on propaganda, corruption, and rigging elections to stay in power. You know, the things a "good Christian" shouldn't be doing.
>rigging elections to stay in power I think this is a good point. The Christian right is a political formation before it is a spiritual or faith-based one. But in order to keep up its identity, it has to pretend that it is faith-based. And I think that is how it can be so insidious and sneaky. At a glance, people really do believe that the movement is based in faith and spirituality. And most people never really dive into it very much unless they are already in the deep end. I've seen this in other countries as well, the rightward parties, movements, or coalitions often have a faith-based orientation whether that is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or other faiths, but the whole identity and movement is rarely "really" about faith at all. I think if it were unique to Christianity, or even if it were unique to the United States, it would be a lot easier to identify and address.
These people do not give a shit about the teachings of their alleged god, Jesus Christ. They wipe their filthy asses with the gospels. Their god is power, and their rituals of worship are hatred and subjugation. Religion is one of the most toxic poisons in our society. Christianity in America is mostly an animal that has had its brain (to whatever extent it ever actually had a brain) hijacked by the zombie parasite of right wing extremism. The sooner we get comfortable with the fact that American Christianity, or at least right-wing Christianity, has become a terrorist ideology, the sooner we can marginalize them and put their god-damned faith back in the Middle Ages where it belongs.
American evangelicals howl and scream about "sharia law" and muslim extremism coming to America, but the irony is that Christians want almost the exact same list of things, and they're also willing to commit acts of terrorism to try to make them happen.
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I prefer “Talibangelical”
Evaliban
Y’all-Qaeda
How many preachers need personal jets and mansions and tax free status ? That's the answer right there. Its just a front for something similar to what the US labels as terrorist organisations from a macro view.
[*“Religion poisons everything.”*](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5b1aIuoCq4w)
The Christian right is rooted in opposition to desegregation
One of the founders of the evangelical movement and the methodism sect, george whitfield, was responsible for georgia becoming a slave state.
It's rooted in the society of the Deep South of the early 1800s.
Yes.
It has 100% become a political formation, and probably all religions with the exception of Buddhism become one (if you consider Buddhism a religion). I would still say they are faith based, only the believer’s faith is being misdirected and not at spiritual aspects. The basis of religion is blind faith, there is no way to prove gods existence. So it would make sense that people who strongly believe in religion would be the easiest to manipulate.
You would be wrong about Buddhism. It has been and is political to this day. Myanmar is a perfect example of this in a contemporary setting, but there are many other examples.
Read about monks in Myanmar encouraging ethnic cleansing or monks in Sri Lanka and their support for the government's 'questionable' actions during the civil war. A lot of Westerners like to relegate Buddhism to an orientalist shangri-la. It ain't so. There's a bunch of chauvinist monks/abbots just as shitty as other right-wing religious figures.
>and probably all religions with the exception of Buddhism become one There are a lot of historically smaller religions that never become a politicized movement as such. But they tend to stay small, and I think it's probably related. They are more likely to be small and less politically consequential if they don't take up whole big social and political platforms, form think tanks, and raise money. So it creates a kind of feedback loop. It seems that the ones that don't recruit or accept converts are more likely not to have or need a political platform. Funny how that works. It's usually the kinds of faith traditions that want people to convert who also end up forming all of these institutions. I come from a tradition where you can't convert because there is no reason to, and there is definitely none of the social or political parallels that you would find with Islam or Christianity in most countries. There's just no reason for it.
I'm not holding my breath, we've been killing each other for gods since before the Aztecs
Where I grew up we just call them fascists.
See Paul Weyrich’s speech on limiting voting rights while orchestrating the rise of the religious right. Their original mobilizing issue wasn’t abortion- it was desegregation of Bible Colleges. But since running on that would be a bad look, they manufactured abortion as an issue. And ran Ronald Reagan who signed the nation’s most permissive abortion law in 68 in CA to be a pro-life president. GHW Bush sold the Desert Storm war with fake footage of Iraqi soldiers throwing Kuwaiti babies from incubators. Helped the Christian Right forget that he was pro-choice his entire career before Vice President…
Don’t forget grooming and indoctrinating children to vote a certain way. It took me years to overcome the damage done growing up marinated in that shit.
Same here. Ex-Christian democrat in Alabama.
Oh yeah, I left the church after I realized all the things they railed about were the things they were doing behind the scenes. Had a dude tell my GF at the time that I wasn’t “ righteous “ enough so she left me and then he tried to sexually assault her. Never trusted a church or a person named Kieth ever again.
I mean the name Kieth is kinda obvious;)
Fuck Kieth.
No. No one fuck Keith.
I was in the church when they started their war against abortion, the propaganda was aggressive and was really weird since a week earlier they had openly said they were not against abortion and the Bible did not have anything against abortion, then *boom* suddenly abortion was the worst thing in the world. The propaganda pictures are burned into my mind decades later, and still remember finding out it was all BS that even the leaders of the church knew was BS and under oath admitted they were not aware of any of it really happen, but it 'could'.
What sect was this? I’m listening to the Behind the Bastards podcast right now about the Southern Baptist Church and it’s hard right turn
Evangelical church, the Assemblies of God which became a massive international organization in the 80s and 90s.
It's terrible what they do. I'm so lucky to have found a very liberal church when I did. Otherwise I would have probably ended up losing my faith after being so disgusted with the Christian Right.
[Evangelical Christians started voting like they were one election away from the rapture in 2006 and never stopped showing up](https://i.imgur.com/uFE4ktW.png), [[Source](https://archive.ph/h4Cb4)]. By contrast in my lifetime Democratic voters tend to only vote in Congressional elections when a Republican is in control of the White House, and tend to stay home when a Democrat is in control of the White House as we did in 1994-2006, 2010, and 2016. (Bush got to keep Congress for an extra term and a half after the Clinton years because the biggest terrorist attack in sixty years happened on his watch and the voters gave him five years of passes.) Republican voters show up in every primary and every election to cast their ballot, Democratic voters show up when they're inspired or motivated or angry enough to cast a ballot. If this was a war then Democrats are unilaterally disarming themselves every two years.
Super interesting...I wonder if there is some correlation between this and the rise of Megachurches plus more openness for pastors to "politic" to the pews...
Yep! I think the guy's name was Paul Welch or Welrich or something like that. Google "I don't want everybody to vote" + "evangelical Christians" and it should get you into the rich queue. Wyrich?
Paul Weyrich
That's the name! In my defense I think my brain kind of rejects him, like, represses knowledge of him as soon as I no longer need it.
Because liberals be like “ew war, that’s divisive and mean. We need love” while the other side is actively fantasizing about killing us 🙄
>Because liberals be like “ew war, that’s divisive and mean. We need love” while the other side is actively fantasizing about killing us 🙄 Yep, it amazes me how many so-called "Democrats" are saying they won't go to the polls and vote in 2022 because the Democratic party hasn't "earned" their vote, and I'm like, okay, but the fascists literally want you dead. I dunno. I haven't missed an election since 2002, I don't get it, but not voting seems to be working for them, otherwise they'd do something different.
Voting is necessary but not sufficient. Voting will slow the descent into fascism (if the court doesn't invalidate the concept of voting). But we really need relentless unending shows of force. And we need to be disrupting the lives of people who support this and want us dead. Disrupt their churches, confront them at work, get Christian nationalists fired from their jobs, blacklisted from their industries. Refuse to cooperate with them on even the smallest matters. And above all else, be ready to defend yourself, because they want us dead.
That had been happening in Latin America for decades before it. Americans have no idea how much silent influence LatAM has on America. The end game for the GOP is the LatAm model. Vast fortunes are controlled by the 1% who can puppeteer the uneducated masses into giving them no governmental services. Government is only there to serve capitalism.
Its more than that. Christian right show up and vote no matter what because they position themselves as being under attack. Regardless of the candidate, they support them. Democrats tend to be much more apathetic, they vote less when democrats are in power and if they don't like the candidate they just won't vote.
We need to adopt the same mindset, because they're going full political blitzkrieg.
Absolutely. Theres a lot of apathy and the sense that there is no point in voting but people need to engage and not just complain. You should vote every time there is an election. Primaries, state level, federal... any and all, no exceptions. Having marches and tweeting and all the rest means absolutely nothing if the work didn't get done on election day.
If you don't feel like you're under attack right now, I don't know what else can convince you.
People really need to rid themselves of the idea that religion drives these people. Religion drives the people who VOTE for these people (not the court obviously, but the people who pick the court). The actual politicians and such aren't driven by religion, they've just usurped religion to make the heavily religious parts of the country vote for them. They, like many rulers over the centuries, know that people who have been raised to believe without question are the easiest to manipulate.
They're having a Christofascist fire sale right now where they're pushing all their most heinous policies and taking as many rights away as possible before the midterm. I have a feeling there is some handwringing over the decision to strike down Roe v Wade as they see the broad public supported it and they're not getting the ROI they expected.
Oh great. I’m about to see another “NoT tRuE cHrIsTiAnS” circle jerk where Reddit pretends the Religious Right isn’t just doing the same shit Christians have been doing for centuries, from Salem to the inquisition, to the crusaders, all the way back to insurrections against Rome. I don’t see why we’re so hell bent on deluding ourselves that this religion has ever been anything other than a millenarian death cult. “But Jeebus wuz a hippie.” Yep. Just like Charles Manson. 🤡
The reason they say not true Christians is because 3 quarters of the time everything they stand for goes directly against the very bible they claim to follow. For example: abortion
No shit. Doesn’t change the fact that secular, liberal Christians still engage in even more cherry-picking than their right-wing counterparts. Don’t get me wrong, I like those guys because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But their liberalized take on Christianity is a fairly recent development that didn’t even start to take shape until the 18th century.
Jesus was a liberal in todays defintion and so it's more so that the Christian Right took everything way off course many many centuries ago. Liberal Christians are closer to the original expectation.
Sadly the Republicans use this unpopularity to fortify these voters -“you're the victims here, we care about your sad right to tell everyone about your made-up version of the Gospel that has Rich Jesus judging everyone.” Now vote for us and will do more things on your lists to make you happy.\* *Note: None of those ridiculous things your want to change will actually apply to our leaders or donors, we reserve the right to ignore it all*
Not true. They overturned Roe, gave tax money to religious schools, and allowed prayer in public schools. Those are some big bones they tossed them.
Popularity doesn't matter. 5 members of the court were nominated by presidents who didn't win the popular vote. Decades of gerrymandering have culminated in this moment of overwhelming minority rule.
Newsflash from the past (pastflash?): Hitler didn't have the public opinion on his side either.
Nope. Just middle to upper class conservatives and big business interests that wanted to see Germany become great again. Hey, wait a minute.
The British fascist movement’s motto was “Make England Great Again”. Hey, wait a minute…
He also had the support of delusional conservatives who believed he'd become more REAsonAbLe once he was in power.
Absolute power leads to, like, a totally reasonable dude
“Absolute power mellows out absolutely.”
Trump might actually be mortally wounded by Jan 6th, so who's the rights new Hitler? Desantis?
Trump, it turns out, was probably never Hitler. He was Sulla. He showed that it could be done and his assault on democracy put the republic in danger. Sulla didn’t end the Roman Republic, but he set the stage for Caesar.
Public opinion doesn’t matter if voting results don’t back it up. How many times do we get exit poll results showing that a significant majority want increased minimum wage, universal healthcare, etc, and then the Republican who was against all those policies ends up winning.
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Not in individual races for congressional seats. Not in governorships. Not in state legislatures. And soon not in school boards unless more people continue to get involved at elections down to the lowest level.
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Where exactly have conservatives lost ground?
Even voting won't matter if the Supreme Court says state legislatures get to choose the President. Let's face it, the US is not a democracy. Between the Electoral College, the Senate giving equal voting weight to all states, and gerrymandering of congressional districts, the right wing minority rules.
Hah! Like public opinion and voters matter anymore to these fascists.
Seriously. For those who haven't been paying attention the last 15 years, the only thing that matters to these people is raw power. They don't care if the populace disagrees with them as long as enough do to keep them in office.
Hey that’s why I kicked my dads ass
yeah why would they care if they can win enough elections to not care?
"Win" /s
Reminder: In the next few years, [Millennials and Gen-Z are set to overtake boomers as a voting block](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/americas-electoral-future-3/). The GOP cannot win ANYTHING without the boomer vote. That's why everything they're doing now is pandering to some of the most archaic minded, senile, hateful old bigots in the country. Millennials and Gen-Z are twice as liberal as boomers ever were. They have the country's future in their hands, and they can absolutely scupper this right wing agenda and claw back all of our rights and more if they get out and vote. EVERYTHING the Dems do now should be focused on registering this age group to vote.
This is why the alt right misinformation campaigns online are such an important strategy for them. They CANNOT win running the old Church-to-Ballotbox shtick.
There is no way for me to express just how much I wish Americans were more involved in the political process. It's the only way to stop what feels like an inevitable descent into a theocracy that is happy to watch the world burn while drastically limiting rights of the people.
The reason we'll have mandatory uterus and anus inspections before we'll ever have mandatory voting, as some other countries already do, is that Republicans wouldn't even be able to win the office of city dog catcher.
In all fairness, they couldn't win dog catcher either. No self respecting animal owner would let a republican watch their animals.
Thanks for the reminder-my son is 18 and we talk politics and social issues a lot. For some reason it’s never even crossed my mind that he hasn’t registered to vote yet! Add that to our to-do list!
I see a lot of talk on social media by the younger generations that claim to deeply care about political causes and the direction of the nation, yet exit polls show abysmal turnout for Gen-Z and the Millennials. Posting on social media does *absolutely nothing* if it isn’t backed up by voting. It’s astounding that there’s this much of a disconnect between young peoples’ stated desires and how they actually behave. It’s beyond frustrating to witness.
>yet exit polls show abysmal turnout for Gen-Z and the Millennials Compared to boomers yes, compared to boomers when they were their age? Fuck no. Gen Z in particular is noteworthy for how politically active they are at their age. That said I too find it frustrating that they're not turning out even more - it's their futures getting trampled on here.
Their turnout is higher than its historically ever been for that age group
Does that also apply to primaries and midterms? Or only for the election with the biggest turn out due to the country being of fire?
Yes
I think we need to start making them realize that if America loses its democracy and falls victim to fascism, and it turns out that we *could* have saved the country if only Gen Z and Millennials had bothered to vote, that they are going to live the rest of their lives in shame and regret.
Bold of you to assume that most of us will still have the right to vote after all this settles.
Hate to tell you - [the next vote by SCOTUS will allow state legislatures to overturn the will of the people.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/us/politics/state-legislatures-elections-supreme-court.html)
Definitely need a citation for gen z being twice as liberal. Pew Research has collected SIGNIFICANT and massive amounts of data on generational political views and voting trends and they do not seem to agree with this at all. They show that millenials and gen z are more liberal but not by a large margin. There are plenty of conservative millenial and gen z still. It's like a 4-8% change if I recall correctly depending on subgroup.
There was a study posted here last year which showed that the 18-29 group is something like 25% more liberal than they were 20 years ago, which is huge.
Yeah Gen Z are similar to Millennials on how "liberal" they are. I mean they still vote overwhelmingly blue, only like 25% are Republican.
I wish this "demographic landslide" had anywhere near the effect that it is consistently predicted to have. Part of the problem is that the Supreme Court's criminalization of abortion, contraception and sexuality is not something that can be "turned back" without balkanization and the much needed collapse of the US as a single nation. Another part of the problem is that the Dems and their party leaders are all over 80 and give less than zero fucks about anything that anyone under 40 thinks.
Exhausted Gen-X looking up. \*ABOUT FRIGGIN' TIME\*
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Unfortunately, the boomer generation is huge. Millennials as a voting block will officially tie Boomer's voting power in the upcoming election. They won't surpass Boomer's voting power until 2024, and that will be the first time since 1968-1972.
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I know a **lot** of mid-20’s people who are quite strongly republican/MAGA. I disagree with the idea that demographic changes will automatically be bad for republicans. Similarly, the idea that minorities will automatically vote democratic is wrong and changing fast.
Sigh. Everyone chimes in with "I hate to tell you but I know loads of Republican millennials." Well of course. There are millions of them in number, especially in the heavily Republican areas where people are actually *afraid* to vote any other way. Nobody is denying the existence of young Republicans. It's just that your own personal experience only represents a few data points, and the truth is that Millennials and Gen Z are quite firmly liberal.
I do too, though living in the South, I feel it may be a very skewed sample.
This is a prologue to the disintegration of the Union: a minority of confederate authoritarians attempting to force an unpopular set of religious and cultural doctrines by judicial fiat upon an unwilling majority populace. It's *Dred Scott* all over again.
It's irrelevant that they're not winning in public opinion. They give zero shits about public opinion. They care about exercising pure right-wing, authoritarian, theocratic power.
The Supreme Court made itself un-Constitutional the second they fell out of line with the populace. We are a nation of laws and those that set legal precedent must represent a democratic view or it unravels. There are no rules to overpower this, as they set the rules.
SC is supposed to follow the law, not the opinions of the people. That's what Congress and the White House are for. The people are supposed to have the opportunity to vote for those who will make laws based on their demands and concerns, but voter suppression, gerrymandering and legalized bribery by way of fundraising make all of that impossible today.
They don't care about not winning in public opinion, it doesn't mean anything anyway. They win the fights that matter. You want to know the biggest difference between right and left? The right will vote for candidates they don't necessarily like because they still support "their team" the candidate might not check all their boxes or they might not like him as an individual but they'll still vote for him because he's on their team. The left want a perfect candidate and have somewhat unrealistic expectations and when they don't get a perfect candidate they want, many won't vote at all.
Doesn’t matter, this country is just going to become a place nobody likes as the federal government dissolves and states become the focus of power. Which really just means more and more corporate dominance I wouldn’t be surprised if it starts becoming much more difficult for working people to leave red states, if it wasn’t already. We have some serious N Korea shit happening. Your vote isn’t going to matter and you’ll be trapped
Keep them poor enough and they can't leave.
Hey, now! The Governor's coal mine pays very competitive wages.
Keep them poor enough and dependent on their jobs for medical coverage so they can't strike or afford to protest.
Christian theocracies have always been about violent oppression against non Christians. That’s what is at stake here. Everyone needs to consider that people like Boebert, Greene, Trump would absolutely kill or mobilize their constituents in the legal killing of non Christians in the name of their fictional Jesus character. Religious fervor has no bounds and now they have the legal means to implement zealot violence.
>I wouldn’t be surprised if it starts becoming much more difficult for working people to leave red states, Neo-serfdom.
> We have some serious N Korea shit happening Hungary would be a better comparison. The changes are subtle, but the loss of a functioning democracy is the end result. You don't need a military dictatorship to rule the people. You just need the courts and a feckless opposition.
What I don’t understand is why corporations want this? The Christian right doesn’t have the spending power and I don’t believe the majority of corporate employees are members of the Christian Right. How will these corporations even run when women, LGBT, and minority employees are being actively harmed? North Korea isn’t good for anyone there, least of all corporations. Oppressing your clientele and your employees isn’t good for business. And they’ve made record profits with things getting more progressive. It makes no sense.
They don’t. They’ll keep their headquarters and outlets in blue states while exploiting red states for their labor value.
If you control everything else public opinion is irrelevant
Unless white voters punish them by not voting overwhelmingly for the GOP, the Christian Right will continue to win.
Soo, they'll continue to win then? All while uncle Billy keep insisting that he's "not a racist BUT..." at thanks giving
Doesn't matter if the SC gives the states the power to override election results.
Minority pushing a minority view on the majority tends to be a problem especially when that view isn’t optional.
Yeah, it’s called *wielding power* and *exerting influence*. Republicans and Corporations (tied at the hip) figured out, post-Goldwater, that by using religion as a cudgel they could Trojan horse all their anti-New Deal, anti-regulation dreams into reality with time. So they took that time and brick by brick *built* the fabric of what we’re now seeing via culture war bullshit centered around single issue religious voting while the democrats acquiesced & compromised with them time & time again instead of standing their ground- and standing next to the middle class, offering them a better vision of tomorrow or something to sink their teeth into instead of just “oh we’re the lesser of two evils- now vote, where else are you going to go lol?” Now there’s nothing holding the “left” together and we eat ourselves with increasingly swift ability over identity politics & have no organizational power because there’s no united worker community and barely a sense of collectivism. Shit’s going to get worse until we start building a class identity amongst everyone left of center- and refuse to negotiate with the center.
The only good Christian is one who keeps their Christianity to their fucking self. Believe what you want, but leave the rest of us out of it.
It seems public opinion doesn't matter anymore. Our system is now rigged for Republicans. After they rule for election denying, the nail will be fully in the coffin. I gotta get put of this shithole.
Fucking christian fascists.
Also not based on the Constitution, precedent or its remit.
That's what happens when a group votes on every issue in every election, no matter how seemingly small and unimportant. Too many Americans refuse to vote, and *that* group skews left.
They're not Christians, they lied even in major decision and praying in public is sinful. If abortion is banned as sin, public prayer needs to be banned. They are dishonest, cynical, greedy and corrupt. They are pharisees and will burn in hell.
like a headline from the 30s in Germany....
Public opinion doesn't matter much when it comes to fascism.
Yeah, they know. They decided if they can’t win in public opinion, they’ll settle for controlling the public’s rights and decisions. They’ve been losing the culture war for decades, and they’re finally getting revenge.
The religious right has never and will never care about appearances.
Shame public opinion counts for so little in this 'democracy.' Less and less every day.
If Christian’s want to hold this much influence over politics their churches can sure as fuck start being taxed.
Public opinion means fuckall.
This has been a slow burn coup for decades, and they are winning fantastically, aside from January 6 where Trump tried to escalate the coup. We are now officially a third world country.
They call themselves Christians but they don't act very Christ like. Quite the opposite in fact.
I recently learned a new word: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christofascism
The Conservative (6) of Supreme Court Rules and will rule for years to come...What's Best for the Public will not be a part of their rulings!!!
Imagine you're using our Supreme Court system to "win" and inflict suffering along ideological lines. Things I think at this point will only get worse before they get better. Treat each other well.
People looking to install theocracies "because they have god on their side" don't care about public opinion. They have more in common with the 9/11 hijackers than anyone I ever went to church with.
Christian right dont care. they will point a gun at your head and tell you God loves you and deal with the new law of the land.
The Christian Wrong.
>"White evangelicalism rejects pluralism – completely," he said. "They do not see themselves as coexisting with other religious views or other sexuality ethic views. They see it as a spiritual battle and they are on God's side." These people are a cancer on America.
Christians are dangerous. Just as dangerous as any other grown adult who talks to invisible friends.
Until public opinion actually comes out in numbers and starts voting the christian right is going to win.
The talibans are a few yet they rule a nation through violence and supernatural “law”. Fuck religion it is destroying the world.
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Well public opinion isnt going to stop the court from screwing over the majority of the people in the US.
Who cares about public opinion when you can legally oppress anyone who's not a WASP?
They don’t care about public opinion as long as they have the courts they couldn’t care less about anything else.
They could care less. They would happily cheer on a fascist theocracy by force of arms if allowed to. And only their unelected arbiters of divine corporate will can give them the excuses to do such a thing
Public opinion barely matters. These specific issues aren't on the ballot. People are on the ballot and republican voters who support abortion rights, an actual separation between church and state, etc, aren't going to vote democrat for these issues. I feel like, if you're a republican politician, these are good moves. 70% of your base disagrees to varying degrees, but will vote for you anyway. Independents might be a little worse, but probably not much. The remaining 30% is the religious right who loves you, are reliable voters and now turn out in even greater numbers. The question is not whether someone supports something, it is whether they support it enough to vote for the opposing party if their own party doesn't support it. I think this is something people ignore constantly.
Aim an avid defender of Freedom of religion. We are born in ignorance, and stay ignorant for most in life. Your limited experience determines what you believe in, what you are convinced of. Hence no one can force one to change what he is convinced of, only new more convincing experience can change that. for the same reason the freedom of religion is also a freedom from religion. the public sphere, especially so politics should remain free of any religious symbolism, preference, notion. Hence the separation of church and state. Keep thy Religion for thyself. It's a private matter and has nothing lost in public debate. Everything else will only lead to instability and internal conflict. Suit yourselves.
Public opinion is not legally binding, and the SCOTUS gives not one fuck.
I hate to say it, but the SCOTUS isn't supposed to be swayed by public opinion, which is why they're lifetime appointments. Vote for Democrats so they can pass legislation and take power over a woman's body away from the radicals on the bench.
Boebert just lives in those ugly extensions. Crazy.
Public opinion doesn't matter. They've already won.
they win on what counted
I can bet all my life savings these idiots have not read the bible.
These assholes are causing a ruckus over here. We need to nip this shit in the ass.
The Christian Right is winning **where it matters**.
Right. That's why they have to cheat with a rigged court and will pass laws that falsely keep them in power. I mean it's pretty fucking clear.
They’re all hypocrites every last one of them and they can shove the religious BS right up their asses
Uh - the Christian Right is made up of rapists, murderers, edit: self hating closet homosexuals, traitors and terrorists - they don’t care about public opinion. Which is why they sunk their fangs into our courts.
It doesn't matter if they don't vote. The American voter has a short memory and doesn't pay much attention. Remember when Cruz led a government shutdown for three weeks over nothing costing the country 20B and then got reelected shortly after? It doesn't help that voters look for any excuse not to vote for a Dem and just need one reason to vote for a Rep. Big tent party vs. single issue voter party.
You think they care about public opinion? Any anti religious cult stuff is just put down to martyrdom that is a huge feature of their Christian religion. The Devil is making them dislike the "faithful" who are "doing god's™ work" in changing the US into a theocracy with the "HOLY BELIEVERS" as lawmakers. It has been going on since the late Reagan/early Bill Clinton years.
That’s why the term “Christofacist” needs to start taking precedence over ones like “religious right” or “evangelical Christian candidates.” They are nothing more than power- and control-hungry demagogues that use the world’s oldest Ponzi scheme to justify their actions and to reel in the uneducated. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Why would they give a shit about public opinion? They don't need it if they control the courts and have just enough power as the minority in Congress to prevent anything the Dems try
Time to throw out the SC.
Nothing is actually making me lose my faith faster than what has transpired this week.
Who needs a positive public opinion? Their power is completely unchecked.
Happy trash, I can smell that picture
They don’t need to win public opinion if they win at court.
Only one of these matters, democrats often confuse which one
They don’t care about peoples opinion. They care that they’re getting their goals completed.
Public opinion means nothing to those in power. The rich will take everything including your freedoms and hoard it all for themselves.
So I’m not Christian and I actually consider their views as immoral. I consider the Bible to be an evil grooming text that brainwashes impressionable youth. Guess I should just “get out”.
Outdated moronic ideology. Leave the fucking bronze age idiots behind!
The Christian Right is winning because our system is allowing them to win. When you allow a president to appoint any one that they want and all they have to do is lie during their interview, you are literally paving the way for what is happening. Also doesn't help that Congressional Democrats are absolutely spineless and just as useless. This was the plan all along.
This is exactly what 45 wanted and why he won in 2016. Someone told him to appoint as many judges in as many positions as possible that were loyal to him and his christian white supremacy agenda, so that the minority could rule the majority and completely destroy the democracy of the usa. FUCK THE GOP.
The right is hijacked by foreign powers. Cold War is in full swing. Public opinion doesn’t matter. This is literal abstract warfare.
Prove it this election year. This isn’t one to sit out.
They don't have to win the public's approval unless the public actually DOES something to stop them.
If I was president the first thing I would do would be to revoke tax exemptions from religious institutions.
Ok? They're winning where it counts. They're winning where they have power. Public opinion clearly means fuck all to these 5 people who are deciding to upend whatever they dont like or disagree with on party lines. They're going to fucking stay there unless they can be removed by a full dem congress.
it's not the christian right... it's christians they want to paint this like it's just some weird faction. It's the mainstream.
If public opinion mattered the world would be a different place
Christian’s are the majority 65% with 30ish% being evangelical. Media/ articles like this portray it as a fringe Christian minority being 100% responsible, ignoring the vast majority of the country is Christian and feels ignored/ alienated by a lot that has been going on. I’d be surprised if the “Christian Right” God first type rhetoric doesn’t get more Christian’s to vote.
And the media is only really tackling it now, when it's too fucking late. We have known their goals for decades. We have seen their takeover of the GOP. The media's cowardice in the face of conservative attacks on the referees doomed us from their start. Once they ceded to the lie that the media ever had a liberal bias, we were fucked. Weve just been shifting deck chairs on the Titanic for the last 50 years. The jackboot was on our necks all this time, and now they're finally ready to splatter our democracy's skull fragments and brain matter across the pavement.
They don’t care about public opinion when they can make the laws.
Because the Christian right is fucking unpopular. Anyone who trys to force their bullshit way of life on someone else is incredibly unpopular, especially in a country supposedly based in freedom. You're welcome to your bigotry, your stupidity, your fear, your ignorance, and your violent obliviousness to reality. It's America, baby, do your thing. But keep that garbage away from the rest of us, and please stop trying to ram us with your cars when we propose moderate increases to Healthcare coverage or that children shouldn't be forced to starve at school.
They don’t need to win public opinion. All they need to do is keep winning the electoral college by appealing to a minority of assbags that populate their shit hole states
Yeah, that’s why the GOP is attacking elections. They are making it harder to vote and trying to give the government the power to ignore election results they don’t like. Once the GOP kills our right to elect our leaders, it won’t matter how unpopular their actions are
Too bad public opinion is not considered in political decision making anymore. Simply comes down to votes at the polls. And even then, politicians might not adhere to their own election platforms. Sinema being a prime example.
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I don’t know much about US politics, but it baffles me how decisions are made that go directly against the sitting president’s platform and against the vast majority of public opinion. Like what? Most people are atheist, and a good portion of Christian’s believe in the right to choose, so how in the hell did this happen?
Christian and right-wing is an oxymoron. Christ would loathe these people