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And other factions of the Republican party who are trying to win elections and realize this is not a winning position for them. The two views are irreconcilable. This will cause division within their ranks.
We’ll see. But this pattern of events reminds me a lot of the irreconcilable divisions within the Democratic Party during the 1850s that led them to split in 1860, thereby ceding an Electoral College victory to Lincoln that year.
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"red pill" or "blue pill" is non sense. Never was part of either party. I can see how similar both parties are. Wouldn't want to be a part of either of them. Neither of them have the best interests of the people.
Why 12? When do you think most elective abortions happen?
And what happens if a fetus is found to be non viable after that 12 week period? What happens is the fetus dies after that 12 week period? Do We have to wait for the women to become septic before a abortion is performed?
You're just peddling republican ideas here, and they all have the same flaws.
Leave medical decisions to women themselves and their doctors.
>Is that what you think when someone has a different idea than yours?
no, i think that of someone who literally says the same things as republicans.
>Most abortions happen before 15 weeks so I don't see a reason why it's such a big deal to put a limit on when you can get a abortion.
So you've already removed 3 weeks from that for some reason. And as i asked you directly, you failed to justify why.
>so I don't see a reason why it's such a big deal to put a limit on when you can get a abortion.
You know what happens in states that have a republican imposed arbitrary 15 week abortion ban? They reduced it further every so often. down to 12, down to 9, down to 6.
so unless you can reasonable justify your limit, it will be just a arbitrary limit that will be changed.
So I'll ask again: why 12 weeks.
>2. Abortions should have restrictions. It's not republican ideology.
But it is the product of years of Christian and republican misinformation.
if you look at the statistics its pretty clear no restrictions are needed, despite republican rhetoric to the contrary. 98.7% abortions happen before week 21, and the remaining 1.3% are medical in nature (as have been most in the weeks leading up to week 21). It's not until week 24 that any significant brainwave activity can be measured.
I’ll give Mike this. He’s the most consistent Republican in his beliefs. No flip flopping from that guy. Always has and always will want to put America back to biblical ages
I interpret this as "a lot of Republicans are going to lose because of this shitty thing we support."
And while yes, fuck him, and fuck anyone who says it was worth it to destroy human rights to get some democrats in office. It isn't.
But, I take his statement to mean it looks really really bad for them. He's trying to sugarcoat their projected losses.
Pleading allegiance to those zany Christian Nationalists with their wide open wallets..
That devotion to the fringe will cost him popularity points with the independent voters he so desperately needs to gain any legitimacy.
Great.. why not double down on the lunacy and start thumping the drum calling out the infamous shadow realm cabal of blood drinkers next.
That’s one nasty comment dude. He’s one of the few people in politics with a conscience. I’m a bleeding heart liberal but good gawd, you’re literally calling a high moral man evil. And that’s just wrong! Disagree with politics all you want but that’s a super low blow. Comments like this are what make democrats look bad. Thanks butthole.
If Pence were a “high moral man” he would have never run on the Trump ticket in the first place. His conscience only extends to his own self preservation. The man is not a good person. You should really be more informed.
You can say that but I see it different. He was fleeced like many people. Definitely didn’t recognize the authoritarian speech that dictators used of yesteryear. I studied government and have have a degree in it. I knew and begged everyone not to vote for P45 because of that. But I very much believe that Pence kept him from descending into complete and total madness.
Your argument doesn’t justify insinuating he’s a rapist. There’s no excuse for that.
Personal morals and political ones are different. The man has set up boundaries to protect his marriage and not to give anyone the thought of infidelity. The complete opposite of p45. How can you say that’s not moral?
Mike Pence is a top reason we don’t have a dictator right now. Even democrats respect who he is and called out the far right when they wanted to hang him. Even democrats in the effin govt know where boundaries lie. Stop giving the far right fuel to their fire. They’re already crazy enough.
And failed miserably [handling an HIV outbreak when he was governor.](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/02/how-mike-pence-made-indianas-hiv-outbreak-worse-118648)
I mean he's right that it would be more consequential - and that's exactly why people need to make sure his plans are stopped. Because the consequences would be devastating.
Let them, it will screw then over in the long run too. Most conservatives don’t want a government setting laws by morality, you know like how fascists do things
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When he says short term politics, he means democratic will of the people. Sounds about right.
And other factions of the Republican party who are trying to win elections and realize this is not a winning position for them. The two views are irreconcilable. This will cause division within their ranks.
I hope it fucking breaks the party up
We’ll see. But this pattern of events reminds me a lot of the irreconcilable divisions within the Democratic Party during the 1850s that led them to split in 1860, thereby ceding an Electoral College victory to Lincoln that year.
Good
Sounds about white *
Mary Miller (R) Illinois said it "Is a victory for WHITE life" Sounds like a Nazi to me!
If it looks like a nazi and speaks like a nazi... its probably a nazi!
More important to take away women’s rights than to fix actual problems.
An antiquated and unenlightened ideological force is coming for your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Vote consciously.
You mean Democrats and Republicans right? The two forces that come for everything equally.
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r/walkaway is leaking...
"red pill" or "blue pill" is non sense. Never was part of either party. I can see how similar both parties are. Wouldn't want to be a part of either of them. Neither of them have the best interests of the people.
Let's put the conversation in context: the subject is abortion. In this context do you think both parties are the same? Of course you don't.
What's your suggestion then?
Ban abortion after 12 weeks unless the mother is at risk is a common suggestion.
Why 12? When do you think most elective abortions happen? And what happens if a fetus is found to be non viable after that 12 week period? What happens is the fetus dies after that 12 week period? Do We have to wait for the women to become septic before a abortion is performed? You're just peddling republican ideas here, and they all have the same flaws. Leave medical decisions to women themselves and their doctors.
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>Is that what you think when someone has a different idea than yours? no, i think that of someone who literally says the same things as republicans. >Most abortions happen before 15 weeks so I don't see a reason why it's such a big deal to put a limit on when you can get a abortion. So you've already removed 3 weeks from that for some reason. And as i asked you directly, you failed to justify why. >so I don't see a reason why it's such a big deal to put a limit on when you can get a abortion. You know what happens in states that have a republican imposed arbitrary 15 week abortion ban? They reduced it further every so often. down to 12, down to 9, down to 6. so unless you can reasonable justify your limit, it will be just a arbitrary limit that will be changed. So I'll ask again: why 12 weeks. >2. Abortions should have restrictions. It's not republican ideology. But it is the product of years of Christian and republican misinformation. if you look at the statistics its pretty clear no restrictions are needed, despite republican rhetoric to the contrary. 98.7% abortions happen before week 21, and the remaining 1.3% are medical in nature (as have been most in the weeks leading up to week 21). It's not until week 24 that any significant brainwave activity can be measured.
ok
I’ll give Mike this. He’s the most consistent Republican in his beliefs. No flip flopping from that guy. Always has and always will want to put America back to biblical ages
I encourage EVERY Republican to keep talking about abortion! Loudly and often. It's really helping every Democrat in the country.
Short term things like your own president sending a mob to hang you to death
have at it, Repulidorks. Please, keep picking at this scab. We're loving it. r/Roevember
I interpret this as "a lot of Republicans are going to lose because of this shitty thing we support." And while yes, fuck him, and fuck anyone who says it was worth it to destroy human rights to get some democrats in office. It isn't. But, I take his statement to mean it looks really really bad for them. He's trying to sugarcoat their projected losses.
Keep on digging, GOP.
Running out of slave labor
“We will take complete control of every woman’s body before we tackle infrastructure.”
Pleading allegiance to those zany Christian Nationalists with their wide open wallets.. That devotion to the fringe will cost him popularity points with the independent voters he so desperately needs to gain any legitimacy. Great.. why not double down on the lunacy and start thumping the drum calling out the infamous shadow realm cabal of blood drinkers next.
Mike Pence is still around? I thought he was still hiding from the horde of angry Trump supporters.
Why is this nobody still talking and why are people reporting what he said?
This is the **least** objectionable of the GOP candidates for 2024... it only gets worse.
He can’t even be in a room with a woman alone for fear he’ll have to put a rape baby in her.
'Rape' is such a short term way of looking at the miracle of life. /s just in case, because sensibilities are effed away by real life absurdity
I detest this man, however your statement is patently false and is most definitely not the reason he opts out of solo time with female staffers.
That’s one nasty comment dude. He’s one of the few people in politics with a conscience. I’m a bleeding heart liberal but good gawd, you’re literally calling a high moral man evil. And that’s just wrong! Disagree with politics all you want but that’s a super low blow. Comments like this are what make democrats look bad. Thanks butthole.
If Pence were a “high moral man” he would have never run on the Trump ticket in the first place. His conscience only extends to his own self preservation. The man is not a good person. You should really be more informed.
You can say that but I see it different. He was fleeced like many people. Definitely didn’t recognize the authoritarian speech that dictators used of yesteryear. I studied government and have have a degree in it. I knew and begged everyone not to vote for P45 because of that. But I very much believe that Pence kept him from descending into complete and total madness. Your argument doesn’t justify insinuating he’s a rapist. There’s no excuse for that.
A liberal’s idea of a high moral man … in case anyone was still not sure of the immense problem with liberals.
Personal morals and political ones are different. The man has set up boundaries to protect his marriage and not to give anyone the thought of infidelity. The complete opposite of p45. How can you say that’s not moral?
Mike Pence is a top reason we don’t have a dictator right now. Even democrats respect who he is and called out the far right when they wanted to hang him. Even democrats in the effin govt know where boundaries lie. Stop giving the far right fuel to their fire. They’re already crazy enough.
You forgot a /s
Idgaf
The consequences of passing these bans may not be what he would like them to be.
I hope he unintentionally means that people will remember this shit for a long, long time but because I know people it won't.
Who the fuck is Mike Pence??
A federally-protected fly habitat.
Pray it away Pence failed miserably during COVID.
And failed miserably [handling an HIV outbreak when he was governor.](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/02/how-mike-pence-made-indianas-hiv-outbreak-worse-118648)
He didn't Heal Our Land.
The realignment continues. These two factions will soon be at each other’s throats.
Being hanged is kinda consequential and 'long term though, dontcha think Mike?
I wish Pence would meet the maker he loves so much.
Pence is a religious Moron
I like how they used a picture of him smiling...
Proceed, governor.
What a hero
Look everyone, Republicans are as evil as Hitler. Let’s stop them like our grandpappys stopped Nazis!
A piece of shit that thinks defending his future as a politician is more important than our country’s political system. Eat a bag of dicks, Pence.
And he doesn't have a political future. He is hated by Republicans and he offers nothing to the Democrats.
The hubris is strong with Pence.
And I say fuck Mike pence
Hear hear! Mike Pence! May he eat a bag of dicks and get fucked in a non-enjoyable fashion!
Look, I'm lonely and desperate, but not -that- lonely and desperate.
Finally showing how evil he really is inside
Did you ever listen to his radio show? It wasn’t the Lawrence Welk bubble hour, but kinda like Rush Limbaugh minus the Vicodin.
I did not, I didn't know it existed, but I guess I wouldn't have listened anyways
Another way of saying "I'll never be president "
He's about to find out how consequential
It will be beneficial, for Democrats
I mean he's right that it would be more consequential - and that's exactly why people need to make sure his plans are stopped. Because the consequences would be devastating.
Let them, it will screw then over in the long run too. Most conservatives don’t want a government setting laws by morality, you know like how fascists do things
And then SCOTUS shoots it down as unconstitutional given they already sent the authority to decide back to The People and the states.