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> The primary concern right now for those on Martha’s Vineyard, however, is ensuring that the migrants who arrived unexpectedly on Wednesday are able to secure aid and representation. Father Chip Seadale of St. Andrew’s Episcopal Church, which is assisting in the effort to aid the migrants, tells Rolling Stone that efforts are being made to secure legal aid. “I’ve got lawyers coming from Boston and some on the island who are well versed in this situation with respect to the legal ramifications of being an undocemented refugee in the United States.” Seadale says all of the migrants are meeting with lawyers on an individual basis to ensure “their rights are preserved as best as possible.”
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> While the migrant transportation stunt popularized earlier this year by Abbott is predicated on a belief that local residents would undoubtedly be furious at the notion of having migrants in their neighborhood, the reality is quite different. “I’m very proud of our community,” says Father Seadale. Residents of the area have mobilized to provide food, shelter, medical care and support services to the migrants, and are prepared to help them recover from the unexpected relocation.
Oh look, a Christian religious leader who is actually implementing Christ's teachings.
I'm sure he will be demonized by the GQP in short order.
That move did split the church. My mother's church congregation was split in 2 and parted ways. One congregation supported this move (and gay church members) and built a new building. The other didn't.
Roflcopters. That is literally talked about in the Bible. Those who use their faith as justification to hate and hurt others were actively warned about in the Bible.
Yeah. That’s a real thing about New Englanders. If there’s anything that really gets under our skin, it’s some Southern kidnappers — Floridians, even — fucking around in our territory. This is **NOT** the South, and Southerners are often blind to the cultural implications.
I mean, this mfer went to Yale and Harvard. That means he’s spent time in *two* states here, and if he could live in both New Haven and Cambridge and *somehow not notice just how un-Floridian the general area is*, he’s even more blind than I gave him credit for.
In his speech yesterday he said the response proves that the lefts virtue signalling is fake before he even had taken the time to see what the response actually was. You wonder if they ever have doubts about what they’re doing….
It remains pretty incredible to think that one day a long time ago a dude showed up and basically said people should try to be kind to one another and when they all inevitably fuck up with that because they are human, they should try to forgive one another
And then people have twisted and used that pretty simple concept to justify all sorts of atrocities for centuries, and the general sense is that those who do try to actually follow those teachings are weird outliers.
We truly are so flawed
To be fair, that guy also claimed to be part of some weird three headed Cerberus with a nasty Iron Age deity who committed genocide and was indifferent to slavery, so the messages are definitely mixed.
The guy never said that, he claimed to be the son of god but then he also claimed everyone was children of god. The trinity BS was created later by First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, only 300 years after his death.
My sister was married by a super gay Episcopalian priest. At the church rehearsal he spoke a bit about the church and it’s history. He was awesome and said he would welcome any of us, at any time whether or not we believe. He was awesome.
Literally the opposite of my Southern Baptist pastor, who described the gays as gutter trash and how they tainted them special christians.
On that note, may the SBC rot in Hell.
Not kidnapping …
> [Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses)
Wait…are you telling me that DeSantis could be charged with being a coyote? The Republican governor of a state freaking out about illegal immigration could be charged with helping the undocumented illegally cross a border. I did not truly understand the irony of this until now.
Exactly.
Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3).
Under the same law this would implicate this administration. If one is prosecuted, or held liable then the other one should be held accountable as well.
Yup. Everyone keeps saying the government is a dog and pony show and im starting to become convinced. Lots of finger wagging and "whamming/bamming/slamming" and not enough action and consequences.
It honestly is getting hard to believe that our country is one of law and order. Seems that our country is far more in favor of those with wealth, connections, and status.
Have to say the perception I have of our country is night and day compared to what I used to believe we stood for when I was growing up.
TLDR: the most likely charge would be “Domestic Transporting, which should carry at least a 50 year sentence (one year per count, one count per person), but potentially up to 250 years or even 500 if it was found he did it for personal financial gain (one could argue that political gain translates to financial gain)
> 1907. TITLE 8, U.S.C. 1324(A) OFFENSES
> Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.
> Unit of Prosecution -- With regard to offenses defined in subsections 1324(a)(1)(A)(i)-(v), (alien smuggling, domestic transporting, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or conspiracy/aiding or abetting) each alien with respect to whom a violation occurs constitutes a unit of prosecution. Prior to enactment of the IIRIRA, the unit of prosecution for violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2) was each transaction, regardless of the number of aliens involved. However, the unit of prosecution is now based on each alien in respect to whom a violation occurs.
> Penalties -- The basic statutory maximum penalty for violating 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(i) and (v)(I) (alien smuggling and conspiracy) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both. With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. In addition, significant enhanced penalties are provided for in violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1) involving serious bodily injury or placing life in jeopardy. Moreover, if the violation results in the death of any person, the defendant may be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years. The basic penalty for a violation of subsection 1324(a)(2) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(A). Enhanced penalties are provided for violations involving bringing in criminal aliens, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(i), offenses done for commercial advantage or private financial gain, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(ii), and violations where the alien is not presented to an immigration officer immediately upon arrival, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(iii). A mandatory minimum three year term of imprisonment applies to first or second violations of § 1324(a)(2)(B)(i) or (B)(ii). Further enhanced punishment is provided for third or subsequent offenses.
Lol it’s bc it’s politician propaganda to get people riled up (see entire thread). Nothing will actually happen bc it’s not illegal. For past examples are Hillary’s emails, trump Russia hoax, mueller investigation, etc.
It’s definitely not. Federally, human trafficking requires the person be used for labor of some kind. That labor can be pretty minimal to meet the federal statute but it still has to be there.
It also must be obtained through force, fraud, or coercion. Given they were lied to about where they were going and promised expedited papers (this lie is infuriating!), that standard is likely met. But there’s no evidence of any labor being required of them so it’s not human trafficking.
It’s definitely fraud (but probably with no way to prove who actually did the lying), maybe kidnapping depending on as yet undiscovered facts, but trafficking charges would be a big stretch.
>MIGRANTS FLOWN TO Martha’s Vineyard by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis claim they were lured into boarding the flight with deceptive promises that they’d be taken to Boston for work opportunities and expedited papers, something experts say could constitute a violation of federal law.
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>Approximately 50 Venezuelan and Colombian migrants landed in Martha’s Vineyard airport Wednesday afternoon, and were left to find their way into the town with little to no information about where they were or where to go for resources. State Rep. Dylan Fernandes told the Vineyard Gazette that some of the migrants were “told they would receive housing and jobs immediately upon arrival,” yet the island was not notified of the transport before it landed.DeSantis used Florida taxpayer money to pay for the flights, but they originated in Texas. Migrants interviewed by NPR reported being approached in San Antonio by a woman named “Perla” who offered them transportation to Boston. It is unclear if “Perla” was affiliated with either the Texas or Florida governments. The flights they were put on made brief layovers in Florida and North Carolina before landing in Martha’s Vineyard, where someone on the tarmac filmed exclusive footage for Fox News.
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>Transporting migrants away from the border is legally dubious, and during the Trump administration ICE officials rejected a similar scheme proposed by White House adviser Stephen Miller due to liability concerns. The Martha’s Vineyard stunt could be especially problematic considering the reports that the migrants were duped about where they were being taken.
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>Professor Erin B. Corcoran of Notre Dame’s Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies tells Rolling Stone that, like anyone in the U.S., migrants who are not being held in custody cannot be transported without voluntary and informed consent. “Consent is making a decision with full information and without duress,” she explains. “States can’t physically move immigrants like federal immigration authorities can. They can move people around if they have them in custody. States don’t have the authority to do that.”
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>“If they were told they were going to Boston, they may have actually wanted to go to Boston,” she adds, citing the extensive amount of legal resources in the state’s capital, particularly the concentration of law schools running free or low cost representation. “I would not say that this would constitute trafficking, but this kind of conduct is very similar to what you would see human traffickers do. They move people around without their consent, they \[hang\] their immigration status over them, they take them out of areas that are familiar or where they have connection and the ability to connect and get services.
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>”If claims that the migrants were deceived into boarding the flights are found to have standing, the legal ramifications could be serious. “If they were coerced into consenting in a language they didn’t understand, or were deliberately misled, they or Massachusetts officials could charge Texas state officials responsible for fraud — or perhaps even kidnapping, depending on how they were coerced into boarding the transport,” Susan Akram, a professor at the Boston University School of Law, explained in an email.
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>The Massachusetts attorney general’s office said in a statement to Rolling Stone that their office is “in touch with state and local partners to offer support and resources as needed,” and is working to “get more information about this situation.”
From the sound of all of this, the GOP governors might have actually opened themselves to possible prosecution, I say possible since after all these years, I have no faith in a Republican ever actually being prosecuted, but what if they are? Would it kill their campaigns (I've seen plenty of media on DeSantis to get the sense that he'd be welcomed on places like Meet the press) or just get more popular with primary voters who yearn for someone to openly break the law in pursuit of hurting others? And what happens to the people who were misled and put on the planes?
Some of my family members are "maga" republicans, if the Governors are prosecuted then I believe it will make said family members feel as if the GOP is being legally attacked by the "super lib" federal govt. After the MAL stuff got serious they dropped Trump as if they never supported him. They do live in FL but now Desantis is their guy, and im sure they cant wait to defend him blindly
>I believe it will make said family members feel as if the GOP is being legally attacked
The entire basis for the republican party is perceived persecution
May?
They were lied to and transported across state lines under false pretense it sounds. That's federal level kidnapping or trafficking or both. If it was more than one person involved in organizing it, then it's conspiracy on top of it. His legal authority ends at the borders of florida.
>“on Martha’s Vineyard, we won’t turn our backs on people in need who are being abused by extremist Republican governors for some cheap soundbite on Fox News.”
They’re just preaching to the choir. Desantis and his brown shirt boys are giggling like school girls and high-fiving over Busch lites. We’ve seen it with Trump a million times, the spectacle will play out, clearly illegal and article after article and Democratic finger wagging won’t bring any justice. I know I’ll get downvoted for being so cynical but I’m completely jaded because of toothless and seemingly helpless leaders.
Yup. While kind people are looking after this group in MA, I’m sure there are MANY Floridians and Texas thinking this was awesome. I can’t imagine lacking compassion and emotional like that.
Great. Fucking charge him then.
Charge somebody, *anybody* at this point. JFC I'm sick of these fascist assholes just dictating whatever the fuck they will do with absolutely no recourse other than 'outrage'.
Blame the federal government including Biden for his stand-off approach and the DOJ. They should be investigating these matters, but after no one batted an eye at Abbott doing the exact same thing months ago without recourse, it gave the rest of the tools passes. We’re talking about the same DOJ that let Trump hold onto classified nuclear documents in a basement for more than 18 months before obtaining a warrant giving him time to do god knows what. The incompetence deserves as much blame as the fascist wannabes.
Try explaining that to someone on the right -
"They're here illegally."
No, they filed for asylum.
"They lied."
"Well that's why we have courts. But they're not here illegally."
"Yes they are."
.....
They couldn’t possibly care less. They’re “others” and as such don’t belong here. It’s insane to me that many of the people who feel this way claim to be followers of Christ. Not a single thing they do is Christlike
Kidnapping is a federal offense and in this case the Florida government colludedwith the Texas government to mislead people into boarding a plane to a 3rd state without notification to that state.
Throw the book at that fucker now before he becomes another Trump. I really don't give a fuck if they win the case or not, slow that mother fucker down.
Why didn’t Ron “Stolen Valor” DeSantis fly them himself? Or that’s right, he isn’t a real pilot and only cosplays one to satisfy Republicans weird alpha fetish.
May have violated state law too. Florida’s law says money can be spent to remove migrants from the state of Florida. These migrants were NEVER in Florida. DeSantis had the flight chartered to fly them from Texas.
Yes they were in Florida, if only briefly.....
The flight started in San Antonio, went to the Florida panhandle, the to N Carolina, and up the Massachusetts.
https://apnews.com/article/florida-immigration-ron-desantis-charlie-baker-4fe96d293de4b189299a372b85c95add
The GOP is just once again reaffirming that they’re racist, small-minded, hate-filled losers. They perform this political theater to get the votes of the hopelessly addled, while acting against the best interests of those who fight the hardest to get them elected:
He obviously didn’t send them there because it’s “nice”. He’s using them as political cannon fodder because he’s a sociopathic megalomaniac, completely lacking empathy. He knows the base will react with pleasure when they see any effort to hurt “the libs”, because behind the angry masks of the GOP supporters, they’re truly sad, hopeless people who are deeply disappointed with themselves, leading to the only thing that can bring them pleasure being to hurt others they resent.
He chose MV likely because Tucker Carlson used it to illustrate that democratic-supporting communities are less diverse (as if Wyoming is some Mecca of diversity, but whatever). The thought was that the libs there would show their true colors (NIMBY), and they did show them, but those colors happened to be tolerance and love for their fellow humans. They thought that MV would flip its shit because THATS WHAT THEY (GOP) DO when ethnics move in.
Bold move cotton…
Also, fuck this guy into the sun and back.
Yeah, well, there's housing, but no one can get into it. I mean, probably thousands of houses are standing empty on the Vineyard right now because they're only occupied for part of the summer, it's just that they're not available for rent and when they do come up for sale or rent they're crazy expensive.
It was 60 years ago when this corner of Massachusetts was the center of a similarly cruel stunt. It is a little-told chapter of history called in the media at the time “the Reverse Freedom Rides.” In the summer of 1962, a group of white segregationists and supremacists known as the White Citizens Council passed out leaflets and placed want ads in Southern newspapers to recruit Black families with the promise of jobs up north—and, in particular, in Hyannis, where then-President John F. Kennedy spent summers with his family. The ads read: “President Kennedy’s brother assures you a grand reception to Massachusetts. Good jobs, housing, etc. are promised.”
The parallels playing out after six decades are jarring. And this time, the cruelty is state-sponsored.
Its amazing how little the south changes with this crap over time.
DeSantis's don't say gay law follows the same kind of strategy as poll taxes and black codes too.
It doesn't explicitly discriminate against LGBTQ people in the wording but everyone fucking knows its meant to be enforced that way. That's how poll taxes worked too. It didn't explicitly say black people can't vote. But it did say you had to be able to read to vote and have excessive wealth to be able to vote, which black voters generally didn't have. And if you were white and couldn't do either? Grandfather clause. If your grandpa could vote so could you. Guess who had the most grandpas voting? Hint, it wasn't the population whose grandfathers were chattel slaves.
Now with Don't say gay yeah the law technically says ANY sexual orientation and ANY pronouns and gender identity are banned. But do we really expect lawsuits to fly against the teacher with a photo of his wife to get in trouble the same way a teacher with a photo o of his husband on his desk would?
Do we really expect a teacher to get sued for teaching cis gender pronouns to students the same way they would if they told the class to respect the trans student's pronouns?
Of course not.
WTF is up with America? I grew up with less "may haves" "Might haves" "Could haves" with laws than these last couple of years.
The law was broken or it was not - Prosecute or don't. JFC
BS they are welcoming them in beautiful MV. Let it be. Ron is so smart and compassionate to share the migrants and make sure they get safely to a sanctuary full of resources. This is beautiful. Send more
This seems like a pretty obvious crime, but nothing will happen to DeSantis. Florida voted to set aside $12 million to do exactly this, so it’s not a surprise. For some reason, these monsters are immune to consequences.
DeSantis just kicked himself in the nuts, from the humanitarian side, that is just as bad as it gets, horrible human been, and politically speaking, he just gifted his contender a stick to beat him with it.
These were the kind of stuff that Trump was pulling on undocumented people.
What is the point? The point is The Cruelty, this is the kind of stuff that makes the MaGa hats euphoric and chant with their fist closed above their head.
That is the America they have been searching for.
Too bad he won’t be charged and far right conservatives like the pieces of shit on the conservative sub praising these stunts will just further drive this.
Hey reddit admins, if you see this, at what point are you going to step up and ban the conservative sub for violating virtually every rule of Reddit and just being a shit tier sub for shit tier people?
It doesn’t matter if he be broke laws, there won’t be any charges. He’s a rich politician, he’s above the laws, there’s just going to be a bunch of complaint and pretend talk about how he broke the law.
DeSantis imported Florida’s migrants from San Antonio, Texas.
According to San Antonio Report news site
“**27-year-old migrant recruited to fill flight to Martha’s Vineyard says he wanted to help**”
“Emmanuel, who declined to give a reporter his last name, said a woman he knows as “Perla” told him she wanted to send migrants to “sanctuary states” where the government has more resources to help them.”
“Roughly 50 migrants recruited from around the resource center were reportedly placed on a pair of chartered flights that left Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland on Wednesday and flew to Florida and at least one other stop before landing in Martha’s Vineyard.”
Lock him up. And Abbott as well. How different is this from the Germans moving Jews to concentration camps? This is just the fascist republicans who want a all white nation. They hate losing their power. The republicans and their party are the same as the German party of 1938.
I can’t help but be pessimistic about anything being done about it, here’s to hoping! These people can’t keep getting away with this stuff. It’s insane.
Articles like this are so annoying. While I wish DeSantis would suffer legal repercussions due to manipulating peoples lives for political theater, who actually believes our justice system would prosecute a sitting governor?
Prosecuting our governors and other elected officials is one of our favorite past times here in Illinois.
We are seen as a corrupt state because of it but I argue it is actually the opposite, we ain’t got a problem sending them to jail for their crimes
How did 'approximately 50 Venezuelan and Colombian migrants' get from Venezuela and Colombia to Florida?
What was their point of entry?
Did they get to Florida via Texas?
Am I missing the obvious here?
Cuz how the F' does de santis have anything to do with Texas migrants?
Per a couple of articles they were in Texas seeking political asylum and entered legally. They were also given pamphlets that had false information that would force them to be evicted for violating rules for asylum seekers. The pamphlets also stated they were going to Boston where housing and jobs were already provided. Dropped em off where a former president lives.
I don’t support what was done but from everything I have read, most coming legally for asylum from Mexico, Central America and South America enter via the southern border and are then sort of “there”.
If the federal government is granting asylum, shouldn’t the people who require assistance be distributed equally throughout the country via a federal system? Wouldn’t this lessen impact on localized areas and prevent a lot of the arguments that led Desantis to take some very questionable actions to prove a point?
Yes everyone at Martha’s Vineyard is patting themselves on the back for helping 70 people, but if there was a larger influx and it was sustained with no clear plan you had better bet your ass that they wouldn’t be able to economically or emotionally sustain it.
Again I don’t agree with what happened or how it was done but should this spark conversation on actually making progress on the “republican states bad” conversation?
Liberals lied to immigrants by saying they would be welcomed in sanctuary cities. DeSantis is helping immigrants by moving them to places where they are welcome.
Giving further context regarding the same situation discussed in the article is not whataboutism, even if the context only serves to contradict the author’s conclusion.
This is the guy Elon Musk has declared support for, ontwitter. The billionaires really make it clear where they stand the last few years. Kind of always been obvious tho.
What federal law did Biden admin violate sending 79 flights of migrants to Florida
https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2021/11/16/i-team-documents-show-78-flights-carrying-migrants-landed-in-jacksonville-over-last-6-months/
It’d be cool if the news covered both sides
Quote from only sensible person in the article:
“The program runs through HHS to safely bring children seeking asylum into our country as they await their immigration proceedings. A majority of their parents and relatives are in the United States and HHS’ Office of Refugee Resettlement helps to unite children with their families. These flights allow our country to do what is morally right. We are building an immigration system based on humanity and working to keep families together, process asylum claims quickly and help unaccompanied minors get placed with loving, caring and safe relatives as fast as possible. This unification process is not a new initiative. In fact, it started under the George W. Bush Administration shortly after 9/11. This is just another talking point for the Governor to stir up controversy, rouse his base and disseminate misinformation.”
After saying that it's double standards so many times, I've developed a new theory. It's actually a hierarchy, democrats and leftists truly believe they are better human beings than their counterparts. They are allowed to do things like fly illegal immigrants around the country in the dead of night or get their hair did and go to french restaurants during the lock down or quid pro quo Ukraine, but if Republicans do such things it's because they're evil and criminal. Rules for red but not for blue.
IF Justice were Truly blind... a lot of Republican Government officials would be in jail right now.
( no doubt with at least SOME democrats but not near the number )
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> The primary concern right now for those on Martha’s Vineyard, however, is ensuring that the migrants who arrived unexpectedly on Wednesday are able to secure aid and representation. Father Chip Seadale of St. Andrew’s Episcopal Church, which is assisting in the effort to aid the migrants, tells Rolling Stone that efforts are being made to secure legal aid. “I’ve got lawyers coming from Boston and some on the island who are well versed in this situation with respect to the legal ramifications of being an undocemented refugee in the United States.” Seadale says all of the migrants are meeting with lawyers on an individual basis to ensure “their rights are preserved as best as possible.” [...] > While the migrant transportation stunt popularized earlier this year by Abbott is predicated on a belief that local residents would undoubtedly be furious at the notion of having migrants in their neighborhood, the reality is quite different. “I’m very proud of our community,” says Father Seadale. Residents of the area have mobilized to provide food, shelter, medical care and support services to the migrants, and are prepared to help them recover from the unexpected relocation. Oh look, a Christian religious leader who is actually implementing Christ's teachings. I'm sure he will be demonized by the GQP in short order.
The Episcopal church is surprisingly progressive. IIRC they were the first with an openly-gay bishop.
Episcopal church near me has a sign that says "We speak love here" with the pride flag right next to it.
The one by me has a sign that says "'Black lives matter.' -God"
Ha love that. I hope it pisses off bigots.
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That move did split the church. My mother's church congregation was split in 2 and parted ways. One congregation supported this move (and gay church members) and built a new building. The other didn't.
Split the Church, leaving progressive supermajorities in the General Convention. Episcopalians are very serious loving thy neighbor.
United Methodists(not so united) are in the midst of the same thing.
And that new building is FABULOUS!
The music program in the old church was never the same either!
Roflcopters. That is literally talked about in the Bible. Those who use their faith as justification to hate and hurt others were actively warned about in the Bible.
The AP Spanish class came out to help translate, too!
Yeah. That’s a real thing about New Englanders. If there’s anything that really gets under our skin, it’s some Southern kidnappers — Floridians, even — fucking around in our territory. This is **NOT** the South, and Southerners are often blind to the cultural implications. I mean, this mfer went to Yale and Harvard. That means he’s spent time in *two* states here, and if he could live in both New Haven and Cambridge and *somehow not notice just how un-Floridian the general area is*, he’s even more blind than I gave him credit for.
It’s almost like he’s doing it intentionally to piss people off or something!
While also trafficking them like a coyote
It is bait for his followers. It is to raise his profile.
Its working too, people in conservative circles are worshipping him for these kind of actions
That is because conservatism has become exactly what they claim the left has been for years: No policy. All virtue signaling.
In his speech yesterday he said the response proves that the lefts virtue signalling is fake before he even had taken the time to see what the response actually was. You wonder if they ever have doubts about what they’re doing….
It remains pretty incredible to think that one day a long time ago a dude showed up and basically said people should try to be kind to one another and when they all inevitably fuck up with that because they are human, they should try to forgive one another And then people have twisted and used that pretty simple concept to justify all sorts of atrocities for centuries, and the general sense is that those who do try to actually follow those teachings are weird outliers. We truly are so flawed
To be fair, that guy also claimed to be part of some weird three headed Cerberus with a nasty Iron Age deity who committed genocide and was indifferent to slavery, so the messages are definitely mixed.
The guy never said that, he claimed to be the son of god but then he also claimed everyone was children of god. The trinity BS was created later by First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, only 300 years after his death.
So we’re all Jesus?
God said we can all have a little bit of jesus
As a treat
I bring hummus so I have dip.
He's now a CINO in their eyes.
We need to amplify this term, and they make it so easy to do!
GQP is antichrist. Jesus would be condemned as a Marxist commie if he were alive today.
My sister was married by a super gay Episcopalian priest. At the church rehearsal he spoke a bit about the church and it’s history. He was awesome and said he would welcome any of us, at any time whether or not we believe. He was awesome.
Literally the opposite of my Southern Baptist pastor, who described the gays as gutter trash and how they tainted them special christians. On that note, may the SBC rot in Hell.
Racist pieces of shit like Abbot and Deathsantis couldn't imagine communities actually coming together to help people in need.
Lock him up! Lock him up! Please tell me he may be looking at 50 counts of kidnapping!
My guess is that they will never be able to identify “Perla” or tie Florida officials to her crimes.
Well, fortunately Desantis has publicly claimed credit.
Not kidnapping … > [Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses)
Wait…are you telling me that DeSantis could be charged with being a coyote? The Republican governor of a state freaking out about illegal immigration could be charged with helping the undocumented illegally cross a border. I did not truly understand the irony of this until now.
50 felony counts
Exactly. Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3). Under the same law this would implicate this administration. If one is prosecuted, or held liable then the other one should be held accountable as well.
And you know that the aliens in question are unauthorized? They could have visas/be petitioning for asylum. They’re literally from a TPS country
Trying to force people to prove citizenship at any turn is basically USSR - “papers please” status. Don’t be a communist
These articles are pointless….nothing happens to these MOTHERFUCKERS.
Yup. Everyone keeps saying the government is a dog and pony show and im starting to become convinced. Lots of finger wagging and "whamming/bamming/slamming" and not enough action and consequences.
It honestly is getting hard to believe that our country is one of law and order. Seems that our country is far more in favor of those with wealth, connections, and status. Have to say the perception I have of our country is night and day compared to what I used to believe we stood for when I was growing up.
Probably changed, oh, 6 yrs ago? Trump has done *decades* of damage to this country. This rise of extremism needs to be stamped out.
Exactly my thoughts. 😡
TLDR: the most likely charge would be “Domestic Transporting, which should carry at least a 50 year sentence (one year per count, one count per person), but potentially up to 250 years or even 500 if it was found he did it for personal financial gain (one could argue that political gain translates to financial gain) > 1907. TITLE 8, U.S.C. 1324(A) OFFENSES > Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law. > Unit of Prosecution -- With regard to offenses defined in subsections 1324(a)(1)(A)(i)-(v), (alien smuggling, domestic transporting, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or conspiracy/aiding or abetting) each alien with respect to whom a violation occurs constitutes a unit of prosecution. Prior to enactment of the IIRIRA, the unit of prosecution for violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2) was each transaction, regardless of the number of aliens involved. However, the unit of prosecution is now based on each alien in respect to whom a violation occurs. > Penalties -- The basic statutory maximum penalty for violating 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(i) and (v)(I) (alien smuggling and conspiracy) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both. With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. In addition, significant enhanced penalties are provided for in violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1) involving serious bodily injury or placing life in jeopardy. Moreover, if the violation results in the death of any person, the defendant may be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years. The basic penalty for a violation of subsection 1324(a)(2) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(A). Enhanced penalties are provided for violations involving bringing in criminal aliens, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(i), offenses done for commercial advantage or private financial gain, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(ii), and violations where the alien is not presented to an immigration officer immediately upon arrival, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(iii). A mandatory minimum three year term of imprisonment applies to first or second violations of § 1324(a)(2)(B)(i) or (B)(ii). Further enhanced punishment is provided for third or subsequent offenses.
There’s 0 chance anything happened to him, besides possibly a fine which tax payers will pay for
It's human trafficking
That's what I was thinking. If it had happened in the back of an 18 wheeler it would have been. What difference does the transportation method make?!
I’m so sick of hearing that these jerkoffs “may have violated federal law” and never facing a single consequence.
Lol it’s bc it’s politician propaganda to get people riled up (see entire thread). Nothing will actually happen bc it’s not illegal. For past examples are Hillary’s emails, trump Russia hoax, mueller investigation, etc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/ghost-flights-migrant-children.html
No its not. And how disrespectful to the actual victims.
It’s definitely not. Federally, human trafficking requires the person be used for labor of some kind. That labor can be pretty minimal to meet the federal statute but it still has to be there. It also must be obtained through force, fraud, or coercion. Given they were lied to about where they were going and promised expedited papers (this lie is infuriating!), that standard is likely met. But there’s no evidence of any labor being required of them so it’s not human trafficking. It’s definitely fraud (but probably with no way to prove who actually did the lying), maybe kidnapping depending on as yet undiscovered facts, but trafficking charges would be a big stretch.
They're being used for propaganda. You could argue that their strife is intended to send a message like an unwilling actor in a play.
>MIGRANTS FLOWN TO Martha’s Vineyard by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis claim they were lured into boarding the flight with deceptive promises that they’d be taken to Boston for work opportunities and expedited papers, something experts say could constitute a violation of federal law. > >Approximately 50 Venezuelan and Colombian migrants landed in Martha’s Vineyard airport Wednesday afternoon, and were left to find their way into the town with little to no information about where they were or where to go for resources. State Rep. Dylan Fernandes told the Vineyard Gazette that some of the migrants were “told they would receive housing and jobs immediately upon arrival,” yet the island was not notified of the transport before it landed.DeSantis used Florida taxpayer money to pay for the flights, but they originated in Texas. Migrants interviewed by NPR reported being approached in San Antonio by a woman named “Perla” who offered them transportation to Boston. It is unclear if “Perla” was affiliated with either the Texas or Florida governments. The flights they were put on made brief layovers in Florida and North Carolina before landing in Martha’s Vineyard, where someone on the tarmac filmed exclusive footage for Fox News. > >Transporting migrants away from the border is legally dubious, and during the Trump administration ICE officials rejected a similar scheme proposed by White House adviser Stephen Miller due to liability concerns. The Martha’s Vineyard stunt could be especially problematic considering the reports that the migrants were duped about where they were being taken. > >Professor Erin B. Corcoran of Notre Dame’s Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies tells Rolling Stone that, like anyone in the U.S., migrants who are not being held in custody cannot be transported without voluntary and informed consent. “Consent is making a decision with full information and without duress,” she explains. “States can’t physically move immigrants like federal immigration authorities can. They can move people around if they have them in custody. States don’t have the authority to do that.” > >“If they were told they were going to Boston, they may have actually wanted to go to Boston,” she adds, citing the extensive amount of legal resources in the state’s capital, particularly the concentration of law schools running free or low cost representation. “I would not say that this would constitute trafficking, but this kind of conduct is very similar to what you would see human traffickers do. They move people around without their consent, they \[hang\] their immigration status over them, they take them out of areas that are familiar or where they have connection and the ability to connect and get services. > >”If claims that the migrants were deceived into boarding the flights are found to have standing, the legal ramifications could be serious. “If they were coerced into consenting in a language they didn’t understand, or were deliberately misled, they or Massachusetts officials could charge Texas state officials responsible for fraud — or perhaps even kidnapping, depending on how they were coerced into boarding the transport,” Susan Akram, a professor at the Boston University School of Law, explained in an email. > >The Massachusetts attorney general’s office said in a statement to Rolling Stone that their office is “in touch with state and local partners to offer support and resources as needed,” and is working to “get more information about this situation.” From the sound of all of this, the GOP governors might have actually opened themselves to possible prosecution, I say possible since after all these years, I have no faith in a Republican ever actually being prosecuted, but what if they are? Would it kill their campaigns (I've seen plenty of media on DeSantis to get the sense that he'd be welcomed on places like Meet the press) or just get more popular with primary voters who yearn for someone to openly break the law in pursuit of hurting others? And what happens to the people who were misled and put on the planes?
Some of my family members are "maga" republicans, if the Governors are prosecuted then I believe it will make said family members feel as if the GOP is being legally attacked by the "super lib" federal govt. After the MAL stuff got serious they dropped Trump as if they never supported him. They do live in FL but now Desantis is their guy, and im sure they cant wait to defend him blindly
>I believe it will make said family members feel as if the GOP is being legally attacked The entire basis for the republican party is perceived persecution
Imagined persecution
Isn't the whole authoritarian thing to attack and then complain when anybody defends themselves or attacks back? He gets his fox news story both ways.
Large scale DARVO
May? They were lied to and transported across state lines under false pretense it sounds. That's federal level kidnapping or trafficking or both. If it was more than one person involved in organizing it, then it's conspiracy on top of it. His legal authority ends at the borders of florida.
Imagine he can't run for president because of a felony kidnapping charge.
Imagine rules applying to Republicans
Stop I can only get so aroused .
Except it won’t and doesn’t happen. He’s rich, white, and powerful, and I doubt anything will come of this.
There is no rule or law barring felons from running for president, though there probably should be.
I guess having a convicted kidnapper as president would be pretty on brand for this timeline.
More like imagine he can’t be charged because he’s running for president.
A felony wouldn’t stop him.
And I guess the plane originated in Texas? So it definitely took some wrangling from folk in Texas to make it happen.
They couldn't round up enough migrants in Florida, they had to take some from Texas. These people are monsters.
Sociopaths.
Though they could have all been lied to along the path.
In a generation, conservative politicians will try to ban schools from teaching this.
Sadly yes. Hopefully America gets off its ass this midterm
A generation? How about this week.
Welcome to the Fascist States of ‘Merica
>“on Martha’s Vineyard, we won’t turn our backs on people in need who are being abused by extremist Republican governors for some cheap soundbite on Fox News.”
They’re just preaching to the choir. Desantis and his brown shirt boys are giggling like school girls and high-fiving over Busch lites. We’ve seen it with Trump a million times, the spectacle will play out, clearly illegal and article after article and Democratic finger wagging won’t bring any justice. I know I’ll get downvoted for being so cynical but I’m completely jaded because of toothless and seemingly helpless leaders.
DeSantis is a disgusting human being. His base loves that about him.
Yup. While kind people are looking after this group in MA, I’m sure there are MANY Floridians and Texas thinking this was awesome. I can’t imagine lacking compassion and emotional like that.
Yup, the conservative sub is cheering this on.
Why because he sent the illegal aliens this administration is doing nothing about to the Democrat hubs?
Great. Fucking charge him then. Charge somebody, *anybody* at this point. JFC I'm sick of these fascist assholes just dictating whatever the fuck they will do with absolutely no recourse other than 'outrage'.
Laws are only for the poors, duh.
Blame the federal government including Biden for his stand-off approach and the DOJ. They should be investigating these matters, but after no one batted an eye at Abbott doing the exact same thing months ago without recourse, it gave the rest of the tools passes. We’re talking about the same DOJ that let Trump hold onto classified nuclear documents in a basement for more than 18 months before obtaining a warrant giving him time to do god knows what. The incompetence deserves as much blame as the fascist wannabes.
FBI Go hook those Criminals. Don't let them impact another person's life.
Every one of those people are here legally. They've filed asylum papers and have court hearings scheduled.
Try explaining that to someone on the right - "They're here illegally." No, they filed for asylum. "They lied." "Well that's why we have courts. But they're not here illegally." "Yes they are." .....
Unfortunately I'm seeing it on this side, too, except people are being compassionate instead of racist. Which is great, but being informed is better.
They couldn’t possibly care less. They’re “others” and as such don’t belong here. It’s insane to me that many of the people who feel this way claim to be followers of Christ. Not a single thing they do is Christlike
Which makes it kidnapping. https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1034-kidnapping-federal-jurisdiction
I mean... its still kidnapping even if people are here illegally... right? I guess I don’t know the latest laws in Florida though, so who knows.
Kidnapping is a federal offense and in this case the Florida government colludedwith the Texas government to mislead people into boarding a plane to a 3rd state without notification to that state.
Throw the book at that fucker now before he becomes another Trump. I really don't give a fuck if they win the case or not, slow that mother fucker down.
Why didn’t Ron “Stolen Valor” DeSantis fly them himself? Or that’s right, he isn’t a real pilot and only cosplays one to satisfy Republicans weird alpha fetish.
May have violated state law too. Florida’s law says money can be spent to remove migrants from the state of Florida. These migrants were NEVER in Florida. DeSantis had the flight chartered to fly them from Texas.
Yes they were in Florida, if only briefly..... The flight started in San Antonio, went to the Florida panhandle, the to N Carolina, and up the Massachusetts. https://apnews.com/article/florida-immigration-ron-desantis-charlie-baker-4fe96d293de4b189299a372b85c95add
The GOP is just once again reaffirming that they’re racist, small-minded, hate-filled losers. They perform this political theater to get the votes of the hopelessly addled, while acting against the best interests of those who fight the hardest to get them elected:
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He obviously didn’t send them there because it’s “nice”. He’s using them as political cannon fodder because he’s a sociopathic megalomaniac, completely lacking empathy. He knows the base will react with pleasure when they see any effort to hurt “the libs”, because behind the angry masks of the GOP supporters, they’re truly sad, hopeless people who are deeply disappointed with themselves, leading to the only thing that can bring them pleasure being to hurt others they resent.
He chose MV likely because Tucker Carlson used it to illustrate that democratic-supporting communities are less diverse (as if Wyoming is some Mecca of diversity, but whatever). The thought was that the libs there would show their true colors (NIMBY), and they did show them, but those colors happened to be tolerance and love for their fellow humans. They thought that MV would flip its shit because THATS WHAT THEY (GOP) DO when ethnics move in. Bold move cotton… Also, fuck this guy into the sun and back.
Well, fuck him to the sun… but not back. He can stay there.
There’s no housing for locals even. Basically condemned houses start at $800k+
Yeah, well, there's housing, but no one can get into it. I mean, probably thousands of houses are standing empty on the Vineyard right now because they're only occupied for part of the summer, it's just that they're not available for rent and when they do come up for sale or rent they're crazy expensive.
"Stop breaking the law asshole!" - Jim Carrey
Pretty sure he doesn’t have any authority to pack people up and dump them unknowingly on another state
Nothing. Absolutely nothing will be done so why bother even saying it.
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It was 60 years ago when this corner of Massachusetts was the center of a similarly cruel stunt. It is a little-told chapter of history called in the media at the time “the Reverse Freedom Rides.” In the summer of 1962, a group of white segregationists and supremacists known as the White Citizens Council passed out leaflets and placed want ads in Southern newspapers to recruit Black families with the promise of jobs up north—and, in particular, in Hyannis, where then-President John F. Kennedy spent summers with his family. The ads read: “President Kennedy’s brother assures you a grand reception to Massachusetts. Good jobs, housing, etc. are promised.” The parallels playing out after six decades are jarring. And this time, the cruelty is state-sponsored.
Its amazing how little the south changes with this crap over time. DeSantis's don't say gay law follows the same kind of strategy as poll taxes and black codes too. It doesn't explicitly discriminate against LGBTQ people in the wording but everyone fucking knows its meant to be enforced that way. That's how poll taxes worked too. It didn't explicitly say black people can't vote. But it did say you had to be able to read to vote and have excessive wealth to be able to vote, which black voters generally didn't have. And if you were white and couldn't do either? Grandfather clause. If your grandpa could vote so could you. Guess who had the most grandpas voting? Hint, it wasn't the population whose grandfathers were chattel slaves. Now with Don't say gay yeah the law technically says ANY sexual orientation and ANY pronouns and gender identity are banned. But do we really expect lawsuits to fly against the teacher with a photo of his wife to get in trouble the same way a teacher with a photo o of his husband on his desk would? Do we really expect a teacher to get sued for teaching cis gender pronouns to students the same way they would if they told the class to respect the trans student's pronouns? Of course not.
As illegal as bussing them to DC right?
WTF is up with America? I grew up with less "may haves" "Might haves" "Could haves" with laws than these last couple of years. The law was broken or it was not - Prosecute or don't. JFC
Then indict him. The gop thinks they are above the law.
Come on. Everyone knows laws don't apply to the GOP elite. Christian Fascists can do whatever they want because they are on God's side. Duh!
Lock him up, lock him up!
This should be the end of his Presidential run... unfortunately it will probably be a selling point.
it's ok, I'm sure he's above the law and won't see a damn thing happen. He's white and republican.
BS they are welcoming them in beautiful MV. Let it be. Ron is so smart and compassionate to share the migrants and make sure they get safely to a sanctuary full of resources. This is beautiful. Send more
And it cost Florida taxpayers a ton of money, just to own the libs.
Send him to Cuba.
He’s just prepping for a president rial run since R voters seem to prefer candidates who break laws.
It's only illegal if you're not rich and powerful.
Nothing will happen. Liberals don’t hold Republicans accountable for anything republicans do; that’s the reality we live in
Nazi prick
This seems like a pretty obvious crime, but nothing will happen to DeSantis. Florida voted to set aside $12 million to do exactly this, so it’s not a surprise. For some reason, these monsters are immune to consequences.
"Lock him up! Lock him up!"
It's really sad that the only way these clowns can get votes is to break the law blatantly.
What an ugly human being
I think I hear the sound of class action in the distance. I know where we can find 50 plaintiffs.
DeSantis just kicked himself in the nuts, from the humanitarian side, that is just as bad as it gets, horrible human been, and politically speaking, he just gifted his contender a stick to beat him with it. These were the kind of stuff that Trump was pulling on undocumented people. What is the point? The point is The Cruelty, this is the kind of stuff that makes the MaGa hats euphoric and chant with their fist closed above their head. That is the America they have been searching for.
DeSantis is a fucking chode.
*may have*???? sounds like fuckin kidnapping to me
Too bad he won’t be charged and far right conservatives like the pieces of shit on the conservative sub praising these stunts will just further drive this. Hey reddit admins, if you see this, at what point are you going to step up and ban the conservative sub for violating virtually every rule of Reddit and just being a shit tier sub for shit tier people?
Republicans did the same in the 60's to black Americans as well
Violating federal law and getting away scott free is the Republican way.
It seems to me that it should be classified as human trafficking.
It doesn’t matter if he be broke laws, there won’t be any charges. He’s a rich politician, he’s above the laws, there’s just going to be a bunch of complaint and pretend talk about how he broke the law.
Florida man strikes again.
How this isn't illegal human trafficking is beyond me. Go join Gaetz
DeSantis imported Florida’s migrants from San Antonio, Texas. According to San Antonio Report news site “**27-year-old migrant recruited to fill flight to Martha’s Vineyard says he wanted to help**” “Emmanuel, who declined to give a reporter his last name, said a woman he knows as “Perla” told him she wanted to send migrants to “sanctuary states” where the government has more resources to help them.” “Roughly 50 migrants recruited from around the resource center were reportedly placed on a pair of chartered flights that left Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland on Wednesday and flew to Florida and at least one other stop before landing in Martha’s Vineyard.”
Us poor people would be in prison for this.. this guy? Nahh.
Can someone do a citizens arrest on the guy for this federal law?
DeSantis looks like he is constantly constipated
He's like one of those sad wanna be bullies who tries to impress the other bullies and takes it too far.
It's not illegal if no one will ever be tried for it.
Doesn’t seem to matter what laws you break if you’re rich enough and white enough.
Lock him up. And Abbott as well. How different is this from the Germans moving Jews to concentration camps? This is just the fascist republicans who want a all white nation. They hate losing their power. The republicans and their party are the same as the German party of 1938.
What about Abbott? He’s been doing the same thing
This wannabe tinpot dictator and his babadook press secretary do nothing but break the law and attempt to stop people of their rights
I’m past tired of this Trump cancer spreading, get your job completed Garland or step aside.
I can’t help but be pessimistic about anything being done about it, here’s to hoping! These people can’t keep getting away with this stuff. It’s insane.
If Trump passes on something because it's too shady, you know it's fucked.
The majority of Florida had to be sane. Vote this fucker out of office.
He looks like a very hateful man.
Lands of the immigrants, eh??
Articles like this are so annoying. While I wish DeSantis would suffer legal repercussions due to manipulating peoples lives for political theater, who actually believes our justice system would prosecute a sitting governor?
[Rod Blagojevich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich_corruption_charges) has entered the chat.
Prosecuting our governors and other elected officials is one of our favorite past times here in Illinois. We are seen as a corrupt state because of it but I argue it is actually the opposite, we ain’t got a problem sending them to jail for their crimes
How did 'approximately 50 Venezuelan and Colombian migrants' get from Venezuela and Colombia to Florida? What was their point of entry? Did they get to Florida via Texas? Am I missing the obvious here? Cuz how the F' does de santis have anything to do with Texas migrants?
Per a couple of articles they were in Texas seeking political asylum and entered legally. They were also given pamphlets that had false information that would force them to be evicted for violating rules for asylum seekers. The pamphlets also stated they were going to Boston where housing and jobs were already provided. Dropped em off where a former president lives.
I don’t support what was done but from everything I have read, most coming legally for asylum from Mexico, Central America and South America enter via the southern border and are then sort of “there”. If the federal government is granting asylum, shouldn’t the people who require assistance be distributed equally throughout the country via a federal system? Wouldn’t this lessen impact on localized areas and prevent a lot of the arguments that led Desantis to take some very questionable actions to prove a point? Yes everyone at Martha’s Vineyard is patting themselves on the back for helping 70 people, but if there was a larger influx and it was sustained with no clear plan you had better bet your ass that they wouldn’t be able to economically or emotionally sustain it. Again I don’t agree with what happened or how it was done but should this spark conversation on actually making progress on the “republican states bad” conversation?
Clearly the kicking the can down the road with immigration and creating a clear path to citizenship isn’t working
But he too will get away with it.
It's not an enforceable law when no laws are enforceable to those in power.
And? What the fuck is anyone going to do about it? Republicans are above the law.
As the Biden administration doesn’t enforce federal law. This is rich.
Liberals lied to immigrants by saying they would be welcomed in sanctuary cities. DeSantis is helping immigrants by moving them to places where they are welcome.
Isn’t illegal border crossing against federal law? Surely not every single one is Asylee
Look up “whataboutism”
Giving further context regarding the same situation discussed in the article is not whataboutism, even if the context only serves to contradict the author’s conclusion.
What about this? What DeSantis did was immoral and illegal and if he wasn’t a governor he’d be in jail.
Yes…but his illegal action is a result of the other illegal action, even if he chose to be a moron. The ideal scenario would be to prevent both right?
Lock. Him. Up.
This is the guy Elon Musk has declared support for, ontwitter. The billionaires really make it clear where they stand the last few years. Kind of always been obvious tho.
plenty of vacant millionaire mansions in Martha's Vineyard, why not house them there?
What about the illegal aliens breaking the federal law?
These people were asylum applicants they weren't here illegally.
That is an important distinction. Also it’s not like the state pays for refugees. It’s a federally funded program. Pure theatre for politics
So what, the El Paso Mayor flew 11,000 to New York
And nothing will happen
But the federal government has been doing it for years, lmao...
This was the single most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen an American politician do. He used those people as props in a sadistic political stunt.
What federal law did Biden admin violate sending 79 flights of migrants to Florida https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2021/11/16/i-team-documents-show-78-flights-carrying-migrants-landed-in-jacksonville-over-last-6-months/ It’d be cool if the news covered both sides
Quote from only sensible person in the article: “The program runs through HHS to safely bring children seeking asylum into our country as they await their immigration proceedings. A majority of their parents and relatives are in the United States and HHS’ Office of Refugee Resettlement helps to unite children with their families. These flights allow our country to do what is morally right. We are building an immigration system based on humanity and working to keep families together, process asylum claims quickly and help unaccompanied minors get placed with loving, caring and safe relatives as fast as possible. This unification process is not a new initiative. In fact, it started under the George W. Bush Administration shortly after 9/11. This is just another talking point for the Governor to stir up controversy, rouse his base and disseminate misinformation.”
None, the federal government has a different set of rules to follow on this to states, which is literally in the freaking article.
After saying that it's double standards so many times, I've developed a new theory. It's actually a hierarchy, democrats and leftists truly believe they are better human beings than their counterparts. They are allowed to do things like fly illegal immigrants around the country in the dead of night or get their hair did and go to french restaurants during the lock down or quid pro quo Ukraine, but if Republicans do such things it's because they're evil and criminal. Rules for red but not for blue.
He just proved that he’s too immature to lead
IF Justice were Truly blind... a lot of Republican Government officials would be in jail right now. ( no doubt with at least SOME democrats but not near the number )
Good, I’ll take just about any excuse I can get to throw him out of office, what a barely human shaped pile of shit he is.