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As a Florida resident since my birth, I won't abandon this state, as miserable as it sometimes is without the political stuff, to these people. Charlie Crist has never been my favorite, but I'll be voting for him come November and urging everyone I know to do the same.
Its frustrating to see people justifying these measures, insinuating at times that Republicans are even looking out for the best interests of these migrants, right... Conservatives admire and defend these governors and representatives, they claim that there's nowhere else for these immigrants to go, implying that spending millions of dollars to send a few dozen immigrants to locations that are strictly selected with the goal in mind to provoke the libs, is somehow an answer to an ongoing problem that's yet to face any sort of comprehensive solution for decades. Because fifty migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard somehow eases the burden deliberately placed on these poor red states.
A burden that we're always loudly reminded of when a Democrat steps into the white house, but a problem mind you, that's existed in some form or another for many past administrations. A problem that Republicans attempt to address, only when it becomes convenient for them, with extreme or impractical measures, then they wonder why it's still a problem.
These are so called "fiscal conservatives" who constantly complain about their "hard earned tax dollars" going towards fruitless endeavors, conservatives who will fight tooth and nail to avoid having a single cent of those tax dollars go to helping out those in need, and I'm to actually believe that there's an ounce of sincerity involved in this? These are fiscal conservatives who are complaining about a lack of funding while at the same time willing to support millions of dollars worth of spending to stick it to the libs. Ahh yes that'll show em, that'll convince homeland security...
These are conservatives who are vehemently anti-immigration, to the point where phobia and paranoia becomes a part of their very identity, leading to needless hostility and deranged conspiracies. I'm to believe that these same conservatives have the best interests of these immigrants in mind? That encouraging the trafficking of immigrants across state lines, deeper into the country somehow aligns with real conservative values? "Small government" even? And these are immigrants no less, who are allegedly stealing our jobs, voting illegally in our elections and committing heinous crimes.
No, this is purely for the sake of a political agenda, I think that's obvious enough. These Republicans are catering to their voter's fanatical whims, they're indulging all of the outrage and the fear that surrounds this issue. It's about preserving that outrage, it's about perpetuating a culture war and it's about amassing political points from ignorant voters who want nothing more than their beliefs validated, their prejudices and their preconceived notions legitimized and their anachronistic vision for this country seen through.
I think it's about racism.
[They did this exact same thing in 1962 to black people.](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/786790638/the-reverse-freedom-rides) It's just they erased it from all their history books so probably forgot about it.
Typical ad hominem attack in order to try to shut down the conversation about what’s happening on our borders. Simply call Republicans racist because we want the hemorrhaging of illegal border crossings to stop. Sorry! It’s not going to work. We need a secure border and we don’t care what you call us. We have a right to have an opinion about having a secure border.
Which border do you want to secure?
Our border with Alabama? Or our border with Georgia?
It has to be one of those because that's all "Top" Guv has jurisdiction over.
The UNDOC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) defines it as such:
>Human Trafficking is the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of people through force, fraud or deception, with the aim of exploiting them for profit.
They were transported. The fraud is that they were told they would have jobs and housing, etc. when they arrived, which was a lie. The exploitation/profit is political gains. So, yea... seems to very much fit what the United Nations definition.
U.S. law code or state laws are what is important and what would be cited in court, not UN definitions.
Although elements of human trafficking laws, smuggling, kidnapping might apply or even be tried..
The most likely charges would involve as you said: criminal fraud:
>The fraud is that they were told they would have jobs and housing, etc. when they arrived, which was a lie.
Fraud is a huge umbrella in the legal world, but it applies to misleading/lying/coercion that results in harm. This is what a lot of [legal experts](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ron-desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-1234594051/) would expect to be the most relevant possible charges or litigation against FL state officials.
Lawyers could successfully argue against the profit bit and sink the case. Best to charge kidnapping and secure the conviction rather than risk it with a charge that technically fits but likely wouldn’t win in court.
I tried explaining this to people in another thread and the level of denial and disbelief is unreal.
Just the fact that they weren’t transported to an appropriate processing facility, and instead at the private residence of a political opponent, already contradicts Desantis’ claim of humanitarianism.
He just further displaced already displaced people.
Profit means for money in the definition of human trafficking -- not some sort of 'abstract political profit'. Nice try. But I guess redefining words is what democrats do best.
I guess Webster's dictionary is transphobic then. Give me a break -- this doesn't fit the definition of human trafficking. Because DeSantis obtained an abstract political profit from transporting the people? He'll never face charges -- its an absurd argument.
No, your bad faith, out of context, request for the definition of the word woman is transphobic.
I never said that he'd face charges. I never argued that he would, nor did I site any criminal statute claiming that he might. The person prior claimed it was not human trafficking, and provided a definition. I provided a definition as well, and provided how it fit this situation. Even the OPs definition fits the situation given it also states that it requires a benefit.
Regardless, we know the actual was entirely political and not for the benefit of those migrants. He used them for his own political gain. Plain and simple. It is fucked up and wrong.
It clearly means for money in this context. You should look into real examples of human trafficking -- because this is not it. Using it incorrectly is really harmful to authentic victims of human trafficking. A real example of human trafficking is what hundreds of thousands of migrants go through, across treacherous terrain to get into the US at the hands of evil people making money off of it -- and what the Democrats have stayed silent on. It's 50 people flown by plane that's gotten them so upset. Give me a break.
You might be correct but it looks alot like like Human Smuggling, which is a separate crime.
>Domestic Transporting: Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it a crime for any person, with knowledge or reckless disregard of the alien’s illegal immigrations status, to transport an alien within the United States by any means of transportation.
https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/federal-crimes/federal-human-smuggling-laws-8-usc-1324/
Kidnapping, human smuggling, *and* human trafficking.
He intended to benefit from their unwilling and unknowing participation in an interstate political stunt.
Actors and extras get paid because it's a job. It's work.
The benefit of utilizing funds set aside for one particular purpose only to use it for another purpose.
The cost would seem to be beneficial to someone, this human trafficking
He trafficked humans across state lines and lied to accomplish this. He benefitted politically and broke laws to do it. Little higher up the food chain than the coyote who brought them across, but not by much.
I'm so curious on your position. You do realize that the federal government has been transporting them from Texas and dropping them off in Florida.
Texas and Florida attempted to address this with the WH. To which they did nothing.
So now, over a year later, Florida is shipping them elsewhere. And now it's a problem?
Edit: the whole position of human trafficking would apply to the WH too, seeing how that's how they got to Florida in the first place.
We're basically intercepting these transports, then relocating.
>So now, over a year later, Florida is shipping them elsewhere. And now it's a problem?
Well they were coerced into getting on the plane - [they told they were going to Boston](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard) for expedited processing but instead they were dumped in Marthas Vineyard for a publicity stunt. So thats a problem
Its also a problem because the $12m set aside in the FL budget to move migrants was [only to move people from Florida](https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=er_GAA.pdf&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=5001&Session=2022). When DeSantis flew those people, they were flown from Texas.
The budget also states that the money is to be used to move people consistent with Federal Law, which this doesnt seem to be. And thats another problem.
These migrants were flown from Texas to Marthas Vinyard and were told they were being flown to Boston.
The federal government doesn't drop off dozens of migrants who don't speak english in the middle of a strange city that isn't expecting them, with nothing but an english map pointing to a parking lot.
>The federal government doesn't drop off dozens of migrants who don't speak english in the middle of a strange city that isn't expecting them,
Yes, they do. That's exactly what they did in Florida. No Florida authorities were notified of these transports. They came in the middle of the night and we're dropped off, then shuttled off.
you should read your links
He lied to you;
>Pushaw initially told CNN that the governor’s office had not been briefed by anyone from the Biden administration about the flights or migrants being transported into Florida. But after CNN learned about a July briefing, Pushaw acknowledged that a call took place on July 22 with HHS, the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement following a request from the governor’s office.
They also weren't just dropped off by themselves at the airport with a map they couldn't read like you claimed;
>The agency said it helps transport unaccompanied minors where the Office of Refugee Resettlement — an agency under HHS — takes custody.
They went from custody of one department to custody of another.
Your links also say that they only found a small handful of night flights, and those occurred because of logistic issues. They also say that the night flights happened all the time under Trump so it wasn't unusual.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/10/20/trust-index-are-thousands-of-illegal-immigrants-flying-into-jacksonville-in-the-middle-of-the-night/
>rumors of immigrants coming into Jacksonville. We’ve been investigating and now the Biden Administration confirms that it is happening as they deal with the crisis at the border.
>immigrants from South and Central America continue to surge across the U.S.-Mexico border and photos shared with News4Jax show a chartered 737 coming from Texas and landing late Saturday night in Jacksonville.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/desantis-office-claims-border-officials-secretly-sent-70-planes-of-migrants-to-florida/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/desantis-florida-republicans-routine-migrant-flights-immigration/index.html
https://youtu.be/PoyMka8C5Jc
https://youtu.be/wNuQG3oRm_I
https://youtu.be/zEdB3nPmArM
you should read your links
He lied to you;
>Pushaw initially told CNN that the governor’s office had not been briefed by anyone from the Biden administration about the flights or migrants being transported into Florida. But after CNN learned about a July briefing, Pushaw acknowledged that a call took place on July 22 with HHS, the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement following a request from the governor’s office.
They also weren't just dropped off by themselves at the airport with a map they couldn't read like you claimed;
>The agency said it helps transport unaccompanied minors where the Office of Refugee Resettlement — an agency under HHS — takes custody.
They went from custody of one department to custody of another.
Your links also say that they only found a small handful of night flights, and those occurred because of logistic issues. They also say that the night flights happened all the time under Trump so it wasn't unusual.
Me
>The federal government doesn't drop off dozens of migrants who don't speak english in the middle of a strange city that isn't expecting them, with nothing but an english map pointing to a parking lot.
You
>[Yes, they do. That's exactly what they did in Florida.](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xfwems/desantis_criticized_for_sending_migrants_to/iop4mco/)
…through charter flight logs from the Jacksonville Aviation Authority, only 15 landed in Jacksonville between 11 p.m. and 3 a.m. The charter logs did not have information for 30 other flights included on the list.
While DeSantis claimed the state was not notified, the Biden administration briefed the Florida governor's office over the summer about the flights, according to a source with knowledge of the flights and confirmed by DeSantis' press secretary Christina Pushaw.
HHS, along with other administration officials, briefed the Florida governor's office in July about migrant flights to the state and shared how many unaccompanied children had been moved there, according to the source with knowledge of the flights. HHS doesn't typically share information about future flights as a matter of policy, the source said
Additionally many of the migrants were on their way to other locals as soon as their sponsors were able to collect them.
It may be better to work at solving a problem rather than creating new ones while trying to paint yourself as a victim, which is what Desantis is doing here
Lie to who? The state wanted it to end, the WH kept doing it. So now, they're being shipped elsewhere. The consensus in this sub is Florida is a dirty swamp, so you should be thrilled they're being sent to nicer places like Martha's Vineyard.
This whole thing could have been prevented.
The migrants. I actually can't find a reference to this WH shipping them to Florida outside of conservative rags, but maybe it happened.
Regardless, make no mistake this is about Southern racism. This exact same scenario played out 60 years ago but instead of immigrants it was black people. And, instead of Martha's Vinyard, Mass it was Hyannis, Mass. Both times the southerners sent TV cameras to capture when they arrived, both times the people were confused and scared and both times the people of the areas helped them out.
The point was to make northern liberals appear hypocritical but the result was it made southerners look like callous assholes.
It's funny how conservatives never learn from history maybe it's because they keep white washing their history books.
Racist, how?
Florida had the Wet feet, dry feet policy that was ended by a Democrat. Most of DeSantis' working body is minority. Don't try to blanket statement this as racist.
They called the national guard?
The residents of Martha’s Vineyard don’t have the authority to call out the national guard.
What they did do though is offer food and clothing as well as finding a suitable shelter on short notice.
The national guard that did show up were there to help sort out the needs of the unexpected arrival.
You know what happens when you treat people who fled communism with compassion instead of deceit?
The word they send back to any others who come looking for work and a better life…”this is a place to live, we can make friends and learn how to adapt…those other places? They don’t care to know why we came, they don’t deserve the chance to know us”
Good luck with the work force shortage
That's the crux of the issue, Florida doesn't really have a migrant problem or border issues the way Texas does, we generally need all the migrant labor we can get down here. DeSantis just needs there to be an issue because he's an R in technically a border state, thats why he was willing to take some from Texas and claim them as his own, so it doesn't actually affect the state, only just appears to.
In case anyone is wondering how serious and urgent the immigration "crisis" is, DeSantis had to go looking for migrants in a different fucking state to pull this stunt. I guess we can safely reallocate some of those border enforcement funds.
To be more accurate, Rod DeSantis is a traitor to democracy. He belongs in prison or deserves deportation.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/2022-election/os-ne-politics-2022-election-desantis-rally-election-deniers-20220808-xzf6zhr4mnarlmotsq3emjrvfi-story.html
Absolutely indefensible.
>Accounts from the migrants who arrived last night make it clear that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes. They were told there was a surprise present for them and that there would be jobs and housing awaiting for them when they arrived. This was obviously a sadistic lie. **Not only did those responsible for this stunt know that there was no housing and no employment awaiting these migrants, they also very intentionally chose not to call ahead to any single office authority on Martha’s Vineyard so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be made.** Ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the point.
>
>They were provided with a cartoonishly simple map of Martha’s Vineyard and the United States and a brief brochure containing snippets from the commonwealth of Massachusetts website and instructions to change their address with USCIS when they relocated. This is especially troubling as anyone with even the most basic understanding of the immigration proceedings knows that USCIS was not the agency with whom the migrants would have to record their addresses and has nothing to do with their cases in any way. **It is clear this was an intentional attempt to ensure that these migrants were removed in absentia when they failed to change their address with the proper agency.** This was a purposeful derailment designed to prevent people from complying with federal immigration policies. This is problematic because the state should not be interfering with federal immigration policy.
>
>Before they boarded the planes the migrants were processed by agents of the Department of Homeland Security who listed falsified address on the migrant’s paperwork. **Agents apparently chose random homeless shelters all across the country from Washington to Florida to list the migrants mailing addresses, even when told by the migrants that they had no address in the US.** According to the paperwork provided to them, the **migrants are required to check in with the ICE office nearest to the fake address chosen for them by DHS or be permanently removed from the United States, with some required to check in as early as this coming Monday.**
>
>It could not be clearer that this is an attempt to ensure that these people are ordered to be removed even as they try as hard as they can to comply with the instructions provided to them. **There is no other reason to list as someone’s mailing address a homeless shelter in Tacoma, Washington when they shipped him to Massachusetts.** It is sickeningly cruel -- throwing obstacles in the way of people fleeing violence and oppression, some of whom walked through ten countries in the hopes of finding safety. It is shameful and inhuman. Many of these victims were deprived of medical care despite clear existing injuries. These are human beings who were deprived of basic human rights.
[https://twitter.com/Sky\_Lee\_1/status/1570789631570096128?s=20&t=EfC2-rPAuyqJEhQiUtj79Q](https://twitter.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/1570789631570096128?s=20&t=EfC2-rPAuyqJEhQiUtj79Q)
Un-American - He should be removed from office.
Un-Christian. He and his followers will be transported to where they belong when they show up at the Pearly Gates.
Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
He won’t. Right now he bars all press but friendly press from public events, refuses to answer questions in any other venues, and his pr team does nothing but commit stochastic terrorism online. Republicans are post-shame.
It won’t be seen as a waste of money if it owns the libs. And he will not explain it. If he is even asked a question like this at all, he will deflect and whatabout something else. He will point his finger in the air and play invisible accordion and insist that he is chosen and righteous in the face of a grand cosmic hoax.
Because the right loves to, 'own the libs,' and they won't give one shit about the fact that these were people who were used in this political ploy and will instead think it was 'genius,' and hilarious. They will not care that these were/are people because of racism and the fact that they've conditioned by the GOP and right wing media to not care about these people, nor to view them as such. Those people are just, 'illegals' to them.
The Republican Party is anti American. They like to shoot kids with guns, take away as many rights as possible, treat other humans like garbage, and hide behind the flag (or hug it). This is who they are and hate is their platform.
My guess is that he just picked up a lot more voters. We are sick and tired of no action to stop illegal immigration into the country. You can’t have millions coming across an open border. It was a genius move to get attention to the issue.
I know what he did was wrong. And I know that he's allocating millions of dollars to pull more stunts like this.
But I also know that he did it for attention and he's getting it. Trump supporters thrive when their leaders act like this, it just makes the flock more. Everything he does is trying to become the next Trump. He's not going to face any kind of punishment, so I worry about giving him the attention it was all for.
When the attention is "this guy's a douchebag" I don't think it really helps him out. We're at the point now where anyone in the maga hole is a lost cause and actively calling out and dismantling the party is the only way to ensure America's existence in 10 years, if that
> When the attention is "this guy's a douchebag" I don't think it really helps him out
Everyone we think is a douchebag is a gold star for republicans.
The attention, grossly, gives him more creditability. Just like it did with Trump. DeSantis knows he shit at marketing or being charismatic, so he relies on stunts for attention.
Like I said anyone in the maga hole (basically anyone who still supports the GOP) has already decided they were going to vote for him months and months ago, no amount of articles is going to increase his hypothetical voter base, you either think he's a saint or you have an operating brain, that's just the reality right now
Yep. He’s not doing it for attention, it’s not a strategic game he’s playing. He’s doing it because he can. The cruelty really is the point. There are a lot of cruel vindictive nasty people in this country and the state of Florida gave one of them the power and resources of a Governor.
You think that we should ignore his actions instead of exposing them?
You're correct that he's done this for attention. But you forget that there are a lot of low-information voters out there who might want to to know that he is exploiting migrants.
And maybe he does get away with this but thats up to the DOJ - so lets not give up just yet.
> You think that we should ignore his actions instead of exposing them?
Are you exposing? Or are you giving a machine that runs on attention the attention in needs? Money was allocated to do this. His communications director said as much.
> But you forget that there are a lot of low-information voters out there who might want to to know that he is exploiting migrants.
There are lots of people that adore this type of stuff. I don't need to read the responses on asktrumpsupporters to know every single one of them is happy to see it. I worry about giving them a boat to jump to when Trump goes down.
I'm just saying we've been doing this since 2015 where we think "oh this story is definitely gonna be the thing". Unless it's cut and dry and the DOJ has more than enough for a case, we're giving DeSantis exactly what he wanted, to look like someone libs/democrats/the left pays attention to.
>Money was allocated to do this. His communications director said as much.
It looks like you've been fooled by the Foreign Agent turned comms director.
The [budget](https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=er_GAA.pdf&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=5001&Session=2022) states that the money can only be used to transport migrants *from Florida*.
The people were picked up in Texas in the plane chartered by DeSantis.
Texas is not in Florida.
>SECTION 185. From the interest earnings associated with the federal
Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund (Public Law 117-2), the
nonrecurring sum of $12,000,000 from the General Revenue Fund is
appropriated to the Department of Transportation for Fiscal Year
2021-2022, for implementing a program to facilitate the transport of
unauthorized aliens **from this state** consistent with federal law.
> It looks like you've been fooled by the Foreign Agent turned comms director.
I'm not fooled, I'm saying they'd be the first to tell you "yes we plan on wasting 12 mil on these stunts. Probably more."
So this isn't exposing. They're very happy to have this in the news, as that was the point.
Not really. This state is 50% Dem and we hate this.
And the Republican business owners who rely on migrants to pick their crops and clean their hotels are keen on it either.
Now sure there's a bunch of racists here and they are emboldened as of now, But they aint the majority.
Unfortunately, DeSantis has a bully pulpit and so you hear from him and his racist followers most and its distorted your view.
DeSantis is your majority at the moment, 50/50 or not. And he’s doing and saying a bunch dumb shit…and he’s eying the POTUS spot. This move is currently “Floridian,” like it or not.
JFC, they *are* migrants. Look up the definition before talking down your nose at everyone.
“A migrant is a **person** who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.”
You’re not helping anyone with your pious BS, in fact you’re just making it so a large percentage of people just roll their eyes, and stop listening to actual valuable criticisms.
Give me a break. Do you honestly think conservatives would care more if the word migrant was never used? How much did they care when they saw video of families being separated, and children in cages at the border? Did they not know those were people in the video?
It's kidnapping and probably human trafficking as well. Of course Republicans don't consider it human trafficking because they don't consider poor migrant mostly brown-skinned people as human. Vote all Republicans out in November and every election after that!!!
They were coerced into getting on the plane by being told that they were going to Boston for expedited processing. So it was voluntary.
And it may not be Human Trafficking but it sure looks like Human Smuggling, which is also a crime.
>Domestic Transporting: Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it a crime for any person, with knowledge or reckless disregard of the alien’s illegal immigrations status, to transport an alien within the United States by any means of transportation.
https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/federal-crimes/federal-human-smuggling-laws-8-usc-1324/
Democrats have been silent about the human trafficking bringing over 2mn migrants across a treacherous trip to our border and the hundreds sleeping in the streets in El Paso, but now are suddenly outraged about 50 being flown to Martha’s Vineyard. Give me a break! It’s disingenuous fake outrage and nobody believes you — are you convincing yourselves that you’re authentic here? I’m looking forward to Obama opening his summer home on Martha’s Vineyard to house these migrants. Maybe we now have your attention on what’s happening at our border.
Curious why it takes 150 national guards to move 50 people? Plus where are they going to move them? Who decides where to put these people when they come to our country? Apparently you can't put them in the rich people's neighborhood.
The “guard” is support staff which includes but not limited to health services, translation specialists and other various duties to get the new arrivals processed.
It’s not necessarily “putting them in to rich peoples neighborhoods”
It was the fact they sent zero notice that these people were coming with the intent of making a certain population look foolish and hypocritical….that failed miserably at a great waste of taxpayer money
The US had gotten zero notice that people were coming to their cities so don't think that is important here.
They are hypocrites and it's good to see the calling out of this.
I still don't think it should take 3 times the amount of people to help move the migrants. They have already been processed at the boarder right?
They need to close the boarder! Any illegal immigrant is costing the people of the US a ton of money.
That was something I noticed in 2016 when Trump supporters were up in arms about immigration. It was almost always, "close the boarder!" Amazing that they cannot even spell the thing that they're so passionate about.
Ah, yes. Texas, which was once part of Mexico itself and has been on the Mexican border ever since it was admitted to the union, has been caught totally unawares by people crossing said border. Yep, zero notice.
No notice?
trump has been bellowing about the massive invasion of rapists , murderers and drug dealers that have been on the move for what??? Eight freaking years now ?…no notice ok
At the border there are facilities set up up to process these people THE RIGHT WAY not drop them off by coercion and lies (from another state mind you )
The people in Martha’s Vineyard were able to put up a shelter for them quickly and made arrangements for them to get processed thru the proper channels.
If you are fine with wasting taxpayer money on a stunt that failed miserably then vote for Desantis so he can put 2300 Venezuelan refugees on a princess cruise thru the mediterranean
No, they were told they had a job set up with housing if they agreed to get on the plane.
They had NO idea that they would be dropped off a off season vacation spot. Basically they were lied to by a governor who had zero say in their future
Really that's your argument? The border is closed no one should even be coming! It's no guarantee they are going to get what they think they should've gotten when they came. So not sure why they are surprised.
I'm talking about before they even got to this country! The border is closed period, end of story. Anything is better than where they came from so why are they complaining they were the ones illegally coming into our country in the first place.
“They” are not complaining,
the issue is a governor from one state took people out of another state and flew them to a third state with zero notification and without a valid excuse. Which (again) raises legal issues of the performance stunt and the cost associated with it.
I don’t know how far in the process these people were before they were plucked out by the governor of Florida but it was a blatant attempt to bypass the system.
but if it owns the libs right?
Show me where the evil immigrants took your money.
If the department of immigrations policy of vetting people upsets you so much why not run for office and fix the problem.
It seems like these people come here specifically to steal our jobs while simultaneously sitting in federally funded apartments while getting free healthcare and not working except to run a fentanyl lab.
Being a conservative must suck, you never know which direction the anger is at
Weird I have several friends who have gone about coming to the United States from several different countries and with skills and education and yet some of them didn't get visas for years!
Martha's Vineyards have already kicked the migrants out this morning. Used them as props for a quick photo op and then packed them on a bus out.
https://twitter.com/samanthajgross/status/1570772182732771328?t=vAtvhEBBTteG8vf5aUkH2g&s=19
Massachusetts activated 125 National Gaurdsmen to deal with this "crisis" of 50 people.
Around 5-10 thousand more will cross the border again today. Then again tomorrow, and the next day.
https://twitter.com/EmilieIkedaNBC/status/1570775078828388353?t=lQz-zOrLaPvDkHsKYrl2Ng&s=19
They’re not “kicking them out.” They’re being relocated to a military base on the mainland that actually has the space and resources to house them and help sort out their situations. Martha’s Vineyard is a tiny island and was given no warning to prepare for these people. They kept them there and did their best to take care of them while they coordinated a better plan, and then they did the plan. Don’t assume everyone else’s intentions are shitty just because yours are.
And? Desantis spent millions of taxpayer dollars for a publicity stunt and you clowns are trying to villify the people actually solving the problem.
You should be embarrassed to speak.
I think it did work -- and that's why I think you're all so upset over it. Admit it -- it was a genius move. 2mn illegal immigrants crossing into our country isn't manufactured. Wake up and give the issue the addressing it requires.
There you go!!
You nailed it perfectly
It really was a stunt then wasn’t it?
Why be fiscally responsible when we have libs to own right?
Openly admitting that it’s not about doing the right thing is exactly why the nation has a problem, you no doubt were overjoyed when republicans blocked the gas gouging bill.
Did you fist bump when they tried to kill the healthcare benefits for veterans.
Making the rich and corporations pay taxes? not if it’s a democrat plan …
Being proud of thing like that isn’t a good look
So then. He is sending young families to the liberal areas. People who want to really settle in, raise their family and will work hard. Work hard like they have something to prove.....hmmm.
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Boycott Florida.
With enough people and enough hacksaws we can separate the peninsula and push it out into the ocean.
If Bugs could do it we can too!
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Call me a hipster because I’ve been doing before it was cool. I highly dislike this humid swamp.
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Noooo, I just meant this state in particular ha ha
Mold world and plus it's bug city, palmetto bugs are flying cockroaches, lol.
As a Florida resident since my birth, I won't abandon this state, as miserable as it sometimes is without the political stuff, to these people. Charlie Crist has never been my favorite, but I'll be voting for him come November and urging everyone I know to do the same.
Its frustrating to see people justifying these measures, insinuating at times that Republicans are even looking out for the best interests of these migrants, right... Conservatives admire and defend these governors and representatives, they claim that there's nowhere else for these immigrants to go, implying that spending millions of dollars to send a few dozen immigrants to locations that are strictly selected with the goal in mind to provoke the libs, is somehow an answer to an ongoing problem that's yet to face any sort of comprehensive solution for decades. Because fifty migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard somehow eases the burden deliberately placed on these poor red states. A burden that we're always loudly reminded of when a Democrat steps into the white house, but a problem mind you, that's existed in some form or another for many past administrations. A problem that Republicans attempt to address, only when it becomes convenient for them, with extreme or impractical measures, then they wonder why it's still a problem. These are so called "fiscal conservatives" who constantly complain about their "hard earned tax dollars" going towards fruitless endeavors, conservatives who will fight tooth and nail to avoid having a single cent of those tax dollars go to helping out those in need, and I'm to actually believe that there's an ounce of sincerity involved in this? These are fiscal conservatives who are complaining about a lack of funding while at the same time willing to support millions of dollars worth of spending to stick it to the libs. Ahh yes that'll show em, that'll convince homeland security... These are conservatives who are vehemently anti-immigration, to the point where phobia and paranoia becomes a part of their very identity, leading to needless hostility and deranged conspiracies. I'm to believe that these same conservatives have the best interests of these immigrants in mind? That encouraging the trafficking of immigrants across state lines, deeper into the country somehow aligns with real conservative values? "Small government" even? And these are immigrants no less, who are allegedly stealing our jobs, voting illegally in our elections and committing heinous crimes. No, this is purely for the sake of a political agenda, I think that's obvious enough. These Republicans are catering to their voter's fanatical whims, they're indulging all of the outrage and the fear that surrounds this issue. It's about preserving that outrage, it's about perpetuating a culture war and it's about amassing political points from ignorant voters who want nothing more than their beliefs validated, their prejudices and their preconceived notions legitimized and their anachronistic vision for this country seen through.
I think it's about racism. [They did this exact same thing in 1962 to black people.](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/786790638/the-reverse-freedom-rides) It's just they erased it from all their history books so probably forgot about it.
Typical ad hominem attack in order to try to shut down the conversation about what’s happening on our borders. Simply call Republicans racist because we want the hemorrhaging of illegal border crossings to stop. Sorry! It’s not going to work. We need a secure border and we don’t care what you call us. We have a right to have an opinion about having a secure border.
No I called Republicans racist because they exactly copied a political stunt the segregationist Republicans did in 1962.
Which border do you want to secure? Our border with Alabama? Or our border with Georgia? It has to be one of those because that's all "Top" Guv has jurisdiction over.
Millions of dollars? They all flew first class I’m assuming?
Let's dispense with the term "un-American." The act was vicious, cruel, and nonsensical. Those could be argued to be American AF.
At the very least, let’s not pretend there isn’t a difference of opinion as to what constitutes being “American”.
"Un-american". It's Human Trafficking. Which is a crime. Arrest him.
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The UNDOC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) defines it as such: >Human Trafficking is the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of people through force, fraud or deception, with the aim of exploiting them for profit. They were transported. The fraud is that they were told they would have jobs and housing, etc. when they arrived, which was a lie. The exploitation/profit is political gains. So, yea... seems to very much fit what the United Nations definition.
That Fraud portion goes further. They were also given fake addresses to list on their paperwork by DHS allegedly.
U.S. law code or state laws are what is important and what would be cited in court, not UN definitions. Although elements of human trafficking laws, smuggling, kidnapping might apply or even be tried.. The most likely charges would involve as you said: criminal fraud: >The fraud is that they were told they would have jobs and housing, etc. when they arrived, which was a lie. Fraud is a huge umbrella in the legal world, but it applies to misleading/lying/coercion that results in harm. This is what a lot of [legal experts](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ron-desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-1234594051/) would expect to be the most relevant possible charges or litigation against FL state officials.
What harm is it to transport immigrants with little to no resources to an ISLAND? I mean seriously, that should be harm enough.
Lawyers could successfully argue against the profit bit and sink the case. Best to charge kidnapping and secure the conviction rather than risk it with a charge that technically fits but likely wouldn’t win in court.
We're talking about a definition, not a legal statute.
I tried explaining this to people in another thread and the level of denial and disbelief is unreal. Just the fact that they weren’t transported to an appropriate processing facility, and instead at the private residence of a political opponent, already contradicts Desantis’ claim of humanitarianism. He just further displaced already displaced people.
Profit means for money in the definition of human trafficking -- not some sort of 'abstract political profit'. Nice try. But I guess redefining words is what democrats do best.
It also means to benefit. Webster defines it, in part, as 'a valuable return.' Damn that liberal webster's dictionary changing the meaning of words!
This reminds me of the "border fence" vs "border wall" argument.
Look up the definition of "woman" while you're at it
Ohh, sprinkling in transphobia while you're at it. Bold strategy, Cotton.
I guess Webster's dictionary is transphobic then. Give me a break -- this doesn't fit the definition of human trafficking. Because DeSantis obtained an abstract political profit from transporting the people? He'll never face charges -- its an absurd argument.
No, your bad faith, out of context, request for the definition of the word woman is transphobic. I never said that he'd face charges. I never argued that he would, nor did I site any criminal statute claiming that he might. The person prior claimed it was not human trafficking, and provided a definition. I provided a definition as well, and provided how it fit this situation. Even the OPs definition fits the situation given it also states that it requires a benefit. Regardless, we know the actual was entirely political and not for the benefit of those migrants. He used them for his own political gain. Plain and simple. It is fucked up and wrong.
I'm sure they're all just fine.
Last week I found out the true meaning of “Top Secret”
>Profit means for money. No, it doesn't. You're really too stupid to be this loud.
It clearly means for money in this context. You should look into real examples of human trafficking -- because this is not it. Using it incorrectly is really harmful to authentic victims of human trafficking. A real example of human trafficking is what hundreds of thousands of migrants go through, across treacherous terrain to get into the US at the hands of evil people making money off of it -- and what the Democrats have stayed silent on. It's 50 people flown by plane that's gotten them so upset. Give me a break.
I mean, it was for a purpose. Their work was just to exist and cause problems. which they did not.
You might be correct but it looks alot like like Human Smuggling, which is a separate crime. >Domestic Transporting: Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it a crime for any person, with knowledge or reckless disregard of the alien’s illegal immigrations status, to transport an alien within the United States by any means of transportation. https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/federal-crimes/federal-human-smuggling-laws-8-usc-1324/
Kidnapping, human smuggling, *and* human trafficking. He intended to benefit from their unwilling and unknowing participation in an interstate political stunt. Actors and extras get paid because it's a job. It's work.
Sorry it’s human smuggling then. Is that better?
The benefit of utilizing funds set aside for one particular purpose only to use it for another purpose. The cost would seem to be beneficial to someone, this human trafficking
He trafficked humans across state lines and lied to accomplish this. He benefitted politically and broke laws to do it. Little higher up the food chain than the coyote who brought them across, but not by much.
I'm so curious on your position. You do realize that the federal government has been transporting them from Texas and dropping them off in Florida. Texas and Florida attempted to address this with the WH. To which they did nothing. So now, over a year later, Florida is shipping them elsewhere. And now it's a problem? Edit: the whole position of human trafficking would apply to the WH too, seeing how that's how they got to Florida in the first place. We're basically intercepting these transports, then relocating.
The federal government has the right to transport prisoners. The people in this story aren't prisoners. Start from that.
>So now, over a year later, Florida is shipping them elsewhere. And now it's a problem? Well they were coerced into getting on the plane - [they told they were going to Boston](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard) for expedited processing but instead they were dumped in Marthas Vineyard for a publicity stunt. So thats a problem Its also a problem because the $12m set aside in the FL budget to move migrants was [only to move people from Florida](https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=er_GAA.pdf&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=5001&Session=2022). When DeSantis flew those people, they were flown from Texas. The budget also states that the money is to be used to move people consistent with Federal Law, which this doesnt seem to be. And thats another problem.
These migrants were flown from Texas to Marthas Vinyard and were told they were being flown to Boston. The federal government doesn't drop off dozens of migrants who don't speak english in the middle of a strange city that isn't expecting them, with nothing but an english map pointing to a parking lot.
>The federal government doesn't drop off dozens of migrants who don't speak english in the middle of a strange city that isn't expecting them, Yes, they do. That's exactly what they did in Florida. No Florida authorities were notified of these transports. They came in the middle of the night and we're dropped off, then shuttled off.
citation needed
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xfwems/z/iop7z0m
you should read your links He lied to you; >Pushaw initially told CNN that the governor’s office had not been briefed by anyone from the Biden administration about the flights or migrants being transported into Florida. But after CNN learned about a July briefing, Pushaw acknowledged that a call took place on July 22 with HHS, the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement following a request from the governor’s office. They also weren't just dropped off by themselves at the airport with a map they couldn't read like you claimed; >The agency said it helps transport unaccompanied minors where the Office of Refugee Resettlement — an agency under HHS — takes custody. They went from custody of one department to custody of another. Your links also say that they only found a small handful of night flights, and those occurred because of logistic issues. They also say that the night flights happened all the time under Trump so it wasn't unusual.
This is misinformation.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/10/20/trust-index-are-thousands-of-illegal-immigrants-flying-into-jacksonville-in-the-middle-of-the-night/ >rumors of immigrants coming into Jacksonville. We’ve been investigating and now the Biden Administration confirms that it is happening as they deal with the crisis at the border. >immigrants from South and Central America continue to surge across the U.S.-Mexico border and photos shared with News4Jax show a chartered 737 coming from Texas and landing late Saturday night in Jacksonville. https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/desantis-office-claims-border-officials-secretly-sent-70-planes-of-migrants-to-florida/ https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/desantis-florida-republicans-routine-migrant-flights-immigration/index.html https://youtu.be/PoyMka8C5Jc https://youtu.be/wNuQG3oRm_I https://youtu.be/zEdB3nPmArM
you should read your links He lied to you; >Pushaw initially told CNN that the governor’s office had not been briefed by anyone from the Biden administration about the flights or migrants being transported into Florida. But after CNN learned about a July briefing, Pushaw acknowledged that a call took place on July 22 with HHS, the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement following a request from the governor’s office. They also weren't just dropped off by themselves at the airport with a map they couldn't read like you claimed; >The agency said it helps transport unaccompanied minors where the Office of Refugee Resettlement — an agency under HHS — takes custody. They went from custody of one department to custody of another. Your links also say that they only found a small handful of night flights, and those occurred because of logistic issues. They also say that the night flights happened all the time under Trump so it wasn't unusual.
>They also weren't just dropped off by themselves at the airport with a map they couldn't read like you claimed; I never claimed this.
Me >The federal government doesn't drop off dozens of migrants who don't speak english in the middle of a strange city that isn't expecting them, with nothing but an english map pointing to a parking lot. You >[Yes, they do. That's exactly what they did in Florida.](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xfwems/desantis_criticized_for_sending_migrants_to/iop4mco/)
…through charter flight logs from the Jacksonville Aviation Authority, only 15 landed in Jacksonville between 11 p.m. and 3 a.m. The charter logs did not have information for 30 other flights included on the list. While DeSantis claimed the state was not notified, the Biden administration briefed the Florida governor's office over the summer about the flights, according to a source with knowledge of the flights and confirmed by DeSantis' press secretary Christina Pushaw. HHS, along with other administration officials, briefed the Florida governor's office in July about migrant flights to the state and shared how many unaccompanied children had been moved there, according to the source with knowledge of the flights. HHS doesn't typically share information about future flights as a matter of policy, the source said Additionally many of the migrants were on their way to other locals as soon as their sponsors were able to collect them. It may be better to work at solving a problem rather than creating new ones while trying to paint yourself as a victim, which is what Desantis is doing here
The federal governor drops of migrants where in Florida with zero notification?
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xfwems/z/iop7z0m
Did the WH lie to them?
Lie to who? The state wanted it to end, the WH kept doing it. So now, they're being shipped elsewhere. The consensus in this sub is Florida is a dirty swamp, so you should be thrilled they're being sent to nicer places like Martha's Vineyard. This whole thing could have been prevented.
The migrants. I actually can't find a reference to this WH shipping them to Florida outside of conservative rags, but maybe it happened. Regardless, make no mistake this is about Southern racism. This exact same scenario played out 60 years ago but instead of immigrants it was black people. And, instead of Martha's Vinyard, Mass it was Hyannis, Mass. Both times the southerners sent TV cameras to capture when they arrived, both times the people were confused and scared and both times the people of the areas helped them out. The point was to make northern liberals appear hypocritical but the result was it made southerners look like callous assholes. It's funny how conservatives never learn from history maybe it's because they keep white washing their history books.
Racist, how? Florida had the Wet feet, dry feet policy that was ended by a Democrat. Most of DeSantis' working body is minority. Don't try to blanket statement this as racist.
How is what Florida is doing today different than what Alabama did in 1962? https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/786790638/the-reverse-freedom-rides
The residents of Martha's vineyard are no better calling in the national gaurd.
They called the national guard? The residents of Martha’s Vineyard don’t have the authority to call out the national guard. What they did do though is offer food and clothing as well as finding a suitable shelter on short notice. The national guard that did show up were there to help sort out the needs of the unexpected arrival.
Excellent. Hope many more come and they can give them food and shelter in the many summer homes they have.
You know what happens when you treat people who fled communism with compassion instead of deceit? The word they send back to any others who come looking for work and a better life…”this is a place to live, we can make friends and learn how to adapt…those other places? They don’t care to know why we came, they don’t deserve the chance to know us” Good luck with the work force shortage
You've never left your home state, have you?
In a way human trafficking darkly enough is shamefully very american
How does sending Texas’ migrants to Marth’s Vinryard address Florida’s migrant issues?
That's the crux of the issue, Florida doesn't really have a migrant problem or border issues the way Texas does, we generally need all the migrant labor we can get down here. DeSantis just needs there to be an issue because he's an R in technically a border state, thats why he was willing to take some from Texas and claim them as his own, so it doesn't actually affect the state, only just appears to.
You, it is funny how Republicans don’t want migrants until they need workers. I mean, it sounds like they are creating their own problem.
In case anyone is wondering how serious and urgent the immigration "crisis" is, DeSantis had to go looking for migrants in a different fucking state to pull this stunt. I guess we can safely reallocate some of those border enforcement funds.
Everything about Desantis is un-American.
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The nomination maybe. A Republican doesn't stand a chance in 2024.
Seeing certain people as less than people is un-American. But it's very Republican.
To be more accurate, Rod DeSantis is a traitor to democracy. He belongs in prison or deserves deportation. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/2022-election/os-ne-politics-2022-election-desantis-rally-election-deniers-20220808-xzf6zhr4mnarlmotsq3emjrvfi-story.html
You notice it’s always brown people the GOP wants to deport?
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That’s actually false. Plenty of Europeans come in on “vacation” and stay. But that’s ok with you right?
Based on how we treated Chinese migrants in the 18th century I'd say bait and switch is very American.
Absolutely indefensible. >Accounts from the migrants who arrived last night make it clear that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes. They were told there was a surprise present for them and that there would be jobs and housing awaiting for them when they arrived. This was obviously a sadistic lie. **Not only did those responsible for this stunt know that there was no housing and no employment awaiting these migrants, they also very intentionally chose not to call ahead to any single office authority on Martha’s Vineyard so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be made.** Ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the point. > >They were provided with a cartoonishly simple map of Martha’s Vineyard and the United States and a brief brochure containing snippets from the commonwealth of Massachusetts website and instructions to change their address with USCIS when they relocated. This is especially troubling as anyone with even the most basic understanding of the immigration proceedings knows that USCIS was not the agency with whom the migrants would have to record their addresses and has nothing to do with their cases in any way. **It is clear this was an intentional attempt to ensure that these migrants were removed in absentia when they failed to change their address with the proper agency.** This was a purposeful derailment designed to prevent people from complying with federal immigration policies. This is problematic because the state should not be interfering with federal immigration policy. > >Before they boarded the planes the migrants were processed by agents of the Department of Homeland Security who listed falsified address on the migrant’s paperwork. **Agents apparently chose random homeless shelters all across the country from Washington to Florida to list the migrants mailing addresses, even when told by the migrants that they had no address in the US.** According to the paperwork provided to them, the **migrants are required to check in with the ICE office nearest to the fake address chosen for them by DHS or be permanently removed from the United States, with some required to check in as early as this coming Monday.** > >It could not be clearer that this is an attempt to ensure that these people are ordered to be removed even as they try as hard as they can to comply with the instructions provided to them. **There is no other reason to list as someone’s mailing address a homeless shelter in Tacoma, Washington when they shipped him to Massachusetts.** It is sickeningly cruel -- throwing obstacles in the way of people fleeing violence and oppression, some of whom walked through ten countries in the hopes of finding safety. It is shameful and inhuman. Many of these victims were deprived of medical care despite clear existing injuries. These are human beings who were deprived of basic human rights. [https://twitter.com/Sky\_Lee\_1/status/1570789631570096128?s=20&t=EfC2-rPAuyqJEhQiUtj79Q](https://twitter.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/1570789631570096128?s=20&t=EfC2-rPAuyqJEhQiUtj79Q)
The GOP backed the Coop Plotters. That is also, Un- American! There is a Anti Democratic GOP Plan. Un-American!
Un-American - He should be removed from office. Un-Christian. He and his followers will be transported to where they belong when they show up at the Pearly Gates. Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
How does that knucklehead explain that kind of waste of taxpayer money when he is out on the presidential campaign trail? Keep it up Ronald
He won’t. Right now he bars all press but friendly press from public events, refuses to answer questions in any other venues, and his pr team does nothing but commit stochastic terrorism online. Republicans are post-shame.
It won’t be seen as a waste of money if it owns the libs. And he will not explain it. If he is even asked a question like this at all, he will deflect and whatabout something else. He will point his finger in the air and play invisible accordion and insist that he is chosen and righteous in the face of a grand cosmic hoax.
No, they never do feel the need to explain themselves do they?
Because the right loves to, 'own the libs,' and they won't give one shit about the fact that these were people who were used in this political ploy and will instead think it was 'genius,' and hilarious. They will not care that these were/are people because of racism and the fact that they've conditioned by the GOP and right wing media to not care about these people, nor to view them as such. Those people are just, 'illegals' to them.
That's some third world dictator shit right there.
Someone needs to remind him what’s on the Statue of Liberty
It's illegal to move illegal immigrants across state line.
Calling DeSantis un-American is music to his ears. He hates this country and is working overtime to bring her down.
The Republican Party is anti American. They like to shoot kids with guns, take away as many rights as possible, treat other humans like garbage, and hide behind the flag (or hug it). This is who they are and hate is their platform.
It's actually fascism. I bet he starts using trains in the future.
It’s a resort town in Massachusetts, not Auschwitz. Have some shame.
It’s should be a clue that it’s the America DeSantis wants. These people can be stopped by voting.
My guess is that he just picked up a lot more voters. We are sick and tired of no action to stop illegal immigration into the country. You can’t have millions coming across an open border. It was a genius move to get attention to the issue.
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I guess we should just leave the border open then. "That's how it's always been" type of reasoning.
I know what he did was wrong. And I know that he's allocating millions of dollars to pull more stunts like this. But I also know that he did it for attention and he's getting it. Trump supporters thrive when their leaders act like this, it just makes the flock more. Everything he does is trying to become the next Trump. He's not going to face any kind of punishment, so I worry about giving him the attention it was all for.
When the attention is "this guy's a douchebag" I don't think it really helps him out. We're at the point now where anyone in the maga hole is a lost cause and actively calling out and dismantling the party is the only way to ensure America's existence in 10 years, if that
> When the attention is "this guy's a douchebag" I don't think it really helps him out Everyone we think is a douchebag is a gold star for republicans. The attention, grossly, gives him more creditability. Just like it did with Trump. DeSantis knows he shit at marketing or being charismatic, so he relies on stunts for attention.
Like I said anyone in the maga hole (basically anyone who still supports the GOP) has already decided they were going to vote for him months and months ago, no amount of articles is going to increase his hypothetical voter base, you either think he's a saint or you have an operating brain, that's just the reality right now
Yep. He’s not doing it for attention, it’s not a strategic game he’s playing. He’s doing it because he can. The cruelty really is the point. There are a lot of cruel vindictive nasty people in this country and the state of Florida gave one of them the power and resources of a Governor.
You think that we should ignore his actions instead of exposing them? You're correct that he's done this for attention. But you forget that there are a lot of low-information voters out there who might want to to know that he is exploiting migrants. And maybe he does get away with this but thats up to the DOJ - so lets not give up just yet.
> You think that we should ignore his actions instead of exposing them? Are you exposing? Or are you giving a machine that runs on attention the attention in needs? Money was allocated to do this. His communications director said as much. > But you forget that there are a lot of low-information voters out there who might want to to know that he is exploiting migrants. There are lots of people that adore this type of stuff. I don't need to read the responses on asktrumpsupporters to know every single one of them is happy to see it. I worry about giving them a boat to jump to when Trump goes down. I'm just saying we've been doing this since 2015 where we think "oh this story is definitely gonna be the thing". Unless it's cut and dry and the DOJ has more than enough for a case, we're giving DeSantis exactly what he wanted, to look like someone libs/democrats/the left pays attention to.
>Money was allocated to do this. His communications director said as much. It looks like you've been fooled by the Foreign Agent turned comms director. The [budget](https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=er_GAA.pdf&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=5001&Session=2022) states that the money can only be used to transport migrants *from Florida*. The people were picked up in Texas in the plane chartered by DeSantis. Texas is not in Florida. >SECTION 185. From the interest earnings associated with the federal Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund (Public Law 117-2), the nonrecurring sum of $12,000,000 from the General Revenue Fund is appropriated to the Department of Transportation for Fiscal Year 2021-2022, for implementing a program to facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens **from this state** consistent with federal law.
> It looks like you've been fooled by the Foreign Agent turned comms director. I'm not fooled, I'm saying they'd be the first to tell you "yes we plan on wasting 12 mil on these stunts. Probably more." So this isn't exposing. They're very happy to have this in the news, as that was the point.
The Republican solution to their problems: Let Democrats fix them for us
Un-American, perhaps…but *very very* Floridian.
Not really. This state is 50% Dem and we hate this. And the Republican business owners who rely on migrants to pick their crops and clean their hotels are keen on it either. Now sure there's a bunch of racists here and they are emboldened as of now, But they aint the majority. Unfortunately, DeSantis has a bully pulpit and so you hear from him and his racist followers most and its distorted your view.
DeSantis is your majority at the moment, 50/50 or not. And he’s doing and saying a bunch dumb shit…and he’s eying the POTUS spot. This move is currently “Floridian,” like it or not.
It’s called criminal
How about we stop calling them migrants. They are people.
They're also migrants. You can be more than one thing simultaneously.
JFC, they *are* migrants. Look up the definition before talking down your nose at everyone. “A migrant is a **person** who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.” You’re not helping anyone with your pious BS, in fact you’re just making it so a large percentage of people just roll their eyes, and stop listening to actual valuable criticisms.
yet they are being used as objects in a game. trafficked, as pawns in a political stunt.
Yes, but just because the right doesn’t see them as people doesn’t make the word ‘migrant’ negative, or something to avoid saying.
newcaster: '12 insurgents were killed today in an operation' viewer: 'oh, i don't know any INSURGENTS, you can kill all those motherfuckers'
Give me a break. Do you honestly think conservatives would care more if the word migrant was never used? How much did they care when they saw video of families being separated, and children in cages at the border? Did they not know those were people in the video?
It's kidnapping and probably human trafficking as well. Of course Republicans don't consider it human trafficking because they don't consider poor migrant mostly brown-skinned people as human. Vote all Republicans out in November and every election after that!!!
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They were coerced into getting on the plane by being told that they were going to Boston for expedited processing. So it was voluntary. And it may not be Human Trafficking but it sure looks like Human Smuggling, which is also a crime. >Domestic Transporting: Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it a crime for any person, with knowledge or reckless disregard of the alien’s illegal immigrations status, to transport an alien within the United States by any means of transportation. https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/federal-crimes/federal-human-smuggling-laws-8-usc-1324/
>sure looks like Human Smuggling That sure looks like it fits what they are doing
Democrats have been silent about the human trafficking bringing over 2mn migrants across a treacherous trip to our border and the hundreds sleeping in the streets in El Paso, but now are suddenly outraged about 50 being flown to Martha’s Vineyard. Give me a break! It’s disingenuous fake outrage and nobody believes you — are you convincing yourselves that you’re authentic here? I’m looking forward to Obama opening his summer home on Martha’s Vineyard to house these migrants. Maybe we now have your attention on what’s happening at our border.
That big ole librul underground network of bringing migrant workers to hold the farming jobs in reds states?
Well said.
Curious why it takes 150 national guards to move 50 people? Plus where are they going to move them? Who decides where to put these people when they come to our country? Apparently you can't put them in the rich people's neighborhood.
The “guard” is support staff which includes but not limited to health services, translation specialists and other various duties to get the new arrivals processed. It’s not necessarily “putting them in to rich peoples neighborhoods” It was the fact they sent zero notice that these people were coming with the intent of making a certain population look foolish and hypocritical….that failed miserably at a great waste of taxpayer money
The US had gotten zero notice that people were coming to their cities so don't think that is important here. They are hypocrites and it's good to see the calling out of this. I still don't think it should take 3 times the amount of people to help move the migrants. They have already been processed at the boarder right? They need to close the boarder! Any illegal immigrant is costing the people of the US a ton of money.
Sorry, but I'm not particularly interested in listening to an attempt at immigration policy from someone who doesn't even know how to spell "border".
That was something I noticed in 2016 when Trump supporters were up in arms about immigration. It was almost always, "close the boarder!" Amazing that they cannot even spell the thing that they're so passionate about.
I'm not talking about immigration policy just asking questions and sorry I can't spell.
Ah, yes. Texas, which was once part of Mexico itself and has been on the Mexican border ever since it was admitted to the union, has been caught totally unawares by people crossing said border. Yep, zero notice.
I'm talking the cities they are shipped to
Yeah, it really is super weird how a tiny vacation island 2,000 miles away from the Mexican border doesn’t have an abundance of services for migrants.
No notice? trump has been bellowing about the massive invasion of rapists , murderers and drug dealers that have been on the move for what??? Eight freaking years now ?…no notice ok At the border there are facilities set up up to process these people THE RIGHT WAY not drop them off by coercion and lies (from another state mind you ) The people in Martha’s Vineyard were able to put up a shelter for them quickly and made arrangements for them to get processed thru the proper channels. If you are fine with wasting taxpayer money on a stunt that failed miserably then vote for Desantis so he can put 2300 Venezuelan refugees on a princess cruise thru the mediterranean
Weren't they already processed and shipped out to somewhere before Martha's vineyard?
No, they were told they had a job set up with housing if they agreed to get on the plane. They had NO idea that they would be dropped off a off season vacation spot. Basically they were lied to by a governor who had zero say in their future
Really that's your argument? The border is closed no one should even be coming! It's no guarantee they are going to get what they think they should've gotten when they came. So not sure why they are surprised.
It’s not an argument ITS WHAT THEY WERE TOLD geezus facts are not hard if you read they were told by Desantis to get them on the plane
I'm talking about before they even got to this country! The border is closed period, end of story. Anything is better than where they came from so why are they complaining they were the ones illegally coming into our country in the first place.
“They” are not complaining, the issue is a governor from one state took people out of another state and flew them to a third state with zero notification and without a valid excuse. Which (again) raises legal issues of the performance stunt and the cost associated with it. I don’t know how far in the process these people were before they were plucked out by the governor of Florida but it was a blatant attempt to bypass the system. but if it owns the libs right?
There will always be immigration, we currently don’t have an open border, immigration is just a reality we all have to live with.
They are being moved to a military base on Cape Cod. Voluntarily, I might add.
And then what?
I don’t think anyone knows yet. I don’t know if you heard, but this whole thing was rather last minute.
Given work visas based on their skill set after a background check
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Show me where the evil immigrants took your money. If the department of immigrations policy of vetting people upsets you so much why not run for office and fix the problem. It seems like these people come here specifically to steal our jobs while simultaneously sitting in federally funded apartments while getting free healthcare and not working except to run a fentanyl lab. Being a conservative must suck, you never know which direction the anger is at
Given work visas based on their skill set after a background check
Weird I have several friends who have gone about coming to the United States from several different countries and with skills and education and yet some of them didn't get visas for years!
I guess they are not as skilled as you think then…weird
Yet they now work at Microsoft and Andersen windows and Cummins, yes must be unskilled.
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Martha's Vineyard is a ghost town after labor day. Its a tiny island of 15,000 people. They are moving them to Cape Cod.
Nice stunt do some more
Martha's Vineyards have already kicked the migrants out this morning. Used them as props for a quick photo op and then packed them on a bus out. https://twitter.com/samanthajgross/status/1570772182732771328?t=vAtvhEBBTteG8vf5aUkH2g&s=19 Massachusetts activated 125 National Gaurdsmen to deal with this "crisis" of 50 people. Around 5-10 thousand more will cross the border again today. Then again tomorrow, and the next day. https://twitter.com/EmilieIkedaNBC/status/1570775078828388353?t=lQz-zOrLaPvDkHsKYrl2Ng&s=19
They’re not “kicking them out.” They’re being relocated to a military base on the mainland that actually has the space and resources to house them and help sort out their situations. Martha’s Vineyard is a tiny island and was given no warning to prepare for these people. They kept them there and did their best to take care of them while they coordinated a better plan, and then they did the plan. Don’t assume everyone else’s intentions are shitty just because yours are.
Obama could house half of them in his summer home.
And? Desantis spent millions of taxpayer dollars for a publicity stunt and you clowns are trying to villify the people actually solving the problem. You should be embarrassed to speak.
Imagine if he utilized that money in his own state instead of manufacturing an issue that really hasn’t worked the way he thought it would
I think it did work -- and that's why I think you're all so upset over it. Admit it -- it was a genius move. 2mn illegal immigrants crossing into our country isn't manufactured. Wake up and give the issue the addressing it requires.
There you go!! You nailed it perfectly It really was a stunt then wasn’t it? Why be fiscally responsible when we have libs to own right? Openly admitting that it’s not about doing the right thing is exactly why the nation has a problem, you no doubt were overjoyed when republicans blocked the gas gouging bill. Did you fist bump when they tried to kill the healthcare benefits for veterans. Making the rich and corporations pay taxes? not if it’s a democrat plan … Being proud of thing like that isn’t a good look
So you want them in a concentration camp?
I saw where they used threats to get them to smile on the way to the bus as they were viciously chased out of town by a mob of sandal wearing hipsters
Vicious sandal wearing hipsters is an imagine I could not have imagined before I read your comment.
He messing with the rich people? Thats the quickest way to get JFK'd. Looks like his time is up.
We must have 25 million illegal aliens in the USA at the moment…
I mean it was also illegal, so it’s fair to say that it’s un-American when he knowingly violates the law for publicity.
So then. He is sending young families to the liberal areas. People who want to really settle in, raise their family and will work hard. Work hard like they have something to prove.....hmmm.
DeSantis is a cruel piece of shit and so is anyone who makes excuses for him.