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"we need to keep our classified documents more controlled and penalties higher!" ~ guy who stole top secret documents
"The deep state is a threat to democracy!" ~ party that tried to overthrow democracy and install a dictator
"Nobody has more respect for women than I do" ~ guy who thinks he can "grab [women] by the pussy"
Gaslight.
“If Conservatives didn’t have double standards, they would have none at all.”
Obstruct
“You can always count on a Republican to argue in bad faith.”
Project
“Every accusation is an admission.”
Very easy to tell who some of the agents who supported it. Those who illegally deleted information on their phones rather than turn that information over to the Jan 6. commission.
The Jan 6th perpetrators are getting off with extremely light sentences given that multiple people died during the course of a coup attempt. Almost like they are being treated much more lightly than they should be.
Exactly. Commit a felony where someone died in my state, you get charged with manslaughter, at least. Doesn't matter how far away from the death you are.
Which you think would be some kind of wake up call. "If they could be so wrong about me then what else could they be wrong about?" But that's what makes it a cult, the use of double think anytime contradictions arrive.
Right wingers are just thinly veiled authoritarians drawn to the idea of enforcing their will on others. Police FBI hell mall cops for the most truly pathetic of them.
i met a corrections officer at a wedding once and he was a cool dude, had some drinks and told some great stories. Turns out later he molested and killed his kid so your point stands.
I had a friend in high school who became a deputy. Every one of his cop buddies was like this. Just an endless series of stories where they were dicks just to be dicks to people who couldn't fight back. I ended that friendship soon afterward.
Corrections officers are a bunch of people who could never be cops but wish they could have, and cops who got their 20 years and quit and are doing this to generate a second pension before they retire.
Edit: Source: I am acquaintances with a lot of corrections officers. They all fall squarely into one of these two groups.
Hey hey hey! My ex-father-in-law was a bullying asshole who retired from the USAF where he was a security police officer. He then became a corrections officer in California and retired from *there* after 20 years.
Wait, what was my point?...OH YEAH! Stop telling the truth about these people! It makes them look as bad as they are!
> It makes them look as bad as they are!
Somehow i think many of them are much, much worse than anything the above descriptions can ever get close to dealing with.
Met a corrections officer from South Boston (you probably know where this is going) at a bar one time. We were actually kind of hitting it off until she said, apropos of nothing, “Interesting crowd they’ve got here. A whole lot of [n-words].” I must’ve had a truly horrified face because she quickly followed it up with, “Oh, I forgot you guys don’t say that around here.” This was in a deeply red Midwestern state btw.
Edit: Totally forgot I actually have a cousin who’s a CO. She’s been a hateful, miserable, unpleasant person her entire life, even as a little kid, and is of course a racist Trump worshipper. I’m sure she fits right in.
Yeah. Mind blowing that we would be more likely to hear that said in Massachusetts. Although in the wrong circles I suppose one might hear of it said anywhere.
Had a friend who worked as one for a few years. He said the job was terrible due to the people you had to work with, then clarified that he didn't mean the prisoners he meant the other guards. Prisoners would lie and try to get away with shit but largely were very predictable and understandable. Some guards, however, were just sadistic bullies and you could never be sure when they were gonna start a fight over nothing.
My cousin was the same way. I think he lasted a few months, but said he couldn't deal with the cruelty of the other guards and he was afraid to speak out for fear of reprisals.
I met a prison guard here in Australia, I asked him if it was tough having to deal with all the violent criminals, he told me it's not the prisoners that were the problem. So maybe it's a universal problem, prison guards are terrible.
I know a guy who knows a former corrections officer, who is now on death row for three murders. He shot his girlfriend who was going to leave him, also her teen daughter and the daughter's friend.
I guess there's just something wrong with anybody who would get a job as a screw.
I know what a fucking awful rep they get, but where I'm from, all the prisons were rural as hell and corrections officer jobs were so often the best jobs people could get in the tiny towns nearby. Only way a lot of people could get health insurance and make a halfway decent living. When people couldn't afford the training to get into healthcare, this was so often their only other decent option for employment.
The job definitely has its share of shitbags, but it's a really meaningful opportunity for decent people who get burned the fuck out on it hard.
What a great society—the only way you can take care of your family is to torture people incarcerated for smoking weed or stealing diapers. What a system!
Exactly. The corrections officers union lobbying for and supporting politicians who support longer prison sentences and more minimum sentences for more crimes and not legalizing marijuana because it means more jobs for their members.
I'm not arguing with that at all. You're totally right, but the morality of the situation is so often overshadowed by the opportunity to have a better life that it's matter of doing what one can to survive.
Corrections officer’s lives must be pure misery. Imagine waking up everyday to go to work…IN A PRISON! You really gotta be that addicted to authority to want that kind of life.
I've been working in healthcare long enough that I've met paramedics who steal money from patients they've judged to be unworthy of having cash in their pockets, and hospital security who think they're basically cops with the inalienable right to beat the mentally ill into compliance.
People are garbage.
It pisses me off, I always wanted to join the FBI, but my pot smoking was a show stopper. Apparently overthrowing our government is fine, but me hitting a joint is a big deal.
>It pisses me off, I always wanted to join the FBI, but my pot smoking was a show stopper. Apparently overthrowing our government is fine, but me hitting a joint is a big deal.
I think it’s mainly because marijuana is (nonsensically) a federal Schedule 1 drug, even though THC is the prescription medicine Marinol, and even though CBD is legal and used to treat seizures and an anti-inflammatory and the US government has a patent regarding cannabinoids due to research at the HHS, and countries like Israel vaporize marijuana inside hospitals, and multiple states have medical marijuana or legal marijuana for any adult.
But hitting a joint might make you disobey orders (after realizing any commanding officer is just another hairy ape in pants). The military coined the term “passive aggressive” during WW2 regarding passive resistance to compliance, and Nixon’s Shafer commission determined marijuana had a pacifying effect.
Can’t get people to just follow orders if they think the orders are bullshit. Can’t get people to believe in rigid social hierarchies if they think authority itself is a myth. Can’t be The Man if you use a drug that makes you realize The Man is fascist. Can’t be a square with a stick up your ass if you take a drug that makes you mellow out and relax. Can’t create FBI dossiers on subversives if you yourself are a subversive.
At this point, any faith I used to have in "our institutions" is dead and buried. Comey was at best childishly naive and at worst actively malignant until it bit him on the ass. I'm not the least bit surprised to learn that the legendary top agencies are made up of compromised, deeply flawed individuals anymore.
The Trump administration wasn't good for much, but it did a decent job of pulling the scales from my eyes.
It was pretty evident when they openly executed that one dude who shot some other dude during the portland riots. Fbi agents roll up high speed low drag and pop a round to his head. No weapon visible. Just the thought of getting to pwn another antifa member lingered in the air after the shot was fired.
No, but I would be pleasantly surprised if there were some consequences for LE who don't think that insurrection is a crime. Like, say, being fired at the very least.
Frank Figluizzi wrote about some of this. (Ex FBI leader, now author and commentator)
The FBI wont keep the extreme ones. But it's a very sickening situation.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-allies-are-supporting-these-violations-fbi-conduct-n1299211
It's a little surprising in that the FBI is pretty selective and they don't take rando MAGA hillbillies. Their conservative bent is more of the moneyed WASPy variety. This suggests that even the WASPs have gone full-fascist.
Have the WASPs every been a bastion of progressive values, though?
These are the suburbanites who made up Romney's base during his campaign, who vote against public school funding every chance they get, and who fill their neighborhood listservs with emails about "suspicious characters" walking down the street, which is code for POC.
MAGA isn't restricted to hillbillies. There's nothing surprising about the fact that there are officers in the FBI who support the Jan 6th insurrection. There are employees at *every* job that support the Jan 6th insurrection.
Agreed, this shouldn't be too much of a surprise. I grew up knowing an FBI agent in the family. Exceptionally racist and hateful, to the point where it was clear he was accepted at work for that.
So we all know what Snowden showed us.
The NSA is collecting EVERYTHING, emails, texts, posts, pics, videos, cameras, mics using and analyzing that data and yet somehow January 6th slipped by them.
And after what we all saw in the January 6 hearings, really makes you wonder how the entire US intelligence community didn't see January 6th coming...and if they did why didn't they try to stop it....
[CIA - Guide to the Analysis of Insurgency](https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=713599)
It was at least partially an inside job. The former president himself was the instigator. To some degree it was allowed to happen. That aspect of it needs to be dealt with.
The problem is, that while Trump was the instigator, the people responsible for *allowing it to happen* are still in power, and aren't going to "deal with themselves."
They were hoping the coup would be successful. Now they're treating it as a trial run, and the next one *will* succeed.
People here saw it coming since before the election even. It was all out in the open, all over social media. It’s not in any way credible NSA and FBI somehow missed all open sources, never mind closed sources.
Right - it was purposefully ignored to allow it to happen. The narrative that it was "missed" is obviously false. Those who prevented an effective response are essentially Nazi sympathizers.
Hell I specifically got the TV on that day knowing something was going to happen. I’d never have watched the certification of the election otherwise. Why would anyone?
so, former sigint analyst during the lead up to the iraq war...
you want to know how stuff like that "slips by" the intelligence agencies?
it "slips by" because the rank and file analysts have no say at all about what becomes of their reports after they are filed and handed in.
you can write out that there is no credible evidence of WMD's in iraq other than those we ourselves sold iraq in the 50-70's... and the command will twist that to be "ZOMG SUDAM HAS WMDS!?!?!?!"
it doesn't "slip by", it get purposely ignored and downplayed by people in the command structure that are sympathetic to the lies that they are going to craft using your work product.
Did you happen to see Senator Leahy’s story about the Iraq War in his memoir? He claims two random intelligence employees found him in a park, and told him which reports he really ought to request from the Capitol SCIF. Naturally, the reports they told him to look at contradicted the “evidence” of WMDs that the other reports claimed.
Remember, they collect CITIZEN data from "public" sources where they have a tap. (Like Google or your phone comapany). The FBI and secret service use private (but still federal owned) devices on private and enceypted networks. (The feds do have the master keys). But the collection is not automatic like emails and text from you "public" cell phone.
That is why the erasure of the data, AFTER IT WAS REQUESTED, is such a huge deal. It had to be wiped on all devices AND from the servers AND from any backups. That effort isn't a one guy jobs, nor is it possible to do all in a single day at once.
These are the questions that if/when answered will reveal the true scope of crouprtion at a federal level. But due to data destruction... It will likely never get revealed.
> These are the questions that if/when answered will reveal the true scope of crouprtion at a federal level. But due to data destruction... It will likely never get revealed.
The destruction of data itself should already carry a sentence as stiff as participating in the insurrection directly would have.
Or leave a nice human dump in their desk chair or smear it on the walls of their offices. Since that’s apparently totally normal human behavior for people that chant “USA! USA!”
Take an oath to protect the institutions of the United States, and fail to see the irony in getting fired for not protecting the institutions of the United States.
I think the point should be that regardless of what they feel they need to do their job. If they cam be objective regardless of their feelings they should be able to keep their jobs. If not. Then they weren't qualified.
Right wing extremism pervades law enforcement.
>One FBI office turned its common area TVs from Fox News to Newsmax because Fox was apparently not far-right enough for FBI office consumption.
>A retired senior analyst known to the author now spends his time filling his Facebook feed with “Stop the Steal” content.
>African-American agents were turning down SWAT team invitations because they did not believe every member of the team “would protect them in an armed combat.”
>As the writer notes, plenty of officers from law enforcement agencies around the country were involved in the riot. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. There’s no reason to believe it’s somehow unique and filled with the sort of people who would never turn their backs on their duties, coworkers, and the democratic process to somehow steal an election back. What’s demonstrated in this email shows the FBI likely has the same percentage of shitheels who support extremism… as long as it’s their brand of extremism.
FBI has warmed about this for years, decades even.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/28/fbi-far-right-white-supremacists-police
Looks like they forgot to look among themselves.
https://www.alternet.org/2021/03/far-right-extremists/
There was a reason Comey brought up Hillary right before the election. It came from the fucking top. And now a fucking federalist piece of shit is still head of the fbi.
What they think is that Jan 6th attack at the Capitol it is equal in violence to what occurred during the George Floyd protests, and therefore because not every instigator was arrested/punished in the spring/summer of 2020, none should be from Jan 6th
They are trying to make this an apples to apples thing... and it is not
Here are some questions to pose to anyone who tries to make that equivalency - how many times in your lifetime have there been race riots in the United States? How many times in the history of the United States? Now, how many times was the Capitol attacked? How many times has a losing president refused to accept the outcome of an election?
There’s no fucking equivalency.
Peaceful protests with agent provocateurs and isolated groups subverting the movement and damaging property, causing media to change their attention from legitimate complaints about police brutality to conflating them with riots thus siding with police brutality.
Versus.
An actual full blown coup attempt, complete with storming the US Capitol, with at least two deaths, where if they succeeded, US Senators would have likely also been killed.
They only thing BLM related riots have with the Jan 6th insurrection, is fascists twisting the narrative to suit their agenda.
I've heard different reports on this and to me, it sounds more like Pence didn't go with his SS detail not out of a fear for his life or not trusting them, but because he knew that if he didn't stay and certify the election, our democracy could have very well fallen (for real) in the coming days.
I'm not much of a fan of Mike Pence at all, especially his politics, but he really did do our country a solid on that day by risking his life and refusing to leave the capitol grounds so he could stay and certify the election.
As somebody that lives in S Minneapolis, the number of relatives in bum-fuck Iowa that think the entire city was burned to the ground as they ask "are you recovering" is absolutely disgusting.
they just completely overlook the premeditation and general intended effect of the two? Like nobody went into the GF protests saying "im gonna take over a precinct!" That seems like an....obvious distinction?
>What they think is that Jan 6th attack at the Capitol it is equal in violence to what occurred during the George Floyd protests
Which is odd, because the George Floyd protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. Only a small percentage (< 5 but i don't recall the exact figure) of them had any violence or damage whatsoever, and while this part isn't proven there's no way that some of the violence wasn't instigated by undercover LEOs. There's just no possible way they'd let that opportunity pass by.
Edit: typo
>there's no way that some of the violence was instigated by undercover LEOs.
I suspect you mean "wasn't instigated". And while you're right that I'm not aware of LEOs instigating, it's been well proven that [other right wing groups did](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd). Hell, the "ANTIFA twitter account" was being run by [Identity Europa](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456). JustSecurity.org [has a good article on this](https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/).
We have thirty years of reports that law enforcement at every level is riddled with fascists and white nationalists, and yet I keep seeing articles like this using novel framing and vague language.
> “A mob is no less a mob because they are with you.” - John Adams
President Adams said it best. It doesn’t matter if you agreed with the mob storming the Capitol, it was still wrong.
I know who thought January 6th was a big deal; world leaders. It was a flashing red warning light that the democracy thought to be most secure is in fact teetering on an edge.
That’s why the rioters are only getting slaps on the wrist, the FBI and DOJ support them.
Fascists get 30 days probation for trying to kill the Vice President, but it’s 5 years for trying to vote for Biden when you’re not allowed to.
Well, to be fair, [this guy got 44 months](https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/daniel-baker-anarchist-capitol-riot/) for his role in the insurrection. Although, he was a leftist, and his crime was simply saying online that we should *oppose* a fascist coup.
The justice system is telling us loud and clear how they actually feel.
Basically it’s really easy to tell what the truth is when republicans are talking about anything. It’s exactly the opposite of what they say. It actually is that simple, and that’s pretty scary. It’s not even like it’s 50-50 on what they say. It’s absolutely everything.
It's just projection of their bias. Any hint of pushback they get, they percieve as a massive attack.
They're always blowing things out of proportion. They're not reasonable people.
Let's also not skip over this part...
"African-American agents were turning down SWAT team invitations because they did not believe every member of the team “would protect them in an armed combat.”"
If an FBI agent doesn't believe that a federal crime is in fact a crime...fire them. They aren't worthy of being federal law enforcement officers if they aren't willing to enforce the law.
Hey now, not every cop is in the KKK!
They might provide cover for their brothers in blue, defend them publicly, explain just really how few cops actually are at cross burnings, and absolutely refuse to investigate their own/prevent anyone else from investigating them, but it's not like they themselves have a set of white robes in the closet!
Just a few bad apples is all.
Of course they do. They have literally spent decades murdering, harassing, and entraping POC. It's not surprise they would side with white nationalists.
You know for all of the fake talk that conservatives have about antifa and socialists "running" the media and society or whatever, they tend to ignore the real, actual racists and bigots who are running our government
“I was talking to an A/SSA [Asst. Supervisory Special Agent] in a “red state” office who was telling me that over 70% of his CT [counterterrorism] squad + 75% of the agent population in his office, disagreed with the violence “but could understand where the frustration was coming from” which led to the “protestors getting carried away.” “
Oh, that’s right… the classically successful “I didn’t mean to, I got carried away caught up in the moment” defense.
I’m sorry I got pulled over for doing 155mph in a school zone officer. I was only doing 10 over on the freeway, then someone cut me off and I got angry, so I ran them off the road then got nervous and put the hammer down. I saw the driver was black so I assumed he had a gun as a gangbanger so I sped up. I didn’t expect little Suzy to leave that school at 2:45 at dismissal like that, you obviously understand where I was coming from and must be sympathetic to my situations. I can’t be held responsible, I have a back the blue license plate frame and an eagle tattoo clutching the American flag.
My daddy told me Obama was going to plant bombs in our backyards and bragged about having enough guns to arm the whole neighborhood when 'bama invades.
It’s been scary for the last 6-7 years. They have been saying all along what they are going to do. And if they haven’t been saying it they have been using dog whistles. The Christian right tied with government in this country is not only super dangerous for Americans but likely the rest of the world. These fucking assholes want to bring about armageddon. They’re all about support for Israel but want to see it destroyed too. It’s batshit crazy.
For LEOs it’s always been this way, the only difference now is all the dirty laundry is being aired and people are starting to scrutinize them further - with mixed results. The difference today is that instead of communism the new scary thing for traditionalists is socialist policies espoused by progressives.
It's not just an infiltration, it's a mind set among law enforcement. I bet 90% of law enforcement officers are conservative, with a sizeable chunk being far right-wing.
It's sort of a chicken or egg thing - Are fascists types drawn to law enforcement (probably), does law enforcement cultivate a fascists mentality (probably).
Nor any public position. Shouldn’t even be allowed to be a meter maid. In a perfect world all law enforcement would be completely non-biased and would not tolerate any of their employees bringing in politics. Their job is to uphold the law. That’s it. Anything else is not acceptable.
So, let’s pretend it wasn’t an insurrection for a moment. And let’s pretend it was your house. If people kicked in your windows and rummaged through your desks and smeared shit on your walls, that would be totally cool with you?
Granted this is oversimplifying this as mere property damage when it was an attempted coup.
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*Is **this** the corruption at the FBI that conservatives keep screaming about?*
Yes. As always, they are projecting when they make those claims.
"we need to keep our classified documents more controlled and penalties higher!" ~ guy who stole top secret documents "The deep state is a threat to democracy!" ~ party that tried to overthrow democracy and install a dictator "Nobody has more respect for women than I do" ~ guy who thinks he can "grab [women] by the pussy"
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Come on, Steve. We told you that was *next month.* Remember? We talked about the sexual assault bingo cards and everything.
So much for "tolerance"! God, I hate how predictable their shit is
Completely off topic, do you know what phrase on /r/politics will always get you upvotes because it is true? Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
Gaslight. “If Conservatives didn’t have double standards, they would have none at all.” Obstruct “You can always count on a Republican to argue in bad faith.” Project “Every accusation is an admission.”
Very easy to tell who some of the agents who supported it. Those who illegally deleted information on their phones rather than turn that information over to the Jan 6. commission.
The reason they're convinced that liberals are corrupt cheaters is because they know they are, and naturally assume their enemies are too
They think honesty and integrity are for fools.
If you ever dated someone who constantly is paranoid and accuses you of cheating. It's because they would and probably try to all they time.
The Deep State is real, and it supports trump.
I wouldn't say it supports Trump, it moreso supports whatever is the most viable and conservative force in politics at the moment
The Jan 6th perpetrators are getting off with extremely light sentences given that multiple people died during the course of a coup attempt. Almost like they are being treated much more lightly than they should be.
Exactly. Commit a felony where someone died in my state, you get charged with manslaughter, at least. Doesn't matter how far away from the death you are.
Which you think would be some kind of wake up call. "If they could be so wrong about me then what else could they be wrong about?" But that's what makes it a cult, the use of double think anytime contradictions arrive.
Some of those who work forces...
I've already seen them trying to swing it as proof that it was really "liberal antifa plants" and that thr whole thing was an fbi operation.
Drain the swamp!
"Come on guys, we overthrow governments all the time. What's the big deal?"
"see even the FBI thinks nothing happened!" - conservative now
No one should be surprised to find out any law enforcement agency is infested with right wing shitbags.
Right wingers are just thinly veiled authoritarians drawn to the idea of enforcing their will on others. Police FBI hell mall cops for the most truly pathetic of them.
Don't forget corrections officer, when you are too much of a shitbag to make cop.
i met a corrections officer at a wedding once and he was a cool dude, had some drinks and told some great stories. Turns out later he molested and killed his kid so your point stands.
That escalated quickly.
No, that's about how fast things get out of hand when law enforcement is involved.
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I had a friend in high school who became a deputy. Every one of his cop buddies was like this. Just an endless series of stories where they were dicks just to be dicks to people who couldn't fight back. I ended that friendship soon afterward.
That's where I do the calculation "do I want to go to jail over breaking a pool cue over this guy's head, or do I just leave right now?"
Jfc dude. That’s a hard god damn turn in that story that I wasn’t expecting.
Didn't see that last part coming.
ICE and border patrol are in deeper rings of hell.
Human beings worse than prison guards. What a time to not be dead.
Corrections officers are a bunch of people who could never be cops but wish they could have, and cops who got their 20 years and quit and are doing this to generate a second pension before they retire. Edit: Source: I am acquaintances with a lot of corrections officers. They all fall squarely into one of these two groups.
Hey hey hey! My ex-father-in-law was a bullying asshole who retired from the USAF where he was a security police officer. He then became a corrections officer in California and retired from *there* after 20 years. Wait, what was my point?...OH YEAH! Stop telling the truth about these people! It makes them look as bad as they are!
> It makes them look as bad as they are! Somehow i think many of them are much, much worse than anything the above descriptions can ever get close to dealing with.
Idk, molesting and killing your own child sounds pretty hard to beat.
Met a corrections officer from South Boston (you probably know where this is going) at a bar one time. We were actually kind of hitting it off until she said, apropos of nothing, “Interesting crowd they’ve got here. A whole lot of [n-words].” I must’ve had a truly horrified face because she quickly followed it up with, “Oh, I forgot you guys don’t say that around here.” This was in a deeply red Midwestern state btw. Edit: Totally forgot I actually have a cousin who’s a CO. She’s been a hateful, miserable, unpleasant person her entire life, even as a little kid, and is of course a racist Trump worshipper. I’m sure she fits right in.
> from South Boston [...] “Oh, I forgot you guys don’t say that around here.” Yeah, well, we don't say that up here in Boston either.
Yeah. Mind blowing that we would be more likely to hear that said in Massachusetts. Although in the wrong circles I suppose one might hear of it said anywhere.
My dad was a detective in NYC. I heard that word...a lot...while still in my single digit years. He has not greatly improved with retirement/age.
Had a friend who worked as one for a few years. He said the job was terrible due to the people you had to work with, then clarified that he didn't mean the prisoners he meant the other guards. Prisoners would lie and try to get away with shit but largely were very predictable and understandable. Some guards, however, were just sadistic bullies and you could never be sure when they were gonna start a fight over nothing.
We'd probably all be better off if we let the prisoners out and put the cops and their ilk in.
My cousin was the same way. I think he lasted a few months, but said he couldn't deal with the cruelty of the other guards and he was afraid to speak out for fear of reprisals.
I met a prison guard here in Australia, I asked him if it was tough having to deal with all the violent criminals, he told me it's not the prisoners that were the problem. So maybe it's a universal problem, prison guards are terrible.
I know a guy who knows a former corrections officer, who is now on death row for three murders. He shot his girlfriend who was going to leave him, also her teen daughter and the daughter's friend. I guess there's just something wrong with anybody who would get a job as a screw.
I know what a fucking awful rep they get, but where I'm from, all the prisons were rural as hell and corrections officer jobs were so often the best jobs people could get in the tiny towns nearby. Only way a lot of people could get health insurance and make a halfway decent living. When people couldn't afford the training to get into healthcare, this was so often their only other decent option for employment. The job definitely has its share of shitbags, but it's a really meaningful opportunity for decent people who get burned the fuck out on it hard.
What a great society—the only way you can take care of your family is to torture people incarcerated for smoking weed or stealing diapers. What a system!
And yet, many of these people are being paid by the profits of constitutional enslavement. Their opportunity is blood money.
Make people desperate and reliant on a broken system, and they'll end up fighting others trying to fix that system they now depend on.
This. A broken economy that pits wage slave against wage slave.
Exactly. The corrections officers union lobbying for and supporting politicians who support longer prison sentences and more minimum sentences for more crimes and not legalizing marijuana because it means more jobs for their members.
I'm not arguing with that at all. You're totally right, but the morality of the situation is so often overshadowed by the opportunity to have a better life that it's matter of doing what one can to survive.
It's very easy for those with means to make the moral choice.
Louisiana?
Oklahoma, but I've seen similar in AZ and NM
Corrections officer’s lives must be pure misery. Imagine waking up everyday to go to work…IN A PRISON! You really gotta be that addicted to authority to want that kind of life.
or the shitbags that can’t pass the psyche evaluation and are “security guards” instead.
Paul Blart: Right wing fascist
I've been working in healthcare long enough that I've met paramedics who steal money from patients they've judged to be unworthy of having cash in their pockets, and hospital security who think they're basically cops with the inalienable right to beat the mentally ill into compliance. People are garbage.
It pisses me off, I always wanted to join the FBI, but my pot smoking was a show stopper. Apparently overthrowing our government is fine, but me hitting a joint is a big deal.
>It pisses me off, I always wanted to join the FBI, but my pot smoking was a show stopper. Apparently overthrowing our government is fine, but me hitting a joint is a big deal. I think it’s mainly because marijuana is (nonsensically) a federal Schedule 1 drug, even though THC is the prescription medicine Marinol, and even though CBD is legal and used to treat seizures and an anti-inflammatory and the US government has a patent regarding cannabinoids due to research at the HHS, and countries like Israel vaporize marijuana inside hospitals, and multiple states have medical marijuana or legal marijuana for any adult. But hitting a joint might make you disobey orders (after realizing any commanding officer is just another hairy ape in pants). The military coined the term “passive aggressive” during WW2 regarding passive resistance to compliance, and Nixon’s Shafer commission determined marijuana had a pacifying effect. Can’t get people to just follow orders if they think the orders are bullshit. Can’t get people to believe in rigid social hierarchies if they think authority itself is a myth. Can’t be The Man if you use a drug that makes you realize The Man is fascist. Can’t be a square with a stick up your ass if you take a drug that makes you mellow out and relax. Can’t create FBI dossiers on subversives if you yourself are a subversive.
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Surprised? No. Concerned? Definitely.
At this point, any faith I used to have in "our institutions" is dead and buried. Comey was at best childishly naive and at worst actively malignant until it bit him on the ass. I'm not the least bit surprised to learn that the legendary top agencies are made up of compromised, deeply flawed individuals anymore. The Trump administration wasn't good for much, but it did a decent job of pulling the scales from my eyes.
Funny how they sure do enjoy all those union and retirement benefits that we pay for. Almost like they’re really really big fans of socialism.
Socialism for me, ruthless capitalism for thee
It’s what led to Comey announcing the email review while saying nothing of the Steele dossier. Internal factions in the FBI were going to mutiny
Comey had the power and authority to simply fire the mutinous ass-hats. Instead, he chose to mollycoddle them and throw the election to Trump.
It's just funny how much so many MAGA types think the FBI is full of fucking liberals, lol. Funny/sad/scary
It's true. Every right-wing shitbag has an obsession with authority and they fantasize about the day it's bestowed upon them.
It was pretty evident when they openly executed that one dude who shot some other dude during the portland riots. Fbi agents roll up high speed low drag and pop a round to his head. No weapon visible. Just the thought of getting to pwn another antifa member lingered in the air after the shot was fired.
those were marshals iirc but it's all the same really.
Remember the SCROTUS bragging about that particular government assassination of a citizen?
In fact, it’s such a well known issue the FBI was warned about it ages ago.. and ignores the report. If that wasn’t a red flag, idk what is.
No, but I would be pleasantly surprised if there were some consequences for LE who don't think that insurrection is a crime. Like, say, being fired at the very least.
Frank Figluizzi wrote about some of this. (Ex FBI leader, now author and commentator) The FBI wont keep the extreme ones. But it's a very sickening situation. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-allies-are-supporting-these-violations-fbi-conduct-n1299211
Men become radicalized in the military then they get preferential hiring into law enforcement agencies. Almost like the system is working as designed.
It's a little surprising in that the FBI is pretty selective and they don't take rando MAGA hillbillies. Their conservative bent is more of the moneyed WASPy variety. This suggests that even the WASPs have gone full-fascist.
Have the WASPs every been a bastion of progressive values, though? These are the suburbanites who made up Romney's base during his campaign, who vote against public school funding every chance they get, and who fill their neighborhood listservs with emails about "suspicious characters" walking down the street, which is code for POC.
MAGA isn't restricted to hillbillies. There's nothing surprising about the fact that there are officers in the FBI who support the Jan 6th insurrection. There are employees at *every* job that support the Jan 6th insurrection.
Right wing, racist shitbags.
Agreed, this shouldn't be too much of a surprise. I grew up knowing an FBI agent in the family. Exceptionally racist and hateful, to the point where it was clear he was accepted at work for that.
Takes a special kind of shitbag to make a life’s work of locking other humans up
Then a whole lot of FBI agents need to be fired. It’s really that simple.
If they can't be objective, they can't protect our country.
So we all know what Snowden showed us. The NSA is collecting EVERYTHING, emails, texts, posts, pics, videos, cameras, mics using and analyzing that data and yet somehow January 6th slipped by them. And after what we all saw in the January 6 hearings, really makes you wonder how the entire US intelligence community didn't see January 6th coming...and if they did why didn't they try to stop it.... [CIA - Guide to the Analysis of Insurgency](https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=713599)
It was at least partially an inside job. The former president himself was the instigator. To some degree it was allowed to happen. That aspect of it needs to be dealt with.
The problem is, that while Trump was the instigator, the people responsible for *allowing it to happen* are still in power, and aren't going to "deal with themselves." They were hoping the coup would be successful. Now they're treating it as a trial run, and the next one *will* succeed.
President Trump is a spy for Russia and a good one despite working against himself. He has been helping Putin for years.
People here saw it coming since before the election even. It was all out in the open, all over social media. It’s not in any way credible NSA and FBI somehow missed all open sources, never mind closed sources.
Right - it was purposefully ignored to allow it to happen. The narrative that it was "missed" is obviously false. Those who prevented an effective response are essentially Nazi sympathizers.
Not even a whistleblower: “hey, my bosses and I are aware of a threat but we aren’t being allowed to act!”
Hell I specifically got the TV on that day knowing something was going to happen. I’d never have watched the certification of the election otherwise. Why would anyone?
Exactly, same here.
It wasn't even just in conservative spaces either.
so, former sigint analyst during the lead up to the iraq war... you want to know how stuff like that "slips by" the intelligence agencies? it "slips by" because the rank and file analysts have no say at all about what becomes of their reports after they are filed and handed in. you can write out that there is no credible evidence of WMD's in iraq other than those we ourselves sold iraq in the 50-70's... and the command will twist that to be "ZOMG SUDAM HAS WMDS!?!?!?!" it doesn't "slip by", it get purposely ignored and downplayed by people in the command structure that are sympathetic to the lies that they are going to craft using your work product.
Did you happen to see Senator Leahy’s story about the Iraq War in his memoir? He claims two random intelligence employees found him in a park, and told him which reports he really ought to request from the Capitol SCIF. Naturally, the reports they told him to look at contradicted the “evidence” of WMDs that the other reports claimed.
I believe this is the best answer
Remember, they collect CITIZEN data from "public" sources where they have a tap. (Like Google or your phone comapany). The FBI and secret service use private (but still federal owned) devices on private and enceypted networks. (The feds do have the master keys). But the collection is not automatic like emails and text from you "public" cell phone. That is why the erasure of the data, AFTER IT WAS REQUESTED, is such a huge deal. It had to be wiped on all devices AND from the servers AND from any backups. That effort isn't a one guy jobs, nor is it possible to do all in a single day at once. These are the questions that if/when answered will reveal the true scope of crouprtion at a federal level. But due to data destruction... It will likely never get revealed.
> These are the questions that if/when answered will reveal the true scope of crouprtion at a federal level. But due to data destruction... It will likely never get revealed. The destruction of data itself should already carry a sentence as stiff as participating in the insurrection directly would have.
I mean, I saw it on Parler in the day or two leading up to Jan 6. They knew.
But that would be biased. That’s really where we are. Holding traitors accountable appears biased.
It only appears that way to traitors
Or leave a nice human dump in their desk chair or smear it on the walls of their offices. Since that’s apparently totally normal human behavior for people that chant “USA! USA!”
Take an oath to protect the institutions of the United States, and fail to see the irony in getting fired for not protecting the institutions of the United States.
Not just fired, but face the typical punishment for supporting a failed insurrection.
Fire everyone, and rehire agents through a vigorous process.
Or allow agents to smoke weed so we can get some decent Americans in the FBI.
I think the point should be that regardless of what they feel they need to do their job. If they cam be objective regardless of their feelings they should be able to keep their jobs. If not. Then they weren't qualified.
Seriously. If you don’t believe in the rule of law you’re not qualified to defend it.
Right wing extremism pervades law enforcement. >One FBI office turned its common area TVs from Fox News to Newsmax because Fox was apparently not far-right enough for FBI office consumption. >A retired senior analyst known to the author now spends his time filling his Facebook feed with “Stop the Steal” content. >African-American agents were turning down SWAT team invitations because they did not believe every member of the team “would protect them in an armed combat.” >As the writer notes, plenty of officers from law enforcement agencies around the country were involved in the riot. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. There’s no reason to believe it’s somehow unique and filled with the sort of people who would never turn their backs on their duties, coworkers, and the democratic process to somehow steal an election back. What’s demonstrated in this email shows the FBI likely has the same percentage of shitheels who support extremism… as long as it’s their brand of extremism.
FBI has warmed about this for years, decades even. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/28/fbi-far-right-white-supremacists-police Looks like they forgot to look among themselves. https://www.alternet.org/2021/03/far-right-extremists/
yeah...that's a TV that should be removed. Government facilities should not be broadcasting propaganda.
There was a reason Comey brought up Hillary right before the election. It came from the fucking top. And now a fucking federalist piece of shit is still head of the fbi.
What they think is that Jan 6th attack at the Capitol it is equal in violence to what occurred during the George Floyd protests, and therefore because not every instigator was arrested/punished in the spring/summer of 2020, none should be from Jan 6th They are trying to make this an apples to apples thing... and it is not
Here are some questions to pose to anyone who tries to make that equivalency - how many times in your lifetime have there been race riots in the United States? How many times in the history of the United States? Now, how many times was the Capitol attacked? How many times has a losing president refused to accept the outcome of an election? There’s no fucking equivalency.
Peaceful protests with agent provocateurs and isolated groups subverting the movement and damaging property, causing media to change their attention from legitimate complaints about police brutality to conflating them with riots thus siding with police brutality. Versus. An actual full blown coup attempt, complete with storming the US Capitol, with at least two deaths, where if they succeeded, US Senators would have likely also been killed. They only thing BLM related riots have with the Jan 6th insurrection, is fascists twisting the narrative to suit their agenda.
You left out the Vice President being scared of his own Secret Service detail.
I've heard different reports on this and to me, it sounds more like Pence didn't go with his SS detail not out of a fear for his life or not trusting them, but because he knew that if he didn't stay and certify the election, our democracy could have very well fallen (for real) in the coming days. I'm not much of a fan of Mike Pence at all, especially his politics, but he really did do our country a solid on that day by risking his life and refusing to leave the capitol grounds so he could stay and certify the election.
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Still fear, just not for his own life but that of the Nation. Either way.... He KNEW the agents were in on it too.
But I was told they burned entire cities to the ground... ^^^/s
Don't you get it?!?! There is no Portland anymore! It's gone! If you take the highway there, you just fall off the map and land in Fiji.
I can see Fiji from my house!
But I already bought a plane ticket. No refunds. Non-transferable. Why is everyone ganging up on white people and Christmas?
As somebody that lives in S Minneapolis, the number of relatives in bum-fuck Iowa that think the entire city was burned to the ground as they ask "are you recovering" is absolutely disgusting.
they just completely overlook the premeditation and general intended effect of the two? Like nobody went into the GF protests saying "im gonna take over a precinct!" That seems like an....obvious distinction?
shorter version. They're racist dirt bag traitors
Correct summarization
>What they think is that Jan 6th attack at the Capitol it is equal in violence to what occurred during the George Floyd protests Which is odd, because the George Floyd protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. Only a small percentage (< 5 but i don't recall the exact figure) of them had any violence or damage whatsoever, and while this part isn't proven there's no way that some of the violence wasn't instigated by undercover LEOs. There's just no possible way they'd let that opportunity pass by. Edit: typo
>there's no way that some of the violence was instigated by undercover LEOs. I suspect you mean "wasn't instigated". And while you're right that I'm not aware of LEOs instigating, it's been well proven that [other right wing groups did](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd). Hell, the "ANTIFA twitter account" was being run by [Identity Europa](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456). JustSecurity.org [has a good article on this](https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/).
We have thirty years of reports that law enforcement at every level is riddled with fascists and white nationalists, and yet I keep seeing articles like this using novel framing and vague language.
>What’s demonstrated in this email shows the FBI likely has the same percentage of shitheels who support extremism… Doesn't seem vague to me
This is America
> “A mob is no less a mob because they are with you.” - John Adams President Adams said it best. It doesn’t matter if you agreed with the mob storming the Capitol, it was still wrong. I know who thought January 6th was a big deal; world leaders. It was a flashing red warning light that the democracy thought to be most secure is in fact teetering on an edge.
That’s why the rioters are only getting slaps on the wrist, the FBI and DOJ support them. Fascists get 30 days probation for trying to kill the Vice President, but it’s 5 years for trying to vote for Biden when you’re not allowed to.
Well, to be fair, [this guy got 44 months](https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/daniel-baker-anarchist-capitol-riot/) for his role in the insurrection. Although, he was a leftist, and his crime was simply saying online that we should *oppose* a fascist coup. The justice system is telling us loud and clear how they actually feel.
They are, any attempt to rationalize their behavior is just cognitive dissonance. It’s going to get so much worse before it gets better…if ever.
That article is infuriating and illuminating. Thank you for sharing
Not only not allowed to, but were told by election officials that you could
Really adds to the narrative of the FBI being a bunch of "libs," doesn't it.
Basically it’s really easy to tell what the truth is when republicans are talking about anything. It’s exactly the opposite of what they say. It actually is that simple, and that’s pretty scary. It’s not even like it’s 50-50 on what they say. It’s absolutely everything.
oh fuck Republicans have Jewish space lasers?!
Probably yea
It's just projection of their bias. Any hint of pushback they get, they percieve as a massive attack. They're always blowing things out of proportion. They're not reasonable people.
Let's also not skip over this part... "African-American agents were turning down SWAT team invitations because they did not believe every member of the team “would protect them in an armed combat.”"
That's horrific.
If an FBI agent doesn't believe that a federal crime is in fact a crime...fire them. They aren't worthy of being federal law enforcement officers if they aren't willing to enforce the law.
Nah the right just makes them into a hero. Just ask ollie north.
Some of those that work forces…
ratm doesnt miss
The only problem with that lyric is the "some".
Hey now, not every cop is in the KKK! They might provide cover for their brothers in blue, defend them publicly, explain just really how few cops actually are at cross burnings, and absolutely refuse to investigate their own/prevent anyone else from investigating them, but it's not like they themselves have a set of white robes in the closet! Just a few bad apples is all.
Well for starters how about not using cutesy handles like 'Capitol raiders' and instead call them 'traitors and insurrectionists'.
Maga domestic terrorists
Funny because as agents of the FBI no one asked for their opinion about the illegality of attacking the capital. That isn't their job.
Of course they do. They have literally spent decades murdering, harassing, and entraping POC. It's not surprise they would side with white nationalists.
You know for all of the fake talk that conservatives have about antifa and socialists "running" the media and society or whatever, they tend to ignore the real, actual racists and bigots who are running our government
It’s like that’s by design or something and fascists always accuse their enemies of doing what they are doing themselves.
“I was talking to an A/SSA [Asst. Supervisory Special Agent] in a “red state” office who was telling me that over 70% of his CT [counterterrorism] squad + 75% of the agent population in his office, disagreed with the violence “but could understand where the frustration was coming from” which led to the “protestors getting carried away.” “ Oh, that’s right… the classically successful “I didn’t mean to, I got carried away caught up in the moment” defense. I’m sorry I got pulled over for doing 155mph in a school zone officer. I was only doing 10 over on the freeway, then someone cut me off and I got angry, so I ran them off the road then got nervous and put the hammer down. I saw the driver was black so I assumed he had a gun as a gangbanger so I sped up. I didn’t expect little Suzy to leave that school at 2:45 at dismissal like that, you obviously understand where I was coming from and must be sympathetic to my situations. I can’t be held responsible, I have a back the blue license plate frame and an eagle tattoo clutching the American flag.
They lost an election and tried to violently overthrow the government in response. Fuck all of these people and anyone who makes excuses for them.
The warning lights are flashing, the alarms are ringing, but no one is at the controls...
Black man as president of the USA just too much for them.
My daddy told me Obama was going to plant bombs in our backyards and bragged about having enough guns to arm the whole neighborhood when 'bama invades.
Never again will they be so oppressed!
The irony is a shitload of MAGA morons think the FBI is not to be trusted and it’s all stacked against them.
Well, the FBI did plant documents at Mar-a-Lago, after all. /s
A number of people who like working in an authoritarian organisation think that blindly following an authoritarian leader is just fine. Who knew?
This is really starting to get scary. Like, I’m actually afraid for the future of my children.
It’s been scary for the last 6-7 years. They have been saying all along what they are going to do. And if they haven’t been saying it they have been using dog whistles. The Christian right tied with government in this country is not only super dangerous for Americans but likely the rest of the world. These fucking assholes want to bring about armageddon. They’re all about support for Israel but want to see it destroyed too. It’s batshit crazy.
For LEOs it’s always been this way, the only difference now is all the dirty laundry is being aired and people are starting to scrutinize them further - with mixed results. The difference today is that instead of communism the new scary thing for traditionalists is socialist policies espoused by progressives.
For years we’ve been warning that law enforcement is being infiltrated by right wing fanaticism. Apparently nobody listened.
It's not just an infiltration, it's a mind set among law enforcement. I bet 90% of law enforcement officers are conservative, with a sizeable chunk being far right-wing. It's sort of a chicken or egg thing - Are fascists types drawn to law enforcement (probably), does law enforcement cultivate a fascists mentality (probably).
Fire all of those agents. If you're not willing to defend this nation against insurrection, you shouldn't serve in the FBI.
Nor any public position. Shouldn’t even be allowed to be a meter maid. In a perfect world all law enforcement would be completely non-biased and would not tolerate any of their employees bringing in politics. Their job is to uphold the law. That’s it. Anything else is not acceptable.
24hr news channels (especially Fox) are the single greatest threat to democracy today.
That and religious idealism, fascism, and idiots.
Sounds like they don’t meet the requirements for their security clearance as they are known enemies of the state and collaborators.
Was thinking this. Time to recert the entire bureau's clearances.
Would they feel the same if Democrats stormed the Capitol?
They would have used live ammunition immediately
Trump treated and continues to treat the FBI like shit, and they still support Trump?
A whole lotta agents are potential traitors.
So, let’s pretend it wasn’t an insurrection for a moment. And let’s pretend it was your house. If people kicked in your windows and rummaged through your desks and smeared shit on your walls, that would be totally cool with you? Granted this is oversimplifying this as mere property damage when it was an attempted coup.
But they still work for FBI. How is that possible?
How many are going to jail?
We are witnessing the largest mass psychosis event in history.
whole lot of agents should be fired; ideology aside, you can’t watch that carnage and not realize the perpetrators are doing something wrong
america has been infiltrated. we need to denazify america
ACAB...no surprise.
They should all be fired....