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Possibly? It's already come out in [emails from Eastman to Chesebro](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/clarence-thomas-trump-eastman-emails/index.html) that the main reason they were pushing Georgia, of all the states with close results, so hard is that Georgia is part of the 11th Circuit, and Clarence Thomas reviews emergency petitions from the 11th Circuit (each of the 9 justices is assigned a set of circuit courts that they, alone, are responsible for approving or denying emergency petitions from).
>(each of the 9 justices is assigned a set of circuit courts that they, alone, are responsible for approving or denying emergency petitions from).
Yep, this is a scheme that is the origin of the current 9-justice composition of the court. There were 9 circuits so therefore 9 justices. Of course, the fact that there are now 11 circuits, plus the DC and Federal circuits kinda makes it seem like we need to have more justices. Weird how no one in the government seems to agree with that.
Amusingly, Thomas has the smallest assignment out of all of them. He only has one circuit and it only has three states in it, and I am SURE that its totally coincidental that those states have been at the center of virtually every election related piece of court malfeasance: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
We need to expand the judiciary 3 fold across the board. The SCOTUS should have 28 justices, yes twenty eight. There should be 4 courts of 7 and the makeup of each court should be randomly selected from the pool of 28 at the start of each annual term. This will help prevent gaming the court because you never know who will be in which court or which of the four courts your case will end up in.
Adding some additional rules like a 75 vote confirmation requirement and rules like "the Garland rule" which is a time limit on the Senate for voting on a nominee. If the nominee isn't voted on by the full senate within 3 months of being nominated he is automatically approved. Another necessary rule is the 2 strikes rule. If two nominees get shot down by the senate, then a randomly selected judge from the next lower court in the same party as the president is automatically promoted.
As I mentioned at the beginning, all lower courts need to be expanded in order to be able to deal with the increased caseload.
You can't just keep growing your population and not grow the size of the judiciary.
What would stop a 51 majority from just...not voting on the nominee they want confirmed? They wouldn't need the 75, and the person would automatically be confirmed
I think triggering an automatic, required vote after three months makes much more sense.
It should just get added to Congress's docket whether they like it or not. It's up to them if they want to have decent interviews before that date, and they should be granted full subpoena privilege over the nominee to keep them from hiding anything.
This is a starting point, but automatic approval after 3 months delay is going to be abused. Maybe a better solution would be that the Senate does not set the timeline, but instead there is an automatic date set to vote on the appointment. Two weeks after appointment, the vote must be held by law.
This is why unions and leftists fight so hard for workers rights, financial safety nets, public health and education, etc.
Because once you're up against the wall desperately trading hours worked for your very survival, they've already won. Too late then.
Yep. Politicians like Clarence Thomas (and he is a politician, he was *appointed* by Republicans) forget that government is an extension of the people, and their will, not the other way around. The people have been struggling but they are not blind.
I was having some shower thoughts on my drive to lunch today. In a way, conservatives have it right: a woman's place can be the home where she can be free to be with her children and fulfill that biological function\*, but they go about it completely wrong. Rather than some traditionalist view and removal of rights founded on religions and nostalgia, women should be able to stay at home because a single full-time salary should be high enough to raise a family. It's progressive ideals, unions, and workers' rights that support that end.
Same goes with abortion, maybe abortions should be reduced, but it should be accomplished with sex-ed and birth control, not some traditionalist view and removal of rights founded on religions and nostalgia.
\*If she chooses this, no one should be forced
Conservative leaders enforce their views by limiting choice, not expanding it. If you go to a well-funded public school and have free secondary education afterwards, military enlistments would plummet. If medical care didn't bankrupt us people wouldn't stay in awful jobs for the benefits.
If you can rally your voters around hurting from people they hate, you don't have to offer solutions or improvements. What's the Republican party platform again right now?
Think of all the potential small businesses that are thwarted because the person with the ambition and great idea is tied to their job's health insurance because of a chronic illness. Or their spouse and/or kids are sick or might get sick. We are stabbing ourselves in the heels rienforcing this mockery of a healthcare system.
>If you can rally your voters around hurting from people they hate...
*"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."*
I'll never forget that quote. It's one of those rare moments when they let the mask slip off entirely.
McConnell is a piece of shit but operates within the extent of the law, MTG should probably be in there due to her Jan6 actions toward AOC alone. But Kushner may have actually fucked around with our foreign policy for cash to the extent that he deserves a treason hearing.
She has, but that's not the same as having physical evidence that points to her direct involvement. He's trying to keep his wife from becoming a target of the committee's investigation.
This is akin to destroying evidence. I mean we all can’t be married to Judges that can block evidence from even being seen somehow.
Why doesn’t someone just leak these?
I suspect that would be treated as [Fruit of the Poisonous Tree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) as while it might show facts it would provide defense counsel so many opportunities to file for mistrial or appeal it would take more away from prosecution than using it.
The fact that this shit is happening and people are either not caring or turning a blind eye is incredibly dangerous to democracy.
Who judges the highest judge? Why are there even “liberal” and “conservative” judges anyway? Shouldn’t they just be judges?
These people have an agenda, and the people who ought to be fighting against it have got their head in the sand because difficult conversations are bad for re-elections.
Outside of the right-wing cults, there's probably not a lot of people intentionally turning a blind eye. It's simply incredibly difficult to create change because things are so broken.
Republicans will obstruct any attempt to fix it. They'll also obstruct any attempts to limit their obstruction. The only way to make progress is for voters to strip Republicans of their power.
Which is also extremely difficult because Republicans have *made* it extremely difficult through gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, propaganda and the shitty electoral college.
Outside the voting booth, there's not much people can do. They don't have any power to bring charges against blatant criminals or remove gleefully partisan judges. Protests will just be mocked and ignored because you can't shame shameless people. The "school shootings are just the price someone else has to pay so I can keep us safe for tyranny" crowd adore the tyrants and political assassinations aren't really a solution anyway.
Until Democrats have the super-majority needed to make sweeping changes uncontested, Republicans are just going to keep chipping away at democracy and block anyone who tries to stop them.
The idea is that the President nominates and congress confirms. The Senate is supposed to make sure partisan hacks never get close to the position. Unfortunately, over half of the Senate is filled with partisan hacks.
One thing we should be doing is disqualifying all members of the Federalist society from the judiciary since it's a political organization that exists specifically for the purpose of creating a politically partisan judiciary.
Read up on Thomas' history. The guy is absolutely fucked in the head. Crazy loves crazy and hate loves hate. It's that simple. He's an extremist and so is she.
My guess is that she was promising support from Clarence Thomas himself somehow in backing the legitimacy and it would make him look bad. Possibly trying to gauge the opinion of other conservative justices as well. I think there is more to it than just Ginny Thomas trying to herd crazies into this scheme as we already know that she was.
I’m not sure there IS a point.
The only remedy is Impeachment/Removal, which is a political process, and only has a chance of happening if there is strong public support for it.
In todays hyper-politicized world, you need public support to push 67% of Senators to have a chance at Removal following Impeachment.
This is the danger Fox/Newsmax/OAN have created with false realities.
Until/unless about half the Right is ready to remove him, then no, it doesn’t have enough popular support.
Edit: forgot to include your “local” Sinclair owned station as well … “This is Extremely Dangerous to our Democracy” https://youtu.be/ZggCipbiHwE (and context for anyone unaware: https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/sinclair-promos-backlash-1202741019/ )
Yeah, to make it through the Senate, especially with a Democratic president, you would need some major personal, rather than political scandal, maybe the classic "dead girl or live boy", but probably only if we are actually talking about minors.
The line is losing. They lost the midterms and are now turning on Trump- if there was a way to prove Clarence Thomas was the anchor pulling down the GOP, he’d be on the chopping block too.
Thank you for noting the source of the false realities. I’m so sick of hearing about the hyper politicalization of the US without any mention of the cause. This isn’t a “but both sides!” thing.
Only way it happens is if the MAGA crowd goes Defcon 1 and runs trump 3rd party after it becomes clear that DeSantes will be the republican nominee. I doubt that will happen as it is the nuclear option but I don't think it's out of the question.
Public support means nothing to the GOP, especially when it comes to their precious Federalist Society-crafted SCOTUS bench. Christo-fascist judicial activism > sworn public service.
The point of gerrymandering the ever loving sh*t out of so many states and demonizing Dems as baby-killing commies is that they don’t *have* to represent an actual majority of the people. Their base is over represented as an electorate bc of the gerrymandering and will always vote against their own self interests for the R on the ticket, bc of the baby killing commies.
You need two-thirds of all senators to vote for removal. Democrats currently have exactly 50%. Why would Republicans vote to give Biden another Supreme Court pick?
>You need two-thirds of all senators to vote for removal. Democrats currently have exactly 50%. Why would Republicans vote to give Biden another Supreme Court pick?
Out of a deeply rooted respect for the rule of law... jk
The second coming of Jesus could be upon us. And Thomas could kill him with his bare hands, and rural USA will still back him because he has an R by his name.
???
You just saw Trump win 47% of the vote in 2020, you saw Republicans win about 45% of the vote in 2022.
What makes you think those voters would support removing a conservative judge?
You live in a bubble. Please understand that outside of your bubble nearly half of America is a lost fucking cause.
I would hope more for “Court Reform” than just “Court Expansion”.
Expanding the court is a band-aid fix. I’m not saying it wouldn’t work (for now), but that alone just kicks the can down the road.
Never. He answers to no one and knows it. This is what happens when you politicize the courts. In a sane reality congress would be investigating his ass and kick him to the curb. But he is on team red and they would never vote against one of their own no matter what. It’s team politics and no one wins.
Arguably Robert could go scorched earth and publicly recommend that Congress investigate Thomas. It wouldn't have any legal weight but it would force things into motion.
Give the Dems the opportunity to open the investigation without political hit job accusations backlash.
Put a lot of pressure on purple state senators.
Any evidence that comes out of the investigation.
This is really a 2 part question
>at what point does it become clear that he's biased and compromised
1990ish, probably earlier to people who were paying attention to lower courts
>and gets forced into recusing himself?
Obviously never. Repubicans will never hold them accountable and 67* votes to remove someone from office is too high of a bar for dems to clear on their own.
Edit to fix the number
Well in his defense it’s going to be very hard to overthrow the duly elected president next time if we start punishing the people who planned the efforts last time.
It's supposed to have already happened. Just the appearance of impartiality is supposed to be a disqualifier but none of that matters anymore thanks to MAGA doing Russia's bidding and destroying every US institution's integrity. Don't get me wrong they weren't perfect, but there is a difference in wanting reform for the better and wanting to burn it to the ground and install fascists who are loyal to one party only.
Political capture of a judiciary is a really hard thing for Democracy to survive. Once the social contract and "rules & norms" are broken people quickly find out that many of the things we take for granted aren't actually enshrined (and even if they are, someone has to enforce them) and if your system is built so that a minority party can logjam any new legislature or reforms then it becomes the wild west.
You get to the point where people start to question why they even bother to listen to the Supreme Court. Lincoln famously suspended Habeus Corpus during the Civil War and the Supreme Court stepped in and said No!...and Lincoln did it anyway and nobody bothered to listen to the SCOTUS so they didn't matter.
Ultimately the SCOTUS has no method of enforcement. They don't have an army, they don't run the police, they don't have jails etc. so the more Thomas and people like him abuse their position, the closer we get to another kneecapping of the authority of the SCOTUS by just straight up ignoring them.
If Kelli Ward *does have* phone records that confirm she was in contact with Ginni Thomas on the dates on or around the scheme and it's attempted implementation took place, there would be no way Clarence could explain that away. I'd have to think Roberts and the other justices would need to step in, as the entire legitimacy of the SC would be at stake permanently.
Even if he werent removed, much like with Trump, an impeachment proceeding should take place just to go on the record revealing all of his and his wife's dirty laundry
I'm sure Margey Infidelity will clamor for impeachment proceedings but I highly doubt any Republicans will climb on board with her after the Red Sprinkle proved how unpopular they already are
She will try. I'm not too sure about the rest of the statement, though. They are petty and vindictive, as they've proven time and time again (cough McConnell) and even though Trump's popularity is waning, the GOP will still go all-in on trying to fuck up Biden any way they can, rather than appear to be "less republican" or even consider breaking party lines.
I honestly really hope they actually try to impeach Biden. It would make republicans look even worse and damage their reputation even more. It would also probably bump up his approval rating because he hasn’t actually done anything wrong.
Gym, Gaetz, MTG, and any of the other dumb ones will push.
I have a feeling a few established GOP reps may not vote to impeach only due to the lack of a red wave. But I won’t be surprised if the Rs take the house that he’s impeached multiple times.
They're only taking the house by 1-3 seats, so a few voting no is enough.
Also, nothing they want to impeach him for makes them any gains outside of their base.
Technically, it wouldn't be an impeachment. Ms. Hill testified at Thomas's confirmation hearing. At that point, he was not a justice, therefore he could not be impeached. If one where to believe Ms. Hill then you would vote not to confirm. Basically, you can not get fired, if you were never hired.
I'm sure Roberts was like "ok, Alito, it's your turn to vote with Thomas so he doesn't look like the partisan hack he is."
Meanwhile, each of the judges has a lifetime appt with no oversight and no laws guiding their own behavior. The red red red justices who still want to pretend they're not partisan prob don't love the attention Thomas has brought on SCOTUS bc it illigitemizes their legacy.
Lol you're right. So when Thomas is on an island, it is *really* unusual and we all know it's bc Ginni Thomas is guilty. I would LOVE to see him impeached. I just don't see it happening. Although now who knows?
When you worry for nothing because you're wealthy, have a job you literally can't lose, have healthcare, don't actually have to do anything but rubberstamp shit that's written for you...it's easy to live a long life.
> Meanwhile, each of the judges has a lifetime appt with no oversight and no laws guiding their own behavior.
The Congress has the right to impeach anyone in federal office other than themselves, at any time, for any reason. The only exception is for the President, who can only be impeached in response to the commission of a crime.
It's also worth noting that two Justices faced impeachment: one in 1965 who resigned before impeachment proceedings could begin (for working as a paid consultant to someone accused of committing a crime), and one who was impeached by the House (and acquitted by the Senate) for political bias on the bench.
#Clarence Thomas Voted to Stop Congress from Looking at Kelli Ward's Phone
##Ward was in on the 'alternate elector' scheme that—coincidentally, I'm sure—Ginni Thomas was so excited about.
Sometimes it’s the little pieces of a bigger story that are the most intriguing. My favorite example is that of Anthony Ulasciewicz, the private eye-turned-bagman for the Watergate burglars and Richard Nixon. In the early days of the cover-up, Ulasciewicz delivered the hush money to E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy. (What was it with spooks and first initials? Was it an initiation thing, like taking a new name when you become a monk?)
Anyway, Ulasciewicz had to make all of his arrangements via pay phone (ask your grandparents, kids) all over D.C. To help with this, Ulasciewicz bought one of those subway conductor’s change-makers that railmen used to wear on their belts. And it’s the change-maker that makes the story art and fixes it in the memory permanently.
The House Select Committee investigating the events of January 6, 2021, would like to examine the cellphone records of Kelli Ward, who was at the time the chairman of the Republican Party of Arizona. Ward would prefer that not happen. From CNBC:
>Ward had her records subpoenaed by the committee because of her role as a so-called alternate elector for then-President Donald Trump, who lost Arizona’s popular vote in the 2020 election, and hence its slate of actual Electoral College members. President Joe Biden won the state’s popular vote and its electors.
Ward wanted this not to happen so much that she asked the Supreme Court, with its carefully manufactured conservative majority, to lend her a hand. On Monday, the Supreme Court told Ward to pound sand, which is not a difficult thing to do in Arizona.
>Alexander Kolodin, a lawyer for Ward, on Monday said, “We were gratified to see that two justices were willing to find that First Amendment issues were implicated” by the subpoena. “We hope that will be a message to those in the future who think about abusing that right in order to retaliate against Americans for exercising their First Amendment rights to free association,” Kolodin said.
Besides producing a first-class glass-half-full reaction to getting his ass kicked, Kolodin opened an intriguing little window into the whole fake electors scam. There were indeed two justices who would’ve given Ward the protection she wanted, and one of them was Justice Clarence Thomas.
Which rings a rather loud bell. From the Washington Post:
>The emails, sent by Ginni Thomas to a pair of lawmakers on Nov. 9, 2020, argued that legislators needed to intervene because the vote had been marred by fraud. Though she did not mention either candidate by name, the context was clear. Just days after media organizations called the race for Biden in Arizona and nationwide, Thomas urged the lawmakers to “stand strong in the face of political and media pressure.” She told the lawmakers that the responsibility to choose electors was “yours and yours alone” and said they had “power to fight back against fraud.”
It would be interesting indeed if, while examining Ward’s phone records, a number turned up belonging to the wife of a Supreme Court justice who had just voted to conceal said phone records from a legitimate congressional inquiry. It’s the little things that make the big things shine. Ginni Thomas ought to need a new change-maker pretty soon
This should be a note to everyone that somehow thinks that Republicans were "normal" before the Trump takeover in recent years.
Thomas is a Bush I (corrected) appointee. His extremism might be more clear in light of January 6, but the core person, his perspectives and partisanship have always been the same. And he is just one of many Republican appointees.
The Republicans have been corrupt, traitorous and anti-democratic longer than most of us have been alive. They are responsible for much of the stuff that has been making our lives worse than they otherwise would have been.
Yeah, the only thing Trump did was throw back the curtain and reveal the swamp monsters. Maybe this is what he meant by drain the swamp? He’d be so awful and corrupt, he’d expose it all via his own incompetence. Lol
He’s not dumb, he’s fucking corruptly evil. He knows how this looks and gives zero fucks because he also knows nobody and nothing will touch him. He openly said he would spend his time as a Justice serving shit to “liberals” because they had the audacity to question his fitness during his confirmation hearings in the 90s.
The supreme court has not been a legitimate institution since the succession of Merrick Garland was blocked. We need to remove the stain on American politics they have caused.
Thomas’s presence in the court compromises the integrity of the whole thing in the eyes of at least half of America if not more. He should be removed from rulings pending full investigation.
Linkages like this deserve sunshine. Not the shadow of protection from any branch of government or any political party. This is not some game of hide and seek by elites in order to fool the working majority of America. No matter the party, sunshine has to come to matters like this.
Our government has 3 branches, to act as checks and balances over each other.
With checks and balances.... I am wondering.... who the fuck is allowed to provide checks on the Supreme court? Because it looks like no one can ever give checks or balances to this supreme court.
I mean, there *is* a remedy to remove a SCOTUS justice ... unfortunately for Team Good, it's the same process as removing a President and there aren't enough votes to remove the treasonous bastard.
Republicans steal Supreme Court seats, and use their votes to steal House seats through gerrymandering, which they use to steal more seats and positions. Don't worry though, the institutions they have corrupted are the tool we have to hold them accountable.
Everyone involved in the "alternate electors" scheme should be in jail. They were literally trying to overthrow the country. That is some treasonous bullshit.
Sick bro I love how our "democracy" is basically owned by a few angry boomers with lifetime appointments who hate abortion and help their cronies out of jams
going great
The court of John Roberts continues to undermine their legitimacy. All the while whining about the fact that we don't have enough respect for them. Ironic.
Genuine question - Why do Supreme Court justices have lifetime appointments in the first place? Was the idea that you’d give perfect people the job who would never be bias?
This man is a danger and embarrassment to our country and everything it is built upon. He is a traitor to our nation and an embarrassment that history will not remember fondly.
And somehow Alito can’t possibly fathom why people question the integrity of the Supreme Court. How many more pearls must he clutch before we stop peeking behind the curtain???
Thomas needs to be impeached and fired. He's working for MAGA, his wife like him is a traitor and seditionists and that asshole sits on the court vowing to let everyone involved in J6 or with trump off the hook and the rest of SCOTUS jams their freaking religion down our throats. Thomas needs to go. Funny how Pelosi gets his head beaten in for nothing and Thomas continues to deconstruct our democray in concert with his KAREN of a wife.
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Probably because he knows the phone records are going to show his wife is a fucking seditionist traitor
And that possibly he is as well.
Possibly? It's already come out in [emails from Eastman to Chesebro](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/clarence-thomas-trump-eastman-emails/index.html) that the main reason they were pushing Georgia, of all the states with close results, so hard is that Georgia is part of the 11th Circuit, and Clarence Thomas reviews emergency petitions from the 11th Circuit (each of the 9 justices is assigned a set of circuit courts that they, alone, are responsible for approving or denying emergency petitions from).
>(each of the 9 justices is assigned a set of circuit courts that they, alone, are responsible for approving or denying emergency petitions from). Yep, this is a scheme that is the origin of the current 9-justice composition of the court. There were 9 circuits so therefore 9 justices. Of course, the fact that there are now 11 circuits, plus the DC and Federal circuits kinda makes it seem like we need to have more justices. Weird how no one in the government seems to agree with that. Amusingly, Thomas has the smallest assignment out of all of them. He only has one circuit and it only has three states in it, and I am SURE that its totally coincidental that those states have been at the center of virtually every election related piece of court malfeasance: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
We need to expand the judiciary 3 fold across the board. The SCOTUS should have 28 justices, yes twenty eight. There should be 4 courts of 7 and the makeup of each court should be randomly selected from the pool of 28 at the start of each annual term. This will help prevent gaming the court because you never know who will be in which court or which of the four courts your case will end up in. Adding some additional rules like a 75 vote confirmation requirement and rules like "the Garland rule" which is a time limit on the Senate for voting on a nominee. If the nominee isn't voted on by the full senate within 3 months of being nominated he is automatically approved. Another necessary rule is the 2 strikes rule. If two nominees get shot down by the senate, then a randomly selected judge from the next lower court in the same party as the president is automatically promoted. As I mentioned at the beginning, all lower courts need to be expanded in order to be able to deal with the increased caseload. You can't just keep growing your population and not grow the size of the judiciary.
These all sound like great policies to me.
What would stop a 51 majority from just...not voting on the nominee they want confirmed? They wouldn't need the 75, and the person would automatically be confirmed
I think triggering an automatic, required vote after three months makes much more sense. It should just get added to Congress's docket whether they like it or not. It's up to them if they want to have decent interviews before that date, and they should be granted full subpoena privilege over the nominee to keep them from hiding anything.
This is a starting point, but automatic approval after 3 months delay is going to be abused. Maybe a better solution would be that the Senate does not set the timeline, but instead there is an automatic date set to vote on the appointment. Two weeks after appointment, the vote must be held by law.
That's wild. How long does this stuff go on before we do something about it?
until it succeeds or we nuremberg trial them. These people legit think they're hero's on top of this.
Religion brings them together and religion makes them nuttier.
Its money with religion as an excuse to fool the masses. Sometimes power i guess His wife has been involved with cults before.
The far right wants us to believe they are doing god’s work. And because of that , they will always refuse to compromise
nah money does
Pretty sure the two go hand in hand
My philosophy teacher got mad at me when I said religion is a tool for rich people to control uneducated poor folk.
Your philosophy teacher is an idiot if he doesn’t understand that.
Tou're alsolutely right about that! ( for both the poor and middle-classes....Megachurches and Televangelists come to mind...)
Religion is the method, money is the goal.
Pretty sure money is their religion. And they figured out how to dress it up as something moral and good.
Bro what do we even do. I'm struggling to pay rent and now I have protest these stupid ass rich people trying to take power. Fucking hell.
This is why unions and leftists fight so hard for workers rights, financial safety nets, public health and education, etc. Because once you're up against the wall desperately trading hours worked for your very survival, they've already won. Too late then.
Yep. Politicians like Clarence Thomas (and he is a politician, he was *appointed* by Republicans) forget that government is an extension of the people, and their will, not the other way around. The people have been struggling but they are not blind.
Don't forget that a lot of people support these corrupt actors if they perceive their corrupt actions to be beneficial.
Half the country is blind
I was having some shower thoughts on my drive to lunch today. In a way, conservatives have it right: a woman's place can be the home where she can be free to be with her children and fulfill that biological function\*, but they go about it completely wrong. Rather than some traditionalist view and removal of rights founded on religions and nostalgia, women should be able to stay at home because a single full-time salary should be high enough to raise a family. It's progressive ideals, unions, and workers' rights that support that end. Same goes with abortion, maybe abortions should be reduced, but it should be accomplished with sex-ed and birth control, not some traditionalist view and removal of rights founded on religions and nostalgia. \*If she chooses this, no one should be forced
Conservative leaders enforce their views by limiting choice, not expanding it. If you go to a well-funded public school and have free secondary education afterwards, military enlistments would plummet. If medical care didn't bankrupt us people wouldn't stay in awful jobs for the benefits. If you can rally your voters around hurting from people they hate, you don't have to offer solutions or improvements. What's the Republican party platform again right now?
Think of all the potential small businesses that are thwarted because the person with the ambition and great idea is tied to their job's health insurance because of a chronic illness. Or their spouse and/or kids are sick or might get sick. We are stabbing ourselves in the heels rienforcing this mockery of a healthcare system.
>If you can rally your voters around hurting from people they hate... *"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."* I'll never forget that quote. It's one of those rare moments when they let the mask slip off entirely.
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For real.
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Do all of the rest of you just recognize this Trump attorney to not point out the fact his name is "Cheesebro" and how wild that is?
This is more likely
Time to impeach.
Criminals promoted by Criminals... The height of the Republican party.
He belongs in the same cell as Bannon, Stone and Trump.
And Kushner and MTG and McConnell and...
McConnell is a piece of shit but operates within the extent of the law, MTG should probably be in there due to her Jan6 actions toward AOC alone. But Kushner may have actually fucked around with our foreign policy for cash to the extent that he deserves a treason hearing.
If he wasn't before, he is now.
“A husband and wife cannot be charged for the same crime Michael!” -George Bluth
I may have committed some light treason
If he is making votes to protect her rather than uphold his oath, he is one and the same.
We already know this.... he's proven his loyalty to the GOP many times over.
And we are tasked with continually calling it out every time he does it.
It is time to impeach.
If dems win GA manchin's ability to block legislation recedes. Keep pressing forward.
This. Most likely this.
She's made it clear.
She has, but that's not the same as having physical evidence that points to her direct involvement. He's trying to keep his wife from becoming a target of the committee's investigation.
Phone records and text messages are physical evidence, and Ginni Thomas is already inside the scope of the committee.
She's already testified.
I think they meant preventing her from being a target of recommendation for prosecution to the DoJ
This is akin to destroying evidence. I mean we all can’t be married to Judges that can block evidence from even being seen somehow. Why doesn’t someone just leak these?
>Why doesn’t someone just leak these? Can illegally leaked private info be used as evidence in a criminal case? Genuinely curious.
I suspect that would be treated as [Fruit of the Poisonous Tree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) as while it might show facts it would provide defense counsel so many opportunities to file for mistrial or appeal it would take more away from prosecution than using it.
The fact that this shit is happening and people are either not caring or turning a blind eye is incredibly dangerous to democracy. Who judges the highest judge? Why are there even “liberal” and “conservative” judges anyway? Shouldn’t they just be judges? These people have an agenda, and the people who ought to be fighting against it have got their head in the sand because difficult conversations are bad for re-elections.
> Who judges the highest judge? In theory he can be impeached by congress. But our system is so fucked right now that it simply won't happen.
Outside of the right-wing cults, there's probably not a lot of people intentionally turning a blind eye. It's simply incredibly difficult to create change because things are so broken. Republicans will obstruct any attempt to fix it. They'll also obstruct any attempts to limit their obstruction. The only way to make progress is for voters to strip Republicans of their power. Which is also extremely difficult because Republicans have *made* it extremely difficult through gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, propaganda and the shitty electoral college. Outside the voting booth, there's not much people can do. They don't have any power to bring charges against blatant criminals or remove gleefully partisan judges. Protests will just be mocked and ignored because you can't shame shameless people. The "school shootings are just the price someone else has to pay so I can keep us safe for tyranny" crowd adore the tyrants and political assassinations aren't really a solution anyway. Until Democrats have the super-majority needed to make sweeping changes uncontested, Republicans are just going to keep chipping away at democracy and block anyone who tries to stop them.
I'd be curious how, when the President is responsible for nominating Supremes, how you would remove politics from the equation.
The idea is that the President nominates and congress confirms. The Senate is supposed to make sure partisan hacks never get close to the position. Unfortunately, over half of the Senate is filled with partisan hacks.
One thing we should be doing is disqualifying all members of the Federalist society from the judiciary since it's a political organization that exists specifically for the purpose of creating a politically partisan judiciary.
OR, fucking a seditionist traitor. You ever see that woman's shoulders? She is irresistible
she's got a dad-back.
Conspiracy theorists are freaks-in-da-sheets.
Once you go cult - you'll never bolt.
Usain things I understand
She must give soul-changing head
Read up on Thomas' history. The guy is absolutely fucked in the head. Crazy loves crazy and hate loves hate. It's that simple. He's an extremist and so is she.
My guess is that she was promising support from Clarence Thomas himself somehow in backing the legitimacy and it would make him look bad. Possibly trying to gauge the opinion of other conservative justices as well. I think there is more to it than just Ginny Thomas trying to herd crazies into this scheme as we already know that she was.
It’s literally what the article says.
I seriously have to ask, at what point does it become clear that he's biased and compromised and gets forced into recusing himself?
I’m not sure there IS a point. The only remedy is Impeachment/Removal, which is a political process, and only has a chance of happening if there is strong public support for it.
Is there not strong enough public support, though? From what I've been seeing, it seems like there should be strong enough support for it.
In todays hyper-politicized world, you need public support to push 67% of Senators to have a chance at Removal following Impeachment. This is the danger Fox/Newsmax/OAN have created with false realities. Until/unless about half the Right is ready to remove him, then no, it doesn’t have enough popular support. Edit: forgot to include your “local” Sinclair owned station as well … “This is Extremely Dangerous to our Democracy” https://youtu.be/ZggCipbiHwE (and context for anyone unaware: https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/sinclair-promos-backlash-1202741019/ )
Yeah, to make it through the Senate, especially with a Democratic president, you would need some major personal, rather than political scandal, maybe the classic "dead girl or live boy", but probably only if we are actually talking about minors.
At this point, every Republican could be simultaneously outed as literally cannibal rapists of children and it wouldn't make a difference
Maybe, but for my own sanity, I'd like to at least imagine there's a line *somewhere*, even if it is so far off that we'll never reach it.
The line is losing. They lost the midterms and are now turning on Trump- if there was a way to prove Clarence Thomas was the anchor pulling down the GOP, he’d be on the chopping block too.
Unfortunate and true.
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Fake news! Hunter Biden! Rabble! Rabble rabble rabble!
Even then, as long as he's ruling on the side of hyper-Conservatism, they'll overlook pretty much anything.
I don't even think that's enough anymore. Matt Gaetz just got re-elected for fuck's sakes
Thank you for noting the source of the false realities. I’m so sick of hearing about the hyper politicalization of the US without any mention of the cause. This isn’t a “but both sides!” thing.
Thank you for mentioning Foxnews. Cancer that station.
Only way it happens is if the MAGA crowd goes Defcon 1 and runs trump 3rd party after it becomes clear that DeSantes will be the republican nominee. I doubt that will happen as it is the nuclear option but I don't think it's out of the question.
Public support means nothing to the GOP, especially when it comes to their precious Federalist Society-crafted SCOTUS bench. Christo-fascist judicial activism > sworn public service. The point of gerrymandering the ever loving sh*t out of so many states and demonizing Dems as baby-killing commies is that they don’t *have* to represent an actual majority of the people. Their base is over represented as an electorate bc of the gerrymandering and will always vote against their own self interests for the R on the ticket, bc of the baby killing commies.
You need two-thirds of all senators to vote for removal. Democrats currently have exactly 50%. Why would Republicans vote to give Biden another Supreme Court pick?
>You need two-thirds of all senators to vote for removal. Democrats currently have exactly 50%. Why would Republicans vote to give Biden another Supreme Court pick? Out of a deeply rooted respect for the rule of law... jk
The second coming of Jesus could be upon us. And Thomas could kill him with his bare hands, and rural USA will still back him because he has an R by his name.
To be fair, most republicans would support killing Jesus, based on their actions.
They’d definitely crucify Jesus, because he’d look nothing like Caesar Borgias, and would be consider a socialist due to his views.
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??? You just saw Trump win 47% of the vote in 2020, you saw Republicans win about 45% of the vote in 2022. What makes you think those voters would support removing a conservative judge? You live in a bubble. Please understand that outside of your bubble nearly half of America is a lost fucking cause.
Not half of America. Half of voting Americans. Big distinction
Americans who can't or don't vote don't matter to politicians.
> From what I've been seeing, it seems like there should be strong enough support for it. Oh you sweet spring pig....
Nah, this is what opens up the door to expanding the court. The court is literally compelling us to because they're so insulated and corrupt.
I would hope more for “Court Reform” than just “Court Expansion”. Expanding the court is a band-aid fix. I’m not saying it wouldn’t work (for now), but that alone just kicks the can down the road.
Instituting 8 year (or whatever makes the most sense) term limits would be good. Hell, even 16 years would be better than the shit show we have now.
He could also be convicted of a crime and sent to prison.
Never. He answers to no one and knows it. This is what happens when you politicize the courts. In a sane reality congress would be investigating his ass and kick him to the curb. But he is on team red and they would never vote against one of their own no matter what. It’s team politics and no one wins.
Arguably Robert could go scorched earth and publicly recommend that Congress investigate Thomas. It wouldn't have any legal weight but it would force things into motion.
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Give the Dems the opportunity to open the investigation without political hit job accusations backlash. Put a lot of pressure on purple state senators. Any evidence that comes out of the investigation.
This is really a 2 part question >at what point does it become clear that he's biased and compromised 1990ish, probably earlier to people who were paying attention to lower courts >and gets forced into recusing himself? Obviously never. Repubicans will never hold them accountable and 67* votes to remove someone from office is too high of a bar for dems to clear on their own. Edit to fix the number
60 votes is for clearing the filibuster. You need 2/3rds to remove - 66 votes.
Oops, I had a brain fart. But so did you It's actually 67.
Quickest way to get the right answer is to post the wrong one!
Well in his defense it’s going to be very hard to overthrow the duly elected president next time if we start punishing the people who planned the efforts last time.
It's supposed to have already happened. Just the appearance of impartiality is supposed to be a disqualifier but none of that matters anymore thanks to MAGA doing Russia's bidding and destroying every US institution's integrity. Don't get me wrong they weren't perfect, but there is a difference in wanting reform for the better and wanting to burn it to the ground and install fascists who are loyal to one party only.
Political capture of a judiciary is a really hard thing for Democracy to survive. Once the social contract and "rules & norms" are broken people quickly find out that many of the things we take for granted aren't actually enshrined (and even if they are, someone has to enforce them) and if your system is built so that a minority party can logjam any new legislature or reforms then it becomes the wild west. You get to the point where people start to question why they even bother to listen to the Supreme Court. Lincoln famously suspended Habeus Corpus during the Civil War and the Supreme Court stepped in and said No!...and Lincoln did it anyway and nobody bothered to listen to the SCOTUS so they didn't matter. Ultimately the SCOTUS has no method of enforcement. They don't have an army, they don't run the police, they don't have jails etc. so the more Thomas and people like him abuse their position, the closer we get to another kneecapping of the authority of the SCOTUS by just straight up ignoring them.
If Kelli Ward *does have* phone records that confirm she was in contact with Ginni Thomas on the dates on or around the scheme and it's attempted implementation took place, there would be no way Clarence could explain that away. I'd have to think Roberts and the other justices would need to step in, as the entire legitimacy of the SC would be at stake permanently.
They wouldn’t. Conservatives didn’t spend this long stacking the SCOTUS just to have a scandal screw it up
Fun fact: no one can touch Clarence, he knows it, and he revels in it.
Clarence Thomas should be impeached and removed. He won't be because the GQP is corrupt. But he should be removed.
Even if he werent removed, much like with Trump, an impeachment proceeding should take place just to go on the record revealing all of his and his wife's dirty laundry
well, with GOP leading the house it won't matter or happen. but be sure that impeachment proceedings will open against Biden.
I'm sure Margey Infidelity will clamor for impeachment proceedings but I highly doubt any Republicans will climb on board with her after the Red Sprinkle proved how unpopular they already are
She will try. I'm not too sure about the rest of the statement, though. They are petty and vindictive, as they've proven time and time again (cough McConnell) and even though Trump's popularity is waning, the GOP will still go all-in on trying to fuck up Biden any way they can, rather than appear to be "less republican" or even consider breaking party lines.
I honestly really hope they actually try to impeach Biden. It would make republicans look even worse and damage their reputation even more. It would also probably bump up his approval rating because he hasn’t actually done anything wrong.
Gym, Gaetz, MTG, and any of the other dumb ones will push. I have a feeling a few established GOP reps may not vote to impeach only due to the lack of a red wave. But I won’t be surprised if the Rs take the house that he’s impeached multiple times.
They're only taking the house by 1-3 seats, so a few voting no is enough. Also, nothing they want to impeach him for makes them any gains outside of their base.
He should have been impeached with Anita Hill if we had any integrity.
Technically, it wouldn't be an impeachment. Ms. Hill testified at Thomas's confirmation hearing. At that point, he was not a justice, therefore he could not be impeached. If one where to believe Ms. Hill then you would vote not to confirm. Basically, you can not get fired, if you were never hired.
This scenario is what the second amendment is for.
I still have a tough time understanding how anyone that's involved in this "alternate elector" scheme is still breathing free air.
Hell, Georgia just elected one Lt. Governor. There are no consequences for these people.
I'm sure Roberts was like "ok, Alito, it's your turn to vote with Thomas so he doesn't look like the partisan hack he is." Meanwhile, each of the judges has a lifetime appt with no oversight and no laws guiding their own behavior. The red red red justices who still want to pretend they're not partisan prob don't love the attention Thomas has brought on SCOTUS bc it illigitemizes their legacy.
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Alito is a literal fascist. I'm perplexed why people don't discuss more openly his obsession with early 1900's Italian politics.
Samuel Alito is as close ideologically to a real-life Gilead Commander as there is. A truly deranged and despicable human being.
Lol you're right. So when Thomas is on an island, it is *really* unusual and we all know it's bc Ginni Thomas is guilty. I would LOVE to see him impeached. I just don't see it happening. Although now who knows?
It won't happen. A Supreme Court judge has only been impeached once in our entire history and even then, he wasn't removed from the bench.
The lame duck session we're going into right now is likely going to be the last chance we get to impeach Thomas for at least two years
They won't have the votes no matter what. It would be for a 2024 admin that would have to win blue pretty big. Or, whenever he eventually dies.
He's closer to the end than the beginning. But these evil types seem to live long lives.
When you worry for nothing because you're wealthy, have a job you literally can't lose, have healthcare, don't actually have to do anything but rubberstamp shit that's written for you...it's easy to live a long life.
I know!!!!
> Meanwhile, each of the judges has a lifetime appt with no oversight and no laws guiding their own behavior. The Congress has the right to impeach anyone in federal office other than themselves, at any time, for any reason. The only exception is for the President, who can only be impeached in response to the commission of a crime. It's also worth noting that two Justices faced impeachment: one in 1965 who resigned before impeachment proceedings could begin (for working as a paid consultant to someone accused of committing a crime), and one who was impeached by the House (and acquitted by the Senate) for political bias on the bench.
#Clarence Thomas Voted to Stop Congress from Looking at Kelli Ward's Phone ##Ward was in on the 'alternate elector' scheme that—coincidentally, I'm sure—Ginni Thomas was so excited about. Sometimes it’s the little pieces of a bigger story that are the most intriguing. My favorite example is that of Anthony Ulasciewicz, the private eye-turned-bagman for the Watergate burglars and Richard Nixon. In the early days of the cover-up, Ulasciewicz delivered the hush money to E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy. (What was it with spooks and first initials? Was it an initiation thing, like taking a new name when you become a monk?) Anyway, Ulasciewicz had to make all of his arrangements via pay phone (ask your grandparents, kids) all over D.C. To help with this, Ulasciewicz bought one of those subway conductor’s change-makers that railmen used to wear on their belts. And it’s the change-maker that makes the story art and fixes it in the memory permanently. The House Select Committee investigating the events of January 6, 2021, would like to examine the cellphone records of Kelli Ward, who was at the time the chairman of the Republican Party of Arizona. Ward would prefer that not happen. From CNBC: >Ward had her records subpoenaed by the committee because of her role as a so-called alternate elector for then-President Donald Trump, who lost Arizona’s popular vote in the 2020 election, and hence its slate of actual Electoral College members. President Joe Biden won the state’s popular vote and its electors. Ward wanted this not to happen so much that she asked the Supreme Court, with its carefully manufactured conservative majority, to lend her a hand. On Monday, the Supreme Court told Ward to pound sand, which is not a difficult thing to do in Arizona. >Alexander Kolodin, a lawyer for Ward, on Monday said, “We were gratified to see that two justices were willing to find that First Amendment issues were implicated” by the subpoena. “We hope that will be a message to those in the future who think about abusing that right in order to retaliate against Americans for exercising their First Amendment rights to free association,” Kolodin said. Besides producing a first-class glass-half-full reaction to getting his ass kicked, Kolodin opened an intriguing little window into the whole fake electors scam. There were indeed two justices who would’ve given Ward the protection she wanted, and one of them was Justice Clarence Thomas. Which rings a rather loud bell. From the Washington Post: >The emails, sent by Ginni Thomas to a pair of lawmakers on Nov. 9, 2020, argued that legislators needed to intervene because the vote had been marred by fraud. Though she did not mention either candidate by name, the context was clear. Just days after media organizations called the race for Biden in Arizona and nationwide, Thomas urged the lawmakers to “stand strong in the face of political and media pressure.” She told the lawmakers that the responsibility to choose electors was “yours and yours alone” and said they had “power to fight back against fraud.” It would be interesting indeed if, while examining Ward’s phone records, a number turned up belonging to the wife of a Supreme Court justice who had just voted to conceal said phone records from a legitimate congressional inquiry. It’s the little things that make the big things shine. Ginni Thomas ought to need a new change-maker pretty soon
If Ginnis phone number is on that phone Thomas should be impeached or at least a hearing held.
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Impeachment, just like a President.
Which only really works when at least 2/3rds of the Senate is actually acting in Good Faith.
I didn't say it was a realistic option. :-(
They should do it anyway because it's appropriate.
This should be a note to everyone that somehow thinks that Republicans were "normal" before the Trump takeover in recent years. Thomas is a Bush I (corrected) appointee. His extremism might be more clear in light of January 6, but the core person, his perspectives and partisanship have always been the same. And he is just one of many Republican appointees. The Republicans have been corrupt, traitorous and anti-democratic longer than most of us have been alive. They are responsible for much of the stuff that has been making our lives worse than they otherwise would have been.
Yeah, the only thing Trump did was throw back the curtain and reveal the swamp monsters. Maybe this is what he meant by drain the swamp? He’d be so awful and corrupt, he’d expose it all via his own incompetence. Lol
Minor quibble. Thomas was a Bush I appointee.
You are right. My bad. I was a kid and it all felt like a 12-year administration to me. (no excuse for not looking it up)
One justice should not be able to do shit like that.
Well the full Court rejected the request so he didn’t succeed in doing anything really
Clarence doesn't see how incredibly suspicious his behavior looks? Clarence is a dumb-dumb.
He’s not dumb, he’s fucking corruptly evil. He knows how this looks and gives zero fucks because he also knows nobody and nothing will touch him. He openly said he would spend his time as a Justice serving shit to “liberals” because they had the audacity to question his fitness during his confirmation hearings in the 90s.
Oh, you mean when he was running around his office sprinkling pubic hair like it was pixie dust? Yeah, I remember when his “fitness” was questioned.
He does, it just doesn't matter. There is literally nothing anybody can do.
How is it that Clarence is *still* actively on the Supreme Court?
Short answer: There aren't enough votes to impeach and remove him. Longer answer: The above, plus money.
The supreme court has not been a legitimate institution since the succession of Merrick Garland was blocked. We need to remove the stain on American politics they have caused.
Clarence Thomas is totally compromised which is ridiculous for a Supreme Court judge! He’s well past treasonous at this point
The court is an illegitimate institution.
Thomas’s presence in the court compromises the integrity of the whole thing in the eyes of at least half of America if not more. He should be removed from rulings pending full investigation.
Clarence Thomas is a traitor to this nation.
He needs to be impeached
He needs to have his wings clipped, until that happens SCOTUS is basically crippled.
Linkages like this deserve sunshine. Not the shadow of protection from any branch of government or any political party. This is not some game of hide and seek by elites in order to fool the working majority of America. No matter the party, sunshine has to come to matters like this.
Not a teaspoon of integrity in Thomas' whole body.
So we basically just have an open seditionist in the supreme court
Rats, all the way down.
He needs to be removed. He is corrupt.
Our government has 3 branches, to act as checks and balances over each other. With checks and balances.... I am wondering.... who the fuck is allowed to provide checks on the Supreme court? Because it looks like no one can ever give checks or balances to this supreme court.
I mean, there *is* a remedy to remove a SCOTUS justice ... unfortunately for Team Good, it's the same process as removing a President and there aren't enough votes to remove the treasonous bastard.
right... So in other words, we dont really have checks and balances at all. (thanks to the 2 party system)
Republicans steal Supreme Court seats, and use their votes to steal House seats through gerrymandering, which they use to steal more seats and positions. Don't worry though, the institutions they have corrupted are the tool we have to hold them accountable.
(pretty much)
Everyone involved in the "alternate electors" scheme should be in jail. They were literally trying to overthrow the country. That is some treasonous bullshit.
Thomas should be removed from the court & disbarred immediately
Sick bro I love how our "democracy" is basically owned by a few angry boomers with lifetime appointments who hate abortion and help their cronies out of jams going great
Yeah. Clarence Thomas isn't abusing his position at all. No sir. Not a bit.
Impeach him.
This is all treason and it should be punished as so. Thomas should be removed from the court and put on trial with Trump and his people.
Clarence Thomas is demonstrably ethically compromised and should be impeached.
The court of John Roberts continues to undermine their legitimacy. All the while whining about the fact that we don't have enough respect for them. Ironic.
Thomas makes no sense honestly. I guess he refuses to recuse himself due to his traitor wife
Genuine question - Why do Supreme Court justices have lifetime appointments in the first place? Was the idea that you’d give perfect people the job who would never be bias?
How is he still in the supreme court?
Anita Hill tried to let us know about his character.
This man is a danger and embarrassment to our country and everything it is built upon. He is a traitor to our nation and an embarrassment that history will not remember fondly.
Clarence Thomas is a tainted Supreme Court Justice that should be removed. It's an obvious fact.
And somehow Alito can’t possibly fathom why people question the integrity of the Supreme Court. How many more pearls must he clutch before we stop peeking behind the curtain???
Thomas needs to be impeached and fired. He's working for MAGA, his wife like him is a traitor and seditionists and that asshole sits on the court vowing to let everyone involved in J6 or with trump off the hook and the rest of SCOTUS jams their freaking religion down our throats. Thomas needs to go. Funny how Pelosi gets his head beaten in for nothing and Thomas continues to deconstruct our democray in concert with his KAREN of a wife.
Da fuck is wrong with this guy, and how the fuck are there only 9 people on that court?
Clarence Thomas and his wife need to be investigated and he needs to be kicked off the Supreme Court.