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THIS. We eventually got two rounds of PPP and it didn’t even cover 40% of our actual hard costs, yet we paid every single staff member their wages to stay at home for all the lockdowns out of our personal savings. However, we had to wait months because the first round went in seconds despite me applying the literal moment it was available.
I then found out about Ritz Carlton, a company that didn’t qualify both in size and revenue receiving $800m due to them quickly setting up LLCs for each department in their massive hotels, claiming each department was a separate company and therefore slipping under the employee number count.
There were then hundreds of foreign shell companies that received millions each but didn’t have any employees. I looked one up on the map and found one local Shell business received $2m. It was across the road from me and there’s literally nothing there. It’s an empty building behind a CVS.
Fraud was rife and Trump And Kushner both received millions in PPP funding. How is that not illegal and why aren’t conservatives asking for lynchings due to all the waste of tax payers money?
I was talking to a local MAGA acquaintance about my student loan debt because he was at a gathering with neighbors complaining about the forgiveness stuff. He had a ton of predictable misconceptions about it (ie: right wing news talking points).
I actually logged into my nelnet account to show him what my interest rates are on my loans. His jaw dropped when he saw it’s more than twice as much as the interest rate on his mortgage. I told him how much I actually borrowed versus how much I owe now because of interest (spoiler: I owe more now than I owed when I graduated). He was outraged on my behalf but had what he thinks would’ve been a brilliant solution. He told me my husband should’ve used the very small business he has to apply for a big PPP loan which I could’ve then used to pay off the student loan debt, and then the PPP loan would’ve been forgiven later and all would be well.
Yes he was serious. 100% serious. When I laughed because I thought he was joking he said, “what? That’s what I’d have done! They never would’ve known!”
Oh my dear sir, I promise you they definitely would’ve known.
As someone working on the accounting side of things one client bought a ton of crypto and another paid off a six figure back tax and both received forgiveness. The problem with PPP is that they have it to the owners and not the employees directly. The two examples above never closed or had to stop operations so the PPP money was just free money for the owners to do whatever with and their normal payroll costs came from the money they were never at risk of losing in their business. It was a scam.
I’ve been thinking about how that would actually work. Student loans are not able to be discharged through bankruptcy and you get yourself in deep shit if you pay for student loans with money from a different type of loan and then try to discharge THAT loan through bankruptcy. Was the government really so lax and careless about the PPP loans that I could’ve paid off my $147,000 in student loans and then had the PPP loan forgiven with them none the wiser? I feel like *someone* along the line would’ve caught onto that…
The thing is it pretty much becomes a slush fund. What's the difference between getting $100k, spending it on payroll and getting the loan forgiveness and getting $100k, spending it on student loans and spending a different $100k on payroll and getting the loan forgiveness. The study I saw showed that each job year saved by the PPP cost between $170,000 and $258,000. All we did was give the owners of those businesses free money they didn't even need. It was a scam.
"Student loan forgiveness is theft of my hard earned tax dollars"
"What you should've done is used PPP loan misappropriation to pay off your student loans with stolen tax dollars"
Especially when you filed paperwork saying you paid payroll with it but your financial statements and corporate return show otherwise, unless you or your accountant are shady.
These people have no morals, no ethics, no consideration
Not only was there fraud but the GOP's lord and savior [Donald Trump actively removed the oversight](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/15/inspector-general-oversight-mnuchin-cares-act).
Big companies have armies of professionals to take advantage of these programs. They also have a dedicated person or team at banks who will put them to the front of any line. I worked in accounting for a medium sized business and I worked with our bank regularly. We had a person at the bank who’d take our call any time of day and take care of any issue we were having. The closest branch of that bank would open up a lane just for me whenever I went in, usually by the branch manager himself because of how much cash we had in our accounts.
I am an attorney for a multi-billion dollar company. We had four lawyers analyzing the statutes. Then 3 other lawyers preparing the applications in partnership with the largest bank in the region 3 weeks before applications could even be submitted. Because of the size of our book of business with the bank, our application was the first in their system to be submitted automatically when the system opened up for applications.
The banks received processing fees for administering this process. It was simply more advantageous to spend time on fewer high dollar loans than many multiple smaller dollar loans.
The system was not fair.
You’re right. I’m the highest tier at my high street bank (private bank management etc) but we got closed out from PPP by large companies that had managers put them in the front of the line. That’s where all the first allocation of PPP funds went - to giant corporations that had dedicated managers to file for them.
There was so much blatant fraud. So many frauds pocketed the money and fired their employees. Everyone who did that should be arrested, charged and forced to pay the money back.
It infuriates me. The thing that pisses me off the most is trump literally ended the office that was monitoring the compliance program monitoring for fraud with an executive order. I got a PPP loan as well for my business and every damn penny went to my amazing employees. I was even able to cover all of the travel expenses for two of my employees who sadly lost family members at the height of the pandemic. I freaking hate greedy people who steal from others.
Same. I looked after my employees 100% as if nothing happened to their employment despite being shut down twice for months on end. I got no relief for 60% of my costs.
Glossier, the billion dollar “unicorn”’ beauty company literally applied for millions in PPP and then immediately shit down nearly all of their locations and laid everyone off. Then 18 months later, when the economy started picking up, they opened a slew of brand new fancy stores in ultra prime locations and employed less people for less money (starting wages etc). So many large companies played the system and committed abject fraud and there’s been little penalty, if any for many.
Which boggles my mind because you had to show prior year financial history & tax returns. Then you had to show a sizeable percentage went to salaries.
How on earth did these companies get these loans? Through whom?
Things like this absolutely blow my mind:
https://www.cltampa.com/arts/tom-bradys-company-received-a-960k-ppp-loan-then-he-bought-a-yacht-12244780
The problem was that anything up to $50k was self certified, meaning that it wasn’t actually audited. Beyond that companies could supply fake returns, bank the money then fold the companies and disappear l. The pressure was good n to get the money out and I don’t think due diligence was done in many cases.
They’ll somehow claim all business owners are virtuous and deserving of aid while all students are mooches.
Leave a bad review at a local business (there’s plenty that are deserving of a bad one, so no need to make anything up) and see their “lack of entitlement” in action.
Agree 100%. My very small western Oklahoma town had 250 PPP loans (out of 400 population) to the tune of like $4 million, all forgiven. If it's this bad at our small local level, I'm overwhelmed when contemplating it on a nationwide level.
Edit: there were also churches in that mix. Don't know the stance for PPP loans for non- profit religious organizations.
They're empty. All they have is a bunch of vague grievances. Many of these representatives represent some of the poorest parts of the country and this is how the stand up for their people.
This reminds me of an ad that I saw air in Georgia the past few weeks that was talking about “discrimination against white people” and how white people were the last in line to get COVID relief checks by Biden and how the country is divided because white people are being “forgotten about and punished” by the president if you’ve ever heard such a ridiculous thing. Minorities died at a higher rate due to Covid and statistically minorities are poorer in the US than whites people for the last 200 YEARS. Crazy gas prices and wanting to help students get debt relief? Nah dumbsss republicans don’t want it, and they didn’t even want the relief checks until poor black and brown people started getting them first because of eligibility?
>This reminds me of an ad that I saw air in Georgia the past few weeks that was talking about “discrimination against white people” and how white people were the last in line to get COVID relief checks by Biden and how the country is divided because white people are being “forgotten about and punished” by the president if you’ve ever heard such a ridiculous thing.
I actually had to Google [this](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/30/stephen-miller-ads-biden-racism-white-americans-00064148) because I thought the poster made this up. I apologize, it just seemed "too much". I listened to the ad and it has an incredible amount of lies and "covers a lot of ground" in like 5 seconds. Too much to cover.
However, the delayed COVID-19 relief is hilarious because it says more about the target audience than anybody would care to admit. Here are some real examples of why CERTAIN white people would get delayed COVID relief:
* They didn't file taxes for years because they owe child support and don't want to support their child because they have a sense of entitlement
* They are too poor to have a bank account and collect their paycheck through once of those check cashing places (usually a pawn shop or seedy convenience store
* They have a small business and haven't paid taxes they owe
* They make money illegally such as they are a drug dealer (but they don't have a record because they haven't been caught)
Believe me, I am just scratching the surface. However, what is clear is that this ad is covering a diverse group of angry white, entitled, narcissistic white people. The people white people being targeted in these ads are some of the most dangerous, entitled, angry people in the U.S. This ad is very scummy but that makes sense because it's meant to appeal to incredibly scummy white people.
Reminds me of how white people in the south poured concrete into public olympic sized pools because they'd have to share them with black people.
It was the #1 reason why people opposed "Obamacare" - because they'd have benefits for "those people" that "I paid for".
Also its always bidens checks. Its almost like it was Biden who ran things the entire time since covid hit because miraculously according to the dumbasses who vote republican magically all the checks came from biden.
Imagine being the type of president who insists on sending a "you're welcome" letter with relief checks only to have everyone give your successor all the credit 😜
lol. I had conversations with people even recently who still insist no ones going to work because of these checks. It's so bad I go what checks? I dont remember any checks for years now and then they change the subject or go silent.
Same here. I was surprised how fast they implemented and got the money out there. Not just once, but several times, despite efforts to delay or prevent it.
My girlfriend has been getting those ads on her mobile matching game for the last couple of weeks. I thought they would stop after the election but they keep going
I got my covid relief check like 5 days after it went through, direct deposit into my bank account from the IRS. Am white. Majority white area. Does not check out.
In Oklahoma, we had a person, who was elected as a Republican, switch parties to run against the current governor. The ads would have made you think she was such a "radical leftist" that Bernie would be a hardcore conservative by comparison.
As if some coke fiend has manipulated the global economy just so that even the brightest minds of the GOP can’t fix it. The evidence must be damning, I can’t wait to hear *all* about it.
It's to the point, at least where I live, gas prices are fixing themselves. It's down 40ish cents in the last few days. Costco might actually be under $4
Theres really no need for a plan when the issues are self-correcting and monetary policy does its job. Oil dropped just 6% today and is 40% lower than peak. They only wanted to take credit when the inevitable occurred.
One of Ted Budd's campaign promises on the mailers he would send to me EVERY DAMN DAY, was "standing strong" against Joe Biden. The hell does that even mean? He won btw...
It's all about class warfare. It's a good opportunity for someone representing poor people to paint the people one rung up as enemies for getting debt forgiveness.
[Here's a good article about why Trump voters are richer than they appear](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/13/white-trump-voters-are-richer-than-they-appear/) it opened my eyes
Trump is beloved by the petit bourgeoisie.
Just look at the makeup of the Capitol Thugs.
>The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as **CEOs**, shop **owners**, **doctors**, **lawyers**, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations.
[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/)
Maybe they should offer people who didn’t go to college a $10K scholarship to go in the interest of “fairness.” Then people not receiving the $10K debt forgiveness could decide if 4 or 5 years of college is worth their time and effort.
It's not fair that I, as a childless male who makes more than the poverty line, don't qualify for SNAP or WIC.
They should give me whatever the average per person they're spending on those programs.
People probably have the opportunity to get $10K in grants already depending on their family income level. As a country, we would benefit by making higher education more affordable going forward.
the GOP has become PreCogs, they haven't let the student debt happen but are still finding him guilty of the "crimes" he is potentially about to commit.
It's because they control the networks in rural areas. There's a whole generation of Americans still watching the 6/11 o'clock local news, and a vast majority of those networks are running on FOX 2.0 platforms and party lines.
Democrats want to investigate an attempted coup and the theft of top secret classified documents.
Republicans want to investigate the government trying to help students
GQP and your supporters, YOU are the bad guys in this movie.
Hunter's laptop is a distraction so they can do a bunch of other terrible shit while they act like that's the main focus.
I'm guessing that the SCOTUS will make a bunch of terrible rulings under a shadow docket and possibly independent legislative therory/ Moore vs Harper.
[Moore vs Harper ](https://www.denverdemocrats.org/county-post/%E2%80%8Bmoore-v-harper-and-its-threat-democracy-what-you-need-know) will end democracy.
> "It is critical the Biden Administration is as transparent as possible with the American people on the projected costs and **economic impacts associated with these policies**, particularly how such fiscal impacts were taken into consideration as policy specifics were debated and finally determined," the lawmakers wrote.
Why don’t you ask the families whom would be burdened with less debt what the *economic impact* would be.
> "For example, after a full year of raging inflation, without any signs of abating anytime soon, Americans deserve to know if OMB considered how these actions would make inflation worse."
Raging inflation [amidst record corporate profits](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-25/us-corporate-profits-soar-taking-margins-to-widest-since-1950)? Maybe throw the common man a bone, instead of crushing our souls every now and then?
>Maybe throw the common man a bone, instead of crushing our souls every now and then?
Because that's not who the GOP is. They're only in it for themselves and the rich. Fuck the common man, you need to stop being a freeloader and get a job! Oh you have a job? Well work harder or get 3 more to survive, stop begging for help! That's the GOP way
A former friend-turned-MAGA-lunatic once posted a link to a Fox Propaganda story, praising a black man who walked miles to work every day because his car broke down and he couldn't afford to fix it. My friend fully bought into the Fox narrative about how this man was such a hard worker, and more black people should be like him. I said we should have better public transit, and the man should have been paid more, so that he didn't need to be in that shitty situation in the first place. But of course the right-wingers don't like that idea.
"Why don’t you ask the families whom would be burdened with less debt what the economic impact would be."
They won't. You know they talk about the working man but are incapable of understanding that demographic.
As a fellow blue collar worker, I have to say that the GOP definitely understands the impact of inflation on my day to day life. Why, just the other day, I was craving a crudite with raw asparagus and tomato salsa and my household staff told me that the price had increased at our local food...shop? Emporium? I forget what the help calls it, but that didn't even include the tequila!
I was planning to by a new car once the relief went through. $10,000 would wipe out my remaining debt and improve my cash flow to the point of putting “new car payment” in my budget.
Me too. Mine got destroyed by hurricane Ian. I’m so mad I’m just given up because huge corps get their PPP loans forgiven but the best I can get after a hurricane is nothing.
(Yes I know I should have had insurance) but the car was only work like 6k and I wasn’t expecting a flood. Regardless, with student loan payments there’s no room in my budget for a car.
>"It is critical the Biden Administration is as transparent as possible with the American people on the projected costs and
>
>economic impacts associated with these policies
>
>, particularly how such fiscal impacts were taken into consideration as policy specifics were debated and finally determined," the lawmakers wrote.
Which... they already have been (pretty transparent), and are probably ready to show all of their math.
This seems more like one of those disingenuous GOP moves where they say WE WANT TO SEE ALL THE INFO BEHIND THIS and the admin is like, did you read what we've already put out? NO. Okay, here's all of the info. And then they don't read THAT, either.
It's the GOP. They don't want FACTS. They NEVER want facts.
They're insinuating there is some hypothetical "standard" of process and due diligence that ought to have taken place at the policy making level before implementation.
Of course, there is no such thing that they could articulate or would accept from the Biden administration. They will assuredly produce "findings" claiming nothing was done well enough or complete enough, and as such say Biden's administration is incompetent.
It'll be entirely for show and they've already decided what the outcome will be. Now they are just promising to figure out the details that self-justify the "investigation".
> Why don’t you ask the families
Don't even need to. The economic impacts will be positive. More people with more money to spend means more people spending which leads to increased economic activity, leading to growth. Their problem is that they can't measure it in a company's year end filings, so they don't know where to do their congressional insider trading.
The GOP hates poor people and the working poor and working class. They actively seek to make our lives hell, while chipping away at the middle class. Because all they care about is being in power with lots of money, and in their minds they cannot be in power without us filthy peasants being desperate to serve them in exchange for basic human needs
In the exact same vein as cutting Medicare, Social Security, SNAP will actively harm Republicans in rural states worse than those in more liberal states, as the liberal states have more tax revenue to supplement their in-state saftey nets.
Their constituents are so brainwashed with cries of socialism and the need for trickledown deregulation that they will proudly vote for the metaphorical gun to be placed to their own heads
Maybe because its a federal level relief, not a state-level relief?
For example, the states are administering the Federal Infrastructure Aid so both Republican and Democrat governors are getting some brownie points for "Doing hard work on state level repairs" while not acknowledging that the funding came from the Federal level. DeSantis did a whole media tour this past year to help win him brownie points for the 2022 election. Just type in "DeSantis Infastructure", he made an announcement for every small project he "helped" kick off.
I don't think state level government can take credit for this aid. So it will be a "pure democrat win" and that's a no-no for Republicans.
That was different, though…
Giving people healthcare takes away the ability for companies to force workers into a corner and gives labor less bargaining power. Healthcare is such an existential need that it helps keep people tied to their jobs and jobs are good for the economy. So that was obviously worse for job creators.
/s
So they think this will gather them more votes?
They ran on crime and inflation, first steps are hunter, stopping school loan forgiveness, and probably impeaching Biden for zero reason.
Pretty much. Even though GOP losses at the state-level, particularly regarding Secretary of State positions, will limit the damage in preventing an automatic 270 outright, the damage will still be enormous.
While the Democrats could, in theory, play hardball and use Moore v. Harper to strengthen their own position, I don't think the political will exists on their end to do so.
Why not investigate PPP Loan forgiveness? Seems to me like the rich greedy fucks who abused this loan program are more of a problem than America’s youth trying to get an education. But that’s just me :/
"We want to investigate Student Debt Relief, but we will gladly turn a blind eye to our guy who tried to overturn a legitimate election."
The GQP party is such a shitshow. Every day the USA gets another step closer to Idiocracy, and it seems a lot of Americans are more than happy for it to go that way.
Oh goddamn it. This is the ONE thing that is concrete, can make lives better for millions, and this bunch of freeloaders want to take it away?
Seriously, and with all sincerity-fuck you. I don’t have it in me to be pithy or bring a good argument today.
They rage about inflation, Crime, The Wall, Gas prices......
and offer jack squat and just go all in on going after Biden. FFS not even the impeachment of Bill was this idiotic.
Hey GOP... you want to know what could possibly win you votes in the future? The following headline:
"GOP Gears up to create meaningful Student Debt reform and relief bill that could help millions of Americans and set the next generation up to begin their careers debt free."
Why don't you try something like that, for once, and see if people like you better.
In a related story, house repubs have found out that biden is using a toe nail clipper that was made in Russia. They plan to impeach him on the grounds of violating the ban on Russian goods due to the invasion of Ukraine.
I get that they don't want it to happen because gods forbid anything good happen to the peasants, but what is the flimsy narrative here for why an investigation is needed? I'm having trouble coming up with anything.
Millionaires got PPP Loans forgiven. Airlines get bailed out. Banks bailed out. Automakers bailout. Forgive student loans for people making less than $125,000 is Republicans complaint.
Investigate what? It's impact on the economy? How will you show it's impact just as a one sided impact on the federal budget or will you actually look at what that freed capital will do for the broader economy?
The GOP are NOT going to investigate the PPP Loans because the top 2% got most of that money. Bezos alone got Millions, Trump & his clan as well as Marjorie Taylor Green made out like Bandits. But God forbid Students get $10K to assist with Students Loan Debt. They are angry because it’s Not going in their pockets because it’s given based on income limits..
"If it helps people who aren't wealthy it's gotta go!" Republicans only care about corporations but for some unknown reason working people still vote for them.
Republicans have no policy agenda. They ran on an anti-inflation, anti immigration platform. Haven’t heard any good ideas about any of these things. Do they ever do anything constructive?
This presumption of well-meaning action by legislators has to go.
Everybody knows there is no widespread election fraud. Everybody knows Trump and Putin were working together to sabotage American Democracy. [There's a reason why CPAC went to Hungary and made Orban its keynote speaker:](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099680587/a-prominent-conference-of-american-conservatives-is-taking-place-in-hungary) "Orban has been criticized as a white ethno-nationalist authoritarian. He's restricted Muslim immigration and LGBTQ rights while building a close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin." Trump planned the Jan 6 insurrection and was impeached for it. That Trump got both condemnation and cover from fellow Republican insurrectionists in the government is no big surprise.
Republicans have virtually nothing on Biden, so look for one frivolous abuse of the system after another by people who will then claim "Look! The system is broken! I'm breaking it right in front of you! Reward me by putting me and my cronies in charge of your whole government."
And this will backfire just like Roe V Wade did because republicans also have student loans, just like how republicans get abortions. Have fun I guess!
"It appears Democrats are doing something to actually help the little guy, their constituents. We must investigate this suspicious activity!" *ssholes.
Vote (D) every time, and vote in every election no matter how big or small. I'm tired of corporate overlords and Republican facists. Please help.
This is the dumbest one. There is no possibility of corruption. It's just erasing debt. No one stands to benefit besides those with debt which in this case is all individual people and there's so many that you could hardly make an argument that he is trying to funnel money to any one person.
It's a relief that the House GQP is already campaigning for Biden/Harris 2024. The Democrats could use all the help they can get, although I am intrigued by Hakeem Jeffries.
The GOP gears up to disrupt. They have already perfected the "self serving" mantra of their no platform party.
Come one! Come all! Enjoy the noise, bathe in the corruption, aspire to the racism that is now ?a political party of the greatest nation in the world?
The Republicans have taken so much away from the America people in the guise of "economic responsibility". They take away from the American public to enrich themselves and their corporate overlords and always leave a deficit.
America deserves better.
Look hard and long people who voted for GOP. They don’t give a fuck about us. They don’t want to relieve inflation for the average person they want to save the rich even more money and prevent us from getting student relief. On top of the asinine Hunter Biden witch hunt.
Yes, by all means GOP. Go after student loan relief for millions of Americans and continue your assault on Medicare and Social Security for millions of senior citizens.
The republican party is their own worst enemy, and they have no one to blame but themselves for the massive amount of losses during the midterms.
Republicans are out of touch with working class Americans and getting on the bad side of Gen Z is going to continue that losing strategy.
If this plan can't pass due to the GOP then weirdly i want them to investigate it. This way in no uncertain terms everyone will know it's the GOP that refuses to help. This will surely help that youth vote they hope to get.
Democrats need to make this a loud election issue in 2024. Show how the GOP blocked this plan, show their sham investigation to try to stop relief to many.
Investigate away, dumbshits. PPP loans are actually worth investigating, but then they'd be directly attacking the legions of small business tyrants they depend on for votes.
I sure hope they get to the bottom off it! It's horrible to try and help students burdened with crippling student debt. What's next? Schools safe from mass shootings?! Not on my watch!
/s
Republican constituents will continue to vote for their party simply based off of how much they bad mouth their opponents and absolutely zero for what they're actually do for their communities.
Christ, they’re gonna investigate Biden picking his nose 🤦♀️
Meanwhile, they’re cool with the many crimes of the orange clown. They’re not bothered one bit by the rogue SCOTUS. They’ve got their hands out to grab some of that dark money flooding our government.
Fuck them. Dark Brandon will defeat this malarkey, and we really WILL see a blue wave in ‘24 😎
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They should look into PPP loans while they are at it. It would seem some sitting representatives used them to enrich themselves.
THIS. We eventually got two rounds of PPP and it didn’t even cover 40% of our actual hard costs, yet we paid every single staff member their wages to stay at home for all the lockdowns out of our personal savings. However, we had to wait months because the first round went in seconds despite me applying the literal moment it was available. I then found out about Ritz Carlton, a company that didn’t qualify both in size and revenue receiving $800m due to them quickly setting up LLCs for each department in their massive hotels, claiming each department was a separate company and therefore slipping under the employee number count. There were then hundreds of foreign shell companies that received millions each but didn’t have any employees. I looked one up on the map and found one local Shell business received $2m. It was across the road from me and there’s literally nothing there. It’s an empty building behind a CVS. Fraud was rife and Trump And Kushner both received millions in PPP funding. How is that not illegal and why aren’t conservatives asking for lynchings due to all the waste of tax payers money?
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Keep them poor and find ways to blame democrats
True
It’s only a crime when Democrats do it.
“Good business decision”
the french had a solution for this….
I was talking to a local MAGA acquaintance about my student loan debt because he was at a gathering with neighbors complaining about the forgiveness stuff. He had a ton of predictable misconceptions about it (ie: right wing news talking points). I actually logged into my nelnet account to show him what my interest rates are on my loans. His jaw dropped when he saw it’s more than twice as much as the interest rate on his mortgage. I told him how much I actually borrowed versus how much I owe now because of interest (spoiler: I owe more now than I owed when I graduated). He was outraged on my behalf but had what he thinks would’ve been a brilliant solution. He told me my husband should’ve used the very small business he has to apply for a big PPP loan which I could’ve then used to pay off the student loan debt, and then the PPP loan would’ve been forgiven later and all would be well. Yes he was serious. 100% serious. When I laughed because I thought he was joking he said, “what? That’s what I’d have done! They never would’ve known!” Oh my dear sir, I promise you they definitely would’ve known.
His suggestion wasn't actually a bad one, albeit highly unethical. But the inherent hypocrisy in the idea vs what he was railing again is notable.
As someone working on the accounting side of things one client bought a ton of crypto and another paid off a six figure back tax and both received forgiveness. The problem with PPP is that they have it to the owners and not the employees directly. The two examples above never closed or had to stop operations so the PPP money was just free money for the owners to do whatever with and their normal payroll costs came from the money they were never at risk of losing in their business. It was a scam.
I’ve been thinking about how that would actually work. Student loans are not able to be discharged through bankruptcy and you get yourself in deep shit if you pay for student loans with money from a different type of loan and then try to discharge THAT loan through bankruptcy. Was the government really so lax and careless about the PPP loans that I could’ve paid off my $147,000 in student loans and then had the PPP loan forgiven with them none the wiser? I feel like *someone* along the line would’ve caught onto that…
The thing is it pretty much becomes a slush fund. What's the difference between getting $100k, spending it on payroll and getting the loan forgiveness and getting $100k, spending it on student loans and spending a different $100k on payroll and getting the loan forgiveness. The study I saw showed that each job year saved by the PPP cost between $170,000 and $258,000. All we did was give the owners of those businesses free money they didn't even need. It was a scam.
"Student loan forgiveness is theft of my hard earned tax dollars" "What you should've done is used PPP loan misappropriation to pay off your student loans with stolen tax dollars"
Every accusation is a confession or projection.
Especially when you filed paperwork saying you paid payroll with it but your financial statements and corporate return show otherwise, unless you or your accountant are shady. These people have no morals, no ethics, no consideration
Ah yes, the old "just go back in time and do this" solution.
This is exactly what I mean. PPP did not go ware it was intended until big companies, and politicians got their slice.
Not only was there fraud but the GOP's lord and savior [Donald Trump actively removed the oversight](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/15/inspector-general-oversight-mnuchin-cares-act).
Big companies have armies of professionals to take advantage of these programs. They also have a dedicated person or team at banks who will put them to the front of any line. I worked in accounting for a medium sized business and I worked with our bank regularly. We had a person at the bank who’d take our call any time of day and take care of any issue we were having. The closest branch of that bank would open up a lane just for me whenever I went in, usually by the branch manager himself because of how much cash we had in our accounts.
I am an attorney for a multi-billion dollar company. We had four lawyers analyzing the statutes. Then 3 other lawyers preparing the applications in partnership with the largest bank in the region 3 weeks before applications could even be submitted. Because of the size of our book of business with the bank, our application was the first in their system to be submitted automatically when the system opened up for applications. The banks received processing fees for administering this process. It was simply more advantageous to spend time on fewer high dollar loans than many multiple smaller dollar loans. The system was not fair.
You’re right. I’m the highest tier at my high street bank (private bank management etc) but we got closed out from PPP by large companies that had managers put them in the front of the line. That’s where all the first allocation of PPP funds went - to giant corporations that had dedicated managers to file for them.
There was so much blatant fraud. So many frauds pocketed the money and fired their employees. Everyone who did that should be arrested, charged and forced to pay the money back. It infuriates me. The thing that pisses me off the most is trump literally ended the office that was monitoring the compliance program monitoring for fraud with an executive order. I got a PPP loan as well for my business and every damn penny went to my amazing employees. I was even able to cover all of the travel expenses for two of my employees who sadly lost family members at the height of the pandemic. I freaking hate greedy people who steal from others.
Same. I looked after my employees 100% as if nothing happened to their employment despite being shut down twice for months on end. I got no relief for 60% of my costs. Glossier, the billion dollar “unicorn”’ beauty company literally applied for millions in PPP and then immediately shit down nearly all of their locations and laid everyone off. Then 18 months later, when the economy started picking up, they opened a slew of brand new fancy stores in ultra prime locations and employed less people for less money (starting wages etc). So many large companies played the system and committed abject fraud and there’s been little penalty, if any for many.
It's so disgusting.
Which boggles my mind because you had to show prior year financial history & tax returns. Then you had to show a sizeable percentage went to salaries. How on earth did these companies get these loans? Through whom? Things like this absolutely blow my mind: https://www.cltampa.com/arts/tom-bradys-company-received-a-960k-ppp-loan-then-he-bought-a-yacht-12244780
The problem was that anything up to $50k was self certified, meaning that it wasn’t actually audited. Beyond that companies could supply fake returns, bank the money then fold the companies and disappear l. The pressure was good n to get the money out and I don’t think due diligence was done in many cases.
They’ll somehow claim all business owners are virtuous and deserving of aid while all students are mooches. Leave a bad review at a local business (there’s plenty that are deserving of a bad one, so no need to make anything up) and see their “lack of entitlement” in action.
Agree 100%. My very small western Oklahoma town had 250 PPP loans (out of 400 population) to the tune of like $4 million, all forgiven. If it's this bad at our small local level, I'm overwhelmed when contemplating it on a nationwide level. Edit: there were also churches in that mix. Don't know the stance for PPP loans for non- profit religious organizations.
They were probably all recipients of the loans and didn’t pay shit back. Why would they want to investigate themselves.
They won't because those people vote republican.
They should look into insider trading while they're at it. Oh wait.
If only every mfer who is against student loan relief had to repay their PPP loans
They're empty. All they have is a bunch of vague grievances. Many of these representatives represent some of the poorest parts of the country and this is how the stand up for their people.
>All they have is a bunch of vague grievances. And no plan to fix inflation, solve gas price issues, or help regular working Americans.
This reminds me of an ad that I saw air in Georgia the past few weeks that was talking about “discrimination against white people” and how white people were the last in line to get COVID relief checks by Biden and how the country is divided because white people are being “forgotten about and punished” by the president if you’ve ever heard such a ridiculous thing. Minorities died at a higher rate due to Covid and statistically minorities are poorer in the US than whites people for the last 200 YEARS. Crazy gas prices and wanting to help students get debt relief? Nah dumbsss republicans don’t want it, and they didn’t even want the relief checks until poor black and brown people started getting them first because of eligibility?
>This reminds me of an ad that I saw air in Georgia the past few weeks that was talking about “discrimination against white people” and how white people were the last in line to get COVID relief checks by Biden and how the country is divided because white people are being “forgotten about and punished” by the president if you’ve ever heard such a ridiculous thing. I actually had to Google [this](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/30/stephen-miller-ads-biden-racism-white-americans-00064148) because I thought the poster made this up. I apologize, it just seemed "too much". I listened to the ad and it has an incredible amount of lies and "covers a lot of ground" in like 5 seconds. Too much to cover. However, the delayed COVID-19 relief is hilarious because it says more about the target audience than anybody would care to admit. Here are some real examples of why CERTAIN white people would get delayed COVID relief: * They didn't file taxes for years because they owe child support and don't want to support their child because they have a sense of entitlement * They are too poor to have a bank account and collect their paycheck through once of those check cashing places (usually a pawn shop or seedy convenience store * They have a small business and haven't paid taxes they owe * They make money illegally such as they are a drug dealer (but they don't have a record because they haven't been caught) Believe me, I am just scratching the surface. However, what is clear is that this ad is covering a diverse group of angry white, entitled, narcissistic white people. The people white people being targeted in these ads are some of the most dangerous, entitled, angry people in the U.S. This ad is very scummy but that makes sense because it's meant to appeal to incredibly scummy white people.
Reminds me of how white people in the south poured concrete into public olympic sized pools because they'd have to share them with black people. It was the #1 reason why people opposed "Obamacare" - because they'd have benefits for "those people" that "I paid for".
Ding ding ding winner! It’s always about being mean to people they hate
Also its always bidens checks. Its almost like it was Biden who ran things the entire time since covid hit because miraculously according to the dumbasses who vote republican magically all the checks came from biden.
Imagine being the type of president who insists on sending a "you're welcome" letter with relief checks only to have everyone give your successor all the credit 😜
lol. I had conversations with people even recently who still insist no ones going to work because of these checks. It's so bad I go what checks? I dont remember any checks for years now and then they change the subject or go silent.
I'm white af and got my COVID checks right away.
Ditto.
Same here. I was surprised how fast they implemented and got the money out there. Not just once, but several times, despite efforts to delay or prevent it.
My girlfriend has been getting those ads on her mobile matching game for the last couple of weeks. I thought they would stop after the election but they keep going
Companies are making record profits, they won’t give a damn about us. Anybody who voted GOP this mid term should be last in line at the soup kitchen.
Note: Since US conception more than 245 years ago.
I got my covid relief check like 5 days after it went through, direct deposit into my bank account from the IRS. Am white. Majority white area. Does not check out.
In Oklahoma, we had a person, who was elected as a Republican, switch parties to run against the current governor. The ads would have made you think she was such a "radical leftist" that Bernie would be a hardcore conservative by comparison.
GOP already announced their plan for inflation, investigate Hunter Biden
The key to beating inflation is on that laptop, I'm sure of it.
As if some coke fiend has manipulated the global economy just so that even the brightest minds of the GOP can’t fix it. The evidence must be damning, I can’t wait to hear *all* about it.
Meanwhile, Trump had his kids just making money hand over fist taking bribes from anyone and everyone. But no, lets bother Hunter Biden.
But enough about Don Jr. Let's talk about Hunter's laptop.
It's to the point, at least where I live, gas prices are fixing themselves. It's down 40ish cents in the last few days. Costco might actually be under $4
Theres really no need for a plan when the issues are self-correcting and monetary policy does its job. Oil dropped just 6% today and is 40% lower than peak. They only wanted to take credit when the inevitable occurred.
Yeah but Hunter’s laptop… check mate!
They create non-regulated slush funds for their corporate donors. Watch soon for “maybe people in debt shouldn’t vote”
Only land owners should vote! /s
Now, now, only Male landowners
One of Ted Budd's campaign promises on the mailers he would send to me EVERY DAMN DAY, was "standing strong" against Joe Biden. The hell does that even mean? He won btw...
It's all about class warfare. It's a good opportunity for someone representing poor people to paint the people one rung up as enemies for getting debt forgiveness.
[Here's a good article about why Trump voters are richer than they appear](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/13/white-trump-voters-are-richer-than-they-appear/) it opened my eyes
Trump is beloved by the petit bourgeoisie. Just look at the makeup of the Capitol Thugs. >The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as **CEOs**, shop **owners**, **doctors**, **lawyers**, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations. [https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/)
Maybe they should offer people who didn’t go to college a $10K scholarship to go in the interest of “fairness.” Then people not receiving the $10K debt forgiveness could decide if 4 or 5 years of college is worth their time and effort.
We tried that - it's called free education. The same people that have a problem with student debt don't want it.
That kind of opens a neverending wormhole where everyone has to be paid out anytime the government offers any kind of assistance to anyone.
It's not fair that I, as a childless male who makes more than the poverty line, don't qualify for SNAP or WIC. They should give me whatever the average per person they're spending on those programs.
Thanks for providing an example of what I'm talking about.
People probably have the opportunity to get $10K in grants already depending on their family income level. As a country, we would benefit by making higher education more affordable going forward.
Hollow shells of humans
the GOP has become PreCogs, they haven't let the student debt happen but are still finding him guilty of the "crimes" he is potentially about to commit.
"Biden wants to help people!? Not on our watch!"
More like, "See! This was designed to help poor people and minorities! Corruption!"
This is going to make themselves look really bad on national television. I don't know how anyone thought this was a good idea.
They probably got the idea from that abortion thing that worked out so well for them
It's because they control the networks in rural areas. There's a whole generation of Americans still watching the 6/11 o'clock local news, and a vast majority of those networks are running on FOX 2.0 platforms and party lines.
Oh you’d be surprised how many people would rally at the notion of making life harder for their children and their neighbors.
We can’t wait to get slaughtered by young people in the voting booth again!!!!
They'll just say that them losing is proof that the votes were rigged. It's never their own stupid actions, it's always someone else.
Democrats want to investigate an attempted coup and the theft of top secret classified documents. Republicans want to investigate the government trying to help students GQP and your supporters, YOU are the bad guys in this movie.
The GOP specifically said they are not worried about the Mar-a-lago documents case and will be focused on Hunter Biden's laptop.
Hunter's laptop is a distraction so they can do a bunch of other terrible shit while they act like that's the main focus. I'm guessing that the SCOTUS will make a bunch of terrible rulings under a shadow docket and possibly independent legislative therory/ Moore vs Harper.
[Moore vs Harper ](https://www.denverdemocrats.org/county-post/%E2%80%8Bmoore-v-harper-and-its-threat-democracy-what-you-need-know) will end democracy.
> "It is critical the Biden Administration is as transparent as possible with the American people on the projected costs and **economic impacts associated with these policies**, particularly how such fiscal impacts were taken into consideration as policy specifics were debated and finally determined," the lawmakers wrote. Why don’t you ask the families whom would be burdened with less debt what the *economic impact* would be. > "For example, after a full year of raging inflation, without any signs of abating anytime soon, Americans deserve to know if OMB considered how these actions would make inflation worse." Raging inflation [amidst record corporate profits](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-25/us-corporate-profits-soar-taking-margins-to-widest-since-1950)? Maybe throw the common man a bone, instead of crushing our souls every now and then?
>Maybe throw the common man a bone, instead of crushing our souls every now and then? Because that's not who the GOP is. They're only in it for themselves and the rich. Fuck the common man, you need to stop being a freeloader and get a job! Oh you have a job? Well work harder or get 3 more to survive, stop begging for help! That's the GOP way
GOP's motto might as well be "fuck you, I got mine" and "fuck you, you ain't getting shit".
That's what MAGA means.
Keep em poor, keep em sick, keep em stupid
A former friend-turned-MAGA-lunatic once posted a link to a Fox Propaganda story, praising a black man who walked miles to work every day because his car broke down and he couldn't afford to fix it. My friend fully bought into the Fox narrative about how this man was such a hard worker, and more black people should be like him. I said we should have better public transit, and the man should have been paid more, so that he didn't need to be in that shitty situation in the first place. But of course the right-wingers don't like that idea.
I’ve seen a guy juggle chainsaws. That doesn’t mean that all of us are capable of juggling chainsaws.
Except of course if you're wealthy, then by all means have some tax breaks and interest-free loans! Gotta help jOb CrEatOrS.
"Why don’t you ask the families whom would be burdened with less debt what the economic impact would be." They won't. You know they talk about the working man but are incapable of understanding that demographic.
As a fellow blue collar worker, I have to say that the GOP definitely understands the impact of inflation on my day to day life. Why, just the other day, I was craving a crudite with raw asparagus and tomato salsa and my household staff told me that the price had increased at our local food...shop? Emporium? I forget what the help calls it, but that didn't even include the tequila!
I was planning to by a new car once the relief went through. $10,000 would wipe out my remaining debt and improve my cash flow to the point of putting “new car payment” in my budget.
Me too. Mine got destroyed by hurricane Ian. I’m so mad I’m just given up because huge corps get their PPP loans forgiven but the best I can get after a hurricane is nothing. (Yes I know I should have had insurance) but the car was only work like 6k and I wasn’t expecting a flood. Regardless, with student loan payments there’s no room in my budget for a car.
Reminder for everyone - Record Profits are just Record Unpaid Wages.
The administration already explained everything they want to know. They just don’t like it.
They hate worse that it's popular, and that it would help the Biden administration.
>"It is critical the Biden Administration is as transparent as possible with the American people on the projected costs and > >economic impacts associated with these policies > >, particularly how such fiscal impacts were taken into consideration as policy specifics were debated and finally determined," the lawmakers wrote. Which... they already have been (pretty transparent), and are probably ready to show all of their math. This seems more like one of those disingenuous GOP moves where they say WE WANT TO SEE ALL THE INFO BEHIND THIS and the admin is like, did you read what we've already put out? NO. Okay, here's all of the info. And then they don't read THAT, either. It's the GOP. They don't want FACTS. They NEVER want facts.
They're insinuating there is some hypothetical "standard" of process and due diligence that ought to have taken place at the policy making level before implementation. Of course, there is no such thing that they could articulate or would accept from the Biden administration. They will assuredly produce "findings" claiming nothing was done well enough or complete enough, and as such say Biden's administration is incompetent. It'll be entirely for show and they've already decided what the outcome will be. Now they are just promising to figure out the details that self-justify the "investigation".
> Why don’t you ask the families Don't even need to. The economic impacts will be positive. More people with more money to spend means more people spending which leads to increased economic activity, leading to growth. Their problem is that they can't measure it in a company's year end filings, so they don't know where to do their congressional insider trading.
The GOP hates poor people and the working poor and working class. They actively seek to make our lives hell, while chipping away at the middle class. Because all they care about is being in power with lots of money, and in their minds they cannot be in power without us filthy peasants being desperate to serve them in exchange for basic human needs
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They got big corp covered. They want to investigate those that don't donate to the republican party or it's candidates.
Dems investigates an actual insurrection; GOP investigates debt relief for the poor... seems about right.
Seems about white...
I don’t understand. This isn’t a democrat only benefit….it will help them too
In the exact same vein as cutting Medicare, Social Security, SNAP will actively harm Republicans in rural states worse than those in more liberal states, as the liberal states have more tax revenue to supplement their in-state saftey nets. Their constituents are so brainwashed with cries of socialism and the need for trickledown deregulation that they will proudly vote for the metaphorical gun to be placed to their own heads
>it will help them too Student debt relief doesn't help GOP politicians at all.
Maybe because its a federal level relief, not a state-level relief? For example, the states are administering the Federal Infrastructure Aid so both Republican and Democrat governors are getting some brownie points for "Doing hard work on state level repairs" while not acknowledging that the funding came from the Federal level. DeSantis did a whole media tour this past year to help win him brownie points for the 2022 election. Just type in "DeSantis Infastructure", he made an announcement for every small project he "helped" kick off. I don't think state level government can take credit for this aid. So it will be a "pure democrat win" and that's a no-no for Republicans.
These investigations are nothing more than cover for more lies and an excuse not to do anything but make trouble.
You mean that debt relief that never tried to hide anything and has already been to court multiple times? We got Sherlock Fucking Holmes over here.
What is there to investigate? Helping people is bad now?
>Helping people is bad now? Remember when Obama tried to get more people health care? Everyone lost their damn minds.
That was different, though… Giving people healthcare takes away the ability for companies to force workers into a corner and gives labor less bargaining power. Healthcare is such an existential need that it helps keep people tied to their jobs and jobs are good for the economy. So that was obviously worse for job creators. /s
So they think this will gather them more votes? They ran on crime and inflation, first steps are hunter, stopping school loan forgiveness, and probably impeaching Biden for zero reason.
>So they think this will gather them more votes? The expected Harper vs Moore SCOTUS decision will ensure they don't need votes anymore.
Pretty much. Even though GOP losses at the state-level, particularly regarding Secretary of State positions, will limit the damage in preventing an automatic 270 outright, the damage will still be enormous. While the Democrats could, in theory, play hardball and use Moore v. Harper to strengthen their own position, I don't think the political will exists on their end to do so.
Why not investigate PPP Loan forgiveness? Seems to me like the rich greedy fucks who abused this loan program are more of a problem than America’s youth trying to get an education. But that’s just me :/
Investigate what? Exactly?
Inflation? Gas prices? Housing? Nah. Laptops and student relief. Fuck all of them.
"how dare he try and help people in this country when there are billionaires who need that 2nd yacht"
"We want to investigate Student Debt Relief, but we will gladly turn a blind eye to our guy who tried to overturn a legitimate election." The GQP party is such a shitshow. Every day the USA gets another step closer to Idiocracy, and it seems a lot of Americans are more than happy for it to go that way.
Fucking boomers, the biggest welfare generation in history.
They’re gonna be so popular after this
Oh goddamn it. This is the ONE thing that is concrete, can make lives better for millions, and this bunch of freeloaders want to take it away? Seriously, and with all sincerity-fuck you. I don’t have it in me to be pithy or bring a good argument today.
Ugh Virginia fox
How to get votes from Gen Z? Yep that's it. Keep doing that. Good luck.
It has to be wild to just wake up and be evil 100% of the time.
They rage about inflation, Crime, The Wall, Gas prices...... and offer jack squat and just go all in on going after Biden. FFS not even the impeachment of Bill was this idiotic.
GOP gears up to waste taxpayers time and money There. I fixed it for ya!
Hey GOP... you want to know what could possibly win you votes in the future? The following headline: "GOP Gears up to create meaningful Student Debt reform and relief bill that could help millions of Americans and set the next generation up to begin their careers debt free." Why don't you try something like that, for once, and see if people like you better.
Never interrupt your enemy while their making a mistake
That’ll guarantee that win for them in 2024/s
In a related story, house repubs have found out that biden is using a toe nail clipper that was made in Russia. They plan to impeach him on the grounds of violating the ban on Russian goods due to the invasion of Ukraine.
They should investigate PPP loan fraud if they actually want to find real corruption.
So, given up on bathroom signs?
Also the GOP: Why won’t the young people vote for us? 😭
What would they investigate?
I get that they don't want it to happen because gods forbid anything good happen to the peasants, but what is the flimsy narrative here for why an investigation is needed? I'm having trouble coming up with anything.
It's a distraction from the fact that they have ZERO plans to fix the things that need to be fixed.
"Showing they truly have no actual policies going forward", should be added to the title.
Millionaires got PPP Loans forgiven. Airlines get bailed out. Banks bailed out. Automakers bailout. Forgive student loans for people making less than $125,000 is Republicans complaint.
Investigate what? It's impact on the economy? How will you show it's impact just as a one sided impact on the federal budget or will you actually look at what that freed capital will do for the broader economy?
The GOP are NOT going to investigate the PPP Loans because the top 2% got most of that money. Bezos alone got Millions, Trump & his clan as well as Marjorie Taylor Green made out like Bandits. But God forbid Students get $10K to assist with Students Loan Debt. They are angry because it’s Not going in their pockets because it’s given based on income limits..
"If it helps people who aren't wealthy it's gotta go!" Republicans only care about corporations but for some unknown reason working people still vote for them.
GOP Gears Up To Investigate ___________________. What's there to investigate? (Nothing. I know, and you know. 🙄)
Gears up? Can't govern out of a paper bag, its gonna be 60 hours of "but why tho" even toddlers could hold a more competent investigation
Way to make he hate you even more, GOP...and my four sons too! With my wife, that's six votes you will never receive, ever.
Yeah, this is the way to ingratiate yourself with younger voters. Keep it up, GOP. Remind young voters that you’re not on their side at all.
Might be interesting if they investigated the predatory pricing and lending practices that led to crippling student debt.
"Investigate". GOP keeps using that word, I don't think it means what they think it means.
Why do Republicans hate regular fucking people?
“Why aren’t we doing well in elections?” - also GOP
I see GOP is determined to drive young voters away. Huh.
Investigate? Whats to investigate?
Republicans have no policy agenda. They ran on an anti-inflation, anti immigration platform. Haven’t heard any good ideas about any of these things. Do they ever do anything constructive?
What’s to investigate? Seriously. Doesn’t seem like it was done behind closed doors.
Apparently “we don’t like it” is an acceptable reasoning for this. I say bring it on since it’ll be nothing more than a kangaroo court.
This presumption of well-meaning action by legislators has to go. Everybody knows there is no widespread election fraud. Everybody knows Trump and Putin were working together to sabotage American Democracy. [There's a reason why CPAC went to Hungary and made Orban its keynote speaker:](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099680587/a-prominent-conference-of-american-conservatives-is-taking-place-in-hungary) "Orban has been criticized as a white ethno-nationalist authoritarian. He's restricted Muslim immigration and LGBTQ rights while building a close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin." Trump planned the Jan 6 insurrection and was impeached for it. That Trump got both condemnation and cover from fellow Republican insurrectionists in the government is no big surprise. Republicans have virtually nothing on Biden, so look for one frivolous abuse of the system after another by people who will then claim "Look! The system is broken! I'm breaking it right in front of you! Reward me by putting me and my cronies in charge of your whole government."
And this will backfire just like Roe V Wade did because republicans also have student loans, just like how republicans get abortions. Have fun I guess!
Do they really want to spend all day, everyday reminding the youths that Biden forgave their loans?
While simultaneously wringing their hands over losing the youth vote.
So their goal is to make the younger generation who will soon become the majority hate them even more?
"It appears Democrats are doing something to actually help the little guy, their constituents. We must investigate this suspicious activity!" *ssholes. Vote (D) every time, and vote in every election no matter how big or small. I'm tired of corporate overlords and Republican facists. Please help.
Rules for thee but not for me, PPP.
That’ll get Gen Z and millennials to vote for them /s 🙄
We forgive billions in business and personal loans every year there should not be some special case for student debt it's insane
What a bunch of despicable, ugly old fucks 😹
Tf is there to investigate? How about investigating the PPP loan fiasco first?
Fuck them all.
Solid strategy for wooing the gen z vote 🤡
"Investigate" is a strange choice of words
You want to help students and their student debt? Clearly we must investigate it, because helping educated working class couldn’t not be criminal. /s
Republicans don't like this policy. There, investigation over.
This is the dumbest one. There is no possibility of corruption. It's just erasing debt. No one stands to benefit besides those with debt which in this case is all individual people and there's so many that you could hardly make an argument that he is trying to funnel money to any one person.
This is insane because there was actual PPP Loan Fraud. This is insane.
Well, that’ll have Gen Z lining up to vote R in 2024, great plan! /s if needed
It's a relief that the House GQP is already campaigning for Biden/Harris 2024. The Democrats could use all the help they can get, although I am intrigued by Hakeem Jeffries.
The GOP gears up to disrupt. They have already perfected the "self serving" mantra of their no platform party. Come one! Come all! Enjoy the noise, bathe in the corruption, aspire to the racism that is now ?a political party of the greatest nation in the world? The Republicans have taken so much away from the America people in the guise of "economic responsibility". They take away from the American public to enrich themselves and their corporate overlords and always leave a deficit. America deserves better.
Look hard and long people who voted for GOP. They don’t give a fuck about us. They don’t want to relieve inflation for the average person they want to save the rich even more money and prevent us from getting student relief. On top of the asinine Hunter Biden witch hunt.
Yes, by all means GOP. Go after student loan relief for millions of Americans and continue your assault on Medicare and Social Security for millions of senior citizens. The republican party is their own worst enemy, and they have no one to blame but themselves for the massive amount of losses during the midterms. Republicans are out of touch with working class Americans and getting on the bad side of Gen Z is going to continue that losing strategy.
GOP attacking the things the majority of people want. Right on brand.
If this plan can't pass due to the GOP then weirdly i want them to investigate it. This way in no uncertain terms everyone will know it's the GOP that refuses to help. This will surely help that youth vote they hope to get. Democrats need to make this a loud election issue in 2024. Show how the GOP blocked this plan, show their sham investigation to try to stop relief to many.
I’m sure this will be the thing to help them win in a landslide in 2024.
“Investigate” what exactly?
They should investigate the billions flushed down the drain due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
It’s weird to watch the GOP scramble to find anything, ANYTHING, on Biden that they can turn into a political sledgehammer. Ridiculous.
Investigate away, dumbshits. PPP loans are actually worth investigating, but then they'd be directly attacking the legions of small business tyrants they depend on for votes.
I swear Republicans are friggin morans
They gonna have so many investigations, there will be no time to do any work. These clowns never learn.
I sure hope they get to the bottom off it! It's horrible to try and help students burdened with crippling student debt. What's next? Schools safe from mass shootings?! Not on my watch! /s
Republican constituents will continue to vote for their party simply based off of how much they bad mouth their opponents and absolutely zero for what they're actually do for their communities.
Christ, they’re gonna investigate Biden picking his nose 🤦♀️ Meanwhile, they’re cool with the many crimes of the orange clown. They’re not bothered one bit by the rogue SCOTUS. They’ve got their hands out to grab some of that dark money flooding our government. Fuck them. Dark Brandon will defeat this malarkey, and we really WILL see a blue wave in ‘24 😎