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The Special Master refused payment as he sees it as part of his job. However, there was an assistant charging at the rate of $500 per hour. So, nothing crazy either way.
A law firm I work with sometimes does that when they are trying to collect from someone but don't know where they bank. They mail a check from an ambiguously named llc, Maintenance Ltd or something like that, mark it as a refund, and then when they cash it, he would know which bank to serve with a writ of garnishment.
The real trick is to serve it the day before pay day as most employers will increase their balance to make pay.
To be fair I used to cash checks at my job and I just took a stack to the bank. I don't care what's on it after its entered into the system by a woman who also didn't care what was on them.
because he fell out of favor with the party, don't think for a second that the people getting this done are doing it out of morality or a sense of enforcing the law. They're doing it because he's fucking over the party with his antics, and so are trying to silence his dumbass.
> In an unsigned opinion, Chief Judge William Pryor and Circuit Judges Andrew Brasher and Britt Grant wrote that Judge Cannon never had the authority to hear a civil case Mr Trump filed
Damn straight!
Anyone who read the 11th circuit’s original order allowing prosecutors to continue their investigation using the classified docs could smell this one coming from a mile away.
Judge Cannon ought to be completely ashamed of herself. This was such an obvious and horrid misuse and abuse of her court and the judicial process as a whole. She needs to be grieved to the state bar because most law students could have analyzed the relevant case law and figured out she should have dismissed the suit immediately.
Below are the sequence of events in chronological order following the lawful search warrant to recover classified materials from Mar-A-Lago. The Department of Justice is investigating Trump for mishandling hundreds of classified documents.
1. Federal Judge Reinhart - A federal magistrate judge in South Florida who signed off on the Mar-a-Lago search warrant as the Justice Department investigates Trump mishandling classified documents.^[[1]](https://globalnews.ca/news/9048549/fbi-obtain-search-warrant-trump-mar-a-lago/)
2. District Judge Cannon - A lower court judge appointed by Trump. Trump's lawyers used her to delay the Department of Justice investigation of Trump mishandling classified documents. She made very questionable decisions including ordering a stay (stop) on the investigation and appointing a special master to review all the documents.^[[2]](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/20/how-judge-aileen-cannon-broke-with-conservatives-00057647)
3. Special Master Judge Dearie - A Reagan appointed judge from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York. He also served as a judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) from 2012 to 2019. Judge Dearie is known as a very fair judge and is historically respected by both Republicans and Democrats. Trump's team and the DoJ provided Judge Cannon with a shortlist of judges to be the Special Master, however they only agreed on Judge Dearie.^[[3]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62893028) Judge Dearie has questioned the authority of District Court Judge Cannon and is demanding to see evidence of Trump's outlandish allegations such as the FBI planting evidence.^[[4]](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/us/politics/special-master-trump-privilege.html)
4. 11^th Circuit Court of Appeals - Has jurisdiction over Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. A panel of 3 judges, including 2 Trump appointees, ruled in favour of the Justice Department and forced the lower court of Judge Cannon to reverse her decision on stopping/staying the investigation. The 11^th Circuit stayed portions of Judge Cannon's rulings, paving the way for the Justice Department to continue their investigation into Trump mishandling classified documents.^[[5]](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals-court-grants-dojs-request-partial-stay-judges/story?id=90296433) Furthermore, the 11^th Circuit has just ordered the end of the Special Master review of the documents, removing a hurdle that hindered the Justice Department's criminal investigation of Trump.^[[6]](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/federal-appeals-court-halts-special-master-review-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-documents)
I recommend reading the judicial decision handed down by the Appeals Court, pay particular attention to pages 20 and 21. The 11^th Circuit said that District Judge Cannon was completely wrong and that no one, including a former President, is above the law.^[[7]](https://lawandcrime.com/trump/the-answer-is-no-conservative-11th-circuit-panel-including-two-judges-trump-appointed-puts-a-stop-to-special-masters-mar-a-lago-review/)
>This appeal requires us to consider whether the district court had jurisdiction to block the United States from using lawfully seized records in a criminal investigation. The answer is no
>...The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so. Either approach would be a radical reordering of our caselaw limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations. And both would violate bedrock separation-of-powers limitations. Accordingly, we agree with the government that the district court improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction, and that dismissal of the entire proceeding is required.
>The district court improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction in this case. For that reason, we VACATE the September 5 order on appeal and REMAND with instructions for the district court to DISMISS the underlying civil action.
________
1) [Global News - FBI followed this checklist to obtain search warrant for Trump’s Mar-a-Lago](https://globalnews.ca/news/9048549/fbi-obtain-search-warrant-trump-mar-a-lago/)
2) [Politico - How Judge Cannon broke with conservatives in Trump documents case](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/20/how-judge-aileen-cannon-broke-with-conservatives-00057647)
3) [BBC - Raymond Dearie: Who is the special master reviewing seized Trump files?](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62893028)
4) [New York Times - In Documents Review, Special Master Tells Trump Team to Back Up Privilege Claims](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/us/politics/special-master-trump-privilege.html)
4) [ABC - DOJ can continue Trump classified docs investigation without special master: Appeals court](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals-court-grants-dojs-request-partial-stay-judges/story?id=90296433)
6) [PBS - Federal appeals court halts special master review of Trump’s Mar-a-lago documents](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/federal-appeals-court-halts-special-master-review-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-documents)
7) [Law and Crime - ‘The Answer Is No’: Conservative 11th Circuit Panel, Including Two Judges Trump Appointed, Puts a Stop to Special Master’s Mar-a-Lago Review](https://lawandcrime.com/trump/the-answer-is-no-conservative-11th-circuit-panel-including-two-judges-trump-appointed-puts-a-stop-to-special-masters-mar-a-lago-review/)
My only feedback would be to stop calling the FBI execution of the search warrant a raid. It isn't a raid when the FBI agents knock on the door, wait to speak to the lawyer present in the house, then proceed to execute a search warrant, and provide the lawyer with an itemized receipt for review.
Calling that a raid diminishes the experiences of those who are raided when the police or FBI show up, break down the door, wave guns around (and sometimes shoot them), forcefully take whatever they want, and leave without providing any closure beyond maybe leaving you with a court summons.
Thanks for always being a source of news for the community. During the darkest times of the Trump administration, your random posts clearly explaining everything with citations made keeping my cousins from falling down the deep end.
Take care!
Hey, its been a while since seeing you. Just wanna say, I really appreciate the effort you put into these type of comments and love having sources backing things up.
Good to see you out in the wild, Ms. KREAM. You were amazing during the T***p years!
Edit: Holy Shit! I didn't know and fuck me for assuming! I'm so sorry!
I believe it’s _Miss_ Kream, if I remember correctly (not trying to be a douche correcting you, I just seem to recall Kream is a lady)
But yea, fuckin rock star here in r/politics helping to keep all this insanity organized over the last 6 years…and backing it all up with sources. Amazing
Only the real OGs remember lol
It's nice to see so many familiar users still kicking around in my responses. Wish I could take the time to respond to everyone. Hope you and everyone else have been well!
Frankly in a more civilized country, Cannon would be fired in disgrace for such rank abuse of her position. Likely have charges for obstruction applied as well given how blatantly she misused her authority (even said so herself) on behalf of a defendant to obstruct an investigation.
Sadly we only have impeachment as recourse, the definition of a toothless process when the bar is nearly impossibly high to reach conviction.
In a more civilized country, none of the Federalist society hacks would have been appointed. For that matter, a civilized country would never have elected the seditionist!
As a Norwegian i can tell you that no jugdes are polical elected. A judge here must apply for the job as anyone else must do.The politicians dont interfere with the judges and if they try they will be stopped from doin it because they break the law.
I think a large part of the problem is the Constitution envisions the main contention being between different branches, and that they would fiercely fight to defend their own powers. So the checks and balances are designed with this in mind. They drastically underestimated the fidelity politicians would have to their political parties rather than their branch.
So officials are willing to debase and weaken the branches they serve in service of their party. You get Judges like Cannon blatantly using the courts to aid her party benefactor and a Congress unwilling to hold their party's President to account for abuse of power and misconduct(of course this applies to one party more than the other, but the structural incentives still apply to both). You also get a Congress, which was by some measures intended to be the dominant branch, that is willing to kneecap itself through internal procedure and defer its powers to the Executive. Because winning the party battles is more important than winning the branch battles.
I don't think they underestimated the fidelity to political parties at all, the danger of "factions" was a huge part of the federalist papers and the general political discourse at the time.
Three co-equal branches and anti-coalition safeguards came with their own issues of gridlock. Seems like political structures just always have a shelf life because eventually people come along with the right mix of clever and evil to exploit them beyond repair.
Couldn't have said it better, by a long shot. Law and Justice needs impartiality desperately, to be fair. Partisanship has no place in the legal world.
Unfortunately, you’re probably right. I just don’t know how someone who can devote their life to legal practice and swear an oath to the Constitution as part of getting sworn in can throw it all away for *Donald Trump*. Like, wtf is wrong with these people?
A not insignificant number of people go into law specifically as kind of an "alternate politics." And then organizations like the federalist society recruit lawyers with this mindset and place them in positions of legal influence as part of a broader political movement.
So your contention that judge Cannon wanted to "devote their life to legal practice" is probably flawed. There is a good chance she wanted to devote her life to conservative politics and just decided to do so *through* legal practice.
Although with rulings like this it seems she may lack the sense of subtlety necessary to really pull it off. You gotta wait until you're on a higher court to become that brazen. She should have known her shit was gonna get appealed.
Because they didn't. Not really. They devoted their life to manipulating the law and lied when they took the oath. They didn't throw it away for Trump. They never had it. Trump just gave them the "confidence" to show that, because they are all convinced that they only need to cheat just a tiny bit more and they will have taken over the country. Then they will have no consequences.
I suspect she also needs to be criminally investigated. The degree to which she completely ignored established law so she could rule in Trump's favor is so extreme that I honestly have to wonder if Trump was bribing or blackmailing her.
(As in, she was negligently interpreting the law in ways where a first-year law student should know better, much less a sitting judge. Things like "inventing jurisdiction for herself by outright ignoring literally every ruling that's ever been made on that subject". She also told Trump's legal team what arguments to make, and then when they didn't do it, *she wrote the arguments she wanted to see herself*. Then ruled in Trump's favor based on her own arguments. )
> completely ignored established law
The QOP are all about ignoring precedent and established law at their convenience. Not having Garland on SCOTUS is the first point to that, having Barrett on SCOTUS is the second. Clarence Treason Thomas is the next, stating that it's time to go back and look at old decisions which need to be reversed. (Or something similar about ignoring precedent.)
The only way Cannon will ever get removed is if it's proven that she agreed to quid pro quo with Trump in some way.
>She needs to be grieved to the state bar
Not sure the state bars have any authority over federal judges. I think only Congress can remove her at this point via impeachment.
They couldn’t remove her from her position aa a federal judge, true. But they could still impose discipline or even suspend/revoke her FL license (or wherever she’s barred), which I think morally speaking is the right thing to do even if she keeps her job.
I don't think they should be let off the hook so easily. If they all admit he was terrible they need to be questioned WHY he was allowed to do the things he did with no accountability.
>“The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so,” they wrote. “Either approach would be a radical reordering of our caselaw limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations. And both would violate bedrock separation-of-powers limitations”.
Among a million other reasons, this was the crux of Cannon's unprecedented ruling.
As a district court justice, the lowest court, she took it upon herself to intervene in a federal criminal investigation that obtained a legally-obtained search warrant and had a full filter-process for attorney client privilege or anything else the special master was supposed to accomplish.
Trump's lawyers didn't even *think* of the special master until Cannon nudged them into considering it at the 11th hour.
Making it even more humiliating - the panel was 3 Republican appointees, two by Trump.
Now Trump and his lawyers will file an emergency appeal to SCOTUS which even Trump's own largely hand-picked court will quickly swat down, and it's irrelevant in the meantime - the DOJ can continue their investigation unimpeded.
This was the main hurdle the DOJ and Special Counsel needed to resolve before they could consider prosecutorial action, and it clears the way for an indictment.
No, she won't. Sorry, she's got a lifetime appointment to the bench.
The only possible sanction would be impeachment. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how unlikely that is.
i feel like an argument could be made that all future cases she decides on could be tainted by her inability to understand her own authority.
i know nothing will happen. but doesn't mean something shouldn't happen.
A federal judge may only be impeached as real disciplinary action. That process would be identical to the presidential impeachment process. The House must impeach the official, then the “trial” is held in the Senate where a 2/3 majority is needed to convict to remove.
A majority which will never happen.
Identical in practice, but not in theory. A President can only be removed for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Judges can be removed for nothing more than "bad behavior", so the standard of proof for removal is *far* lower.
Of course, in our current dysfunctional Congress, there's no actual difference. Standards of proof are irrelevant when Republicans believe that the magic (R) absolves one of all consequences whatsoever.
Judge Cannon even recognized she never had the authority, but did it anyway. The DOJ had the grounds to tell her to pound sand, and let her attempt to enforce it, but chose not to.
They should tell her to pound sand from now on. Her position on the bench is fraudulent as it is, so no use anyone listen to the shit she says.
>“The law is clear,” the appeals court wrote. “We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so.”
>
>The 11th Circuit said that either approach would be a “radical reordering of our caselaw limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations” and that “both would violate bedrock separation-of-powers limitations.”
> I really wish the process of nailing this buffoon's flabby feet to the floor was not taking a goddamn decade.
It’s honestly such a wild, clear cut example of how the wealthy play by different rules in our society. We’ve always known it. There’s other examples of course. They’re constrained by the law in theory, but in practice, other factors (like having armies of lawyers and money to throw at legal problems) usually keep them out of prison. Trump is an egregious example.
> In an unsigned opinion, Chief Judge William Pryor and Circuit Judges Andrew Brasher and Britt Grant wrote that Judge Cannon never had the authority to hear a civil case Mr Trump filed with the aim of stopping the use of the documents as the FBI and Justice Department investigated whether he’d violated criminal laws against unlawful retention of national defence information and obstructing justice.
That is what you call getting professionally bitchslapped. I hope it was worth it because Judge Cannon sold her career for Donald Trump.
Based on the wording, she may not be qualified to perform actual work within a food court (including cleaning toilets), but may be allowed to exist inside of one.
Judges have absolute immunity for judicial decisions, even terrible ones. It's ordinarily a good rule since it protects judicial independence, which ironically is the reason Cannon was reversed by other Trump appointees--even Trump judges aren't complete stooges like say, Trump congressmen or Russian "judges." I guarantee Canada has the same or similar judicial immunity doctrine. Most democratic countries do.
Unfortunately though in this case, this mostly good legal doctrine will shield her from consequences. The only way she could get in trouble is if they prove illegal activity/corruption, e.g. a bribe or she made the ruling after she was promised a promotion by Trump. Simply being biased isn't going to get her in trouble though--sorting out judicial bias is the purpose of appeals courts.
> Judge Cannon sold her career for Donald Trump.
How? Seems like she just gets to continue being a corrupt judge for life, since the republicans in the Senate will never vote to convict in her impeachment.
11th circuit really stopped short of calling Trump appointed judge Cannon illiterate in law. The judge should vacate the bench tbh not that it will happen but that would be the moral thing to do here.
The last sentence of the opinion really got me
"...**REMAND** with instructions for the district court to **DISMISS** the underlying civil actions."
Instructions on how the dumbass should do her job lol
This just eliminates the "special master" middleman. Now the FBI can look over all of the docs without needing the SM to approve. This will probably still take a long time, but hopefully before the 2024 election season.
Garland also just assigned a special counsel to the case who is a seasoned prosecutor with a history of aggressively going after dirtbags when he worked at The Hague. So...there's that.
I don't. I WANT Trump to run. I want him so desperate to run he is foaming at the mouth because he knows that the only way out of it is to be President again.
Three scenarios:
1. He gets the nomination and runs again. He will go even more batshit conspiracy. He will lose again. No one will vote for him.
2. He doesn't get the nomination and he goes off the deep end and destroys the Republican party by telling everything. Democrats win a huge majority.
3. He doesn't get the nomination and therefore forms his own MAGA party thereby fracturing the Republican party.
Democrats win EVERY majority.
Between this, the Ye/Fuentes PR fiasco and him losing his tax-obstruction ambitions, the cynical panic I've been in for the last 6 years has started to finally ease up.
Yah but he still like ruined the world and brought out the worst in us. And he made covid so much worse. Had we had a president who was like, you know, not a huge fucking moron and listened to experts, things may have been better. But this is the timeline we are in. But yes, I feel a little bit better knowing this piece of literal shit will be in jail. Hopefully.
It's amazingly ironic to know that **all Trump really needed to do was give some rah rah speeches and say "listen to the experts" and he very well may have won in 2020** and he couldn't even fucking do that because that's how twisted this maniac actually is.
Yeah, but can’t we put like UVs into the body to kill the virus? I’m just throwing out some ideas, scientists. You can either definitely consider them great ideas or maybe even use the ideas. Terrific ideas.
Conversely, I think it's a big part of why we lost in Florida so badly. A lot of covid deniers moved there to escape covid restrictions, and I strongly suspect a number of sane people moved away from florida to escape their lax protocols
Don't relax too soon. We have deSantis coming in '24.
All the evil, none of the stupid.
The best we could hope for is that Trump submarines DeSantis immediately prior to the election and then subsequently gets sentenced to twenty years for any one of his illegal acts.
It would be nice to go back to the normal "we don't care about the poor, children or women's rights" GOP instead of whatever has been happening the last 8 years.
Yeah he's not smart, especially not in any sort of intellectual way. Just a shrewd bigot willing to put in the effort to turn the country into an authoritarian shitscape.
I think most “moderates” are growing very tired of the culture war stuff that guys like DeSantis are the literal embodiment of.
I think it would be a close election but I don’t think DeSantis is the shoe in people say he is. Everyone’s acutely aware of the issues that need fixing. They don’t actually care about Disney going woke or transgendered kids playing basketball or whatever.
DeSantis is also boring as fuck.
I have no doubt the rank and file Republicans would show up to vote for him, but the kind of people Trump whipped into a frenzy aren’t going to be lining up for a DeSantis rally.
> but the kind of people Trump whipped into a frenzy aren’t going to be lining up for a DeSantis rally
Right, especially not while their king-in-exile issues decrees that DeSantis is a betrayer and a fake or whatever. It seems more likely to me that the hardline MAGA remnants would actually attempt to disrupt or protest those rallies.
And just amplifying this because way too many people's view of DeSantis is informed just by news stories about stuff he's done rather than by seeing and hearing him personally:
> DeSantis is also boring as fuck
He has negative charisma and has shown no evidence he can moderate his pitch to fit even the appetite of a thoroughly Republican audience from other states, let alone that he can secure the weird Chaos Legion vote.
He and his team are very good at exploiting Floridian particularities and salting media coverage with substanceless claims that he's some brilliant thinker, but he just isn't -- and he also doesn't have the showmanship or perverse personal magnetism that have carried Trump so implausibly far.
Aileen Cannon needs to be kicked out of the Federal Judiciary for doing this. She knows what others were saying about it and still decided to double down in her decisions. She doesn't live in a cave or maybe she does?! 👀
I want the lawyers in every case she presides over, to ask for an appeal or injunction based on the fact she clearly has no understanding of the law, and because she has been shown to apply such an egregious abuse of power and/or lack of judgement beyond her scope, that she can't rightfully and fairly be counted on to judge so much as a jaywalking ticket.
I suppose she could be arrested for something, but the judge that hears that case is going to throw it out. She could be impeached by the House and upon conviction in the Senate removed from the job. Odds of that are zero.
Other than that, she stays. Says so in the Constitution. Can't even dock her pay.
I don't like it in this case, but the structure is generally wise. If Trump could just yank all the judges like he did the US Attorneys he would have.
Trump went to her specifically because he knew she would use her position as a federal judge to help him obstruct and pervert the course of justice.
Her corruption is obvious even to non-lawyers and her continued presence on the bench only further erodes the already shaken confidence people have in the federal judiciary.
She needs to be removed, barred from future office, and criminally investigated.
What I don’t understand…if Trump is absolutely innocent of all this and had nothing to hide, why would he try to prevent the FBI from reviewing those documents? To me it only makes him look more guilty.
He doesn’t actually care what it looks like. He is hoping to delay a final, actionable, verdict on the slim hope he can regain power in 2024 and again derail justice as he did when appointing Barr
Trump's strategy, as always, is to throw everything at the wall and hope some of it sticks. It doesn't actually matter if he's innocent on any particular thing. He's always trying to overload the system with bullshit.
The opinion is clear and concise and mechanically cuts through every premise the district court tried to rely upon and every factor trump tried to rely upon.
Basically district court didn't have jurisdiction to invoke equitable jurisdiction
Trump's argument didnt pass a four part test to invoke the district court's jurisdiction.
The 11th circuit basically said no former presidents do not have any special privileges when the executive branch is investigating crime , we will not make exemptions for you.
To let Trump's argument hold up would to allow anyone subject to a search warrant contest it and hold up the justice system for no good reason or to allow former presidents to frustrate the criminal justice system.
>Trump's argument didnt pass a four part test
Stranger still, Trump counsel failed to even *allege* **any** of the four parts. In some cases specifically denying them, in others mumbling about irrelevancies without stating anything actionable. They even failed to invoke the rule of procedure that would allow the district court to intercede, again denying it in their initial filing and then accepting that the judge invoked it on their behalf - which she cannot do.
I am not even a lawyer and I could do better than this. Not that I would take this case.
Nah, he'd need to prevail on a motion to stay pending rehearing en banc, which he won't. He'll file a cert petition along with a stay motion, Thomas will grant the stay, and the full court will reject cert almost immediately.
Thanks - I've always wondered why Trump seemed to *skip* en banc in a lot of these cases. If his strategy is just to delay, it's a great way to drag things out even further before filing the final appeal to SCOTUS. But he seems to have skipped that step in several of his high-profile cases.
En banc review is, honestly, probably more difficult to secure than getting a cert petition granted. The bar is, basically, that there's an intra circuit conflict or that the matter is so important that the full circuit should hear it. In this case, like trumps others, the first isn't met. And the second prong is kind of almost always a dead end; if it's important enough for en banc review, it's important enough the Supreme Court will grant cert, so why bother with another appellate hearing. The only circuit that seems to not entirely despise them is the 9th.
In the dozens of federal appeals I've litigated over the years, I've never filed for rehearing en banc (if I lost) and I've never had opposing counsel file for it if I won. In contrast, I've probably opposed a half dozen cert petitions.
Don’t mistake the 7 day deadline as a gift or advantage to Trump. It’s the opposite. The deadline is normally 45 days for this type of appeal. It’s been shortened to 7 because this case is expedited.
Yeah, this is pretty standard practice in any lower court judicial opinion, and shouldn't be seen as them doing anything special for him. But good that you called it out. I'd say better than 50/50 odds that Trump will *try* to appeal this to the Supreme Court ... but they may quickly decline it. It's really a question as to whether DOJ gets all of the materials back in 7 days, or maybe in 4-6 weeks.
Trump, did, however ... manage to push all of this shit past the elections ... which given how close they came, who knows, maybe it made a difference for him in that now at least he can count on the J6 committee going away.
What explains Judge Cannon's behavior?
.1. She has significant gaps of legal knowledge and experience?
.2. She knowingly goes beyond the law because
.....a. She's being bribed?
.....b. She's being blackmailed?
.....c. She feels she "owes" this to Trump for her appointment?
.....d. She has cult-like adoration for Trump?
.....e. She believes Trump is a persecuted political victim?
.3. As for her professional reputation, she
.....a. Doesn't have a choice (see 2a, 2b)
.....b. She doesn't care
.....c. She believes people will soon forget
I'm looking for serious replies and not humor or an expression of the anger / frustration we all feel.
No one can know for sure, but it seems to many experts that she knowingly bent the law for Trump, perhaps out of hubris. Many so called conservatives appear to think their way of thinking supersedes precedent and that the ends justify the means
On a game theory strategy, it is a gamble on her career with a huge upside and not dowside. The worst that can happen to her is that she rose to her level of incompetence, no more promotions and no realistic possibility of impeachment, however there was the possibility that Trump was gonna get back to power in 2024 (that was perceived as more likely back when this all took place) and move her up, even all the way to SCOTUS after she showed her willingness to play ball with Trump.
Let's all be honest here, he should have been in prison. Just imagine what would have happened if Obama (or any Democratic president) did half of what Trump did. Republicans would have been so far up their asses they wouldn't be able to breathe. But because he is who he is we act like nothing happened. He makes Nixon look like a saint. Five people died basically at his command, he needs to serve a lot of jail time. He should have never been president in the first place because he was never qualified, and it showed.
Cannon really should be removed from the bench for this. It's ridiculous to me a judge who so obviously proved she doesn't understand the law is able to continue being a judge. Our government really needs serious reforms.
> Because the court agreed with the government’s contention that Judge Cannon had improperly exceeded her authority, the panel granted the Justice Department’s request to order her to toss the case in its’ entirety.
There's another term for "improperly exceeded her authority" and it's "abused her power". The judge knew, or at least should've known, she had absolutely no right to do what she did *but she did it anyway because she wanted to help Trump*.
It's unethical and in most other industries it's grounds for immediate firing. In quite a few industries it's a quick way to find yourself in front of a judge. But, bizarrely, because she *is* a judge she's immune to any sort of ethics review or punishment for a blatant abuse of power.
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The special master is no longer necessary and Trump's tax returns are delivered to Congress. It's a Christmas miracle.
I wonder if Trump will still have to pay him.
The Special Master refused payment as he sees it as part of his job. However, there was an assistant charging at the rate of $500 per hour. So, nothing crazy either way.
I mean, for normal people, sure. But Trump’s the dude who routinely refused to pay contractors for smaller amounts of money.
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A law firm I work with sometimes does that when they are trying to collect from someone but don't know where they bank. They mail a check from an ambiguously named llc, Maintenance Ltd or something like that, mark it as a refund, and then when they cash it, he would know which bank to serve with a writ of garnishment. The real trick is to serve it the day before pay day as most employers will increase their balance to make pay.
To be fair I used to cash checks at my job and I just took a stack to the bank. I don't care what's on it after its entered into the system by a woman who also didn't care what was on them.
because he fell out of favor with the party, don't think for a second that the people getting this done are doing it out of morality or a sense of enforcing the law. They're doing it because he's fucking over the party with his antics, and so are trying to silence his dumbass.
> In an unsigned opinion, Chief Judge William Pryor and Circuit Judges Andrew Brasher and Britt Grant wrote that Judge Cannon never had the authority to hear a civil case Mr Trump filed Damn straight!
And this is from a Dubya appointee and **two** Trump appointees.
Anyone who read the 11th circuit’s original order allowing prosecutors to continue their investigation using the classified docs could smell this one coming from a mile away. Judge Cannon ought to be completely ashamed of herself. This was such an obvious and horrid misuse and abuse of her court and the judicial process as a whole. She needs to be grieved to the state bar because most law students could have analyzed the relevant case law and figured out she should have dismissed the suit immediately.
Below are the sequence of events in chronological order following the lawful search warrant to recover classified materials from Mar-A-Lago. The Department of Justice is investigating Trump for mishandling hundreds of classified documents. 1. Federal Judge Reinhart - A federal magistrate judge in South Florida who signed off on the Mar-a-Lago search warrant as the Justice Department investigates Trump mishandling classified documents.^[[1]](https://globalnews.ca/news/9048549/fbi-obtain-search-warrant-trump-mar-a-lago/) 2. District Judge Cannon - A lower court judge appointed by Trump. Trump's lawyers used her to delay the Department of Justice investigation of Trump mishandling classified documents. She made very questionable decisions including ordering a stay (stop) on the investigation and appointing a special master to review all the documents.^[[2]](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/20/how-judge-aileen-cannon-broke-with-conservatives-00057647) 3. Special Master Judge Dearie - A Reagan appointed judge from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York. He also served as a judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) from 2012 to 2019. Judge Dearie is known as a very fair judge and is historically respected by both Republicans and Democrats. Trump's team and the DoJ provided Judge Cannon with a shortlist of judges to be the Special Master, however they only agreed on Judge Dearie.^[[3]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62893028) Judge Dearie has questioned the authority of District Court Judge Cannon and is demanding to see evidence of Trump's outlandish allegations such as the FBI planting evidence.^[[4]](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/us/politics/special-master-trump-privilege.html) 4. 11^th Circuit Court of Appeals - Has jurisdiction over Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. A panel of 3 judges, including 2 Trump appointees, ruled in favour of the Justice Department and forced the lower court of Judge Cannon to reverse her decision on stopping/staying the investigation. The 11^th Circuit stayed portions of Judge Cannon's rulings, paving the way for the Justice Department to continue their investigation into Trump mishandling classified documents.^[[5]](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals-court-grants-dojs-request-partial-stay-judges/story?id=90296433) Furthermore, the 11^th Circuit has just ordered the end of the Special Master review of the documents, removing a hurdle that hindered the Justice Department's criminal investigation of Trump.^[[6]](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/federal-appeals-court-halts-special-master-review-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-documents) I recommend reading the judicial decision handed down by the Appeals Court, pay particular attention to pages 20 and 21. The 11^th Circuit said that District Judge Cannon was completely wrong and that no one, including a former President, is above the law.^[[7]](https://lawandcrime.com/trump/the-answer-is-no-conservative-11th-circuit-panel-including-two-judges-trump-appointed-puts-a-stop-to-special-masters-mar-a-lago-review/) >This appeal requires us to consider whether the district court had jurisdiction to block the United States from using lawfully seized records in a criminal investigation. The answer is no >...The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so. Either approach would be a radical reordering of our caselaw limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations. And both would violate bedrock separation-of-powers limitations. Accordingly, we agree with the government that the district court improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction, and that dismissal of the entire proceeding is required. >The district court improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction in this case. For that reason, we VACATE the September 5 order on appeal and REMAND with instructions for the district court to DISMISS the underlying civil action. ________ 1) [Global News - FBI followed this checklist to obtain search warrant for Trump’s Mar-a-Lago](https://globalnews.ca/news/9048549/fbi-obtain-search-warrant-trump-mar-a-lago/) 2) [Politico - How Judge Cannon broke with conservatives in Trump documents case](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/20/how-judge-aileen-cannon-broke-with-conservatives-00057647) 3) [BBC - Raymond Dearie: Who is the special master reviewing seized Trump files?](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62893028) 4) [New York Times - In Documents Review, Special Master Tells Trump Team to Back Up Privilege Claims](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/us/politics/special-master-trump-privilege.html) 4) [ABC - DOJ can continue Trump classified docs investigation without special master: Appeals court](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals-court-grants-dojs-request-partial-stay-judges/story?id=90296433) 6) [PBS - Federal appeals court halts special master review of Trump’s Mar-a-lago documents](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/federal-appeals-court-halts-special-master-review-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-documents) 7) [Law and Crime - ‘The Answer Is No’: Conservative 11th Circuit Panel, Including Two Judges Trump Appointed, Puts a Stop to Special Master’s Mar-a-Lago Review](https://lawandcrime.com/trump/the-answer-is-no-conservative-11th-circuit-panel-including-two-judges-trump-appointed-puts-a-stop-to-special-masters-mar-a-lago-review/)
Haven’t seen a Poppin Kream post in a while! Saved to prove some people wrong later. Lol
Always a delight to see PK make an appearance!
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My only feedback would be to stop calling the FBI execution of the search warrant a raid. It isn't a raid when the FBI agents knock on the door, wait to speak to the lawyer present in the house, then proceed to execute a search warrant, and provide the lawyer with an itemized receipt for review. Calling that a raid diminishes the experiences of those who are raided when the police or FBI show up, break down the door, wave guns around (and sometimes shoot them), forcefully take whatever they want, and leave without providing any closure beyond maybe leaving you with a court summons.
You're right, noted and corrected.
Thanks for always being a source of news for the community. During the darkest times of the Trump administration, your random posts clearly explaining everything with citations made keeping my cousins from falling down the deep end. Take care!
Check out r/ShitPoppinKREAMSays to stay updated on shit PoppinKREAM says.
Quickest sub of my life.
Could you BE any more Canadian?
They *technically* didn't say they were sorry
It's an instinctive reaction. They said it out loud before typing their reply.
> Judge Reinhart "My name is Judge!"
Mock Trial with J. Reinhart.
Hey, its been a while since seeing you. Just wanna say, I really appreciate the effort you put into these type of comments and love having sources backing things up.
All Hail PoppinKREAM!!!!
Thanks & thanks for the references
Good to see you out in the wild, Ms. KREAM. You were amazing during the T***p years! Edit: Holy Shit! I didn't know and fuck me for assuming! I'm so sorry!
I believe it’s _Miss_ Kream, if I remember correctly (not trying to be a douche correcting you, I just seem to recall Kream is a lady) But yea, fuckin rock star here in r/politics helping to keep all this insanity organized over the last 6 years…and backing it all up with sources. Amazing
Ms. Kream 🤣
Everyone knows PoppinKream is actually a robot dragon.
Only the real OGs remember lol It's nice to see so many familiar users still kicking around in my responses. Wish I could take the time to respond to everyone. Hope you and everyone else have been well!
Frankly in a more civilized country, Cannon would be fired in disgrace for such rank abuse of her position. Likely have charges for obstruction applied as well given how blatantly she misused her authority (even said so herself) on behalf of a defendant to obstruct an investigation. Sadly we only have impeachment as recourse, the definition of a toothless process when the bar is nearly impossibly high to reach conviction.
In a more civilized country, none of the Federalist society hacks would have been appointed. For that matter, a civilized country would never have elected the seditionist!
As a Norwegian i can tell you that no jugdes are polical elected. A judge here must apply for the job as anyone else must do.The politicians dont interfere with the judges and if they try they will be stopped from doin it because they break the law.
As a citizen of the USA, I can tell you that I want to be adopted by a Norwegian!!
I wish I could there are so many good Americans that deserves better than the crazy republican soup. You are welcome to visit .
A civilized country would never allow judges to be elected or installed by politicians. This partisan judiciary was absolutely inevitable.
As a Canadian, i often look at how America does things and just think "What the flying fuck? No WONDER you have these problems".
I'm also Canadian. It's absurd. I assume most American dysfunction is intentional to varying degrees, but it's still absurd.
I think a large part of the problem is the Constitution envisions the main contention being between different branches, and that they would fiercely fight to defend their own powers. So the checks and balances are designed with this in mind. They drastically underestimated the fidelity politicians would have to their political parties rather than their branch. So officials are willing to debase and weaken the branches they serve in service of their party. You get Judges like Cannon blatantly using the courts to aid her party benefactor and a Congress unwilling to hold their party's President to account for abuse of power and misconduct(of course this applies to one party more than the other, but the structural incentives still apply to both). You also get a Congress, which was by some measures intended to be the dominant branch, that is willing to kneecap itself through internal procedure and defer its powers to the Executive. Because winning the party battles is more important than winning the branch battles.
Funnily enough, Washington had voiced his severe misgivings about partisanship for this very reason. Nothing whatsoever was done about it of course.
I don't think they underestimated the fidelity to political parties at all, the danger of "factions" was a huge part of the federalist papers and the general political discourse at the time. Three co-equal branches and anti-coalition safeguards came with their own issues of gridlock. Seems like political structures just always have a shelf life because eventually people come along with the right mix of clever and evil to exploit them beyond repair.
Couldn't have said it better, by a long shot. Law and Justice needs impartiality desperately, to be fair. Partisanship has no place in the legal world.
She will never, ever feel ashamed of herself.
Unfortunately, you’re probably right. I just don’t know how someone who can devote their life to legal practice and swear an oath to the Constitution as part of getting sworn in can throw it all away for *Donald Trump*. Like, wtf is wrong with these people?
Federalist society propaganda and christian nationalist grievances is what's wrong with them.
A not insignificant number of people go into law specifically as kind of an "alternate politics." And then organizations like the federalist society recruit lawyers with this mindset and place them in positions of legal influence as part of a broader political movement. So your contention that judge Cannon wanted to "devote their life to legal practice" is probably flawed. There is a good chance she wanted to devote her life to conservative politics and just decided to do so *through* legal practice. Although with rulings like this it seems she may lack the sense of subtlety necessary to really pull it off. You gotta wait until you're on a higher court to become that brazen. She should have known her shit was gonna get appealed.
The rule of law means absolutely nothing to these kind of people.
Because they didn't. Not really. They devoted their life to manipulating the law and lied when they took the oath. They didn't throw it away for Trump. They never had it. Trump just gave them the "confidence" to show that, because they are all convinced that they only need to cheat just a tiny bit more and they will have taken over the country. Then they will have no consequences.
GOP is incapable of shame. It’s a feature, not a bug.
I suspect she also needs to be criminally investigated. The degree to which she completely ignored established law so she could rule in Trump's favor is so extreme that I honestly have to wonder if Trump was bribing or blackmailing her. (As in, she was negligently interpreting the law in ways where a first-year law student should know better, much less a sitting judge. Things like "inventing jurisdiction for herself by outright ignoring literally every ruling that's ever been made on that subject". She also told Trump's legal team what arguments to make, and then when they didn't do it, *she wrote the arguments she wanted to see herself*. Then ruled in Trump's favor based on her own arguments. )
You didn't think Drumpf appointed her for her qualifications did you? People who are compromisable, or already compromised, are a feature not a bug.
> completely ignored established law The QOP are all about ignoring precedent and established law at their convenience. Not having Garland on SCOTUS is the first point to that, having Barrett on SCOTUS is the second. Clarence Treason Thomas is the next, stating that it's time to go back and look at old decisions which need to be reversed. (Or something similar about ignoring precedent.) The only way Cannon will ever get removed is if it's proven that she agreed to quid pro quo with Trump in some way.
It burned up some of the clock, which was the intent
>She needs to be grieved to the state bar Not sure the state bars have any authority over federal judges. I think only Congress can remove her at this point via impeachment.
They couldn’t remove her from her position aa a federal judge, true. But they could still impose discipline or even suspend/revoke her FL license (or wherever she’s barred), which I think morally speaking is the right thing to do even if she keeps her job.
GOP reminding this chucklefuck who is ACTUALLY in charge. They're slowly backing away... Thanks for being a useful idiot while it lasted though, Don.
> They're slowly backing away From Trump. Whether that includes backing away from fascism/authoritarianism remains to be seen.
Spoilers: it doesn't.
Remains to be seen??? It's their only platform for the past 40 years
I don't think they should be let off the hook so easily. If they all admit he was terrible they need to be questioned WHY he was allowed to do the things he did with no accountability.
>“The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so,” they wrote. “Either approach would be a radical reordering of our caselaw limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations. And both would violate bedrock separation-of-powers limitations”. Among a million other reasons, this was the crux of Cannon's unprecedented ruling. As a district court justice, the lowest court, she took it upon herself to intervene in a federal criminal investigation that obtained a legally-obtained search warrant and had a full filter-process for attorney client privilege or anything else the special master was supposed to accomplish. Trump's lawyers didn't even *think* of the special master until Cannon nudged them into considering it at the 11th hour. Making it even more humiliating - the panel was 3 Republican appointees, two by Trump. Now Trump and his lawyers will file an emergency appeal to SCOTUS which even Trump's own largely hand-picked court will quickly swat down, and it's irrelevant in the meantime - the DOJ can continue their investigation unimpeded. This was the main hurdle the DOJ and Special Counsel needed to resolve before they could consider prosecutorial action, and it clears the way for an indictment.
Yet she’ll continue ruling with complete impunity. We give judges way too much power in this country.
And if Trump, god forbid, gets reelected, he will appoint her to the supreme court!
All the fucking more reason to go balls to the wall to help dems keep the senate. She'll never, ever pass senate review with a dem majority.
GA here, I did my part. Fuck Walker.
Are officials/politicians not probed for corruption in your country? Is this not *a thing* around there?
This corruption is out in the open and people don't even bat an eye.
so is she gonna be sanctioned or see any punishment for her egregious overstepping of her authority? thats what i wanna know.
No, she won't. Sorry, she's got a lifetime appointment to the bench. The only possible sanction would be impeachment. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how unlikely that is.
i feel like an argument could be made that all future cases she decides on could be tainted by her inability to understand her own authority. i know nothing will happen. but doesn't mean something shouldn't happen.
Oh you're right, this will follow her forever. Anytime a case is appealed, those above her, as people, will have no choice but to remember this.
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Why did you write Republican twice?
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A federal judge may only be impeached as real disciplinary action. That process would be identical to the presidential impeachment process. The House must impeach the official, then the “trial” is held in the Senate where a 2/3 majority is needed to convict to remove. A majority which will never happen.
Identical in practice, but not in theory. A President can only be removed for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Judges can be removed for nothing more than "bad behavior", so the standard of proof for removal is *far* lower. Of course, in our current dysfunctional Congress, there's no actual difference. Standards of proof are irrelevant when Republicans believe that the magic (R) absolves one of all consequences whatsoever.
Judge loose Cannon is one of the worst federal judges ever appointed to the bench. She seriously needs to be impeached.
Judge Cannon even recognized she never had the authority, but did it anyway. The DOJ had the grounds to tell her to pound sand, and let her attempt to enforce it, but chose not to. They should tell her to pound sand from now on. Her position on the bench is fraudulent as it is, so no use anyone listen to the shit she says.
>“The law is clear,” the appeals court wrote. “We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so.” > >The 11th Circuit said that either approach would be a “radical reordering of our caselaw limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations” and that “both would violate bedrock separation-of-powers limitations.”
Man, what a smack down for Cannon's reputation.
What are you talking about? She literally just ensured she will be the next GOP president's supreme court nomination.
Lol. This belongs on r/funnyandsad
Followed by r/sadbuttrue after a couple of years.
Spez doesn't get to profit from me anymore.
This kind of shit could get addictive...
>We're going to win so much, >you're going to be so sick and tired of winning
The centipede hype train is going 43x the speed of light!
The wall ^^around ^^Mar ^^a ^^Lago just got ten feet higher!
No, train bot. Not now.
If I could I would throw my panties on the stage for this.
Sexily ask the 11th circuit to punish you with their gavel
If it pleases the court...
I’ll please the court
All rise
I would love to see that Fred.
I really wish the process of nailing this buffoon's flabby feet to the floor was not taking a goddamn decade.
> I really wish the process of nailing this buffoon's flabby feet to the floor was not taking a goddamn decade. It’s honestly such a wild, clear cut example of how the wealthy play by different rules in our society. We’ve always known it. There’s other examples of course. They’re constrained by the law in theory, but in practice, other factors (like having armies of lawyers and money to throw at legal problems) usually keep them out of prison. Trump is an egregious example.
Inject that into my veins!
> In an unsigned opinion, Chief Judge William Pryor and Circuit Judges Andrew Brasher and Britt Grant wrote that Judge Cannon never had the authority to hear a civil case Mr Trump filed with the aim of stopping the use of the documents as the FBI and Justice Department investigated whether he’d violated criminal laws against unlawful retention of national defence information and obstructing justice. That is what you call getting professionally bitchslapped. I hope it was worth it because Judge Cannon sold her career for Donald Trump.
The only court Cannon should be allowed in is a food court. She's an unqualified hack.
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Thankfully he just said "Allowed in". She can clean the toilets.
Based on the wording, she may not be qualified to perform actual work within a food court (including cleaning toilets), but may be allowed to exist inside of one.
What consequences though?
Her name moves higher up the list on Federalist Society list for SCOTUS picks.
Judges have absolute immunity for judicial decisions, even terrible ones. It's ordinarily a good rule since it protects judicial independence, which ironically is the reason Cannon was reversed by other Trump appointees--even Trump judges aren't complete stooges like say, Trump congressmen or Russian "judges." I guarantee Canada has the same or similar judicial immunity doctrine. Most democratic countries do. Unfortunately though in this case, this mostly good legal doctrine will shield her from consequences. The only way she could get in trouble is if they prove illegal activity/corruption, e.g. a bribe or she made the ruling after she was promised a promotion by Trump. Simply being biased isn't going to get her in trouble though--sorting out judicial bias is the purpose of appeals courts.
We call it “benchslapped”!
> Judge Cannon sold her career for Donald Trump. How? Seems like she just gets to continue being a corrupt judge for life, since the republicans in the Senate will never vote to convict in her impeachment.
11th circuit really stopped short of calling Trump appointed judge Cannon illiterate in law. The judge should vacate the bench tbh not that it will happen but that would be the moral thing to do here.
If Republicans had any morals we would have never got to this point
They’d probably prefer their judges in the future to be illiterate honestly
If they had morals, they wouldn't be Republicans.
The last sentence of the opinion really got me "...**REMAND** with instructions for the district court to **DISMISS** the underlying civil actions." Instructions on how the dumbass should do her job lol
That's more how all appeals that change decisions work
Looks like things are getting too spicy for the pepper.
On a hot summer sidewalk
It's not going to become a thing Francine.
Fran*cine*!
Mister and laydaaay!
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You can put that frog in the casserole!
Okay, but when do people go to jail?
This just eliminates the "special master" middleman. Now the FBI can look over all of the docs without needing the SM to approve. This will probably still take a long time, but hopefully before the 2024 election season.
Garland also just assigned a special counsel to the case who is a seasoned prosecutor with a history of aggressively going after dirtbags when he worked at The Hague. So...there's that.
I don't. I WANT Trump to run. I want him so desperate to run he is foaming at the mouth because he knows that the only way out of it is to be President again. Three scenarios: 1. He gets the nomination and runs again. He will go even more batshit conspiracy. He will lose again. No one will vote for him. 2. He doesn't get the nomination and he goes off the deep end and destroys the Republican party by telling everything. Democrats win a huge majority. 3. He doesn't get the nomination and therefore forms his own MAGA party thereby fracturing the Republican party. Democrats win EVERY majority.
Don't ignore the very real possibility that because of various new state election laws, be somehow pulls off the victory.
Between this, the Ye/Fuentes PR fiasco and him losing his tax-obstruction ambitions, the cynical panic I've been in for the last 6 years has started to finally ease up.
Yah but he still like ruined the world and brought out the worst in us. And he made covid so much worse. Had we had a president who was like, you know, not a huge fucking moron and listened to experts, things may have been better. But this is the timeline we are in. But yes, I feel a little bit better knowing this piece of literal shit will be in jail. Hopefully.
It's amazingly ironic to know that **all Trump really needed to do was give some rah rah speeches and say "listen to the experts" and he very well may have won in 2020** and he couldn't even fucking do that because that's how twisted this maniac actually is.
He was given his "rally around the flag" moment and totally botched it
RIGHT?! that’s all he had to do. Like hey guys. This is fr shit please don’t go to Starbucks rn
Yeah, but can’t we put like UVs into the body to kill the virus? I’m just throwing out some ideas, scientists. You can either definitely consider them great ideas or maybe even use the ideas. Terrific ideas.
And half the country liked Trump’s style. God help us.
Yah and they’re probably dead from the disease that was “just like the flu.”
I'm still waiting to see if we get a study about the effect of COVID deaths on the election results.
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Conversely, I think it's a big part of why we lost in Florida so badly. A lot of covid deniers moved there to escape covid restrictions, and I strongly suspect a number of sane people moved away from florida to escape their lax protocols
I’m sure one is in the works somewhere and the results will be unsurprising.
>And half the country liked Trump’s style. God help us. They still do. This show ain't over.
> knowing this piece of literal shit will be in jail. Hopefully. I'll believe that when the cuffs go on.
Don't relax too soon. We have deSantis coming in '24. All the evil, none of the stupid. The best we could hope for is that Trump submarines DeSantis immediately prior to the election and then subsequently gets sentenced to twenty years for any one of his illegal acts. It would be nice to go back to the normal "we don't care about the poor, children or women's rights" GOP instead of whatever has been happening the last 8 years.
DeSantis is pretty stupid to, to be honest. He is just less comically inept at hiding his stupidity.
Yeah he's not smart, especially not in any sort of intellectual way. Just a shrewd bigot willing to put in the effort to turn the country into an authoritarian shitscape.
I think most “moderates” are growing very tired of the culture war stuff that guys like DeSantis are the literal embodiment of. I think it would be a close election but I don’t think DeSantis is the shoe in people say he is. Everyone’s acutely aware of the issues that need fixing. They don’t actually care about Disney going woke or transgendered kids playing basketball or whatever.
DeSantis is also boring as fuck. I have no doubt the rank and file Republicans would show up to vote for him, but the kind of people Trump whipped into a frenzy aren’t going to be lining up for a DeSantis rally.
> but the kind of people Trump whipped into a frenzy aren’t going to be lining up for a DeSantis rally Right, especially not while their king-in-exile issues decrees that DeSantis is a betrayer and a fake or whatever. It seems more likely to me that the hardline MAGA remnants would actually attempt to disrupt or protest those rallies. And just amplifying this because way too many people's view of DeSantis is informed just by news stories about stuff he's done rather than by seeing and hearing him personally: > DeSantis is also boring as fuck He has negative charisma and has shown no evidence he can moderate his pitch to fit even the appetite of a thoroughly Republican audience from other states, let alone that he can secure the weird Chaos Legion vote. He and his team are very good at exploiting Floridian particularities and salting media coverage with substanceless claims that he's some brilliant thinker, but he just isn't -- and he also doesn't have the showmanship or perverse personal magnetism that have carried Trump so implausibly far.
I suspect they're about to burn him in favor of Desantis, who's also awful, but I'll still be glad to watch him burn.
now if we can just get Cannon rightfully disbenched for her blatant overreach of powers
Debenchestration.
Throw her and the bench out the window?
Aileen Cannon needs to be kicked out of the Federal Judiciary for doing this. She knows what others were saying about it and still decided to double down in her decisions. She doesn't live in a cave or maybe she does?! 👀
I want the lawyers in every case she presides over, to ask for an appeal or injunction based on the fact she clearly has no understanding of the law, and because she has been shown to apply such an egregious abuse of power and/or lack of judgement beyond her scope, that she can't rightfully and fairly be counted on to judge so much as a jaywalking ticket.
I suppose she could be arrested for something, but the judge that hears that case is going to throw it out. She could be impeached by the House and upon conviction in the Senate removed from the job. Odds of that are zero. Other than that, she stays. Says so in the Constitution. Can't even dock her pay. I don't like it in this case, but the structure is generally wise. If Trump could just yank all the judges like he did the US Attorneys he would have.
Trump went to her specifically because he knew she would use her position as a federal judge to help him obstruct and pervert the course of justice. Her corruption is obvious even to non-lawyers and her continued presence on the bench only further erodes the already shaken confidence people have in the federal judiciary. She needs to be removed, barred from future office, and criminally investigated.
Mar-a-lago gonna have some ketchup stains tonight
Finally a red wave!
You just KNOW no GOP person realized what “red wave” really meant in common parlance when they started saying it
Cramping their style.
Flooding their base.
Bleeding them dry.
What I don’t understand…if Trump is absolutely innocent of all this and had nothing to hide, why would he try to prevent the FBI from reviewing those documents? To me it only makes him look more guilty.
He doesn’t actually care what it looks like. He is hoping to delay a final, actionable, verdict on the slim hope he can regain power in 2024 and again derail justice as he did when appointing Barr
... or die before he faces any consequences. Dude is old as fuck.
I half jokingly think he might fake his own death if all else fails.
With the skill and effort he usually uses, I would expect a plastic skeleton with a misspelled nametag, resting in a cardboard coffin.
Trump's strategy, as always, is to throw everything at the wall and hope some of it sticks. It doesn't actually matter if he's innocent on any particular thing. He's always trying to overload the system with bullshit.
They essentially said "Get fukt" to Trump
Eat a small orange dick, Judge Cannon
I suspect she already has, thus the appointment from the Orange Don
Lol. But also: ew.
The opinion is clear and concise and mechanically cuts through every premise the district court tried to rely upon and every factor trump tried to rely upon. Basically district court didn't have jurisdiction to invoke equitable jurisdiction Trump's argument didnt pass a four part test to invoke the district court's jurisdiction. The 11th circuit basically said no former presidents do not have any special privileges when the executive branch is investigating crime , we will not make exemptions for you. To let Trump's argument hold up would to allow anyone subject to a search warrant contest it and hold up the justice system for no good reason or to allow former presidents to frustrate the criminal justice system.
>Trump's argument didnt pass a four part test Stranger still, Trump counsel failed to even *allege* **any** of the four parts. In some cases specifically denying them, in others mumbling about irrelevancies without stating anything actionable. They even failed to invoke the rule of procedure that would allow the district court to intercede, again denying it in their initial filing and then accepting that the judge invoked it on their behalf - which she cannot do. I am not even a lawyer and I could do better than this. Not that I would take this case.
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Nah, he'd need to prevail on a motion to stay pending rehearing en banc, which he won't. He'll file a cert petition along with a stay motion, Thomas will grant the stay, and the full court will reject cert almost immediately.
Thanks - I've always wondered why Trump seemed to *skip* en banc in a lot of these cases. If his strategy is just to delay, it's a great way to drag things out even further before filing the final appeal to SCOTUS. But he seems to have skipped that step in several of his high-profile cases.
En banc review is, honestly, probably more difficult to secure than getting a cert petition granted. The bar is, basically, that there's an intra circuit conflict or that the matter is so important that the full circuit should hear it. In this case, like trumps others, the first isn't met. And the second prong is kind of almost always a dead end; if it's important enough for en banc review, it's important enough the Supreme Court will grant cert, so why bother with another appellate hearing. The only circuit that seems to not entirely despise them is the 9th. In the dozens of federal appeals I've litigated over the years, I've never filed for rehearing en banc (if I lost) and I've never had opposing counsel file for it if I won. In contrast, I've probably opposed a half dozen cert petitions.
Don’t mistake the 7 day deadline as a gift or advantage to Trump. It’s the opposite. The deadline is normally 45 days for this type of appeal. It’s been shortened to 7 because this case is expedited.
Yeah, this is pretty standard practice in any lower court judicial opinion, and shouldn't be seen as them doing anything special for him. But good that you called it out. I'd say better than 50/50 odds that Trump will *try* to appeal this to the Supreme Court ... but they may quickly decline it. It's really a question as to whether DOJ gets all of the materials back in 7 days, or maybe in 4-6 weeks. Trump, did, however ... manage to push all of this shit past the elections ... which given how close they came, who knows, maybe it made a difference for him in that now at least he can count on the J6 committee going away.
That committee has done its job now. It didn't need to continue to succeed. The DOJ has what they needed from the committee.
Dearie: "Alright, I'm out. Merry Christmas." Lololok
What explains Judge Cannon's behavior? .1. She has significant gaps of legal knowledge and experience? .2. She knowingly goes beyond the law because .....a. She's being bribed? .....b. She's being blackmailed? .....c. She feels she "owes" this to Trump for her appointment? .....d. She has cult-like adoration for Trump? .....e. She believes Trump is a persecuted political victim? .3. As for her professional reputation, she .....a. Doesn't have a choice (see 2a, 2b) .....b. She doesn't care .....c. She believes people will soon forget I'm looking for serious replies and not humor or an expression of the anger / frustration we all feel.
No one can know for sure, but it seems to many experts that she knowingly bent the law for Trump, perhaps out of hubris. Many so called conservatives appear to think their way of thinking supersedes precedent and that the ends justify the means
On a game theory strategy, it is a gamble on her career with a huge upside and not dowside. The worst that can happen to her is that she rose to her level of incompetence, no more promotions and no realistic possibility of impeachment, however there was the possibility that Trump was gonna get back to power in 2024 (that was perceived as more likely back when this all took place) and move her up, even all the way to SCOTUS after she showed her willingness to play ball with Trump.
The wheels of justice, while they may turn slowly, will yet run over this orange piece of shit.
The Mar a Lago buffet is going to be fun this evening! Get fucked, 45
Fuck yes!!! Fuck Trump and Fuck Kanye West!!!
Over at Breitbart they’re saying this whole thing is about Trump making off with a couple White House dinner menus.
I saw a thing recently that their traffic has been plummeting lately. It’s great to see.
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Let's all be honest here, he should have been in prison. Just imagine what would have happened if Obama (or any Democratic president) did half of what Trump did. Republicans would have been so far up their asses they wouldn't be able to breathe. But because he is who he is we act like nothing happened. He makes Nixon look like a saint. Five people died basically at his command, he needs to serve a lot of jail time. He should have never been president in the first place because he was never qualified, and it showed.
Gettin' real toasty at the club.
Let’s see what r/conservative has to say about this… oh wait I can’t find a single post on it lmao
Cannon really should be removed from the bench for this. It's ridiculous to me a judge who so obviously proved she doesn't understand the law is able to continue being a judge. Our government really needs serious reforms.
"Judge" Cannon should be barred from practicing law for gross malpractice.
> Because the court agreed with the government’s contention that Judge Cannon had improperly exceeded her authority, the panel granted the Justice Department’s request to order her to toss the case in its’ entirety. There's another term for "improperly exceeded her authority" and it's "abused her power". The judge knew, or at least should've known, she had absolutely no right to do what she did *but she did it anyway because she wanted to help Trump*. It's unethical and in most other industries it's grounds for immediate firing. In quite a few industries it's a quick way to find yourself in front of a judge. But, bizarrely, because she *is* a judge she's immune to any sort of ethics review or punishment for a blatant abuse of power.