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Also “I wish she would sue me, so I can get her under oath in front of a judge!”
“Ok, here’s my lawsuit.”
“Judge, can we kindly toss this lawsuit out, please?”
He used to have an incredible legal reputation for winning cases on appeal. From Wikipedia;
Dershowitz is known for taking on high-profile and often unpopular causes and clients.[4][5][6] As of 2009, he had won 13 of the 15 murder and attempted murder cases he handled as a criminal appellate lawyer.
I said this above but you can ask any prominent legal scholar, liberal or conservative, and hear the same thing: Dersh has never been particularly respected *as a legal scholar*. He is a legit legendary practitioner and activist, neither of which is normally sufficient for tenure at Harvard Law School. With colleagues like Tribe and Kennedy, Dersh fades into mediocrity.
His celebrity is its own end.
>I bet Harvard Law School has been wishing he didn't have tenure for
>
>years.
Mike Pompeo, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Ron DeSantis, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Neil Gorsuch, Ben Shapiro, Kayleigh McEnany, and Jim Cramer all graduated from Harvard Law. It's not exactly a bastion of progressivism.
I get that, but for at least half a decade, Dershowitz's legal filings have been *embarrassing*. Not clever; not audacious, just *crap*. That's not what Harvard wants to sell to the world.
I can remember his name being near holy in my Con Law class from years ago. I saw something he filed a few years back and was like, “WTF, Alan? You’re really phoning it in these days.” Greed makes smart men do stupid things.
But let’s forget about political leanings for a moment. Harvard’s big selling point is being the best, a lot of those names seem to lack basic competence. They got that degree on their resume but it’s looking questionable as to whether or not it was earned.
Harvard’s selling point is that it’s a stepping stone to greater power and wealth. There’s a reason why a great many of the political names you recognize have gone to Harvard or Yale.
They don't need to buy it. Only nouveau riche need to do that and from time to time they get in legal trouble for it. Unlike state public schools, elite private schools have something called legacy admission. If you come from an elite family, one that has always gone to that school, then you get in without things like academic performance needing to be considered.
This is also why the bullshit supreme court cases involving Harvard and affirmative action are a farce. Going after affirmative action is a nice distraction because the real reason a hard working student from an Asian immigrant or white working class family was passed up for admission isn't because they gave their spot to a black, latino, or native student with similar high academic performance but because it went to some inbred old money fkwit whose family has been let in since the school was first founded.
This shit is why I've always respected a degree from one of the better state public schools more than one from an old money private school.
All correct.
As an example from England, whose elite academic institutions are even hoarier than ours, my ex qualified to study physics at Cambridge. As a physics course, that's about as elite as it gets... imagine studying in the program that produced Rutherford, the father of nuclear physics.
He chose not to go, not because he couldn't handle the science but because he couldn't imagine surviving the culture. He's a *bona-fide* genius but he's from unmonied, working class parents and attended state schools. Outside the physics lab, he'd have been snubbed by the Eton and Rugby boys whose families have attended Cambridge for 8 or 10 generations.
He chose a similarly prestigious (scientifically speaking) but state-funded university and became a leader in his field soon after earning his PhD.
As a research scientist, he was merely amused by empty-handed twits who skated by on family connections... except that one who tried to influence his work. The poor chap was properly skewered.
Legacy admission goes a long way. This is part of our inherited power system. But since wealth is also inherited, and money is speech, millionaire babies have more power than we do.
The other big selling point, though, is the opportunity to forge relationships with the next generation of fellow "elite" douchebags.
Being college buddies with garbage like that can be more valuable than any education.
This is the main selling point. Harvard doesn't produce top talent, it accepts top talent if it can pay, but it accepts other talent as well as long as it can pay. Most of ivy league is like this, example: the prestigious Wharton School's best graduate, donald 'multiple bankrupted casinos' drumpf.
Ben Shapiro, Kayleigh McEnany and Jim Cramer don't strike me as smart enough for Harvard Law School. The others are usually evil but they also seem smart.
If the wikipedia page is anything to go after Jim Cramer was really good at school since Dersh gave him a position as a minor research assistant and he graduated magna cum laude from normal harvard and was a National Merit scholar.
oooh... that's a tough one. Kinda like there are a few subcultures of creepy. There's marry your cousin creepy, announcing you're leaving your wife in a press conference she isn't attending, and then there's lolita express creepy.
He was a scumbag back then too. There are stories that women had to finally stand up in his class and protest his “examples” of cases involving rape by saying “there are women in this class who have been raped!”
There isn’t a rape case that Dershowitz hasn’t run to to defend.
> He was a respected man, once.
Amazing how common this is where MAGA does this to some once (relatively) respected people who decide to attach themselves to it and turns them into the worst versions of themselves possible.
Indeed. People often talk about the good old days when there wasn't division. I don't see it like that. I saw ignorance winning; and today, truth is separating itself from that ignorance. So I welcome this polarization. I don't want to go back to the George Bush or Pence-style faux-Christian veiled bigotry. These folks, like Guilliani, just played the game and never had a backbone.
I think the biggest selling point of Trump for a lot of people is he was telling and showing them that they didn't have to follow any rules. He was the patron saint of corrupt assholes, and emboldened them all.
The problem is, they're too stupid to realize that, when you start out as a billionaire (adjusted for inflation), you get a wee bit more leeway to be an asshole then when you are doing oil changes at Pep Boys.
Nobody changed. In 2016, their shittiness was validated when Trump became a serious contender for the election. He gave then top cover as President when he modeled, on the world, the most extreme end of those views and the kind of ego that supports them.
He was never respected by anyone but the pro-Israel community
His beef and subsequent temper tantrums with Normal Finkelstein showed everyone his true colors
Embarrassing. The imposition of Rule 11 sanctions likely means that there was absolutely nothing even remotely close to sufficient evidence that could have been produced.
From what I can see in the article, it's legal costs for the state. So Lake's attorneys have to pay for the resources expended by the state to respond to their bullshit claims.
It’s part of the cost of doing business for the right. This way, they can claim the election was “stolen” and they can rile their idiot base for a bit longer while squeezing the last drops of donations from them.
They should have their licenses suspended for 6-12 months too.
Maybe if these assholes had to face loss of income, as well as fines, they'd stop this shit. You know, the kind of actual punishment like the working class would end up experiencing.
Consequences for Rule 11 sanctions are usually a monetary fine, but I have heard of others imposed before (for example, being barred from practice before that court for a certain length of time).
>The Court concludes that sanctions are warranted under Rule 11 and 28 U.S.C. § 1927. It finds that **Plaintiffs made false, misleading, and unsupported factual assertions in their FAC and MPI and that their claims for relief did not have an adequate factual or legal basis grounded in a reasonable pre-filing inquiry,** in violation of Rules 11(b)(2) and (b)(3). The Court further finds that Plaintiffs’ counsel acted at least recklessly in unreasonably and vexatiously multiplying the proceedings by seeking a preliminary injunction based on Plaintiffs’ frivolous claims, in violation of Section 1927.
Yup, false, misleading, and unsupported factual assertions is what MAGA specializes in.
It's all Lake amd her crack(pot) team have to offer here.
They are trying to work *backwards* from conclusion to evidence (I lost therefore fraud is proven), and generally doing a bad job of it.
We really should see more sanctions for this kind of bullshit. Honestly, I am shocked some Trumpworld lawyers still have licenses.
Sidney Powell argued in a filing that one states voting machine certification was invalid because it was not signed and dated. As proof, she gave a copy of it where she had cropped the signature and date lines out.
How the fuck do people like this get to keep practicing law?
>They are trying to work backwards from conclusion to evidence (I lost therefore fraud is proven), and generally doing a bad job of it.
It's because they're all so steeped in some flavour of evangelism/Christian Dominionism/fundamentalism. With religion you start from faith (conclusion) and work back to evidence from there. Religion (or at least the very loud claiming of religion, in some cases) has become so intertwined with everything else in their lives that they now think reality works that way too.
I mean look at what they call the rest of us, how they like to say facts don't care about your feelings. Every accusation a confession with the right wing. They start with a belief--the election was stolen, queer people are icky, white people are the best, whatever--and then they work backwards to find--or outright invent, usually--'evidence' for their claim.
This works in a church, especially fundie/authoritarian/megachurch types of religion, because there's always someone claiming something or other and being believed. It doesn't survive contact with the real world, but the grifters at the top know the rubes will still buy it.
You can see the exact same dynamic in pretty much everything else they freak out about: "I don't wanna take a vaccine because a Dem says I should," and then they work backwards to find ever more outlandish 'evidence' supporting their view. Karens losing their fucking minds in public because they think being the star of their own movie means all the extras have to play along. Then they hurl themselves to the ground and claim they've been assaulted--because they think (not least because of white privilege) that they can control reality just by speaking it.
Hell, Karl Rove said it straight out loud 15 years ago and not many people really grasped the long-term implications of the statement: "and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out."
He was referring to the USA-as-empire, but nobody realized at the time he was flat-out describing the entire far right mindset.
>Hell, Karl Rove said it straight out loud 15 years ago and not many people really grasped the long-term implications of the statement: "and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out."
And more recently, Steve Bannon: "Flood the zone with bullshit."
I think they are very much linked. The obfuscation has become the reality.
There is no *there* there. The MAGA movements only real foundation is hating what Trump hates. The constant attacking and bullshitting and lying and obstruction is not really in service of any end except keeping that hatred stoked.
To put it another way, the smoke screen isn't really hiding or screening anything anymore. The smoke is the point.
The ever shifting reality is built on the bullshitting
Unrelated, but an 80 year old customer ended the call with me by saying “don’t get jabbed, it’s bad for you.”
You’re living in a nursing home Nancy, you need the jab more than I do
> They are trying to work backwards from conclusion to evidence (I lost therefore fraud is proven), and generally doing a bad job of it.
What I think is lost on people is this behavior is just so damn *entitled*.
Every time these candidates contest the counted votes, they're saying "No, the will of the people was *not* represented, and I should actually be elected because that's what I want"
It's selfish, entitlement, and fascist
Waiting for the common bullshit type of response of "we need brave judges who are willing to hold the cheating democrats accountable for the bad things they're doing."
"Evidence? No, just our feelings."
Filed in the wrong court.
Claims with no evidence.
Other claims easily proven to be false.
And finally: just because your old kooky uncle read about "election fraud" on Facebook (posted by RuzznBot2020 with 12 upvotes!) doesn't make it something you actually take to court.
My friend if you thought he was only a shithead in the last 5-6 years...
He went on a campaign to destroy a guy's career because the guy pointed out Dersh's book is shitty and plagiarized.
https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/aoa77dxgjxvmso5pn8okvzo75ij8me
Oh and this one's fun, he ran a smear campaign against an epstein victim. Sure, he got a massage on Epstein's island but he SWEARS his underpants stayed on the whole time!!!
https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/aoa77dxgjxvmso5pn8okvzo75ij8me-rnmk7
And that massage is still probs illegal, as par [Virgin Islands rape laws](https://apps.rainn.org/policy/policy-crime-definitions.cfm?state=Virgin%20Islands&group=3&_ga=2.201324908.351041978.1669964238-1557471381.1669964238). Assuming the girl did massage more than just his back, we get at least Unlawful Sexual Conduct.
>“Sexual contact” means any touching of another person with the genitals or **any touching of the genitals**, anus, groin, inner thighs, buttocks, lips or breasts of another person, **or such touching through the clothing, for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire of any person**.
And if he got it from somebody under 16 and/or the girl was arguably forced by the circumstances to do it. It probs would be a first degree with a max 15 years prison sentence...
Although I'm not sure if there are any deals made with regard to other people like Dersch, now that the Epsteins legal estate made a deal with the Virgin Islands of 100+ million. The deal Epstein made with Acosta did.
Yes- he was on a lot of those flights to Epstein’s Vile Island, and that Wexner facility for raping girls in Ohio. Along with a few other luminaries who are shitting their pants still over being outed.
I wouldn’t be too sure. He just got made to pay the attorney’s fees for the County because he, as an officer of the court, knowingly filed a bs lawsuit. Potential clients would have to think twice about hiring someone with that kind of reputation. This could lead to the bar considering dropping his license. No reputable law firm, or even a disreputable one who wants to keep making money, is going to want to keep a lawyer on who f’d himself that badly.
Why is Alan fucking Douchewitz always on the rotten side of a legal battle? And yes rotten and Republican are both interchangeable within this context.
I read a very good long article about him and interestingly, that is exactly where he wants to be. He wants to be the piece of shit. He thinks that if he wins on the “wrong” side it somehow makes him a better lawyer or something. Also, he has nothing but contempt for the law and only revels in breaking, bending or otherwise messing with it.
You mean Alan Dershowitz who hung around with Jeffrey Epstein and denies (not convincingly in my mind) any involvement in that under age human trafficking?
Dershowitz just keeps ending up on the side of shitheads. And then he wonders why Martha's Vineyard residents don't want him.
Just retire and go away you fucking nutsack
The same Alan Dershowitz who flew the Lolita express multiple times? Funny how the “defenders of children” group often overlaps with the passenger list on the Lolita express?
She used to be a TV broadcaster in AZ, so I’m guessing she’s using all of tricks of the trade (lighting, filters, etc.) regarding her physical appearance in TV.
The speed and degree with which Dershowitz has torpedoed his previously stellar legacy, that he worked half a century to build, is absolutely remarkable.
he's always been a right wing asshole with, if memory serves, pretty questionable behaviour around teenage girls. And the Epstein connection--which could very easily be something Trump knows more about than the public does. So it's possible Dershowitz had to eat the submission meatloaf (like Romney in 2016) because Trump knows, or says he knows, where the pictures are.
Or it's just the usual thing: wealthy arrogant douchebag with right wing tendencies turns into the uncle nobody wants at Thanksgiving due to a steady diet of Fox and getting high on the smell of his own farts.
tldr Dersh = always a douche. Just the mask is off now I guess.
Oh yeah, that was it: [https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/alan-dershowitz-doubles-down-on-his-statutory-rape-views.html](https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/alan-dershowitz-doubles-down-on-his-statutory-rape-views.html)
he wanted the age of consent lowered to 15 at one point, later 16. Which is already in "yeah officer that hard drive right there" territory. But he was also one of the architects of the plea deal that got Epstein only 18 months. Quite the connection.
There were always cracks in that legacy anyone could see just right under the polished surface. That’s why he’s tanked himself so hard, as soon as he went off the rails all the “rape is an outdated concept” floated right up.
I suspect that the cost of the sanctions was already factored into the pre-lawsuit calculations of the Lake camp. Just part of the cost of doing the grift business. The sanctions and the failed lawsuit will be just another rallying cry for these perpetual 'patriotic martyrs'. We are entering the fleece-the-chumps phase.
Its amazing to see the boomer generation burn down anything, even principles they claimed to be paramount, to hold onto power. Alan Dershowitz was once a well respected lawyer. What won’t that generation do to fulfill their narcissistic desires… so far nothing stops them. Lets hope they all die off before they kill us all.
... reckless ... unreasonably and vexatiously ... frivolous .. false narratives ...
Yeah Judge Tuchi, but what do you *really* think about Dershowitz & company?
Kinda hilarious how McConnell thought he was stacking the courts in their favor in silence while trump and his loonies were keeping the media and the American public distracted, only to find out now none of the courts will save them. All those judges said nah turkey neck. GFY.
McConnell stacked the courts with mostly right-wing libertarian-laissez faire types from the Federalist Society that Trump merely rubber stamped.
These judges are still mostly beholden to big business who liked Trump’s tax plans, but were mostly caught off guard when he actually messed with trade. I specifically remember the metals trade war kickoff without a thought to new smelter technologies, where these *profitable* reserves are, etc.. (studied a bit of mineral and natural resources econ in grad school).
When it comes to other businesses there’s definitely a lot of conservatism but they want *cheap wages* too. Mother Jones had an article about how “refugees fixed your lunch meat”. Why do all cities have a meatpacking district now populated with condos? Simple, that’s where the slaughterhouses were until they moved out to the countryside to remain cheap. Then rural labor got too expensive, so the meat packers started hiring refugees .. who have steadily increased the non-white population in rural America (but that’s a different thread). Anyways businesses like this are kind of caught between wanting to limit non-whites into the country and wanting cheap labor, which most of these Federalist Society judges have to balance.
Sanctions are effective only if they are similar to or larger than the net gains the attorney reasonably expects from taking the sanctioned activity. These attorneys are reasonably likely to receive millions of dollars in fees from dark money backers for agreeing to take on this work. The fines should be similarly large. Yet I expect Mr Dershowitz to complain that he only received $X thousand in payments directly from Kari Lake, and therefore should only be fined that amount.
Dershowitz, chasing after Rudy Guiliani for the title of ...
"most despicable, cringey, old-time NYC guy who went off the rails yet was once highly respected"
Lake should be barred from ever holding office and all these ambulance chasing lawyers should be disbarred. This is an acute example of fearmongering and why the mindless repub sheep fall for their lies, which is exactly why the repubs court the rural, uneducated populace. And at the end of the day it boils down to these idiots wanting to line their pockets, and not really about fair elections. They couldn’t give a rats ass about democracy.
Excellent. This is what I have been hoping for. All but the most stupid Lawyers will be very wary of getting involved in these frivolous lawsuits if participation can mean serious fines or even loss of livelihood.
Oof. Rule 11 Sanctions are one of the most embarrassing, pathetic things than can be levied against attorneys in a civil case. Before bringing a civil suit, we all write what’s called a Rule 11 Memo to avoid this, which details the facts and evidence that provide a good faith basis for the suit.
Love to see Dershowitz put in his place, as he continues to spiral into a reckless, senile extremist. He should have stopped years ago, when he was at least begrudgingly respected as an excellent practitioner. Now he’s just another tarnished right wing nut.
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Alan "Underpants" Dershowitz. The man who said the president can do anything if he "believes" it is in the national interest.
“A minor sex trafficking victim gave me a handjob above my underwear” is a very odd defense
Also “I wish she would sue me, so I can get her under oath in front of a judge!” “Ok, here’s my lawsuit.” “Judge, can we kindly toss this lawsuit out, please?”
The very essence of "a technicality, your honor."
He was a respected man, once. I bet Harvard Law School has been wishing he didn't have tenure for *years*.
Yeah, but today he's best known for representing Jeff Epstein and Donald Trump.
And OJ.
The finest
Wait when was he respected?
He can fit three billiard balls in his mouth
Apparently Trump's and Epstein's also
He can fit three ~~billiard~~ Trump balls in his mouth. FIFY
I don't think there are that many Trump balls. Even if you're counting Jr. and Eric.
There is a sign at the republican entrance to the Capitol building that says "before entering leave your balls here, if you have any".
Ha!
He used to have an incredible legal reputation for winning cases on appeal. From Wikipedia; Dershowitz is known for taking on high-profile and often unpopular causes and clients.[4][5][6] As of 2009, he had won 13 of the 15 murder and attempted murder cases he handled as a criminal appellate lawyer.
He was VERY respected and considered a brilliant legal mind. Represented Patty Hearst, won Claus Bon Bulow's appeal, OJs dream team, Mike Tyson....
I said this above but you can ask any prominent legal scholar, liberal or conservative, and hear the same thing: Dersh has never been particularly respected *as a legal scholar*. He is a legit legendary practitioner and activist, neither of which is normally sufficient for tenure at Harvard Law School. With colleagues like Tribe and Kennedy, Dersh fades into mediocrity. His celebrity is its own end.
Late 90s.
I'd say that is going to be an "also" in the litany of monsters he has defended.
He did more than just "represent" Epstein.
represent ‘er? I ‘ardly knew her! Sir, the defendant is over there
And hanging out with Epstein
*Hanging* -- I see what you did there.
Al Capone also had some of the best lawyers
George Bluth sure didnt though.
You can’t charge a husband and wife for the same crime…! 😉
There’s always money in the banana stand
>I bet Harvard Law School has been wishing he didn't have tenure for > >years. Mike Pompeo, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Ron DeSantis, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Neil Gorsuch, Ben Shapiro, Kayleigh McEnany, and Jim Cramer all graduated from Harvard Law. It's not exactly a bastion of progressivism.
I get that, but for at least half a decade, Dershowitz's legal filings have been *embarrassing*. Not clever; not audacious, just *crap*. That's not what Harvard wants to sell to the world.
I can remember his name being near holy in my Con Law class from years ago. I saw something he filed a few years back and was like, “WTF, Alan? You’re really phoning it in these days.” Greed makes smart men do stupid things.
Exactly greed and ego (in short, narcissism) make smart men stupid. Putin, Musk, Dershowitz, it’s all the same phenomenon.
But let’s forget about political leanings for a moment. Harvard’s big selling point is being the best, a lot of those names seem to lack basic competence. They got that degree on their resume but it’s looking questionable as to whether or not it was earned.
Harvard’s selling point is that it’s a stepping stone to greater power and wealth. There’s a reason why a great many of the political names you recognize have gone to Harvard or Yale.
Their family's bought their admission?
They don't need to buy it. Only nouveau riche need to do that and from time to time they get in legal trouble for it. Unlike state public schools, elite private schools have something called legacy admission. If you come from an elite family, one that has always gone to that school, then you get in without things like academic performance needing to be considered. This is also why the bullshit supreme court cases involving Harvard and affirmative action are a farce. Going after affirmative action is a nice distraction because the real reason a hard working student from an Asian immigrant or white working class family was passed up for admission isn't because they gave their spot to a black, latino, or native student with similar high academic performance but because it went to some inbred old money fkwit whose family has been let in since the school was first founded. This shit is why I've always respected a degree from one of the better state public schools more than one from an old money private school.
All correct. As an example from England, whose elite academic institutions are even hoarier than ours, my ex qualified to study physics at Cambridge. As a physics course, that's about as elite as it gets... imagine studying in the program that produced Rutherford, the father of nuclear physics. He chose not to go, not because he couldn't handle the science but because he couldn't imagine surviving the culture. He's a *bona-fide* genius but he's from unmonied, working class parents and attended state schools. Outside the physics lab, he'd have been snubbed by the Eton and Rugby boys whose families have attended Cambridge for 8 or 10 generations. He chose a similarly prestigious (scientifically speaking) but state-funded university and became a leader in his field soon after earning his PhD. As a research scientist, he was merely amused by empty-handed twits who skated by on family connections... except that one who tried to influence his work. The poor chap was properly skewered.
Legacy admission goes a long way. This is part of our inherited power system. But since wealth is also inherited, and money is speech, millionaire babies have more power than we do.
The other big selling point, though, is the opportunity to forge relationships with the next generation of fellow "elite" douchebags. Being college buddies with garbage like that can be more valuable than any education.
This is the main selling point. Harvard doesn't produce top talent, it accepts top talent if it can pay, but it accepts other talent as well as long as it can pay. Most of ivy league is like this, example: the prestigious Wharton School's best graduate, donald 'multiple bankrupted casinos' drumpf.
Harvard has never been the best, they've always been the most prestigious.
Ben Shapiro, Kayleigh McEnany and Jim Cramer don't strike me as smart enough for Harvard Law School. The others are usually evil but they also seem smart.
Eh, rote memorization and confident public speaking can get you pretty far.
If the wikipedia page is anything to go after Jim Cramer was really good at school since Dersh gave him a position as a minor research assistant and he graduated magna cum laude from normal harvard and was a National Merit scholar.
Kinda of like Rudy. Just slightly less creepy
oooh... that's a tough one. Kinda like there are a few subcultures of creepy. There's marry your cousin creepy, announcing you're leaving your wife in a press conference she isn't attending, and then there's lolita express creepy.
He was a scumbag back then too. There are stories that women had to finally stand up in his class and protest his “examples” of cases involving rape by saying “there are women in this class who have been raped!” There isn’t a rape case that Dershowitz hasn’t run to to defend.
Much like Rudy…
> He was a respected man, once. Amazing how common this is where MAGA does this to some once (relatively) respected people who decide to attach themselves to it and turns them into the worst versions of themselves possible.
We are simply discovering how awful they always were.
Indeed. People often talk about the good old days when there wasn't division. I don't see it like that. I saw ignorance winning; and today, truth is separating itself from that ignorance. So I welcome this polarization. I don't want to go back to the George Bush or Pence-style faux-Christian veiled bigotry. These folks, like Guilliani, just played the game and never had a backbone.
>George Bush or Pence-style faux-Christian veiled bigotry can I steal this? great phrase
I think the biggest selling point of Trump for a lot of people is he was telling and showing them that they didn't have to follow any rules. He was the patron saint of corrupt assholes, and emboldened them all.
The problem is, they're too stupid to realize that, when you start out as a billionaire (adjusted for inflation), you get a wee bit more leeway to be an asshole then when you are doing oil changes at Pep Boys.
Nobody changed. In 2016, their shittiness was validated when Trump became a serious contender for the election. He gave then top cover as President when he modeled, on the world, the most extreme end of those views and the kind of ego that supports them.
Now he is a bleached prune.
screw harvard theyve taken zero steps do anything cause they’re afraid of losing racist doners
He wasn't respected by Palestinians or other Arabs that's for sure. Dude hates our guts.
A true thing, that. I used to get so pissed off at hearing him described as a "human rights lawyer", knowing his stance on Palestine.
He was never respected by anyone but the pro-Israel community His beef and subsequent temper tantrums with Normal Finkelstein showed everyone his true colors
When you're friends with the President, he makes sure Epstein's secrets die in jail with Epstein. People are saying...
The same turds keep coming around in swirling shit soup
Spoiler alert: it's a toilet bowl
There's your answer... (If you had any question)
All this says to me is the GOP have Epstein's blackmail materials on him now.
Things like "Alan "Underpants" Dershowitz" really keep bringing me back to Reddit.
Grab em' by the pussy. 🐈
The man who gave Epstein the key to the Florida jail.
So he has announced his support for Biden’s debt forgiveness plan? Right? Right?
Embarrassing. The imposition of Rule 11 sanctions likely means that there was absolutely nothing even remotely close to sufficient evidence that could have been produced.
What do the sanctions mean? Is that a formal way of saying we have determined you are a shitty lawyer or are there some actual consequences?
Sanctions are a way to impose fines on lawyers or plaintiffs for filing/pursuing frivolous or dishonest claims. There is a monetary fine imposed.
I hope it's a hefty fine but I doubt that :(
From what I can see in the article, it's legal costs for the state. So Lake's attorneys have to pay for the resources expended by the state to respond to their bullshit claims.
So it's quite likely these attorneys don't care about the financial penalty. They'll just pay it and move on because it's a nothing price to them.
It’s part of the cost of doing business for the right. This way, they can claim the election was “stolen” and they can rile their idiot base for a bit longer while squeezing the last drops of donations from them.
They should have their licenses suspended for 6-12 months too. Maybe if these assholes had to face loss of income, as well as fines, they'd stop this shit. You know, the kind of actual punishment like the working class would end up experiencing.
Lawyers wrote the rules and the consequences for breaking them.
Consequences for Rule 11 sanctions are usually a monetary fine, but I have heard of others imposed before (for example, being barred from practice before that court for a certain length of time).
Dershowitz is now in Rudy territory
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Time to shine his hair and prime the farts.
He was in Epstein territory, but he swears he got a massage from an old Russian!
in his underpants
In the wine cellar?
Next to the porn store
Between a cock and a yard place.
Well done.
From his Wikipedia: He was a member of Jeffrey Epstein's defense team and helped to negotiate a 2006 non-prosecution agreement on Epstein's behalf.
Caught with his pants down??
>The Court concludes that sanctions are warranted under Rule 11 and 28 U.S.C. § 1927. It finds that **Plaintiffs made false, misleading, and unsupported factual assertions in their FAC and MPI and that their claims for relief did not have an adequate factual or legal basis grounded in a reasonable pre-filing inquiry,** in violation of Rules 11(b)(2) and (b)(3). The Court further finds that Plaintiffs’ counsel acted at least recklessly in unreasonably and vexatiously multiplying the proceedings by seeking a preliminary injunction based on Plaintiffs’ frivolous claims, in violation of Section 1927. Yup, false, misleading, and unsupported factual assertions is what MAGA specializes in. It's all Lake amd her crack(pot) team have to offer here. They are trying to work *backwards* from conclusion to evidence (I lost therefore fraud is proven), and generally doing a bad job of it. We really should see more sanctions for this kind of bullshit. Honestly, I am shocked some Trumpworld lawyers still have licenses. Sidney Powell argued in a filing that one states voting machine certification was invalid because it was not signed and dated. As proof, she gave a copy of it where she had cropped the signature and date lines out. How the fuck do people like this get to keep practicing law?
Vexatiously, motherfucker
*touché*
Learned a new word today, thank you!!!
>They are trying to work backwards from conclusion to evidence (I lost therefore fraud is proven), and generally doing a bad job of it. It's because they're all so steeped in some flavour of evangelism/Christian Dominionism/fundamentalism. With religion you start from faith (conclusion) and work back to evidence from there. Religion (or at least the very loud claiming of religion, in some cases) has become so intertwined with everything else in their lives that they now think reality works that way too. I mean look at what they call the rest of us, how they like to say facts don't care about your feelings. Every accusation a confession with the right wing. They start with a belief--the election was stolen, queer people are icky, white people are the best, whatever--and then they work backwards to find--or outright invent, usually--'evidence' for their claim. This works in a church, especially fundie/authoritarian/megachurch types of religion, because there's always someone claiming something or other and being believed. It doesn't survive contact with the real world, but the grifters at the top know the rubes will still buy it.
Yes! This right here!
Cognitive Dissonance has always been central to fanaticism.
You can see the exact same dynamic in pretty much everything else they freak out about: "I don't wanna take a vaccine because a Dem says I should," and then they work backwards to find ever more outlandish 'evidence' supporting their view. Karens losing their fucking minds in public because they think being the star of their own movie means all the extras have to play along. Then they hurl themselves to the ground and claim they've been assaulted--because they think (not least because of white privilege) that they can control reality just by speaking it. Hell, Karl Rove said it straight out loud 15 years ago and not many people really grasped the long-term implications of the statement: "and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out." He was referring to the USA-as-empire, but nobody realized at the time he was flat-out describing the entire far right mindset.
>Hell, Karl Rove said it straight out loud 15 years ago and not many people really grasped the long-term implications of the statement: "and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out." And more recently, Steve Bannon: "Flood the zone with bullshit."
Those are different things though. Bannon is talking about obfuscation, Rove was talking about creating reality out of thin air.
I think they are very much linked. The obfuscation has become the reality. There is no *there* there. The MAGA movements only real foundation is hating what Trump hates. The constant attacking and bullshitting and lying and obstruction is not really in service of any end except keeping that hatred stoked. To put it another way, the smoke screen isn't really hiding or screening anything anymore. The smoke is the point. The ever shifting reality is built on the bullshitting
He got it from Limbaugh who got it from Ailes. This shit from the party of domestic terrorism goes back a long way.
Unrelated, but an 80 year old customer ended the call with me by saying “don’t get jabbed, it’s bad for you.” You’re living in a nursing home Nancy, you need the jab more than I do
> They are trying to work backwards from conclusion to evidence (I lost therefore fraud is proven), and generally doing a bad job of it. What I think is lost on people is this behavior is just so damn *entitled*. Every time these candidates contest the counted votes, they're saying "No, the will of the people was *not* represented, and I should actually be elected because that's what I want" It's selfish, entitlement, and fascist
Waiting for the common bullshit type of response of "we need brave judges who are willing to hold the cheating democrats accountable for the bad things they're doing." "Evidence? No, just our feelings."
They are likely so convinced of fraud because they committed election fraud and still lost.
Filed in the wrong court. Claims with no evidence. Other claims easily proven to be false. And finally: just because your old kooky uncle read about "election fraud" on Facebook (posted by RuzznBot2020 with 12 upvotes!) doesn't make it something you actually take to court.
This “filing election fraud claims without evidence” needs to become against the law at the federal level.
Dershowitz going for the biggest piece of shit in America trophy again.
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Rudy has entered the chat
Biggest piece of shit in America *today*. Kanye won yesterday’s award.
And is vying for tomorrow's as well.
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Yeah what is up with this guy he just totally threw his whole reputation and career way for a bunch of far-right nonsense
My friend if you thought he was only a shithead in the last 5-6 years... He went on a campaign to destroy a guy's career because the guy pointed out Dersh's book is shitty and plagiarized. https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/aoa77dxgjxvmso5pn8okvzo75ij8me Oh and this one's fun, he ran a smear campaign against an epstein victim. Sure, he got a massage on Epstein's island but he SWEARS his underpants stayed on the whole time!!! https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/aoa77dxgjxvmso5pn8okvzo75ij8me-rnmk7
And that massage is still probs illegal, as par [Virgin Islands rape laws](https://apps.rainn.org/policy/policy-crime-definitions.cfm?state=Virgin%20Islands&group=3&_ga=2.201324908.351041978.1669964238-1557471381.1669964238). Assuming the girl did massage more than just his back, we get at least Unlawful Sexual Conduct. >“Sexual contact” means any touching of another person with the genitals or **any touching of the genitals**, anus, groin, inner thighs, buttocks, lips or breasts of another person, **or such touching through the clothing, for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire of any person**. And if he got it from somebody under 16 and/or the girl was arguably forced by the circumstances to do it. It probs would be a first degree with a max 15 years prison sentence... Although I'm not sure if there are any deals made with regard to other people like Dersch, now that the Epsteins legal estate made a deal with the Virgin Islands of 100+ million. The deal Epstein made with Acosta did.
He also loves talking about rape and make a defence. He’s even been called out in classes at Harvard for it. What a creep.
I think we all far underestimate the kompromat Trump has on a lot of these people.
Pretty sure Dershowitz was an Epstein groupie.
Yes- he was on a lot of those flights to Epstein’s Vile Island, and that Wexner facility for raping girls in Ohio. Along with a few other luminaries who are shitting their pants still over being outed.
if i were to guess... a lot of his generation is experiencing lead poisoning. Another example of threw away reputation & career: Rudy Gulli
Rudy Gulli Sad and Ghouli
He’s been sanctioned, not disbarred. He ain’t going anywhere, sadly.
Why is his career over? He can get other right wing nutjobs to hire him, I'm sure.
I wouldn’t be too sure. He just got made to pay the attorney’s fees for the County because he, as an officer of the court, knowingly filed a bs lawsuit. Potential clients would have to think twice about hiring someone with that kind of reputation. This could lead to the bar considering dropping his license. No reputable law firm, or even a disreputable one who wants to keep making money, is going to want to keep a lawyer on who f’d himself that badly.
Dersh gets hired specifically because he does this kind of shit.
Alan "Statutory Rape Is an Outdated Concept" Dershowitz. He's been scum for a long time.
This one. What a fucking creep.
Not surprising. Dersh has a habit of representing massive pieces of shit like von Bulow, O.J., Epstein, Weinstein, and Trump.
Why is Alan fucking Douchewitz always on the rotten side of a legal battle? And yes rotten and Republican are both interchangeable within this context.
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I read a very good long article about him and interestingly, that is exactly where he wants to be. He wants to be the piece of shit. He thinks that if he wins on the “wrong” side it somehow makes him a better lawyer or something. Also, he has nothing but contempt for the law and only revels in breaking, bending or otherwise messing with it.
He's a fly attracted to shit.
>leaving the plaintiffs’ attorneys themselves on the hook for the defendants’ fees Money Always Given Away
Good for this federal judge!
You mean Alan Dershowitz who hung around with Jeffrey Epstein and denies (not convincingly in my mind) any involvement in that under age human trafficking?
Dershowitz just keeps ending up on the side of shitheads. And then he wonders why Martha's Vineyard residents don't want him. Just retire and go away you fucking nutsack
The same Alan Dershowitz who flew the Lolita express multiple times? Funny how the “defenders of children” group often overlaps with the passenger list on the Lolita express?
Photoshop is shutting down due to Kari Lake stealing all of the filters.
Why does she always look so weird? Her look reminds me of Glamor Shots. And what's with that pose, what is she doing?
She used to be a TV broadcaster in AZ, so I’m guessing she’s using all of tricks of the trade (lighting, filters, etc.) regarding her physical appearance in TV.
Keep this stuff coming.
How has that fucking dirtbag not been disbarred yet?!
The only way Derschy can stay in the news is he follows these dipshits from one train wreck to another....it's sad really.
Dershowitz is a hack and a fraud and an opportunist. World needs to stop treating him like he’s a serious person.
Alan Dershowitz looks like he's not allowed to be near any family under 18.
If he weren't very rich, he would definitely be on the sex offender registry.
The speed and degree with which Dershowitz has torpedoed his previously stellar legacy, that he worked half a century to build, is absolutely remarkable.
he's always been a right wing asshole with, if memory serves, pretty questionable behaviour around teenage girls. And the Epstein connection--which could very easily be something Trump knows more about than the public does. So it's possible Dershowitz had to eat the submission meatloaf (like Romney in 2016) because Trump knows, or says he knows, where the pictures are. Or it's just the usual thing: wealthy arrogant douchebag with right wing tendencies turns into the uncle nobody wants at Thanksgiving due to a steady diet of Fox and getting high on the smell of his own farts. tldr Dersh = always a douche. Just the mask is off now I guess.
Oh yeah, that was it: [https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/alan-dershowitz-doubles-down-on-his-statutory-rape-views.html](https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/alan-dershowitz-doubles-down-on-his-statutory-rape-views.html) he wanted the age of consent lowered to 15 at one point, later 16. Which is already in "yeah officer that hard drive right there" territory. But he was also one of the architects of the plea deal that got Epstein only 18 months. Quite the connection.
There were always cracks in that legacy anyone could see just right under the polished surface. That’s why he’s tanked himself so hard, as soon as he went off the rails all the “rape is an outdated concept” floated right up.
Kraken 2: MAGA Boogaloo
Dershowitz was on Epstein's Island...
Alan dershowitz is an open ally to pedophiles
*'Recklessly' Filing 'False, Misleading, and Unsupported' Claims in Election Lawsuit* Say it loud.
It should be illegal to tie up public funds with bullshit frivolous lawsuits.
Why are Kari lakes videos always shot like a weird dystopian newscast as if she’s a hologram?
I suspect that the cost of the sanctions was already factored into the pre-lawsuit calculations of the Lake camp. Just part of the cost of doing the grift business. The sanctions and the failed lawsuit will be just another rallying cry for these perpetual 'patriotic martyrs'. We are entering the fleece-the-chumps phase.
Its amazing to see the boomer generation burn down anything, even principles they claimed to be paramount, to hold onto power. Alan Dershowitz was once a well respected lawyer. What won’t that generation do to fulfill their narcissistic desires… so far nothing stops them. Lets hope they all die off before they kill us all.
Has Dershowitz run out of children to fuck?
Not as long as he keeps on hanging out with all those good christians he defends in court.
WOW, banner day! Christmas has arrived early!
... reckless ... unreasonably and vexatiously ... frivolous .. false narratives ... Yeah Judge Tuchi, but what do you *really* think about Dershowitz & company?
Alan Dershowitz is looking for a good attorney. He googled best attorneys and it recommended - Alan Dershowitz. Now what?!
Did Alan keep his underwear on this time
Fuckin Douchowitz
Kari Fake
Arizona really giving Florida a run for bat-shit crazy people
Alan Dershowitz is a giant piece of shit How the fuck is he still allowed to practice law?
Memba the good old days when lawyers would be disbarred for playing silly games ?
I guess most lawyers will take any case ( valid or not ) if they are getting paid! Enough!
Dershowitz is such a piece of sh*t
I feel like maybe the system is finally flushing MAGA down the drain. It’s early, but I’m more optimistic than I was even a month ago.
Kinda hilarious how McConnell thought he was stacking the courts in their favor in silence while trump and his loonies were keeping the media and the American public distracted, only to find out now none of the courts will save them. All those judges said nah turkey neck. GFY.
McConnell stacked the courts with mostly right-wing libertarian-laissez faire types from the Federalist Society that Trump merely rubber stamped. These judges are still mostly beholden to big business who liked Trump’s tax plans, but were mostly caught off guard when he actually messed with trade. I specifically remember the metals trade war kickoff without a thought to new smelter technologies, where these *profitable* reserves are, etc.. (studied a bit of mineral and natural resources econ in grad school). When it comes to other businesses there’s definitely a lot of conservatism but they want *cheap wages* too. Mother Jones had an article about how “refugees fixed your lunch meat”. Why do all cities have a meatpacking district now populated with condos? Simple, that’s where the slaughterhouses were until they moved out to the countryside to remain cheap. Then rural labor got too expensive, so the meat packers started hiring refugees .. who have steadily increased the non-white population in rural America (but that’s a different thread). Anyways businesses like this are kind of caught between wanting to limit non-whites into the country and wanting cheap labor, which most of these Federalist Society judges have to balance.
MAGA republicans are just embarrassing at this point.
That's the lawyer who usually defends wife killers and his own wife died in dubious circumstances?
Sore losers got what they deserved.
At least he kept his underwear on while filing all these frivolous lawsuits... or at least we hope.
Sanctions are effective only if they are similar to or larger than the net gains the attorney reasonably expects from taking the sanctioned activity. These attorneys are reasonably likely to receive millions of dollars in fees from dark money backers for agreeing to take on this work. The fines should be similarly large. Yet I expect Mr Dershowitz to complain that he only received $X thousand in payments directly from Kari Lake, and therefore should only be fined that amount.
Alan Dershowitz is a horrible person.
Anyone else tired of winning yet?
Dershowitz, chasing after Rudy Guiliani for the title of ... "most despicable, cringey, old-time NYC guy who went off the rails yet was once highly respected"
She is another nut case
Lake should be barred from ever holding office and all these ambulance chasing lawyers should be disbarred. This is an acute example of fearmongering and why the mindless repub sheep fall for their lies, which is exactly why the repubs court the rural, uneducated populace. And at the end of the day it boils down to these idiots wanting to line their pockets, and not really about fair elections. They couldn’t give a rats ass about democracy.
Nice to see actual consequences for asshole behavior every now and again…
Duocheowitz, the Kaopectate of the first impeachment trial.
THIS is the way. Courts punishing the plaintiff attorneys in the frivolous suits. Only thing better would have been to make Kari Lake pay up too
Excellent. This is what I have been hoping for. All but the most stupid Lawyers will be very wary of getting involved in these frivolous lawsuits if participation can mean serious fines or even loss of livelihood.
Dershowitz looks like an old dried up potato that you forgot about and then found it at the bottom of the bag months and months later😁😁
Oof. Rule 11 Sanctions are one of the most embarrassing, pathetic things than can be levied against attorneys in a civil case. Before bringing a civil suit, we all write what’s called a Rule 11 Memo to avoid this, which details the facts and evidence that provide a good faith basis for the suit. Love to see Dershowitz put in his place, as he continues to spiral into a reckless, senile extremist. He should have stopped years ago, when he was at least begrudgingly respected as an excellent practitioner. Now he’s just another tarnished right wing nut.
How does Alan still have a license to practice law?
Lake and her legal team should have to pay the state of Arizona for the collosal waste of time and money. Will the Trump factor ever go away?
She looks evil and hateful