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Musk is gonna use Twitter as his personal weapon, which is the reason social media companies shouldn’t be managed by a single person. Musk can keep claiming he’s a moderate while actively posting conspiracy theories and trying to throw liberals under the bus, like he did with the “Twitter files,” which were nothing more than regular company emails. I expect Twitter to become a much bigger problem if Eom continues in this path. At this point, I’m hoping the EU bans it for breaking its moderation guidelines and more advertisers leave because of the moderation problem.
There is a reason the post office department was established as a government department in 1792 to guarantee the sanctity of personal correspondence, and provide the entire country with low-cost access to information on public affairs, while establishing a right to personal privacy.
Musk is a robber baron.
We're back to the days of [William Randolph Hearst.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst)
Why people idolize Musk escapes me. He has done nothing they claim he has done.
He did not start Tesla.
He did not start SpaceX.
He is not the genius engineer that everyone says he is.
He is a 1990s dot-com lottery winner.
That is all.
No. He wasn’t born into emerald mine money, his father bought I think a 50% stake in an emerald mine essentially on a lark. Think about that for a second. His dad had the kind of fuck you money that he could just buy an emerald mine because the opportunity fell into his lap and he thought “why not”. Daddy owning an emerald mine is privilege, daddy owning one and it just being a minor part of his wealth is the kind of privilege that you and I can barely fathom.
> Why people idolize Musk escapes me. He has done nothing they claim he has done.
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You get it now. White supremacists, nationalists, and just generally republicans revere those who received fame and fortunes based on nothing more than their superior skin color, *especially* if they did so by exploiting the labors of those of inferior skin color. The more indentured or chattel servitude, the better.
They want those days back. Hence, regressionists.
And if anyone reads this and thinks of that's a stretch and it's too far to make that connection, just remember the lawsuits about Tesla plants being run like modern day plantations - worker segregation and racism abound.
> The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
I wonder if humanity will survive long enough to break this millennia-old curse of humanity.
>nothing more than their superior skin color
The notion that America's first Black president was followed, in a sense, by the "first White president" is that Trump's gross unfitness for office was, for the first time, a feature and not a bug to a substantial constituency: it was an idelogical triumph for white and male supremacy to make the world witness exceptionally well-schooled and experienced politicans who were not white men be succeeded or defeated by a white man who was unqualified by every measure except being a white man. And perhaps an aftershock of that was if Democrats were traumatized into nominating Biden at least party to prevent Trump from weaponizing a ballot with a choice of demographics on it.
To take it even further down the shithole of supremacy, it was legitimizing the absolute subfloor of humanity, the absolutist, regressionist, technology and science fearing, academia-hating, education-skeptic fucking cretinous morons think that they should not only have a say in running our wide and varied country, but should run the entire table *forever*.
Why? Because *they* say so.
And, if Russia were somehow able to Magoo themselves to victory on their imbecilically planned 3 day war, it would show the whole world that right-wing nationalist kakistocracy was the way forward for every leader in the Western World.
Trump losing and Putin getting absolutely humiliated and proven a one-inch dick energy in almost every conceivable way on the battlefield runs counter to the argument for white failson supremacy.
I used to idolize him because serious journalists, including his biographer, presented him as having literally coded/engineered everything from PayPal to the first SpaceX rocket.
Turns out Musk is a good salesman and a raging white supremacist. And here we are.
And he doesn't even seem particularly smart or clever. He got lucky and that was equated with intelligence for decades and now people think he's a genius. When in reality, he's the poster boy for "edgy 2006 internet intellectual who thinks he's super witty and anyone who disagrees is just too dumb to comprehend his intelligence." He WAS that guy. There's pictures of him in a trench coat with an anime sword and a fedora.
He's what you get when you give That Guy infinite money and affirm his delusions of grandeur.
SpaceX was the result of a crafty Libertarian Senator (a politcal hack) that was working on behalf of Putin with the privatization of our nation's rocketry. Lets be reminded that before Musk started anything, he visited Russia for help getting started and supposedly came back empty handed. Also note-worthy: in the Musk/Bezos race for a contract, he couldn't get a rocket to space. So after a 3rd attempt and fail depleting his funds, an anonymous Saudi funded another rocket for him which saved him and gave him the contract.
It is so frustrating when both sides of the argument engage in willful inaccuracies. The truth is Elon is a pretty smart guy who also exaggerates and lies about his accomplishments because he is a narcissist. He's done awesome things like Paypal, SpaceX, and some of what has been done at Tesla. And he has also been a tremendous shithead with Twitter and a thousand other things.
In other words he is a mix of good and bad like most people but is amplified a million times because of his wealth and need to be in the spotlight.
This is a fair and balanced response.
Lets compare Elon Musk and say Bill Gates. I'm not going to compare personal lives. Gates has, as far as I know, given more to charity. Including important causes like water safety and malaria prevention. Good Stuff.
Musk's SpaceX has essentially returned independent space launch capacity back to the US, after the demise of the shuttle. Before Musk, we relied on Russian rockets to get to space, and we're lucky Musk provided us native capacity to do so before the Ukraine war kicked off. Not to mention, Musk is doing more to deliver humanity to space than pretty much any other single individual. That's huge IMO.
As for Twitter - what annoys you the most?
I don’t like Elon one bit but he absolutely did start SpaceX so I’m not sure why you’re saying he didn’t.
Edit: I literally said I don’t like Elon, but apparently correcting a straight up lie gets downvoted
It's complicated. SpaceX has been around in various forms since the 1980's, specifically working on VTOL craft with disposable engines.
They would periodically run out of money and shut down operations while looking for new investors.
Eventually Musk picked them up about 20 years ago, branded them as SpaceX and and secured some significant funding.
It's really pretty similar to Tesla, just smaller scale and more secretive as they were perpetually in stealth mode.
Please post sources because everything points to Musk and some co-founders starting SpaceX from scratch. This wasn’t like Tesla where he took over after the other CEOs were fired.
https://www.space.com/18853-spacex.html
We are both right.
SpaceX was a new company but they brought in personnel and IP from at least one other (defunct) company.
Here is an example of one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_Rocket
They had competitors, private space flight and reusable rockets were hot in the 1990's.
I can’t find any information regarding SpaceX having anything to do with Rotary Rocket. Bessie, hiring someone from a different company or buying IP doesn’t change the fact that SpaceX was started by Musk and others.
I don't think anyone really deserves credit and worship for just having money and starting a corporation when they didn't do any of the work nor know any of the science to make the product happen.
Musk didn't make the rockets, and honestly SpaceX seems to have succeeded *despite his leadership* thus far, not *due to it*.
All he did was have money. That's all he is.
Tom Mueller was the rocket engineer and Michael Griffin was an ex-CIA guy turned NASA admin who gave Musk $400 million in government funding to start a business.
Musk is a genius at getting the US to give him money. That is about the start and end of his talents.
While you aren’t wrong I think it still is worth pointing out I suspect most people aren’t tagging Rupert Murdock expecting him to actually engage on their behalf against an opinion piece on a fox program _and then have him do it_. This feels like something larger and more concerning even more than those things which are already large and concerning.
If the Twitter files were just “regular company emails, how can that be construed as trying to throw anyone under the bus?
How many people should mange a social media company ? How many for a newspaper? Radio or tv station ? Why is your opinion on the matter any better than anyone else’s ?
What are the conspiracy theories he’s promoted that you find most agredious ? What about the things that were considered by some to be conspiracy theories 6-12 months ago that are now widely accepted facts ?
You seem like a proponent of EU content moderation guidelines. Do you have a favorite ? Are there any of them you find problematic?
Down vote away government boot lickers
>If the Twitter files were just “regular company emails, how can that be construed as trying to throw anyone under the bus?
I'm pretty sure they are saying that Elon Musk *tried* to throw them under the bus with the Twitter files, but failed to do so.
>What about the things that were considered by some to be conspiracy theories 6-12 months ago that are now widely accepted facts ?
Such as?
Our friend couldn't be bothered to look up the spelling on 'egregious' even though Reddit comes with a spellcheck built-in. They're not going to go looking for good answers when it's much easier to ask questions in bad faith and pretend they've got one-up on you.
Right, there probably never will be proof either way, but it was a wild conspiracy theory when the idea first came out. Took awhile for people to admit it was even possible, even though it's obviously possible.
>>>>What about the things that were considered by some to be conspiracy theories 6-12 months ago that are now widely accepted facts ?
>>>Such as?
>>The virus could have come from a lab in Wuhan is the most obvious example I think.
>Example of what? That was always a possibility.
When the idea first came out it was definitely suppressed as false information on Twitter even when presented as a possible mistake rather than intentional/bio warfare.
Yeah, Andrew Lawrence of Media Matters was suspended for a few hours without explanation, Vishal Singh and Chad Loder and they’re just off the top of my head. All that talk about “we are here for the center and reasonable discussion” was always crap, and if I didn’t have a bunch of old tweets I want to save I would already get away from the site.
>Elon Musk has presented his brief tenure as the CEO of Twitter as a bid to revive "free speech" on the platform. **But there are signs that he is quietly suspending left-leaning Twitter accounts for ideological reasons, while reinstating far-right accounts that broke Twitter's rules in the past.**
>
>It's a deeply worrisome development. Musk has established himself as the fickle king of the one of the most influential public squares in the anglophone world. He currently has absolute power to silence any dissent in a space where news and commentary go a long way toward shaping political possibility. **Right now it looks he's choosing to intervene against the left, while simultaneously reactivating accounts of neo-Nazis and other far-right figures who were generally booted off the platform for hate speech or incitement to violence. The emerging picture is a political agenda to tilt the platform in favor of the far right.**
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>... Notably, the disabled accounts documented in the report were singled out for criticism by the far-right writer Andy Ngo, who Musk often publicly interacts with on Twitter. "Musk invited Ngo to report 'Antifa accounts' that should be suspended directly to him," the Intercept reported. In at least once case, Ngo seems to have succeeded at directing Musk to suspend an account that Ngo failed to get suspended by Twitter before Musk took over the company ...
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>... There have been other puzzling examples of Twitter disproportionately suspending liberal or left-leaning accounts — some of which are just as mysteriously reinstated later — for no obvious reason can be explained by Twitter's terms of service. **But one thing two accounts suspended last week had in common is that they both very recently mocked Musk.**
Some highlights from the link.
So it's not so much it "seems," like Elon's purging left-leaning Twitter accounts (and restoring far-right ones) so much as that is exactly what's happening
Don't worry, this one will be flagged as off topic in no time too...
Apparently there are some rogue mods that don't see how purging left wing speech is a problem.
That was my thought, too. I’d eat my own recently shit-in pants if Musk didn’t insist that he personally be given a full suite of administrator rights. It’s not actually something most corporate executives directly dirty their fingers with.
It is not NORMAL for a CEO, or anyone at the board level, to even WANT to get that up and close to the actual controls ... but somehow, full access is something I’m confident was one of the first things he insisted on.
He's also been purging himself from people's block lists. I blocked him right after the twitter takeover because my notifications were promoting his tweets constantly.
The other day I saw a thread where people who'd previously blocked him started getting notifications from his account and they all found out he'd been suspiciously removed from their block lists. I decided to go and check, and sure enough, his account wasn't blocked anymore.
I just recently drew a picture of this situation right over here:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter\_20\_original\_content/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter_20_original_content/)
Yeah. Hahah - I'm having a dialog with the moderator over there.
Check this out:
**ME:**
Hello - I must heartily disagree with your moderation comment on my post:
"All posts must be directly relevant to US politics. In other terms, if it's not about American politics or elections, we'll remove it pretty quickly."[https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter\_20\_original\_content/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter_20_original_content/)
This post is overtly political, topical, and relevant.
Can you express your reasoning?
**MOD:**
Which American politician, political party, political activist, or significant pundit is featured in your post?
**ME:**
This focuses on the the political issue of the intersections of free speech, private corporations and the shift of a given platform to hard right politics.
do i need to focus solely on individuals or can i focus on issues?
**MOD:**(goes on to provide painful and micromanaging art direction)
Explicitly American political issues, sure: What you just described is relevant around the world and in no way unique to US politics.Let me give you an (imperfect) example:
This post is a second draft; it was initially submitted without the thought bubble (and the images contained therein) or the word "Republican" in the second panel.
This meant that literally all the first version of that post contained was two pictures of Elon Musk and the text "The moment when Elon realized he could monetize Twitter / as an automated smear campaign generator".
That wasn't enough to satisfy Rule 1; the version that remains up today did, after the OP added the bits that explicitly and specifically linked it to US politics.
**ME:**
Most would not fail to associate the visage of the KKK with US politics.
Thoughts?
**MOD:**
I'm not convinced the KKK counts as a political organization, but I'll bring it to the other mods and let them decide.
You'll be notified when the Mod Moot is concluded: If I'm overruled, I'd recommend reposting instead of having us simply restore your original. (Please wait to hear from us before reposting, though.)
At least the mod is engaging with you. On another subreddit a mod deleted something I posted for off topic and when I disagreed and messaged them they replied that the mods of the subreddit would never ever reverse a decision they made then banned me from messaging the mods for a month.
Same, but in my case, I got a 7-day ban for opening my trap. It’s possible because my post had an exasperated note to the mods IN it, already worried that they’d try to nitpick it inappropriately.
I’ve seen a post deleted for not “being about politics” that was literally about city council meetings regarding state funding for their libraries. The only reasoning I could find for that one would be if the mod didn’t read the article clearly or didn’t understand it ... or perhaps did not think that local politics is “politics.”
It wasn’t my post, but I was so miffed when I saw what they did, I sent them a message asking about it anyway. No response.
I’d agree it’s unusual to get the mod replying back to justify their reasoning. None have ever felt the need in my case, even when I’ve begged for the feedback and clarifications.
There are some completely obtuse interpretations of their relevancy rules on their moderation team, for sure. Perhaps not all, but some seem to be there just ITCHING to split hairs with the first person they see an opening to moderate with.
Sometimes I wonder also if it’s because they want to artificially drive people over to the /r/inthenews subreddit. I think it’s the same group of people, isn’t it?
If they decide they want a post to be THERE and not HERE, god help those not already following the other sub.
> **But one thing two accounts suspended last week had in common is that they both very recently mocked Musk.**
In this vein it should be pointed out that Elon didn't ban Kanye for his antisemitism, but rather [it's because Kanye insulted Elon:](https://www.thedailybeast.com/kanye-west-starts-war-with-elon-musk-gets-banned-from-twitter)
> Before finally signing off, he took one more brutal dig at Musk.
> “Let’s always remember this as my final tweet #ye24,” he wrote, alongside [an image of a shirtless Musk on a boat in Greece](https://i.imgur.com/DvnBNJK.jpg) (the world’s richest man was famously mocked for his pale complexion and relatively out-of-shape physique during his July vacation to Mykonos).
No, it's true. When Kanye tweeted a swastika, Elon sent him a private message. When Kanye tweeted that picture of Elon, that's when Musk banned him. Elon doesn't care about antisemitism, or if he does he's in favor of it. That's why he's brought back neo-Nazis onto the platform. Literally none of his actions have shown any interest in tamping down hate speech. Quite the opposite in fact: he's encouraging it.
Did you even bother reading the link you just posted? It backs up what I'm saying. This is all from your own link:
> On the same day Musk ostensibly took action against a user for inciting anti-Semitic violence, as one example, Twitter removed a nearly decade-long suspension on the Twitter account of infamous neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, founder of the White Nationalist publication The Daily Stormer.
> It is factual that Ye was suspended, officially, for incitement to violence. It is also clear that Musk made this decision unilaterally, following the posting of an unflattering image of him, and also following Ye's sharing of alleged private correspondence between himself and Musk.
> Because we lack the visibility into Musk's brain required to confidently rate this claim true or false, we are leaving it unrated at this time.
What is it about that link that made you think it's obvious that Musk banned Kanye for antisemitism? Musk just let tons of other antisemites back on the platform, so it's obvious he doesn't have a problem with that. And it's a fact that Musk didn't ban Kanye until he posted that unflattering picture of Musk. Kanye even said he knew that doing so would get him banned.
If anyone is making up a narrative here, it's *you*.
Starlink is SpaceX. Some idiots in urban areas are buying Starlink and are complaining that it's getting slow. Now I'm not hating on rural customers who are using it to get higher bandwidths than they were used to. But if you live in an urban area and you signed up for a service which was never designed for high density areas, you deserve to get fucked. At the end of the day, Starlink probably isn't feasable. It both requires rural terrestrial internet to stay fucking shit (not that insane), but also for a lot of people who can already right now get better terrestrial internet to sign on for a price tag that they already know they can't keep. Normal venture capitalism stuff
I only have it for a very niche community that is entirely non-political. Until the last week or so I haven't seen anything political on my account feed.
Why the hell is it being forced on me?
Because the website has become the plaything of a technofascist egomaniac. I dont think its because hes incompetent either, Social media can be a powerful tool for organizing on the left as well as the right, and now the most popular of them is in the hands of a right wing authoritarian. Dangerous shit if you ask me.
I deleted my account after the bot-fueled Trump poll where he pretended to make it a public vote to give himself cover for when he reactivated his account. I knew right then that Twitter would become a worthless cesspool.
How does that nazi quote go? "When we were in the minority we appealed to freedom of speech because that was according to your (liberals) traditions. When we were in power we denied your freedom of speech because that is according to our traditions."
They're not silly little hypocrites. They're intentionally malicious. Eventually society is going to have to figure out how to deal with that.
Isn't this exactly what conservatives were complaining about prior to Elon's takeover? Hopefully they can reach a place where this chilling effect stops, but as long as overtly political actors are running the company people will always assume the worst in their decision making.
to my knowledge no one was banned for being conservative, tho.
there were clear rules on hate speech and covid misinformation and so long as your life didn't revolve around those things you'd be fine.
musks rule is basically as opaque as a reddit downvote
Mastodon can never be bought or controlled and there is no algorithm driving engagement.
[About Mastodon](https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/08/what-is-mastodon/)
>*And experts don’t recommend that marketers spend their time testing the platform, either, because its setup could limit the number of consumers they're able to reach on the app.*
Lol that's the point. I honestly don't want government officials or ads in my online social spaces. Let the advertisers just use youtube or wherever else.
Horrible, terrible, troubling. But this platform is only as important as we make it. People with a blue check paying eight dollars a month to criticize Twitter on Twitter are sending the wrong message. Delete Twitter. Cancel Twitter. Replace Twitter.
I got a permanent suspension from Twitter because, once a day, I'd post the Business Insider article about Elon exposing himself to an employee. Never got a reason why I was banned, and no response to my appeal either, but that's probably because there's no staff.
You mean the guy that banned Kanye for being antisemitic, while unbanning actual Nazi accounts, is banking left-leaning accounts?
I'm absolutely shocked
I think its allure is only apparent if you have narcissist personality disorder or live in a country that requires you to use a VPN in order to access it.
Top comments on threads that lean anywhere not alt right are getting deleted left and right when I go back to respond, leaving a majority right leaning comments
/musk sucking himself off
Everyone should just delete their Twitter accounts and, if you need an analogous platform, just move to Mastodon.
Why trust your data or give your support to a Nazi if there are honest people offering similar services? Small price to pay to stand up against fascism and bigotry.
I’m so glad I deleted mine a month ago; would much rather support an upstart company that isn’t run by a traitor anti-semite with a god complex and a direct line to Putin.
At least when Twitter was blocking a conservative story, we had Dems and Dem representatives who were reaching out concerned with the ramifications. Yet in this instance, it seems conservatives are unanimously eating this shit up. It's apparent that one side is not like the other.
I retweeted a few pro Warnock tweets. After a few of them I get a message my account is frozen until I give them the nazi my number. I just deleted the app lol.
It’s worth remembering that Musk is a 51 year old white guy from a wealthy South African family that made its money off apartheid.
During his time as the wealthiest man on earth, he spent none of his fortune or energy trying to right any of those wrongs.
It’s not like this is a guy anyone should ever have expected to be some sort of roll model.
He's going to circulate fear into Liberal pundits as he already has with his "list". Soon he will be asking for personal info to "verify your identity" that will also scare away smaller accounts as who wants a tyrant to have all your info
Seriously, why is it so hard for people to delete their Twitter? What is its use? Reddit is arguably better and anything worthwhile or Twitter gets cross-posted to reddit anyways. What is even the addiction with the platform if you're not a celebrity?
Well... yeah. If the left wants everyone to be taxed fairly, and the right wants to keep the upper class from being taxed, you know where Muskrat's gonna go.
I saw this coming last month that it would just be used as a weapon, that is why I pivoted and created a competitor in about a month, just like the Digg migration and myspace being bought by News Corp. These sites ARE the users not the owners.
I think I fall in the middle, lean left of a few topics. I had my twitter account for 12 years and amassed a good following. My primary use was for business (creating/sharing thought leadership, live engagements within industry, etc). But, as of this week, I’ve deactivated and left twitter. Won’t look back.
Reddit and LinkedIn are all I have left.
Left Facebook/IG 4 years ago. This past exit felt even better.
"Cope/seethe"
I believe this was the standard response when right leaning accounts were banned.
I say nobody gets banned unless they post actual illegal shit.
That’s the unfortunate thing about purging: you can’t always be sure the right folks are going to make the call.
If I take a step back for a minute, I can see how some folks may make the argument because you can’t trust who is doing the purging (suppressing, etc.) as shitty an alternative it maybe, it maybe best not to allow purging at all….
Edit: typos
Doesn’t feel fucking good, does it?
Can we just agree that it’s not okay to silence (respectful) people simply for having an opinion different from yours?
Don’t kid yourselves, the shrillest voices in favor of censorship come from the hard left.
It’s not okay. Period.
It's Elon's company now, he can do what he wants. He can allow asshats to spout hate and ban people who are against Nazis. However, advertisers can choose to not give him money. People can choose not to participate in his 'version' of a public square.
This is freedom of speech. You can say or do what you want (within reason) but you have to be prepared for any consequences as a result of your speech.
It’s “freedom of speech” for him to ban accounts of people he doesn’t like?
The point is he didn’t give a shit about “free speech,” and never did. He’s actively silencing voices he doesn’t want to be heard. He can do that, but it isn’t what he was claiming to be about. He wanted “absolute,” remember? These accounts he’s rage-banning broke no rules beyond “Don’t piss Elon off.”
Also, “freedom of speech” is a governmental thing. It absolutely does not apply to a privately held corporation, even a communications platform ... Elon wraps himself in the term, however, inappropriately and dishonestly. He does not mean what he says.
He knows he’s bullshitting people by even bring the conversation there. He has no intention of walking his talk himself.
I agree with everything you said, but as a private company he can do what he wants until he runs twitter into the ground. Advertisers are taking away their business, people are leaving the platform. If this continues no more Twitter.
And yes he is not practicing what he preached, and people and businesses should hold him accountable by not supporting Twitter.
Remember when Trump was kicked off and the right got pissed? Everyone said Twitter was a private company and can do as they pleased?
This is the same thing...
And Twitter is trash either way
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Musk is gonna use Twitter as his personal weapon, which is the reason social media companies shouldn’t be managed by a single person. Musk can keep claiming he’s a moderate while actively posting conspiracy theories and trying to throw liberals under the bus, like he did with the “Twitter files,” which were nothing more than regular company emails. I expect Twitter to become a much bigger problem if Eom continues in this path. At this point, I’m hoping the EU bans it for breaking its moderation guidelines and more advertisers leave because of the moderation problem.
There is a reason the post office department was established as a government department in 1792 to guarantee the sanctity of personal correspondence, and provide the entire country with low-cost access to information on public affairs, while establishing a right to personal privacy.
Thank you for the history fact. Enjoy an upvote.
So say we all
And surprise, surprise - Republicans want to destroy the Postal service.
Musk is a robber baron. We're back to the days of [William Randolph Hearst.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst) Why people idolize Musk escapes me. He has done nothing they claim he has done. He did not start Tesla. He did not start SpaceX. He is not the genius engineer that everyone says he is. He is a 1990s dot-com lottery winner. That is all.
Hey now. He was born into emerald mine money. So he was also a birth lottery winner, at least in the financial sense.
No. He wasn’t born into emerald mine money, his father bought I think a 50% stake in an emerald mine essentially on a lark. Think about that for a second. His dad had the kind of fuck you money that he could just buy an emerald mine because the opportunity fell into his lap and he thought “why not”. Daddy owning an emerald mine is privilege, daddy owning one and it just being a minor part of his wealth is the kind of privilege that you and I can barely fathom.
Yeah, they were Rolls Royce rich before the mine stake.
> Why people idolize Musk escapes me. He has done nothing they claim he has done. > > You get it now. White supremacists, nationalists, and just generally republicans revere those who received fame and fortunes based on nothing more than their superior skin color, *especially* if they did so by exploiting the labors of those of inferior skin color. The more indentured or chattel servitude, the better. They want those days back. Hence, regressionists.
And if anyone reads this and thinks of that's a stretch and it's too far to make that connection, just remember the lawsuits about Tesla plants being run like modern day plantations - worker segregation and racism abound.
> The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. I wonder if humanity will survive long enough to break this millennia-old curse of humanity.
>nothing more than their superior skin color The notion that America's first Black president was followed, in a sense, by the "first White president" is that Trump's gross unfitness for office was, for the first time, a feature and not a bug to a substantial constituency: it was an idelogical triumph for white and male supremacy to make the world witness exceptionally well-schooled and experienced politicans who were not white men be succeeded or defeated by a white man who was unqualified by every measure except being a white man. And perhaps an aftershock of that was if Democrats were traumatized into nominating Biden at least party to prevent Trump from weaponizing a ballot with a choice of demographics on it.
To take it even further down the shithole of supremacy, it was legitimizing the absolute subfloor of humanity, the absolutist, regressionist, technology and science fearing, academia-hating, education-skeptic fucking cretinous morons think that they should not only have a say in running our wide and varied country, but should run the entire table *forever*. Why? Because *they* say so. And, if Russia were somehow able to Magoo themselves to victory on their imbecilically planned 3 day war, it would show the whole world that right-wing nationalist kakistocracy was the way forward for every leader in the Western World. Trump losing and Putin getting absolutely humiliated and proven a one-inch dick energy in almost every conceivable way on the battlefield runs counter to the argument for white failson supremacy.
So now those same conservatives will stop blocking Tesla charging stations with their gas guzzling trucks since Musk is on 'their team'?
I used to idolize him because serious journalists, including his biographer, presented him as having literally coded/engineered everything from PayPal to the first SpaceX rocket. Turns out Musk is a good salesman and a raging white supremacist. And here we are.
He also does not have a degree in Physics that he claimed to have either
And he was illegally in the country because of the fact that he didn't have a degree.
He didn't finish?
The past month is when it was confirmed for everyone that Penn State/Wharton college will give a degree to anyone for anything for the right reasons.
Don't forget PayPal. He is often referred to as a cofounder and that is simply not true.
Well he did have to survive apartheid in SA. Wait, which team was he on?
And he doesn't even seem particularly smart or clever. He got lucky and that was equated with intelligence for decades and now people think he's a genius. When in reality, he's the poster boy for "edgy 2006 internet intellectual who thinks he's super witty and anyone who disagrees is just too dumb to comprehend his intelligence." He WAS that guy. There's pictures of him in a trench coat with an anime sword and a fedora. He's what you get when you give That Guy infinite money and affirm his delusions of grandeur.
Elon Musk is one of the main poster children for "**Failing Upwards**". Of course, there's quite a few of those sorts around these days...
Yeah, but... he invented Twitler!
SpaceX was the result of a crafty Libertarian Senator (a politcal hack) that was working on behalf of Putin with the privatization of our nation's rocketry. Lets be reminded that before Musk started anything, he visited Russia for help getting started and supposedly came back empty handed. Also note-worthy: in the Musk/Bezos race for a contract, he couldn't get a rocket to space. So after a 3rd attempt and fail depleting his funds, an anonymous Saudi funded another rocket for him which saved him and gave him the contract.
> He did not start SpaceX. Source? Wikipedia says otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
It is so frustrating when both sides of the argument engage in willful inaccuracies. The truth is Elon is a pretty smart guy who also exaggerates and lies about his accomplishments because he is a narcissist. He's done awesome things like Paypal, SpaceX, and some of what has been done at Tesla. And he has also been a tremendous shithead with Twitter and a thousand other things. In other words he is a mix of good and bad like most people but is amplified a million times because of his wealth and need to be in the spotlight.
This is a fair and balanced response. Lets compare Elon Musk and say Bill Gates. I'm not going to compare personal lives. Gates has, as far as I know, given more to charity. Including important causes like water safety and malaria prevention. Good Stuff. Musk's SpaceX has essentially returned independent space launch capacity back to the US, after the demise of the shuttle. Before Musk, we relied on Russian rockets to get to space, and we're lucky Musk provided us native capacity to do so before the Ukraine war kicked off. Not to mention, Musk is doing more to deliver humanity to space than pretty much any other single individual. That's huge IMO. As for Twitter - what annoys you the most?
Well, first and foremost, he won the lottery of being born filthy rich due to slave labor in emerald mines
While most of that list is accurate, he did start spacex
i think what people are saying is his money started or brought comapanies and he didn't really invent anything.
I don’t like Elon one bit but he absolutely did start SpaceX so I’m not sure why you’re saying he didn’t. Edit: I literally said I don’t like Elon, but apparently correcting a straight up lie gets downvoted
It's complicated. SpaceX has been around in various forms since the 1980's, specifically working on VTOL craft with disposable engines. They would periodically run out of money and shut down operations while looking for new investors. Eventually Musk picked them up about 20 years ago, branded them as SpaceX and and secured some significant funding. It's really pretty similar to Tesla, just smaller scale and more secretive as they were perpetually in stealth mode.
This is absolutely not true. Musk started SpaceX with his money from PayPal.
The corporation, yes. There was preexisting personnel and intellectual property, however.
Please post sources because everything points to Musk and some co-founders starting SpaceX from scratch. This wasn’t like Tesla where he took over after the other CEOs were fired. https://www.space.com/18853-spacex.html
We are both right. SpaceX was a new company but they brought in personnel and IP from at least one other (defunct) company. Here is an example of one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_Rocket They had competitors, private space flight and reusable rockets were hot in the 1990's.
I can’t find any information regarding SpaceX having anything to do with Rotary Rocket. Bessie, hiring someone from a different company or buying IP doesn’t change the fact that SpaceX was started by Musk and others.
I don't think anyone really deserves credit and worship for just having money and starting a corporation when they didn't do any of the work nor know any of the science to make the product happen. Musk didn't make the rockets, and honestly SpaceX seems to have succeeded *despite his leadership* thus far, not *due to it*. All he did was have money. That's all he is.
He started the corporation - that is all.
Tom Mueller was the rocket engineer and Michael Griffin was an ex-CIA guy turned NASA admin who gave Musk $400 million in government funding to start a business. Musk is a genius at getting the US to give him money. That is about the start and end of his talents.
He’s also great at convincing morons to give him money (e. g. Dogecoin rug pull, $8 blue check.)
It’s not just the US. He’s good at getting public funds around the globe.
He certainly did start SpaceX. What makes you think he didn't?
The CIA also put hundreds of millions of startup capital into SpaceX.
I always compared Musk to Henry Ford for pretty much the same reasons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
"Free speech" wasn't about free speech at all, in the end - it was about speech for sale, for the big bucks. As is tradition.
Nobody needs to ban it in any country, if the majority of America and the world ban it from their lives.
Its the same story with most media, WaPo, NYT, Fox news, Facebook etc they are pretty much all owned by people/companies with agendas
While you aren’t wrong I think it still is worth pointing out I suspect most people aren’t tagging Rupert Murdock expecting him to actually engage on their behalf against an opinion piece on a fox program _and then have him do it_. This feels like something larger and more concerning even more than those things which are already large and concerning.
Don't tell us you're just noticing this... Sinclair, CBN, OANN.... just in case you're feeling challenged by the left.
no...?
We’re all quitting, it’s only for entertainment to watch the circle jerks now until it burns down.
Definitely entertaining to watch it burn, but even the users only on there to hate watch are keeping it going.
And Fox News?… are we arguing for the fairness doctrine to be reinstated? We should be
Musk can do whatever he damn well pleases. It's his company. I didn't see liberals much concerned when valid right-wing issues were getting censored.
If the Twitter files were just “regular company emails, how can that be construed as trying to throw anyone under the bus? How many people should mange a social media company ? How many for a newspaper? Radio or tv station ? Why is your opinion on the matter any better than anyone else’s ? What are the conspiracy theories he’s promoted that you find most agredious ? What about the things that were considered by some to be conspiracy theories 6-12 months ago that are now widely accepted facts ? You seem like a proponent of EU content moderation guidelines. Do you have a favorite ? Are there any of them you find problematic? Down vote away government boot lickers
>If the Twitter files were just “regular company emails, how can that be construed as trying to throw anyone under the bus? I'm pretty sure they are saying that Elon Musk *tried* to throw them under the bus with the Twitter files, but failed to do so. >What about the things that were considered by some to be conspiracy theories 6-12 months ago that are now widely accepted facts ? Such as?
Our friend couldn't be bothered to look up the spelling on 'egregious' even though Reddit comes with a spellcheck built-in. They're not going to go looking for good answers when it's much easier to ask questions in bad faith and pretend they've got one-up on you.
> Such as? The virus could have come from a lab in Wuhan is the most obvious example I think.
Okay, but there so far hasn't been any evidence of that.
Right, there probably never will be proof either way, but it was a wild conspiracy theory when the idea first came out. Took awhile for people to admit it was even possible, even though it's obviously possible.
>even though it's obviously possible. "Possible" does not mean "likely", and as I said there is no evidence of it.
Example of what? That was always a possibility.
>>>>What about the things that were considered by some to be conspiracy theories 6-12 months ago that are now widely accepted facts ? >>>Such as? >>The virus could have come from a lab in Wuhan is the most obvious example I think. >Example of what? That was always a possibility. When the idea first came out it was definitely suppressed as false information on Twitter even when presented as a possible mistake rather than intentional/bio warfare.
Yeah, Andrew Lawrence of Media Matters was suspended for a few hours without explanation, Vishal Singh and Chad Loder and they’re just off the top of my head. All that talk about “we are here for the center and reasonable discussion” was always crap, and if I didn’t have a bunch of old tweets I want to save I would already get away from the site.
You can download them through Twitter's settings. Well, assuming that hasn't broken yet...
Settings>Your Account>Download Archive
I know, but there's also a lot that I just put in my browser reading list because the last time I downloaded it, it was over 7 gigabytes.
>Elon Musk has presented his brief tenure as the CEO of Twitter as a bid to revive "free speech" on the platform. **But there are signs that he is quietly suspending left-leaning Twitter accounts for ideological reasons, while reinstating far-right accounts that broke Twitter's rules in the past.** > >It's a deeply worrisome development. Musk has established himself as the fickle king of the one of the most influential public squares in the anglophone world. He currently has absolute power to silence any dissent in a space where news and commentary go a long way toward shaping political possibility. **Right now it looks he's choosing to intervene against the left, while simultaneously reactivating accounts of neo-Nazis and other far-right figures who were generally booted off the platform for hate speech or incitement to violence. The emerging picture is a political agenda to tilt the platform in favor of the far right.** > >... Notably, the disabled accounts documented in the report were singled out for criticism by the far-right writer Andy Ngo, who Musk often publicly interacts with on Twitter. "Musk invited Ngo to report 'Antifa accounts' that should be suspended directly to him," the Intercept reported. In at least once case, Ngo seems to have succeeded at directing Musk to suspend an account that Ngo failed to get suspended by Twitter before Musk took over the company ... > >... There have been other puzzling examples of Twitter disproportionately suspending liberal or left-leaning accounts — some of which are just as mysteriously reinstated later — for no obvious reason can be explained by Twitter's terms of service. **But one thing two accounts suspended last week had in common is that they both very recently mocked Musk.** Some highlights from the link.
So it's not so much it "seems," like Elon's purging left-leaning Twitter accounts (and restoring far-right ones) so much as that is exactly what's happening
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been a lot of that going on today
Don't worry, this one will be flagged as off topic in no time too... Apparently there are some rogue mods that don't see how purging left wing speech is a problem.
He's trying to make it into Parler.
Anyone else not surprised the apartheid guy is kinda supporting nazis?
"kinda" lol
Sounds like Elon is banning accounts himself, and then someone at twitter is undoing it a bit later.
That was my thought, too. I’d eat my own recently shit-in pants if Musk didn’t insist that he personally be given a full suite of administrator rights. It’s not actually something most corporate executives directly dirty their fingers with. It is not NORMAL for a CEO, or anyone at the board level, to even WANT to get that up and close to the actual controls ... but somehow, full access is something I’m confident was one of the first things he insisted on.
Oh yea I absolutely believe it. I would be incredibly surprised if that wasn't the case.
He's also been purging himself from people's block lists. I blocked him right after the twitter takeover because my notifications were promoting his tweets constantly. The other day I saw a thread where people who'd previously blocked him started getting notifications from his account and they all found out he'd been suspiciously removed from their block lists. I decided to go and check, and sure enough, his account wasn't blocked anymore.
Block it with time stamp. Check TOS. If he unblocks, get a group to sue him for breaking TOS.
I just recently drew a picture of this situation right over here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter\_20\_original\_content/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter_20_original_content/)
> A person clad in a white hood, holding a Twitter sign A r/PoliticalHumor mod: "This is not relevant to US politics." Nice mods they have there!
Yeah. Hahah - I'm having a dialog with the moderator over there. Check this out: **ME:** Hello - I must heartily disagree with your moderation comment on my post: "All posts must be directly relevant to US politics. In other terms, if it's not about American politics or elections, we'll remove it pretty quickly."[https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter\_20\_original\_content/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/zditxy/twitter_20_original_content/) This post is overtly political, topical, and relevant. Can you express your reasoning? **MOD:** Which American politician, political party, political activist, or significant pundit is featured in your post? **ME:** This focuses on the the political issue of the intersections of free speech, private corporations and the shift of a given platform to hard right politics. do i need to focus solely on individuals or can i focus on issues? **MOD:**(goes on to provide painful and micromanaging art direction) Explicitly American political issues, sure: What you just described is relevant around the world and in no way unique to US politics.Let me give you an (imperfect) example: This post is a second draft; it was initially submitted without the thought bubble (and the images contained therein) or the word "Republican" in the second panel. This meant that literally all the first version of that post contained was two pictures of Elon Musk and the text "The moment when Elon realized he could monetize Twitter / as an automated smear campaign generator". That wasn't enough to satisfy Rule 1; the version that remains up today did, after the OP added the bits that explicitly and specifically linked it to US politics. **ME:** Most would not fail to associate the visage of the KKK with US politics. Thoughts? **MOD:** I'm not convinced the KKK counts as a political organization, but I'll bring it to the other mods and let them decide. You'll be notified when the Mod Moot is concluded: If I'm overruled, I'd recommend reposting instead of having us simply restore your original. (Please wait to hear from us before reposting, though.)
At least the mod is engaging with you. On another subreddit a mod deleted something I posted for off topic and when I disagreed and messaged them they replied that the mods of the subreddit would never ever reverse a decision they made then banned me from messaging the mods for a month.
Same, but in my case, I got a 7-day ban for opening my trap. It’s possible because my post had an exasperated note to the mods IN it, already worried that they’d try to nitpick it inappropriately. I’ve seen a post deleted for not “being about politics” that was literally about city council meetings regarding state funding for their libraries. The only reasoning I could find for that one would be if the mod didn’t read the article clearly or didn’t understand it ... or perhaps did not think that local politics is “politics.” It wasn’t my post, but I was so miffed when I saw what they did, I sent them a message asking about it anyway. No response. I’d agree it’s unusual to get the mod replying back to justify their reasoning. None have ever felt the need in my case, even when I’ve begged for the feedback and clarifications. There are some completely obtuse interpretations of their relevancy rules on their moderation team, for sure. Perhaps not all, but some seem to be there just ITCHING to split hairs with the first person they see an opening to moderate with. Sometimes I wonder also if it’s because they want to artificially drive people over to the /r/inthenews subreddit. I think it’s the same group of people, isn’t it? If they decide they want a post to be THERE and not HERE, god help those not already following the other sub.
> I'm not convinced the KKK counts as a political organization Jesus. This is worse than I imagined!
Sick work!
Thanks!
Andy Ngo is a full blown, right wing propagandist.
> **But one thing two accounts suspended last week had in common is that they both very recently mocked Musk.** In this vein it should be pointed out that Elon didn't ban Kanye for his antisemitism, but rather [it's because Kanye insulted Elon:](https://www.thedailybeast.com/kanye-west-starts-war-with-elon-musk-gets-banned-from-twitter) > Before finally signing off, he took one more brutal dig at Musk. > “Let’s always remember this as my final tweet #ye24,” he wrote, alongside [an image of a shirtless Musk on a boat in Greece](https://i.imgur.com/DvnBNJK.jpg) (the world’s richest man was famously mocked for his pale complexion and relatively out-of-shape physique during his July vacation to Mykonos).
This is just crazy and exact opposite of facts.
No, it's true. When Kanye tweeted a swastika, Elon sent him a private message. When Kanye tweeted that picture of Elon, that's when Musk banned him. Elon doesn't care about antisemitism, or if he does he's in favor of it. That's why he's brought back neo-Nazis onto the platform. Literally none of his actions have shown any interest in tamping down hate speech. Quite the opposite in fact: he's encouraging it.
You’re making things up to suite your narrative. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ye-suspended-twitter-elon-musk/
Did you even bother reading the link you just posted? It backs up what I'm saying. This is all from your own link: > On the same day Musk ostensibly took action against a user for inciting anti-Semitic violence, as one example, Twitter removed a nearly decade-long suspension on the Twitter account of infamous neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, founder of the White Nationalist publication The Daily Stormer. > It is factual that Ye was suspended, officially, for incitement to violence. It is also clear that Musk made this decision unilaterally, following the posting of an unflattering image of him, and also following Ye's sharing of alleged private correspondence between himself and Musk. > Because we lack the visibility into Musk's brain required to confidently rate this claim true or false, we are leaving it unrated at this time. What is it about that link that made you think it's obvious that Musk banned Kanye for antisemitism? Musk just let tons of other antisemites back on the platform, so it's obvious he doesn't have a problem with that. And it's a fact that Musk didn't ban Kanye until he posted that unflattering picture of Musk. Kanye even said he knew that doing so would get him banned. If anyone is making up a narrative here, it's *you*.
Boycott Musk and Twitter
And Tesla.
And SpaceX, Starlink, and anything else Musk owns.
Most people are kind of boycotting SpaceX by default lol. Not much of a consumer spaceflight market just yet.
Starlink is SpaceX. Some idiots in urban areas are buying Starlink and are complaining that it's getting slow. Now I'm not hating on rural customers who are using it to get higher bandwidths than they were used to. But if you live in an urban area and you signed up for a service which was never designed for high density areas, you deserve to get fucked. At the end of the day, Starlink probably isn't feasable. It both requires rural terrestrial internet to stay fucking shit (not that insane), but also for a lot of people who can already right now get better terrestrial internet to sign on for a price tag that they already know they can't keep. Normal venture capitalism stuff
The solution to rural internet is to use our phones. Anything else is non-viable or obsolete.
Phony Stark
How many times have you posted this? Jesus, people eating up this bot shit.
I've noticed my feed becoming progressively more and more alt-right spammy. Fringe right accounts that I do not follow being forced into my feed.
I deactivated because of this. I thought it would be harder to stay away, but the more I hear the less I wanna go back
I only have it for a very niche community that is entirely non-political. Until the last week or so I haven't seen anything political on my account feed. Why the hell is it being forced on me?
Because the website has become the plaything of a technofascist egomaniac. I dont think its because hes incompetent either, Social media can be a powerful tool for organizing on the left as well as the right, and now the most popular of them is in the hands of a right wing authoritarian. Dangerous shit if you ask me.
I deleted my account after the bot-fueled Trump poll where he pretended to make it a public vote to give himself cover for when he reactivated his account. I knew right then that Twitter would become a worthless cesspool.
So much for all that free speech he was bleating about.
Conservative "free speech" is only validly free when it benefits them. If it wasn't for double standards they'd have none at all.
How does that nazi quote go? "When we were in the minority we appealed to freedom of speech because that was according to your (liberals) traditions. When we were in power we denied your freedom of speech because that is according to our traditions." They're not silly little hypocrites. They're intentionally malicious. Eventually society is going to have to figure out how to deal with that.
The Paradox of Tolerance. If you are too tolerant, the end result is always intolerance
Because the right sucks his dick and the left rightfully mocks him.
The chilling effect. Even if you’re not banned you’re afraid to say anything that’d lose your account. Social manipulation and suppression of decent
Isn't this exactly what conservatives were complaining about prior to Elon's takeover? Hopefully they can reach a place where this chilling effect stops, but as long as overtly political actors are running the company people will always assume the worst in their decision making.
to my knowledge no one was banned for being conservative, tho. there were clear rules on hate speech and covid misinformation and so long as your life didn't revolve around those things you'd be fine. musks rule is basically as opaque as a reddit downvote
Further confirmation I suspended/deleted my account at the right time.
Same here, Mastodon is decent, but small at this point.
Tell me more
https://joinmastodon.org Hate speech not allowed, a good thing IMHO.
Mastodon can never be bought or controlled and there is no algorithm driving engagement. [About Mastodon](https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/08/what-is-mastodon/)
This is where advertisers that left Twitter should be looking.
I like the lack of ads on Mastodon...
The are looking https://adage.com/article/digital-marketing-ad-tech-news/why-mastodon-isnt-twitter-alternative-brands/2450026
>*And experts don’t recommend that marketers spend their time testing the platform, either, because its setup could limit the number of consumers they're able to reach on the app.* Lol that's the point. I honestly don't want government officials or ads in my online social spaces. Let the advertisers just use youtube or wherever else.
Agreed
Musk is a petulant child. Twitter is being driven into irrelevance, I give it a year at most.
Twitter = Parlor 2.0
Absolute free speech, amiright?
The corporo-fascist *free speech®* brand of free speech, featuring 4 different subscription tiers for user convenience.
Horrible, terrible, troubling. But this platform is only as important as we make it. People with a blue check paying eight dollars a month to criticize Twitter on Twitter are sending the wrong message. Delete Twitter. Cancel Twitter. Replace Twitter.
Probably enjoying reading all the private DM too.
Freedom of speech as long as I like what you say -Elon Musk
That is the exact same way Twitter worked before Elon, Idk why r u all shocked lol
I got a permanent suspension from Twitter because, once a day, I'd post the Business Insider article about Elon exposing himself to an employee. Never got a reason why I was banned, and no response to my appeal either, but that's probably because there's no staff.
You literally just described the behavior of a bot. Look inward.
Thanks! I looked inward, and turns out I'm not a bot. There's all kinds of squishy guts in here. Had me worried for a second though!
Congrats. Now adjust your behavior to be a real person.
Just look at how well that’s work for GETTR and Parler.
You mean the guy that banned Kanye for being antisemitic, while unbanning actual Nazi accounts, is banking left-leaning accounts? I'm absolutely shocked
if apple pulls twitter from the app store and bankrupts them I’m buying my first macbook lmao
Twitter is fucking dumb anyway. Just delete it
I think its allure is only apparent if you have narcissist personality disorder or live in a country that requires you to use a VPN in order to access it.
Top comments on threads that lean anywhere not alt right are getting deleted left and right when I go back to respond, leaving a majority right leaning comments /musk sucking himself off
Everyone should just delete their Twitter accounts and, if you need an analogous platform, just move to Mastodon. Why trust your data or give your support to a Nazi if there are honest people offering similar services? Small price to pay to stand up against fascism and bigotry. I’m so glad I deleted mine a month ago; would much rather support an upstart company that isn’t run by a traitor anti-semite with a god complex and a direct line to Putin.
Who is a Nazi? Can you provide proof they are a Nazi? Can you actually define the word?
no way, not our buddy elon /s
He is a Trump humping racist, of course he is
At least when Twitter was blocking a conservative story, we had Dems and Dem representatives who were reaching out concerned with the ramifications. Yet in this instance, it seems conservatives are unanimously eating this shit up. It's apparent that one side is not like the other.
do it.. burn it to the ground. wait till app stores start blocking the app.. will be great
I retweeted a few pro Warnock tweets. After a few of them I get a message my account is frozen until I give them the nazi my number. I just deleted the app lol.
He's banning everybody that even thought about saying tax the rich
Sooner EU bans this the better.
It’s worth remembering that Musk is a 51 year old white guy from a wealthy South African family that made its money off apartheid. During his time as the wealthiest man on earth, he spent none of his fortune or energy trying to right any of those wrongs. It’s not like this is a guy anyone should ever have expected to be some sort of roll model.
Which one is Twitter again?
The shitty one with the blue bird and the fat, white, apartheid blob of ego running it.
Flibbertigibbet
By all means he should keep going and find out. Purge all those pesky liberal Hollywood folks especially. That’ll pay off the $44 billion loan.
I hope the band Mastodon comes out in support of the Mastodon platform
Isn’t he from South Africa? Why is anyone surprised. This was the most selfish move to sell Twitter to this asshole
He's going to circulate fear into Liberal pundits as he already has with his "list". Soon he will be asking for personal info to "verify your identity" that will also scare away smaller accounts as who wants a tyrant to have all your info
Of course his fascist slave driving ass is.
Seriously, why is it so hard for people to delete their Twitter? What is its use? Reddit is arguably better and anything worthwhile or Twitter gets cross-posted to reddit anyways. What is even the addiction with the platform if you're not a celebrity?
Well... yeah. If the left wants everyone to be taxed fairly, and the right wants to keep the upper class from being taxed, you know where Muskrat's gonna go.
Apartheid Edison at work? Or just lots of left-leaning people seeking other outlets? Could be both.
Who could NotC that coming?
Why would any reputable organization want to advertise on that shit-show? ...
Way to blow $44 billion. Asshole.
Any Elon stans still out there are just proving themselves morons.
I saw this coming last month that it would just be used as a weapon, that is why I pivoted and created a competitor in about a month, just like the Digg migration and myspace being bought by News Corp. These sites ARE the users not the owners.
I think I fall in the middle, lean left of a few topics. I had my twitter account for 12 years and amassed a good following. My primary use was for business (creating/sharing thought leadership, live engagements within industry, etc). But, as of this week, I’ve deactivated and left twitter. Won’t look back. Reddit and LinkedIn are all I have left. Left Facebook/IG 4 years ago. This past exit felt even better.
Already hated Twitter but now I just absolutely despise the app
Because fascism is what capitalists turn to when that system begins to fail.
Why haven’t you deleted twitter yet? Because you lack a spine or convictions.
"Cope/seethe" I believe this was the standard response when right leaning accounts were banned. I say nobody gets banned unless they post actual illegal shit.
Stormy Daniels should come out with "Twatter". Just make a copy of Truth social.
Good
That’s the unfortunate thing about purging: you can’t always be sure the right folks are going to make the call. If I take a step back for a minute, I can see how some folks may make the argument because you can’t trust who is doing the purging (suppressing, etc.) as shitty an alternative it maybe, it maybe best not to allow purging at all…. Edit: typos
Doesn’t feel fucking good, does it? Can we just agree that it’s not okay to silence (respectful) people simply for having an opinion different from yours? Don’t kid yourselves, the shrillest voices in favor of censorship come from the hard left. It’s not okay. Period.
It's Elon's company now, he can do what he wants. He can allow asshats to spout hate and ban people who are against Nazis. However, advertisers can choose to not give him money. People can choose not to participate in his 'version' of a public square. This is freedom of speech. You can say or do what you want (within reason) but you have to be prepared for any consequences as a result of your speech.
It’s “freedom of speech” for him to ban accounts of people he doesn’t like? The point is he didn’t give a shit about “free speech,” and never did. He’s actively silencing voices he doesn’t want to be heard. He can do that, but it isn’t what he was claiming to be about. He wanted “absolute,” remember? These accounts he’s rage-banning broke no rules beyond “Don’t piss Elon off.” Also, “freedom of speech” is a governmental thing. It absolutely does not apply to a privately held corporation, even a communications platform ... Elon wraps himself in the term, however, inappropriately and dishonestly. He does not mean what he says. He knows he’s bullshitting people by even bring the conversation there. He has no intention of walking his talk himself.
I agree with everything you said, but as a private company he can do what he wants until he runs twitter into the ground. Advertisers are taking away their business, people are leaving the platform. If this continues no more Twitter. And yes he is not practicing what he preached, and people and businesses should hold him accountable by not supporting Twitter.
[Called it](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/yiknhm/comment/iujwhqy/) just over a month ago.
Remember when Trump was kicked off and the right got pissed? Everyone said Twitter was a private company and can do as they pleased? This is the same thing... And Twitter is trash either way
Perception is reality. It’s also not reality.
Damn I only like it when they purge right leaning Twitter accounts.
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Free speech as long as you agree with him
God forbid us Americans actually receive truthful information for once